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4: Respect a Dracula
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This week, Madame Web arrives, an OTA shakes the meta, and your hosts practice armchair card design! Oh, what a tangled web we weave... 🕸️🧶
For our esteemed listeners’ consideration:
- Miekocalypse Now!
- Who is the Vulture of Discard? 🐈⬛
- Ben learns literally the first thing about Agatha Harkness
- Fud makes a cameo appearance 🥟
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello and welcome to episode four of Snap on This, a whole month of of this podcast that we all love. ah I have two illustrious, wonderful, amazing, regular co-hosts. We'll start with Ben
Card Game Strategies and Decks
00:00:19
Speaker
Roller. How was your weekend Snap and keep it snappy? Well, my weekend Snap has been pretty good.
00:00:26
Speaker
i let's see I'm not sure if I'm going for leaderboard stuff this season. We'll see how I'm feeling, um but I don't know. I kind of think I probably will. um I've got decks that I like. I like a lot of decks that I like right now, actually. I've got a fun surfer deck I've been playing. I've got the Heimdall deck from last season that's still whooping ass.
00:00:51
Speaker
I've got a very cool discard deck with hand buff elements. I call it Miss Card. The current version has Fast Dose, a card that I am very excited to play more of. And I just wish he was you know a little better. um And I've got ah been playing, especially now that it's Madam Web Week, I've been playing a very fun kingpin deck that, yeah, it's it's a lot of fun.
Reaching Infinite Rank and Game Retreats
00:01:17
Speaker
So it's been a good week in Snap.
00:01:20
Speaker
I love to hear that. And our other co-host, Rhee, how was your week? It was, I got infinite, um which I try to do in like the first this week, if not like day one-ing it just so I can And I'll be done with it. um Fun. But I was at my board game retreat, so I was playing kind of in my downtime between board game turns.
00:01:48
Speaker
um and Whichever one was real excited about that. I'm sure they loved that. ah Undoubtedly. But okay, but when you're playing distractedly, which I know a lot of people do, it's like you want to play like a duck, you really like know well, and doesn't have like, ah way too many lines or something. So I played my comfy.
00:02:14
Speaker
ah deck, Mucocalypse, that's what I took to Infinite. and um I just think that's so that's like the fastest way, if you're just looking to get fast. is is More importantly than having the best meta deck, it's just a deck you know super well, so you know your snab conditions, retreats. You can just play it, and I did play it with half my attention. I also just wanted to just To talk up my deck a little bit, because I realize I've talked about it before, I've never actually given the deck. The deck is meek, Morbius, Gambit, Moon Knight, Strong Guy, Swordmaster, Dracula, Ghost Rider, Proxima, Black Cat, Modoc, and Apocalypse.
00:02:59
Speaker
And I took this to infinite and we're not quite discussing it yet, but this deck got buffs with the OTA. And I took it to infinite before that. So, um you know, so I'm just saying double buff on this deck.
00:03:14
Speaker
It's kind of good against a lot of things, surprisingly. Because you're playing fewer, more powerful cards, it can reasonable against clog decks, because you're just not putting that many cards down, generally speaking. A lot of people do not respect a Dracula, a Dracula A-pot. They should. They just should realize, I can't win this lane. When that Dracula hits, it's going to be a 20-sum, at least, or higher, depending on how many times I've done it.
Tournament Participation and Ranking Challenges
00:03:44
Speaker
so A lot of people just aren't used to playing against like strong and Gambit are good tech when they hit you know and you know when you got a retreat because they didn't hit. You see that there's probably going to be a Zola on that long, you know Black Panther.
00:04:07
Speaker
so um So yeah, so that's what I took. That's the deck. And, um, it's been, it's been decent so far for me into this meta. You, you Lauren, how was your week?
00:04:22
Speaker
i I plummeted from the 90s to 88 trying to play my own stuff and not having a lot of success. So Rhea and I were both invited to participate in Power On Gaming's Women of Power Tournament, really cool. It's like a 16 women identifying competitors a single elimination tournament, at least in the early rounds. um But each of us get assigned to ah female cards to play. And so I was really trying to make mine work, but one of mine is not a very good card. The other one's Nikko, so lucky me, I got Nikko. But the other one is Gamora, and trying really hard to to find to find something that would make her work. ah Trying to bring back old like Storm, Priority, Rush decks, and it just...
Exploring Madam Web and New Strategies
00:05:17
Speaker
there's I just don't think there's enough
00:05:22
Speaker
power in some of the cars that used to be early power stealers, like a Medusa or a Mr. Fantastic. This goes back to power creep that we've talked about recently where like, it's I don't think everything is strong that like a white widow is a six power swing until the lane is full, you know, so I found it really hard to have successful storm lands.
00:05:42
Speaker
um But I'm going to keep fiddling with it. aye I ended up switching to like kind of a comfort deck for me, at least the past few seasons. Affliction Spectrum, I find very fun. And even though the meta hasn't really... so like We were playing a bunch of Spectrum for a while and then stopped, but the deck is still good. So a yeah.
00:06:07
Speaker
ah playing that I think I'm back up to like 94 95 or something like that just a really slow and steady climb to infinite I'm not worried about it there's there's plenty of time left oh yeah there's a lot of month I would love to get to that point where it's like now I can have fun It makes me sad that you're struggling with Gamora. She's got so many good variants. She's such a cool character. um I feel like, but I was thinking though, when you were talking, the last time I played her in a deck, I mean, I guess there's the Guardians decks had a run for a while, but like the last time I played her in a deck because she was good was junk, was old junk, pre-annihilist junk. When you were, you
Upcoming Card Aranya and Predictions
00:06:49
Speaker
know,
00:06:50
Speaker
debris vipering nonsense, and then she was just a good finisher. And there's only room for one card left? Yeah, you know what lane they're playing in, and you would play her with like a one drop of some sort usually. So it's just like, bummer. Yes, that's kind of what I was hoping for, you know, like a storm into something on four.
00:07:12
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And then Gamora on five and then on six, it's either a Lyeth or Doom, depending on how much power you need to add to the Stormlane. The problem is a lot of things you can do with Gamora, you can just do better with someone else. Like if you're going to copy her, you'd rather copy a Sage, you know what I mean? If you're going to Wong her, you just, there's like 50 other, you know, cards just go first. Yeah, she just, oh good laura she doesn't have the power she used to have. Again, power creep. Yeah, I think too much of her. Go ahead.
00:07:41
Speaker
too much of her is like in the body and not enough is in the on reveal. So like there's no opportunity to like capitalize on repetition or anything like that. I don't know. Also, you know, she's a five cost. So how many times are you going to spam that on reveal anyway? But like, yeah, it's bad to copy. It's yeah, she's sort of ah a guardian without a country ah sort of between between roles and worlds and stuff.
00:08:08
Speaker
One thing I did try that was really cool, but too much investment was Kamora into Grandmaster to put her behind Goose. It was very easy to take that lane, but then I just didn't have enough power anywhere else, so it was over Kamora.
00:08:26
Speaker
um Yeah, i I don't know where it's gonna go, but kind of transitioning into our next topic. In Spectrum, just the last day or two, I swapped out a handful of cards for Madam Web and Shadow King. I feel like there's one more, maybe just those two. It's a Jean Grey deck, and so Madam Web has been an absolute blast in it. It's got Cosmo in it too.
00:08:52
Speaker
um Yeah, so let's talk about Madam Web. Did you get her and what do you think about her? ah And these are our first impressions because it's only been a day or two since she's been out.
Impact of Recent Balance Changes
00:09:05
Speaker
Yeah, I definitely picked up Madam Web because I do have a certain reputation that I must maintain as a move person. And also, I'm just very excited about the card. ah She's very cool.
00:09:20
Speaker
um I have played her in a couple of decks. There's one that I actually just built earlier today. It's a surfer deck. It's a little bit meme-y. I've only played a few games and I've gotten this combo off once. One of the things that this deck does is you play Madam Web, you play Brood on the Madam Web lane.
00:09:43
Speaker
or you play Iron Fist into Brood. There are a couple of ways to make this combo work. But the plan is to move the original Brood over to Symbiote Spider-Man, who then, but below you know, proliferates into Broodlings that are absolutely massive. And ah I'm not sure it's super practical. I'd have to play some more games, but like, oh, wow, when it works, it it works.
00:10:09
Speaker
And, you know, you get to play Vulture and I've even got Dagger in there and, you know, just good for cards and, you know, ah do surfer things, a little bit of move things. The thing is, I'm so used to playing surfer decks with move elements. and This is just a very different take than I usually have on that idea. But there are so many ways to do it. ah I don't know if you guys heard, but I just I love this game and all the exciting possibilities. I think it's a lot of fun and it's not as solved as I think many of our contemporaries believe it to be.
00:10:46
Speaker
And then I move so fast, I don't know how often it can even be solved. like Exactly. It felt like I lose sleep over it, but I'm so fascinated by the concept of like things that go undiscovered. I sort of wish they would slow down with all the balance changes, because it's just we have no time to really dig in. But I guess they're exciting. So, you know, it's balanced. I'm i'm having fun either way.
00:11:12
Speaker
so I think it's it's funny that you bring up that brood thing, because it was something I was going to suggest with Aranya. I mean, you can totally do it. No, this is like practice for next week. I'm just like getting used to the concepts. Aranya interbrood into symbiote Spider-Man feels disgusting. Yeah, that's that's going to be like the the very streamlined, efficient version of what I'm trying to do. But even in this sort of...
00:11:37
Speaker
Rube Goldberg configuration that I'm currently playing, it doesn't seem like nothing. So that's cool. But yeah, I i tried her a couple other places, but but that's where I've been having the most fun with Madam Web.
00:11:52
Speaker
I did not get her yet. I want to, but I refuse to spend keys. I need those keys. I'm going to use them next week, probably. And so I'm waiting for tokens. they The data mine show a kitty bri a Kitty Pride bundle. um That should be this week, I think, in a couple days um for gold that will have 3K tokens in it and that will put me close but it may still actually be a week or so i can get her and i'm not even mad you know why because it's like it's the new card so either it's gonna be all mirrors playing her or i'll count everyone's gonna i mean it's gonna be you're gonna run into someone playing the same deck or you're gonna run into someone playing kingpin and it's just like that is not fun for me
00:12:35
Speaker
and So I don't mind waiting with it. It's a really funny effect about the the release schedule in this game is that yeah the first week that a card is there is like the worst week to be playing it. right I very often just save it for later. I'm not interested in participating in the the cultural moment that we're having where everybody's playing her.
00:12:59
Speaker
Yeah, and the problem too is that also that skews the meta because everyone just wants to check it out. So it's hard to say often like exactly how good a card is because you're not playing
Debating War Machine's Meta Impact
00:13:09
Speaker
it in a regular setting. Yeah, conclusions cannot responsibly be drawn. yeah yeah yeah You have like one day with the new card and then two days with the hot location. And then you have weekend missions, like all these things that make it really hard to have a clean meta.
00:13:28
Speaker
I don't know, maybe that's okay. The game's still fun, as we said. Absolutely. um I got her, she cost me four keys, which sucked. But fortunately, ah Marvel Boy and Wiccan were both one-key cards for me, and I have also been saving for a while because I want basically every card this season and every card some videos this season. I hope the November cards suck. Yep, I'm right there with you.
00:13:55
Speaker
That's why I can't spend keys on it. Back at it. I think we've already hinted at it, but Rania, next week, ah I had her as my number one, I think both for fun and for just power rankings. I think if there's any card this season that's going to get nerfed, it's her. um
Agatha's New Ability and Strategy Effects
00:14:14
Speaker
I think she seems extremely fun. How about you two?
00:14:18
Speaker
Well, I'm pretty excited. As I've already hinted, my nerf money is on Scarlet Spider, but Aranya is just a power crept card. There's no no question about it. I'm very excited. I love those little one cost activators. They're real juicy. I i think that Iron Fist could use a third point of
Episode Wrap-Up and Future Challenges
00:14:40
Speaker
power. That's what I think. Seems fair.
00:14:44
Speaker
um But I'll still keep him in the list with Aranya and Ghost Spider. She's going to be very powerful and it's going to work in the decks that I like. so i think i yeah i'm I'm a little bit more immediately excited to play Aranya.
00:15:06
Speaker
Whereas Madam Web is like a card that I just want to like think about for a while and I will i will see an opportunity for her in the near future. I'm i'm certain where like she really works, but like Aranya, that's just batteries included like right out of the box. You're you're playing with that. That's fun.
00:15:25
Speaker
I am less high on her because I just prefer an on-reveal. I just can do more. It's the same thing that I've been, Killmonger, all of that. I'll still give her a chance to still try a few things with her, but I'm honestly getting her because it's hitting my second roll and I will open for cards weeks that I will get two cards, which is it's a week that I like all the variants.
00:15:49
Speaker
And I'm going to get her eventually because I want to be collection complete. And that's why I'm not opening this week for Madam Web. So I'll get her next week. um And i I don't mind that Miss Marvel or the Sage variants, although I will stop if I get her with the first key. Yeah, I love the Miss Marvel variant. And that's one of those ones where it's like, well, I keep spending if I get if I get around your first. I won't, even though this is my most wanted Miss Marvel variant.
00:16:18
Speaker
but I don't play her that much anymore, so. Yeah, speaking of, since these are the friends, right? Yeah, how about the friends? Spotlight friends. And Miss Marvel is a good card, um but you don't see her as much because she's a card you have to like build around a bit. She's not a card you throw into a deck like a Jeff, so. Also.
00:16:43
Speaker
There's this clog thing going on. Yeah. This is just not Ms. Marvel's moment, I think. ah She's a great card in a vacuum, but alas, she exists within this context. And yeah, it's not her time.
00:17:00
Speaker
Yeah, very true, unless you know. That just makes me want to be like, okay, but if I put the rate, destroy. Annihilate. This is a kill moment there. Reboast challenge. No, you're right, it's silly. She's a good card, but it's not her meta moment, and she's a bit more of a build around.
00:17:19
Speaker
Sage, on the other hand, is an amazing card. Sage, especially if you like Ravonna or Negative, but even if you don't, I think she's also good in bounce. She is a powerhouse. It's ridiculous how so how strong she gets for a three cost. Any deck where you have a Wong, honestly, she you you need another card.
00:17:41
Speaker
She's like the opposite of Gamora, who has too much invested in like her natural body. like her Her floor is so high, but that's kind of a waste because you're paying for it. But like Sage is all on reveal. Yep.
00:17:55
Speaker
So yeah, more fun to duplicate, more fun to repeat, borrow, copy, et cetera. Right? You could abs you can a sage. I love me some absmen. Or Taskmaster, although that's a lot harder to do since the Taskmaster change. Still really good. um That's probably more appropriate for negative.
00:18:17
Speaker
I wanted to say Ana Rania, like I really don't think she has to be in a move deck, but then you specifically mentioned like you'll so you'll still run Iron Fist with her. I think that combo alone is super cool. You could use Iron Fist and Ana Rania both for the same card because she's an activate. And so you can have a card go either right left or left right and it doesn't like you don't have to worry about the I don't know. I just think that's interesting. That reminds me of something I wish I had mentioned earlier about Madam Web. I'm seeing a lot of people who I don't think play move very often ah being a little too greedy and ah inviting all like Shang-Chis and Shadow Kings that they did not really have to. um I've been playing Shang-Chi and yeah.
00:19:05
Speaker
ah if you're If you're trying to do move things, don't go big too soon, because you will get countered. So I would i would be careful about moving your Vulture twice, like on turn 3 with those two cards or something, because that's just ah that's an invitation is what that is.
00:19:24
Speaker
But the thing about Aranya is that you can space it out because of the flexibility that Activate offers. But yeah, I'm sorry. I meant i meant to warn everybody during the Madam Web Talk, stop moving your cards too many times too fast. ah You can save it for later. I apologize for derailing.
00:19:44
Speaker
No, it's just, I'm just thinking of like new movie players, like the little kittens with the like, live fast, die young, you know, like human torch out there, just like nobody. YOLO! Okay, this week, we have an OTA coming, and it's already been announced ahead of time, presumably because it was leaked again. i But we'll go through it and talk about our thoughts.
00:20:14
Speaker
Uh, do you want to, do you want to, you want to tackle this one? Um, sure. Let's see. Our first one is, uh, I'm sorry, I've lost the show notes. Uh, Sandman.
00:20:30
Speaker
loose And he's going from 5-6 to 5-7. And not only that, next turn cards cost one more instead of the one card per turn thing that he was going to do with his on-reveal, or that he has been doing with his on-reveal rather. So it's ah like Dream Dimension or whatever. um Probably goes well with Mobius.
00:20:55
Speaker
It seems like a more fair and interactive card than he was before. like I don't like these absolute things. like yeah I don't know. I like this version better. I think it's going to be more fun to play against. For me, and as a person who never played Sandman anyway, I am ah self-interestedly happy about this change.
00:21:20
Speaker
and Yeah, he's one of my least favorite cards to play against because I play a lot of things that played multiple cards on the last turn.
00:21:30
Speaker
Yeah, I'm wondering if like you'll see, i we're all seeing this from the side of like, yeah, it's not fun to play against it. It's like a retreat, right? A lot of times. um And I know because I was playing some stupid late night auto deck, it's Sandman in it. So many bounce retreats, delicious. and that's That's what it costs you to make me wait on my turns. Sandman.
00:21:57
Speaker
okay Saves you a whole turn of roping. Um, but, but like on the plot, like are people five costs? I mean, we just talked about Gamora and stuff and now there's things like Gilgamesh. There's like some big five drops out here. Does this, does this kill the card? Honestly, I wonder for people that want to play. It's right. It's so much worse. Although it is interesting now that like Ben said, if you have Mobius up, it's one sided so I could see it still being played that way.
00:22:35
Speaker
It's true. And maximum six. You can't walk people out of their six cost cards. Now it's more, maybe it was slightly more of a Spectrum card than it's been before. You didn't see a lot of Sandman Spectrum. Maybe it'll... That's not ongoing.
00:22:52
Speaker
It used to be. Oh my gosh, I am sick of it. Oh my gosh, okay. It's been a long week for me. His old identity. Yeah, I think it really hurts the card, but also I think that's the kind of thing they like to do. They like meta turn. They like taking a card and dramatically changing its play rate. If he's hurt too bad, they'll bring him back at some point.
00:23:17
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think they want him to not be a factor. Like, he he does have a job to do, and I guess it is important for people who want to counter people like me who like to play multiple cards. Yeah. Okay. There should be something for them, I suppose. Counter, counter, though. How much you see in leech anymore?
00:23:37
Speaker
Uh, still sometimes. Really? Oh, when I do, I laugh. I'm like, haha, I didn't have any six cuts in my handful. I like to play five and tiny cards. yeah yeah
00:23:51
Speaker
We'll see. I'm just, I like it cause you're right. I don't want it. I don't want it to be an instant retreat for people. Yeah. I'm i'm just like, anything that would make this card weaker is going to go over well with this, this kid.
00:24:04
Speaker
um Mockingbird, though, is our next card, and it is just going down to a 6-9 from a 6-10. Which she needed, I think everyone agreed she needed a nerf.
00:24:20
Speaker
yeah Easily one of the best cards in the game. but yeah i Yeah, I was advising someone I know about resource allocation. and ah yeah Mockingbird is just one of the least skippable cards around. That's what I think.
00:24:39
Speaker
is a good time to mention that 610-69 is a nerf, even though she's no longer a Shang target. I found the rationale here very interesting. They explained that no card has ever gotten like better by getting out of Shang-Chi range. Yeah, they know it statistically, but also it's just that one point of power is there every single game. yeah Whereas the Shang-Chi ability is only relevant when your opponent has Shang-Chi. Shang-Chi.
00:25:08
Speaker
um yeah okay But 10th point of power is always worth it. And that's why she could easily drop it and she'll be played just as much. so for scar suji say yeah're fine Speaking of the one extra point of power, Arrow and Black Cat both going from 9 power to 10 power. um More stuff for Scar, more shaying targets I guess, but the one extra power is worth it.
00:25:36
Speaker
I was curious about this. Tell me, Lauren, what you think. How big how big of a stat stick does Arrow get before you play or just for the stats? See, I've been wondering about this myself. I've been thinking about the the the the obvious comparison. For me, the way I'm looking at it is cannonball. And is Arrow's ability two points of power worse than cannonballs? And I think definitely, yeah.
00:26:07
Speaker
You're right, Cannonball is way better than Arrow. Yeah. I kind of think, I don't know. I think maybe Arrow's ability just isn't quite good enough. I don't know like if she really works as a five cost, and I don't think that giving her this extra power is going to make her the choice. you know like I think I would rather play Cannonball or something else.
00:26:32
Speaker
I think you hit it, though, because this is where I'm at. Gilgamesh is a five cost. You know what I mean? These are the contenders now for this energy slot. Think about this. What if Arrow only cost three or something, and she can fit into your little kingpin deck and stuff? like I was only going to ask for four, but ah yeah yeah, three. I wanted her to be sir for me. Everything should be a three-five in and in my opinion.
00:27:03
Speaker
it's not strict fa When Beast went to 3-5, I didn't shed any tears. I was like, oh, that's an exciting guard now. let me some sting I think that's it, though. I think she's got to go 4. I'm sorry, you're saying, Lauren? Arrow's just, ever since she got her ability changed, she hasn't really been played a lot. um I think slightly slept um slightly underrated, but still, it's like, yeah, there's so many better five costs you can play, and it's hard to make her ability the dislike matter a lot?
00:27:36
Speaker
um I don't know. i Honestly, the one time I hit top 1000 rank, it was with new arrow and it was pulling things off of the storm lane. That was fun. Yeah. ah so sweet If you compare her with more cards, you know, in that end, she'd be so much more playable. Like, okay. we're that old get at it I think old arrow would work. I think this stat change is not what she needs. And that's about all I have to say about it. It's a step in the right direction. And my Discord was arguing that. They are like, she could have her old ability back now because like nowadays more people are filling their boards. you know Nowadays, like her old ability wouldn't be as powerful as back then. Yeah, it's a different environment for sure. Yeah, the game is so different now.
00:28:32
Speaker
um so count theres ah Okay, sorry. Go ahead. It looks like you're excited about Black Cat? Yeah, this is one of the meat goggle of buffs. Like I said, it was already a good deck for me. I'm happy for this. It was, okay. I did like the laughing and conquest. They're like, I have the Shang-Chi. What are you gonna Shang my Dracula? What are you gonna Shang my Black Cat? That And then okay, oh was very fun for me and that goes away. But you know, what are you gonna do? So.
00:29:06
Speaker
Now she's just a decoy. Yeah, i'm I'm sort of rooting for Black Cat. I don't think this is going to make me play her. This is a little bit of a tangent, but I used to play this miniatures game, Hero Clicks.
00:29:23
Speaker
And the Black Cat Hero Clicks figure was absolutely busted. ah if i I still remember how many points she cost. The experienced Black Cat, that was the good one, had the Spider-Man team ability, could mimic other team abilities, very handy. 32 points, she had probability control, giving you sweet re-rolls on things. ah just Just a busted figure. And I'm glad she's not busted in Marvel Snap, but I do wish she was a little more in that direction.
00:29:52
Speaker
Just a little better. I'm retconning your memories to include you whispering, like, gotta run, hun, every time you play your game. You don't even know that's her voice line, do you? Because you don't play her. Disgusting. I do know it's her voice line, because she exists in the game. Things get generated. Other people play her sometimes. and of I actually play her in one version of my Gwenpool Mysterio deck where you're just trying to dump your hand because she's another way to shrink your hand and make sure Gwen is hitting Mysterio. That reminds me, I meant to mention this earlier, the reason that discard deck with the hand buff elements I i mentioned during my weekend snap, the reason I call that miscard is with a Y because Mysterio's in there, you know he is. Yup, yup, yup.
00:30:40
Speaker
getting buffed with America, getting buffed with Gwenpool. He's just, ah yeah, he's a cool card. You gotta send me this hand buff deck. Such a cool card. I think last week I i published a ah deck on the Twitter to promote the pod, and I think my missed card deck will be the the deck that I share on Twitter this week if you want to if you want to know what goofiness I've been cooking.
00:31:05
Speaker
But also Lauren, because she's talked about this handbook deck. because she knows i And it's like now black cats. It's got Makari. Yeah, I know you would like it. I thought about it and I was going to ask you for it. But then I just took the cards and then built my own book as we did. I want to play yours because it's it's fun too. When you force yourself to play other people's deck, it gives you new ideas you didn't have before. after yeah Yeah, totally. It's good for iteration, inspiration. um But also I wanted to let, since Ben is dissing on Black Cat, Black Cat is to discard what Vulture is to move. So I understand why you don't appreciate her, but like she's probably just as, you know, she's probably just as good as one of your move cards that I never played. That is a bold claim, Ray.
00:31:53
Speaker
wow ah i can't I can't refute it because I just don't think there's a way to reason. What do you mean by that? Sorry, yeah I forget that my brain works in different ways. Is that like, she's good in very specific decks? Like Vulture is.
00:32:14
Speaker
Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't think Black Cat is like bad. I just don't think her... I don't think she has a lot of different applications and I see her used for the one job and she's okay at it. Yeah? And what do you do with Vulture besides move him? Yeah, but he's like really good at that job.
00:32:36
Speaker
I think we're just gonna stay in our discard move sides of this debate. To be fair, though, I do fear with my Mika, one thing I fear is a move deck that hits all its stuff, because that can actually outpower drag sometimes. Fair enough. Okay, next on the OTA. Do you have it in front of you, not Ben?
00:33:00
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Oh yeah, absolutely. After Arrow and Black Cat, we've got Ghost Rider with, in my opinion, the least interesting point of power of any of these things that just gained a point of power. Ghost Rider is a 4-4 now, up from 4-3.
00:33:19
Speaker
ah percentage-wise that's a bigger gain. Yeah, that's a huge percentage if you look at his natural personal body, but considering that the whole point is to bring back some huge thing, this is like a very tiny drop in the bucket because like his whole job is to like grab a 20 power Infanot and join the lane. And a lot of times you'll play him on a dust domain or something, you know, where you're losing him. That's true. Yeah, for a little bit of reach. Black Cat and Ghost Rider combo is now two more power. I suppose so. I guess in combination... And I do that I'll take it. I mean, it it never hurts, as we've established. One point of power is always a good thing to have.
00:34:10
Speaker
I mean, he's fine. I don't know. I mean, we already talked about it. It's the same thing as Black Cat. He's great, you know, in specifics. Yeah, he's so weirdly overshadowed by Hela. And I think the point of Ghost Rider is to have a little discard package inside of another deck, I think.
00:34:30
Speaker
I really likes it and I guess a dedicated discard thing. Like I said, you forget the versatility. It's like unless you're like someone, you know, like these are the players who are like just destroy players or the players who played a lot of discard and you learn all the little utility tricks of all the little cards. Like I said, the way Ghost Rider a lot can get you into dust domain or you know, those other things. So Luke's bar.
00:34:53
Speaker
And yes, exactly, in Luke's part, and once again, because it is a lesser played card, your opponents don't know all those little tricks you do, so they're not banking on it if you're saving it as a surprise, you know what I mean? They're not thinking about it. They probably don't even know you have Ghost Director. So, yeah. Ghost Raider Black Cat is amazing.
00:35:11
Speaker
Yeah, I'm just saying, like, this point of power seems even less consequential than the other one point of power that the other cards have gained. At least, that's how it feels to me. But as Lawrence said, as a package deal, because, you know, they are played together a lot, there's two more points of power in the combo. Yeah, a 14-point lane is better than a 12-point lane. It's true. Woo! Okay. A 414 is not bad.
00:35:38
Speaker
It's all right. a I don't think that usually wins, but, you know, it's a start. For energy. But once again, it's the synergy. In my deck, it goes where I'm trying to proc a strong guy, so I want cards to drop out of my, you know what I mean? Oh, for sure. So it's the same argument, like I said. the I just mean that like the decks that weren't going to play 4-3 Ghost Rider aren't going to play 4-4 Ghost Rider.
00:36:08
Speaker
Yeah. I agree, the same way. The decks that are are going to win slightly more often. Yes, they are going to be grateful for the extra point. It's true. Okay. I think the more consequential point of power on a forecast is for Moon Girl, because that is like, that's a straight up 25% increase in in the beef.
00:36:32
Speaker
And ah that's that's where she's going. I don't know if I'd established that. She used to be a 4-4 that unrevealed duplicates your hand. She's now a 4-5 unrevealed that duplicates your hand. So she feels a little bit less like a detour in terms of taking time off on putting power down. um Yeah, I think this is a good change and makes me a little bit more excited to play the card.
00:36:57
Speaker
It's a card I want to love so much more. I think it's really interesting. like in the I think, didn't they in the dev notes mentioned three cost Moon Girl and it was just way too good. Yeah, of course it would be. I mean like three, five Loki that drew a card is nuts and copying your hand is drawing cards. <unk> like Playing her earlier lets you duplicate more cards and also gives you more time to do something with them.
00:37:25
Speaker
yeah i think I'm not surprised that Three Cost Moon Girl proved to be problematic. That that seems like maybe... i'm I'm not even sure I would have tested that, but I'm glad they did and made the right choice.
00:37:42
Speaker
Okay, I think um Moon Girl, like I was thinking what made her weak because I used to love Moon Girl, right? And she just kind of slowly fell out and it's like, well, I think it's just the fact that we got more cards in the game, right? Like used to be like, oh, I could duplicate Titania, right? Is what I was doing with her. But now you have Martyr, you have Hydra Bot, you don't need to like,
00:38:08
Speaker
You know, but you would just play like you're playing a zoo deck in a different way. You've also got more cards that give you more cards if you're trying to fill your hand for some reason, you know, than we used to have. And all of that has just made her less necessary, right? So.
00:38:23
Speaker
Maybe the power up. What I want to do with her right now is ah make two shadow kings. We ruin all these move players days. Yeah, I like that. Two shadow kings and a grand master? Yeah, that's that could be cruel. Because think about it, you've already lost prio if you're saving. OK, and part of this I won't lie is I was thinking about the power on um tournament that were part of my two cards. Yeah, what are they?
00:38:49
Speaker
um And um when i I saw the moon girl change. I was like um and was like, I think this is it. I think I'm gonna go back to like,
00:39:03
Speaker
doubling up Tiny Cat, because you're gonna lose Prio if you're holding back to drop a bunch of stuff on turn six. Sandman just got rocked, so you don't gotta worry about that anymore, right? So what if I just stare and I just drop on the last turn, I just drop two Shadow Kings. Six? Two costs? Two, I don't know. Maybe some martyrs for fun, whatever else I got. Well, not martyr, we'd probably go with two drops, like some silks, right? Double silk, and if you're trying to fill the board, it doesn't matter if she's moving, because you're dazzling, you're filling stuff.
00:39:33
Speaker
I got to work on it. yeah tunes sam but like That's what I want to do. I'm particularly shadow king, to be honest. The thing about Silk and her movement stuff, it can actually make it harder to fill the board sometimes. Because she'll settle somewhere and then... Oh, I'm sorry, what was that? As a T6 drop, though.
00:39:55
Speaker
If you're doubling her up with modal with two of them and you're... If they have priority, she can very safely be stuck somewhere on turn six and everything. But like if she came down earlier or if you don't have priority... But I've got Dazzler in the deck. My goal is T6, I'm filling the board. So like she's probably not even moving. I just want her stats. She's just not a lizard. You include a Mysterio. Take up three spots on the board for one energy.
00:40:22
Speaker
See, that's what I'm saying. That's like the old Sarah six straps, like salmon. Yeah, like I see like she won't have like opportunities to move if you're, if you're popping down in a stereo and doing the Sarah board vomit thing, you know? Yeah, at the end. I never like did that back in the day, I feel like. So now I'll have fun. Next up, that's going to be good. Shadow kinging them, you'll kill so many hopes and dreams.
00:40:52
Speaker
yeah I hope so. I want you both to win. I don't know. x We'll see. I thought it was for fun until I heard there was a prize pool.
00:41:04
Speaker
oh yeah yeah Up next, ah what I think is probably the biggest and most interesting buff in this set, War Machine ah going from unrevealed to ongoing.
00:41:19
Speaker
i mean The text has changed, but it means the same thing. Nothing can stop you from playing cards anywhere. It's an extremely cool card. Being able to play him on four makes a huge difference.
00:41:34
Speaker
So, I can't, I swear I will get through a podcast sometime without mentioning wombat combat. and But he is, worry and I- Don't worry about it, we we love wombat combat. This is your wombat combat moment. He's wearing that Storm Legion with war machine, will now like, take over. Be a thing, yeah.
00:41:56
Speaker
and like ruin the meta because every other game, i mean they'd have to hit it, but it's like it's not fun when you see it hit occasionally. He's still a four though, right? So it's like you're going to have to get him out early with the Zabu or and or something if you're going to do the whole story. In terms of War Machine is a huge difference. Yeah, that is a huge difference.
00:42:18
Speaker
And you don't have to squeeze him in on five if you want to do infinite stuff. Like you can play him on curve and then do infinite stuff. i I'm just not excited about this change personally. But you meant for the storm thing specifically? If you're storm legioning, one machine has to come out first, obviously.
00:42:37
Speaker
No. Can't you do Storm, War Machine, Legion? Oh, I see what you're saying. You need to play Legion after Storm. You have to play Legion. Do you guys have not Storm Legioned enough? No, I see what you're You do have to play War Machine on three so that you can play Storm on four so that you can play Legion on five while you can still play on the flooding location. But if you have War Machine up, you can play on the flooded location.
00:43:07
Speaker
So you can do Storm War Machine Legion, that's nasty. And now you'll play on turn 6. Oh you made it even better. Well, that's my deck for the i'm not women in power tournament. I play Stormly. I've been having fun. I call it Song of Storms after Zelda. um But I have a Storm, because with Gwenpool and Marvel Boy, it's so fun. Because you get your one drops out, right? And you get Marvel Boy with like Nebula and Sunspot. Because the problem with Storm Legion is you have to get enough power out early, or they can still just outpack. You know what I mean? And that definitely happens. So you have to have all these little scalers out that are cheap.
00:43:44
Speaker
before you storm Legion, and like, War Machine negates the need for that, which means more people will do it. And it ruins the other person's day, and fun, which means everyone will do it. so like Right. ah We should see. Yeah, I think this is this is going to need to get changed fast. Shoot.
00:44:04
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oh
00:44:12
Speaker
so much of the time, but they don't realize that if players find it fun and it hits enough of the time, then people will just play it anyway, regardless of the win rate. And that will wreck the meta, you know? Look at Arsham and stuff, with and Loki was like, oh, the win rates aren't that good. And it's like, yeah, but it's not fun when 80% of the people are playing it in a way, you know?
00:44:33
Speaker
so it' like in much the same way that i'm just I'm excited to see Sandman get a little worse or a little less you know harsh. I am not excited to see War Machine become more flexible because I just don't want to deal with it personally.
00:44:52
Speaker
I don't know. I'm not rooting for this change. I am ah concerned. Yeah, i'm I'm growing in my concern. I thought he seemed so fun to cook with, but yeah, the things you can do with him are very unfun. They bring back Lockdown, which they got rid of for reason. Yep. I want Lockdown to be back, so I would be okay with that personally. oh glad you Lockdown is good. I do agree that Lockdown could use a little help.
00:45:25
Speaker
I don't know what that looks like, maybe that looks like a better Professor X or something, maybe a better Storm, but I don't think that letting War Machine do all these hijinks is the answer. One of the number one things is players want to... They just got rid of Sandman because players want to play their cards, you know what I mean? like They'll lose, but they want to be able to play their cards. And when lockdown, lockdown means you can't play your cards. so
00:45:53
Speaker
I mean, the triple flooded thing, people retreat. Like, it's not fun, but people retreat. So it's not the same hubry as doing other things. You could also retreat to Goactus. Remember that. Yeah, and when it's out of control, it's not fun, right? So it's like, is that going to be the version of War Machine that takes off? Or is it going to be, hey, look, I can dump Ebony Ma and Infinite on turn six because of something right ah i To make an efficient turn five play first and that's like the thing that they couldn't do before they had to like slow down to play war machine into one cost or whatever and Now they don't have to for seven on turn four is so much better than a four that's so interesting absolutely Gives you a way to play Ebony Ma site of Sauron. I didn't think that about that though. Yeah you Well, you now you can play Ebony Ma with Madame web if you want. Yeah
00:46:49
Speaker
Okay. One more. Weird one. Three. Oh, Agatha, I'm meaning it, is... ah So she's staying as a 614, but instead of her old text, which is Agatha starts in your hand and plays your cards for you. It will now be Agatha starts in your hand. She plays your cards for you on even turns. So you get to play half the time.
00:47:18
Speaker
But the half the time that you get to play is not turn six. So I think that's... ah She's still ah not as serious. I don't know. I'm still not too scared of Agatha Harkness because making decisions on turn six is um one of the most important things you get to do.
00:47:41
Speaker
Well, I think most serious Agatha decks, most, are trying to dump Agatha. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm i'm saying like this is not a card that you want to have. in like you're not going to so You're not going to ride it out with Agatha ah in this situation or anything. This doesn't free you. You still want Lady Sif or Wave on 3 so you can get rid of Agatha. Mm-hmm.
00:48:05
Speaker
um And so in that sense, I don't know how much of a difference it makes. You get turn one and three to control your hand. Which makes it, I feel like this makes her a way better meta card, right? Because now you used to have to deck build with the absolute assumption you did not get to play one, two, and then maybe, and then your three had to be something that would get rid of her, right? You had to, now you could put other three cards because you get, you will have an option of what you get to play. So I think this makes her way better for the meta. Like I said, it'll still be a very specific type of deck.
00:48:41
Speaker
where you're probably looking to discard her or otherwise mitigate, you know, like maybe you forced her to play in a certain spot because you're filling the board, but it opens those options simply because you can play more cards and now put more cards early on on into your deck. However, I do think this kind of ruins the card because here's the last time I played Agatha. I remember just a couple of days ago, it was really late at night and I was like, I want to do, I hate missing my missions. I hate missing out on the credits, but I was sober and like, I don't even want to play Snap. Like I just don't. And I play a lot of late night Snap. This is how exhausted it was. I just don't want to do it. So I just grabbed an Agatha deck. Just was like, until the missions are done. Thanks, Agatha. And it's like, think a lot, of that's the joy for a lot of people of Agatha, you know? Yeah, I guess.
00:49:30
Speaker
So this kills, but it kills botting with Agatha, which is good, but I agree with you that a lot of people love Agatha in her current state, and I don't know if it's a lot. well there is a There's a small portion that really likes Agatha, and I think this ruins her for them. Yeah, they they do matter, and I hope this hasn't, yeah. I hope they find something to like about this version of her, because it's not what she was before.
00:49:58
Speaker
I think it opens up so many deck building options with her. But will people be interested in exploring those? I don't know. For me, I don't know if I will be as much, you know? I don't think this pushes her over the edge into a widely good card that you would... I mean, like, i'm she's inviting you to play an interesting game. I'm just going to decline the invitation and do other good things.
00:50:25
Speaker
I think she's viable though, and it's worth noting that she starts in your hand. right That's the edge she has on Infantot if you're going to do a Lady Sif Ghost Rider thing. yeah shes it She thins your deck by one card, and that has some benefit to it. Is it the sixth power that Infantot could give you instead?
00:50:50
Speaker
That's what I'm saying. She's an interesting challenge that you can tackle now because you know you will get to play cards in certain turns, you know? I have a question. I do not play a ton of Agatha, as you may have guessed. When it says that she starts in your hand, does she start in your hand like Quicksilver starts in your hand? She's an extra extra card. You can check if someone's playing Agatha by seeing if they start with four cards in their hand.
00:51:15
Speaker
Oh, well, I learned something new today. Holy crap, you did not know that? No, I didn't learn the intricacies of Agatha Harkness. now Run around with an Agatha avatar and sing playing Agatha. I always check. and That's it. They they love Agatha.
00:51:39
Speaker
So that's the end of the OTA. It should be out by the time you're listening to this. We're going to move on to something sort of teased or challenged in last week's episode. We started talking about Mantis and Ben decided we should all prepare our own Mantis rework ideas, our own pitches. So we're going on to that. Who's really excited about their Mantis? Ben has to go first because he assigned them a link. Fair enough. He threw the gauntlet.
00:52:12
Speaker
That's what I get. All right. So I thought about Mantis. I thought about the versions of Mantis we've had in the past. I think they've all kind of stunk. I think that I don't think anybody would really argue with me about that. I'm like, maybe we don't need another small guardian because I'm looking at the whole crew, specifically the crew from the movies, because I'm not versed in the comic book lore.
00:52:36
Speaker
And i'm i'm looking I'm looking for holes in the lineup, right? And we've got a couple good threes. Well, not good threes. We have one good three and one bad three. A lot of these things, there's ah there's a stinker in one of the cost slots. But but um the only one at four is Drax. And even though we all know that Drax has that edge that Drax has,
00:53:00
Speaker
um I thought maybe we could we could add a little more power to that spot on the curve for the old GOTG. I took Mantis all the way up to 4 cost. My first thought was 3-5 because I just want all kinds of cards to be 3-5. I think that's a very good stat line.
00:53:22
Speaker
but it just seemed too good and they're they're already Cosmo and Groot at that point. So 4-6 is what I decided on. And for that very fair stat line, I decided maybe we want sort of a flashy ability.
00:53:38
Speaker
I decided to keep it in the the basic Guardians thing. I mean, like I know that there are exceptions to the rule, like Cosmo doesn't have the on reveal if your opponent played a card here thing, and nor does Yondu, nor does Adam Warlock, if you count Adam Warlock, but I thought I would keep to the theme that Mantis already had. um So what I did... was 4-6 on reveal. If your opponent played a card here this turn, discard the card that costs most from their hand. So it's just like a sif on them. A sif on
00:54:15
Speaker
both their houses or whatever. I don't know. um i I thought about just wiping the text, like Leech style, but that's just Leech. Like Leech already hits a high cost thing and wipes it. So I thought, how do we how do we nullify a big thing? Because ah the text to which I referred was not any comic book. I rewatched Guardians of the Galaxy 2. And Mantis uses her powers to, you know,
00:54:45
Speaker
pacify ego. And I thought this would fit with that thematically. Also, I thought it would be nice if there were cards that she actually wanted to get along with, you know, like she could enable stature here or um she could, looking down the road a bit, she could ah set up Fenris Wolf activation.
00:55:09
Speaker
And I think, I don't know, I i just think it's ah it's a nice tidy little design. I think it's not too powerful because you do have to line up the Guardians thing, you know, guess correctly and all that. Although by turn 4, it's not so hard. Not as hard as it would be on turn 1 or 2, like it has been for her in the past. And yeah, 4-6 on reveal. If your opponent one played a card here this turn, discard the card they cost most from their hand.
00:55:39
Speaker
That's what I got. Yeah. I like the, uh, the guardian lineup at the same lane ability. I like that that, like to compare her with black bolt, right? Like that, that she's that much harder to hit, but you get a bigger, better effect. Yeah. Yeah. ah risk high reward Yeah. And I love referencing her ability to take down, uh, something as powerful as ego. Who's next?
00:56:09
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, no. Sorry, are you going alone? I was going to volunteer because mine is actually quite similar. Okay, yeah, go for it. I also went with Mantis's ability to kind of ah soothe or put to sleep even beings that are quite powerful.
00:56:26
Speaker
um And I looked for a hole in the lineup. I filled a six-cost Guardian because we don't have a six-cost Guardian. And obviously, that should be Mantis of all the Guardians. um I've made her probably a card I would hate. She's kind of, well, she's a six-cost, so yeah, a card I would hate. She's kind of an Elias. Six-three, on reveal, set all enemy cards played here this turn to zero power, including unrevealed cards.
00:56:55
Speaker
wow So, you know, it doesn't stop ongoing and something like a Doom or a Magneto can still have its effect, but... But it does shut the door. Yeah, and I was like, you know, that sounds ridiculous, but also Shang is a 4-3 that can take out 12 power. Wait, so it's just, it's 6-3, set all cards in that lane to power zero?
00:57:20
Speaker
enemy cards played here. So it still has the Guardians of the Galaxy effect. Got it. Okay, so only on that turn, the turn that they're played. Okay. yeah So it's like ah like a little mini on Reveal Valk.
00:57:34
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That is one thing that I appreciated about it. It's like, it's Valk and Olayef. And I don't know how I somehow combined those two. I wouldn't think it's awesome. No, I know you would look at a card and be like, how could we make this more Valkyrie? I almost made her a 6-4 and set herself to 0 because then she has the minus 4 to like mirror the Guardians plus 4. I was like, I don't know if that card's good. And also,
00:58:01
Speaker
That text is even more complicated than she's series one, so I tried to keep it at least somewhat approachable. Okay, I went a whole different, I won't lie, I hate that part of the Guardians, the force them into a lane, I guess. Yeah, which is why the one I played most of them is Gamora, because that's where you're most, you know what I mean? That's where you're most likely to guarantee a hit and until, as we discussed, she's not so great anymore. but um So I just, I got rid of it, because I don't like it.
00:58:33
Speaker
But it was interesting, I thought it was interesting too that you approached from a stat line first. um I definitely went with the ability first and I was thinking I wanted to keep it like the mantis, mantis's ability in mind. So I would propose that her text changed to recruit a random card with cost three or less from your opponent's lane to your side. um Such good disruption.
00:59:00
Speaker
But limited, I didn't want to be like, I wanted to differentiate it from Baron Zemo, who pulls the just the lowest cost, or Red Guardian, who targets the lowest power. And I wanted it to be, I didn't want it to be like any card, like a solo, you know, like recruit a random card, because it's like, I wanted to be able to steal like an Iron Man or something, you know, like too swinging.
00:59:27
Speaker
So I thought three or less, and if they have a whole lane, then you're gam- you know, maybe you get a squirrel or or something if they're a zoo, but like, maybe you're still a Marvel boy, you know? Oh, yeah.
00:59:39
Speaker
So that was the ability um I came up with. And I was thinking, when I was thinking about stat line, I almost first thought four, but I was thinking Baron Zemo was what I thought might be closest, right? And Baron Zemo is weaker, though, than this ability, because you're also stealing energy from the opponent that they've played to the board. So it's like, well, she needs a lower stat line than than him, but I thought a three might be good. I thought a three, too, is where I would start her at. I like the mirror of she can pull a three or lower and she's a three cost. I think that that is a good mnemonic. And then she'd go and serve her. And sometimes she'll miss. Sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, right. I think you did the best job of echoing back to her original snap ability. I'll take it. I love it. You can recognize the lineage.
01:00:30
Speaker
you know It's so much more playable. I feel like there is a version of Mantis's current ability that's that might be playable because Well, I don't know what it would be because I was gonna say mirages in the game and she's pretty good But like people don't play Mirage so and I mean Mirage is way better cable Maybe cable is a better comparison. I don't think she's cable. Yeah I'm just I'm just thinking like is there a version of her I don't know what it looks like but is there a version of her that's good where you can steal your opponent's card and
01:01:02
Speaker
Oh, that they played? I mean, when they buffed her most recently, they referred to stealing a venom, but like that's such a hard read to get. Oh, yeah. Yeah. i Well, I mean, even when it's telegraphed. Yeah. To get you play on turn three and they played venom on turn four. like And that's like one good thing in one matchup. Mm hmm. Yeah. It was a really weird thing to refer to. How about now? Now she's cool. I'm going to be good. Yeah.
01:01:30
Speaker
No, I agree. Poor Mantis. I want to play her so bad. Fix her. Fix her second dinner. She's got such good variance. Oh, yeah. As mentioned in the last- We all love that Roller Skate one. But I have tried. She's always the first cut, and it's not successful to me if I want to cut her soon.
01:01:52
Speaker
Yeah, I'm like, even if you put her in optimal settings, like a Jean Grey or a Daredevil is just like, How do you play her right? like anyway ah If you have a quinjet, it's still not worth it.
01:02:08
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okay Not over Nico. We can literally anything. No. No. Not at all. Okay. Well, I'm going to throw down a new ga a new challenge. Not just a new card to design, but spoilers for the end of the episode. I want all three of us to come up with a sign off for this show.
01:02:31
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oh Wow in the much higher state no no no no no no this is This is homework for next week. Yes. This is my my gauntlet throwing moment. Oh All right, it doesn't have to be great. It doesn't have to be the one that we end up going with but but I think it has to be great. That's what I think i feel like ben will already win know about that i don't know no I predict that all three of us will come up with something so dope that we're forced to adopt all of them, at least alternating or maybe every time. Some kind of chimera. I already already proposed exactly my my end to the show, which is just, um, you know, Lauren or the plushy of second dinner and going like, that's all folks. And then we do the like,
01:03:23
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yeah target the low out Yeah, I think that's great. This is my I guess I should grab it now that you've mentioned it. Just real serious idea, hopefully, because of audio listeners, but I got I got fud the podcast bud, but he's always cut off. He's cropped off the edges, but he hangs out on my printer behind me. That's that's it. You want to see him listen to the YouTube, watch the YouTube.
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Watch the Spotify and listen to the YouTube. That's our sign up. See? And it's very specific to Marvel Snap. I think Ben's already won this challenge because, dear listener, if you don't know, he wrote our music and it's very good. It's all right.
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01:04:55
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Also, speaking of snap judgments, a shout out to everybody competing in the snap judgments league season four. I want to say I don't know. Don't forget to play your matches. This is your reminder. Don't make your opponents wait around for you. Don't jerk them around. Be be a good sport. That's right. maybe i'll Maybe I'll be back for season five. I've taken a couple seasons off.
01:05:17
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um But I do like matching with some random person from the community and getting to chat for a little bit. That's fun. Oh, it's great fun. I highly recommend it. I forgot to sign up this season. But honestly, I need like, I can't, I'm doing too much stuff right now. Yeah. See, I had just started a new job and I think I needed some transition time. All right. Well, it's time to crush this outro.
01:05:45
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That's all we ever do. I thought we already ended. I thought we were just talking. We need some kind of stinger. Snap on this. You've been snapped upon.
01:06:18
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I I don't know. I've watched a lot of cartoons.
01:06:23
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Okay, but we're done now right now. Yeah.
01:06:57
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ah That's a secret for the video listeners only. I almost were like the same three of us did that without collaboration? What if we tried to gaslight just to see if anyone would note it?