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Episode 21: Accepting Feedback
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On Episode 21, Lenise and Allie do their best to chat about accepting feedback. It's hard isn't it?! How do you become good at accepting feedback and giving feedback? Turns out, Allie and Lenise have different opinions on this. They navigate through that together. Join the conversation!
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Introduction to Anchored in Life
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One of the best feelings in life is feeling anchored. When the waves of life come, you stay confident, stable, and secure. So how do we stay connected in a world full of distractions? We think honest conversations can help. I'm Allie. And I'm Linise. Two friends who just want to chat about how to be our best selves. Thanks for joining us. This is Anchored in Life.
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I've got a new microphone, so we are in business. Woohoo! And Chastity's calling me. You can answer it. She could be live on air. Her dream come true. You know what? Hold on.
00:00:45
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This is so funny. Now I feel like I know. Oh, what dear. Okay. This is all going into the podcast.
00:00:56
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so Shout out to Chastity who did not answer the phone. Yes. Okay.
Setting the Episode's Tone
00:01:01
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we We said last time that this time would be a little more uplifting. but did Who said that? Did you say that? Well, we didn't make any promises, I think, but last time was a little heavy. And so we were like, maybe this time we'll go a little lighter. It's not heavy. Now that you say that, I do recall that.
00:01:25
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Well, looking at the outline here, it would be the next one. Listen, there's too much to talk about. We can't be rainbows and butterflies all the time, okay? Facts. I think people like, I don't think that's what people are looking for, you know?
Understanding Feedback: A Path to Growth
00:01:40
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No, it's authenticity. That's why we started of this. Exactly. Topic today, accepting feedback. Ooh.
00:01:49
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It's just hearing it, right? That is an interesting topic. So as I told you, I am reading a book and the book is all about connecting and building stronger relationships. And I don't know what chapter it is. I'm towards the end now, but it it talked about accepting feedback and The question it posed is, was there a time in your life when you experienced any form of rejection, but it turned out to be the best thing that happened to you and for you? And I thought to myself, well, I don't know. And then immediately after that, the next line was, how are you with accepting feedback? And were you like, what do these have to do with each other?
00:02:44
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No, because the two go handin hand in hand. A lot of people will consider feedback as rejection depending on what that feedback is and depending on your perception of yourself versus other people's perception. I just thought, what an interesting topic to explore for personal and professional growth because it can be challenging at times because you do
00:03:16
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Depending on how open you are, you can take feedback and look at it as a form of rejection. And in such, because it's all about growth, right? But in such, you are negating and blocking yourself from what could be something that could turn out to be great.
00:03:40
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I have a hard time thinking of personal feedback examples. It's really easy for me to think of professional ones because I'm a writer. So when I first became a news reporter, it was my executive producer's job to give me feedback every day.
00:04:00
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whether ha i want I love how you emphasize job. but
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I think that managers feel that way when you have a young person where you know it's their first job. They know that you need the feedback to grow or else you you literally won't get better by yourself. right so But personally, I'm trying to think of an example of when I've gotten feedback. Do you have one?
00:04:28
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Oh, sure. That just depends on who's listening. ah so who Who do I want to overshare? Right. ah You know, in relationships, in marriage, um in parenting, in friendships, feedback, gosh, yeah, that's that's kind of tricky without getting too revealing, hu especially when it comes to relationships.
00:04:57
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Now, you can yeah have something really simple as far as your food, but I don't really want your feedback on my food. Because if I've taken the time to cook and prepare it, and and you know I love to cook, and then you come at me and you say, it was a little too spicy. Well, then maybe my food is not for you. That was going to be my overarching question was, I don't want that feedback.
00:05:25
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it's It's one thing to position yourself to be open to feedback. If you're asking for it or your relationship is so as to where it's just an open book, that's great. If it's professional and this person's higher up and you know it's part of their job, great. It's really hard to hear when in that example, like you said, it's you weren't looking for it, nor do you want to receive it. o Not at all. Not a little bit.
00:05:54
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But in relationships, especially your close ones, I would say for me that somebody doesn't have to ask me permission to give me feedback unless I'm ranting about something. And I have specifically said I'm not looking for a solution here. OK, you say that. Oh, I say that to my husband because all he wants to do is fix it.
00:06:16
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And I'll say that to my mom and my husband. I am not looking for a solution. I already know what it is. This situation is just annoying and I'm going to rant about it and I really just need you to nod your head. That is really mature of you, Allie. Well, I've just gotten into too many fights.
00:06:33
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but You know, where that was misunderstood. And I i hope people listening aren aren't thinking that I'm being sarcastic. That is very mature because innately people want to help and they want to offer advice.
The Role of Self-Image in Receiving Feedback
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And sometimes I'm not looking for your advice. I'm not even looking for you to agree with me. I just want to be heard. So for you to tell them at the onset, this is a listening moment for you. That's your role to listen.
00:07:03
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ah that can prevent a lot of you know potential arguments down the line when really you were just wanting someone to listen to you. Yeah, because in that state, if you're going to try to give me feedback, I am not accepting it. and I'm just not in the mental headspace. Clearly, I'm upset about something. Everything rational in my brain has turned off. I'm on fire. I just need to, you know, get past this frustration period. Maybe it'll take an hour. Maybe it'll take a day. But right now is not the time to be telling me stuff that you think will help.
00:07:40
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And I think my my mom, my husband also have learned that lesson too, right? So they like, this is pointless. I'm not even going to say anything constructive here because she's not going to listen. And that's just a part of having emotions. I want to talk about image because that came up in the book too. It talked about how the concept of self-image can affect your openness to feedback. I would have never thought about that.
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oh I instantly relate it to that. oh i instant and Not that I'm a perfectionist, but in my head, I aim to be. right I desire. because i yeah and and What it really boils down to is, gosh, and I keep going back and forth. I'm not this like super hardcore rule follower, but I don't like being you can say it looked at in a negative light.
00:08:38
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I don't want to be looked at in a negative light. And so when you come at me with your feedback, I i feel defensive because I feel as though you are trying to put some sort of shade on me, if yeah if that makes sense. and It's so silly. That is so silly when you think about it. Yeah. Would you say that when you get the feedback, whether you agree with it in the moment or not, do you feel like most of the feedback you get from people you respect and love, yada, yada, helps you?
00:09:19
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oh Yes, but not in that moment. Right. Not even the next day. It usually hits me like years later.
00:09:31
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I remember, Dylan's playing the long game here. Clearly. I remember a job I had in college. I worked at a shoe store, and I had this manager at the time. And she would say, you might want to do this. And you might want to do it that way. you might And it became like the joke in my family. I would come home, and I'm like, yeah, well, I got 10. You might want us today.
00:09:58
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yeah And it was painful. It was so painful. And it wasn't until about my second job at the second TV station job, so now we're literally talking years later, that I remembered, you know what, a lot of my work ethic came from her. It came from her constantly, you might wanna, you might wanna, I decided, you're not gonna give meaning, any you might want us.
00:10:29
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You're just going to do it before she can say it? Yes. and justin and i I've always been an organized person, but she took it to a whole other level. yeah and The way I am now with how things are situated, a lot of that is from her influence. and It was feedback that I did not appreciate remotely at the time. But now,
00:10:55
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Oh, heck yeah. What about you? what whats I'm curious because you said professionally and that can be... because You already think you're working hard, right? Yeah, and then someone's like... Do you think it's harder to get feedback from a professional space than say personal? I was thinking about this this morning, obviously, because I knew we were going to have this conversation.
00:11:18
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i think it depends on how wrapped up your identity is in your job because back when i first became a news reporter and you couldn't separate me from my news reporter me i mean there was no separation i was one person wrapped up i had no boundaries.
00:11:37
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Everything, it was also hard to have boundaries with that job because you could get called at three o'clock in the morning if something happens. But, you know, I was young, so I didn't really know how to do that. So it was debilitating to get feedback because no matter what people were saying, my bosses, it would sound like you're not good at this.
00:11:59
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Or if I got a script back and it was 15% my words and the rest was somebody else's, I'd be like, what am I doing? Now, looking at it up with my older person lenses on, i that's the only way I was going to get better. But in the moment, I was just thinking, why don't I just leave?
00:12:22
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because I didn't do any work today because you just rewrote my entire script, but they weren't seeing it like that. They were seeing it as i'm I'm making you better. This is why you're here. Now, I crave feedback, but professionally, but it matters who's giving it.
Constructive Feedback: Respect and Acceptance
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Oh my gosh, it so matters who's giving it.
00:12:43
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yeah if i First of all, if you're not in my wheelhouse, so I'm a marketing director now, if you're in IT telling me how to do marketing, no.
00:12:57
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I appreciate that, but I also don't. Right. I'm going to need to stay in your lane. Yeah, everyone stay in their lane. I'm not going to tell you how to do IT. t you know So if it's something where it was like a perception thing, like I didn't love the way that you said that, or it's something about my persona professionally, but when it's about my work and it's not your wheelhouse of work, I don't want to hear it. So I'm not going to hear it.
00:13:24
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But if my boss, who I love and respect so much, gives me feedback, first of all, she knows how to give me feedback in the way that I'm going to hear it. That's something I'm blessed with. I'm going to listen to her and I'm not going to take that personally because I know that she wants me to just be better. So I love it from her and hate it from others, which is the same way professional. I mean, personally, if you know me really well, I'm gonna accept it. Like when I had a really good friend say one time, Hey, I didn't love that you brought up my past relationship in that way.
00:13:58
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That really hurt me. You know, we got over that pretty quickly because she just said it and she's like, hey, don't bring that up again. And then it's like, OK, cool. But when you're in an artificial relationship or somebody random, especially just gives you feedback out of the blue, you know, if someone came up to me and says, hey, I don't really think that color is for you, I'd be like, what? Who are you? You don't get to say that to me. But if my best friend said that to me, I'd be like, hmm. Yeah.
00:14:28
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Yeah, you're probably right. Don't worry about that again. Yeah, who it's coming from and what's being said. you know when And I try to ask myself because I i don't know why, but i just i really want to help I really want to help people. right And I know that I don't have all the answers. I'm not a professional. I'm not trained. Yet I'm constantly giving my advice and I catch myself doing it now.
00:14:57
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and I think it's because i'm I'm reading more and I'm understanding not everyone wants to hear what you have to say. They just want you to hear them, so relax. But in addition to who the feedback is coming from, what is being said is important too because constructive criticism, that can be a vital aspect of effective feedback, because it's all about yeah making sure you're helping the person improve, helping them grow, rather than trying to discourage or demoralize them. And I think that's the problem with a lot of feedback is that people don't like, they don't like the way it can make them feel.
00:15:42
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And unfortunately, there are people who are trying to flex their authority over you. That's not good professionally or personally. Feedback should be to help someone.
00:15:54
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And if they come out of that demoralized, you did it wrong. To me, I'm not going to put that in the feedback category now. That was just something mean that you said, yeah, an insult. We have to be good at giving it just as we are good at receiving it. And speaking of image, I want the image of someone who can accept feedback well. ah Oh, you flip that.
00:16:22
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Yeah, I want you to see me as someone who can take it and not crumble in front of you. o And that's professional and personal. I think it matters a little more to me personally, because I want people to keep giving it to me. I don't want them to be like, Oh God, I gotta walk around eggshells with her. Don't tell her anything. You know, like I don't want to be that because my pet peeve is that.
00:16:45
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So because we're similar in personality, Linise, I think everyone knows that. um I don't want to be friends with someone who I can't be honest with. I also am not afraid to say, yeah, you didn't deliver that well.
00:17:00
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It's interesting though that you more or less, it's the opposite with with me. So you want people to see you as someone who's able to accept feedback, has a thick skin, um and that doesn't mean that you can just blatantly walk up to me and say any old thing that comes to your mind, okay? Let's- Yeah, let's be clear. Yes. um Whereas for me,
00:17:28
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The image that I want to maintain prevents me from accepting feedback. Right, because you're wanting an image of someone who doesn't need feedback. Not so much that I don't need feedback, because we all need feedback. I read as much as I do because I like to learn and grow, but I also don't If I am going to be someone who is seen as an authoritative, um you know with my job, with the experience that I have with parenting, then I shouldn't need your feedback. Not because I don't want it, but because I should already have expertise in certain areas. And that and I realize that is that's a block.
00:18:19
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Yeah. That's a bluff. I think that's why when I i ah read that like those two lines in the book about rejection, i am in in a way, I am rejecting feedback before it's even given to me because of this image that I want to maintain.
00:18:40
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As a person who is knowledgeable and and while that is true because we're all knowledgeable in certain areas it does not mean that your capacity for feedback. Is no longer there you still need to get that feedback and i know that more than more than anyone yet.
00:19:00
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i don't I don't want you coming at me saying you might want to. Oh, yeah, those words. Those words are triggering. Oh, yes. You might want to. Oh, my word. No, you might have to be quiet and back up because I'm just kidding. So would you say that most of the time your reaction is to get defensive without even knowing it?
00:19:26
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And who tells you that, your husband? No, I, know i in retrospect, because I journal. but and i And I do. i And I'm like, ooh, you could have received that better. Now Dylan, um he gives me feedback all the time. And I also love that he's able to take it because he doesn't always like, he doesn't get to hear what he wants to hear when he's giving me the feedback.
00:19:54
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This seems like a good segue to talk about triggers. Right? Anger, embarrassment. Yeah, I'm trying to think of what really triggers me when you're giving me feedback. If you are, because of a behavior, now labeling me as something, that's going to trigger me. So if I, let me think.
00:20:20
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I don't know if I can think of an example. but Basically, okay, I make a mistake and we're talking about it. And so there's there's there's obviously feedback happening from the the person I made the mistake to or I hurt or whatever. If you are now labeling me as someone who's not a good friend because I made a mistake, her because I can't be friends with someone who is not going to offer grace, we're having the conversation. I'm doing my best.
00:20:45
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I think, to accept this and to say that I've made a mistake. But if you're going to always label me as something now because of that, I am always going to be defensive around you now. I'm always going to be hurt by that, whether you bring it up or not. If I can feel that energy that you, essentially, what would it be? not trust You don't trust me anymore, then where we can't move on from this. But I also have the responsibility of not doing that again.
00:21:12
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whatever I get again. It goes both ways. yeah um Here's where I think it triggers and defensiveness can can go
Managing Triggers and Defensiveness in Feedback
00:21:23
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hand in hand. Say you have, I think it comes when there's buildup and you don't take the time to address said behavior.
00:21:33
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And so by the time, or whatever the issue is, it doesn't have to be a behavior. um But whatever the action is, by the time you go to address it, you are red. You are like aiming.
00:21:47
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ah And the feedback then is coming from that rage. yeah So if I'm on the receiving end of that, and I have no idea of all these other things that I did that you know were kind of like kicking you, stepping on on your heels, you know oh my gosh, that's a trigger.
00:22:04
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When you're walking, it's someone constantly it like stepping on the back of your foot and you're like, knock it off, knock it off. And your head, you're saying this, right? yeah And then that last time where it happens, it like takes the shoe off your heel and you turn around and you're like, why do you keep stopping? And they're like, whoa. we I think it is your responsibility to address things when they happen, so that when you're giving feedback, it can be received well, so it doesn't turn into a trigger for someone else is being snapped at. Absolutely. Constantly being berated.
00:22:47
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I can totally relate to that. That's a good lesson in marriage. who If you're the kind of person that passive aggressively gets a new trash bag for the trash can and like waves it around, like makes that annoying noise. yeah Because you're like, oh, let me just put the bag in here. Even though you're totally capable of it. It's like that that is coming out of what are all the other things he hasn't done today that are irritating you or the one thing he did said to you yesterday that that irritated you and now you're taking it you know you're making it all about the trash so that happened that's happened to us recently just with baby stuff you know when things feel uneven you want to bring that up but it's not about being even you know it's a you know love doesn't keep tabs and things like that so
00:23:41
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But I know in the moment we're trying to be like, hey, this right here, this right here, this irritates the heck out of me when you do this. When he leaves a drop of milk in the cart and and puts it back in the fridge, I want to burn the entire house. I would do. Oh, I would do is just like a swallow. What am I going to do with that? And he's like. And and one time I asked him, I said, please ah help me help me understand.
00:24:08
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what And he said, no, and it made total sense. And this was like a humbling moment. He's like, my brain doesn't even, I know that it's empty, but I know I don't have time because the trash can's full. And then I knew I should have taken the trash out. And so my, I get overwhelmed by what I didn't do, but I have to leave for work and I'm going to be late. And his, he hates being late.
00:24:31
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And so in his head, he's like, this is a whole series of events that I don't have time for. And I'm like, okay, see, now I'm less irritated. yeah We've been married for five years. And this was like six months ago.
00:24:47
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I can understand that though. Once you explain it, I can understand that. Yeah. It's like, okay, there's other things going on. Right. So yeah, you're exactly right. The trigger means there were seven other things that happened before that, that we didn't
Cultivating Openness to Feedback
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deal with. How do you think we cultivate openness to feedback?
00:25:07
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I think you have to be brave enough to ask for it. More so when when it seems ah appropriate, just say, hey, I always want you to be honest with me. And if you practice it and you have that open relationship, I think that people will just openly give you feedback and then you can feel the same way about them and then that can be a symbiotic relationship. I think professionally, it's very different. I think professionally, you should always be open to feedback.
00:25:35
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I don't care if you're the CEO or an entry level position. I think part of being a working person is knowing that you're going to get feedback and you cannot be. Well, you can. um But no one likes working with someone who can't accept feedback. No, it's a character flaw. Yeah. And and then no one wants to give it to you ever again because, oh, Jim freaked out that one time we said this thing on that call.
00:26:04
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And everything's very public when you're and in a professional environment, or at least for me. I'm on meetings with a lot of people. Yeah, I think it's it's it's the practice and the personal relationships, because to me, that's easier. And then, yeah, when you don't understand the feedback, ask questions. Right. Don't just be like, I don't understand what the heck he meant by that, and then walk away. And that's the same professionally and personally, too. What would you say is some ways you have to be open. it You just have to be open.
00:26:33
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um The more you do it, the easier it becomes. You just have to practice it and ask yourself, what type of person do I want to be? Do I want to be stuck or am I looking to expand? Do I want to grow? If you do, you know because even the feedback you get, right it can be bad, it can be good. It's still going to teach you something. It's going to teach you, I don't like to hear X or hearing x help me to do this you're still learning from it you're learning how to filter feedback that you don't need so. It starts with where you want to be you know going back to what you said about entry level or at the highest level of a business that feedback loop is important.
00:27:27
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When you say be open, what do you mean? Not just listening to respond, but just listening. And that that takes a lot of practice. And you can tell how well a person is at doing that when you're talking to them. How frequently do they interrupt? And you're not going to be good at receiving feedback if you're constantly interrupting someone.
00:27:56
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Well, you're not because you don't know how to listen. Be open to listening. And it's not to say that you can't have a thought, right? And sometimes people, they feed off that energy of of bantering, ah going back and forth um with the quick responses. And, you know, that's part of ah ah a conversation, right? Someone would argue. But I'm going to need you to really think about what I'm saying here and and understand when it's appropriate to interrupt and when it's not, because that that goes into feedback too. Yeah. I think some people listening probably have some faces popping in their head of people they think will never accept their feedback and people, you know, those difficult people in your life, whether that I can think of more professionally than I can personally, because I just don't
00:28:48
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I kind of like, if you're difficult, I'm just like not going to deal with you. You're not like in my life. ah why with you So professionally, I can't walk away from you because this is you have this job. Yeah, we're stuck. And this is hard, but I'm learning to just swallow the pride and be the bigger person. I'm not going to say kill them with kindness because it's not always kind, but I'm learning to just be the bigger person.
00:29:12
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so Be the one that can accept the the feedback. Be the one who accepts it gracefully in front of everyone in the meeting because people are going to remember that.
00:29:24
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and they're gonna trust you more. And there's no reason in bucking up, to unless it's a respect thing, but there's no reason to you know buck up and flex in front of someone who's not gonna back down and you know that. you know And I've tried to do that professionally so many times and it just never works. It's not constructive. It doesn't do anything, the fighting. But the, I hear you, I accept that.
00:29:52
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But it's hard, and like you said, the practicing will help you be able to do that in those difficult situations. I know that you have a ah lot of um mentoring roles and supervisor roles. I'm curious what happens when you're in a situation and you're giving feedback and the person is not receptive.
00:30:14
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ah Yeah, it really kind of just really irks me when people are like that.
Handling Feedback Gracefully
00:30:22
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Especially when i am your when I'm your authority, that ah that's like a whole other level of disrespect to me. That's image, Allie. and hit it but Yeah, it's like just like, hello and you're so right. You're so right because that's that's my fear of imposter syndrome coming alive and going like, do you not think I'm your boss right now?
00:30:46
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I guess I guess I will keep trying to relate to them as much as possible. I will keep using examples that I think they will understand. I will keep trying, but yes, I will stop eventually.
00:30:59
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I'm not going to keep talking to a brick wall. That's pointless for both of us. And then if this keeps happening, I mean, you might get fired by me because I can't have a team member like that, especially if you're causing problems or especially if I'm telling you feedback because you're not doing your job. You keep trying to help someone. They don't want to hear it. They think they're fine. You're telling them they're not. What what are we doing? One person's not going to ever get their way here.
00:31:26
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Yeah, i've I've been in sticky situations where you you want to tell the person, but you know it's not going to land. You know that they they're going to block you. yeah They are the linebacker, the defensive linebacker, and you're getting face blocked.
00:31:48
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And then when you do muster up the amount of patience that's needed to address a person who is stuck, that's really what you are. When you're not open to receiving feedback, you are stuck. And then you have that hard conversation and the defensiveness comes up.
00:32:08
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you You start to like replay it all in your head like, I knew this was going to happen. I knew I would want to enter in and penetrate. But I would still encourage you, if you're listening, to still do it. Yeah, because yes. And if the person is you know I don't know, having a day where it might be that one chance ah where they are willing to listen because some days were softer than others. Then good for you for having the mental maturity to stick with it. hu and If you are the other person who's listening and maybe you are the one who's being defensive, I would encourage you to ask yourself why that is.
00:32:54
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Yeah, it is usually because you're scared of something and it's professionally, it's mostly because people are scared of losing their jobs. Yes. But what you're doing is going to make you lose your job faster. Well, to me, if I was your manager. But let me ask you this because I think you've been in these positions to reverse it and you're getting feedback from a manager or whatever authoritative figure who you don't respect, you know, is immoral and is doing shady stuff.
00:33:24
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and you don't appreciate their leadership style. Does that go back to what you said earlier about knowing when to listen to it and take it in and knowing when to not? Yeah, at that point, you have to ask yourself, is this feedback that I've heard before? Yeah. Because if so, then there's some truth to it, no matter what you may think of the person giving the message. Oh, okay. You mean from other people or from the same person? Yes. Oh, I see. From other people.
00:33:50
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Because generally, if there is a habit, if you are doing something, chances are you're not just doing it with that one person. You're doing it in other areas too. Yeah. So you you would have had this brought to your attention before, if it's valid. Yeah. So I'm going to listen years later.
00:34:11
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Just be clear. This is gonna take years, okay? So really, it's just, just don't even bother giving Lenny a sweet bag because... And then in the moment, you ah listen, I'm really good. I pay attention. I'm listening actively and i'm I'm right there with you. Thank you. I appreciate it. But silently, I'm like, oh, that's pretty good. Well, maybe I don't need to do that. Maybe I might not wanna... Right. Yeah. Let's definitely not even talk about the feedback that that you probably get. You don't read in the comments section of whatever social media platform you're on. Oh, my God. Hey, don't be that person. if If we if you learned anything from this episode, can you please not be that person in the comments? OK, thank you.
Encouraging Listener Feedback
00:35:04
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That's a PSA.
00:35:06
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for everyone on TV. No one wants to hear that. Unless it's really, really, really positive, go ahead and share that. But otherwise, no. My feedback for Lenny is that she needs to get a computer that is from the 2000s. This is from the 2000s. Okay, the 2020s. It's a little slow. Maybe one day. Maybe one day you'll have a shiny new computer hate ah I think your life would be a little easier knowing the pace which you live your life and then the slowness of your computer. It just doesn't make any sense. I accept your feedback. Okay, good. Yeah. Yeah. And you'll get a new computer in like seven years. right It is brilliant because it still takes the DVDs
00:35:59
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Oh, wow. what Oh my gosh, that's older than I thought it was. All right, well, that was um some feedback I needed to get to Lene's sideline. Sorry. Thank you guys for listening. Please engage with us on and give us feedback. I'm speaking of feedback. We seriously do always ask for it at the end of every episode because we're seriously, we seriously do want it from you guys. So topics that you want us to talk about, but also feedback.
00:36:27
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Your thoughts, your experiences, we want to hear all of it. And that's what the comments section was made for. Yes. Take advantage of it on our Instagram page and on the podcast episode pages too. I want to leave with a quote and get your thoughts on it. And it reads, we all need people who will give us feedback. That's how we improve. That's a quote from Bill Gates. And there's some glory to that. Absolutely. You cannot live in a bubble. I mean, try it.
00:36:56
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And you won't get any better. No. Someone will just come along and pop it anyway. Yeah, it's a lot more, exactly. It's a lot more painful to live in a bubble and then have it popped than just progressively just get better every day. Just 1% better. I'm excited about our next topic.
00:37:16
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Um, let me look at what it is. is Okay, I'm not.
00:37:23
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Oh, it's gonna be so good. The next one I came up with because of you. Oh, yeah, I was texting you and I was annoyed about something. All Well, there you go. You guys will have to tune in. See ya.