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52. UFO UAP and Non Human Intelligence
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In this week’s episode, we discuss UFO, UAP, the Phenomenon, whatever you'd like to refer to it as. Joe goes deep on this topic, and had a wealth of information to provide for us in this episode. This topic has an immense stigma surrounding it, and we try to shed some light on the current facts as we know them, and some wild speculation on what it might mean for humanity and beyond.
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Introduction and UFO Topic Overview
00:00:00
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Hello and welcome to Pursuit of Infinity. In this week's episode we discuss UFO, UAP, the phenomenon, whatever you'd like to refer to it as. Joe goes so deep on this topic and had a wealth of information to provide us in this episode. This topic unfortunately has an immense stigma surrounding it and we try to shed some light on the current facts as we know them and also some wild speculation on what it might mean for humanity and beyond.
00:00:26
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Upon releasing this episode, there was some big news on the UAP front, with intelligence agency whistleblower David Grush coming forward to reveal the fact that government is in possession of craft recovered from crashes and landings, some intact, and even with bodies of pilots. Incredible. He refers to the beings as non-human intelligence.
00:00:50
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So unfortunately, this news came out after we recorded, so you won't hear anything about it in this episode, which means we may have to do an immediate follow-up to this topic to cover the groundbreaking claims made by Mr. Grush.
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Public and Governmental UFO Discourse
00:02:03
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Today, let's talk about UFOs, UAPs, aliens, all things phenomenon related. What do you think right now is the most pertinent and interesting part of the phenomenon?
00:02:19
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I don't know if this is like kind of what you're asking but I think the most interesting thing right now is the fact that it's being talked about in public in our government and that it seems like it's trying to like people are trying to destigmatize it. I find that interesting because you know growing up it wasn't a topic of discussion seriously in public like in the mainstream you know it's kind of just like a
00:02:48
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Silly jokey ridiculed thing and now you have a lot of serious people in the public eye talking about it so I find that to be the most interesting thing going on right now because honestly in the last five years there's been more happening in the topic in public than it in the last 70 years so it like
00:03:11
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The last five years have been, ever since 2017, the New York Times article where they released the Gimbal video, the Tic Tac UFO, and the Go Fast, those three videos. Ever since that, it's been like a steady incline of disclosure or information coming out to the public from high credible sources.
00:03:31
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Where like i said for the last seventy years from roswell on there was nothing to that extent there was like. You know kind of hearings and things like this underground but weren't given any like. Media coverage in the mainstream and it just wasn't.
00:03:53
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It had no validation. And now, you know, you see the validation coming and more people are open to the idea of UFOs being real as something that maybe isn't ours.
00:04:09
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There was an initial stigma that was sort of put into place as a means of propaganda. And now our government is starting to walk that back a little bit.
Ridicule and Disclosure in UFO Reporting
00:04:20
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Or do you think that this new disclosure movement is being brought to light by people who were not necessarily involved or don't have knowledge of any sort of coverups that happened in the Roswell incident?
00:04:33
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Well, it's definitely the ridicule that like just answer that first part is it was definitely like it was basically a sigh of like it was created purposefully. Even the CIA bought the magazine like the Inquirer or whatever. It's that one that you see in grocery stores with all the like you walk into the aisle to pay or the cash register when you're going up to pay and
00:05:00
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it'll be there and it has celebrity gossip. It's just it's a tabloid basically but supposedly the UFO stories were inserted in there purposefully just to make it seem like a goofy pleasure like recreational type of thing something not to be taken seriously and it was just given that vibe for decades and if you do that enough you're like imprinting the the idea into people's heads and
00:05:27
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Even just suddenly, you know, and then, you know, you have tons of movies where it's just outlandish and ridiculous and, you know, aliens are invading nothing, not much media that kind of pointed toward anything true. So yeah, it was definitely stigmatized purposefully.
00:05:45
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And what was the second part? Do you think that this new disclosure movement is being put forth by people who weren't a part of or don't really know the extent of the cover-up? Or is this being presented by the same people who were covering up Roswell and at the head of these propaganda movements? Do you think that they're walking back their previous position? Or is this like a newfound thing?
00:06:14
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It could be either, but what it's being presented as and what it seems like is that the interesting thing that's happening now is people that were alive that covered up the Roswell, a lot of the people that were alive for that initial era of just pure cover-up, a lot of these people are dying and some of them are dying with their secrets. For instance, the Roswell incident, we may not ever know what that's about fully because
00:06:42
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They say that actually all the information on it, like all the documents has been destroyed through time and the people who had firsthand experience have been or dying. So there's not much of that left on. And it seems like with disclosure.
00:06:58
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There's a lot of people that are in government or in agencies that have pieces of information, and now they're coming out to the public. A lot of them are civilians now, so some of them still have NDAs, non-disclosure agreements, so they can't say certain things, but other people, their NDAs have
00:07:20
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have gone away since they're not involved anymore. They don't have security clearance anymore. So now you have whistleblowers going and talking to the government and giving them their stories. I mean there's always the chance that this whole disclosure is just another form of propaganda and it's being propagated by the people that cover it up. I would say that there's probably a good chance that there's some of that.
00:07:49
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it seems to me like they are give that some truth will be revealed but you know it's not in the government's nature to just tell the truth for for truth's sake so it seems to me like
00:08:04
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Even if they are going to disclose some truth, it has to benefit them in some way. There has to be a reason. So what's being put forward right now is that the reason is that people that know about it, kind of like patriots, rogues that were involved in these programs,
00:08:23
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They leak things like the New York Times article with those videos. That was a leak by former intelligence agencies, people that were, you know, just what they would say, patriots. They say, this is insane. The people deserve to know this.
00:08:39
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So it's being presented as they're like, these are basically rogue Americans that were involved in these programs that have some information and are trying to get it out. They wanted to get it out through proper avenues, like putting it up to the Defense Department and they're just getting shut down. So they like, Lou Elizondo, for instance, he decided, okay, look, I nobody is
00:09:05
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You know, he was the head of ATIP, which was a program that was supposed to study military UFO incidents. So he was put into this position. He was head of the ATIP and he was, you know,
00:09:20
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investigating these incidents, finding some that were definitely anomalous, and then whenever he would try to put it up the chain of command, it would just get pushed to the side. Nobody was listening, so it seemed like he was being directly subverted.
00:09:38
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He became fed up with this. He's like, nobody is listening to what I'm saying. Like, I'm finding these things. They're definitely here. And he couldn't get the information up the chain of command. So he left this position and left government totally to pursue this. And so now he is, he was kind of what started
00:09:59
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He hooked up with Tom DeLong in that group he made to disclose information with some other guys like Jim Semivan, who was a CIA guy, people that had inside information. So that's how it all started with that. So it's being presented as...
00:10:20
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As basically, people know the information that were in government and think that it should be public knowledge, that there's no reason to declassify all of it. And all these people, they even say,
00:10:37
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Hey, we understand keeping some things classified, but at least people have the right to know that this is a real phenomenon, that it's a real thing. And now it's moving toward what seems like the direction it's going to is crash retrieval programs and exotic materials that we may have recovered.
00:11:00
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So that's the direction that it's moving towards and it seems like that is the thing that may come out in the near future.
00:11:10
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Yeah, one thing I'm really hoping to hear more about are these reverse engineering programs and how far we've gotten as a country and maybe how far other countries have gotten. Have you seen anything indicating that there's going to be some sort of disclosure or release regarding these back engineering programs?
00:11:32
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I don't know. See, the thing is there have, so now there's Arrow, this new group in government that are studying UFOs in a scientific way, using the scientific method. And Arrow also has
Insider Revelations and Government Secrecy
00:11:47
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been hearing whistleblowers for the last couple months. So, so far, I guess there was at least like somewhere around two dozen whistleblowers that disclosed information to the head of Arrow, Sean Kirkpatrick.
00:12:02
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Supposedly, many of those whistleblowers were people that had direct access to some of these reverse engineering programs and crash recovery programs. So I guess a lot of people have been coming forward about those things specifically and even have like direct program names, destinations where these exotic materials have been held. See, everything, you know, everything I'm hearing right now is saying that
00:12:32
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See, because in my opinion, the government that we elect, our elected government, are just as in the dark about this as we are. Like, up until recently, it seems like these were – all this stuff was covered up in black programs or in private industry, like, you know, weapons manufacturers. They're not – if it's in private industry, the government has no oversight over it technically.
00:12:59
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So but if you have like a black program in cahoots with a private industry then it gives them. It allows them to keep that a secret and you know our government that we elect has no access to it.
00:13:15
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So it seems like there are definitely materials in these private companies. So that being said, we have government organizations who are now disclosing secrets of the government.
00:13:32
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Where are these programs coming from? And are they separated or divorced from the propaganda and the deep, deep secrets that the shadow government wants to keep under wraps? Like how are they, are they quarreling? Are like, are we looking at like an internal government quarrel right now?
00:13:53
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it definitely appears to be that. So it seems like our government, our elected officials, they are not so different than you and I, the people that we know their names. So a lot of them have now just begun finding out that they've been lied to as well. So there's always a chance that this is all 4D chess and the deep state wanted it to happen this way. But what is happening on the surface is
00:14:18
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that our government are hearing these things like the whistle blowers and I mean our elected government and they are saying like okay this is real and they're kind of thinking okay we've been lied to and then what really pisses people off is like like I said that they've been lied to and that they don't have access people that should have access don't um and there's
00:14:44
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There's so much evidence of this now, and now people are finally taking it seriously enough to analyze the evidence, people in government, people in high positions. And so it seems like there is kind of an internal struggle between the deep state and the public and the elected government.
00:15:03
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And so even though we see a lot of disclosure happening right now, there's absolutely another force fighting with that and pulling it away. So it seems to me, I think the closer we get to something like crash retrievals or any materials or craft or anything like that, the closer we get to that, which it seems right now we're getting close to that, the harder it's going to get and the more it'll pull back.
00:15:29
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So I wouldn't doubt that you see all this kind of go away in the near future because it's very easy to put it back in the bag. You know people say cats out the bag now you can't put it back in. But the thing is we kind of did this already.
00:15:45
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with Project Blue Book. It was in the public for a little bit. They were studying it and they dismissed it and, you know, kind of just put it away for like 50 years. So I think there's a chance that now that you get close to the goods, that's when, you know, maybe people will get threatened. People will be like, you're going to lie about this. So now even the other day, NASA had a
00:16:11
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a meeting, NASA is now supposedly, not supposedly, they are studying the UFO phenomenon as well. And they're also using the scientific method, which I have my qualms about that also. I don't know if this phenomenon necessarily bends to the will of the scientific method, but it's a good thing that people are doing it that way. That's how you're going to convince people of the validity of it.
00:16:37
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It seems, though, the closer that we get, like I said, they're going to fight harder. And these people have more power than the people that are fighting them. So it wouldn't surprise me if, for instance, the NASA group that are doing this study right now, if they come out, because they're going to have a report, I think sometime this summer, of their findings.
00:17:01
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and it will not surprise me at all if they say all of it's explainable and they'll have a great presentation to explain everything in a scientific manner and they'll show videos of airplanes that with different like visual distortions and say oh it was just this airplane you know there's a lot of ways I think that they could put it back and the
00:17:25
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crash retrievals the materials that's like the gold mine that's where there's no turning back if people get to that but it's so buried away and there's so much red tape around it and it's you know it it has a higher
00:17:41
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higher clearance than like the nuclear clearance as far as like secrets beyond top secret it's i mean if you think about it and you just allow yourself to believe for a moment that it's real that we would have UFOs i mean that is the ultimate weapon the ultimate technology that's checkmate for whoever has it and understands it and can replicate it so this thing is going to be
00:18:06
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Hidden with like ferocity, it's not going to be easy for it to come out. And then, and say the craft, the idea that we have craft comes out, you know, people are going to have to, they're going to have to answer for their lies, first off.
00:18:26
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And then it's also going to bring many more questions because then it's not just about the technology. It's, well, whose technology is it? It just opens up Pandora's box to so many more questions. So if they can keep that away from the public, they don't have to answer anything further also. Yeah, that seems to be the way that they operate in many, many facets of government and what they do.
00:18:56
Speaker
What do you think about the propaganda aspect to it?
00:19:03
Speaker
It's so hard because there are a lot of very flamboyant UFO personalities nowadays within the community, whether they be documentarians or people who claim to have worked for the CIA or like you said, Lou Elizondo, people who are actually recruited to government programs to research these things. And a lot of them say different things.
00:19:27
Speaker
And if you throw a guy like Steven Greer into that mix as well, who is claiming this is all about, um, free energy and harnessing top secret new technologies that would change the world. There's just, there's so many different people saying so many different things, but it's hard to find an accurate string to grab onto to follow.
00:19:52
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And, you know, part of me always has to ask myself, like, is the entire thing a sigh up? I don't think it is. I think there's just too much here to ignore and too much here to call all of it a sigh up.
00:20:09
Speaker
But there are definitely incremental PSYOPs along the way. If anyone doesn't know, a PSYOP stands for a psychological operation. So similar to how people call, people say things are false flags, you know, staged events that will say get us to, uh, us as a people to accept going into a war.
00:20:30
Speaker
This is sort of like a stage psychological event. It's something that is meant to instill an idea into us as opposed to like show us an actual event. And again, I don't think that the whole thing is a psyop, but it's so obvious that there have been so many incremental psyops along the way that it's very, very hard to get to the bottom of exactly, you know, where we should be looking, who we should be believing. And that's where a lot of the confusion in my mind comes.
00:21:00
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Yeah, I agree. It's like impossible to know until, aside from first-hand experience, but the government, it's hard to trust how deep the SIOP could go. And what you said right there is like one of the main SIOPs that is used. It's the fact of muddying the waters. So they can put out information that appears to be legitimate.
00:21:25
Speaker
But it's also false. It's actually false and then put some truth in there too. And then you have everybody, you know, saying different narratives and people are like, this is all nonsense because none of it lines up. But the thing I try to do most is, is like you said, a lot of people are saying different things. But the interesting thing is that a lot of people are also saying the same things.
00:21:48
Speaker
So the things that seem to line up in different camps and different avenues, it seems that you can kind of take that with some validity. Think like, okay, so that sounds like it could be something that's true.
Understanding UFOs and Non-Human Intelligence
00:22:05
Speaker
And also, because like you mentioned Elizondo and Greer and different camps, I guess you'd say, who have different narratives and talk about the topic differently,
00:22:16
Speaker
There's a lot of good researchers, people that are smarter than you and I, that also assess these things. Richard Dolan is a really good researcher. I recommend him to people. I trust a lot of what he says. He knows the history of this topic with the government more than anybody, I'd say. And he's just a pretty brilliant dude. So I trust a lot of his analysis.
00:22:43
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I think he's been right on a lot of things so there's also instead of just falling into one of the camps and being I believe him or him. There's also very intelligent people that have also inside information and access to people in the know or people that.
00:23:01
Speaker
people that have direct access to certain information and then they make their assessment as well. So there's also good researchers you can look to instead of just believing the source of like your Elizondo or Greer or whoever else is in the mix. So I just want to say there's also good researchers too.
00:23:21
Speaker
I also wonder how much is possible for us to know or comprehend about this phenomenon because at face value, these craft are doing things that are not possible by human standards. And there is a lot of speculation that.
00:23:44
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whatever is in control of these craft, if they are not human and they're not part of an advanced government of China or Russia or the US or something like that, that they're sort of choosing to reveal themselves in a way that we can sort of understand or that we can at least digest. And if that's true, then what do they look like when they're not presenting themselves to us?
00:24:13
Speaker
What is the nature of the phenomenon for itself? Not just what it's presenting to us or what we're seeing, because there's just such a mystery to this. And it seems like, although there are people who know a lot more than we do, and they know a lot more than what most of the personalities in the community are letting on, how much can we really know about this?
00:24:41
Speaker
I mean, it's hard really to know anything at all, regardless of a topic that's like mysterious and cloaked with secrecy. I think, you know, the same as all things, direct experience is king. That's like, you know, so there's the CE5 method that supposedly you can summon UFOs. But as far as what we can know, I mean,
00:25:10
Speaker
Like you said, we don't even know if the, this is the thing, a lot of people who have experience with like the entities or, you know, some, there's a lot of credible and pretty like legitimate, well-documented cases with some physical evidence to them where people would have a, um,
00:25:32
Speaker
close encounter of the third kind, which is when there is a craft involved in close proximity, the craft left physical traces, and there was also an entity that's the close encounters of the third kind. And there's a lot of legitimate cases. And then often people will talk about what they were told by the beings. And like a good question is like, let's say it even did happen that way.
00:25:59
Speaker
And they saw the being and had a communication. It's like, why would we think that these things would be telling us the truth? That's a good question. So even people that have direct experience can't determine what's true. So the best thing I think anyone can do is.
00:26:17
Speaker
look up if you want to confirm yourself. If there are UFOs out there, look up often and just try to make intelligent assessments of the information at hand. But as far as knowing, fully knowing, I don't think it's possible unless you have a direct experience. Altering consciousness can give you
00:26:39
Speaker
See, and this is the thing, we talk a lot about aliens and UFOs, and we kind of avoid the – a lot of people either go to the nuts and bolts side of it, the purely physical aspect of the phenomenon, and then there's the consciousness. The other people in different camps look at the consciousness aspect of it.
Psychedelics and Consciousness Exploration
00:26:59
Speaker
So me personally know for a fact that there are non-human intelligence. So that's why a lot of people instead of say aliens or ET, they just say non-human intelligence because we know that there is intelligence beyond just human intelligence. And you know that, I know that. And we know that there are entities that can be communicated with and contact through the alteration of consciousness as well.
00:27:23
Speaker
So in that sense, we talk sometimes to each other about the possible connection between this phenomenon and psychedelics. I mean, I think everything is definitely connected to altered states of consciousness. I think altering states is the way to access the knowledge beyond what we can hold in our standard human state.
00:27:49
Speaker
I think that is another way you can know in a sense is maybe trying to communicate with entities through psychedelics or just some type of altered state. I mean, I've had experiences with entities and dreams. So that is a form of knowing that people can obtain firsthand. I don't know, what do you think about the connection through possibly psychedelics in this phenomenon?
00:28:19
Speaker
Well, I definitely reside more so in the camp of interest in the consciousness aspect of it because that's what really got me curious about everything in this world that's mysterious is this weird connection with altered states of consciousness and
00:28:36
Speaker
the knowing that you're talking about because people would always say on the religious end of things like you have to feel god and like this and that and when people talk about. Having direct experience with supernatural entities you know you think to yourself like this is just kind of.
00:28:55
Speaker
all bullshit to a certain degree until you have the experience. And then you understand what somebody means when they say, when you know, you know, when you have the experience, you have this internal, very powerful sense of knowing. And I let that sense of knowing
00:29:16
Speaker
that feeling that you get from that altered state of consciousness sort of guide my curiosity. And that's where it lands me with the consciousness aspect of these things. You know, we've seen that there have been declassified government documents that say that whatever this phenomenon is, it has a method or a means of interacting with or altering human consciousness.
00:29:41
Speaker
To me, that's the most compelling thing I've ever heard in terms of disclosure. Because what that tells me is that it's got something to do with these altered states. And the most miraculous, mysterious, amazing, life-changing altered states that I can think of have come from psychedelics.
00:29:59
Speaker
And if you do psychedelics yourself, or if you delve into the information that's available from people and researchers who have done psychedelics to a very deep degree, we'll tell you that they have seen, came into contact with either telepathically or what they may interpret as physically with entities, with something with an intelligence.
00:30:24
Speaker
and oftentimes in a place with structure where it feels like
00:30:31
Speaker
There's something that has a higher level of consciousness or a higher level of intelligence in yourself. And again, this isn't just like an anecdotal sort of like, oh, this is what it sort of felt like. This is being guided by, again, that inner knowing as part of the experience. You're being not just told something or shown a picture
00:30:56
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The altered state of consciousness is experiencing you as much as you are experiencing it. It's like an interchangeable symbiosis of intellectual and emotional exchanges or something like that.
00:31:14
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My ultimate question in terms of the phenomenon, in terms of the validity of the phenomenon is what is its connection to the psychedelic experience? What is its connection to what we consider God or the divine or mystical? What is the connection between the fundamental nature of like mystical philosophy, you know, even the ability to philosophize in general, I feel like has some sort of connection to this
00:31:42
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this phenomenon? And that's my biggest question. With DMT, it's fascinating because with DMT, with Ayahuasca and Smoke DMT, the entities that people see are coincidentally, a lot of times, these alien creatures. You know, there's like Graham Hancock wrote about
00:32:06
Speaker
his ayahuasca experience in visionary and he talked about seeing UFOs and gray type aliens. There are plenty of reports of people smoking DMT and seeing like mantis beings that are intelligent. There are experiences of DMT where people seem to be having like a medical procedure similar to that of an abduction experiencers.
00:32:34
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And so there's many even like reptile type beings. All these things that are classically attached to UFOs and aliens are also experienced through DMT which is fascinating to me. And it's not just because
00:32:53
Speaker
Our culture put these ideas in our heads. You smoke DMT and then you create it. And that's the reason why people are seeing the same thing because there's been a lot of research about DMT experiences among different cultures and also alien abduction experiences among different cultures.
00:33:12
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And it's funny because you can talk to like tribesmen that have had a connection to star people, as they would call them, or even spirit realm and like shamanic culture. And a lot of these people that have never had a connection of culture describe the same type of beings as we do in the West even. You know, there's a lot of the praying mantis, the classical gray alien UFOs, same things. And people are having these experiences
00:33:41
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With DMT and also with Just you know in their standard state you could say and having these abduction experiences, so there's like a direct connection um
00:33:55
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Maybe just the human state just isn't prepped to have that connection. We're very limited in our state of consciousness as of right now. Anybody who's done psychedelics or worked in any type of way to alter their consciousness,
00:34:12
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Know that everything that you experience is a state of consciousness. So your reality can change in drastic ways through altering that consciousness. You can experience things that are
00:34:26
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non-human-like. Like when you're in a state that's like, okay, I'm no longer human, I'm something else. So it makes sense to me that if you hit these different states where you become something else, like you basically do, you become something else. You're not identified as the human being in some of these states. You are having different sensory experiences and different feelings and higher intellect. Like the states are endless that you can experience.
00:34:55
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So it doesn't surprise me that there will be other entities as well. I mean, if you are able to change so much, then why wouldn't the things that you're interacting with also change? Another interesting part of that and its connection to consciousness is like the lessons that you learn most of the time, at least like for me, the higher levels of consciousness that I've interacted with always seem to have this foundation of like love with the capital L.
00:35:24
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And when you talk about some of the encounters that people have with beings when they have these telepathic experiences, a lot of the messages that they're getting are things like you as humans don't understand who you really are. You don't understand your true potential, or messages of saving the earth, saving the planet, being kind and good to each other. Also, the notion that
00:35:52
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These things started to show up in higher and higher frequencies after we acquired the discovery of nukes, shutting down reactors and things like that.
00:36:08
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that aligns itself, those two messages of love, peace, prosperity, taking care of the earth, being responsible stewards of the cosmos. I think those messages and those lessons you'll get from the psychedelics and also people report getting them from these abduction experiences.
00:36:34
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To me, you know, how we were talking about kind of find where these things align, that's one of the spots where they align where I can say, okay, that's where this inner knowing sort of takes me to that.
00:36:45
Speaker
Yeah, there's definitely a lot that aligns between psychedelics and the alien encounters. A lot of people will also get the message from entities to take care of the planet better, be a better steward of the Earth.
00:37:05
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like the African aerial school that incident that happened in the in the 90s. It was a mass sighting with a school of like young kids. There are about 80 kids that saw this ship come down and
00:37:22
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It might have been a little less, like somewhere from 60 to 80. But they had a close encounter with these beings that came out of the ship. And through telepathy, some of the children that were very close, some of the children were like arms length away from these beings that looked like classical greys.
00:37:42
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through eye contact, they had some type of telepathy and they were shown destruction and horrible things happening to the earth. They were being told that we need to take care of the earth better.
00:37:59
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we're also warned about technology and how we're using technology. So that's another kind of thing that I see some people getting when they have a strong psychedelic trip. You see people often like some people don't want to eat animals anymore or some people they're just more aware of the environment
00:38:23
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I see that pretty frequently in the psychedelic community. People often have that experience of being kinder to the earth. And that's one that you see show up a lot in experiencers that have communication with these entities, you know, take care of the earth. So maybe we can think of them not as even intentionally trying to communicate these things with us. Maybe just like the mushroom or just like the DMT,
00:38:52
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these things, these entities might just be access points to the information field of consciousness. So maybe the closer you get to one of these entities, it activates this like telepathic raise in your level of consciousness the same way as if you would eat a mushroom. Maybe you just have to approach one of these beings and your consciousness intertwines with it and it
00:39:17
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gets access or gains it gains access to this field of information of consciousness and maybe within this field of consciousness exists the destruction and all the things that were that we're seeing because it's not always as if when you take a psychedelic
00:39:35
Speaker
you're like sitting down and you're talking with an entity. A lot of times it's almost as if it gives you access to an information field that you normally didn't have access to because of the facade or the wall that your senses kind of put up within your brain chemistry. So maybe it works the same way with an entity. Maybe that's why when we get quote unquote abducted, there's so much confusion and so much like haziness where
00:40:02
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There's lost time and a lot of things aren't really too clear within the visual field. Maybe that would lend credence to that government document. I mentioned before how these things have a way of altering human consciousness. It might not be that the entities or the craft are trying to give us a message. It might just be the closer we get to them, like the.
00:40:26
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the closer we get to this weird field of information that our brains then have access to, like an automatic altered state of consciousness just by getting closer to it.
00:40:36
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Yeah, and I also think that the phenomenon makes more sense or it's easier to hold when you have a better understanding of what consciousness is in general. Like for most people, they focus so much on what they call the nuts and bolts, the total physical aspect of the phenomenon. Like there's physical craft, physical beings that come from another planet. That's it. You know, they can fly really fast.
00:41:04
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But the more you understand consciousness, the more—and what I mean by that is basically discovering that consciousness is fundamental and understanding—like recontextualizing your reality in that sense that we aren't physical entities in a physical place that exists independent of consciousness.
00:41:24
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is top-down rather than bottom-up as far as creation, intelligence, all that. I think when you get a better understanding of that, it makes it a lot easier to hold. I also, when you were saying that, it made me think of—because also with psychedelics, but I was thinking of—because we were talking about the messages that the entities give.
Historical and Cultural Connections to UFOs
00:41:47
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There's a lot of people that do really brilliant research on this phenomenon associating with religion and religious experiences, same with psychedelics. People find a lot of information that points certain religions to psychedelic things and also this, if you want to call it, alien phenomenon, whatever this phenomenon is, these entities.
00:42:10
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there's a good chance and there's people have done really legitimate research on this and it's very compelling that what we call angels were actually, I don't wanna say extraterrestrial because I don't know if I think they're extraterrestrial. Whatever these entities are, I don't know if they come from a different planet, I don't know what the idea is there. But these things may have been what people were calling angels that they wrote
00:42:39
Speaker
in religious texts because like we have a very specific idea of an angel in our culture like we think of it as like maybe just like a mystical being or like a man that's naked with wings or something like that but it turns out that actually the word uh angel wasn't it never actually meant a type of being like there is no such thing as a being called an angel
00:43:06
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Angel, what it meant actually was just messenger. It meant that—and they're also associated with, you know, in these texts as being, like, higher than us. But it only meant messenger, so it's not they were all the same looking.
00:43:23
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or it just meant that they had contact with a being that delivered a message, which is what we see a lot of in psychedelic. I'm talking especially about DNT because that's the one where you get entities far more frequently.
00:43:39
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And just like I mentioned with the aerial school, they got messages. And so I find that that connection and religion could very well be where we got this whole angel messenger type thing from. It's really interesting some of the research that people have done on that.
00:43:59
Speaker
Yeah, there are lots of strange, as you said, similarities before how you were talking about between different cultures. And a lot of these cultures were using the same type of psychedelics, whether it be like a DMT brew or mushrooms, mushrooms being more easily accessible from across the world.
00:44:18
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with no contact, no possible way of contact, seeing the same types of things. And as you said before as well, seeing the same types of UFO saucer type shapes, the grays and all these classic
00:44:35
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manifestations of aliens. And you know, it always does bring back the question to me, like what came first, you know, did we extract these icons from the psychedelic experience from the altered state of consciousness? Or is the altered state of consciousness or the visions created by those altered states inspired by what we know and what we have read and what we've experienced in the physical plane?
00:45:03
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Yeah, like I was getting at a little bit before. I think that the evidence is pretty solid to say that the psychedelic experience isn't, especially DMT, isn't derived from culture or what we've been told. I think it's like a
00:45:20
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It's like kind of the best way to describe it would be like it's a real thing. That's a real place. It's something external from you and your ego. Not from you, but from your ego, I should say. It's not like I said, it's not that we've heard about things that look this way, smoke DMT, and then our mind is like, ooh, let me show you something silly like this. I think that
00:45:44
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a lot of these archetypes that we come up with like the alien I think they could have been originally taken from psychedelic experience like it's kind of off topic but same thing like with the idea of the clown is like we don't really think well where did a clown isn't something that just exists walking around like jesters and clowns like we had to get that from somewhere the whole idea of a circus and it just happens to be that
00:46:09
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that whole archetype is like it's very prominent in the DMT realm. So it's not out of question that we kind of had these very intense life-changing experiences in the realm and then tried to replicate it in our standard state of consciousness. But I think something like that could happen with these types of beings as well.
00:46:37
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John Mack was a Harvard psychiatrist and he wrote the book Abductions. He was like a brilliant dude that kind of fell into the rabbit hole of alien abductions.
00:46:48
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And he ended up determining that it's a real phenomenon and he's a brilliant psychiatrist. He, he tested hundreds, thousands of people probably from all over the world. And it's just interesting because we've been talking about like psychedelic having that psychedelic experience and.
00:47:08
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Some people, I bet, listen to that and think of it as being less real. You know, like if a shaman does a drug and then talks to a being, it's like, okay, well, he's just on a drug. Well, John Mack went to the jungle when he was doing research and he talked to, like, a tribesman.
00:47:27
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And this guy had like what you would consider like real physical abductions in a sober state. And he, you know, he described the exact same thing that many people during that time period experience. He described being abducted into a craft and while, you know, just in a standard sober state and having like a medical procedure happening to him,
00:47:54
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All this stuff he was told, or all this stuff that he told John Mack, I should say, and this is a guy that has no contact with Western culture. And it was hard for him to talk about. He also talked about having, like his, there's a lot of times in these abduction experiences, at least in the past, they would take like a woman's eggs or a man's sperm, and he talked about that happening to him, which
00:48:19
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He had no way of knowing that that was so prominent in this phenomenon. And so it just seems like there is some serious validity to this. All over the world, different cultures have been describing similar things. And it's not always through their cultural lens. They sometimes align. It's not like in Asia, they see a certain type of thing that's representative of their culture. And then over here, we see something representative of ours.
00:48:48
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It seems to be that we're all describing the same things somehow without any cultural connection to create these things. Which makes me think of the whole pan-spermia theory. It's possible that we aren't from here or from there, and we're both. We sure as hell look like a mix of gray aliens and hairy monkeys, don't we?
00:49:15
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Yeah, it's pretty interesting that the idea because this is another theory in this field is that we were, you know, we talked about in the past the stoned ape theory. Like how did we become human? How did our, how did we advance so quickly? And then there's a theory that as, as early hominids, we ate psychedelic mushrooms over millions of years that gave us like a, uh, an edge and changed us drastically.
00:49:44
Speaker
Well, there's another theory that we have been genetically manipulated by these higher entities, and it makes a lot of sense in my opinion. I wouldn't say I subscribe to it or believe it, but
00:50:00
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to me it makes logical sense when you see how out of place we are on the planet like I tell you this sometimes like just like when you look around at what humans do like it seems alien like the way our like everything we build everything we do it's like does not fit with anything else on this planet even remotely so that's
00:50:23
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I think a theory that is valid and then on top of it you have people having the experiences, these like medical type experiences with their DNA being taken, their like eggs or their sperm. So there's also like a whole hybridization theory that they are trying to, they've been creating like hybrid babies of between their race and humanity.
00:50:50
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And there's a lot of validity to that too. If you listen to the experiences that the abductees have, there's countless experiences that all these people have of seeing these hybrid babies and vats and holding hybrid children. It's, it's the weirdest shit, but there are so many people that had this experience. So that's another interesting theory that has some validity to it.
00:51:15
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Yeah, it's weird too. It makes me think of like this stone dape theory could have worked in conjunction with the alien monkey hybridization project. You know what I mean? Like the, the mushroom could be.
00:51:32
Speaker
The thread that I was talking about that we need to grasp onto to find our way back to our origins. It's, it's possible, you know, it would make sense because the lessons coincide with one another. Some of the imagery coincides. So who knows, who knows maybe. Maybe the origins of the human species really do come from outer space. And, you know, our gateway to that, our Stargate would be the mushrooms and the DMT.
00:51:59
Speaker
Yeah I mean to me honestly it just it does really seem like there had to be some type of intervention that happened with humanity and it's funny because in my opinion there's the stoned ape theory which I like a lot too which is what I just said before and what you're talking about and
00:52:19
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I think if you don't believe that, then how do you explain this? And it's funny because I would argue that most people probably don't believe that theory. Most people are unaware of it and they don't even ask, they just like whatever. But if you don't believe in that, what is the alternative theory to how we became this way?
00:52:39
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and so quickly and just very, it's very unnatural to everything else happening on the planet. And personally, I really think that the alien intervention or whatever entities tampering with our DNA, I think that's like the only other theory I can think of to explain this. I don't know if there's any other theories out there. And if we talk about experience being king, the king of all experience,
00:53:09
Speaker
happens to be altered states of consciousness. And in my opinion, the king of altered states of consciousness are psychedelic substances. So if experience is king and
00:53:23
Speaker
Experience equals consciousness. And these experiences on psychedelics feel like this inner knowing is giving you a higher level of consciousness. Then to me, it's the only obvious answer to the question of where we came from, of what reality is.
00:53:44
Speaker
what the cosmos is, is in some way intertwined with the psychedelic experience. It's hard to say that we evolved into what we are now strictly because of the psychedelic experience or the stone day hypothesis.
00:54:01
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But I think it was a very, very big part of it. Obviously, you know, if you look back in history, they say that the ability to allocate more of our body's energy to our brain via the cooking of food.
00:54:19
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helped us to evolve to because it took a lot of energy, body energy, to digest raw food. So it wouldn't allow for us to be processing thought as much or generating neurons or however, you know, the evolution of the brain works. So they say that that contributed heavily to
00:54:38
Speaker
But I really do think that the psychedelics play a huge role in this because, again, you know, if you look at experience being king, the king of experiencing anything being psychedelics, and when they lay out the stone day hypothesis dosage wise, it makes perfect sense. I mean, you can take the dosages yourself and you can experience what they talk about as being each level and each level coinciding with a very integral part of the evolution of the human. The first one being.
00:55:08
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Uh, the ability to hunt better, the ability to literally see better visual edge detection.
Psychedelics' Role in Human Evolution
00:55:14
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You can sense and see edges of objects better, which allows you to hunt better, which allows you to, um, avoid predators better. Uh, then at slightly higher doses, you get creativity. You get, uh, you get.
00:55:31
Speaker
higher eroticism within the tribe, which means more offspring, you're growing your tribe. And then at slightly higher doses or even way higher doses, you get the psychedelic experience, the mystical experience, what transforms us into spiritual beings. And also what cultivates language. There's a concept called glossolalia, where
00:55:57
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You have these spontaneous sounds come out of your mouth. This happens to people who already know language. Right now in 2023, you can take a psychedelic and you can have this experience where things would just come out of your mouth nonsense. So say this happens to a being that doesn't have language and has never made a sound before or never made a sound with intention before. And then they can start to create creative noises and associate them with concepts.
00:56:27
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If this is legit, then it seems to me like the only explanation for the development of at least some form of intelligence.
00:56:38
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And then, yeah, you mentioned like the glossolalia. You see that even today in our churches, that's what they're mimicking that when they're speaking in tongues. That's where that comes from. You also mentioned the other theory that, you know, how partially we may have developed faster or something that may have helped us is like cooking food and eating cooked food. And first thing I thought of, which is interesting, is like that could also be connected to
00:57:05
Speaker
the alien phenomenon, the entities, because that's the Prometheus story where we were given fire. Aside to that, something higher than us actually gave us the fire.
00:57:25
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And I think you can take that in a bunch of different avenues also, this whole Prometheus thing. So there's a theory that just going back to the UFO topic a little bit, there's a theory that
00:57:43
Speaker
these crafts that we have retrieved weren't, you know, just crashes or shot down or something that they were like left as gifts, like kind of like the story of Prometheus. And if you look at our technological development and like the last hundred years, 50 years, 10 years, like how, how drastic it's been.
00:58:07
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A lot of sources would say that we haven't perfected their technology. People that claim that we have their tech, we can't replicate it perfectly, but through
00:58:20
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finding their tech, however, means we've gotten to these craft, these UFOs, we were able to just jump leaps and bounds in our technological capabilities. So supposedly like that's, these crafts are like the only reason we have laser tech. I mean, all this stuff that you see pop up after the fifties is pretty incredible. And that's, you know, after,
00:58:44
Speaker
the first popular known case of recovered material begins in 47, that's Roswell. There's cases even earlier than that, they're just not as popular, but that whole Prometheus thing is interesting that there may be some type of gift-giving happening to push our species forward or lead us somewhere.
00:59:09
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But yeah, I just thought of that when you mentioned the the eating cooked food could that's like a I know that's a big theory that a lot of people say who would think stone dape is Ridiculous or aliens are ridiculous. They'd say well, yeah, we started eating cooked food around that time well also You know aliens gave us fire so and they probably gave us mushrooms, too
00:59:33
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Yeah, maybe, maybe and also like maybe when we started eating the mushrooms, it was like that was a beacon that a lot that sent them to come here, you know, when an animal when its consciousness reads a certain frequency or where it gets to a certain place, maybe it's just like, it's like a honing beacon, like, okay, we're gonna connect with this now.
00:59:57
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I love that. I've never actually heard that before. It's cool. Yeah, I never thought of that before, actually. But yeah, I mean, the theories are endless. But there's, to me, clearly a connection between the psychedelic experience and whatever this phenomenon is. I think with this phenomenon also, there is also like the main
01:00:20
Speaker
idea that people have about it is that they're ET, that there are different species of ET probably. They're coming from a different planet or somewhere else physically. They're coming here and interacting with us. We believe that because there are people that experience different types of entities with like different attributes. So we think, you know, there must be a bunch of life out there that are all coming here and interacting with us, different species and whatnot.
01:00:47
Speaker
But then there's also a theory that I think of sometimes that may be, and you kind of touched on this before when you mentioned the altering consciousness aspect of the UFO or getting close to one of the entities. It could be that there's actually only one phenomenon, that it is something
01:01:07
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happening, but it's just a single phenomenon presenting itself in countless different ways. So, you know, it's like a lot of time this is like talking about Skimwalker Ranch, a lot of paranormal and the ET, there's also often a trickster aspect associated with it.
01:01:27
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So a theory is that there could be a single phenomenon that is just like an ultimate trickster that presents itself in any way and just kind of.
01:01:41
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messing with us in a sense, you know, it's not that there are a bunch of different species, there's one force showing us what we want to see. I mean, that lends credence to the psychedelic thing too, because psychedelics seem to have that same personality to them, that trickster, circus, jestery type of personality, so yeah, that makes sense to me too.
Dreams and Altered States as Contact Mediums
01:02:04
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Yeah, a lot of times like on DMT, like the jester I mentioned before, it's like a very popular experience people have and even on like the spirit of the mushroom, there seems to be
01:02:19
Speaker
on these psychedelic experiences, there's a personality, and sometimes it does seem to be a little trickster-like. Not always, but sometimes it seems to have some type of sense of humor or something. Yeah, but also I wanted to mention, because we've been talking about, you know, UFOs, aliens, and psychedelics, and consciousness, we haven't touched on dreams, which I think are also... It's interesting because
01:02:48
Speaker
People have experiences with entities in their dreams and I have had that before. And that's easy to kind of just brush off and say, well, yeah, like your dreams are just, you know, it's, it is, you're just making it up. It's your subconscious mind.
01:03:05
Speaker
But in my dreams, I often have, not often, but I'd say semi often, have like really profound experiences. Like I've taken psychedelics or just drugs I've never even heard of in waking life in my dreams and had profound experiences. And I've had
01:03:25
Speaker
and experience. Well, I had a couple, one more recently too, where I was having a really vivid dream, very long and encountered entities. And I've had telepathic communication with them in my dream, which is not something I can physically do right now. So it's like an extra sensory aspect of consciousness that I have in dreams when these
01:03:52
Speaker
beings pop up. It happened twice. Each time like a gray type being appeared in one of my dreams, I was able to have this telepathic experience. And my dreams are very vivid and very real for me. So it's interesting that
01:04:09
Speaker
I know other people have had this experience as well. Sleep paralysis also, people claim, you know, you hear this with like a lot of kids, they'd wake up in their beds and see little men in their room. And when I have sleep paralysis, I see figures around, usually more of like the shadow type figure, but the one time I had sleep paralysis, I experienced telepathy as well.
01:04:33
Speaker
And I told you about that and it was like direct telepathy, English in the center of my head, clearer than anything I've ever heard before. I was fully conscious, just unable to move my body. But it seems that, you know, the dream state or just other altered states like a hypnagogic state, even sleep paralysis state, there also seems to be contact with entities that can happen. Yeah. Dreams are strange like that. And with UFOs and dreams,
01:05:04
Speaker
I hadn't had a UFO dream ever in my life until this year. And when I finally had my first UFO dream, it was just a random dream where like I looked up in the sky and I saw a UFO and the people that were around me were unable to see it. And I was trying to like shake them and get them to see it. And they just wouldn't listen to me. And then after that, every single time I'm in a dream.
01:05:30
Speaker
and I look up in the sky, the dream transforms into what from whatever it was, it could be anything. It could be a complex dream that had a whole number of events unfolding. And then when I look up in the sky, I see a UFO every time and the dream immediately transforms into a UFO centered dream. And it's happened to me so many times since then, which I think is so peculiar. It do that same thing happens to me. It's like it almost an
01:06:00
Speaker
If I look up in my dreams, it's like most of the time there's going to be a UFO and it changes the dream drastically. I find it really interesting that that just started happening this year because it's just, it's weird to me. And you mentioned how it just changes the dream drastically. Now it's suddenly like a UFO dream. I had the last dream I was kind of mentioning where I saw the beings.
01:06:25
Speaker
Same thing happened. I was having this very long, complex dream. There was like, you know, it was about work. I was working at a place and there were like, in depth, like relationships happening. It was very deep, a very long dream. And I was driving in a car with somebody in the car with me. We had someone for my work, we had to go somewhere for work. And then something happened. I like short circuited.
01:06:50
Speaker
and we woke up somewhere else in the car like with like three or four hours missing and it felt like so real man like and we had in the dream it was interesting we had missing time and the person i was with i didn't know what happened couldn't remember it in the dream
01:07:06
Speaker
person I was with was like really freaked out and they reacted in a really intense way. It was very intense. And, you know, I'm not going to go through my whole dream, but eventually I ended up having visions of what happened. And I was abducted by these gray beings and I ended up seeing them at one point later on in the dream and having a telepathic communication. But yeah, it's very insane. So wild. And, you know, when that happens to me,
01:07:34
Speaker
It's like, I'll be in a dream and you know how like you can become lucid in a dream, but you're not 100% in control of the dream itself. I can become lucid in a dream. And then I'll say to myself.
01:07:48
Speaker
If I look up in the sky, I know what's going to happen. I know this is about to change into a UFO dream. And then I'll look up and it'll happen. So weird. Yeah. And then I've noticed that myself, it's now like looking up as a, it's a whole thing. And sometimes it's, it's very scary. I've noticed most times for me, it is. I had, um, I was fully lucid in a dream one time, like fully lucid, like.
01:08:12
Speaker
Jumping around and flying and shit and the same type of thing happened. I've looked over my left I was flying through the air and I looked to the left and I seen like in the distance this weird looking UFO It was like kind of menacing looking but it was black It must have been giant because it was far away and I thought to myself like this is my time like I can go over there But it was too scary man. I bitched out I went the exact opposite way as fast as I could I was not having it sometimes. It's very scary
01:08:42
Speaker
And it's interesting because I am so curious about it that I sometimes regret that. I should have just went over there and seen what it was all about, what would have happened. But it's scary. It's terrifying. I would never want to be abducted. That sounds like a horrible experience.
Personal UFO Sightings and Experiences
01:09:03
Speaker
Speaking of experiences, you had a pretty interesting UFO experience recently. You want to share that? Oh, yeah, I can talk about that. That's right.
01:09:13
Speaker
So it was February 11th in Pennsylvania at like 7 p.m. So it was dark outside, but it wasn't totally dark because probably I would imagine the moonlight, the stars, so I could see. I've conditioned myself to always look up when I'm outside. I do it all the time, just like instinctually now because I'm so like wanting to see something and I never do. So I'm always just popping my head looking up and I was taking my dog out to go to the bathroom.
01:09:43
Speaker
And, you know, I'm looking up, nothing, whatever, just talking to the dog, walking around. And so I just look up again, you know, and it's funny because like you're not expecting to see anything at all. So I look up and I would say relatively close distance. This wasn't up in the sky like airplanes at 30,000 feet. I think it might have been, it's so hard to say,
01:10:12
Speaker
couple hundred feet maybe I don't know it was like right there like but there were four UFOs and these were legitimate UFOs this wasn't like an if well maybe sighting these were like there's shit right there like I looked up expecting nothing and as I looked up directly over me it was like I looked up at the perfect time and seen four craft over me in a v-shape and
01:10:36
Speaker
but um so it was like one in the center leading the pack two behind it on either side diagonally and or one on each side and then one behind it i don't know it's kind of hard to explain so it was like a v but the one side was a little longer it had one extra one
01:10:53
Speaker
so and it was just they were moving dead silently in a steady pace in a direction not like crazy fast but steady and they were white and it's hard to say the exact shape due to the angle of observation because when i was looking at them i was underneath them and
01:11:14
Speaker
like I was looking at them at like an angle and I've never seen one of these before so I can't say like what shape it was so I would say they were either like egg shaped or saucer shaped but I was seeing them from the bottom so they looked like they were round there were no hard edges there were four round objects and I mean they were dead silent where I live I see airplanes all the time and drones I see all that stuff all the time
01:11:43
Speaker
And this was like so strange, so weird. I got like the craziest, like I froze and I was in total disbelief was the main feeling. I was like no fucking way. Um, the, the sighting lasted for maybe
01:12:00
Speaker
15, 20 seconds because they were moving out of view. When I looked up, they were directly over me and they were moving to my left. And, um, but yeah, the interesting thing about them that they were so close and there was no noise. If I wouldn't have looked up, I would have had no idea something was up there. Like I could have missed it so easily because I look up a lot. If I would have just looked at the dog for another 10 seconds and then looked up, I would have never known it happened.
01:12:28
Speaker
I looked up at the precise exact time. They were directly over me. And in an area where you would never think this, it makes no sense. I was like, these things are basically in my backyard.
01:12:41
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They are, it was definitely purely anomalous because they were dead silent and anything that close would have been loud. I'm saying loud. Like if it, if it was a plane or a helicopter, it would have been loud. People would be outside their houses. Like this, it was dramatically close. And it's hard to say if they were like 200 feet up and like the size of a, like in kind of small or maybe like
01:13:07
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a thousand feet up and a little bigger. But they were definitely within that range. To me, it seems maybe like 300 feet. It's hard to say. It's hard to gauge that at night, especially with an object you've never seen before, because I can't gauge it relatively in size. Well, think of this like we have like a an amusement park that's pretty close to where we live here. So we think about that roller coaster, Steel Force that's there.
01:13:36
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That's 205 feet. So if you're standing at the bottom of that roller coaster and you're looking up, do you think it was about 205 feet at that peak or need like, you know what I mean? It's hard to say I know, but it's funny that you brought that up because I use that.
01:13:51
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steel force, 200 foot roller coaster as a gauge for measurement. And it's hard for me to say that they were higher than that, but it's just like thinking about it's like, how could they have been that close? But dude, it seemed like they were like that. I would say maybe that maybe lower even. I don't know, dude. It was like they were right there because that's like 200 feet. It's pretty high.
01:14:15
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I would say even, dude, I'm telling you, if anything would have been close, like they would, it would have been so loud. There were four of these things. They were pretty big. I would, if I had to guess, I would say they were maybe 200 feet up, 500 tops. If I was giving my best guess and they were probably maybe like.
01:14:40
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50 feet each, 40 to 50 feet. Um, like the size, maybe they looked like a little bigger than like a little Cessna plane. They looked like bigger than that, I would say. And just dead silence. Like it's funny because your brain acts in funny ways. Like when I first looked up initially, my instinct first, like for a tiny nanosecond, I was like spotlights.
01:15:08
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because there were white objects that were silent because they're moving and there's nothing like I think that's why my head said spotlights because there was no noise and something that close moving like that would need to be very loud and then within like a second not even I was like that's not spotlights holy shit like and they couldn't be because first off there's no way that spotlights could have done that second there
01:15:33
Speaker
They were objects clearly once you know, I moved past that point but I think that's interesting to share because It kind of lends credence to how silent it was. It was just so silent that it could have been light that's how quiet it was like as quiet as light and
01:15:51
Speaker
Yeah and I freaked out because like I was frozen and this happened February 11th which was interesting because that was right around the time where there were all these quote-unquote UFO shoot downs in the US and like over Alaska that was with the Chinese balloon all that was happening and
01:16:10
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Yeah, it was just an interesting time. They were moving with purpose too. It's just the feeling I got. It was like tight formation. They moved as if they were one. And it felt like purposeful. Like they're doing something. I don't know. And they just moved off in basically, I guess like west and
01:16:34
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They moved towards the college. I reported it to MUFON. I reported it to another website. I got a call back initially and I'm expecting another call back. Never happened. Maybe I missed it. They were going to see if anybody else in the area, they were going to try to investigate, see if anybody else reported anything, see if any, you know, there's any murmurs. But I would, even though they were so close,
01:17:00
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I would not be surprised if nobody saw them because dude just the silence of it and I don't think most people are looking up too much especially in the area this would have happened it would have went over the college but in the back like not where there's many people it would have went over like the sports field of the college that's close to my house but it moved off in that direction
01:17:24
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and uh yeah it was just mind-blowing to me i ran inside i instantly tried calling like you know you my other brother and uh yeah it was just it blew my mind and the thing i think of it's like oh my god damn nobody's going to believe me because like everybody knows i like i'm interested in ufos so like the ufo guy sees ufos it's like fuck off but
01:17:50
Speaker
I seen them and it was 1,000% real, 1,000% anomalous. I never thought in my life I would have a definitive sighting like that. I always thought it'd always be like a weird light or something like, well, that was weird. That was probably a UFO. But these were four silent objects that were close, not like aerodynamic in shape, just like either they were balls, like not perfectly, like eggs.
01:18:17
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It was like a UFO like a saucer UFO and I'm looking at it underneath an angle Also, they were white. I don't know if I mentioned that Yeah, okay. I have something else. I didn't mention there were no lights. Yeah, so this is the thing Yeah, so they were white and they were flying dark. There was no lights and
01:18:36
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If they were, yeah, there was no lights I thought was also crazy because any other aircraft first off has lights on at night. They were flying completely in the dark night sky. And if they were black, I may have missed them, but they were these, they were white objects. So I could see them even with no lights. Like they were, imagine they were close enough for me to see them like clearly.
01:19:00
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because they were white objects if you if they would have been up at like a plane's height there's no way I would have been able to see them even if they are white because the plane shuts its lights off the planes are often white you're not seeing it up there thousands of feet they were right there dude it was like
01:19:21
Speaker
It was, it was a mind blowing experience. I freaked out though. And I ran inside trying to tell people and they're like, then nobody's going to believe me, but I have people that know me. So they do believe me. I would never make something like that up. Uh, yeah, I don't know if that's what happened. Yeah. You're looking at one of them. And I remember I'm sitting there. I was at the laundromat. I think I was reading a book, just chilling, waiting for my laundry to dry.
01:19:44
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and I get a call from you and you told me the whole story and it was it was mind-blowing and I think it may have been like the day that we shot down those those aircraft whatever those things were right yeah one was shot down that day because I had just gotten home from the gym I was at the gym and there's TVs on and I saw on like CNN like oh another shoot down this was after the first Chinese balloon
01:20:09
Speaker
And so I'm texting people about UFOs like during this time period. I get home at like seven and I'm like talking about UFOs because what's in the news. So it all felt crazy because yeah, get home at like seven, uh, changed and then went to take the dog out and that's when it happened. And I'm like, everything about this is crazy. There's no way they would like be in this location at this time. It's just, none of it made sense to me.
01:20:37
Speaker
It really blew my mind too. And I was a little afraid that night because you hear people have like, uh, experiences that have like, uh, abduction stories where like earlier in the night they would see something and then, you know, that night they'd be abducted or some crazy shit would happen. So I was like laying in bed, like looking at that, my window in my room, like, is there going to be something there? It's like, it was scary, dude.
01:21:04
Speaker
I didn't want to go to sleep, I'll be honest, I was a little freaked out. But nothing happened, haven't seen anything since. Yeah. Crazy, just an anomalous, anomalous sighting. That's how you know that you're seeing something, though. When you get that overwhelming sense of fear and you're like, what the hell is that thing?
01:21:23
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Yeah. Yeah, I was totally in awe and shocked. And then, see, I wish I would have like ran and tried to chase them to continue seeing them. But honestly, dude, I was like, I saw enough. I ran inside. I was like, I yelled at my dog. I was like, Mitchie, go down here. And we ran in there because it freaked me out. I was like, no way. I look up constantly. I'm always looking up and there's never anything.
01:21:50
Speaker
I happened to look up and boom right there just I mean absurdly close I would say like not anything you'd be comfortable with yeah and I continue to look up and I hope to see something again but yeah that was uh yeah something else
01:22:11
Speaker
The one time that I actually had the opportunity to see something I was like looking at. I was looking at it in a way where I wasn't able to truly see it. Like we were at.
01:22:22
Speaker
Um, my fiance is friend's house. Actually, no, I'm sorry. We were at her sister's house and her friend was there with us. So it was me, my fiance, her friend and her friend's husband. We were all outside after, uh, we were, we got done playing a few board games and stuff like that. We were just hanging out. And I had, we were all looking up at the sky cause there was actually like a meteor shower that night.
01:22:47
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So, I mean, we didn't really see any, like anything too crazy up there. We're just kind of looking up and it's a very nice view that they have there. Not a whole lot of light. You can see a bunch of stars. And I just kind of like nudged my fiance and I was like, that, Hey, how about we, we try to summon a UFO.
01:23:04
Speaker
And not five seconds later, we see what looked like a shooting star. But you know how shooting stars that they kind of have like these thin tails and they're a little bit long. This one was really, really bright. And it was probably like 10 to 15 times the thickness of a regular shooting star. It was like just gigantic, bright, thick light. And it just, it shot across.
01:23:33
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for what looked like just a little tiny distance and then it stopped. And it wasn't as if like a shooting star happens. And like, when you see the tail, you don't actually see anything.
01:23:48
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like stop, you don't see a star. You don't see the actual comet or meteor, whatever it is itself. The whole apparatus just sort of dissipates. Well, this, we saw a light stop at the moment where the tail ended. And then this light, it broke off into four other lights. Now this looked like it was up like
01:24:13
Speaker
70,000 feet. I mean, this looked like it was as high as like the stars in the sky. So one of the lights goes straight back because it just starts moving in this weird, slow manner straight back. So that's the one that I follow. I look at that light and I'm following it back behind me until it disappears behind the house.
01:24:36
Speaker
Then I look back and I see, so what that leaves three lights there, there were three more lights. So I look back and I see two lights. Everybody else is seeing three, but for some reason what I was looking at, I just saw the two and I saw them in formation. They, they, they were like stuck in formation, but they were moving and they were spinning and moving like.
01:25:02
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what looked to me is like they were moving through other stars and I was like that does not happen in nature but everybody else they saw three which made this thing a triangle and my fiance Alana and her friend they both
01:25:19
Speaker
They both said afterward, they were like, you, you saw that too, right? Like, like, that wasn't my, my imagination. And what they also saw, which was really compelling was when this triangle shape would move.
01:25:33
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Um, beneath a star, it would cover up the star. Like the star would disappear under what looked like a shape. So again, I didn't see this thing as a shape. I just saw it as like two stars at the very end moving around because I was busy following the other one. Right. Which I mean.
01:25:52
Speaker
Strange celestial event is what I like to call it. I don't know what the hell it was, but... Well, the interesting thing about that too is like you mentioned, like they saw like the triangle. There's a ton of sightings that people have with black triangles.
01:26:08
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There's some that are called the TR-3B. That's like the size of like a fighter plane maybe and it's a triangle with a red dot on the bottom which is said to be our tech that we created based off of the crash retrievals that we could mimic it but not quite perfect it so that's a TR-3B. And that's kind of like a mythos around it. I don't know if it's real.
01:26:34
Speaker
But there's that, but also a lot of like really crazy anomalous sightings that people have had and experiences is black triangles that are massive. I'm saying massive, like bigger than a warehouse.
01:26:49
Speaker
If it was up, you know, towards like upper atmosphere, it would have to be very large to even recognize it as a triangle. But people have seen those craft and said that they like literally reached like farther than they can see with their eyes. People have seen them and said it looked like a super Walmart, like a Walmart super center, like just absolutely massive.
01:27:12
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people have also saw them and said miles like so it's funny that you mentioned like a triangle because those that's one that is definitely often seen and associated with like very large size yeah this one would have been miles that's how big it was because it looked really really high up it looked like they were moving stars but yeah
01:27:36
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as if they were part of an object because they weren't, they weren't breaking apart. The only one that broke apart was that one that I mentioned that I followed. It was one light because like initially it came in and then it broke off into four. The three that it broke off into never moved away from one another. It stayed in formation as if it was one object. The other one that I looked at was just a random one that was just gliding backward. And of course I choose the wrong one to look at.
01:28:03
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It's crazy though, also that like you've said, right before it happened, you looked at, you know, the people you're with that are like, oh, let's sub in a UFO. See, it's things like that that are very crazy to me. Like the weird, synchronistic type things like went, same with my sighting. It was like the perfect moment that I happened to look at. I'm thinking about UFOs also. That's why I'm looking up. I'm like, oh, hopefully I'll see something.
CE5 Contact Methods and Cultural Practices
01:28:29
Speaker
And then I saw those. And then, you know, you were just saying,
01:28:33
Speaker
Like, I really want to see something. Well, you saw that, but I want to see something again too. So we talk about, you know, possibly doing CE5. CE5 is just for people that don't know. It's just like a method that people use and it's supposedly tried and it works.
01:28:51
Speaker
that you know you get like a group of people and some people do it on their own but it's better to have like a group and all you do is just uh go to like a quiet place with a good view of the night sky and you know you basically meditate with intent and there's like other methods to it where like you can get really good with it i guess some people
01:29:12
Speaker
say a method similar to that of like remote viewing almost like you project your location out in your meditation and you know there's different ways you can do it but this all still leads back to the consciousness aspect of it all.
01:29:28
Speaker
But yeah, so some people have, you know, sightings of, you know, you sit there with your group and you meditate with intent on having, you know, a contact with something. And there's a lot of people that say it works. I don't know. And I think it aligns with my perspective of the topic and the world, like just the way I would think that it could be possible to do that.
01:29:57
Speaker
and we talk about possibly doing it with getting a group together and where I live, it's actually, you do have a good view of the sky and when there's no clouds, there's not a lot of light pollution, it would be a pretty good spot. There's like a cornfield right across from my house and it's just skies, you know, you have a great view. So we could try that but the one thing I want to mention with that is like the tale of caution with CE5 because there is a phenomenon known as the Hitchhiker Effect.
01:30:28
Speaker
And this is often associated with Skimwalker Ranch. It's basically what it is, is that people will have an experience, and this happens, like I said, on Skimwalker Ranch. They'll go to the ranch, have an experience, and then take the experience with them, or they will be followed by it. There are stories of people at Skimwalker
01:30:49
Speaker
that have had like a weird experience, saw a light earth, like just saw something anomalous because Skimwalker Ranch is full of all different sorts of phenomena from UFOs to creatures to poltergeist to orbs, all sorts of just like a, what do they call it? It's like a paranormal Disneyland and
01:31:13
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There are stories of people that have studied the ranch and then moved all the way back across the country to the east coast and had like experiences in their home. And with Skimwalker, it's mostly bad experiences. It seems like sinister, trickster-like. But that same phenomenon, the hitchhiker effect is also just associated with the phenomenon in general with UFOs.
01:31:39
Speaker
So when you're doing CE5, there's no telling, like, you know, you could look at yourself as a beacon, calling out to the universe or calling out to whatever, just like trying to make contact. And there's no saying what you could possibly make contact with. So, you know, just assuming that it might work, which is definitely not a guarantee, and you do it and something happens. And, you know, the hitchhiker effect is
01:32:06
Speaker
It's reported, you know, significantly enough that I would take it into consideration before doing CE5 because I talked to you about it. Sometimes I don't know. I think maybe I should just shouldn't mess with that. It's like kind of like the Ouija board effect. I don't know if it's like, you know, you're getting into a meditative state, reaching out and trying to make a connection with an unknown entity.
01:32:31
Speaker
and you know some people who get into c5 and they start doing it there's like movies somewhat like they made a documentary but this group of guys um they call it just like summoning you know it and this is the thing it's often associated with steven greer because he put out the term ce5 and he practices it and he said he had the experience while he was meditating that's how he kind of
01:32:55
Speaker
He was like a meditation teacher and all this. He's also really big into the consciousness aspect of it all. And so he kind of brands this process, this meditation for connection as CE5, Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, which means when you make contact where the human is making contact with intent, rather than just like a ship showing up and scaring the shit out of you. You intentionally make contact.
01:33:23
Speaker
And this process, it's like some people will hear Greer's name and be turned off by it. He's a very like divisive figure. You either like think he's like hate him or, you know, I feel right down the middle with him. I think he says some good things, other things. And I mean, nobody's perfect. So I don't know. I listen to everybody and, you know, just try to discern what what I think it makes sense and aligns with what I understand.
Group CE5 Planning and Ethical Considerations
01:33:52
Speaker
But this process, my point is the CE5 process has existed for thousands of years. Like this isn't a thing that Greer made up 20 years ago. This is a thing that has existed through cultures forever. It's just, you know, contacting. It's the same thing we've been talking about.
01:34:13
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altering consciousness to contact something higher than yourself, an entity. Um, there's like definitely reports of, I mentioned before, like star people, all the rituals that tribes do in order to bring about these type of experiences. It's like a, it's something that's existed throughout history. So I do, you know, take it kind of seriously. A lot of people would just be like, ah, it's just, that's insane bullshit. But
01:34:39
Speaker
With consciousness and with, you know, a lot of people clear headed with intent and, you know, the ability to use their consciousness or try to hone it, I think something like that could be possible. And I think there's a reason why you hear about this type of practice throughout different cultures, you know, through time. You know, so I don't know if you want to do it, but I think I do, but other times I don't.
01:35:06
Speaker
Well, we have a small group of people who I think would love to do it and get together up here under the night sky and do it. And I mean, after experiencing some of the most beautifully profound psychedelic experiences of my life.
01:35:25
Speaker
I don't doubt anything that consciousness is capable of. To me, it's all possible. And who knows, man? I mean, it was it was weird.
01:35:38
Speaker
Saying to Alana, I want to summon a UFO and then five seconds later it happening. It's almost, to me, I almost consider it like a wink, you know, of the universe saying like here, you know, this works. It's kind of real, but again, don't fuck with it because same as psychedelics, same as any type of altered state of consciousness. So much research is required. So much caution I think is required and so much respect. If you're going to do something like CE five.
01:36:08
Speaker
You really want to center it with respect and love because I feel like that would give you the best chances to not encounter something that's nefarious and hopefully get something that is positive.
01:36:24
Speaker
They say that about astral projection also. It's like if you think of yourself like a radio and your frequency is like you're on a certain station because like let's say you're all like in a negative bad type mood, then that's what's going, you're going to experience in the astral. And you can kind of just by changing your consciousness is like turning the dial of a radio and you can tune into a higher plane.
01:36:50
Speaker
And I think it could be similar with CE5. Um, but you know, people, I wouldn't say with CE5 specifically, but there are people, like we talk about this topic, like being cool and stuff, but people will have had their lives ruined. And like mine's broken through this phenomenon. Like it's like, it is serious. And same goes for psychedelics. Like, like you said, we need that respect and understanding of what's happening because
01:37:19
Speaker
People have been torn to pieces by both of those things. You know, if you somehow have like a horrible deduction experience and you get shit rammed in your butt and like, you know, just like a scarring experience that shatters your world view at the same time as being like physically painful and terrifying, like that will change you forever.
01:37:42
Speaker
And all that is also possible with a psychedelic. You can have an experience you're not ready for. So these things are not to be toyed with. And that's why I take the psychedelics really seriously and I don't take them lightly.
01:38:00
Speaker
And I want to bring that same energy to CE5 if we do try that. I'm totally with you there. And, you know, as you and I are very like-minded in the way that we approach these types of things, the people that we would bring with us also are like-minded in that way. So I think that the odds are in our favor to have something positive happen, if anything happens at all.
01:38:23
Speaker
Yeah, and like my, um, my logical mind thinking about it's like trying to envision how we would do it and who would be there. And I think like, okay, well, I would say like 99% nothing is going to happen.
01:38:38
Speaker
and still a great positive because you're there with people you love having a meditation under the beautiful night sky. So it's still a fantastic experience. So CE5 has great branding, in my opinion. Like, you can't go wrong. It's not like, oh, fuck, man. Like, it's a beautiful experience if nothing happens because you're sitting with people you love, you're putting yourself in a deep relaxed state, pushing out the good energy and good vibes. Like, that's amazing. So even if nothing happens,
01:39:07
Speaker
I would still really enjoy the experience. And my logical mindset is definitely not. But then there's a part of me that believes something would happen. Just a small part of me when I let my logical mind go and just set it free and don't think about it. I just feel like with the people that we would have there and just with the location that I'm at and that I feel like we maybe see something.
01:39:34
Speaker
High level humans, high level location. I think we're bound to see something. Well, if we do that, well, hopefully, you know, maybe we'll see something and then, you know, do a little feedback report on that on the pod. Yeah. Maybe we can feature one or more of the people who are with us as well. If something does happen or even if it doesn't, we can just, you know, hang out and talk.
01:39:56
Speaker
And we talked about the other day, which is getting a little excessive, um, doing the C five and bringing the eclipse pipe, which is the, you know, we get in a C five circle and have some DMT experiences too. That would be overkill, but I think that, or, you know, maybe like a low dose mushroom journey, like during the experience itself, who knows?
01:40:19
Speaker
Yeah, and I would say probably low dose. Um, because if you get in, once you get on a high dose, it could be pretty crazy, but to get everyone on the same page might be. It's hit or miss. We would either all be exactly on the same page or everybody would be going through some wildly different shit. And also at a certain dose, everything up there looks like an alien spacecraft. So you get to be sober enough to know that what you're seeing is real and not just like a vision of the experience itself.
01:40:49
Speaker
And even when I set a high dose in doing it, the CE5, I envisioned it more of just us sitting in a circle doing and having the eyes closed and making contact. Not visually necessarily, but with the intent trying to have the closed eye inner experience with something. I'm glad you brought up closed eyes. So when you're doing CE5, are you meditating with closed eyes and then everyone opens them at the same time and looks up or like, how does that work?
01:41:19
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Do you know? I think like, see, I don't think there's necessarily a like, exact way you have to do it. I would say the way to do it would be we sit there and meditate for a while, eyes closed. And, um, you know, just sit there, eyes closed, no problem. And then if you start to feel maybe a little something.
01:41:40
Speaker
just sit, look at the sky, maybe, um, say, Hey, let's look up for a little bit. And then, you know, look around, maybe then just go back to meditating. I would say mostly closed eye for a while and then spend some time looking at the sky. Like say you meditate for 15 minutes and somebody feels like, Hey, maybe I want to look up right now, look up and then
01:42:03
Speaker
We all may just sit there and look up still in like a meditative state with intention and look at the sky for a little bit and just, you know, breathe and keep the intent. And then you could close your eyes again and go back into like a meditation and just kind of repeat that, you know.
01:42:19
Speaker
I would say like mostly eyes closed for me personally with the meditation go as deeply in as I can and then frequently Somewhat frequently look up at the sky and then we could all enjoy the stars together and then go back into a meditation Sounds perfect, man. Yeah, we'll make that happen and report back to everyone Yeah, unless I bitch out which we are known to do now. We'll do it this summer. We'll do it. I
01:43:53
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