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Ep. 12, Wayne Olbison, Lanxess: Foot Dips, Wheel Washes & AI Vigilance image

Ep. 12, Wayne Olbison, Lanxess: Foot Dips, Wheel Washes & AI Vigilance

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In this episode of the Poultry Network Podcast, host Tom Willings is joined by editor Jake Davies.

Their guest is Wayne Olbison, Head of Sales for UK and Ireland at Lanxess Biosecurity Solutions, who discusses the company’s role in agricultural hygiene and offers practical biosecurity advice in light of recent avian influenza outbreaks.

Wayne introduces Lanxess as a global chemicals business, with the Biosecurity Solutions division focused on cleaning and disinfection products for agriculture and aquaculture.

The timing of the conversation is significant: in late July five new cases of avian influenza were confirmed in the UK, including several in Somerset.

Such unseasonal outbreaks underline that AI may now be endemic in wild bird populations, with risks present year-round rather than only in winter.

Both the hosts and Wayne emphasise vigilance and strict farm hygiene as critical defences.

Wayne stresses that biosecurity is often misunderstood.

Some see it purely as terminal hygiene – cleaning and disinfecting once birds leave a house – while others recognise continuous measures during a flock cycle.

In reality, both are essential.

The first day of the next flock cycle starts immediately after the previous flock leaves, and any carry-over risks must be eliminated.

Farmers may handle cleaning themselves, use in-house teams, or hire contractors, but consistency and thoroughness matter most.

Too often, people look for shortcuts: a fast clean rather than a correct clean, which leaves organic matter behind and undermines disinfection.

The discussion then focuses on common pitfalls.

Continuous farm practices frequently fail due to poor maintenance or incorrect use.

Wheel washes may not contain active disinfectant if pumps aren’t working or chemical drums are empty; foot dips, the “first line of defence,” are often contaminated, degraded by sunlight, or incorrectly mixed.

Without lids or regular replacement, disinfectant quickly becomes ineffective.

During terminal cleans, failure to fully remove organic matter or using disinfectants at the wrong concentration reduces efficacy. 

For example, a DEFRA-approved product rated at 2% may be ineffective if applied at 1.5%. 

Wayne stresses that washing and disinfection are separate processes: muck must be removed before applying disinfectant, otherwise the chemistry is neutralised. 

Attention to dilution rates, contact time, and correct rotation of chemistries is also critical. 

Oxidising products are often best used first to knock down viruses, but order matters – misapplication can cancel out effectiveness.

Tom probes Wayne on wheel wash technology, from simple knapsack sprayers to integrated spray bars. 

While drive-through systems are ideal, they are costly and require space, so most farms rely on sprayers. 

Whatever the system, doing nothing is not an option. Equally, over-mixing or combining incompatible products can reduce performance or create hazards. 

Wayne underlines that advice should be tailored: the target pathogen, the chemistry in use, and the sequence of application all matter.

  1. Control entry – restrict visitors and ensure every vehicle entering has wheels properly disinfected with working, charged systems.
  2. Prioritise foot dips – maintain them with the correct product, at the correct dilution, and replace them frequently to ensure they are active.
  3. Enforce accuracy – whether cleaning houses or mixing disinfectants, precision matters. Guesswork or shortcuts leave pathogens behind and waste money.
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Intro

Podcast Introduction

00:00:15
Tom Willings
Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Poultry Network podcast. My name's Tom Willings. Normally I'll be joined by Tom Woolman. Tom's away this week. So we've got the man himself, Jake Davis. Jake, how are you doing?
00:00:26
Jake Davies
Hello, very well thanks. Yeah, just sitting in for Tom on his on his holidays as we' were ah we're at the beginning of August.
00:00:30
Tom Willings
Yeah.
00:00:31
Jake Davies
So yeah, good to be here.
00:00:32
Tom Willings
ah Exactly, exactly. Well, no, good have you.

Guest Introduction: Wayne Orbison

00:00:35
Tom Willings
um We are joined today by Wayne Orbison, Head of Sales for UK and Ireland at Lanxess Biosecurity Solutions. um Wayne, thanks for coming on board.
00:00:46
Wayne Olbison
Okay, no problem.
00:00:48
Tom Willings
Good to have you here. and Just give us a bit of background for anyone who hasn't heard of Lanxess. Could you tell us about about the business and and your

Lanxess Biosecurity Solutions Overview

00:00:56
Tom Willings
role?
00:00:57
Wayne Olbison
Yes, of course. So Lanxess is a huge global company in all sorts of different chemistries. Lanxess Biosecurity Solutions is a part of Lanxess and we are primarily focused on agriculture and aquaculture cleaning and disinfection products.
00:01:16
Wayne Olbison
um I look after the UK and Ireland terms of sales and advice and I have a team of four guys who are out on the road advising, creating programmes and marketing disinfectants and cleaning products.
00:01:30
Jake Davies
Cool. um Yeah, Wayne, really good to have you have you with us. I mean, we've known each other for a fair few years, it's fair to say.

Avian Influenza Outbreaks Discussion

00:01:36
Jake Davies
um And we thought we'd actually to come on to the podcast because of, you know, as we record, it's the 1st of August. And the past week, we've had ah five outbreaks of avian influenza on various different different flocks. The most recent was late last night, I think, a case in, well, we had three cases in Somerset in the last couple of days. So,
00:01:55
Jake Davies
fairly unseasonable yeah unseasonable and fairly worrying really, I guess, because this is normally the quiet time for avian influenza. So ah I guess the message is vigilance is required year round, but um obviously we're looking at coming into the autumn, which is typically when avian influenza rears its ugly head again, as we say.
00:02:15
Wayne Olbison
yeah
00:02:15
Jake Davies
So we thought we'd ask you for a few tips and tricks and best practice bits and bolts for biosecurity. Yeah. yeah
00:02:24
Wayne Olbison
Okay, that's fine. Well, happy to help, happy to be here. And I think

Current AI Situation in the UK and Biosecurity Importance

00:02:28
Wayne Olbison
you're right. I think it is a little concerning and a little worrying because we've had a couple of relatively quieter winters compared to previous years in terms of AI proxiing outbreaks and infections.
00:02:42
Wayne Olbison
um And we've only recently had the all clear for AI in the UK and Ireland. And it's a little bit surprising to see we've had
00:02:49
Jake Davies
Thank you.
00:02:54
Wayne Olbison
ah think it just goes to show that is potentially endemic in the UK now in the wild bird population. probably a little bit more prominent in the winter months, the autumn winter months because of the migratory season, which increases it. But I think ordinarily we do have that situation ongoing throughout the year now.
00:03:17
Tom Willings
In terms of, you know, good biosecurity on a farm, it always, you know, it probably sounds to many farms as though it's a bit of a throwaway comment. If you said, if you told people to increase their biosecurity, that's it, job done.
00:03:30
Tom Willings
But in practice, you know, with your with your experience in your role, what does good biosecurity actually mean?

Continuous Biosecurity Measures

00:03:39
Jake Davies
Thank you.
00:03:39
Tom Willings
And what does it what does it look like?
00:03:43
Wayne Olbison
I think that's interesting Tom because different people have different opinions on biosecurity. think some people think biosecurity is the um end of the cycle where you muck out, you wash out, you you disinfect.
00:03:59
Wayne Olbison
And some people think it's it continuous parasecurity, which is happening during the cycle while the the animals are in in-house. I think it's combination of both. I think also we have to be...
00:04:14
Wayne Olbison
it's difficult It's difficult to try and not... um say the wrong thing because everyone does things slightly different and everyone's got a different opinion on Bioscurity. Bioscurity is not sexy, let let's be honest, it's a bit of a door-to-tock subject, it gets driven down farmers' throats all the time.
00:04:31
Wayne Olbison
But of course it's very important if we don't observe good browse security then we are leaving nass ourselves was open for these infections and these cross contaminations and pathogens to thrive. So think it looks different from different people but once the... I believe the first day of the next cycle is the first day after the birds have gone from the previous cycle because whatever you may have experienced you want to remove that and stop that cross contamination that carry over into the next cycle.
00:04:59
Wayne Olbison
That's very important. Some people prefer to, particularly farmers, clean and disinfect their own houses. Some people use in-house cleaning teams if you're particularly an integrator. And some people use service providers.
00:05:13
Wayne Olbison
Everyone does slightly different, but I think it's just getting everyone to do it right. There's a right way and there's a fast way, and the fast way is not always the best way.

Common Biosecurity Failures

00:05:24
Tom Willings
for From your point of view, I really want to kind of drill into you know the the pitfalls. if it's If it's more difficult to say, look, here's the here's the one size fits all approach that constitutes good biosecurity, then you know what are the what's the other side of that coin where you can say, ah these are some of the areas where people the that then, well, whether they whether they suffer the consequences of poor biosecurity and, and and and you know, their flock succumbs to disease or or otherwise, this is the the practice that you've seen that actually, and you know, is definitely not best practice. Where does it where does it go wrong? Where does it fall down?
00:06:06
Wayne Olbison
Again, I think there's there's two answers to this. There's the one that I consider to be continuous barrack security. So you've got animals in houses, that the birds are in the chicken sheds, turkey sheds, whatever species it may be.
00:06:18
Wayne Olbison
So from that point of view, you need to be making sure you either minimize visitors, make sure you're washing and disinfecting wheels as as visitors come to farm. using dedicated footwear using hand sanitiser as they go in and out of buildings, and using different footwear if that's the polish in that particular farm.
00:06:38
Wayne Olbison
That's biosecurity on the farm continuous. Where that goes wrong very often, and and I've seen this, we do a lot of audits for customers and give them reports and feedback, but very often you'll find, this is where it goes wrong, a wheel wash, for example, on a farm might not be working, or it might have a tube
00:06:54
Jake Davies
you
00:06:59
Wayne Olbison
or from the pump in directly into the disinfectant but the disinfectant drums empty so you're just washing your water there's all sorts of things like that and you'll often find people don't bother doing it if you don't enforce that rule and if you don't have the product they don't do it anyway then you'll find possibly foot dips which is i would consider the first line of defense before going into a poultry house they might be already contaminated with lots of debris. So potentially the disinfectant that's in there might already be inactivated because of too much organic matter and too much soiled in.
00:07:32
Wayne Olbison
They might have no lids,
00:07:36
Wayne Olbison
of UV sunlight. So there's a fairly fairly simple things to get right and simple advice.

Effective Cleaning and Disinfection Practices

00:07:42
Wayne Olbison
Then you go to the what doesn't look good on a terminal hygiene clean out, not getting rid of all the organic matter. If you leave too much dry matter behind, you've you've spent so much time trying to wash it out, you leave invariably leave quite a lot behind. Too much organic matter will inactivate the disinfectant or stop it working very well.
00:08:04
Wayne Olbison
some disinfectants need to be applied at a particular percentage so that's being accurate with that if if for example it's DEFRA approved at 2% and you do it at 1.5% you're actually not killing the pathogens so you need to be accurate with what you're using your product for and the application of that product and I think it's great that we and other people to be fair and other businesses do these inspections do the audits so we can highlight to the
00:08:04
Jake Davies
Thank you.
00:08:32
Wayne Olbison
customer where the improvements could be, it's getting those guys to then adopt those improvement advice.
00:08:41
Tom Willings
A lot of detail there to try and unpack. I think in in summary, what I think I i heard is that washing is one step, disinfection is another. They're not the same thing. You've got to wash off the muck before you can disinfect the surface.
00:08:50
Wayne Olbison
Yes.
00:08:52
Tom Willings
And if you if you don't do that, your disinfectant is going to be um inactivated.
00:08:53
Wayne Olbison
Yes.
00:09:00
Tom Willings
um Wheel washing and foot dips, two kind of key parts in the in the process. we Wheel washing... Is that when you describe a wheel washer, are you talking about um yeah know a knapsack sprayer at farm gate?
00:09:20
Tom Willings
Or are you talking about
00:09:20
Wayne Olbison
but
00:09:22
Tom Willings
um yeah a pressure washer you know kind of plumbed in? Or are you talking about um you know an integrated spray bar with nozzles all all the way around the vehicle? What what what does a wheel wash look like in your mind's eye?
00:09:39
Wayne Olbison
I think the last one you described there is probably optimum. If you could have a drive-through system where top size and bottom disinfect as you drive through, that's great. I'm not a big fan of drive through wheel baths because they just become a they're open to a uv b they become too contaminated to be able to clean on a regular basis and and also the the chemical in there might not be friendly to the environment so you often get spillage around about most people would generally use unsufficient and a knapsack sprayer or a power sprayer or something that's um easy to use always working and the chemicals potentially kept inside out of uv like that
00:10:22
Wayne Olbison
about That's probably what most people use. But a drive-through one would be great, so you cover all the vehicle. But they're expensive to install, and you have to have the room to install. them you know that this this pi falls with it but i think doing nothing isn't an option is it
00:10:40
Tom Willings
Absolutely.
00:10:40
Jake Davies
we so You've sort of touched on this already, Wayne, but it's something that comes up a lot when you have these kind of conversations. But ah ah could could you go into perhaps a bit more detail about if you know if you're not using the product at the correct concentration, it's effectively a waste it's a waste of money almost. is is that Is that fair to say?
00:11:00
Wayne Olbison
I wouldn't say it's a complete waste of money, but you won't be getting the result that you expect. So if whatever chemistry you're using for whatever target pathogen you're you're targeting,
00:11:13
Wayne Olbison
If the approval is of a particular percentage, you really need to use at that percentage and with this that

Ensuring Pathogen Inactivation with Correct Disinfectants

00:11:21
Jake Davies
Thank
00:11:21
Wayne Olbison
contact time to kill that pathogen or inactivate that pathogen.
00:11:25
Wayne Olbison
If you tend to underdose, it won't kill as well. You might get the contact time, but you don't have the amount of chemicals to work in that contact time.
00:11:38
Wayne Olbison
So you you are, again, I wouldn't say completely wasting your money, but you won't get the end result that you're hoping for.
00:11:47
Jake Davies
What about if you mix? I mean, I suppose there's certain interactions of different, various different cleaning things that can can go wrong and become ineffective or become, or do the wrong thing. Is that, is that correct as well? Um,
00:11:57
Wayne Olbison
It is correct, yes.

Optimizing Biosecurity Protocols

00:11:58
Wayne Olbison
various various advises will give you various advice I always, me personally and an our team in the UK, we tend to advise using an oxidising chemistry first because an oxidising chemistry generally targets, not specifically, but generally targets and viruses and they're very good at doing that.
00:12:21
Wayne Olbison
The problem with doing that chemistry second is if you apply that to an existing slightly damp surface that's had a previous chemistry on it, it will almost certainly enact
00:12:34
Wayne Olbison
potential virus knocked down
00:12:39
Wayne Olbison
So there is a rotation, you need to use the right chemistry in the right order according to the pathogen that you're trying to target. target
00:12:47
Tom Willings
Wayne, I wonder as we as we sort of look to wrap up, if there is you know one kind of final take home message that you would leave with with producers as you know advice and guidance that they can go and apply on their farm today. what

Practical Biosecurity Advice for Farms

00:13:03
Tom Willings
What should they go and look out for? What should they do?
00:13:06
Tom Willings
um But then also, you know if they want some support and they want to get in touch, then how might they go about doing that?
00:13:14
Wayne Olbison
Okay, so for me primarily, there's three pieces of of advice. If you're a farm manager or a farm operator, stop people getting on the farm without disinfecting their wheels or just getting entry unless they need to be there. Have a gate or have some system that they can't get through.
00:13:33
Wayne Olbison
Ensure the wheel disinfection facility is actually working and has chemical in it. Make sure that's happening. The first line of defence going into a poultry house is foot dips.
00:13:44
Wayne Olbison
Ensure you're using the correct dose. and mean this is You can't do anything about hygiene on the farm in terms of terminal while animals are in, but you can do what you can while they're not you know getting into the animals to foot dip.
00:13:57
Wayne Olbison
Make sure you're using in the right chemistry and the right fast acting chemistry for foot dips. A slight side story here, I won't drag on to my too much, but you can go to a farm and ask four different people how much how they mix their foot dips up and probably get four different answers.
00:14:13
Wayne Olbison
Well, only one of them will be right, potentially. The other three won't be right. So make sure you're using the right amount of product with the right amount of water, the right dilution rate that kills the pathogen, does the job that you're expected to do.
00:14:26
Wayne Olbison
And I think they're my two takeaway messages, foot dips and wheel wash and not having visitors that shouldn't be there.
00:14:35
Tom Willings
That's really clear. That's really

Conclusion and Contact Information

00:14:36
Tom Willings
clear. No, thank you so much for for coming on. If anyone is interested in in looking up um more information about Langsys biosecurity solutions or anything to do with biosecurity, then um yeah, there'd be a great deal of more information on the Langsys website or get in touch with us and we can put you in touch directly with Wayne.
00:14:51
Wayne Olbison
you know
00:14:54
Wayne Olbison
Absolutely, yeah. Yeah.
00:14:56
Tom Willings
It's obviously a really, really worrying time, as Jake said, it being such an unseasonal ah spike in in in outbreaks.
00:15:03
Wayne Olbison
yeah
00:15:04
Tom Willings
Let's keep our fingers crossed that yeah there there aren't too many more. But um for now, that's the end of this episode. Thank you very much indeed for listening and we'll we'll catch up with you next time.
00:15:15
Jake Davies
Thank you.

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