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Homecoming SZN Part 3: Back on Campus
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It’s Homecoming 2022 and we’re finally back on campus! In this episode we will discuss a new majorette team at USC, Breast Cancer Awareness Month, Rihanna head lining Super Bowl 2023, Supreme Justice Ketanji Brown formally sworn-in, Morgan State University Osetopatic Medical School in the works, ADHD Awareness Month, a change in the Student Loan forgiveness program, Nia Long and Ime Udoka, and much more!
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Introduction and Homecoming Wishes
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Hey, SNMA, it's student Dr. Isabella. Student Dr. Erica. And it's your boy, Dr. Aldrin White Co. Poppy and Rich and Doc BX, Bronx Neuro Deal. We want to wish y'all a happy homecoming. Be safe. Enjoy the tailgates, bars, and events. Let's go. The view expressed on this podcast represent only those of the hosts and do not represent the views of the Student National Medical Association.
Podcast Focus and Guidelines
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During the Black Men in Medicine Strategy Summit, sponsored by the Action Collaborative for Black Men in Medicine, this event will drive the development of national strategies and effective practices to increase the number of black men in medicine. The two-day summit will be held at the AAMC headquarters in Washington, D.C. on October 20th and 21st, 2022.
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The Strategy Summit is open to all organizations and individuals who are invested in contributing to systemic solutions to increase the representation of Black men in medicine. Register at wamc.org slash ACS Strategy Summit. You know what time it is?
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Hello, everyone,
Black Men in Medicine Strategy Summit
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and welcome to SNMA Presents the Lounge. Whether you're in the student lounge, doctor's lounge, or lounging around at home, get ready to join SNMA for meaningful conversations on topics affecting minorities in medicine and groups that often sit at the margins of healthcare. I'm student Dr. Isabella,
Favorite Homecoming Events
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and it is officially homecoming season. Woo-hoo!
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So question of the day, what is your favorite homecoming event and why? That's easy for me. It's yard fest. So yard fest, I think is I don't know if it's specific. I don't think it's specific to Howard. I think almost every HBCU has like a variation of like a yard fest, but it's pretty much just like musical performances on the big communal space.
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Um, so a pretty much a free concert for howard. It's like I think it falls on the friday of that weekend So usually it's like from the afternoon to the evening We don't know who the artists. I mean are right now at this point They haven't dropped the lineup but when that comes just whoever's coming i'm gonna be there regardless But that's definitely my favorite event because like everybody usually comes out to that that's probably one of the biggest events and it's just it's
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like artists just coming up to your campus and performing and you don't have to worry about buying a ticket and that's kind of like something that you can't get just every day, right? It's like very specific to the homecoming weekend. So that's always like my most memorable and enjoyable event for me. What about you guys?
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I would say like the tailgates, just meeting people, walking around, connecting, possibly finding your wife, husband, your errand, whatever the case may be. I think the main thing is like being able to
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finally be in person, I think is definitely true. That's a fact. Like at the end of the day, we've just been so accustomed to doing things virtually for the last two, three years and now people could hug each other, see each other in a non-COVID environment, I hope, and get some bottles, pop some bottles, get that barbecue, right? See who you got to see and just interact in the love and the spirit of what Black accomplishment is.
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Hey everyone, it's student Dr. Erica Dingle. And so I'm gonna kind of steal Aldwins, but then I have my own. So no, like the tailgate is definitely a favorite.
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of Homecoming because people got chicken, fried fish. Yes, everybody is around and about. The libations are flowing in all sorts of ways. But specifically at Hampton University's Homecoming, my favorite event is now
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It's like a happy hour that occurs at multiple bars. It's almost like a bar crawl. And by the time 2 a.m. rolls around, it is just bliss. Yeah, that's my favorite part. But like overall, if I had to go to other homecomings, it would be the tailgate, for sure.
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For sure, for sure. You guys haven't touched Howard yet. That's why you guys didn't say Yardfest. Now, once you experience Yardfest, it's all going in the trash. It's Yardfest all the way I'm telling you. So I feel like Yardfest would be cool if it was artists that I listened to. I feel like now, who they going to bring out, unless they brought genuine, then I would definitely enjoy myself because I get to see him dance.
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and do these crazy moves, possibly even Diddy, because he was out here looking type crazy on the stage the other night. But yeah, I think back in the day with good artists, I would agree with you 100%.
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I think they got to bring them all back. I feel like we just exploded all the HBCUs again. There was a whole momentum a year, two years ago. Even high school athletes were signing up to go to HBCUs. You know what I mean? Luda, Teddy, they was all showing mad love. Now it's like, yo, where you at? I just forgot about what the energy is like. We still need to uphold and maintain our HBCUs and the right energy. You know what I mean? They taking it somewhere else.
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Agreed. Shout out to all the schools that are celebrating Homecoming, HBCU, PWI alike. And in the interest of Homecoming celebration, it's time to run the list. So for our preclinical students, running the patient list on the wards allows the team to address pressing matters of the day. And in this segment of the show, we'll be discussing some recent events in medicine and beyond affecting our communities and the populations we serve.
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So back
Cultural Appropriation: Cardinal Divas Discussion
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to homecoming. You guys, you know, have probably seen
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a lot of buzz around a new majorette team that has started and it's not at a HBCU or historical black college or university. And the history of the majorette, this is something that started at black colleges. So majorettes are either baton twirlers whose performances
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often accompanied by dance movement or gymnastics. I think modern day majorettes, they just dance, right? We see them getting it in, doing the eight counts, four counts, et cetera. And it's also a term that is used to describe a female drum major who would lead bands during parades and in some cases serve as a liaison between a band and his director.
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Prior to the 18th century, drum majors were affiliated with military groups, but specifically these majorette dance lines are most closely associated with HBCUs in the southern United States and are often partnered with universities marching bands. So
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The issue at hand is there's a new majorette squad known as the Cardinal Divas at the University of Southern California, PWI. And there's been a lot of controversy surrounding this newly found dance group for a number of reasons.
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You know, it seems to be a HBCU predominated activity, but who's to say that, you know, you can't be at a PWI and have a Black experience. So our discussion right now is going to center around your thoughts and the backlash that they're getting. I know where I stand, but I'd love to hear your thoughts.
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Yeah, they didn't they don't want me to speak on it. We do. We do. Because I'm just going to upset a lot of people. Well, you know, it's not it's kind of not in people's favor if you go to a PWI to have three HBCU grads on this podcast.
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I don't think it's going to help. The bias is just going to be there, but I will say on my end, I don't understand what's going on here in terms of like this majorette thing at a PETA. I mean, I.
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You know, it's one thing to want to create a safe space for black people at schools. Like I'm always going to be a proponent of that. But it's another thing to like do this thing where we're taking something that kind of is centered around HBCU culture and just dropping it like.
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anywhere and just then saying, oh, well, we're creating a safe space. Like there's other ways that you could still create a safe space without calling it something that is specific to HBCU culture. So like you want to make a new club called the Cardinal Divas or whatever they call it. That's fine.
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What's it like call it a major at dance line is like it's giving it's a stretch because it's not. It's not like native to this the institution so like how can you just call it something that's not me you know like i don't know it's feeling forced to me like i think if you wanna have like a dance type of.
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group at the school that is like made by black women and kind of has a similar like sound to what we do at HBCUs, that's fine. But then like to call it what that is, and then it's not out of HBCU, I just can't vibe with that. Like I can't, I just don't understand it. But you know, if you guys have different opinions, I'm here. But that's just kind of where I stand on the situation.
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Yeah, I know how I feel. Shout out to the Black Queens at the end of the day. I really love the energy they're bringing and unapologetically being in a space where people feel threatened. They feel intimidated by that Black power, that melanin in their skin because it's so different. It's so not used to what they're accustomed to and that confidence, that courageousness. I really love and appreciate that. I feel like we need to be in all of these spaces so that people
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can learn to appreciate what we bring to the table as a Black community. We are already in so many different shapes and forms around the country in terms of hip-hop, the culture. People want to be like us. They want to look like us. They want to sound like us. They want to feel like us. They want to walk like us.
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Of course they're going to talk about it. Of course they're going to be the talk of the town. You know what I'm saying? So we got to hand it down to these wonderful ladies. And I think that this is going to usher in the spirit of what it's like to be a black woman or a majorette actually in different components around the country. I feel like we got to support them in these instances because so many people, again, are trying to antagonize them and make them feel like
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they don't deserve to do that. And I love the dangerousness that they bring into this. We know what it is, right? People need to be aware that we show up and we show out, especially in these spaces where you're talking about football, we're talking about thousands of people that are not of color and they standing up and people are learning to value that what we say, what we preach is important.
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because it's not just about individuals, about what we can bring to the game and bring to this table. And these women, they're explicitly showing we don't care what people feel, how they feel. At the end of the day, you're going to get this energy, you know? So shout out to them. How you feel about that, Erica?
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So I completely get where it is that's coming from, because Black college graduates, we're so protective of our personal experiences at HBCUs. And honestly, let's call a spade a spade. HBCUs played a crucial role in educating Black Americans when PWIs, they wouldn't admit us. So I think there is a necessary
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it's necessary to protect that so that it never becomes diluted. Like, it means going to a HBCU, you talk to anybody that went to one and everyone's experience is just, you know, like you get, you learn about your self-worth, right? And that's not to say that you won't add a PWI. Maybe we take it to the next level because we drank the Kool-Aid, but whatever. But, you know, I question
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how judgmental I wanna be for this young lady wanting to start a group at a PWI, because who's to say that she had the funding to attend an HBCU? I don't know where they're from, but sometimes HBCUs right now are upwards of $40,000 tuition a year. And who's to say that
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You know, maybe she was inspired by Beyonce's homecoming performance and wanted to be a part of something like that, wanted to express her creativity in that manner. Like, am I one to say you can't do that because you can't afford to go to a school that actually affords these opportunities? And then I'll speak as a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Incorporated, you know,
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We have sororities and fraternities at PWIs. So in the future, should my daughter or son not be allowed to become a member of whatever organization if they're at a PWI that doesn't have this organization? It's just because they want the experience, they want the brotherhood or the sisterhood, it's really
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It's controversial, and even on, I forget, I know they weren't on the Jennifer Hudson show, but we have a quote, I believe from CBS News, where one of the members said, we did get a lot of backlash and controversy about bringing HBCU culture to a PWI, Robinson said.
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So, but I believe as Black students, we deserve a space to feel comfortable and to bring our culture. And it's like, yeah, who am I to say that they can't experience that outside of being at an HBCU?
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And as you said it, maybe if they named it something different, like a dance team versus the majorettes, it probably would have been more palatable. But it is what it is. And they looked good. They weren't out here looking crazy. At least they not swag surfing at a PWI looking crazy. At least they looked like something. Instead of twerking. Like what?
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They would probably get picked by some of the best bands. That's a fact. You know, you made a good point, right? In terms of like comparing being a member of a sorority, a black letter sorority and it being at other PWIs. I think that's slightly different, right? Because the intention of the founders was actually to expand outside of like,
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wherever it was founded, right? Like to create chapters of the other school versus like who's the one who created the majorette, like HBCU majorette dance lines to give that like, here's the green light to expand past HBCU, like say if that was the case, like, oh, yeah, this is something with the intention of like, all schools having this for all black students, I'd be more amenable to that. But it's the fact that it's like, it's just one isolated or a couple isolated people who said, let's just do this thing and then call it the name.
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of, you know, that's kind of what's not really rubbing me right. But I think kind of back to what I had said before, if they had called it, if it was like a group that they made or like a club or something that's like more specific to their own idea versus like using a name that's not really representative of the original intention. That's kind of what, you know, like had me. I don't know. But I do see your point. And I do agree that like I'm always for black woman or black people trying to create spaces for themselves wherever they can.
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Is a name as much as it is important the action they did though? Like I feel like we can kind of separate that and tease that out. Like okay the name is what it is but what the move that she's creating it's fundamentally
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something different. And again, she was unapologetic. She was unafraid. And a lot of people will be inspired by that because there's so many black individuals that are PWIs that feel like constrained. They feel like they got to act a certain way and move a certain way and feel like they are not entitled and empowered by their blackness because people will look at them differently or people will feel like, oh, you threaten again, threatening the status quo.
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But I think our duty is to be confident and wherever we walk because people will recognize us because in those spaces, we are already limited as is. So why not take advantage of that opportunity to catapult us ourselves to the next level of excellence? And that's what she did. And I think that all of us should be inspired by that. You know, even for myself, I'd be in the hospital and I feel like
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I'd be walking the hospital. Honestly, I'd be with my hoodie in the hospital. Even today, one of my senior residents was like, yo, one of the tenants was like, you wearing your hoodie is unprofessional. But it's because they intimidated. I'm professional. I see all my patients I put the work in. But when you walk in a different light, people feel a different type of way about you because they don't understand what they can't understand they hate. But we always show love.
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Always. Yeah. I see all sides of the coin. I think it is about the name, but you know what? Aldo and I respect your opinion.
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to the next topic. But I think on that note though, there's been other things happening that other HBCUs kind of keeping with that same light of creating spaces and doing new things to continue to push for Black people and getting into, you know, professions and careers that we typically weren't thought of in mind when
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they were made. So Morgan State being one school who has actually started, um, the kind of green plant or the green light of trying to make a green medical school. So I think that's amazing because there's only been about three medical schools. Charles drew more house in the Harry's. So, oh wait, Charles drew more house to Harry and then Howard. I'm like, how am I going for my own school? Sorry. All four schools.
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for schools. But now, and it's actually supposed to be a DO school. So this is more Aldwin's territory of osteopathic medicine. So I think that's actually really good. So we're also kind of diversifying the people who are doctors and the titles that we hold, MD versus DO, like does it really matter? And so now kind of putting that in HBCUs, I think is going to be like a great initiative. So I'm super excited about that.
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I love it. And it's gonna help a lot because less than 2% of the D.O. medical students are blacks, you know, and the diversity is certainly needed. And then when we talk about diversity efforts and, you know, to be on, you know, realistic and be honest with y'all, most of the D.O. schools don't even have a DEI office. I think it's like 50 to 60% of them.
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but actually on the MD side, every MD school is mandated in the United States to have a DEI office. So I think this is definitely going to change the game and usher in another generation of physicians of color and predominantly that are willing to serve in their community and feel entitled like they can do more. And especially the fact of the matter is the location that they're going to be in Maryland too is really key and important.
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And I hope that we start more Black DO schools. And I really hope that we start more, you know, HBCUs overall. I think there's a need for that, right? We closed down. They were closed down in 1910, you know, four or five HBCU med schools, which would mean 50,000 more of us. So we're going to close that gap.
00:20:31
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I love it. Yeah, I think this will definitely help our communities because there's so much that our communities suffer from with health disparities and the lack of us, just the lack of us in medicine. And we already know, you know, you're happier when you're
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typically happier when you're a person of color going to a practitioner as a person of color. And especially with a sensitive topic such as breast cancer, you know, this is Breast Cancer Awareness Month. It's, you know, heavily celebrated across the globe. This month, rather, is heavily celebrated across the globe.
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And globally, breast cancer is the most frequently diagnosed cancer and leading cause of cancer, death in women. In the US alone, breast cancer is the most commonly diagnosed and second leading cause of death, cancer death in women.
00:21:31
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And some stats for you, the American Cancer Society 2020 estimates for breast cancer in the United States. These numbers are ridiculous. 287,850 new cases of invasive breast cancer.
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51,400 new cases of ductal carcinoma in situ, which is the presence of abnormal cells in the milk duct that has not yet spread beyond the duct and approximately 43,250 women will die of breast cancer. It's just, I feel like until you are faced with it or like there's somebody that's
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adjacent to you, it doesn't really kind of hit like these stats hit because I have, and we're in our 30s I like I've known at least five people, five women in their 30s have been diagnosed over the last five years.
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And that's just who I know. Like I know other people that have said it, and even some younger. So we definitely want you all to take preventative measures, breast self exams. What else? Other ones that you guys want to list?
00:22:43
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I think even especially when we talk about black women who they are devastated by breast cancer in terms of the mortality rate because the education awareness is not there and understand of course it's the medical aspect, the medical history that preludes us and oftentimes people avoid physicians but your health
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is your wealth at the end of the day. And oftentimes, I think that we got to bring into the discussion, why is it important for you to be aware of your own body and why is it important to communicate what's going on with your body, with your primary care provider, and then also have a primary care provider that you see
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diligently every year so that you have access to the appropriate resources, right? Understanding when to get mammograms, understanding how to share that knowledge and understand that information could lead to longevity of life, or it could actually deter you from living that longevity. I've seen, even in my four months in residency, there have been a couple invasive breast cancers, unfortunately, that have affected women of color. And the stories you see, how it goes on,
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They saw their physician too late, unfortunately. And nothing to say against those particular individuals, but I think that having that accessibility and that awareness and having that knowledge put out there and sharing and disseminating that so that we can change those disparities is really key.
00:24:05
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Yeah, I did. When I was on my surgery rotation, I did a breast cancer, breast surgery elective for two weeks. So I saw a lot of women met a lot of women. Yeah, who had breast cancer. I mean, sadly, though, most of the patients were actually not black women. But the funny thing is that more black women die from breast cancer than white women because
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of screening, you know, screening disparities. You know, white women know, oh, we have to get the mammogram at this point in time and, you know, see your physician at this point in time. And a lot of time, black women, they're not informed at that same rate. And so, but then they still get it and even get it at higher rates, but they're seen too late.
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So it is something that's very devastating, especially in the Black community. So I think spreading awareness of this is very key. Even one of our own previous podcast members, Ade, has like contributed to this plight. She is like a wear figs ambassador and she did like a little photo shoot wearing the wear figs scrubs and like kind of did like the shoot promoting breast cancer awareness.
00:25:09
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It was really inspiring to kind of see a black woman a part of that because I think that's important because like I said, we're the ones who actually suffer more in this disease. So I think that was a really good, good thing to see. Yeah, she actually shared a quote on her, I believe it was her Instagram. I've seen many black women disproportionately impacted by breast cancer, including my aunt.
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Although there have been strides in management and treatment, more work needs to be done. So shout out to you, Dr. Ade. Shout out to her. Shout out to the queen. Yes, ladies, go. Listen, speak to your doctor the minute you feel a lump.
00:25:47
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tell your doctor, you can get an ultrasound done ASAP. Um, if you notice any new lumps, marks or bruises on your breasts, it's, you know, you need to know when it's time to start getting mammograms and other screenings according to your history. So with Aldwin Isabella said, you got to stay proactive and on top of your health for sure. Yep. That's a Fendi fact.
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Yeah, so kind of moving along with our run the list, though, I think it's nice that we're talking about black women and that we're talking kind of about bringing more awareness to these things that we suffer from these things that we continuously try to fight against. One person being a woman who continues to fight in her own daily life, Katanji Brown Jackson, who was first black woman sworn into the Supreme Court. She had to go through a lot of barriers herself in her career.
00:26:41
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And she actually became, well, she already got sworn in in June 30th, 2022, but she had her investiture ceremony on September 30th. And it was attended by President Biden, Vice President Harris, and just other important people in the government, including the retired Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer, whom she actually once worked for as a law clerk. So I think, yeah.
00:27:06
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Yeah. So I mean, what do you guys think? How does it feel to finally have our first duly installed and celebrated black woman Supreme Court justice?
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It feels a little surreal still. Like, you know, on one hand, America seems so progressive, but then it's like, OK, like we have a black VP and I feel like we're all just kind of sitting there staring, waiting for something good, good to happen. Like, I don't know. It's it feels like, yes, change, change has come. But then I just don't want to be sitting back waiting. Hopefully change will really
00:27:43
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come, you know, with two black women in these prominent positions. But I'm happy for and I think it's inspiring the next generations of women in law and order.
00:27:56
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Yeah, I mean, I can't even say much different. Like, I'm really proud and encouraged. It's taken so long, you know, almost 200 years for this to happen. And our ancestors are just, you know, praising in their grave and wherever they are. And this is a true representation of
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what excellence means. And this is only the beginning. When we are in these spaces of political power, political influence, this only helps us because representation matters. Having that seat at that table, having someone that could advocate from the perspective of what we experience, especially in the country that was built from black and brown bodies. On our backs.
00:28:38
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Yeah, 100 percent. So I think that this is going to bring forth a level of unprecedented successfulness in the Supreme Court and then also in politics overall. So I'm
Lizzo and the Crystal Flute: Cultural Expression
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really happy to see that. Yeah. Let's stay on the topic of black women winning, shall we?
00:29:02
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I love it, man. Keep it coming. Black women. That's the end of it. What do you mean winning or losing? Hold on. Let's see for a second. Wait, hold on.
00:29:17
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And thank God you have Erika on your side all because if you did it, I think. She don't always be on my side. She neutral. I am a wonderful neutral part of your life. I love it. So, you know, I hear where you're coming from and I have my thoughts about what I'm about to talk about, but okay.
00:29:35
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Lizzo. I think Lizzo wins overall for a number of reasons, but Lizzo was the first person to play the crystal flute from Congress. So during a performance, you know, I don't want to focus on the performance so much because she twerked with the flute. Can't make it out. And I was not proud of that much.
00:29:56
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Lizzo during the performance, pop superstar. She played a 200-year-old crystal flute that once belonged to President James Madison. She did twerk while doing this. Let's just strike that from the record. But she did attend the Library of Congress.
00:30:16
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And she played a wonderfully beautiful song. And to see that, I was like, all right, Lizzo. The twerking with the flute, you don't get a pass, really. But I can forget about that, because I see how beautifully you played the flute in the Library of Congress. And she seemed very, very happy about it. Some celebrated this as, you know,
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proud black woman, classically trained flutist, and once playing a flute once owned by former president and slave owner, but others derided it as a degradation of history. So I'm eager. What y'all think?
00:31:03
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Yeah, let me go first because all ones about the space are out of pocket. You're about to say something so out of pocket. I'm looking at your face like this man is going to violate Lizzo. So let me just let me just let me let me set the scene and make it a bit positive for her.
00:31:20
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So I support Lizzo. I think, you know, what she represents is actually overall, like you were saying, Eric, a positive thing. Like this is a black woman, a plus size black woman who has created a space for herself in the industry. I think that's really important. Like I'm always going to support that.
00:31:35
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In terms of the twerking, yes, I agree. That's not, I don't think that was a good choice on her end, but I can understand if she did it to kind of stay true to herself and not feel like she had to conform to do this big historical thing. Okay. Like I can look at it from that perspective. Would I have done that? No. Just because I feel like the stakes are kind of high, you know, like this is the
00:31:58
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ex-presidents like flu and you know, there is just a lot going on. And I feel like people already have such like narrow mindsets when it comes to plus size black woman. So like, I feel like she maybe added too much fire to the flame. But you know, overall, I don't think it's something that we should call a degradation of history that might be a little bit extreme, like I wouldn't take it there. So I think
00:32:20
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She was in the position to do it because she's a classically trained fluidist like that's revealed that like that's what she does so I'm glad they chose her and I think like overall yeah like yeah maybe there was poor form and how she did it but I don't think we need to take it like to the extent of this is
00:32:40
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embarrassing history like I don't know history is already an embarrassment in itself when it like when we talk about how America was built so like they don't have much ground to play with with that anyway so that's kind of where I stand in that matter okay Aldon you could say whatever your opinion is you know you're gonna say anyway
00:33:01
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It's a degradation of their history, not my history. And when we talk about Lizone, one of the things that really annoyed me about this, and y'all know how I feel about slavery, is the fact that this flute was owned by a former slave master. That nasty man put his mouth all on that.
00:33:22
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and had all these, like, you know what I'm saying? His essence, his spirit is on that flute. And the fact that you're just smiling, feeling good energy about holding that, like, that ill will, the ill spirit of that individual, I don't even care, like, if he was a president or not. Like, the fact of the matter is, like, I would nowhere near touch that flute because the representation of that is white supremacy. It is
00:33:44
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institutional racism. It is stereotype threat. It is the perpetuation of why our black communities do not continue to excel in the way that they need to. And so I think it was a disgrace for her to really honestly accept that. And then also
00:34:00
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No, I mean, that's just really how I feel. You know what I'm saying? I feel like she could have utilized that platform to say, hey, here is the flute of such and such, right? This is what this means to me. And this is how y'all should take it. And it should be an educational centerpiece to say, this is where we were at 200 years ago. And this is what this flute embodies. But this is where we are now. And this is what I embody. And this is what I want to feel like I need to talk to you about and feel real about and communicate.
00:34:28
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So for me, at the end of the day, like, that's one of the main things. And also, like, I understand. I feel like if she wanted to twerk, do you think, do you think? Of course. No, no. But I'm just saying, like, you're not serious. But he is. I'm just like serious.
00:34:45
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No, no, no, like live your life. But I think that there's certain moments in certain situations that you got to capitalize. And I feel like she didn't really capitalize on that. She, again, perpetuated that stereotype of what black people need to do when they get the camera on them.
00:35:02
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Twerk, twerk, quirk. Use your words. Don't use those actions. Use your words to calculate the audience, bro. Like, that is such an important special moment that we just took a huge L on. In my personal opinion. And yes, black positivity and all that good stuff. I understand that, you know, but
00:35:21
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I totally agree. If it was our platform, then I guess, but it's not a platform that you could utilize like that. There's consequences that come with that action. And that's why today when people see a black woman, they objectify her and look at her like, oh, she's going to twerk. She's going to be dancing. She's going to be doing splits and this and that. Versus seeing her in the light like, oh shit, doctor, she valid. You know what I'm saying? They don't see it that way because of those actions.
00:35:47
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I actually want to know, well, first, so in terms of degradation of history, I want to be clear because you said something all of a sudden that kind of made me think of it. They degraded, you know, they feel like it's a degradation of their history and it's not your history. So these remarks came from more so white conservatives who were big mad. OK. Right. But aside from that, I want to know
00:36:15
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I have a feeling Lizzo did not reach out to them and say, hey, let me play y'all's flute. I feel like there's something coming in the pipeline. And maybe, I don't know, maybe they needed some publicity. That's what I'm thinking. I actually even had a counterpoint too, actually, to Aldwin, what's your statement about
00:36:36
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like the fact that he's an ex-slave and she shouldn't have put her mouth on the flute. I think that's even more of a reason why she should have put her mouth on the flute. I think that's even, yeah. Like ex-slave owner, you should do that because who cares? You are going directly to what he wants. No, but literally that means that like you don't have a hold on a black woman and what she can do. Like I can play your flute despite the nonsense that you did. Like I feel like it's almost like saying a big, you know what, to the person in the grave, you know?
00:37:05
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I didn't say the word because this is a podcast and we are G rated, but you understand what I'm saying? So I personally, that was even more of a reason why she should have played that flute. But I do understand your perspective as well. You know, I think the times the times have changed. Like if it was like in the 1850s, 1840s, yeah, I think it would be a significant monumental moment, of course. But now it's like anybody could do that. What does that action truly mean to me? It really doesn't mean anything to me.
00:37:32
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Because again, it's their history. History is written by the victors, not by the truth seekers. Okay, dropping this knowledge, history, truth seekers. But I feel like, you know, switching points, switching the game plan, like, instead of talking about Lizzo, we got this Supreme being on deck, Brianna.
00:37:54
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You just said, let's put a skirt on Lizzo and go to the real person of interest. I feel, I don't know how I feel about the way you transitioned. The Beijing, the Beijing queen. I wish y'all could see my face right now.
00:38:14
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That's that's just how to keep it 100, you know, keep it one stack, you know, it's too funny. But we know who the supreme being is the Beijing Queen Rihanna. Hi, I feel like she's about to take the stage at the Super Bowl.
00:38:29
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2023. And it's been a long time coming. The last major performance. We've been waiting for this so long. We're waiting for albums, we're waiting for a performance, we're waiting for her to go to concert. And the last time she did this was when she performed wild wild thoughts. Come on, join me.
00:38:47
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Wow. Hey, with DJ Khaled. And I'm with you. She got those vocals. Everyone started singing, I told me to do my own little, you know, my own little warm up on the mic. But yeah. I'm a little nervous, straight hit me. I could dig it. I can't.
00:39:07
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You know, it's crazy. She was
Rihanna at the Super Bowl: Career Implications?
00:39:09
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offered a chance to perform at the halftime show, but turned it down allegedly to support Colin Kaepernick. How do you think about this, like, apparent reversal? What's going on with that? I think. Oh, sorry, go ahead. No, OK. No, no, actually, Erica, I start this one off for us. Well, I feel like Jay-Z is very involved with
00:39:35
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the NFL at this point in terms of the halftime shows. And I just feel like since his involvement, we're going to see a lot of halftime shows of black folk moving forward. And I'm OK with that. That'll be probably the only part that I watch, sorry to say. But I think she'll put on a great show.
00:39:59
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But yeah, I really do appreciate, I don't, I can't speak to the role that he's playing, but I know Jay-Z is heavily involved in that. Like we saw last year's halftime show head. All of the LA artists from back in the day, Dr. Dre, we had Eminem, we had Mary J. Blige, like it was a movie. So for yeah, 50 Cent, it was like for what it's worth, I, you know,
00:40:26
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I think it's cool that with the Colin Kaepernick thing, like we know with listen, the NFL going NFL, just like white people going white people, like I don't expect much else from them at this point. And if the best that they can do is provide us with a good halftime show, then OK, I guess I know that's not the best response, but that's how I feel.
00:40:51
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Yeah. And I think like the fact that Rihanna, she knows she's just been away for so long at this point. Like I think this is just her maybe going back to something that I think she's always had a love for, but she just had to take a break. She's been doing her little businesses. She's been doing Fenty Beauty, Fenty Skin. I haven't seen Fenty. Being a mom. Right, exactly. Like literally having a whole child. Like she's just been doing a lot of different things. So I think like maybe this is just her going back to something that she's like used to and
00:41:18
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and has a love for and of course her her change in heart like time has passed we've everyone has knelt down everyone has said their piece are we going to be doing that for years on end like at some point we have to continue to move forward we've set our our part like let's find other ways that we can still put ourselves out there and be a part of the culture without having to like hold ourselves back because of ignorance from white people like we can't just is she going to not do what she loves because of that i don't really feel like
00:41:48
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That's like a good excuse. She already said no at the time when it was very prevalent, when there was things to be said. Now is 2020. It's going to be 2023. She has she's probably in a different place where she actually wants to be a part of that. And I think it's fine to change your mind. You think she's going to return to music after this, though? Or do you like that? I mean, I know my thoughts, I think.
00:42:13
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I think she is probably already returning to music and we just don't know it yet. I would, I don't know if she would drop a new song at the Super Bowl maybe before so we could rock to it and actually enjoy her performing it. Yeah.
00:42:32
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I feel like it's a low chance of that happening. I think, I think she's done. Like I'm just keeping it real. I think she's done. Yeah. Like, I feel like we keep going back and forth about this whole, is she dropping? She's, I think she's done. Once you're a musician, you always a musician. How many times you've heard someone be like, I'm retiring. Like today I saw Styles P is retiring from doing solo rap and is going to only be doing music with the locks. I'm like, I know damn well you're going to be doing your own joint too.
00:42:59
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Everybody ends up retiring and coming back. It may not be in the time period that all the audience wants them to come back. She didn't drop an album in mad long, but she will drop an album. Same thing with Beyonce. She took years and years to drop her last album. People, they love the game. That's why they became part of musicians. It's just like how medicine is for many people, not like me, because that changed my mind about it. But just like people are passionate about that. You get away from the game, you always want to come back.
00:43:27
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The same thing comes with music. People, they may take a break, like you said. She's taking care of her family. She's doing a thing with ASAP Mob and all that. But she still feels connected to the point where she's going to perform the show. And I feel like she might drop something. That would be the perfect time. That's when we see all these commercials, movies, and different technology coming out when the Super Bowl drops. So I think that would be the greatest marketing move ever, honestly, if she ever did that.
00:43:57
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Agree. Yeah, it's possible. I just, I think she's done, but you know, you do, you have a good point. Speaking of music though, you know, Rihanna clearly, she's always gonna have a place in the game, but some people, they, their time is up for real, for real. And I think the baby, I think his time is up.
00:44:20
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He has had a lot of things going on for him. Recently, this concept of him being blackballed. So, according to the rapper himself, he said they blatantly, or not, sorry, not the baby, but Meek Mill actually said that they blatantly blackballing the baby. Not my business, but I'm an observer. It responds to projections of the sales of his newest album, Baby on Baby 2, which only sold third.
00:44:46
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This album is called Baby on Baby, too. That's probably why. That's why it sold 1,500 units in the first week. Right. Like, what? So I think the question is, is he being blackballed? I would like to ask you the guys that I think he is, but I want to get you guys' perspective on everything that's been going on with him and where you guys think he stands right now in the industry.
00:45:13
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people, they just not rocking with his music. People have the opportunity to stream your music. If you put it out in a way that people cherish and they adhere to, they're going to listen. They're going to share with their homies, their sisters, their fathers, whatever the case may be. And I feel like people feel like they direction, the direction that his music is just stagnant. There's no evolution with what he got going on. And then even with his recent show, I think it was in Charlotte or something like that,
00:45:39
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they even like break like they wasn't even close to breaking even like barely anybody wants to show up they had to cancel the show I think they had like 500 people like buy a ticket for I don't know like 10 15,000 that was that's supposed to like be real with it so
00:45:55
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I feel like the baby, he got to go back to the drawing board and really realize who was the population that you're working with. I feel like musically, he's just in one position. And then also the media stuff, him getting to fights, always being man negative, always doing crazy stuff with his baby mama.
00:46:14
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like your audience is not going to cater to that. You know what I mean? Like you're not like YG or you're not like these gangster rappers that got like a select group of people that rock with your joint. You got a lot of women, you got a lot of people that like really support a certain style or certain thought and mind frame. And when you go against that grain, that's going to hurt you. You know what I mean? As we see
00:46:35
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also with Tory Lanez as well. So you've got to really move and navigate towards your audience. And I think that he's failed to do that and appreciate the importance of being realistic with what you want to accomplish.
00:46:46
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I feel like it's that movie 21 Jump Street, like the remake. Y'all remember when they went back to school, if you've seen it and like the popular kids were now like not cool and the nerds were cool. I feel like he's trying to be, or he's this person in a space where you have to be nice. Like you have to be likable.
00:47:09
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to maintain your fan base. Like you can't be out here disrespecting women, like you said, Aldwin, getting into altercations, making derogatory comments directed to a huge community, the HIV community during the performance. And one of the biggest concerts, Rolling Out Loud, sorry, Rolling Loud, Miami, you know, like there's, you literally just cannot do that anymore. It's not cool to be a bully. So he's,
00:47:38
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Go back to the drawing board with your name, fam. The baby, like, grow up on so many levels. This is not working. No, seriously. Yeah, I think... Anyway, I was never a DaBaby fan, so I don't have nothing to say in defense of him. Good luck, sir. That's all I can say to him. But...
00:48:00
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Another person I really want to talk about, and I think it's a nice transition from the baby because she actually is someone who's kind of very reminiscent, I think, in childhood type of acting. If you've watched iCarly or if you just watched Nickelodeon growing up, Jeanette McCurdy, she recently came out with a book kind of detailing
00:48:23
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a lot of things she went through as a child actor, a lot of tell all things. But I think the most specific thing was about the relationship with her mom, which was very, very just like negative, toxic in so many ways. Pretty much she had to go through a lot of therapy after her mom's death. And through those sessions, she actually was able to kind of confront all the abuse that she experienced from her mom during her childhood.
00:48:44
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And the funny thing is that, you know, I never knew she was somebody who never wanted to actually be an actress. It was literally the mom's dream for her. And she did it because the mom, like, said, hey, like, do you want to do acting? Like, this is something I wanted to do. I kind of placed it on her. And then just did a lot of other shady things like performing vaginal exams on her to check for cancer and breast disease, like very weird things. And she actually awaited bridges kind of to the black community because I mean, clearly, Jeanette McCurdy is not black.
00:49:10
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But she did do an interview with the Red Table Talk. So she spoke with Jada and Granny and Willow and all of them and kind of talked about this experience. And it was just... I think she's damn. Damn what you call her Granny. Listen, to me that's Granny if she wants to go by Gabby, but she's Gabby and Granny, whatever you guys want to call her.
00:49:39
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But it was kind of nice to talk about because I feel like, especially in the Black community, you don't really talk about, like, your parents, like, in that way, like, Oh, my parents abused me. It's kind of like a sensitive topic to talk about family abuse and stuff like that, because a lot of things just kind of stays hidden and kind of stays within the family. And
00:49:56
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you know it was a good thing to have somebody come to the table kind of speak about well sometimes you have parents who have like been a big aspect of the reason why you are traumatized to this day and having to rebuild from that so i think it's really it was a nice um it was a good idea for jada to decide to bring her on but i i think
00:50:16
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This is good questions to ask as a follow up. Like, what do you guys think in terms of anyone you guys know in your lives who has complicated relationship with their parents? Like, and also in terms of grief and it being such a complicated process, have you guys ever experienced grief for more of the loss of somebody who actually negatively impacted your life? So there's two questions to kind of sit on. Like, what do you guys think about about those? Um, to the first question, knowing
00:50:46
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of any or meeting someone in with complicated relationships with their parents. Um, I'm one of them. Yeah. So, um, yeah, I don't need to go into detail for the interest of time, but to your point, I think that
00:51:08
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we don't have these discussions a whole lot. I mean, I have an amazing friend group and group of vaults where I can kind of bounce stuff off of them. But even having both of my parents in my life, other friends having both of their parents in their life, they won't get it because they don't live my story. But I think what helps me deal with
00:51:33
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complications in parental relationships is knowing that everyone, or believing that everyone is doing the best that they can most of the time. I don't know what happened to, and it's my, my dad and I, we kind of go back and forth. We love each other, but we just, you know, sometimes we clash.
00:51:55
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But I don't know what his history was, you know, growing up that dictates how we are now. And I think it just you got to give people grace. So I'm happy that Jeanette
00:52:08
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went to therapy. It's sad that it happened after her mother's passing. Like you have to almost exonerate them in their death as opposed to being able to do it while they're alive. But that really does help when you like see it through that lens. Like, yo, I really don't know what is making them be this person.
00:52:28
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Yes, I might be in therapy as a result of it, but let me give them grace because there's no way I could possibly know what influenced them to be this way towards me. I think we see it a lot with, we're in medicine, parents put these standards on you. I don't know where your desires to become doctors came from, but I'd say probably 60% of med students are like, my parents wanted me to become a doctor, whether they were doctors.
00:52:56
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And that's something, a burden that we have to carry, similar to Jeanette. So yeah, I do think it's necessary to sit with yourself and, sorry, I went off on a tangent, but I think it's necessary to sit with yourself, go to therapy and really, you know, have some grace.
00:53:18
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Yeah, I think that was a great response. And in terms of like the question about grief. Yeah, like I think that's funny. Like you think about people who've died and whether they've negatively impact. Like people act like when someone dies, it has to be a positive thing. But just the other day, you guys were dancing on the grief of Queen Elizabeth. So I have you wondering, like, where? Oh, my God. What's the lie? Yes. Do we really grieve everybody? That's the thing. Oh, Jesus.
00:53:48
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So I think it's just also realizing that grief is not only limited to people that she respects. And I think it took a lot of grace for her to admit that, yeah, there was pain when she died because that's her mother, but at the same part, there may have been relief. And that's something to really sit with. That's something to really sit with. And I kind of think I'll end it there.
00:54:13
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That's mature. That was a mature statement. These are the hard conversations that people don't like to have to your point. No, that's a mature statement. Yes, there's sadness, but my goodness, will there or is there relief? Will there be or is there relief? Yeah. You're going to tap in on this all? I know you're good.
00:54:38
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Oh, I mean, yeah, I mean, I could type in, I wasn't sure. He said, next topic, next topic. I mean, I was gonna talk about it, but I'll let y'all do your thing. I would say like, in terms of like, in terms of like grief, you know, obviously everyone deals with grief differently as Isabella clearly mentioned.
00:55:03
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Elizabeth, I'm not even gonna call her queen. Oh my Jesus. Elizabeth, there was a grief process for me because I know that when she passed away that there was a segment of white supremacy and the unfortunate realization that she wouldn't apologize for her monarch's actions against my ancestors that has been lost. And the realization of that, there was grief in me.
00:55:32
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because there's so much opportunity that has been lost to us, to the world, to different countries, to different individuals that continues to perpetuate what it means to be in a monarchy. And so I think, you know, we having these discussions again, they are challenging, but grief is a very complicated process.
00:55:53
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And even, and I'm not gonna say her name, but even in my residency program, unfortunately, one of my co-residents, her father passed away from lymphoma right before residency started. And she relayed to me how every time she saw a patient who had
00:56:11
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their daughter in the room with their father and the father was sick. It just reminded her like that grief cycle. And she would have to go to the back room and cry and come to a realization that that person's father is there, but in essence, her father would no longer be there.
00:56:27
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it just reminded her like, how do I deal with this? How do I deal with this transition? So I feel like for all of us, like learning how to navigate that, it becomes very challenging in this life that is challenging in itself. And I feel like we shouldn't be ashamed about tackling and approaching grief, talking about it, discussing it with our loved ones, discussing even, she discussed it with me even as a stranger in many ways when we first started residency in having the confidence to say that
00:56:56
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Although it's challenging now, tomorrow could be always a better day. That person, that essence, that at least what I believe, that individual always will be with us. And regardless, negative or positive,
00:57:10
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There are stories, there are experiences, there are thoughts that they've laid a foundation with us, and we can carry that forward in a positive momentum for the world, for our community, for our children, for our families, and et cetera. So that's truly how I believe and feel about grief at the end of the day. Well said. Well said, all of them. Thank you. I think we've been talking a lot about awareness
00:57:39
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Now, just now, I realize it's also ADHD Awareness Month. Not only is it Breast Cancer Awareness Month and, you know, this is, this is a, in some ways, debilitating condition to live with. For a number of people, a lot of adults are now becoming diagnosed in their
00:58:04
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later years. Like, I don't know what happened where adults were misdiagnosed or just it was overlooked.
00:58:12
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years ago while they were like in elementary or kindergarten when you typically get a diagnosis. Um, but for our listeners, we love education here. So the mission of ADHD awareness month is to educate the public about ADHD by disseminating reliable information based on the evidence of science and peer reviewed research. And ADHD is a neural developmental disorder affecting 11% of school age children.
00:58:37
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symptoms continue into adulthood in more than three quarters of cases. And it's characterized by developmentally inappropriate levels of inattention, impulsivity, and hyperactivity. Sometimes you have trouble focusing. There's definitely the DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for ADHD,
00:58:58
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which includes symptoms of hyperactivity, impulsivity, and or inattention that occur in more than one setting and affect function. So you see this in like academic settings, social, emotional settings. And according to the CDC's 2019 data, 6 million children who aged 3 to 17, boys
00:59:23
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13% and more than girls, 6%. Non-Hispanic black, non-Hispanic white children, 12% and 10% respectively, are more often diagnosed than Asian or Hispanic children. I've
00:59:45
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heard so much ADHD or ADD flying lately. I don't know if it's because of our phones. I've read different reports, you know, children now are being inundated with more, what we call our phones. Yes, stimuli. Thank you. Thank you. Neuro neuro. Uh,
01:00:11
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surgeon, all of that stuff. I'm weak, not she threw the surgeon in there. Neuropsychologist. All right. So resident neurologist in training. Okay. Thank you. While speaking into his future, let me do what I do y'all. Thank you.
01:00:32
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Stimuli was the correct word. Like the phones, the iPads, the Disney Pixar's, you know, there's just so much coming at them versus back in the day you had Mr. Rogers, who's
01:00:48
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Each clip was like a specific number of clips, if that makes sense. Not each clip. Each show had a specific number of exposures, where now Disney Pixar has like triple the amount. So it's just information overload. So it makes you wonder, where exactly is this coming from? I would love to know all of them's thoughts. See how I did that? Yeah, I like that.
01:01:16
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You know, when we talk about our children and I think you made a great point in terms of the stimuli, the inundation, and then we got to be stimulated. It has to be moderate. So you don't want to be overstimulated to the point where your brain can't perceive of everything and really analyze and process everything. But then.
01:01:31
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you don't want to be understimulated either, where your brain can be able to progress and evolve. And I feel like, like you mentioned, we're in a space where our children, they don't even interact outside from a physical perspective. Like in terms of development, development is not just about exercising your brain. It's also about exercising your physical capabilities as well, because they work in tandem, right? Great physical health,
01:01:54
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works on your mental health and great mental health in terms of like evolving, doing, you know, puzzles and etc. So reading also works on your physical health as well. I mean, they counterbalance each other. And we're at a point in our society where our children don't have the capabilities to be children
01:02:10
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because we are forcing down their throats, all of this excessive information, excessive electronics. Our children don't even know how to socialize anymore. Our foundations of humanity is built off of socialization. These kids are now home like socializing with themselves, playing these video games, you know, spending 10, 15 hours on a PS4 or PS5 with someone
01:02:32
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that's a thousand miles away that they never seen that they don't understand how to develop their social cues for and intelligence comes in so many different forms and that intelligence influences our abilities to concentrate and with ADHD our intellectual capacity from a social realm, emotional realm, a physical realm
01:02:49
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you know, those all of those things are taken away. And when we talk about our children, when we talk about especially black children, they are oftentimes over diagnosed because they are in situations where we talk about friends is like New York City, Baltimore, Miami, think about how many kids, you know, how many kids are in a actual class per teacher, you have in some instances over 30.
01:03:13
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per, you know, per class for one teacher. And oftentimes they are misdiagnosed because people think, oh, this kid, he's wild and now he trying to fight, he's energetic and this and that, but they don't have enough intent, attention to get stimulated enough to be able to be, feel that normalcy. And they're already normal in itself. And then that perpetuation of that thought follows them along for the rest of their career, where now you diagnose a kid with ADHD. And it's like, it's a death sentence.
01:03:42
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They go to college, oh, you got ADHD. Even going to medical school, tell a med school you got ADHD or residency, you got ADHD. They're going to look at you like, oh, this person, he walling out. You think he's going to make it? It's over. It's a death sentence. So we already established that from early on. What do you think it does for the outcomes later for these children? You know what I mean?
01:04:03
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So we have to assess and analyze these situations in our educational system and disrupt these barriers so that all our children are intentionally in a position to learn, to feel like they have the opportunity and the intuition to feel comfortable enough to say, hey, I can do this. And oftentimes our children, especially in the black community, they don't have that.
01:04:24
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I also think it's like important too like with ADHD being diagnosed in black kids because funny enough like when I was on my pediatrics rotation outpatient it was in it was in West Philly so there's a lot of like everyone every patient was black. I don't think I saw one white yeah I don't think I saw one white patient um but we had I had a couple kids who came in with like similar type of presentation mom says like I can't get my kid to
01:04:48
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to act right. In school, he's being noisy and not paying attention at home. He's doing that, all that stuff. And at the time, actually, when I saw most of my ADHD kids, the attending, I was working with a black man. He's a pediatrician, black male. And
01:05:07
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It was just kind of interesting to see how he not only just like spewed out ADHD as a possible culprit, but he said, hey, like, you know, which poor the parents in the kid's life? Is it both parents? Is it just the mom? Is it the, you know, is it the dad? Because sometimes having an absent parent can even cause these types of like,
01:05:24
Speaker
like acting out type of situations or has this kid ever like been tested for learning disabilities? Like maybe he doesn't understand what's going on or like maybe he's actually a gifted kid and he knows too much and he's bored and he's acting out. Like there could be so many, you know, explanations for it. So to kind of just say ADHD is like, I think it's also a cultural thing. They want to just say it as like, this is the reason, but you haven't even considered all of the possible options in terms of like socio determinants of health, you know, that kind of stuff. So.
01:05:54
Speaker
I definitely think that's important as well. But yeah, shout out to ADHD Awareness Month. I think it's definitely something we should and I don't want to like also downplay the diagnosis. I think that some people actually do suffer from it. And like not just and it's and it's organic, I think to a certain extent to like some people said their whole lives, they never really knew why I couldn't concentrate, I couldn't focus.
01:06:13
Speaker
And then maybe the parent was told about it, but they said, oh, my kid doesn't have that. And then never got worked up for. Now they're an adult and they still are struggling with this. So I do want to also say that it is real. Like it is the actual pathology that people struggle with in this all across the world. So we should definitely like pay homage to this diagnosis and make sure that everyone is aware of like people who struggle ADHD.
01:06:38
Speaker
But yeah, I definitely think we should push it along in terms of our run the list. And Alden, this is your specialty, all about Biden and the money he owes us. Is he President Biden today or is he back to being Biden? That's the telltale.
01:07:02
Speaker
I think that he's still biting like I still he's still invited to the barbecue, you know, and all that. But recently, what we found is that the FFL EP was removed from the student loan forgiveness program, unfortunately, and what we found about the which stands for the, by the way, the Federal Family Education Loan Program.
01:07:23
Speaker
which provided student loans to borrowers up until June 30th, 2010. They were issued by private and state lenders. But in essence, the federal government guaranteed that if a borrower in this program defaulted, they would pay private companies an interest subsidy to make for this loss. So we know who are affected, unfortunately, many underserved and black and brown communities.
01:07:48
Speaker
And in essence, this is pushing them back. And as of September 29, 2022, bars with the federal student loans not held by the Department of Education, which the FFLEP is under, cannot obtain a one-time debt relief by consolidating those loans into the direct loans.
01:08:08
Speaker
Bars with privately held federal loans, as I mentioned, who applied to consolidate loans into direct loans before September 29, 2022, will obtain one-time debt relief. But multiple legal experts have stated that the reversal in the policy was likely made out of concern that the private banks that managed these loans could file lawsuits and then stop the debt relief. And they believe that Biden's plan would cause them financial harm.
01:08:38
Speaker
So I want to ask you guys, do you think Biden catching this energy, this heat, was the reason for this reversal? Why is he banning these subset of groups and not other groups of individuals? What's your thoughts on that?
01:08:53
Speaker
I think Biden just got too happy. I'm not gonna hold you. I think he just, he just got a little bit of, ooh, like, we can finally do this thing. And he didn't really think it through. Because honestly speaking, a lot of the, like, a lot of the way that this was presented, this whole student loan forgiveness thing, it did sound a little bit too good to be true. Like, I was like, there has to be a catch somewhere. So honestly, I'm not surprised that like, you have to kind of
01:09:16
Speaker
retrace his steps and kind of go back to the drawing board in terms of, is everybody eligible? And I think this FFEL loans, I think because it's further back and not directly associated with the Department of Education, that's why they feel like they can
01:09:36
Speaker
like, dub it and be fine. So personally, I just feel like he got a little bit too excited and just started, like, saying, Oh, yeah, like every everyone's eligible and didn't really look at it thoroughly. So I don't really think it's a matter of like, heat, but just that he didn't really maybe go through it, like, step by step the first time, just because everyone kept on asking him
01:09:57
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you included, like, where's our money? Like, when is it coming? And he probably, like, missed out on a few details that now he has to, like, be like, oh, well, I don't think we can accommodate this certain group of people. So, yeah. Yeah, I don't think he planned this out well enough because previously President Biden
01:10:18
Speaker
uh, very actively supported a 2005 Republican led bill that stripped private student loans from bankruptcy protections. And now you have this where borrowers with privately held federal student loans, you know, like it's almost like he, like, did you remember that? How did you think these companies would respond to you just trying to eradicate it?
01:10:47
Speaker
Right. I don't I don't think he thought it out long term, like in 2005 or whenever he supported this bill. I don't think he was doing. Yeah, I don't think he went into the future of 2020 and 2022 rather and said, hey, this is what's going to happen. So just poor planning. And
Biden's Student Loan Forgiveness: Who's Left Out?
01:11:07
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of course, I hate that the ones that will be affected
01:11:13
Speaker
disproportionately will likely be our people. Right. But you know, we thank you for all your efforts. We do. Yeah, we're feeling it. We're grateful. Better than nothing. Yeah, we're grateful. And you know, it's not run the list unless me and Alden don't go back and forth about a Black love situation gone horribly wrong.
01:11:41
Speaker
You know, I'll tell you. Just let me win.
Ime Udoka's Suspension and Racial Disparities
01:11:46
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Sad story. But Nia Long, the vixen of almost all 90s black movies, from Brown Sugar to The Best Man to like, you name it, like all movies you can think of, she has been there.
01:12:01
Speaker
Oh, okay. So she has just been someone admired by the black community for so long and is clearly like very physically attractive. Like we all know this about Nia Long and she's been in this long-term relationship with Boston Celtics head coach Ima Udoka who was suspended actually for one year. Due to a relationship, what he says is consensual with a female staff member of the Boston Celtics.
01:12:31
Speaker
So, you know, I just want to preface and say that I recognize that they were not married, right? They were engaged for a long period of time. However,
01:12:42
Speaker
I think Nia, it was actually Nia who said that she didn't really care for the marriage part. She just wanted the commitment. She had the ring, so she was betting on commitment through this ring that she was carrying, but there was no marriage license. I recognize that the lack of a marriage license means open season for men, so I'm not gonna say that that was probably- And women too? Yeah, yeah, for both, but I'm saying at least in her case,
01:13:12
Speaker
because the man cheated open season for him because where's the money that's going to be lost in this situation? I mean, like there's no prenup clearly because there's no marriage license. So I think this is a tricky situation, but I do want to ask what you guys think about him being suspended. Do you think this is overkill? Do you think it's appropriate? I know how I feel about it, but it's always nice to hear from my two co-hosts what you guys think.
01:13:39
Speaker
Wait, we gotta go back, though, to... You know what I'm saying? Like, no, no, for real talk, though. Like, you know, my man, yo, that's your Nigerian brethren, first of all. Okay. Those are the main ones that be cheating. They cheat like...
01:13:57
Speaker
They have five wives. I'm not defending. I'm not defending. I'm not defending any of this podcast. I'm sorry. They know what they signed up for. Oh my goodness. Regardless, like you mentioned, she was a fiance. And how do we know they was in their open relationship? Again, I think we're making these presumptions based off of societal standards that they had to be like directing the energy toward each other and be in a appropriate relationship.
01:14:27
Speaker
But we don't know what's going on in between them at the end of the day. So I think that we're over-assuming. And number two, when we talk about Imedoka and what he got going on, we know for a fact, right? Imedoka is a wonderful person, wonderful coach. He led the Celtics to the finals in his first year. Let's celebrate his excellence.
01:14:48
Speaker
Wait, hold on, hold on, we're gonna say, wait, what? We're gonna say that a man's career, a man's career is the reason why he's a good man. Please, Aldwin, take him back, take him back. No, Aldwin be knowing what he's doing, y'all. Aldwin is pushing buttons and I am dying laughing. Y'all keep going, I'm just gonna laugh. Wow.
01:15:11
Speaker
No, no, no, but honestly, real talk, though, I will say this, though, and in terms of from what I've been hearing, he moved in a way that was not appropriate for the organization. From what I heard, he had consent, consensual sexual relationships with the vice president's wife. Now, bro, if you're going to do that, like you got so many options outside of the organization and for you to lose your job.
01:15:40
Speaker
on the fact that you were trying to get your joint off. Like it's just something. You were about to lose your job. You are one of the only black men coaches in the NBA and you got a beautiful fiance. But again, they have kids, you know, and they have this whole situation that got going on. Shorty, like the shorty that he messed with actually ordered the flights and all that for the come to Boston so that you could start moving to Boston and whatnot.
01:16:07
Speaker
So she already knew what the game was. But I think that what we got to focus on is we are over villainizing, email Doka, and we're not putting the focus number one on the two women that are involved in this situation. So we got the woman that he had consensual relations with.
01:16:24
Speaker
Wait, I'm confused. The attention should go on the two women involved in the situation. Who did the cheating? Was it? Number one, how do we know it's cheating? And how do we know that Nia Long and I didn't do her dirt? Number two.
01:16:40
Speaker
You know what? The shorty, we don't even know who the shorty name is that he messed with. Like we put in everything on email, but like she was with it too. She was ordering the flights to get his wife up to Boston. So listen, where's the equal energy? It's double standard. Like y'all putting everything on my man's email. Is he not the head coach? Is he not the head coach?
01:17:05
Speaker
It doesn't matter what his position is, though. She's part of the organization, too. She didn't lose her job for the year. She's still working. But who's the black? He's a black man, correct? We know how it rolls in the society, right? We know how it rolls in the society. We know he's not going to be favored. At the end of the day, his actions are going to be scrutinized no matter what he does. So him actually doing this and thinking he was going to get out scot-free and not be the focal point,
01:17:33
Speaker
Like we all know the stories about white, white woman and black man relationship and who ends up being the villain. It's always going to be the black man. There's like, that's not changing. That's not changing. And I don't feel sympathy for her. I'm sorry. I feel no sympathy. I feel sympathy. She tricked him. And I think that again, when black men, when black men
01:17:54
Speaker
are in situations like this, like no one really talks about their mental health. Like he about to like be in a situation where his shorty may or may not rock with him. We don't know if they're in an open relationship. He got a family and whatnot. Who knows what led him to that decision, but she's also involved. She could have came to the man and tried to press him. You know what I'm saying? And you know,
01:18:15
Speaker
It's hard, man. So knowing, knowing who Nia Long is, do you think that even if they have, let's say hypothetically, they had an open relationship. Do you think she will want her fiance to be having relationships with a female staff member and she wants to be embarrassed like that? Even if she was cool with this, she doesn't want to be embarrassed. I already know. I already know she didn't consent to this nonsense. And the reality is this man, he folded and he played himself. Let's leave it there.
01:18:44
Speaker
Wait, I got a question because I heard that she apparently sticking beside him. You can't make it up. This is why I told you that America wasn't here. It would have been curtains for your opinion. It would have been curtains. My nose is open.
01:19:13
Speaker
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not agreeing with either party. That was not for all men. That was not against your opinions. It's all good. We don't, we do not know what happened. All we know is what we stated. They were not married. They were engaged. We do not know the situation. What I, what I will say, these are my two cents because I'll let y'all
01:19:39
Speaker
go back and forth, back, back, forth and forth. So I think, I think the year long suspension is likely warranted if in fact he slept with a VP's wife or whatever. I think, you know, you gotta know, you know, they say you don't poop where you eat. Like that's, you learn that from when you are young. Okay. So I think it was warranted
01:20:05
Speaker
but I feel like the heat that, this is where I get upset, the heat that black men receive for their transgressions, especially in mainstream media, for example, like ESPN, I think it's crazy. There was a situation with Michael Vick back in the day when he was dog fighting, right? There's so much attention centered on black men when they mess up, but you have,
01:20:32
Speaker
Brett Favre out here committing fraud. Millions of dollars. Stealing millions for years to build a stadium. And what have we heard? And Brett Favre, you know, his name has been
01:20:48
Speaker
plaster. He's like, so it just, it, it's, that's where I'll end my thoughts.
Nia Long's Situation and Relationship Dynamics
01:20:56
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I just, I hate that this is what it always comes to, um, beyond the transgressions, whatever it, like at the end of the day, this is what
01:21:21
Speaker
I totally agree with what Erica is saying I will say right that no matter what the bar for white men is it's not even it's not here the bars and
01:21:30
Speaker
at all. Below the earth, right? Right now I'm just vouching for Nia Long and the fact that she's just embarrassed. Like this is an embarrassment. I would never want to be in the position where something like this came out about my family. Like that's just me really siding with her.
01:21:45
Speaker
If he wants to go and continue to sleep with like every single VP of every basketball, that's his business. But it's the fact that you were with me along. Like, don't you have some some shame? Do you know the kind of energy and the kind of time you have to probably put in to bag her? Like, I don't know. He that's that's that was an L for him. So I think I think, you know, all right. Now, you all brought me back in the list of all of the fine women.
01:22:14
Speaker
Find successful women that have been cheated on. Listen.
01:22:18
Speaker
Oh my God, why? What's the matter? What about the fine black men that were cheating on? No, hear me, hear me. You see all went, don't do that. Because I'll be over here having your back. I was going to say, she was just having your back. I don't even know where I'm going with this right now. OK. You got it. You got it. I'll be over here uplifting this black man, putting the battery in this black man's back, and he's out the comb for me.
01:22:46
Speaker
Anyway, like I was saying, there's a laundry list of women. Like, I feel like, listen, Beyonce, we saw it happen. We saw Solange get a Jay-Z in the elevator. We did. Off of that. So nobody is exempt. Wait, what? That's true. Solange what? Remember Solange? She like slapped Jay or punched him, I think. Yeah, like around the time of the... What does that mean?
01:23:12
Speaker
My, let me finish and I'll let you know what it means, Alderman. What I'm trying to say is beauty matters not. Success matters not. Yes, pretty long is one of the baddest out there. Still, isn't she 50 probably? It does not matter. A man is going to do
01:23:37
Speaker
what he's going to do. And this is not a male bashing moment. Like we don't know, we don't know what happened. We don't know if there was some written clause and then he just messed up and messed with the wrong one. We really, we will never know. It's not our business, right? It's no secret. It's just not our business. But my point is,
01:23:58
Speaker
I think I already made my point now, I'm tired. Yeah. I made my point already, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah.
Understanding Infidelity: A Universal Issue
01:24:04
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Do better. But no one's exempt, no one's exempt. Yes, and nobody's exempt. Boom, thank you for wrapping that up for me. Thank you so much, man. You know, without further ado, I think that was a great conversation, great end. I think me and Erica, we probably could have more back and forth, but we don't need that as is. I'm weak. Because it was intense.
01:24:27
Speaker
Y'all know what it is. That is our show. Thanks so much for joining us for this episode of The Lounge.
Conclusion and Social Connection
01:24:33
Speaker
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01:24:54
Speaker
Thanks for listening guys.