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Introduction and Hosts
00:00:06
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This podcast is part of the Deluxe Edition Network. To find other great shows on the network, head over to deluxeeditionnetwork.com. That's deluxeeditionnetwork.com.
00:00:34
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Guys, welcome to Talking Shit. I am Brian. I am one half of Talking Shit.
00:00:43
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I'm here with... I got a lot of feedback. Give me one second, boys. All right. Sorry about that. I'm here with Mark. Mark, say hello. Hello.
Guest Introduction: Trevor Allen
00:00:55
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And Mark, um we're on the Deluxe Edition Network. um We got some podcasts of the month. Real quick, you want to give those guys a shout out? Yeah, it it's Bev's Video Kingdom.
00:01:08
Speaker
theyre They're great. You should go check them out. um I actually have not, unfortunately, I have not got the chance to listen to them, but they're on my list.
00:01:20
Speaker
We got ah tons of people on the Deluxe Edition Network, so, you know, we got a lot to catch up on. Good deal. But trust me, Bev's Video Kingdom, you're on my list to watch.
00:01:34
Speaker
And guys, today we have with us, we're waiting on one. We're waiting on Mr. Andrew Jacek, but we do have a little bit of surprise. Mr. Trevor Allen.
00:01:48
Speaker
Trevor, what's happening, buddy? Hey, how's it going, guys? It's going well. It's going well. For anybody that doesn't know who Trevor is, Trevor has a persona or had a persona. Do you still have the persona?
00:02:02
Speaker
No. You own the you own the persona. you I mean, that's you. Haven't done that persona in like nine years, man. That is Ryan Stone or Ryan Stone, if you say it best. And that was the purpose of the name.
00:02:16
Speaker
And no, I don't think a lot of people got that. You know what I mean? You're only the second person to have ever said it to me like that, too. Only one other person has ever said to me, oh, did you do it because of this? Yep.
00:02:28
Speaker
Rhinestone. Rhinestone. Yeah, he had to say it twice today to me. I'm like, okay, say it again.
Wrestling Beginnings and Tag Teams
00:02:34
Speaker
And then I was like, oh, damn. It went great with a Andrew's, ah ah what he had. so David E. Jones. David E. Jones, yep. Oh, yeah. And, well, he had that name.
00:02:48
Speaker
Before we teamed up, he yeah, he him and I, ah we did, I was as a singles, he was a singles. He was doing the sailor gimmick and called me in. was One day we we did a show in Los Angeles where he just needed a third guy.
00:03:02
Speaker
And it was they were booking him with some other gentleman. And I think his name was Jebediah. He was doing like a a Hick gimmick. I think his actual name was Jebediah Hicks for his character. and And Andy wasn't really liking it. And he's just like, we're not vibing. You know, I want to...
00:03:17
Speaker
I want to try something. And so he called me He was like hey, do you want to come in and do this six man at this lucha show in L.A.? I said, yeah, sure. I was up there for work anyway. um So I swung by. We did the show.
00:03:28
Speaker
And he was just like, I think we got something. We we clicked. we were We were training together. So him and I were hanging out. we were And we had the similar, you know, ah attitudes towards wrestling. We had very similar senses of humor. And so we got along pretty good. And he's like, I want to try this tag team thing. There's not a lot of very real, sense of there's not a lot of real tag teams that were around SoCal at the time. Like you had the Ballard brothers. I kind of want to say that was about it. um
00:03:59
Speaker
And so he was like, I want us to be a team, dress the same, look the same. And I was all on board. I wasn't doing anything singles. At the time, we we were with Mike Rapata. And it was like, yeah, let let's give this a shot. Let's go.
00:04:12
Speaker
And so you know I shaved the head. i went and we went and got matching gear. And bill Anchors Away was born. it was like January 2007, want to say that was.
00:04:27
Speaker
Yep. That was the promotion I met you in. I met you in SAW. Yep. I was a ref for a lot of your guys' stuff. And then I started training. You beat the ever-living crap out of me.
00:04:39
Speaker
ah i wish I had to do Andrew beat the ever-living crap out of me. I mean, listen, ran laps. i ran laps with uh trevor in the ring when it was in my backyard when we had a new wave for wrestling and he says all right you start and i'll chase you well he passed me three times i think that's what happens when you're me and out of shape so i don't think trevor could do that now or not sorry andrew i don't think andrew could do it neither no neither of us could
00:05:15
Speaker
I don't know. I think i think what but you guys did in the business really brought a lot of light, too. Because, I mean, you guys were the best heels that I ever had an opportunity to work with. Thank you.
00:05:28
Speaker
Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I really think military men, when they when they dress up as military men and wrestle, I think they're better suited as a bad tag team, you know, bad guys, than anything else. Because it always, you know, you get that heat, especially being, you know, You're supposed to be in the military. You get the heat.
00:05:48
Speaker
and But trying to make it like ah like they did with Sergeant Slaughter, you know turn him a keel. They got him heat, but you know almost got him killed too. Right. Not just once, several times. so Right.
00:06:01
Speaker
So um ah how long did you wrestle for?
Career Challenges and Farewells
00:06:04
Speaker
10 years, pretty much almost to the day. My first match was October 1st, 2004. And my last one was, oh man, I blanked on the actual date, but it was like mid-October of 2014.
00:06:18
Speaker
We did come back. We did one two more matches in late 2016, early 2017. And that was kind of like we never had a send off. You know, ah when it was our final match, you know, Andy had come up to me and, you know, wrestling's not paying the bills. We had real jobs.
00:06:36
Speaker
And so he came up to me. was like, hey, my job's making me work Friday nights, Saturday nights. And that's the prime time for indie wrestling shows. And so that at at the time, i was having I was in the middle of a really bad back injury.
00:06:50
Speaker
I got hurt in 2009, and it crept back in about five years later. And at the whole year of 2014, I was in pain. Every match we did, I hurt, didn't go away afterwards, and i twenty four seven in pain. And so I was like, okay, I'm okay if you need to take a step away. And we kind of were like, oh, well, this is probably it then.
00:07:12
Speaker
We kind of... mutually talked about ending it in 2014. and But this kind of was like the, well, I guess it kind of has to happen. um But I stuck around to him and so did he. We we were training at the SoCal Pro School, not training ourselves. We were helping teach the the next generation of guys coming in.
00:07:32
Speaker
And so when I was leaving California, I'm now in Colorado, ah the idea came to for me to to have this like final go away. And so we did, we did a couple more matches at SoCal Pro, had ah you know a career match and left.
00:07:49
Speaker
um did our little, you know, waved goodbye. There was no speeches, nothing like that. It was, we lost the match. We stood in the ring, gave a hug, walked up the ramp, waved goodbye. And that was it. Yeah. We turned on each other. No, ah yeah you know what? I, we would have, if both of us were sticking around or one of us was sticking around, you know, but none of us really were sticking around in the, and you know, actively we were behind the scenes, you know, helping out, you know,
00:08:13
Speaker
Helping coach for SoCal Pro and so on. At least that they gave you time to you know say goodbye and stuff. yeah yeah some Some organizations, they don't give you that. you're out the door You're going out the door. Okay, well, sit at home on your paycheck then. you know Well, what's funny is in 2014, we were the SoCal Pro Tag Champs.
00:08:32
Speaker
We lost the titles and that was it. but We didn't show back up for two years. Who did you did who you guys lose the titles to? a SoCal Crazy and Katana Vera.
00:08:44
Speaker
And SoCalCrazy, for those that don't know, he is one of the... Is he still one of the top luchadors in the San Diego area? Or is he gone from San Diego?
00:08:56
Speaker
So he's still in San Diego. I don't believe he lives there anymore. i think he moved to like the l LA area. oh you know I don't know how much of his story you guys followed the last few years.
00:09:07
Speaker
But he hasn't wrestled in three years. Oh, wow. And... It's public now, so I could bring it up. He had cancer. He got diagnosed with cancer. and That's what I know the name.
00:09:21
Speaker
And he so he went through a lot of treatments and is working working to hopefully come back to the ring one day. I know next month, SoCal Pro, actually, they just had a show on Saturday night. I was watching it. They streamed it on YouTube.
Family, Wrestling, and Streaming
00:09:35
Speaker
It was great. I finally got to see the last two shows. They've been streaming live on ah YouTube and SoCalWrestling.tv.
00:09:41
Speaker
ah Both, you know, check it out. I'm going to have to check that out. I'm going to have that out. I like watching all the types wrestling. Yeah. I like this. I like watching all different types of wrestling. I don't just stick with WWE or any of that. If it's on, I watch it and my wife hates it. Because I grew up on it. Wives are like that, though. That's the thing. My wife and are massive fans.
00:10:05
Speaker
Oh, wow. My wife and I met because of wrestling. um And we still are massive fans of wrestling. I, you know, if I moved a little bit, there's a couple women's titles on the bottom of that shelf. Those are my wife's.
00:10:19
Speaker
She wanted her own belts. So she got them. but getting back to SoCal crazy. So they announced that the SoCal pro show on Saturday that he's going to come back for a I don't know if it's a promo. I don't know what he's doing, but on March 18th, uh, in Vista, California, SoCal crazy will have an appearance in the ring. I don't think he's wrestling at least not that he's told me, um,
00:10:41
Speaker
but he's coming back. I think he's at least going to say something to the crowd. but That's my understanding. So it's awesome. You know, he went through treatment. um I believe they, I don't know what the term they're using for him, but I believe the treatment was effective.
00:10:58
Speaker
So remission. I don't know if they're using remission. Maybe ah I'm not familiar with all the the medical terms for all that. I'd, Well, for him to be able to come back, it has to be remission, and there's no way that he'd be able to wrestle. Oh, if he still had a full-blown game. If he's wrestling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If he's going to wrestle, and and that's the thing. We don't know that he'll Don't know, yeah. I don't know what the plan is, what's going on. He keeps me in the dark on that.
00:11:21
Speaker
So that is March 18th, so we need to make sure that we're checking that out. That's going be live on YouTube. Is that right? I don't know if this one will be. Lately, they've been kind of last-minute streams. Okay.
00:11:35
Speaker
but I know i have a Jeff who runs it is, has been um testing the waters with streaming ah with, ah there's a gentleman named John. He runs Steel Cage Radio and he does streaming for a lot of the different groups out in Southern California, like Santino Brothers, PCW. I think he did one for recently, but he built SoCalWrestling.tv. It's a Roku channel.
00:11:57
Speaker
And he um streams these shows. And it's for me, in in Colorado now, it's cool getting to see the guys that I know, you know, the Tommy Wilsons, Jude Diz, Anthony Idol, seeing those guys come up. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to laugh. But um I ah just got a message from Andy.
00:12:19
Speaker
He said, I told him me it was less than a minute. we go We go live. He goes, oh, my God, I thought it was eight my time. Tell him to get his ass on here. It's fine.
00:12:32
Speaker
Sounds like Andy. I don't, you know, listen, EST. I mean, i know there is a girl that wrestles in the WWE wwe who says that she's the EST. Maybe that's what he was thinking. like Maybe you have to write out Eastern Standard Time.
00:12:46
Speaker
That's all fine. It's fine. i no No, we're all adults. You should understand EST. We're all adults. We're all adults. I work with multiple time zones for people. I work with people in my day job all around the world.
00:12:59
Speaker
Got it? Come on. They're time zones. Easy to figure out. Come on, what do you So what are you doing now that you're
Life After Wrestling: Colorado and IT
00:13:05
Speaker
not wrestling and and living in California? Living in Colorado where you freeze to death half the year or most of the year.
00:13:12
Speaker
Not true. Actually, I was surprised. I never lived in Colorado before moving out here, and I was surprised at the mild winters. This winter has been in exceptionally cold. ah i had We just had the snow that fell at in the end of December melt.
00:13:28
Speaker
Like last week, we just had it melt. That's not normal. Normally, we're in like the 40s, 50s throughout the winter. It's not blistering cold. We get down into the negatives. I think we hit a record. We had negative 20.
00:13:40
Speaker
a few weeks ago. But it's that's rare for Colorado. The winters are very mild and dry. We get actually, like, snow? i from Since living here, I had a blizzard Memorial Day.
00:13:54
Speaker
You're supposed to be having a barbecue on Memorial Day. Yeah, instead I was sitting in wearing a hoodie and sitting under a heated blanket. but But ah for for my day job, I ah i work in IT. t And that's what I've been doing for the last, since about 2008, I've been in IT.
00:14:13
Speaker
And I've been with the same company that I'm with today for the last 11 years. That's when i I left California. I left the military in 2008 and moved back here to Florida. And when we hit 30, I cry.
00:14:26
Speaker
I hate 30 degree weather. ah can't stand it. I love it. They want us to move motorcycles around in the wintertime. I'm out. I don't want to do any of that. I thought you had people that do that for you. No, no, I do that.
00:14:40
Speaker
I do that. so ah So on this wrestling topic, I want to go back to that. um Let's talk about your favorite. What was your favorite venue to wrestle in?
00:14:51
Speaker
Oh, that's easy, easy. So when we started New Wave Pro Wrestling, the first show we did was at this YMCA that was in downtown San Diego.
00:15:03
Speaker
I remember the facility. it was huge. Oh, my God. and the Where we had the ring was just amazing. They had like an upper deck running area. We weren't allowed to go up there. we ah There was one match Andy and I did against the Ballards where we broke the house rules and we fought up the stairs onto the running deck that's above the ring.
00:15:22
Speaker
um But the locker room was just great. it It just felt upscale. And, you know, I've changed in the back of, you know, U-Haul trucks.
00:15:32
Speaker
You know, that the locker room was a yeah U-Haul truck. There was a curtain at the end of the U-Haul truck, and that was the entrance. The state the ramp down from the U-Haul truck was the stage. Oh, wow yeah. You know, so, and and really, those were fun for me. I love doing little shows like that. But that was my favorite venue of of that I've ever wrestled in.
00:15:51
Speaker
I could say the Cow Palace, but that was a one time. I only did that once. A lot of people, like um they talk about the Cow Palace a lot. Because like when I was ah reading a book on, um who was it?
00:16:07
Speaker
The Young Bucks. They talked about when they did their indie shows and stuff like that. they A lot of old wrestlers also talk about the Cow Palace. Yeah. Very legendary. Very legendary.
00:16:21
Speaker
That's where AEW is tonight. Yep. Didn't we run into some people when we were out handing out our, hey, we got a show coming in? And did we not run into some wrestlers that were, i mean, they were just assholes, man. But they were, they're bigger names now. And I cannot remember who that was.
00:16:42
Speaker
I'm trying to remember. I know we've gotten some flack from flyering. Oh, you know what? One of them was
Promoting Shows and Fan Interactions
00:16:50
Speaker
a gentleman that we don't talk about anymore due to the, what was that movement that happened in 2020, the Me Too or something like that? Speaking out. Speaking out. That was the wrestling version. There was a gentleman that was called out quite a bit during that. that He was one that had an issue.
00:17:07
Speaker
yeah um PWG had an issue with us handing out flyers at their shows. Yeah. Yeah. that's it And it's not like we were in their show handing these things out. We were outside. It was like, Hey, I hope you guys enjoyed their show.
00:17:22
Speaker
Come check out this show. One of the problems with that was, and this is what this is my assumption, I think our next show had Scorpio Sky. And Sky was doing an angle in PWG where there was a gentleman coming in where Sky had just been unmasked. But then all of a sudden the gentleman was coming in wearing a Scorpio Sky mask, wearing his Scorpio's gear and wrestling as Scorpio Sky.
00:17:46
Speaker
And I remember Andy going, I think I got some heat at PWG. I was like, why is that? Well, after the show was yelling out, you know, trying to get our flyers handed out saying the real Scorpio sky, the real Scorpio sky is coming our show.
00:17:58
Speaker
And yeah, next thing you knew, we had some DMS from some people that weren't too thrilled with it. One of the people had that, you know, the one that will remain nameless had to pull off the show and he chose to because of that. Um,
00:18:10
Speaker
Yeah, got a little heat for it, ah but nothing that wasn't you know brushed under the rug within 10 minutes. Not too big of a deal. I ran into more fans that were kind of douchey. We would hand out flyers at like WWE wwe shows. And you know people would look at the flyer and be like, I don't know any of these people. If you're not an impact or WWE, wwe they crumple up and throw on the ground. It's like, have to be an asshole about it.
00:18:33
Speaker
I remember those. And then i remember the I remember some of the kids that were excited when we were going to the church. We were going to go wrestle at a church and they were like, oh my God, you guys are SAW. That was back when we were with Rapata. And man, these guys, these kids absolutely loved it. They ate it up. They were like, can you sign this for me? I'm like, yeah, I'm i'm just some nobody. I mean, you that sure. I'll sign. What do you need?
00:18:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, and you know that was the coolest thing. you know Mostly it was you know the the smart marks. And I hate that term, mark, by the way. I think it's stupid. I should be get rid of it. But it was those guys that were kind of douchey about you know who we had on an indie show.
00:19:16
Speaker
um you know i remember we had like Frankie Kazarian on our first show, and there was someone like, oh, you got the low-tier TNA guy. And I like, are you not watching Frankie Kazarian and how awesome this dude is?
00:19:28
Speaker
Underrated. Underrated. He was always underrated. Absolutely. But see, that's what they don't think of indie guys back then like they do now. No. No, it's different. think yeah Yeah, it's way different. They want to pick and everybody from the indies. That's good. But, you know, they're finding out now that, you know, like, ah who is it? um
00:19:52
Speaker
There's a few of them that can make killer money right now in the indies. Yep. but you know they prefer not to go back to like wwe they don't want to go to aew and impact well that's just there to go every now and then um impact is probably the bet one of the best wrestling shows that not a lot of people are watching right i haven't i've watched it every now and then because i keep forgetting that it's on thursdays but Come on, not everybody gets that channel neither. No, no,
Industry Challenges: Impact and TNA
00:20:22
Speaker
that's the hard part. i was having a thiscom I was having that exact conversation with a buddy of mine last week about Impact, and we were just talking about the good stuff that they've been putting on lately. And I and i made mention of that. I was like, it's tough when you either have to have Impact Plus to watch it, or you got to have that channel. And this and we were this got into that topic because we were talking about AEW potentially getting a streaming service.
00:20:47
Speaker
And i like if they got to move it to their own and another $10 a month for another streaming service, it's like they have to they better partner up with HBO Max or something like that because that's going to get them the most eyes. And it's probably less – I'm calling it streaming burnout. you know You guys probably remember back in the day we had Hulu, we had Netflix.
00:21:06
Speaker
That's all you need is that you got everything. yeah Now we've got to have Paramount, Disney, HBO. and once Too much. Exactly. And once you start having to pay for these side streaming services, it's very tough. I had Honor Club for the longest time. I canceled it back in 2019 because I was like, it's just not worth it. But now now it's going to be on there now permanent where that's where ROH is going to be. And I loved ROH, but
00:21:36
Speaker
with Tony Khan having it, I don't know how well going like it.
00:21:42
Speaker
I'm more worried about where it's at. you know Being on Honor Club, you're goodnna you're gonna that is only going to get put out to a very small audience. That's not going to be like Dynamite. You look at Dynamite. It's on TBS. You got Rampage on TNT.
00:21:58
Speaker
And they're still not putting in numbers. you don't terrestrial or cable or satellite, you don't need that to really make a dent, but you need to be tied to something that has an established viewer base. That's why don't think impact took off the way AEW has, because one, they kept moving channels. They were on spike for the longest time, but at that time, was TNA really putting out the best products?
00:22:21
Speaker
Not really. No, because actually at that time, that's when they started bringing in Hogan, yep Flair, all the big names are all the older big names older right and they were forcing the younger ones to job for the older and to the hall of famers right and and that's because they needed they needed their you know they needed to have their butt kissed and you know hogan you know i've i've always been a hogan fan but you know he he needed to lose
00:22:53
Speaker
There's a lot of them that needed to lose. But yeah, no, and I think that's that's a problem that I think this ROH is going to have. I think the talent-wise, I saw the spoilers for the the tapings they did this past week, and I'm like, yeah holy shit, there is so much fantastic talent on these cards that everybody should be watching this.
00:23:12
Speaker
Well, when it's not accessible, how are you going to get to it? and That's where I have a problem with a lot of these, you know, oh, build your own streaming services. You've got to attach yourself with with an established one. If you want to grow that viewer base, Ring of Honor sitting on Honor Club, you're going to get viewers. And listen, you put out a fantastic product, people will pay for it.
00:23:34
Speaker
But how many people are going to want to pull up another streaming service? I used to have IWTV. I canceled it because it was just another streaming service that I had. Yeah, you got $9.99, $9.99, $9.99, $9.99. I mean, come
Streaming Services and Wrestling Promotions
00:23:47
Speaker
on.
00:23:47
Speaker
You're killing me with all the 999s. I canceled New Japan World for two years. I recently picked it back up and were watching almost every show that they put out. But there was a two-year period where I wasn't watching New Japan as often as I should have because that. Yeah, New Japan was – mean, watching New Japan alone, you're sitting there, you're watching it, and you're like, oh, my God. They got these little tables that are this thick. Oh, my God. They go through them or either that or they don't go through them. They bounce. They bounce really good. All right.
00:24:17
Speaker
And I'm like, oh, my God, that is so messed up. But they have so many great the best matches. um yeah what What is it? Kingdom? Wrestle Kingdom.
00:24:28
Speaker
Yeah, Wrestle Kingdom is one of my favorite ones that they put on every year. The wife and I get up at 1 o'clock in the morning, and we watch it Jesus. and The last two years we've done it and we did it when they did the three nights last year. yeah. Luckily it was just one night this year, but oh my God, I was tired. Those days were rough, but I'm not going to work the next day.
00:24:50
Speaker
I work from home. So it's like, I really have no excuse. Yeah. So, uh, so we talked about the favorite, uh, venue for you. Uh, So I watched a promo just recently because I was doing a little bit of homework after Andy said, yeah, I'll come on and I'll, I'll be on the show.
00:25:09
Speaker
And I was trying to remember the promo where he is in the ring and you're standing next to him and he is going off on some chick on, on some woman And saying, you know, we're this, we were this champion, this champion, this champion, you dumb bitch. Oh, yeah, that's the one I was watching earlier. lost my mind. I was like, holy cow. That one on YouTube. That one is on YouTube. That was for the go away in 2017.
00:25:42
Speaker
that was so that was That was that? That was the last match that we ever had together. Which is funny. It was actually 10 years to the day. Our final match as Anchors Away in 2017, January of 2017, was 10 years to the day of our first ever as Anchors Away.
00:26:01
Speaker
I was like, it's kind of, I was like, just kind of poetic. It worked. ah Andy just messaged me, guys. He's asking, I don't know. Did you get that message? He was asking what he did. Tell him to log in.
00:26:16
Speaker
i just I just told him, he says, i'll be I'll be done in about two hours. If we can do it then, I'm so i'm super sorry. Well, I mean, he can do it from his phone.
00:26:27
Speaker
i don't know what his job situation is like these days. No, he actually, it's not his job. It's new pro or it's ah what what is it? ah SoCal Pro he's working with.
00:26:38
Speaker
ah He's got to do his thing, man. Let him do his thing. Yeah, I know. Yeah, he's ring announcing for them now, which is really cool. I like seeing it. I'm happy he's i'm happy he's still around around the wrestling business. Oh, hell, he should have us on there. Take his phone. you know Oh.
00:26:54
Speaker
He's probably at training. I don't know what, maybe he's cutting promos. They're probably filming something. If you actually go to the SoCal Pro YouTube page,
Training Journey and Memorable Matches
00:27:01
Speaker
they just put out last weekend, their first ah TV show, SCP TV. It's him and Rotten Ronnie Thrash just promoting the upcoming events. They show a live match, but it's fun. They do ah they do some skits. Thrash is absolutely hilarious. One of my favorite people in general.
00:27:20
Speaker
um And they really have a fun time bouncing off of each other with their jokes and whatnot. They're they're awesome. So go back and watch it. I think it's like 20 minutes. It's not even that long. um But it was the hype for the show that they did last Saturday.
00:27:36
Speaker
Very good. ah Promotion. you've been in where did You started in SAW, is that correct? Or was was there something before? So I never wrestled. My first wrestling match was for SAW, Southwestern Alliance of Wrestling. But I started training first in 2002 with Jesse Hernandez and the Empire Wrestling Federation.
00:27:58
Speaker
So that's where I was. I trained there for about seven, eight months. Then I had to go finish school. Once I got out of school, I found Mike Rapata's school in Oceanside.
00:28:10
Speaker
And that's where I went. And I was the first match on the first ever SAW show. And that was my first match ever. So yeah, so I trained with EWF for a while. But SAW is where I had my very first match.
00:28:23
Speaker
Very cool. And out of the promotions that you did work for, I don't want to upset anybody, but what was your favorite? I'm going to be biased.
00:28:35
Speaker
Okay. SoCalPro. Okay. I would say New Wave since it was my company, but I feel that's kind of, nah. we stopped booking. our we We didn't wrestle for our own company after about a year. I think we only did a few matches in our own company. And were like, this sucks. I don't like having to um wrestle, book, and then run the show.
00:28:56
Speaker
Wrestle book, promote, yeah yeah set up the ring. i mean, come on, man. yeah we took We took ourselves out of that. We're like, nah, we're not wrestling for you anymore. SoCal Pro is my biased answer just because you know that's where you know I'm still great friends with Jeff.
00:29:09
Speaker
But... and but them empire wrestling federation that was because i trained with jesse that was always my goal to go back and andy and i actually were two-time tag champs for the ewf um those would probably be my two favorite uh absolutely bias and that answer 100 percent uh because like i said i got nothing but love for jeff and jesse so those i'd probably say it's a two-way tie everyone else could be at number three when you get your own promotion yeah don't want
00:29:43
Speaker
Oh, when you did your own promotion, how many times did you put the title on yourself? Once. And I actually won the tag titles without a tag partner.
00:29:53
Speaker
Andy had something come up. Couldn't make the show. We were booked to And andll I'll preface this. i didn't We did not want to put the titles on us. We didn't. But we had no other tag teams. And the guys who were our champs called us and were like, hey, listen, we're getting a lot of opportunities in a lot of different places.
00:30:13
Speaker
We like working for you guys, but we want to take these opportunities. We can't be your tag champs anymore. And we were the only other established tag team in new wave.
00:30:26
Speaker
So we put the tag titles on us, but, and that was the whole plan. We were going to take them, but, and then Andy, something came up and couldn't make our own gig. So I ended up doing a two on one match, right? ended up beating the tag champs by myself, putting the titles on me.
00:30:41
Speaker
Was it a dirty match? What's that? Was it a dirty match? No. No, we did it full on. Like I pinned them clean. There was no cheating. And I was a baby face. Oh, okay. We were a baby face in our own promotion.
00:30:54
Speaker
And right the next show, we put a tag team together. The next show after that, they won the tag titles off of us. It was like, let's just get a tag team established and get the belts off of us as quick as we can. We got some flack for it There are people like, oh, the bookers are putting the belts on themselves. We're like, who else are we going to give it to?
00:31:15
Speaker
Yeah, pick two guys. well we'll We'll put them on two guys. so Let's go. right who was the Who was the team that you beat? Chimera, which people would know as Ricardo Rodriguez from WWE, wwe and Big Nasty, Eric Watts.
00:31:29
Speaker
Watts, i but i think he's dropped every one of those except for just the word Watts from his name. I haven't i haven't talked to him in years. Wow. And I think he does like the United World Network or whatever they call it United Wrestling Network. I forget what. It's Dave Marquez's thing.
00:31:46
Speaker
All right. So do you feel like the best promo that you cut with Andy, was it the one, was it the very last one?
00:31:57
Speaker
Because I don't remember you talking in that one. I don't, I didn't. So Andy was always the talker. Uh, yes. And I mean, it's, it's, I mean, a big surprise. He coaches a high school debate team.
00:32:10
Speaker
Like, come on, really? Is that a big shocker? The guy talk could talk his way out of anything. Uh, I always said he was the best promo I've ever heard. Just saying enough that he could come off right off the top of his head.
00:32:24
Speaker
Um, It was just amazing. ah If wwe WWE would hire him just to coach people on promos, they should. um I mean, the guy, any type of
00:32:41
Speaker
phrase that you could think of, you know, selling a ketchup popsicle to a woman in a white coat, you know, those types of phrases, those all apply to Andy. Like it's insane how, what he could do. ah My promos, no no, I never got that good.
00:32:57
Speaker
I never even came close to couldn't even scratch the surface. My promos were terrible. They were ass. I would think I would sit there and go for an hour picking apart what I wanted to say. And in like two minutes, he'd like, yeah, i got it. And it's the best thing I'd ever heard in my life. It's like,
00:33:10
Speaker
Like, what what the hell, man? Teach me some of this shit. We're driving in cars every fucking weekend. and Come on. Sorry if I can't say the F word. No, you're you're good. We're not PG. We're not PG or PG. I swear a lot. So it it takes a lot for me not to. um You know, it was like, I hear him in cars. Him going on rants about random shit in the car for you know, three hours. That was entertainment to me. It wouldn't be music or whatever's on the radio.
00:33:34
Speaker
No, it would just be him going off and cutting a random promo on things. um he's Talking about the car that just cut him off and right in front of him. Uh-oh, this son of a bitch. And he'll go on for 20 minutes about it, and it's hilarious. No, the dude has the best promos. Mine, i can't even think of a promo of mine that I liked.
00:33:53
Speaker
ah So i it's hard for me to answer that question. ah yeah hit him hit My favorite promo that he ever did, and I don't want to tell the full story of it because that's on him. I wasn't there for that. But he does this promo where he's spelling.
00:34:11
Speaker
And he's just like, I am cunning. well What was the U?
00:34:17
Speaker
He spelled out C-U-N and then was about to say the last letter when it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. mean I'd cut him off. But that was all his idea. And yeah, that was my favorite one that he's ever done.
00:34:29
Speaker
Okay. Is there anybody else that you can think of in any of the promotions that you were with that could cut a promo as well as, or was there one that stuck out to you that you would be like, Hey, and I'd put this guy against Andy just to see,
00:34:46
Speaker
Who cuts the better promo? Nobody. Not one person. No, there's great promos in SoCal. Not going to beat around the bush on that There's absolutely people that are great at it. I think he was even a foot above them.
00:35:00
Speaker
um Again, bias. I got to listen to it for 10 years. and But I don't think anyone could really hold a candle to the promos he was cutting. He was he was on another level.
00:35:13
Speaker
And it wasn't like... And the reason I say that is I watch people cut great promos, but I watch them practice it over and over and over yeah before it was their turn.
00:35:25
Speaker
I've watched Andy come out and cut a great promo when they just went, hey, I need you to cut a quick promo. And it comes out and they're and everyone is standing in in the locker room while they're filming it and they're just like watching him. there's it's No one could step up to him.
00:35:40
Speaker
I was there. Trust me, I know. Yeah, yeah you did. You saw a lot, yeah. perhaps So, you know, since ah Andy's not really, you know. He's no longer with us. He's still, yeah. Well, that's what I told him on there anyways. um Who's the best talker right now in all of professional
Promo Skills and Wrestling Personalities
00:36:00
Speaker
wrestling? All of pro wrestling?
00:36:02
Speaker
Who do you like as as the best promo cutter in the best? I think there is two, maybe three that are are the best of the best.
00:36:15
Speaker
That's tough. Because right now, you know, you have the Miz who doesn't skip a beat. Never. Yep. You have MJF that would tell his own parents to go fuck themselves on live TV. It has. Yes.
00:36:31
Speaker
But then you also have um james got or James Storm. Ooh. He's a good talker. You know, he backs up his stuff. ah You know, Miz has his own.
00:36:44
Speaker
you know He's a great talker. He's a two-time grand champion. um And then you have MJF that you know he could run yeah ah run ah you know anything down.
00:36:58
Speaker
But you know he doesn't wrestle a whole lot. No. And that's good. well but Well, you see, the only thing I don't like about that is that he doesn't wrestle over a whole lot. is He always has the same thing. Every time somebody wants to wrestle him, he always has to have gimmicks.
00:37:14
Speaker
for it. you know Daniel Bryan had to go through what seven matches to be able to face him. um Chris Jericho had to do so many Cody Rose got, you know he got whipped the the steel cage match. And then something, ah you know, he had to go through hoops but every time it's something like that. And I think that's a good staple for MJF. um I think it's cool that that's what he makes people do. You know, you know, if you're going to get into a massive a massive feud with him, you're going to go through the steps.
00:37:45
Speaker
ah I didn't care for the whole thing with Ricky Starks lately with Jericho, where he did the same thing. i was like, ah like, if you're going to do that with Jericho and Ricky, don't have someone going through that with Max.
00:37:57
Speaker
Um, right. But to answer your question, man, Ms. Ms. is fantastic. And it doesn't seem like anything shakes him. Um, you know, uh, I, I love the James storm. I, that's, that's not someone on my list, but once you said that name, that's why i went, Oh, cause that's a good one. He's got some, he's, he can cut a great promo. My, ah my favorite, my favorite one was, um,
00:38:21
Speaker
with mjf was when he was doing his stuff with uh um punk hu i think that was some of his best work right there you know making punk believe well actually is true that you know he you know when punk quit he sort of you know didn't give a shit about anybody after that that's right i mean he's telling the truth and everything and ye you know you have punk on the other side saying is that true is that all true and you it's one of the some of the best He got his headspace.
00:38:49
Speaker
He got right in his headspace, boy. I'll tell you what. And it blurred that line between fantasy and reality. Yes. um Also, it's like ah you know James Storm. you know James Storm, he you know he drinks his beer. He kicks ass. I've never cared for him as a bad guy, but he's got that bad guy persona. Right.
00:39:10
Speaker
But he always made it good. But they them not putting the title on him except one time was – bad you know the world title and he's had so many tag team championships oh yeah you gotta eventually say okay this man deserves a good title run not one match and he gets beat by his tag team old tag team partner right um and you got so many different ones but i mean if we went with the greatest of all time you know that would be the harder part Oh, yeah. So for me, so thinking about it a little bit more, my favorite is actually my favorite for greatest of all time, too, and it's Chris Jericho.
00:39:51
Speaker
Chris Jericho has become, in my opinion, he's the best wrestler of all time, greatest wrestler of all time. He's a wizard. See, i don't I can't do it the way that they do it, you know, the greatest wrestlers of all time. I have to do it by the generation that they're part of.
00:40:11
Speaker
you know, or decades or, I can't go with this, you know, of all time because quite honestly, there's not going to be of an all time for everybody. No, there's there's multiple things. like Even um somebody asked Seth Rollins that question recently. You know, who's your Mount Rushmore wrestling? He goes, well, you got to have two of them. and they're like, huh? And he's like, oh, yeah. You know, who's the who's the greatest ah draw of all time?
00:40:34
Speaker
And who's the greatest in ring of all time? And that's how he broke it down. Chris Jericho doesn't even think he's the – he shouldn't even be mentioned as – One of the Mount Rushmores. He's my number one. read that in an article today. Absolutely. He's my number one pick. I think he has the best promo. Miz, like I said, dude, there's nothing stopping that, dude. You could throw anything at that guy, and he's going to adapt and do it very well. And MJF is probably up there too. He's got a lot to grow. He's fantastic at such a young age, but I think as he gets older and more time and the more guys he wrestles with, he's just going to get even better, which is mind-numbingly insane that he's going to get better.
00:41:16
Speaker
And then, well, yes, it but that also depends on where he goes in, you know, next year. I don't think that's happening. I don't think that, I don't think any of that's real. I think that was the trope that he was pushing before. before Well, no, his, his contract is up next year. I don't, but I don't think he's, I don't think he's going to go to WWE because I think WWE is going to handcuff him.
00:41:36
Speaker
He won't be able to say half the stuff he says. That's true. but but i don't even think that i think when he res resigned I think when he got the money, that when he came back at All Out, I think they added more years to his deal. I think he got the money he wanted, and I think they locked him down for the extra time.
00:41:54
Speaker
I mean, it makes for good TV, though. makes people think, oh, is he going to? That's like ah Kenny Omega. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, absolutely they added, they added time to his because when he was off now, the question is, is when his time's up, does he go,
Speculations and Personal Preferences
00:42:07
Speaker
does young bucks go with and follow Cody's lead and go to WWE? w Now, I don't think, I don't think that I really don't think it's going to happen because they won't have control.
00:42:19
Speaker
I don't even think it's just that. I think it's, this is, this is the end for them. This is where they're going to finish up everything. Uh, I don't know how much time Bucks or Kenny really have left. They've been around for quite a while. I mean, I wrestled the young Bucks in 2008.
00:42:36
Speaker
Yeah, was to ask you that one. And they were they were great then. And I just think, and they've done so much. I think i don't think they're going to be around long enough to go have a career in WWE like AJ has. you know if If they were going to have a more longevity,
00:42:55
Speaker
Maybe, but I don't think they're going to be wrestling in their 40s. They've been doing it for so long now. Right. They started when they were kids. um The interesting part about that is though is they only wrestle once a week.
00:43:09
Speaker
Yep. Because they don't have no house shows. for eight At least not yet. Actually, no, no. They ran one. They ran one just recently just to see how it would do. But now with them not doing it all the time like WWE w does, yeah They're not going to have it like that.
00:43:25
Speaker
no So it's going to be interesting to see. and if i'd like Quite honestly, I'd like to see the young bucks in WWE, even if it's for a year, just to say that they were there. They went to all promotions. They could say that they're the best of all time.
00:43:40
Speaker
you know I hate that quote because there is no I don't think there's a such a thing as best of all time. yeah You hear it all the time in basketball. Sure. MJ or...
00:43:52
Speaker
or LeVron James, well, you know, then you have to throw Kobe into it, which i don't like any one of them, you know. But the difference between, this is where I like, because like what you said, how you how you break them up by decades and all that, or eras.
00:44:08
Speaker
Wrestling is so subjective. You know, I could sit here and go, I think Chris Jericho is the greatest wrestler of all time. And I could say my number one is Chris, then Sean, Brett, Flair, and AJ.
00:44:20
Speaker
Those are my top five. Somebody else could have a completely different top five. And I'll look at them and say, you're right. You're absolutely right because it's subjective. It's our opinions. there's The only thing you could really defend is how much money did they make during their careers? And that's the one where you got to rank it you know like by draws. Who's the biggest moneymaker? Probably John Cena of all time. Oh, yes.
00:44:42
Speaker
Hey, you got a nice little pussy in the background. um I love cats, by the way, so that's awesome. back up He's going to go behind there and take a pee. ah ah No. That's what I love about about wrestling is how subjective it is and how everyone, there's no right or wrong answers to who you like, who you don't like. It's all based on personal things. I'm not a fan of scary movies. Does that mean it's, they're bad? No. no There's freaking amazing scary movies. They just don't do anything for me. You know? Exactly. i A lot of people are like that. You know, I love scary movies. I love them because, you know, I know what what's going to happen. I like the gore. I like the the killings. and i like well I like the sex appeal you know about it. you know Sometimes you get movies that have nudity and whatnot. true you know I like that.
00:45:31
Speaker
but There's some people that don't like it. Mark's 13. yeah i mean Look at my toys. Doesn't that tell you something? I got more toys over here. Bro, I'm turning 40 in 15 days. and Look at all the shit behind me. yeah I get it. I'm a child. but i mean I had to go out. I wanted this belt so bad my whole life. I wanted it.
00:45:53
Speaker
I went to WrestleMania three. I watched Hogan slam Andre Randy Savage versus and Ricky Steamboat. You know, those were the, you know that supposed to be the highlight matches, but there was so many good matches there. And that just took me into a totally different era. know, I didn't like wrestling before then.
00:46:11
Speaker
And then when I was invited to go, know, I went and I was like, Oh shit. So when my daughter Chloe, when she was old enough, she said that she wanted WrestleMania tickets for WrestleMania 24 here in Orlando.
00:46:24
Speaker
Nice. She got to see Ric Flair retired. Oh, wow. And she said that she can never forget. Yeah. He's not going retire ever. No, he's going to die in that ring. ah He is. But, you know, it's something that I got to share with her. it was only it was only like eight weeks, you know, about 12 weeks after I got my hip replaced.
00:46:45
Speaker
So going up the steps was a bitch as it was. um But and I had fun there. And she was telling people what was going happen before it happened, who was going to win, everything. And they were like, oh, my God, really? And then, bam, she loved wrestling that much. But then she found something then she found something she liked even better.
00:47:05
Speaker
Boys. Boys. And then I lost her. I got a six and seven year old. I have my two daughters, six and seven. We took them to their first house show back in September. They don't like wrestling.
00:47:19
Speaker
ah We watch it on TV and they're just like wrestling again. um but we took them to a house show and they had a blast. They love Bianca Belair. My oldest got a Bianca shirt. My youngest got a Bianca stuffed doll. um And ah I got to meet, I got to talk with ah Adam Pierce. When he was in SoCal, we rode the roads up and down with him. So I sent him a DM ah about a week before the show, or no, a couple days before the show. And just said, hey, I'm going to be at the show in Colorado Springs. And he's just like, hey, find me. I'll be here. And so I got to meet him, and and he met my kids for the first time. And he goes, who's their favorite? And I said, Bianca. And he just looks at me he goes, of course.
00:48:01
Speaker
Everyone looks like, and yeah. She got one of the loudest reactions of that night, too. And that was bob and Bobby Lashley was in the main event in his hometown. And she, got I think, got a bigger reaction than him.
00:48:13
Speaker
That's That's cool. Let me ask you a question. Storytelling. hu How do you feel it's going in AEW? I mean, I love the promotion, but man. No, there is no storytelling. I'm sorry.
Critiques on AEW and WWE Storylines
00:48:28
Speaker
I disagree. Well, no, they're starting to do better. They are starting to do better with the story. But you have to you have to tell me. there ah Sometimes you you don't get connected with that story that they want you to and how they're doing it.
00:48:41
Speaker
You know, like when the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega, you know, i came back, yeah you know, and they wanted the Trios titles back. They could have done a better story, but they should never put the Trios titles back on them after just being back from their suspension.
00:48:58
Speaker
And that's, but see, now if they did that the first match, I remember watching that return match, and I think that was at Full Gear, if I remember right. I believe so.
00:49:09
Speaker
I remember even telling my wife, because I love the Bucks and the... Kenny, that they're fantastic. I looked at my wife and I said, I think Death Triangle needs to keep the belts. And she kind of gave me this cockeyed look. And I was like, they just got them in September. It's November. Like, let's give them some time. And I was so happy they did the best of seven because I was like, okay, at least we're getting great matches. I was at the one that was here in Denver um at the end of December.
00:49:38
Speaker
Oh, that was a hell of a night. um And that the only thing that pissed me off about that match was I love entrances and we didn't get carry on my wayward son. I was so pissed because they started in the back. It was the no DQ match or Falls County match. I was so pissed. I was like, give me the damn entrance. I love entrances. That's probably one of my favorite parts of wrestling. oh My wife, face she'll be like she'll go to start a match and she'll put it right as the bell's about to ring. i was like, no, rewind that shit. We're watching the entrance. No, yeah go back.
00:50:08
Speaker
The Undertaker's live is yeah one of the best ones. Best. him um i think he was I think at his was the best one. Absolutely. night Especially after he won the title from them. It was like, wow. That's right. That was the match with Edge.
00:50:24
Speaker
Yes. Yeah, that was really good. But getting to your question, so I disagree about them not having stories, but I've got a little bit of ah ebb and flow with AEW. And I think after...
00:50:38
Speaker
I went to all out in 2021 where punk had his return match with Darby. You had Brian Danielson out at the end. You had Cole come out at the end. And I, and I went there with Jeff Dino, the guy who runs SoCal pro and his wife and my wife as well. Um,
00:50:56
Speaker
and we were driving back to the hotel. And I just remember I was just on a high from that show. That was the greatest live event I had have ever been to.
00:51:06
Speaker
And I was like, I wasn't even wrestling and I feel like I could run through a brick wall right now. And that was to me, so far, the peak of AEW.
00:51:18
Speaker
I went to Double or Nothing last year in Vegas and that was when Punk beat Hangman. After that, And I started feeling a little bit of a decline after after All Out of 2021. Well, that was when everybody or when people got suspended, when that fight broke. No, no, this was 21. That was 22. Oh, 21. Okay. Yeah.
00:51:39
Speaker
I was at the year before. And I felt like that was... there I was like, there's no stopping. We're on a we're on a damn train that has no brakes. We're going. Oh, that's a bad joke to make right now. But was like, we were running through. And I felt after Punk got it, I was like, okay...
00:51:58
Speaker
and then Punk gets hurt, and we go through that whole thing. And then we go through the fight at All Out of last year. I think Double or Nothing started a little bit of a decline in something. You know you started having guys getting hurt more. you know We haven't had Cole since June. um Brian got hurt at Double or Nothing. We didn't see him for a month or two. Because of a head injury.
00:52:22
Speaker
What's weird is I couldn't even tell. Nope. that anarchy in the arena match was one of the oh that was awesome my buddy and i uh my buddy and i were uh i i i bought i brought my buddy and his wife to the show with me and my wife and we were freaking out like when they kept playing john moxley's music and we were like oh this is cool they're keeping it going and then it restarted you audibly hear the crowd pop on the restart and it was like holy this is amazing like i was so I was even jazzed up after Double or Nothing, but it was like, man, something declined. And I don't know if it was the people, the booking. I don't know what happened. To me, um honestly, I think it was the fact that you they were having the same people over and or go over again winning the titles.
00:53:11
Speaker
Two, they're not progressing other stars like they should be. And three, that was around the time when they started to go down when is when you know, Cody left.
00:53:25
Speaker
That hurt. i and I understand why Cody did what he did, but that also goes with my next question. I'm going have for you in just second. um You know, he was just, I think that their storytelling went way down. I really do. it did And I, you know, I've been watching wrestling for a long time. So, you know, in the eighties, you know, you had where they didn't really have a whole lot of st storytelling and stuff.
00:53:49
Speaker
But when they came up with a story, you know, it, it ran. So my next question is, is what is the best story line story out there right now? Ooh, out there today.
00:53:59
Speaker
Yes. Oh God. if If anybody says anything other than the bloodline versus Sammy Zane and Kevin Owens, they're wrong. I know I just said, you know, opinions can't be wrong, but that is the best story.
00:54:12
Speaker
And that has had me the most engaged in WWE wwe product in years. I went from 2020 until WrestleMania last year without watching a WWE wwe product. Because Cody showed up, right? My wife's favorite wrestler is Cody Rhodes.
00:54:29
Speaker
And when he showed up when he showed up, it was, we have to start watching w WWE again. And then, of course, he gets hurt at Hell in a Cell. But we kept watching Raw. We really don't watch SmackDown too often.
00:54:41
Speaker
And it was... But that, but yeah, that's what brought us back to WWE. But we I stopped watching them in, I don't know, August, September of 2020. And we didn't really watch them. I watched WrestleMania of 2021, but that was the only pay-per-view we watched that whole year for w WWE. Then we watched you know WrestleMania last year, and that's when we started watching again.
00:55:03
Speaker
um But yeah, Bloodline and Sammy, I mean, that's had me the most engaged in wwe WWE in a long time. Do you see him having a title, you know, putting a title on him for this reason?
00:55:18
Speaker
Sammy? They should. it won't happen. I think that they need to split up the title. That needs to happen. Like ASAP. Cody needs to have one.
00:55:29
Speaker
And... Sammy needs to have the other. I don't think that's going to, I would love Sammy Zane to be a champion. I don't see them pushing them forward. I see him pushing Cody, but I don't see him pushing Sammy. And I see Sammy as a, a B plus player.
00:55:48
Speaker
Well, yes, but they said that about who. Right. Right. I know that's why you said it too. Yeah, exactly. But I mean, you think about it, you know, he, he reminds me of Daniel Bryan. Absolutely.
00:56:00
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, dude, Sammy is i I've been watching Sammy and Kevin since 2006, 2007. two oh i have The ring of honor the first time I actually got to watch him wrestle. I saw PWG, yeah. oh oh Kevin Steen.
00:56:16
Speaker
Yes, that was I loved that character, and you know he got away with a lot. And I love the fact that you know r ROH allowed them, or allowed him to pick his last matches with who he wanted.
00:56:28
Speaker
And... He wrestled some of the best matches, and he's still wrestling some good matches. Oh, yeah. he just And he's a great storyteller, too. He's got that mouth that, you know he's not as you know, he's not as good as, you know, some of the other ones. But when he talks, you listen.
00:56:46
Speaker
And that's one thing that um I'm a part of that wwe WWE fan something where they send you the surveys. How did you like to pay for you? Yeah, so am I. And recently there was one of who is who is your favorite guy going today or favorite superstar today? And I put Kevin Owens. And I said, why?
00:57:02
Speaker
And I said, because I believe everything that guy says. When he cuts a promo, there it doesn't sound like a script. It doesn't sound like it's fake. It doesn't sound like he's just playing a part.
00:57:16
Speaker
It sounds like that that Kevin really wants to do this, whether heel or baby. I think his promos are just top-notch. They feel authentic. It's the same reason why i love Eddie Kingston. I think Eddie Kingston is yes any one of the greatest people in the business today.
00:57:36
Speaker
You know what? That's a guy that I put up there as ah as a promo, as one of the best promos. i There's never a ah promo he's cut that I think, oh, wow, this guy's kind of faking it or phoning in. or you know ever No, he makes it make fifty he makes it sound real. real like yes you know when When they talk about his weight or they talk about his his parent or his mom, you know he takes that to heart and he puts it into full pledge. And he he's awesome at it.
00:58:04
Speaker
and And that's why it's hard when he's when he's on the mic to tell right what's what's real and what's a shoot. you know And that's what you're looking for. And you're like, is he he's bullshitting us right now, right? no No? is that That feud with Punk that he had yeah just set me even more over the top with Eddie. and and And Brian, do you remember Alex Saint from training days back at New Wave?
00:58:31
Speaker
Alex Saint. Alex Saint. Skinny white kid? No. No? No, black kid. Nope, don't remember him. Okay. Him and I were hanging out quite a lot back then, and he turned me on to Chikara back in 2007. And seven that was the first time I saw Eddie Kingston.
00:58:49
Speaker
Yes. And I i remember there was he was showing me a Chikara DVD, and they had a promo of Eddie right before a match. And I was like, who is this guy? And how do I see more of him?
00:59:01
Speaker
Something at that moment resonated. It's the same thing with Kevin Steen, Kevin Owens. and Something resonated with me with those performers. and Because they're like us. They're yeah normal people. they They're not, you know, got the big builds and yeah they don't have all that. They're normal. You know, they got the big belly. like by ah that's That's like, ah you know, watching um Lucha Underground. Did you ever watch that?
00:59:26
Speaker
No. I watched the first season. That was it. Yeah, it see they had you going. you know It was yeah weird. you know They actually used it as a big storyline through the whole season. The next season, it was a totally different story. and But yeah you got to see some you know wrestlers
Influences and Wrestling Personalities
00:59:42
Speaker
there. Johnny Morrison. I can't remember what he was there. Johnny Mundo.
00:59:46
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Mundo. Um, and then, you know, Ray Mysterio wrestled there for a little bit and they had some good, good, but now you've seen all those wrestlers in a lot of them are in AEW. Shane Strickland, AR Fox. Yeah. Oh, AR Fox, man. He's so good.
01:00:05
Speaker
Uh, yeah. Uh,
01:00:09
Speaker
I never really got into the Lucha Underground stuff. I had a buddy who really did and he kept trying to get me to watch it. And I watched most of the first season. It just didn't, it was good, different. I liked the different production styles, um but it never really grabbed, it never grabbed me, you know?
01:00:29
Speaker
True, true or false on this one, Trevor? Uh, uh, Ray senior actually showed up to one of the shows. Is that right?
01:00:39
Speaker
and chopped one of your wrestlers. Is that correct? That vaguely sounds familiar. I got hit in the head a lot and that was a long time ago. um It sounds familiar. ah I feel like it is is very familiar. I don't remember who got chopped.
01:01:00
Speaker
I don't remember if the chop was was a hard chop because I remember taking chops with you guys and it was not fun. you know You could do three or four and after four, you're done. like you're You remember that pectoral tear?
01:01:16
Speaker
Yeah. so That's what my chest looked like one day. Could you just imagine if getting one from the big show? I would love to. I would love to. I would too, but the handprint would probably be like I took a lot of pride in my chops and I had somebody once tell me I had the hardest chop that he had ever felt.
01:01:34
Speaker
um And I took a lot of pride in that. ah Looking back on it, a little weird, a little masochistic. I did break up. ah When I was in Saw, um there's a gentleman named Strings ah that wrestled. And the first time him and I wrestled, I gave him one chop and his chest started bleeding. And was like, we're good.
01:01:55
Speaker
I'm good. I don't need to hit you again. i love chops. i loved I'll take them, give them. Didn't matter. yeah out of all the um You've seen a lot of wrestlers for, you know, you're you're wrestling for what?
01:02:07
Speaker
A little over 10 years, yeah. Okay. What's the, in star power, what is the, you know yeah who's the most famous one that you've wrestled?
01:02:20
Speaker
Most famous? Oh, easy. um It's actually the match that I hurt my back in. It was me dressed as Doink the Clown. My partners were the Honky Tonk Man and Diamond Dallas Page.
01:02:35
Speaker
And I wrestled three other guys that you'll never... Well, one of them was Ricky Mandel. if Brian, I'm not sure if you'd remember him from the SoCal days. but he was it But Ricky was dressed up as Parca.
01:02:47
Speaker
Interesting. yeah The other two guys were just, just nobodies. Jerry gray. He runs out of Florida. He does a lot of like, uh, fairs. I don't even know if he's still alive. He was sick last I heard.
01:02:59
Speaker
Uh, and this other dude named Henrik Volkov. Henrik is the one that actually hurt me. Uh, and that's the reason why I had to stop wrestling. Um, But that was probably the most famous people I've wrestled with.
01:03:12
Speaker
ah But I've done stuff with Brutus the Barber Beefcake. He beat up Andy and I once. Masquerita Sagrada, or he was in WWE wwe as El Torito, the little bull. Okay.
01:03:25
Speaker
He beat up Andy and I once at a lucha show. I did stuff with Buff Bagwell, Rick Steiner. ah Wrestled the Young Bucks.
01:03:37
Speaker
um Yeah, a lot of those guys you see in AEW, I wrestled them. New Wave, we booked Miro in his first ever match.
01:03:49
Speaker
Jungle Boy booked him when he was 11 at an elementary school. yeah His dad even came by and was super cool. luke his dad was His dad was always going to his events. Yeah. and this this is like his first match. He was 11 years old. And we had him with one of his trainers, niki New York Knockout Nikki. And they wrestled two other ah guys from the the same school that they were at with Rick Drayson. And one of them was another another kid from Rick's child class.
01:04:17
Speaker
as And so was a lot of fun. um But I got to wrestle Miro in his like second ever match. uh you know they weren't famous at the time but they are now uh yeah i think that's about it i've wrestled um the mighty don't kneel shane haste and mikey nichols uh from new japan they were in wwe wwe for a little bit i think that's about it in terms of star power been on shows though with multiple people um I saw Scorpio Sky wrestle Shelton Benjamin at a little show in San Diego at the downtown YMCA. That was really cool.
01:04:51
Speaker
ah But yeah, the random shows met Sonny a couple times. I don't know if that's a brag now. but No, it's not a brag now, but back then it would have been. Oh, yeah.
01:05:02
Speaker
Yeah, this was right after like her Hall of Fame entry. She was still okay looking then. she got back oh wait wait minute that was before she uh that was before she did the porno yeah no this is back on the nose candy yeah yeah before she got you know she got into the dui so she screwed anyways trevor if you could go back and take it all back i'll start all over sure what would you change i wouldn't be fat Well, me neither, but i mean...
Career Reflections and Wrestling Passion
01:05:34
Speaker
That's it. That's the only thing I would change. Listen, you're married and happy, right? im so Yeah, I mean, I really have nothing to change. um
01:05:41
Speaker
You know, like, I wish I would have taken it more seriously. I wish I... You know, there was a period where Andy and I got in crazy good shape. And... That lasted for about six months.
01:05:54
Speaker
And then we just kind of fell back off. I feel like that's when you guys started New Wave. Like when you guys first started New Wave, you were you were like, oh, yeah, we're we're doing this now. Like this is a – yeah. it is what It was right right then. like No, this that that moment when we got in crazy good shape was like 2010. Was it? um Yeah. Okay.
01:06:14
Speaker
i and I dropped like 70 pounds. Andy dropped like 50 or 60. Like we were like, let's let's make a go. And I don't know what it was, but we kind of sloughed off after a while and it went back to our old habits. But that's probably the one thing I would change. you know i was actually just having this conversation with my wife. We were talking about Kevin Owens and ah why I like Kevin so much. And you know and I said to her, i was like, here's the thing though.
01:06:44
Speaker
People see Kevin and they go, yeah, I could do that. But Kevin has something. Eddie Kingston has something. There's something that you can't, the it factor, you know, they just have something that draws you in.
01:06:59
Speaker
I don't have that. You know, i I think Andy probably could have made a better go of it, uh, than me, you know, being in the shape we were in just because of his promo ability and how he is talking ability. Um,
01:07:14
Speaker
But for me, I would have had to bring something else. And I think being out of shape, overweight, fat, whatever you want to call it, hindered me quite a bit. And I had somebody you know close to me in the business even tell me as such, like, if you guys got in shape, you'd probably get a little more opportunities.
01:07:29
Speaker
And we were getting great opportunities. Hell, we wrestled for Ring of Honor WrestleMania weekend once because Adam Pearce was super cool to us. you know it add And and that was that was... I'll never forget that.
01:07:41
Speaker
And... But I do think if I was in shape, if I was jacked and I might've had a different go at it, you know, maybe I wouldn't have stopped in 2014, but I don't know. That's probably the only thing I would change, but honestly, I'm happy with how things turned out. I,
01:07:59
Speaker
At our busiest, when Andy and I were the busiest, it was I would work Monday through Friday, get off work Friday, pick up Andy, go to our first show Friday, drive back home, go to a show Saturday, drive back home, go to a show Sunday, drive back home, and then do it all over again. And that was for quite a while. That was our schedule. We wrestled pretty much Friday, Saturday, Sunday for a good long period. And I got burnt out.
01:08:24
Speaker
you know god that's what Yeah, that's what they call them. They call it you the weekend warriors. Exactly. the andiess Exactly. i love that term. And then you don't. And then, of course, you know, a lot of people, you know, they love their job. They love wrestling.
01:08:37
Speaker
But back then it didn't pay. Right. It didn't pay the bills that you needed to keep doing it, putting your body through everything. And, know. Oh, you you earned you earned everything that you that you got when you were in that ring. I'm telling you right now.
01:08:51
Speaker
You earned it from the minute that you set that ring up. You earned it. From the minute that bell rang the time that you're breaking the ring down. I'm telling you right now. oh yeah. So I applaud the hell out of you.
01:09:04
Speaker
i applaud the hell out of Andy. and I, you know, appreciate i think what you guys did was fantastic, man. And that's why, you know, um I wanted Mark to get a piece of this and to hear it from you guys, because Mark is a super fan of wrestling. If you didn't know, I i would love to have been.
01:09:25
Speaker
someday get into one of those rings just to be able to be in it. I can't do anything because of my hips and my, ah you know, my, the problems I have, but man, I just like to see it from that viewpoint one time.
01:09:35
Speaker
It, it, and I still, you know, my kids are, you know, that's the, that's the right thing to say. My kids are the best thing to ever happen to me, my family, but ah there's something about growing up, loving wrestling,
01:09:50
Speaker
and being able to get into that ring and I actually just had this conversation with my seven-year-old uh she's going through some issues at school and she just kind of got a grasp of I've completely hate this because I feel like her innocence is lost now she just understand just now understands what death is And we were having a conversation the other night and I was telling her and I and i said, do you know why daddy became a wrestler?
01:10:22
Speaker
And she goes, no, why? And I said, because I wanted to. This was my dream since I was seven years old, her age. And I said, from when I was seven years old, I said I wanted to be a wrestler. And I said, growing up, that's all I told anybody. And I got laughed at, got told, no, go do something real, do this, do that. And I said, I may never have been famous before.
01:10:42
Speaker
But when my time comes, I have cool fucking stories to tell. And I lived my dream. And there's a movie that the the Peanut Butter Falcon. i've ah I haven't watched the full thing, but I've seen clips. And there's a really cool scene where the gentleman that Shia LaBeouf is working with, is is helping, says, he asked him, he goes, am I going to die?
01:11:06
Speaker
And Shia LaBeouf just looks at him he goes, yeah, eventually. But that's not the question. The question is, are they going have good stories to tell at your funeral? and I'm like, that's it. That is why I became a wrestler. It wasn't was because that's what I loved. It's who I am. Shit. I'm wearing an ECW hoodie.
01:11:27
Speaker
ECF and WT shirt, AEW and WWE figures behind me, championship. but It's my life. It's what I am. And if I didn't try, God, I don't know. i don't know. Like, it felt it was like, I just had to do it. And I didn't make the money. I wasn't famous. i Sure, I walked, I was able to go into a Walmart once and there a DVD with my match on it. i was like, that's fucking cool. But that's...
01:11:57
Speaker
It wasn't about that. It was that seven-year-old kid watching up at the ring going, I'm going to try that one day. And I did. One of the greatest things I'll ever do.
01:12:08
Speaker
um Whether, like I said, whether I made it, whether I didn't make it. There's so many people that don't even get the opportunity to try. And yeah if we don't have if you don't try, i think that's where it that's where things fail. it's like I had to try. I love my job. I love what I do today. I love the fact that I'm here with my family. but I'll be honest, if I can get back in the ring, I would in a heartbeat.
01:12:34
Speaker
I miss it every single day. And it's, it's seriously one of the coolest things. And just being, just being around wrestling to me is just one of the coolest things in the world. It's, it's indescribable. Like I, that's my passion.
01:12:50
Speaker
That's what I do. And it's who I am. And, who all always will be, and wrestling is fucking amazing. and The one thing I love wrestling, it just brings so much together. like I was having this conversation with my buddy. i was like, man...
01:13:03
Speaker
I love when wrestling makes me cry, when wrestling makes me feel. And and I was him, I was like, that WrestleMania 33 at the end of that night when Taker's folding up all of his shit. Now I wish I could take it back, the fact that he came back you know three months later. But when he's folding up his shit and putting it in the ring, my wife looked over at me and I had tears running down my face.
01:13:22
Speaker
And she's like, oh you're crying from wrestling. I just looked at her and I just said, that's the last bit of my childhood walking away. And that hit her. I was like, oh, shit. I mean, technically, that was when he was supposed to play.
01:13:37
Speaker
You know, Vince McMahon talked him into a couple more afterwards, in which I was glad that he did because having that, some some yeah, having match with, ah you know, AJ, you know, he couldn't have went out on a higher note.
01:13:51
Speaker
Couldn't have. That was the best way to go. You were right. The last, I mean, the last time I ever cried ah about wrestling and Of course, you know, that that was one thing. But now that we know that it's different after the fact is when Chris Benoit passed away. Yeah.
01:14:07
Speaker
Yeah. You know, that was, you know until we knew what actually happened, you know, it was like, oh, my God, he was my favorite wrestler. Oh, he was so good. Yeah. Yeah. But you can't talk about him without, you know, people saying, ah you know, you're talking about devil.
01:14:25
Speaker
Yeah. Murder. it's It's really hard. Yeah. It's hard to talk about. It's like a lot of wrestlers. you know If he would have just overdosed or killed himself, he would have been fine. He'd be put in the Hall of Fame tomorrow.
01:14:36
Speaker
Immortalized. yep yep but actually We actually wrestled with someone that mirrored Chris Benoit. Mark actually looked dead ass like a young version of Chris Benoit.
01:14:52
Speaker
Oh, yeah. and he And he used that to his advantage. yeah And he still wrestles to this day. Yes, Rick Ellis. Rick Ellis. So good. So good. Check him out on the Indies, too. Yeah, he's fantastic. You want to talk about some high-flying, no-jiving? I'm telling you right now, this this guy, don't know. that look. he's He has that no-nonsense look yeah to him.
01:15:17
Speaker
He talks like it, too. I've heard he can make promos by him. I think he does cut a pretty good promo. I don't think that he talks a lot in his promo. I think it's pretty short and sweet and to the point.
01:15:29
Speaker
yeah Like, look, I'm coming to kick your ass. This is what's happening. I'll see you on Saturday. Pretty much. But check check his promos, too. He wrestles for a West Coast Wrestling Company. I think he they just restarted back up within the last year or so, and Rick Ellis has started coming back to them. Rick, he did he got he had ah the injury bug for quite a while, so there were things that he couldn't wrestle for a long time.
01:15:52
Speaker
I remember he his dream match was Davey Richards, and he got it, and he blew out his knee leading up to the match. He still did the match. Davey Richards is awesome as fuck, too. Yeah, he is. And afterwards, I guess Davey told ah told him, he was just like, I want to come back and wrestle you when you're healthy.
01:16:12
Speaker
I don't want to wrestle anyone else in this locker room but you. and i was like and And that was really cool to him. He he he loved he loved it. and But he wished he could have given Davey a better match because you his knee was gone. If you watch the match, he's like limping, but he he he gutted it out. Did he get a chance to wrestle him again?
01:16:29
Speaker
No, no. no hasn't davy davy stepped away from the business for that period of time and he wanted to be a teacher or a teacher a paramedic or something doctor yeah yeah he came back to wrestling um yeah he's awesome i i love davy richards uh a little polarizing personally uh i've actually had some personal issues with him uh him and his friends um i don't like tony cozina because of him um Uh, and yeah, that's, uh, but Davey top notch in the ring, top notch.
01:17:03
Speaker
So is that real heat? Are you, are you working the crowd? No, that's real heat Okay. Um, one of my former students, his name is Ryan kid. who's fantastic, by the way. ah He still wrestles too. He's like 26, but been wrestling for 13 years. It's insane. Jesus. I started training him when he was like 12, 13 years old. It's nuts.
01:17:26
Speaker
And now he's an adult, and it's really weird to me. um here ah Kid did a tour of the Midwest. ah And he was like 16, 17 at the time.
01:17:37
Speaker
I don't know if you guys heard of the name Jason Strife ah lately. He was a ah guy out of um Iowa. ah He recently just passed, but he ran a company called Magna Wrestling.
01:17:49
Speaker
yes and him And him and Kid linked up pretty good. And he brought Kid out for ah to do some shows with him. And on one of the shows, he was wrestling Tony Cozina. Tony took issue with in Ryan kids, Twitter bio was something like, I am the fakest fake wrestler of all time. Something like that.
01:18:08
Speaker
Tony took issue with it and shot on him in the ring, gave him a shoot pile driver. Oh, and and i got a call like at 11 o'clock that night.
01:18:18
Speaker
And it was from one of Jason Streif's buddies that helped run Magnum wrestling with them. And it was like, Hey, I got to tell you about this before it hits the net. And he told me what happened. And,
01:18:31
Speaker
I'm all good of handling business in the ring.
Advice for Aspiring Wrestlers
01:18:33
Speaker
you know You want to stretch somebody, receipt them, stiff them a little bit for something that they did disrespectfully. you know Handle it in the ring. You don't shoot Piledriver somebody.
01:18:43
Speaker
wouldn this he only gonna You're really going to mess somebody up. Yeah, like it was stiff. He shot on the guy. He was giving him stiff shots. Grabbed him, pulled him in, Piledro And I'm like, no, fuck that.
01:18:54
Speaker
I got heated. um And that's why I'm not a huge fan of Tony Cozina. Never really got that worked out. There was actually a promoter in San Diego that was going to try or l LA area. He was going to bring out Davey and Tony to wrestle Andy and I. And the storyline of that match was going to be what happened with Ryan Kidd. We were actually going to sit down, hash it all out. Unfortunately, the show pre-sale bombed. So the guy canceled the show and it never happened. But we were going to actually sit down and talk it out with Tony and it just never happened.
01:19:28
Speaker
ah Do I really hate the guy? No. I let go of so much of that bullshit from wrestling. There's no, I hate when people like keep holding grudges. I'm like, who gives a shit? You know, like I said, I'm almost 40 now.
01:19:41
Speaker
But if you had an opportunity, if you were healthy and you had the opportunity to climb in the ring. Hold on. With him. yeah do it put I do it. 100%. And I would work. I would support the hell out of that. I would work with him too. absolutely I wouldn't, you know, again, like I said, I don't hate the guy.
01:19:57
Speaker
Do I have a little bit of heat with him? Sure. and Is he going to get a couple of receipts? well that note A lot of times that's when you get the best story, though, when you have a little bit heat. Yeah. Now, if if you could do it one more time, one last time for a, let's say, a farewell match, hu would you do it?
01:20:15
Speaker
Yes. Or could you? I couldn't know. Couldn't know. I shouldn't have even done that last match in, in, uh, 2017. I shouldn't have, I was nowhere near the shape I needed to be in. Um, like I hadn't wrestled at that point, like two and a half years.
01:20:30
Speaker
I was training, but I wasn't in the ring, like having matches. Uh, I shouldn't have done it. And yeah, if I was going to, it would, it would take a lot for me to get back in, but you know, like I said, I'm, I'm content. Uh,
01:20:46
Speaker
but And that's the that's the other thing I think about. i also think about should people get back in the ring. Go look at um that Undertaker, Kane versus Triple H and Shawn Michaels match. Go look at Undertaker versus Goldberg.
01:20:59
Speaker
I don't think they should have been in the ring at that point. No. There were people that shouldn't have. You know, and that's way. lot of people don't do that. A lot of people, like, even like on the indies, you'll see people go in there after a long time and it's like,
01:21:10
Speaker
you should probably have trained for this. And I look back on it. going this Yeah. I look back on it going, I should have trained more. I should have gotten better shape for that. Go away. You know, and I had three months and I just didn't, you know, that, that was on me. You know, what again, also I was a new parent twice over for the second time when I had that last match, but yeah, it's
01:21:33
Speaker
it, there really is a ring shape. And if you're not in it, you shouldn't get in it. yeah if you could give, um, one advice to just somebody that's wanting to do start wrestling, what is it?
01:21:50
Speaker
Do it. It's not, it's not just do it. Um, I mean, I mean, the the standard, the standard answer I gave to that was shut up and listen, you know, too many times, even as a trainer, I'd have someone come in and tell me that they know everything.
01:22:05
Speaker
And it's like, listen, I don't know everything. And I've been doing this for a long time. Um, So that's one. um And that might actually be the biggest one is just listen, just be a sponge, absorb everything.
01:22:21
Speaker
And also ah don't rush it. Don't think you need to have a match in three months, two months, one month after training, take your time. I had a combined almost a year of training before I had my first match and I've known people that gone longer. um So that would probably be it. You know,
01:22:40
Speaker
You only have one first match. Be as prepared as you can be for it. You know that. I remember mine fondly and it was awful. How many trainers have you have you trained under?
01:22:54
Speaker
ah Let's see. Jesse Hernandez, Mike Rapata and Rick Trayson. would probably be Would you would you like tell somebody to ah you know not just go with one style, you know get a different types of trainers too?
01:23:08
Speaker
Absolutely. Even when we ran our new wave school, I would tell guys, go train elsewhere if you can. Go to LA. Go to a different school. Check it out. you know i remember Rick Ellis once went and trained with TJ Perkins because of that.
01:23:19
Speaker
um You learn so much different stuff. like Jesse Hernandez has a very much lucha influence on a lot of his stuff. Now, he's not teaching you to wrestle like a luchador, but you see the influence in how he trains. Mike Rapata came from the South.
01:23:35
Speaker
Way different training aspect. You know, the roles that I was learning at Jesse's weren't the same thing Mike was teaching me. You know, Mike taught the Southern style of wrestling. Jesse taught a little bit more of the Lucha-influenced pro wrestling. And he had other people coming in and out. You know, I trained with Frankie Kazarian there for a day. There's a gentleman named Bobby Bradley who used to be Rob Van Dam's tag partner back when Rob Van Dam was breaking the business. Yes, yes.
01:24:04
Speaker
I forget their team name, but they dress... Like the whole thumb-pointing, the singlets, that was him and Bobby Bradley before he went to ECW. Yeah. um You know, you got to get those different aspects. Not everybody has all the same answers. You got to learn from different people. And I even said this, I've learned, I learned things from my own students that I was teaching because their different perspective could give you a different perspective on something. And it's like like, I remember I was driving with Ryan Kidd once and he said something to me and I looked over at him. I'm like, how the hell are you thinking about that less than a year into your career?
01:24:38
Speaker
Like, how are is that already comprehending in your brain? And it made me think differently. you know You can learn something from everybody. And it could be doesn't have to be how you handle something in the ring. It's just how you see the wrestling business, how you see putting a match together, how you cut a promo. Anybody, anywhere can teach you something. But I absolutely believe you need to have more than one trainer. You have your main trainer, but go learn from other people, whether it's through matches, of seminars, or just going to a different school for a time being. You're just going to broaden your horizons and learn a lot more stuff.
01:25:17
Speaker
Well, Trev, listen, we've kept you for an hour and 25 minutes. I appreciate the 30 minutes that you offered me. You know, you know ah you you remember what's being what what's funny, though, is he messaged me. i won't be able to stay in there very long, but I'll i'll come in.
01:25:31
Speaker
You know what? With Andy taking the bailing out, ah I felt obligated to stick around. And I want, you know you guys, it's been a great conversation talking to you guys. So to be honest, I lost track of time.
01:25:41
Speaker
and so i love bullshit and wrestling. So do I. But I'd like to do this again. Absolutely. And from Andy, I guess we're going to be doing it tomorrow night. Cool.
01:25:52
Speaker
Okay. Cool. Hey, so when you talk to him, I'll let, see if he'll tell the story. Uh, ask him what the funniest thing that we've ever done in the ring together was.
01:26:04
Speaker
Um, I have a story in mind, uh, but I want to hear what he has to say. Okay. Uh, So i don't want I don't want to spill the beans and if he's going to say the same thing. um plus I think it's the funniest thing I've ever done in wrestling. going have to watch tomorrow then. I absolutely will. Are we coming on at 8 o'clock Eastern Standard Time? I told him. well I sent you mine and his messages back and forth. So he sort of confused me a little bit. he said and He said, I'll be. ah Hold on. No, I didn't send you that one, did I?
01:26:40
Speaker
the next You haven't sent me anything.
01:26:44
Speaker
I've been sending it to your phone. What the hell? Okay, I'll go and look later. on all i I just texted him and all I said was Eastern Standard Time. Fantastic. I said, can you do tomorrow? He says, yes, tomorrow night for sure. I'll be here at 5 time.
01:27:01
Speaker
Perfect. Perfect. So for everybody that was watching, this has been Mr. Trevor Allen. Trevor, and i'm gonna che also known also known as Ryan Stone or Ryan Stone if you say it fast enough.
01:27:18
Speaker
I'm going to change the title too. Perfect. I'll post it up on my Facebook and such. We really appreciate you. Yes. Oh, you want to go ahead and give your a shout out for that so that. Oh, sure. Uh, the only thing I'm really public on is Twitter. It's at Ryan stone, S D Ryan, R Y A N S T O N E S D San Diego. Um, I used to have a podcast kind of on hiatus, uh, where I would bullshit wrestling. So that's where i would talk about my wrestling shit. Uh, but yeah, if you want to talk wrestling, I love talking it. Uh,
01:27:48
Speaker
Yeah, I'd love to have you back on. Oh, I love talking about wrestling. You get me talking about that. I talk about it all day. It's just, you know, my wife hates it when I do that. I'm just going to get in the middle be the ref again. even told my wife prior to coming down here, I was just like, hey, you know, 15, 20 minutes, 30 minutes. She's actually upstairs getting the kids ready, getting them ready for bed. So I probably should go give her a hand.
01:28:15
Speaker
Excellent. All right. Well, again, thank you for your time, Trevor. It has been an absolute pleasure. You're awesome. Thank you, guys. Everybody follow Trevor on his Twitter.
01:28:27
Speaker
And from us here at Talking Shit, we're going to wish you adieu. all right. Thanks, guys. Have a great one. Can't wait to see you. Bye. yeah
01:28:41
Speaker
What do you think, Mark? You say I never talk a lot, so I figure I'd take this one. I gave you something to talk about though. I mean, these are, I mean, these are guys that, you know, when I would have loved to tell you that I was going to break out in the business. It, you know, it hurt. and It was painful. It's a dream after a while.
01:29:01
Speaker
But it was, it was invigorating. It was fun, you know, and I got to do that too. I got to live my dream. I remember the one time that you ah messaged me and ah asked me, um can I put a ring in your yard? And I'm like, a ring?
01:29:15
Speaker
And a you were like, yeah, I want to put a ring in your yard. And shit, yeah i don't care. But the thing is, When I moved back here, um I met someone who said, hey, you know, I got two of these, you know, wrestling rings and come to find out he was kin to Umaga and of course the Usos.
01:29:37
Speaker
ah I don't know if that gentleman is still around or not, but ah he was ready to start a wrestling school here in Citrus County, Florida. It was just not a good time for us seeing how we were buying our property and stuff like that. And that's why I think I reached out and I said, you know, ah if you want to, we can get a wrestling ring, put it up in your yard, and then i will, you know, just teach you some basic stuff. You know, like, you want you want to play in a wrestling ring? Get in there and run the ropes for half an hour.
01:30:08
Speaker
Why couldn't you do that? yeah I can't even run because of my legs. So I'm sort of screwed there. But I'd sure love to be a manager, you know. You know, you keep going to these NXT shows, man. They're going to see you there enough. You just got to tell them, hey, listen, I'm ah i'm available.
01:30:25
Speaker
yeah You also have to go down to NXT and, ah you know, prove to them. Big difference. I want to go to i want to find indie shows and start going to them. We got some good indie shows. You're going to actually want to check out the stuff over in Tampa in the Orlando area. Yeah.
01:30:43
Speaker
We don't have any indies that come up this way for us. No, because WWE has the thing on in this area that they don't want to, except for the midgets, the midget wrestling micro wrestling.
01:30:56
Speaker
No, no, no. they No, they they are not called micro wrestling. They are. They say it midget wrestling. Okay. But um they they love to do that shit. They love to come to Citrus Springs. And I i tagged you in the one thing one day telling you that, but I couldn't do it.
01:31:13
Speaker
I'll get you in the ring with one of those guys. Yeah, okay. You want me to die early? All right. Well, guys, Mark, ah before we sound off here, man, ah podcast of the month was... bebs Bev's Video Kingdom.
01:31:36
Speaker
Bev's Video Kingdom. You can check out Bev's as well as several other podcasts over on the Deluxe Edition Network. that kind Get on over there.
01:31:47
Speaker
Check those guys out. Find Talking Shit.
01:31:53
Speaker
We're there. and And a lot of other good ones. That's right. Guys from us here at Talking Shit, I'm Brian. I'm Mark. Good night.
01:32:03
Speaker
Good night.