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Talking Shttt With Al Snow
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We Sit down with legendary Wrestler Al Snow We talk about OVW WWE Why he brought OVW
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Excitement
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are
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What does everybody want?
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What does everybody need?
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the show. My name's Brian. With me is that handsome devil right there. I'm Mark. Jesus Christ, it takes you so long. Are you OK? Oh, shut up, man. I'm a little excited today. I know you are super
Welcoming Al Snow
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excited. um This one, ah this guest that we have in the green room waiting for us to bring him on the stage, Mark has talked to over the past couple of months, right? About a month. trying to get them, uh, trying to get them scheduled in for our little show here. Uh, we have, who we got. We have Al Snow. Who's Al Snow? Wait a minute. Who's that? Well, you know, he's got different names, but you know, I knew him as Al Snow mainly because you know, he was an ECW, WWF, WWE, uh,
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like but ah dna hous in you know he's an ah shit ton but we gonna bring him on excellent this lighting sucks in this room i am terribly sorry guys oh i did go out get some sun today but the the yeah you so your phone too ah you doing now um doing very well how are you Fantastic.
Netflix Series and Future Prospects
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Fantastic. We're good. We're good. Yeah, we were worried. We were like, uh, I hope he doesn't cancel again. Oh, no, I was trying to find the link and couldn't find it. So I appreciate it. I was a busy guy. value Yeah, I have been, you know, it's been kind of crazy, but, uh, but I appreciate you guys having me on. Oh, we we appreciate you coming on. Yeah. Thank you for accepting the invitation. Uh, let me ask you real quick before we get started.
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Uh, we all, we always try to ask this question to everybody. How is your, how's your day been? How's, how's your day going? Uh, you know, mentally, physically, everything, everything good. Oh, everything goes is great. You know, it's whatever you make of it and you know, busy, stressful, but, uh, but I'm getting to do what I love to do. So, you know, I can't complain. Uh, I think I'm pretty blessed. You are, yeah, I think so too. you You have a fantastic organization that you're running in and OVW. Thank you. Yeah, we we absolutely, I can't watch all the time, but we get a chance to watch, we watch. um we wanted We loved the fact that you guys got to have your series on Netflix.
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Yeah, that was a real benefit and was, you know, once in a million, one in a million once in a lifetime opportunity that, you know, I was so grateful that it happened and really even more grateful that, you know, Greg Whiteley, the director of producer was a part of it and was a major factor in its success. You know, he's so incredibly talented and did such an amazing job of catching, you know, capturing the human side of, uh, of wrestling and, and the, uh, and the stories there. So yeah, just hats off to Greg and all the crew who were just incredibly talented and, and really they, they, you know, they're the unsung heroes of that whole thing because they work so hard every day for months with us. So.
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Is there a season two in the works? Can we not disclose that? No, we're still keeping our fingers, toes and testicles crossed. ah You know, Netflix has right of first refusal. And I think there's still a window of time that they're allowed to make that determination as to whether or not they will pursue a second season. And so we're just in a holding pattern right now in that regards as to whether there will be or not.
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I'm hoping that there's a second season. They got, they, how they got the, what is it? I know that they have your show. They have WWE w coming in. Yes. And they also have heels coming on at the end of next month. And which I'm hoping that they'll pick up and try to get a third season for that one. Cause that was a great show. I loved it.
Wrestling's Popularity and Passion
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Yeah, yeah, it's, I think, um and not wanting to, you know, take any credit, because really it wasn't, it was nothing we did, but but I do think the success of wrestlers on Netflix maybe kind of paved the way and opened the door a little bit for some of these other projects and showed them that there was an audience there that existed. Well, there's a big audience that people just don't realize.
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everywhere you go in the eighties, most people didn't really say out loud, Oh yeah, I'm a wrestling fan. Uh, in the nineties, you got the big boom there. And then, you know, it sort of backed off and then it's starting to come back up again. Well, it always goes, you know, a cyclical nature, you know, through all of the decades, you know, for the twenties and thirties and the forties and the fifties, it's always. you know, has peaks and valleys, and but it's always been there.
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so Uh, we got a question from the Jarvis podcast. What is your question, Steven? Go ahead, type it out. I know it's going to be this long. Uh, while he was typing out his question, um, let me ask you this, the, how did you get into wrestling? What what drove you to it? What was, what was it? I don't know. After 42 years, I get that that question and have been asked that question was a few times and I've never had an answer.
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ah the yeah um And I i think ah if it's something that you're passionate about wanting to do, I don't i don't think you really should have an answer. It should be something that you were you felt compelled to do and and and then you go and you do it. I've been like very fortunate that I've gotten to do it for as long as I've gotten to do it. Just so lucky that you know I know of so many people out there that
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you know, they never really pursue what they want to do as a as a dream and and I did and have gotten to continue to do it until I'm getting too old to do it anymore. So,
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Uh, Cameron says, I wish I still had my picture with you when I met you at OSCW show back in 2007. Old school, uh, championship wrestling. And, uh, I believe that was in South Carolina. I think Charleston, I think, um, surprising that I could even remember that, but, uh, I think anyways, possibly. Um, but, uh, um, Charleston, South Carolina. that's exactly right. ye Don't necessarily remember the picture. I apologize, Steve, but I'm sure you've taken lots of pictures with fans. I'm sure that has happened. I have.
OVW Milestones and Global Reach
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Yeah, it's kind of like a Bigfoot sighting, you know, yeah we have one of those on our network. See, he he sits behind the computer and we just call him a Sasquatch all day long. So it's not Mark because he's the he's the little one. So no, I'm the troll.
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yeah
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the the so tomorrow night what do you guys what do you guys have in the pipe for you guys do a show every thursday is that correct outside w w and a w were the only other company that does a live television production every single solitary week ah We are coming up on July 11th will be our 1300th consecutive episode of television. ah Congratulations, television, ah episodic television that has been on the air longer than us is raw. And that's only because Danny Davis, the owner didn't count all of his episodes of television until w WWE got involved in
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made him actually start to number the episodes. If that were the case, we'd probably be on the air as long, if not longer than raw. So you know we're we're it's pretty ah pretty historic. there's If you think of Gunsmoke, I Love Lucy, Seinfeld, those friends, they all are in the 100 to 200. We're about to have 1,300 consecutive episodes. It's crazy. through Nationally, we are on um several ah television networks. YTA, Action Channel, Next Level Sports, ah Game Plus, the Lilly Network, the RCS Network. And we're about to sign a deal with Right Now now TV Network.
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which gives us some reach of about 100 million plus homes from Canada down to Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Bahamas, and Guam. Internationally and nationally streaming wise, we are on Triller every single week, we choose to be Fight TV. And we're on YouTube as well live and on Facebook live as well. Yeah, I'm really gonna- That's good. You gotta to reach everybody. I've been trying to find it more recent, you know, where I could watch it every week. Cause you've got some great characters there. And I mean, we've talked to, who was it that you talked to? I talked to cash. I don't know. Cash is doing um a show right now. Yeah. He's still with the organization. Yeah. He's still with the organization. He is on a sabbatical. He is in Atlanta filming the second season of Tulsa King with Sylvester Stallone.
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And we, we hope that we can get him on the show as well. Uh, we're not trying to poach your talent by any stretch of the imagination. We, we're just trying to get, we, we just want people to get to know the the wrestlers. We want people to get to know who they are. Yeah, it's fun to know other wrestlers other than what you see like on WWA, WTNA. Uh, I mean, I can keep naming them all off, but you know, there's a big long list of organizations out there. Okay.
Creative Process in Wrestling
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jim Jarvis says, ask him what it was like wrestling hard car Holly in falls count anywhere match, which ended up in a lake or a river. What was that like Mississippi river, the Mississippi river in Memphis. And, uh, yeah, it was, uh, it was a lot colder than I expected. Uh, whether it be in February and, uh, the river was a lot deeper right there by the shore than what I expected. And.
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The water was moving a lot faster than I expected. So sir there was rescue boats, I'm assuming, right there in the water for you guys. I know there were not rescue boats anywhere in Europe. What? No. Holy crap. Southern Outlaws Band is in the house watching. Oh, cool. ah Here is another question from, was the Job Squad character your idea? Yes, yeah, yeah, it was a kind of a smart ass joke that kind of grew and became, took on a life of its own and um yeah, it went a lot further and did a lot more than I ever imagined it would.
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um yeah Did you create all your characters or were some of those handed to you and like, hey, this is what I want you to do? Avatar was basically handed, but you know when you get those things, you know Vince doesn't tell you, he allows you to make it your own. and you know it just At the time, if I knew then what I know now, I could have made much more of that opportunity than what I did. And and you know I take responsibility for that. The Leaf Cassidy, the same thing was brought to me and I was given a certain direction. um you know And was really lucky to have the opportunity to team with Marty Gennady. He's so talented and so knowledgeable and I learned so much from him.
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ah During the time, but you know, it didn't it didn't Work and then the reason it didn't was you know Marty wasn't his heart wasn't in it and and I don't blame him I mean, who you know, he kind of felt like it was kind of I don't know kind of Take your rockers rockers 2.0. Yeah. I mean, when you put, when you take a ah great tag team and you, then you take one away and add a new one to it and then call it the new rockers, it doesn't have the same. It's like when they did it with demolition, you know, that you had accident smash and you had crush and then they take away. I think it was acts and it would, you know, it just didn't work.
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Yeah, I mean, ah you know, the original, you know, Cornette always says nothing's, you know, nothing sounds older than putting new in front of it, you know, and it's doomed the minute you put new on anything. So we will never say this is a new show. LOD 2000. That's another one. You know, as soon as they did that, it just it was destined to fail. Sure. It it doesn't allow the the performers to create their own identity and and make it their own. It's always living in the shadow of of the past. So did you ever have a ah favorite opponent? No, no. People had, you know, I get that question, too. Do you have a favorite match? Do you have a favorite moment? Do you have a favorite opponent?
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you know I have so thoroughly enjoyed what I've gotten to do. And every time I've gotten to do it, there it's very difficult to pick out just one one time, one moment, one opponent, you know that you would go, oh, that was it. you know that was ah That was where I determined that I've really enjoyed that one thing. I've like, ah you know, I tell people all the time, I've been blessed to do it. And every time I go to the rain, whether there's six people there or 600 or 6000 or 60,000, you know, it's always been an amazing experience every time. ah Here's a similar question Cameron wanted to ask. ah
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out of all popular wrestlers out there, who's had the best personality that you've ever met? I think that's probably going to fall along that same line. So I think you've met and go and say it's kind of you know everybody pretty, ah you know, everybody I've met. I can tell you this genuinely, and it's not because I have been one, but but because that was what I had found yeah from the moment I broke into the business. So the wrestlers were some of the most eclectic, eccentric, highly intelligent and creative people that I've ever met and I've met and associated with people from all walks of life and You know, and I've just never really found Anyone who could match intellectually or creatively Wrestlers as a whole But you have to have an imagination to be a wrestler
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I think, you know, it's, you know, cause of some of the stuff that they come up with. I, to make it work, you have to have an imagination and you have to be able to act in and act that imagination out. And I mean, some of your characters, uh, definitely, uh, you know, like, uh, that'll snow when, you know, you introduced head, you know, that was one of the, I think that was one of the, my favorite, favorite things because never seen anybody come down with a mannequin head.
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Well, you know, well they always say that, you know, there's nothing that's really new. and And even that really, I'm sure that somebody's done something similar or close to it in some way. So you had a bowling ball in a bag during a match with test. Oh, several people actually. Yeah. I used to call it the old, he used to split and split.
Physicality and Misconceptions
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Was that that, was there intention to, uh, I don't want to say was there intent to hurt somebody with the bowling ball? i mean No, never. I never, you know, that's that contrary to popular belief. There's nothing in wrestling physically that's fake.
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The only thing that's not real or quote unquote fake is the intent behind it behind what we're doing. And so the intent was never there to harm anybody, you know, physical for real legitimately with a bowling ball. and you know but yeah You know like anything like getting it with a steel chair or you know, whenever you land Taking a bump and things like that. There is a certain amount of actual real physical pain that occurs I wouldn't like I wouldn't I would not want to be hit by a chair I've heard a lot of wrestlers say that that's not fun when you know, it's coming, you know, it's just it's one of those things that you just not ready for no matter what and
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Well, the reason I asked the question about the bowling ball situation was because I didn't know if I know what a receipt is. And we'll explain a little bit, uh, a receipt in wrestling is Brian, brian you're supposed to let the person that knows what a receipt is say it, not you. oh Okay, well, but that's that where that's where my question lied with the bowling ball. Like, where you had had it ever come in across your head, if something happened like that, this is their receipt? Okay. And you answered that. You answered that. Receipts receipts are are a case of where if someone is intentionally trying to hurt you,
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you're you're going to give one back to kind of settle them down or correct them or get things back on track ah or they're being careless they're being irresponsible or they're being disrespectful then that's where you're you're going to give one back you know, and and the objective is, is not so much a revenge or, or, you know, a tit for tat is it is, okay, look, you got one on me. Now I'm sending you a warning. Let's not keep doing this. Exactly. You know, it's, it's, ah it's completely unnecessary. So that's why you usually do those, you know, you give a receipt is to, you know, Hey, all right,
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you got one ah knock it off yeah yeah yeah let's keep going uh al this is from one of the guys i work with uh he said if you were still wrestling where do you see yourself fitting in today's product if you were still performing uh and and he had a great one too and i after you tell us i'm gonna tell you what he came up uh you know where do i see myself fitting in i would you know, wherever I, you know, wherever and wherever I can make myself fit in. That's up to me. That's not up to to anyone else. And, you know, especially now knowing what I know, compared to what I did before, um you know, ah it would be dramatically different. I would, I'm sure I could take more advantage of the opportunities I was given.
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In prior days if I knew them what I know now I could definitely take advantage of those opportunities to their absolute fullest So so Jim says to me the other day he says man Akira Tizawa is a fantastic wrestler he has yeah you know, he says if Al were to come out and Al was wrestling and He'd team up with Akira Tozawa and Akira would translate for Al because Al is the one that doesn't want to talk. So he comes out and he talks to him and the and and explains what you want to do in broken and broken English to the crowd. I was like, I don't know if that would work in today. I don't know if that would work in the product today, but it it could, right?
00:22:45
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you Never know you never know until you get out there and you do it. It's not what it's who and why that matter Have you ever said that ah has had somebody ever told you you had to do this and you just refused to do it No, that never happens. Nobody ever comes up and says you have to do something I mean or they suggest they they want you to do it and and you know you just decide that you know you They're not going to put you in a position where you do something that you're uncomfortable doing because It's not going to work. It won't come across The right way it won't sell and so there's no point in Putting you in that position, you know and you can have
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those conversations and I always advise young talent that if they're in a circumstance or a situation try to identify what it is that what the promoter or the booker is trying to accomplish by doing what they're they're asking you to do and then always have a how about this never just say no say oh yeah you know I don't know if I can really you know I don't feel comfortable doing that but how about this how about if we do it this way and Then that'll still get you what you need and it's a way that I feel I can pull it off You know, you never just outright say no you always have a how about this. You're always creative You're always trying to think how can we accomplish the end goal? Which is to motivate a greater amount of viewers on a weekly basis and more attendance at the events and that You yourself are now a factor in that
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Todd King says, who came up with the idea for the Kennel from Hell match? As far as I know, it was Vince Russo. He was the one who approached me about it. and pitched the idea originally to me. And it was, you know, you take risks, you do creatively, you know, they've, you know, think of all the crazy ridiculous matches that we've seen over the years from scaffold matches to, you know, you know, Kane and Undertaker and the flame matches and, yeah you know, you know, buried alive and
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ah you know And the the problem with you know the kennel from hell is that you're in there with live animals that are unpredictable. and you know Even you know people in porn know that children and animals are going to upstage you.
00:25:29
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yep Oh, man. ah Vince Russo. ah he He created or I feel like he had a big hand in the writing for ah for Dude Love. and band in writing for do love steve austin was he Was he the writer for you as well? I apologize. At that time, there was Vince McMahon, Vince Russo, Ed Ferrara, and that was it. That was the writing team. That's the writing team. Wow.
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Yeah. And, uh, you know, this man was the guiding force as far as from a wrestling perspective and Russo and for our work from the creative perspective. And, uh, so they wrote for everybody. They were instrumental in, in every moment that you saw on raw and smackdown and during that attitude era.
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You were in the locker room when, uh, when dude love made his way back when Nick Foley came back. Um, did he say what it was like to no no longer have to wear the stinky mask? Cause I know that was ah well one of his interviews that he'd tell everybody like, Hey, it's great not to wear that mask anymore. Uh, you know, we, we never really talked about it. I'm sure he probably did enjoy it. I'm sure a lot of the guys enjoyed him not having to work with him wearing that thing. know It really stunk, didn't it? What about the cane mask, that one too? Well, that any of those leather products, the the sweat and the acidic properties of your sweat with the salt and everything mixing with that leather and the dye, inevitably it just, you know, you can't can't wash it.
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You can't clean, you know, you' it's very difficult to clean and maintain the leather. um And you can't just throw it in a washing machine. So it it gets has a tendency to get a little rope ah robust as far as he's concerned. Got it. Got it. Mark, I know you got a questions. I do. I was just looking at my paper. You've got a bunch of questions. Well, I have some. I anyways. because I had like different ones that he's already answered. So I'm here. most I know that OVW and WWE used to work together.
00:28:03
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um I know W or TNA or TNA and NXT is now working together. Have you, ah has anybody ever reached out to you guys to try to work with you? No, not at this time. No. Oh, I hope they do though. It'd be great. If they do, they do. That would be wonderful and always open to, you know, pulling resources and working together and and creating opportunities. but if they don't then you know I'll continue doing what I'm doing and working towards you know growing expanding and building an audience uh for the platform now ah your your wrestling shows I see that you are I don't really see you coming a whole lot south because we're in Florida do you guys ever do any in Florida
00:28:53
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ah possibly, yeah, yeah, we may very well in the future.
OVW Events and Creative Roles
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You know, we're going to Vegas and Arizona in July. We were in Illinois, just this past Friday, I think. ah You know, prior to that, we were in Nashville. ah The month before, um we're going up to Pittsburgh, Youngstown, Milwaukee, Cleveland, all in August. So yeah, we we get around
00:29:26
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Yeah. up Brian, you'll have to buy the tickets for that. um and um listen I'm Listen, I already told you if they moved down here, if they come down to Florida and we need to go see a show, I'm in. Let's go. Yeah. We just did a, Mark took me to NXT for my birthday. I was like, man, that's fantastic. a Right at the armory. I mean, we're literally an arm's length away from the talent in the ring. So I was like, holy cow, this is fantastic. so i making march on taking really good pictures and yeah i posted a picture and
00:29:57
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helped it go along with the reverie that's going on right now with ah ah all of our yeah ah lola viin shana basler and i got like almost sixty thousand views for it and know i'm happy yeah so So that's our deal. I think Marc got some really So we want to push, we want good pictures and to try to help push the talent and push the product. So there's a way that we can help you guys do that. And simply, you know, just having a wrestler come on and talk and let people know who they are and stuff like that.
00:30:34
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Where they're what what their end goal is. I mean, do you have talent in there talking about my end goal is I want to go to WWE? I want to go to they all you know, everybody wants to go to w WWE. That's that's still that's the end destination for everyone, you know, and that's But they all want to ultimately, the the real ah measure of success is can you do what you love to do for a living and and in that and that alone. That you don't have to supplement your income in some other fashion. That you don't have to, you can just pursue whatever it is you want to do and nothing else. And that's the real meaning of success.
00:31:22
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the the you know WWE is the greatest platform out there to help sell your product which is ultimately you the wrestler and of course you're going to want to go there because it's going to facilitate your ability to do exactly what I just mentioned uh but any of the platforms that are out there if you properly utilize them the way they're supposed to be utilized which is to sell yourself and make yourself an attraction not a great wrestler, a great attraction, then you will continue to get opportunities to do that over and over and over again. Yeah, absolutely. ah What about the writing? Who does the writing for OVW? I do.
00:32:09
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You do all the writing for OVW? I do, and I have you know a friend, that Dave Euro, that um I kind of bounce back and forth with. And you know sometimes I, you know because it really helps as a sounding board. And to sometimes if I'm stuck, you know he might give me something that triggers a direction I might not have thought about or an idea, things like that. So yeah, I did all the writing for TV when I was here as part of the developmental program with w WWE and did all of the writing and producing and directing of TV for when and we were with the developmental program for TNA. And a now since I own the company, part owner of the company, I do all the writing and producing and directing of the television again. Is there feedback from your your other owners as to, hey, this is what we'd like to see?
00:33:06
Speaker
Um, you know, they're all very happy with what I do. And at the end of the day, what, what the evaluation of that success is, is whether or not it draws an audience both live and also via the television streaming and, and, uh, other access. Um, and that it does. Perfect. What do you think about the writing in, uh, in current product right now? AEW, WWE. Do you watch, do you watch the other programs? I don't, I don't really get much of an opportunity to watch it. And the only reason is not because I don't enjoy it. I'm still very much a fan, obviously, because if I wasn't, I certainly would not be doing what I'm doing.
00:33:54
Speaker
I just don't get much of an opportunity to watch it because I'm so busy and so focused on OVW. you know Every once in a while I get to watch it and you know hey, you know people are always critical of some something that's not their own. I'm myself, I'm not. And the reason I'm not is because it's not my circus and it's not my monkeys. you all you know, you do you you do whatever you want to do the way you want to do it. If that's what you think will work for you. Hey, who am I to judge? Because I know there are plenty of people out there that will probably watch OVW and it may not be their cup of tea or they, you know, they may have their own critiques about that and that's fine. I I don't mind. You know, it doesn't bother me a bit. I you know,
00:34:49
Speaker
Do what I do the way I do it and that's And I only focus on obw, you know every once in a while. I watch other stuff when I get the opportunity, but It's been it is such a monster managing and supervising and tracking and Everything that goes along with a wrestling promotion but you You also have, ah is Doug Basham still with you? ah Doug Basham is still with me and works as an agent and trainer. And I have several other agents, you know producers that help me with TV or at live events.
00:35:30
Speaker
uh you know um but ultimately the responsibility comes down on my shoulders because I've got the most experience and I've got my name and my reputation that are riding on the uh you know on OVW itself if I tell them all the time if we if if OVW succeeds we've succeeded if OVW fails I've failed there's only one person that you're all going to point the finger at as far as failing and that's going to be me. No one else's name is going to get mentioned and as a result then therefore I've got all the responsibility within I have all the directions. Will there be a link for the tickets to the Vegas show?
00:36:19
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I can, I can actually answer that one. Go to their website. Yeah. OVW ticks dot.com. OVW ticks.com. Yeah. You can, there will, there is a link. There will be, ah if it's not there yet, there will be, you know, the, then you will have a link of its own. You can purchase, you know, at the, at the venue. That's for sure. Yeah. Do you get recognized? Do you get recognized a lot when you go out? ah Surprisingly, quite a bit still, even prior to the Netflix docuseries I was, I was still pretty, pretty frequently recognized by people in public, and it's always flattering.
00:37:02
Speaker
and always pleasant um and I'm always you know very flattered that that they do and a very appreciative that they do you know so and ah you know I tell them all the time you know that like I'm very grateful that they're fans because if they weren't I wouldn't have had a job yeah ah So, you have brought in um a lot of fantastic talent. You recently acquired, and I don't want to say acquired, but EC3, I believe, is is with you guys now? Yeah, yeah. He's been there for a while. Okay. um Are there any other names that are that that you want to talk about that have made it into
00:37:48
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OVW recently I'd you know, the whole roster is is really doing great and You know, there's no one single person that stands out from anyone else, you know, everyone's doing a phenomenal job and and are really Performing very well and on a very high level and and I'm very proud of them Good.
Business vs. Personal in Wrestling
00:38:13
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So you're not, you're not cutting the, you're not cutting the card shorter or anything like that. You're, you're giving people the opportunities as long as they're willing to show up at work. I do that with everybody. Uh, all I care about is if we can make money, if we can draw, I could hate your guts. I can want to see you burst into flames. And if I, if you and I can do business and you can draw money, guess what you're going to get the opportunity to do.
00:38:43
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You know, I could love you dearly. I could be madly head over heels enamored with you. And if you can't draw money, well, I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to give that opportunity to someone else. I don't think in any personal way in any moment at any time when it comes to the dictates of business. All I care about and my responsibility is to the overall good and benefit of OVW and to everyone that's a part of it. No ifs, ands, or buts. And as long as those people are willing to show up and work and and they can make money, help you make money, then they're there're they're good.
00:39:28
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is nor i nor any other booker promoter tony con you name the guy none of them make you a star the talent make themselves a star there that is no if no and no but the talent make themselves a star
00:40:00
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They have that opportunity every time they go to the ring. It doesn't matter what they're doing. It doesn't matter if they win. It doesn't matter if they lose. If they're in front of an audience, they have the chance to make an impression on you to where you now are motivated to watch and see them again. The more they are able to capitalize on that then and create something, the more I then can use that. And together we both make money. The idea that it's the writers or it's Vince or someone else is absurd. That doesn't exist in any form of entertainment. The performer is who makes themselves a star. And they have that chance and opportunity every time they get in front of an audience. And if they don't, that's just like when you used to play baseball as a kid, you got a chance at bat.
00:40:56
Speaker
You struck out it wasn't because the coast it and put you up there to play Yeah, you got your opportunity yeah now And you had the opportunity to make a home run you had an opportunity to be the game-winning hit You had the opportunity to hit that triple you had the opportunity to you know, but you didn't you bunt it you walked you struck out well that was on you and I walked a lot because I was like three foot nothing and they couldn't hit my strike zone. It's terrible. You got to throw it at his feet.
00:41:37
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Oh, man. ah What was the question I was going to ask you? Oh, you'll heal, heal her face. Which, which did you prefer? I spent the majority of my early career, probably 12, 13 years as a heal. And I preferred being a heel because I controlled and dictate match. I call back in the day, being a heel meant that you called everything in the ring. You told the babyface what to do, what not to do, when to do it, how to fight back, when to fight back, how much to fight back, when to die, when to get up, when to stand still, when to run everything. Because the heels job was to get the babyface over.
00:42:20
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so that the baby face them by doing so the heel would get heat because if you don't get the baby face over, you don't get it. Very good. Very good. Uh, should know be if should know be we're here today. Yeah. Where would he fit in, in the OVW product? Uh, I don't know. I'd have to see him go out there and see where he fits and what he does and who he can work with. I thought that was a fantastic character. It didn't last very long. I was a little disappointed. It lasted quite a long time before I actually went to WWE. Okay. I didn't feel like I had enough of Shinobi. It was the whole thing. I was like, hey, you don't get to see it. I mean, when I was growing up, when I was in the 80s,
00:43:17
Speaker
When I was in the eight, back in the eighties watching wrestling for the very first time, it was a hacksaw, Jim Duggan and Hogan and Savage and all those guys, you know? And I felt like Jake the snake at the time was my favorite wrestler. And he was, he was such a better heel. I always thought that he was, oh yeah you know, but when he was a, when he was a face, it was very short lived. the didn't And yeah, it all being a being a healer babyface is all dictated by circumstance You know even in real life, you know Yeah, you're you feel you're always the babyface, but in somebody's story that you know, you're you're the you're the Circumstance that's all let's talk about your I know you've done some acting um we
00:44:44
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We were looking up some stuff earlier and Mark said that you were in Rudy. And I said, no, he wasn't. He goes, I'm credited. I'm credited. I'm credited role in Rudy. And I, I love the movie, Rudy. That was my wife's favorite movie when she was a girl. Uh, who, who, who did you play? What, what character was just a football player, you know, a football player. Um, You know, I got that Dan Severin um went over and was, because he had was friends with a coach of a semi pro football team in Coldwater, Michigan. And they do the NCAA rules I couldn't use actual, you know, college players.
00:45:26
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So they got a semi-pro football team out of Chicago and won out of cold water. And Dan, you know, was over for a day and reached out to me and was like, hey, do you want to come over and work on the movie? And I was like, sure. So we went over and, you know, worked from June of that year all the way up and through December filming scenes for the movie Rudy. So that's really cool. not Gave you credit for that, man.
00:45:57
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Other other movie roles that you've been in Did you did you have did you have anything in particular that you did like didn't like kind of thing?
Acting Roles and Personal Stories
00:46:07
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Sure. Yeah, there was um So it's just a you know, a lot of these would be movies ones called overtime There's one penny dreadful um There was another one uh that uh haunting of alice the uh there's a uh one uh just recently did a supernatural western called unnatural um that was was i enjoyed quite a bit so yeah there's there's several out there you can find them there uh over time i think is still on amazon prime so you can check that out okay
00:46:51
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ah Is there anything in the future for any acting ah roles or anything like that? Because we've got we've got a lot of directors that we've talked to, that we've worked with in the past on our show. And I will tell you that they're always looking for great talent, so. um um you know There's a <unk> a movie coming up, a role that I can't remember the title of the movie, but it deals with a a father who's got an autistic son and he has a the father.
00:47:27
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to deal with you know the the struggles and stuff basically had a childhood stuffed bear that you know he manifests in his imagination and I'm supposed to be the voice of the bear so that one will be a lot of fun just did a kind kind of a comedy christmas movie called homeless for the holidays Oh man. And we're um supposed to be working on a sequel for Unnatural, the Supernatural Western as well. So that yeah. I do them when I get a chance when I have the time and can take steal some moments away from OVW. Gotcha.
00:48:12
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ah Let's see, Cameron's got another question. He was offline for a minute. He said, and no, I didn't know anything about this. What was the story behind you saving a young child and a Riptide? I was in the right place at the right time. And thank God, you know, we both came out of it. ah We were in Destin, Florida. And quite honestly, we were, my wife and I were down there visiting friends and We were supposed to not even be there that day but the day before there was a really bad storm so we didn't really get the chance to go down to the beach. Welcome to Florida. Down to the beach and and when I came down, I noticed there was, they had on the beach these red cones and this like
00:49:00
Speaker
part of the beach and that was where you weren't supposed to swim because there was ah apparently a you know currents and riptides and you know I was in the water and and heard the young boys screaming and and um yelling for help and it looked like quite honestly like somebody had tied a rope to his foot and was just dragging him out into the water. He was going and was trying his best to swim and was yelling for help and nobody was really moving to do anything. I don't know why but so I just sprinted through the water as fast as I could and
00:49:47
Speaker
um Thank God I got there. just I mean, I literally grabbed his wrist just if I'd have missed it. That was it. He was going to go past where anybody could have done anything and pulled him to me and I felt the tide starting to pull me and I held on to him and the water went over us and I thought well and for a brief moment, I thought boy, this is this is it and And then thank God, I don't know why, but I started walking at an angle, which they apparently that's what you're supposed to do is when you have a riptide, you dig your feet in and you try to walk at an angle so you can break the grip. And and I did. And luckily we were we both came out okay. Wow. I don't know why I didn't know anything about that story.
00:50:37
Speaker
I had never heard that before. That is crazy. I wasn't going to. I wasn't going to bring it up unless he did. Because, you know, some people, you know, they don't want to talk about certain things. And I was like, you know, I left that one. You know, I just I was lucky to be in the right place at the right time. Yeah. That was Perry Saturn was in the same kind of situation, not not a swimming thing, but it was a house, a house fire or something like that. House fire. Yes. Yeah, I ripped eyes have ah killed a lot of people too. I have, you know, shit one of my kids, Chad Gaspard and his son, you know, he's just on them was, you know, drug out the ground. So yeah. Uh, how did you get picked to be one of the coaches for tough enough?
00:51:28
Speaker
Was it something they asked you, would you want to do this? or Yeah, JR had approached me. um And so did Kevin Dunn. And I'm so grateful that I had that opportunity. It was an amazing experience. And I really enjoyed being a part of it. and And I was very proud of of it. And still am to this day. I'm really so grateful to have had that opportunity. That was that was incredible.
00:52:00
Speaker
I think is there was some great talent that came out of there too. Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Um, is it, do you feel like OVW and in some ways is ah is still like you being a coach on tough enough in some ways? or know Probably because I was just being me or tough enough and and that's all I'm doing in OVW is the same thing. I'm just being me. Ain't nothing wrong with that. No, not at all. ah did you How did how did it how did it come about you buying OVW? I at the time I was very disheartened and disappointed in the fact that and still to this day that professional wrestling has no standards in regards to training or entrance into it.
Acquiring and Improving OVW
00:52:55
Speaker
I think it's absurd.
00:52:57
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that a licensed profession in any state that requires, has a commission and requires a license to perform professional wrestling should have some kind of state instituted standards. I think the wrestling business itself should and it doesn't anymore. It's it's ridiculous and it's insulting. My wife is a licensed massage therapist And you know whether you're a therapist or you're a beautician or a barber or even a mortician, any licensed profession in every state in the union, in order to be and perform that licensed profession, you've got to go to a state-approved, state-accredited trade school. You have to complete a certain number of required, state-required hours of training.
00:53:51
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taught to you by a state accredited trainer or teacher and last audio last audio sorry battery went dead
00:54:16
Speaker
You have to have a certain number of state, you know, state, uh, supervised, um, hands on experience before you can even take the test. Yeah. Get a license to perform that profession. You want to be a professional wrestler. You can go to absolutely anybody anywhere and you can pay your money and go for any length of time and wham, bam. As long as you pay your money and have a physical, you can have a license. I know a guy that did that it was me absolutely insult i it's absurd and not from i see so many people in all forms of professional wrestling that not just from an aesthetic or cosmetic standpoint, but from literally from a physical conditioning standpoint have no business whatsoever stepping foot in a ring. It is incredibly disrespectful to the audience who paid to see them and to their opponent that they are in such sloppy
00:55:28
Speaker
physical condition to where they are putting their increasing because at the end of the day, regardless of what you all might think out there in the general public, every time one of these people walk to the ring, they have a percentage of risk of having a life altering or life ending injury. And that percentage of risk dramatically increases by your lack of physical conditioning for both yourself and for your opponent. No ifs, ands, or buts. It is come completely disrespectful to you, to your opponent, to the fans who have bought a ticket, and to the business of professional wrestling. Because the first part of professional is profession.
00:56:18
Speaker
And it should be always approached and treated like a actual profession, not a hobby, not a pastime, not a fantasy or joke. It should be treated as a professional athletic endeavor, which is what it is. and you should have enough self-respect and professionalism to be in the proper physical condition to not potentially risk yourself or your opponent or insult your audience for buying a ticket to see you.
00:56:54
Speaker
And that was how I got to be buying OVW because at that time I was so driven. I started approaching the state commissions to institute some of these standards. I went to a board meeting of the Kentucky boxing wrestling commission. And at that time, my partner that I initially started this with Chad Miller was the executive director. um One thing led to another and Danny Davis was getting ready to retire, proposed the option of buying OVW and Chad and myself and my partner Joe Reeves at that time purchased OVW and then I say it's the greatest rib I've ever pulled on myself.
00:57:43
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ah he
00:57:48
Speaker
ah Listen, I think that you you came into a spot that needed you the most because had you not purchased OVW, what do you think would have happened? I think that it would have probably turned into what you were just talking about where nobody cared about the physicality of the wrestlers and their their mental health and their physical health and stuff like that. So I feel like, I think somebody put you in that position to purchase OVW, to make OVW bigger, better, and and to thrive. Well, I don't know, maybe I kicked a puppy or maybe or something, you know, I don't know. Karma works in strange ways.
00:58:38
Speaker
If you don't, let me ask you though, let's let's think about it. If you think about it, do you think that he would have retired and sold it to, who would he have sold it to at that point? If it wasn't you, he would have sold it to Joe joe Smith down the road who knows nothing about wrestling. Yeah, maybe I don't know. I couldn't even tell you. so i think i think i think yeah I think you were put there for a purpose. so Thank you for buying, thank you for buying OVW and thank you for making a a really good product. And we are super excited for what is to come in the future for OVW. And we hope that you guys do get a season two on Netflix. ah My wife is a huge fan of not just the Netflix series because I made her watch it, but the episode one, she was absolutely tear jerking and like, I was like, okay, calm down, relax.
00:59:38
Speaker
Uh, she, she does every once in a while now watch, uh, if we get an an opportunity to watch wrestling, she'll watch with me and she asked a bunch of questions. I don't know why I just tell her to sit down, shut up and hold on. ah my wife does the same thing but she'll sit there and tell me oh i don't like i don't like watching wrestling you know next thing you know she's sitting there watching it with me ah i'm like i and i've been i've been a wrestling fan since wrestlemania three that was my very first event
01:00:09
Speaker
first time i ever seen wrestling and i was like yeah i was hooked like that I'm And ever since then, it's like, uh, you know, people always tell me, Oh, it's fake. I said, no, maybe the outcome is fake, but look at what they're doing to one another. I said, there's no way. I mean, yeah, you're trained to do this stuff, but you're not the, you know, the stuff that you do in the ring. They couldn't do without hurting somebody. I mean, you guys are doing it, learning how to do that. So here's the question I have. Uh, I know that you've been hurt in the ring.
01:00:44
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Sure.
01:00:48
Speaker
About how many surgeries have you had? ah Not many, i you know. probably needed few but um you know you you don't necessarily always just rush off to the doctor because you can't always afford it and you've always got to get back in the ring and keep going so you know i've had my share i've had both my knees replaced you know i had my shoulder reset i've cracked my tailbone broken ribs uh broke my nose 13 times
01:01:20
Speaker
jesus know All kinds of different injuries just is what it is just part of it and you accept it Here's here's my question Hall of Fame push I got it
01:01:35
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with Yeah, and I I think that you know Al has done more than what Coco has Well, that's not up for me to decide. That's up to the powers that so I'm just hoping that eventually they have a physical Hall of Fame um me too that would be be pretty cool I Would love to go I would love to go see it probably just a lot of the stuff there that ah you know, you don't get to see every day and and
01:02:22
Speaker
I hope that they put it in Florida. but Probably in Vegas, I would imagine. Probably now, yes. I could see that happening in Vegas. That means that my wife will get her wish to go to Vegas with me. here you go yeah It might to be to get to divorce after almost 26 years. Oh, come on now. but Al, listen, you have been super generous with ah allowing us to have some of your time.
Upcoming Events and Reflections
01:02:50
Speaker
We don't want to take up all of your time, so we wanted to thank you for coming on and being a part of the show. is there any Is there anything else that we didn't ask you that you would like to talk about, anything you have coming up that you want our fans and the viewers and the listeners to know about?
01:03:09
Speaker
uh well we'll have our next pay-per-view june 29th for obw uh if anybody wants to check it out you go to you know then go to obw obw wrestling dot.com and they can you know purchase the pay-per-view there uh july 11th will be our 1300th episode um we'll be live for that as well and then August 29th, we're having a big pay-per-view at a 4,000 seat agreement in Pikeville, Kentucky. So, check us out there. Very cool, very cool. So, obw.com? obww.com. w chis dot com
01:03:53
Speaker
The first time he. Hold on. Sorry. The first time that he he agreed to come on before he had to cancel because I forget what the reason was that time I'd made a picture because I had taken one of his pictures and scanned it onto something else. I wanted to show him because I just like the picture anyways. Oh, yeah. I'm from American flag. Yeah, I I just learned how to I'm learning how to do certain things with the computer and stuff. And one of them was taking the background out and adding a different background to it. So I was like, okay. Well, guys, thank you very much. I appreciate you giving me the time. Thank you. We appreciate you coming on. Thank you very much. You guys take care. Okay. you Have a good night. Good night.
01:04:44
Speaker
Well, there you go, Mark. You got your wish. Oh, I got one of them. How'd that feel? Oh, that was great. good that was that was Dude, that was fan fantastic. Fantastic. Al is such a down-to-earth guy, super humble, and we're so glad that he was able to finally make it on our show. We don't have the biggest. I was actually, I actually, quite honestly, I was just happy he was real, you know? Oh, oh so guys. So what happened was I told Mark that he was probably being pumped. I was like, dude, I'm telling you right now, if we don't get an interview with Al, it's because somebody is sitting behind a computer somewhere going, I'm going to see how long I can mess with this guy.
01:05:27
Speaker
it wouldn't have been too much longer but i no um'm i'm very happy um' very he would only he would only sent he would only sent a hundred dollars in the fifth you can have it back when i'm done with it
01:05:59
Speaker
Oh, my goodness. Next week, FT. A. What the fuck news will be back on Wednesday? We will be back to our normal schedule programming, I think. Now, as I want to screw with Glick some more.
01:06:20
Speaker
I'm you over here trying to get fired, aren't you? Well, Stephen, knock steve Stephen, knock it off.
01:06:33
Speaker
Uh, so, so Mark, I know, uh, I know that, uh, this interview meant a ton to you as well as it did to me. it was This is just the start of, this is just the start of us going forward. I, I, I hope we can get some more wrestlers and we'll figure a way of working it around their schedule, uh, minus a few days. Um, but we will not going to do Wednesdays unless, unless, uh, WTF decides that they want to do a. unless they want to do a third and i believe that
01:07:04
Speaker
the unless they do it. And not they will be back at at their regularly so regularly scheduled time and they next Wednesday at seven ish, seven ish. OK. But ah but, you know, if if what the fuck news is not on tomorrow, they can always catch us on Bryce Tucker show. Yes, that's right. We will be on ah Bryce Tucker show tomorrow where he is going to sit down and interview us to
01:08:02
Speaker
what what are what are we doing and why what is it not what is it not that I like it we're Uh, because they, you know, the internet screwed up or gonna the storm screwed up your interview. So he said, we'll just put them both together. So we'll see how that works out. I think it'll be fine. Hopefully. So we'll be live tomorrow on his show between eight and eight 30. I believe tomorrow night. I think he said eight o'clock and, uh, we'll be talking shit with, uh, with Bryce Tucker. What's first Tucker show called?
01:08:58
Speaker
ah did he name Did he name it? Yes, I think it's just let's talk with Bryce Tucker. That's what we should have called ours. Let's talk. No, it's going to be a pass. All right, so what do you got coming up for us in the future, Mark? I know you've got a great lineup of characters. Yes, ah next week we have dads worldwide. Brendan Roy from dads worldwide and his partner. I don't know his name. you ah I will learn it before the next show. Um, after that we have, uh, Q Q from He does music reviews. He's going to, uh, put us, uh, he's going to help us introduce what we're doing on June 22nd.
01:09:54
Speaker
Ooh, you wanna know what we're doing on June 22nd? Ooh, what are we doing? oh today You can't know today. We're gonna keep it a secret, Glick. We're not telling anybody. Dude, we've already told people. Wait, did we already tell people? Yes, yes. Dude, it's gonna be our very our very first live on location. Exactly. You can't just stop live because we do stuff live every every week, just about. This is a recording, sir. ah No, it's not. I know. but we get to do a live, a live show from Walmart and Homosassa. And it's a second annual car show. It's to help with the Children's Miracle Network. And yes, they asked talking shit to be part of their show. But that day no figure that day, we are not talking shit. We are talking. to We're going to tell.
01:10:53
Speaker
Shut up. Anyway, shut up like anyways, yes. And if if you guys are local, if you guys are local and you're going to be around on the twenty second. Please sort of love of God. Come and say hello. Jump on the screen with us. Say say hi. Say hi. Tell it everybody, you know, yeah anything you want. ah Nothing's off table. Well, okay. Well, yeah, and we're talking about Citrus County. There's going to be kids there, brother. Yes. So, and if the meth falls out of your pocket, please pick it up before the cops ah before the kids see it too. Um, anyways, I,
01:11:31
Speaker
And then after that, uh, it's, uh, at the end of the month on the 27th, we are going to have, uh, we're starting a new, um, a new episode and it's going to be called what again? Do you remember free for all free for all military military talk? Yes. Every month we're going to have a show dedicated just strictly to military ah service members, vets, you know, all that. So anybody that's in the military can come in?
01:12:05
Speaker
it's home assassin not home home nevermind i'm not no yes anybody from the military you could be in the military uh you can be out of the military you could be you know either or it doesn't matter you can come on it's basically where you guys can talk with one another and you know it's a good thing for the uh military service members It's vets talking with vets. It's going to be a great time. And we we don't have to get into the nitty gritty that it will be that in Monday's show. So if you are if you are following us on the nonsensical network, we'll match by a link forward slash nonsensical network. man I'm going to have to teach you this shit, ain't I? That thing right there. My God, i mean I'm really going to have to teach you something. Am I? My God.
01:12:58
Speaker
Anyways, uh, on, on the nonsensical network, we have shows seven days a week and we got shows, hopefully ah something a little for everybody. Uh, Monday is men caring for men. Tuesday is Jeff's garage. If it fits Wednesday. ah Hey dude, you have to do the whole thing. Go ahead. I don't, I don't see the whole thing. You have to. Oh, Jesus Christ. What if it's, a hold on, hold on. No. That does not count. ah Tuesday, it's Jeff's garage. If it fits in a garage, he'll talk about it. If it has a motor, he'll talk about it. Tools. It's a great show, actually. Hot dogs fit in a garage. Is it going to be talking about hot dogs? No, no, no. It's got to have a motor. Oh. Well, fuck.
01:13:53
Speaker
Okay. and then when And then Wednesday, we have what the what fuck news where these guys will be talking about crazy nonsense that happened and in the news in sports, in entertainment and, uh, what else? Anything else? ah Yeah, something else. i yeah You know, they, they talk about a whole bunch of, you know, crap that happens in the news, the whole fucked up shit. That's right.
01:14:26
Speaker
Glick, no. Anyways, Thursdays is us talking shit. That's right. well friday Friday, Friday, we have Glick's House of Music, however. That will all be dependent upon if he has an interview or if he is just gonna come on and talk about a genre of music or whatever. Dude, he does have an interview this Friday. He does have an interview this Friday. Who's it with? Yeah. Do you remember? Who's your interview with? We'll tell everybody. Write me out. Eric Wayne Douglas. Eric Wayne Douglas. Eric Wayne Douglas. Eric Wayne Douglas.
01:15:14
Speaker
He says Friday 8 PM clicks house of music. Perfect. What do you got on Saturday? Saturday is nonsense. Go nonsense. Open door challenge. They invite everybody on the show and whoever wants to come on, hit the link, come on, talk some talk shit with the boys and girls, whatever that nonsense called nonsense shit. Right. But there are requirements though. Yes, there are requirements. You must have a camera. And it must be on. And? And? Oh. Keep your wiener in your pants. I was going to say you must wear pants. Sure, but keep your wiener in your pants, too.
01:16:03
Speaker
Hey, and then Sunday we wrap it up with, right now, ah the Jarvis podcast. Steven will be talking about movies, video games, ah anything that he can think of um you know that's going on in the and world today. However, you guys need to stay tuned because There couldn't possibly be a rebranding or a new show. We're not sure. So stay tuned. Yeah, Steven hasn't told us anything.
01:16:42
Speaker
Just keep your wiener off camera, Glixos. Keep it below the camera. but
01:16:52
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Mark, you got anything else? No, I'm done. You understand that I just had a birthday. I'm like 74 years old now. Fuck you, man. You're only 47. You're not much older than me. You're only five months older than me. ah It feels like 30 years older than you. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, yeah. Oh, and guys, no no note this down for everyone watching and listening still. If you own a pool or if you get in a pool, take your cell phone out of your and pocket. Just say it. Okay, are you good now?
01:17:39
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ah so why that's funny I still can't believe you did that. yeah You and me both did. All right.
01:17:49
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From us here, from us here at Talking Ship, my name is Brian. I'm Mark, and we're out of here. We're out of here. are
01:18:26
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good some minutes