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12: Despite Artaxing
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The Snap On This!! cohosts keep calm and carry on. 🥞
For our esteemed listeners’ consideration:
- 🫰 It’s been a Week in Snap
- Surtur 🔥 Frigga ⚔️ Malekith 🧙 (+ a lil Valkyrie 🌈)
- Secret Homework: Agatha All Along
- New game: Snapword!! 🃏
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Part of the Snap Judgments Network.
Featured decks:
- Ben - Throwback Heimdall
- Sizer - 10s Test (Lauren: Bob ➡️ Ice Man)
- Bones - Agent Valkyrie (Lauren: Debrii ➡️ Mysterio)
Credits:
- Cover art by Lauren
- Snap On This!! Theme by Ben
- YouTube thumbnail by Lauren’s kid, Reggi
Timestamps:
- 0:00:00 Intro / Our Week in Snap
- 0:23:34 New Card: Surtur
- 0:38:35 New Card: Frigga
- 0:47:38 Next Week's Spotlight: Malekith, Thena, Valentina
- 0:52:42 Secret Homework: Coven Card Design
- 1:08:02 Next Week's Secret Homework
- 1:09:47 Game Corner: Snapword!!
- 1:34:21 Housekeeping / Closing Remarks
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts' Reflections
00:00:01
Speaker
Hey, what's up? It's episode 12. We've got a whole dozen of Snap on This. I'm Lauren Whatevs. And I was just gonna say up front, this is the November 6th episode. And ah there's, you know, we're all Americans, the three of us. And so, you know, there's a I don't know Paul cast on this day. Am I using that word correctly? I don't know ah But anyway, we're just wanting to acknowledge all three of us considered ah not doing the episode this week to focus on self-care But then we were like, you know what?
00:00:31
Speaker
we can help you with your self-care. So here's a little levity, and more or less, that's all we're gonna say about it. I think it's- Okay, but also we're not promising that much. Absolutely. Oh yeah, what were your expectations? Sorry, I was just like, oh no. We're not promising quality, and we're also- We're not promising any or intelligent. Yay! Thanks for listening. Okay, I'm sorry. Hey, we're just- No, no, it made it better, I think everybody will agree.
Ben's Week in Snap and Cosmo Critique
00:01:01
Speaker
um This is an even episode, so we're throwing to Ben first. Benjamin Roller, how was your Week in Snap and keep it snappy? Alright, my Week in Snap, endeavoring as always to keep it snappy, I decided, well, I say I decided, I was okay with releasing myself with ah from hashtag pod goals, my perennial quest to
00:01:26
Speaker
get in the top 1000 on the leaderboard sometimes. It had been the previous two months, but i just i'm not I'm not loving all the Cosmo that's around. and it really i mean like I'm happy for the players who enjoy Cosmo, but it kind of makes all my decks work so well, which is a bummer. and you know You could adapt, you could react to the situation you're faced with and make the best of it. but I don't know, I was busy, I got like family stuff going on, other things, and I also really liked X to lose to Cosmo, so I just sorta died on that hill, baby.
00:02:02
Speaker
You know how it is. I'm stopping you to let the listeners know the external information that you have a fabulous looking cat named
Latte the Cat and Gaming Influences
00:02:14
Speaker
Latte. Is that perhaps part of the reason you were prejudiced against a good girl or boy, depending on the comic you're reading? I ah will say I am more of a goose player than a cosmo player.
00:02:30
Speaker
And I have been playing a lot of that one-cost Zabu. I mean, like, am I? Is my cat person this permeating the the game now? Also, i I never really identified as a cat person. I'm just friends with this one cat in particular. and that's i um I don't, like, have a lifelong history of cat friendship. This is, like, really the only one. This is a very special font that I have with Latte.
00:02:59
Speaker
Anywho, so no, I just, I don't like the, the turning off of the unreveal effects. That's my beef with Cosmo, the good boy or girl. Um, and you know, a we all, I don't know if we all know, but you know, there's an argument that could be made, you know, depending on your comics or your movies or whatever, like you.
00:03:18
Speaker
Cosmo can be whatever you want Cosmo to be, baby.
Balancing Gaming and Real Life
00:03:21
Speaker
Anywho, I finished the season with my most successful deck, I would say, being ah the bounce stuff I was doing with toxin. Also, last week I had been playing a Heimdall deck that I totally failed to mention, but yeah, still Heimdalling around this one. It was an old-school kind of thing with Angela in it, even though I don't really think that's the smart way to build move nowadays, but I like to Sometimes I just like to do my old tricks. What can I say? Even when they don't really work as well. Um, but yeah, I was doing Angela Heindahl stuff. Um, so far in the new season, I've mostly just been doing bounties, messing around, seeing what feels good. I did a little bit of cooking with Surtr, and we can talk about that later. It was probably not like the smartest thing to do with Surtr, but I did something.
00:04:11
Speaker
played some more Bounce, and I was having actually quite a lot of fun playing Miscard, the Mysterio Discard deck from several weeks ago that I put in one of the the squares for social media.
Gaming Philosophy: Fun Over Meta
00:04:25
Speaker
um So yeah, it's it's been an alright week. It's been fairly light on Snap stuff just because, you know, the real world has been asking more of me, what are you gonna do?
00:04:38
Speaker
But yeah, let's let's hear about my co-hosts. How's their weeks? I wanted to say I admire that you're only climbing when the game's fun for you. like I think that's important. And I know there are players who the adapting and always being on top is the fun part for them, but I very much feel the same way where I think climbing ladder is fun, but I only want to take it seriously when a deck I love is working. like I don't want to force myself to play something that that is suboptimal on fun.
00:05:07
Speaker
um yeah So I play Marvel Snap to have fun, and also I find that like I play better when I'm in a good mood. I'm also in a better mood when my decks can win, so like you know it's a little bit of like the chicken and the egg and everything, but like I could just tell that I was not in the good mood feedback loop, and so I cut back on my playtime.
00:05:29
Speaker
you know Okay, I'm not promising that I play better when I'm feeling good, but I definitely play way worse when I'm tilted. Rule of video games number one, you are so always worse at it when you're tilted. And that's what I found is the best. And also having friends who don't bring yourself out, playing it When you don't like it, put it down, step away so you can still love the game. If you continue to play it when you're not having fun and you're not enjoying it, you're just going to burn out it entirely.
00:06:02
Speaker
it It's okay to set it down. and So yeah, I think that's great advice. So that's that's co host number three, you've already heard her set the bar very low for this episode. um Explicitly, like not to say anything about the quality of what you're saying. Anyway, that's re ah How is your weekend in snap?
00:06:23
Speaker
Oh, um, yeah, I would say I've been inserting myself a lot into the conversation.
Re's Humorous Anecdote and Gaming Milestone
00:06:29
Speaker
Are you okay? You did? Insertering yourself a lot? No!
00:06:36
Speaker
Next level comedy. No, that's perfect because it's the perfect comedy because we got past agony and scorn and everyone thought they were safe and you come in. It's brilliant. It's the perfect piece. Okay. um I did have to – this is why You friend, my friends are the best is because earlier when I told Lauren, I was our taxing. She knew exactly what I meant, which we did. We all pulled ourselves out of our taxing to be here, which is referenced one of the greatest ah children's movies of all time. The never ending story. Our tax is, is the horse of a trayu, the warrior. And ah in the, in the, in the swamps of despair,
00:07:27
Speaker
or sadness, or sorrow, it's one of those. Some miserable place. Yeah, some miserable place. But he like it actively, like makes you despair, gets like sinks into the mud.
00:07:40
Speaker
And so um so that's our taxing is when you just to allow yourself um to sink. And then your friends who are also equally in the same muck you're in, you're in grateful ass, isn't it? Like just pulling on your rope like, no! You had to get the fuck out of here. Okay. um Sorry. So all of that is to preference what I'm not more joyfully saying that I did get, cause you know how lazy I am about conquest.
00:08:09
Speaker
Um, I did get my fifth, I think only ever. So don't feel bad if you don't have that many, anyone listening. Way to go. Yes.
Unconventional Deck Strategies
00:08:18
Speaker
And I got one avatar. Yes. It's the, the latest, uh, uh, spider Gwen.
00:08:27
Speaker
Ghost Spider, sorry. Wait, she was called Spider-Gwen, was her official comic title name. Official comic title was called Spider-Gwen. Before I came to Ghost Spider, so that is. That's where I got it wrong and I'm right, technically. So, okay. That's the avatar I got it on.
00:08:43
Speaker
So we just got light where she's upside down like got caught with graffiti but she has the most like I don't give a fuck look on her face and like the paint just like drooling or you know what it looks like. I guess I thought it was a water bottle isn't paint. I thought it was a water bottle too.
00:09:02
Speaker
okay anyway
00:09:07
Speaker
Okay, that's the avatar I got in on. And the question though, here, I did it with, people were like, oh, is it with one of your, like, cool new decks that you made? Like, by the way, with the anti-venom, I did swap in Shadow King for Howard. I'm sorry, Ducktective. But like, it's just, it's the first cut always, right?
00:09:28
Speaker
and But I know. What I did was I didn't even take my cool Irisham deck. I was like, fa I auto-ruled Irisham to get right in and without even like practicing testing the waters. I'm like, I want to I want to lead you in some stuff. I'm sharing some stuff. I'm going to chantress some stuff. And I did.
00:09:48
Speaker
um And I took that, and then my very last battle ah was against another Arashim deck. And it's so insane, because then it's like I'm used to knowing what they're going to do, sort of. You can guess what's in their deck, what their range is. But when it's Arashim versus Arashim, and both of you snap, it's just like, what is even going to play out here? It's wild. I had no idea. Yeah, you have very low information.
00:10:17
Speaker
right It's so hard to make that because you don't know if they're snapping because they like woo they pulled a blob and they're going to win one lane with it. and It's like, yeah, but then I'm going to shadow king it and pull out three other cards you didn't know I have that are also cheaper for some reason you didn't know. You don't know if they have one of those. are it's like blob you know so um or just whatever. Anyway, my question though is I do think a lot of people think Arisham is OP and needs to be nerfed.
Is Arisham Overpowered?
00:10:49
Speaker
I don't know where I feel about that because I have definitely gotten beaten by Arisham, but I also can still beat Arisham. What are what are your both of your opinions on the state of Arisham?
00:11:01
Speaker
That's what I want to know. I don't worry about Arisham. Frankly, I've never really worried about Arisham. My philosophy has long been, keep your eyes on your own paper. And you know if you if you're familiar with the material, you'll win games, is my feeling. I mean, like that there are limits to that philosophy. But i've yeah, i've I've never been like, I can't win games because Arisham's everywhere.
00:11:29
Speaker
ah I don't know that they get extra energy, but they don't get to have like a coherent game plan. So.
00:11:38
Speaker
Yeah, so obviously a lot of it depends on how lucky they get, right? So it can be a really swingy deck, but that should matter less in conquest mode. Like they get the advantage of, you don't know what they drew in that game. It's not necessarily going to be the same as the previous game, but they also, I don't know, their average draws is lower than their peak draw. Should it matter less in conquest mode? They can still get you in for a lot of cubes or whatever. Like I'm not, I'm not always convinced that conquest is that different from ladder in terms of like,
00:12:08
Speaker
I disagree though. I disagree because I play a lot of times I'll play decks and I'm like this is a ladder deck though because you're only gonna scam them in each of these ways once. That's true. That's true. You can't always pull all that out. Did you mean in general or did you mean specifically for Aurisham then? A little bit a little bit of both but yeah I I mean, like it is true that if if your deck is hoping to do one scammy surprise one time, then the latter is good.
00:12:43
Speaker
But if if you're trying to tell a story to your opponent about the scam you did here in the first game, and surely you're going to do that every time, but secretly you've got like more scams and stuff. Oh, I do love that. you know I don't know. I just think that good decks are
Deck Strategies and Meta Analysis
00:13:00
Speaker
good decks, and they're usually good decks in both places.
00:13:05
Speaker
There's such an advantage to knowing you're out your opponent's range versus not. That's where I come in, because I think so much of the reason I can... like fool around with all my goofy decks because I'm like reasonably good at like reading the meta and what maybe they're gonna do and what the range of their deck is and with Arashim I just get that's why it's the hardest to fight Arashim because I'm like I don't know why they're snapping whereas there's so many other times they snap and I know what they have or what they're gonna try and do and then I know whether I can counter that and like snap and back or at least play it out for the chance or not but with Arashim it's like
00:13:46
Speaker
why snap doesn't really narrow down the possibilities very much. you You don't learn much when your opponent snaps and they're playing Arisham. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I don't know that when I'm playing against Arisham and that makes it so much harder for me to play against. but Does that make it overpowered or is that just I think it's an advantage. It's an advantage just like the extra energy is, and that all factors into like how good a deck is, right? I don't think it's too strong, but I can understand how it can be really frustrating to play against. And my frustration with it varies a lot. I'm not usually on the super frustrated side, but I understand people who are.
00:14:31
Speaker
and But obviously, if you're running something with like, Cassandra Nova or Darkhawk or whatever, then it's like, no big deal. I'm glad I are glad i ran into Arisham. Yeah. Yeah, but that's how you get them for a lot of cubes when they think they got you because they have a Cassandra Nova or Darkhawk. And you're like, yeah, but like, you know, you know, you can win the other two lanes or you're going to negate it in some way. Because that's the biggest thing is when they think that's when you get the most cubes is when they think they got you.
00:15:01
Speaker
I mean, I tend to save my my Nova for the last turn. You are forgetting I played Arish and Into Dark. so it i What? I got all those points. It's true. Just defiantly. You got all that energy to play out those shangs, those enchantresses, you know.
00:15:20
Speaker
They don't know you have a rogue, they have no idea. You can have the most, anyway, okay. I think Arisham is powerful. I don't know that it's it's too powerful. And the fact that neither of you think so would then make me agree with that. But I like playing it and because I've always liked shield cards. I like improving in the cards. That's kind of fun for me. So I like playing it and I don't want people to make me feel bad about it to be honest.
00:15:50
Speaker
You're not the game designer. Yeah, but also it's like, if it is like OP, I never play like the actual busted decks when you're busted. That's no fun. I didn't, when I got to level 16 World of Warcraft, I didn't gank on a PvP server. I didn't gank lovies. I had morals. So like, I'm just saying, if I know it's like overpowered, I don't tend to want to play it.
00:16:14
Speaker
man I version is I don't feel like Loki is super playable outside of Irishman. That's a huge shock. Not that I want old Loki back. No, but like to see a whole deck archetype just absorbed into another one like yeah because the key card changed. Yeah, it stinks. I'm not i'm not like weeping for the lack of Loki, but it's just like a bummer that the the diversity is gone. you know
00:16:41
Speaker
like It was a terror like old Loki, but at the same time it's like I love Loki the card, the character. I don't want it to only feel playable in Arisham. That's no fun. Yeah, just as Arisham's sidekick, like that's not great. That doesn't sound like glorious purpose to me. He's the god of stories. Okay, anyway. Yeah, okay. I was just curious. That was my discussion. I want to see what you what if you thought, you know, people are always complaining about whatever deck they last lost to. Can you see what you thought me the state of Irish time was? How was your week, Lauren?
Lauren's Gaming Success and Bounties
00:17:21
Speaker
My week was good. I didn't feel like I played that much, but I took first in the Alliance, and I think there are a couple things at at play there.
00:17:30
Speaker
One, i ah plate I just grabbed up every single discard bounty that popped up. I feel like they're way too generous, the discard ones. I don't want them changed. yep I've also been doing that. I'm just saying, you can get a lot of points thing yeah you can get a lot of points really fast. Discard 40? It's a breeze. It's a Wong Modoc.
00:17:50
Speaker
That's part of why I finished so high in the Alliance, despite not playing all that much, in addition to fewer people playing all that much that week. Yeah, so that was the other part of that. The discard is very good to me also. Yeah, ah Ben and I took top two in the Alliance. I think it's the first time I've been even in the top three. Glory to the pad.
00:18:10
Speaker
I could be wrong, but yeah, and we contributed 21k of the 180k. We barely, barely like last second pulled off the full prizes. um But i I think this is the closest it's ever been. And I think it must be because so many people were checking out the new Pokemon game. Maybe. I mean, how much time can you spend on that new Pokemon? I mean, well, kind of a lot of time because everything is very slow about it is very slow to do battles, it's very slow to open packs, it's very slow to shift menu screens, it's very slow to check your missions, and it's very slow to go to the shop, very slow to, yeah, do your Wonder Picks, like, oh, is just, like, designed to take forever. It is not snappy. It's very frustrating. Uh, yeah, that's my week. We do not snappy. We've, how far are we on week on Snap?
00:19:07
Speaker
you know I was complaining about the snap menus. They're a little bit laggy still. Nothing compared to these pocket menus. I tell you one thing, they are just glacial.
00:19:22
Speaker
While we're in our Pokémon packet side tangent, I did finally get to play it. And it was it was better than I thought. And it will not replace Snap. And I do, but when I get too tired to think of Snap, I can just build decks in the auto battle.
00:19:41
Speaker
yeah And I have actually never once played a human in it because I'm pretty sure if I had to wait for another person, it would ruin the whole game and I wouldn't play it at all. That's how I feel.
Pokemon TCG vs. Snap
00:19:54
Speaker
That's exactly how I feel. I was like, these computers are already too slow. If a human's any slower, I am going to die. Yeah.
00:20:04
Speaker
And they are. And also, I have played more matches against a human since last week with my sample size of one. And ah yeah, a lot of people will disconnect when they start to lose and you have to wait for the timer to go down before you get your little win. And like, oh, like being roped. Yeah, I don't I worry that I sounded too harsh last week when I said that it was a game for it it was not a game for serious people who liked good things. But
00:20:34
Speaker
I don't feel very serious when I'm playing it. And I'm like, i don't I don't think they're being very respectful of my time or my attention. And yeah, I don't know. yeah I think the but game is fun-ish, but it does take way too long. It's like I can have the same amount of fun in a much smaller amount of time if I play Snap. So Snap is still always going to be my favorite between the two. But it's easier for me to play Pokemon when the TV's on. I don't know.
00:21:06
Speaker
You can set it to auto battle while you're watching TV and be like, I'm multitasking. I haven't even tried auto battle, but maybe that's what I should be doing. is I tried auto battle and it misplayed horribly. It plays terribly, but you put together an opium of deck and then if you're just going for the little mission things, where it achieves a few things or whatever. yeah yeah That's how you get a lot of things done at once. I'm just saying, it could it could take a lesson from Ego and Agatha, like, oh my god. Bad decisions, like, retreating with Pokémon that should not have been retreating for like no reason to throw out a Pokémon that has like three, like, whose attacks cost like three energy. It's just like, it's making bad choices aggressively.
00:21:55
Speaker
All right, I'm going to end this. If you're enjoying Pokemon TCG Pocket, I don't mean to tell you that you shouldn't enjoy it. Keep on enjoying it. And you're still a real gamer and a cool person. I just think it's a silly game. Okay. I want to say the segment of Agatha and Ego teach you how to play s Snap. Teach you how to play Pokemon.
00:22:20
Speaker
okay um i I'm gonna end this. I was doing the Discard shenanigans. I was running ah an APOC deck with Modok. Also Silver Samurai, Moon Knight and Misery. It's just, it's very fun. It's growing on me so much. I won a match where it was my Meek versus their Scorn and I felt like a boss because Meek won.
00:22:46
Speaker
Ego is what I wanted to talk about. I had a match where Ego popped up, we both snapped, you know, as you do if you're honorable. And the first location... I don't know about all that. I think you snapped there if you think you're gonna win. That's what I do.
00:23:02
Speaker
I will if they do, but it's not, like, there's no, like, if they're not going to, then I'm not going to. If they don't also snap, there's no honor involved. Yeah, you can retreat. It's fine. It's like the fall out crossing the bridge.
00:23:18
Speaker
um i had I had one where Ego popped up, the first location was Bart with no name, and he just, he played beautifully. He played almost exactly how I would have played. It was um it was art, even though it was all just random roles, Ego knew what he was doing.
00:23:33
Speaker
Okay, we are going to move on to the season pass card, Surtur, a 3-5.
Exploring Surtur Strategies
00:23:40
Speaker
After you play a card with 10 or more power, this gains 3 power. I'm assuming we all got the season pass, only tell us if you didn't. What do you think about Surtur? I want to go last. That's pretty big. Okay. Yeah, big, definitely. ah I built with Surtur, my first thought was like, how can I make a goofy surfer deck with Surtur in it? And that was real bad, just real bad. So he's at three cost. I know, like I was like trying to get real cute with it. I was like, well, I'll have Gladiator and Shaw and I'll just be playing three tens all day long. And like it, you know, things about it
00:24:28
Speaker
worked sometimes in isolation, but like as a deck, it did not work. And ah a more successful deck that I built, it had misery as one of the the central cards. this This deck is also still bad, so like don't play this deck that I'm about to tell you about. America Chavez, Zabu.
00:24:52
Speaker
Forge, Psylocke, Armor, Cosmo, Surtur, Gladiator, Gwenpool, Misery, Crossbones, and Scar. And the idea is, like you know if we're playing Armor anyway, maybe we should Misery on a Gwenpool. is you know that That's always like a fun thing to do, especially if you don't have to discard that 6-power body.
00:25:13
Speaker
and not discard. like you know like I meant discard with a lowercase d and just get rid of like you know words. Anyway, um this this deck is a little iffy. like It feels like maybe there's something there. Mostly it just feels like I'm playing a bad version of Big Dumb Idiots. ah um But I don't know. i'm I'm having fun with it and doing okay. I haven't played a zillion games with it.
00:25:41
Speaker
It hasn't lost me cubes on the ladder, but like I'm not like shooting all the way up to infinite. Not that I'm really like trying this early in the season. I kinda... I am in the mood to take it slow because the world is a tough place, as as we as we briefly touched upon. And I'm just not in the mood to put a whole ton of pressure on myself. I already know I'm good at card games, and it'll be fine in the end.
00:26:09
Speaker
So yeah, I've i've i've got Surtur. I'm playing Surtur. Seems like a pretty good card. Gets real big for not very much energy and ah doesn't seem like the most flexible card in the universe. Kind of seems like there's one really good thing to do with Surtur. And I guess I'm seeing a lot of people doing it and we all know what the good thing to do with him is. So I guess do it if you're into that and do something else if you're not.
00:26:39
Speaker
Did you see that Hulkbuster trick with him?
00:26:45
Speaker
If you play Hulkbuster in a big card, it considers it's a new big card. Even if you play it on your own. If your searcher is already 3-8 and then you Hulkbuster it, it counts itself. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Surtur can proc itself himself? Surtur can proc itself if you play Hulkbuster on it. I saw a clip. Also, apparently it doesn't work with agony though.
00:27:09
Speaker
Huh, that seems weird. Cause Agony happens after the card is done being played. Maybe. you I played a Surtur on the Throne Room and he came out as a 3-10 and I was like, why didn't this work? But it didn't work for the record. He can't proc himself that way. I bet if there was already a Surtur on the board, it would work. um Yeah, I've done Surtur procs on Throne Room, but not with Surtur itself.
00:27:34
Speaker
or himself rather. I've played like, I've played things that got doubled past 10 and they count for Surtur. Yeah, I'm pretty sure like ah a Black Panther or a Devil Dino counts as long as it's over 10. Ryu said you wanted to go less, so I'll say i definitely got Surtur. I've played a decent amount with him, he basically exactly what I expected. um Really good if you get amount on three, it makes the big dumb idiots deck so...
00:28:01
Speaker
So strong. It can go wide on the last turn. It can play Scar and another 10. It's very good. um there's some There's a little bit of strategy there, but it's it's quite simple. like If you play Atumu when your Surtur is at 8, then after your Surtur goes up to 11, Atumu can't kill it. Safe. Uh-huh. If you play a Scar in the lane with your Typhoid Mary, it still has 10 power.
00:28:29
Speaker
Um, you're probably playing an armor anyway with all those juicy cards. So I've tried a few things. Cosmo, right? Mm hmm. Yeah, I've tried a few things. And the thing I've liked best is a size or deck that I got from Snap judgments. Yeah. I don't was it snap take the daily. I got that from from Glazer's latest. So I'm not going to read it off. Go watch his video or I guess we'll have it in the show notes. But Sizer put together just a It's a Surtur Ten's List, a Surtur's Guard deck. I don't know that there's a lot of interesting things going on there, but ae it's decent when you don't draw Surtur, and when you do, it's just a beast. I think, I still think we're gonna see, I'm holding out that we're still gonna see more decks that are just doing like, proccing Surtur once or twice, because he's still really big if you only hit him once. But yeah, I think he's kind of expensive to get out later. Yeah.
00:29:28
Speaker
three Okay. Um, I wanted to go last cause I have devious plans for my assertor conversation, but I want to say I have not actually played it at all. Earlier times, like for the podcast, despite our taxing, you should say it. And I started to put together the bigs and littles deck I was talking about, uh, last week. I think I'm going to call it Surter in the shorties.
00:29:53
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um But when I was putting it together, it's like, this is what everyone's doing, so it's less fun. And then I started thinking about, okay, and everyone's playing it, boo. So I was like, ah this is like, you know, I really want to do that. I've been done in a while. It's like,
00:30:14
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Valk that shit down to three. Look at all their big, giant, juicy cards and like slap down a Valk on them. I used to have a deck um called sexy pile of cards um that was more of a ladder deck because it was very much a scam deck with legion and valk and all this stuff but i i'm forever proud of it because it was the one time i taught lauren my one valk trick um which is playing valk with she hold uh this is the great thing about valk is one um
00:30:52
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Uh, you don't have to play, like so many people just see her as that end cap card of like, you need a full lane and, you know, then something to pop that lane, but you can just play her on five on their like red Hulk. They cheated out earlier, or whatever, you know what I mean? Or whatever you do, you know what I mean? You can take, you can take her, you can treat her almost like a shame.
00:31:14
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on a, on just a big card that's all alone, you know, or where, where you have more cards than them there. So that, and if you, if you skip turn five and just like soak all that energy into a sunspot, then on turn six you can win any lane with just Valk and She-Hulk.
00:31:33
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because that will get you one more than they have, which is all you need with Valc. So I did a lot of Valc She-Hulk scamming on ladder back in the day and it was fun. It was so fun. And this feels like Valc season again to me is what I think about Surtr.
00:31:52
Speaker
And I started putting, okay, I've been doing what I've been doing a lot to make decks fun for me, which is to put werewolf in it. That's been what's fun for me lately. So I started putting, I'm like, oh, one tiny- Yup. Yes! Right? That's what I was just learning! I was like, need your little, like, cause I'm always trying to see how I can avoid just, like, putting Ant-Man in decks for someone. And some of the little pink cards. Um, no, he's... Ant-Man's great. No, it is! I just, like, it's like, I like...
00:32:25
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doing Valk other ways. So it's just like, aw, just like a little werewolf popping at the end. Glorious way to win a lane. So I started playing this game, and then I was like, and Lauren's right, lockdown is so good with ze playing like Valk, Absorbing Man?
00:32:43
Speaker
But you knew where they were going to play their big ass Surtur cards, because you had stormed a lane previously, so you knew they were going to put stuff there, and you lost Prowish and Valor. And then you knew the other lane they were going to play, because, you know, one lane was locked down, and you just absman them over there. um so make car i no So I you know, Lauren, who is the Vout Queen, and Ben, who also knows some of these cards better than me.
00:33:13
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ah My first, oh, because I was, right, also super giant, right, if you have Storm super giant and Absman in a deck, doesn't that make Zabu just fit in so easily? You're just like, I'm liking those for three please. Yeah, that's also a werewolf pinger, you know? So even if you get a Zabu in late, where it's not going to do as much good, you're still getting a little werewolf proc off of it.
00:33:37
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I wanted to put in Elsa, because here's my thought, and I don't know if this works the way I think it does. Is that, okay, if you have Elsa out and then Valk is your last card, is she gonna get plus two at the end and win you the lane? She used to. So there was like, this is like circa December of last year to February, March, something like that, where she, ah Elsa happened at the end of the turn.
00:34:06
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they have since changed her back. So she does it like before the card even flips. So Elsa is my mom. Got it. Okay, so we wouldn't. That's what I was wondering. Not anymore. Bad. See? And then I was like, oh, we'd have a reason for Elsa and werewolf to be together, which if you didn't know, like, kind of a thing, but they have no fucking reason. They do not belong together in this game. Um, but no, okay. That's what I was worried about. I, I was, I already took her out and I'm like, no, I'll ask. You'll know.
00:34:37
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um So anyway, I just feel like if you're not feeling certain and maybe open Valc season. Yeah, that's on my to build list is some Valkyrie
Community Creations: Patriot Valkyrie Deck
00:34:50
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stuff. i I've played Valkyrie in the past, but I don't know. It's been a long time. I was just like, while I was listening, I was also wondering like,
00:35:00
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Would a discard Valkyrie deck be fun? Because like Morbius, let's set his power to three because he doesn't give a shit, yeah you know, with that ongoing. um I was also thinking like, hey, strong guy, there's another card with an ongoing effect that makes it bigger. yeah You know, also Sorn and Valkyrie on turn six, that's a balanced breakfast, I tell you what. um That's pretty good.
00:35:25
Speaker
I don't know. That's just like a thought that was bouncing around in my head, but I could also do something more traditional with like, I don't know, lockdown things and miss Marvel and all that sort of stuff. I don't know. But yeah, I'm looking forward to having a Valkyrie deck to tell you guys about next week, but I don't have it yet. Okay. I'm glad you brought up Valkyrie. I have a friend in the community named Bones who put together a really cool Patriot Valkyrie deck.
00:35:55
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It's kind of straightforward. When you hear the pieces, it's like Patriot, Agent Venom, Valkyrie, you could probably build out most of it yourself. I'm going to read out his version. I changed one card, and I was having a blast with it. And the only reason I stopped playing it is I was like, oh, but I probably should have some experience with Surtr and Freer for the podcast.
00:36:16
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morning um But yes, Valk is doing great right now. Okay, it's ah called Agent Valk. It's Wasp, Hood, Bast, Squirrel Girl, Mojo, Agent Venom, Mystique, Patriot, Debris, Super Scroll, Iron Man, Valkyrie.
00:36:37
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I switched out Debris for Mysterio, because I think they're very similar for the Patriot and the Valkyrie. Look at Ben naughty. I knew I was like, Ben's into this. He hates Debris. Both of you. No respect for Debris. Mysterio is better for the Agent val or for the ah agent Venom and the Blast. Debris is offensive though. She clogs. It's brilliant. But yes, for the clog and with Mojo there, Debris has some advantages too. Bones is a clog player, so that's the different reason. The right Debris?
00:37:05
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It's like a goblin. She can just fill the lane. You guys are not respecting. She's not saying that Mysterio isn't strong. I'm just saying Debris has her uses. so Okay. I should probably try it with Debris, but I was like, you know, Mysterio's 12 power if I hit him with Agent Venom. That's pretty compelling. That's a lot of power.
00:37:28
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That's why Ben just wants pure power. He's like, I'm not out to ruin anyone else's day. I'm just trying to get the biggest slates, honestly. And it's like- It is true. I feel like part of the reason why- That's how you win. When you asked me like if if I was like, if I thought Arisham was OP, I'm like, I don't know. I go taller than them. I was having energy jerks all the time.
00:37:53
Speaker
But see, that's why I have fun is when I get to feel smart because I'm like, I knew what you're going to do. I read what was in your deck. I knew what card you had. I knew because you snapped what you had and where you were going to play it. And then I counterplayed it and now I get to feel big brain. No, debris can ruin some days, but like Mysterio does put out that power. numbers The numbers, listen to the numbers. I don't know.
00:38:19
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All right, let's move on. If you fill in the lane that you knew they were waiting to put their like red hulk in or whatever, then you've already won that lane. No, it's crushing. You didn't need the power. You didn't need it. You didn't need it to wait. You proved your superiority. Okay. Quag is very good. Rest in peace, White Widow. Frigga. Oh, don't. 3-3. That did not like White Widow. 3-3, on reveal. Add a copy of the last card you played to your hand, if able.
00:38:49
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Did either of you get her? Yeah. No. Okay. Okay. How'd you get her, Reese? I'll start this time because I have the least.
00:38:58
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Okay, I got her in one. One of the reasons I rolled this week was like, I do like the MCU Red Guardian. It's a great card I don't have a van for. so um But I rolled her in one, so I'll take it. I'm saving and my keys. I need them for cards. But I have played her exactly once, and it was in our shop.
00:39:23
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But it's a perfect play because I was playing bounce clearly. Bounce decks are so obvious. Right from the get go. And I turn one master mold at them and then I didn't snap because I had a freega to play. To get another master mold and they just retreat. They just straight up laugh.
00:39:47
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That's a cool, that's a cool use. So that was perfect. um But here's the part. So I did put together because like I want this to be my hammer season. I want to be I want Beta Ray Bill and Thor to be like the hammer bros from um Mario.
00:40:06
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you know just like That's what I want for myself this season, is hammers. So I tried to put together, and then once again, because it's how I've been having fun, I made a werewolf hammers deck. But honestly, I don't think hammers are going to be even kind of worth it, maybe, until King Etri comes out.
00:40:28
Speaker
because they're still so clunky. And here's my last really good deck before the nerf of Widow um was Darkhawk. ah werewolf The problem with werewolf and Thor is that in Darkhawk, you're disrupting them as you're building power, which is like always right as we discuss the thing with Darkhawk. And plus, that too, when you were like double Black Widow-ing them with the Grandmaster, I'm so mad. It was so fun for me until everyone found it and it started happening to me. Now it's not funny anymore.
00:41:04
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um The problem with hammers is that your only advantage, because your cards aren't always getting that that big, is that you can delay the power gain on them so they can't be shanged or shadowkinked and you can play shadowking yourself. At least this is what I'm seeing as I was trying to play this deck. That's the problem with hammers, it's like they're just other things that build power just do it better and more efficiently and their bonuses don't feel offsetting. But maybe when King Ettry comes out, the fun will be able to be found. We're going to mess with that delay because you have to play the hammer first if you're going to get an extra hammer. But if you can King Ettry it as soon as you put it in, then it's a little bit more playful. My qualms with
00:41:56
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going hammers this season are that they made a great big sign that said play hammers this season and they planted it in in front of me. yeah i yeah don No, thanks. Uh, I appreciate the offer and the engraved invitation, but like, come on, come on.
00:42:20
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ah I mean, no no no shade to anybody who's like, I'm excited to play Hammers during the Hammers season, but like, I don't know. That's a little, that is the beaten path and I'm not impressed. I don't know. Ben will not be railroaded.
00:42:41
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It's a bit heavy-handed, honestly. like they I don't know. I mean, like I'm all for having like seasons with themes and like you know mechanical identities that you know sort of hold together. like I remember the Young Avengers season and I'm like, ah yes, they all cared about that one thing they cared about. ah But I don't know if Hammers is as good as doing your curve stuff. I don't know.
00:43:06
Speaker
I don't know. But is it fun, though? Also, Pixie is a good friend of Hammers, and I've been really wanting to play more Pixie, so I'm hoping to get in there. Pixie's a friend of Hammers? Why is that? Because I've seen Pixie decks with her. I played one Pixie deck, I feel like, that wants a head of Hammers. You don't think so? Well, she doesn't shuffle the Hammers. I think you might get along with Frigga just fine, but I don't know about Hammers.
00:43:34
Speaker
If you play her after the hammers are in, she shuffles them in. She only shuffles things that started in your deck. Oh. Yeah, otherwise she would be the and even she would be nuts in Thanos if she shuffled the whole deck.
00:43:47
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ah yeah I'm pretty sure Thanos is the reason why that exists. I don't know what to do with Pixie and I want to do something with her. Make a Serder Pixie deck. That's my arbitrary homework for you. Not really.
00:44:04
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um
00:44:06
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Arbitrary homework is distinct from secret homework, branding-wise. um I got Frigga. I spent three keys. I wanted MCU Red Guardian, but missed, and it's very tempting because it's only one key away, but I will resist because keys be expensive, yo.
00:44:24
Speaker
I've played a bit of Frigga. She feels a lot like anti-venom to me where it's like when it hits, it's great, but a lot of the time it doesn't hit. um What I've had the best success with so far is putting her in negative and actually not even using her on a negative card, but using her on an early sage in a game where magic was played, like it's awfully niche, but still, getting an extra sage that starts at four to eight power is great. That's been good.
00:44:58
Speaker
and frigga in the same deck i havent probably yeah ah That seems legit to me. Although all of this is purely speculative because Frigate is just a silhouette on my collection screen because I haven't even run into one in the wild. Nobody is playing this card. It's true. I don't think I've seen anybody playing it either. She's so awkward because it's like you just don't have, it's like for the three cost slot, you don't have so many cards that are such a good benefit. You know what I mean? That she's worth anything else. It's sad.
00:45:33
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I did see Dexter was playing a Thor Frigate deck and having some good success with it. He said it was his best deck of yesterday of all of his Surtur and Frigate stuff that he tried. I honestly don't think that speaks well through the card.
00:45:50
Speaker
I think that's kind of interesting. I wanted to try it anyway. I wanted to try a Thor's Frigga deck. You can also, instead of cloning the hammer, you can clone a Thor. And as long as you get a hammer, that's the problem. If you do that, if you do Thor, Frigga, Thor, you don't get Jane. But then you only need one hammer to have two, three tens. to get two yeah It's a lot of work, though. And I mean, hey, on the last turn, you can use a misery or an Odin. And then and then your one hammer is doing a lot of work. But it seems fun, but very, like, ah very, very combo dependent. Yeah, which is why I'm like, oh, but surely just one more combo. King entry will save it. I know it's not going to make there's still going to be awkward. I just I just want to.
00:46:39
Speaker
I want to like her. I really do. Do we think that she's going to receive a prop buff? I know that hammers, I mean. Just because the fact that I haven't even run into one makes me think that nobody got this card, which makes me think they're going to buff it. I wouldn't be surprised, but also maybe they'll see if we figure it out in a week. There's a reason she's a 3-3. There must be something that they thought was a problem. Was there a reason that Emperor Hulkling was a 6-11?
00:47:08
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We can't pretend they're infallible. Yeah, that's true. I do think she'll get that. Big mistakes. Also, I think, nope, sorry, I lost it. Frigga. I agree. Something I do love about Frigga is there is lots of room for great deck names, like Frigga Hammers.
00:47:34
Speaker
That is a big plus in the pro column. Okay, um next week's card, Malekith, mine and Ben's number one of the season, at least last week, a four, six on reveal at a one, two, or three cost from your deck here. It reveals at the end of the game. I still think it's great. I'm going for it. um Probably with keys and it will be my first two card week because I don't have Valentina. Also me!
00:48:06
Speaker
well That's on Malekith? What are you doing? on mallaan and i would yeah I will acquire this card. It looks like I will probably have enough tokens to buy it by this time next week. um Or it's going to be really close. I may have to buy one of the bad token Tuesdays. I usually only buy the good token Tuesdays because I am a bit of a spend thrift like that.
00:48:31
Speaker
um But yeah, we'll we'll see what happens. I'm definitely getting the card, that's for dang sure. Whether it's with keys or tokens. I don't need either of these cards, but um I guess ah an extra variant wouldn't you know hurt or anything. I just, not my preferred use of resources. Sure. I'm stoked to get Valentina. I love, I love, I've always loved shield cards and random gen cards. So I think she's very fun. Every time I get her with Irish and I'm like, ooh. So.
00:49:01
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um um aunttin has been A little bit lately. Yeah, I see her from time to time. And Dex on purpose and everything, yeah. It's part that I've only ever played generated, but you know. Oh, Thena is amazing. Oh, Thena is amazing. Yeah, if you don't have Thena, you probably want to use some keys this week. Because Thena, she'll be back. That's my feeling.
00:49:28
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Yeah, we we jumped the gun a little bit, but the spotlight friends are Fina and Valentina. um
00:49:36
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They're fine. Fina's good. Valentina, I would have just said is is like playable in s some decks, but she really she's been ah her player. It's been going up a little bit lately. So I don't know. Maybe she's something to watch. Maybe something cool is going to happen with her. She looks just fun to me. Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:58
Speaker
Maybe in all the decks that are running Luke Cage anyway, an anti-venom deck or something. Yeah, it could be. i You know, honestly, if you get a 0-0 Valentina, that's not the end of the world, right?
Beginner Tips: Agent 13 and Coulson
00:50:11
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I was just thinking the Cage, the Cage recovers with a free power. Any time we start talking about a Luke Cage deck, I start thinking about the games when Luke Cage doesn't show up, and I'm like, what's how bad does it really, like, and what's the worst case scenario? You play a 0-0 Valentina, you get a 4-cost card,
00:50:28
Speaker
And like, you know, it's probably got a cool effect. Maybe it's Magneto. That's what everyone said about Emperor Hulkling. Maybe he'll get lucky and you'll, maybe you'll get, it maybe he'll be Magneto. And we're all excited about 611 Magneto for, I don't The gore is coming and is a big buff for Hulkling. Yes. Yeah. Well, I mean a big buff as in one more good outcome. Yes. Yes. A big buff for Hulkling. Huge!
00:50:58
Speaker
Sometimes I'm just grateful to get the random gem cards, so I play other cards. I notice a lot. You can tell from when I get things really wrong about cards. I tend to play a lot of the same cards, I think. They're just my comfort, and I know how they work, and I think about them when I'm deck building. And it's like, I really need to get outside and playing decks like Arish and getting random gem cards, like kind of forcing some cards with other play, so that they're in my head vocabulary.
00:51:25
Speaker
Yeah, I really think if you're still early to the game, I think cards like Agent 13, Coulson are like... I mean, Coulson is a Series 3 card, so it's harder to use this way, but I think they're really great to just like learn new cards. I thought Agent 13 was super fun my first couple months of playing, because it let me play all kinds of things. Oh yeah. Now you just get mad because she keeps giving you Agathys. You're like, no! No, Agent 13!
00:51:50
Speaker
We have just just like a heads up because it'll happen before our next episode. There's a patch on Tuesday um and then that same week there's an OTA on Thursday and then that's it for November so I'm really hoping this patch will bring the December cards.
Upcoming Patch and OTA Speculations
00:52:07
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It'll be interesting if it doesn't. It means that they have a way to, I don't know, OTA in the cards maybe? I just don't think they can do that. I think they have to use a patch if they're like adding assets.
00:52:19
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um Anyway, that that's interesting that there's a patch in an OTA in the same week and then nothing in the rest of November, presumably because of the Thanksgiving holiday.
00:52:31
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um Yeah, we'll see. that's that's Those are the cards. That's the patch OTA. Time for an intermission. On to our side quests. First up, secret homework.
Creative Card Designs: Sharon Davis and Lilia Calderoo
00:52:47
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ah It was Ben's, so take it away, Ben.
00:52:51
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Oh, gosh. All right. Secret homework. Surprise.
00:53:00
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Her name was briefly Hart, but once again it's Davis. Agatha's been told, but she cannot retain this. A garden queen, her thumb is green, she gamely gulps to glasses.
00:53:25
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One does short of antidote at trials and she passes. ah And that's Sharon Davis. So good! It's a one cost, one power card, and her text is very simple. Transforms into a random three cost card on turn four.
00:53:49
Speaker
So I borrowed Westview's turn four trigger thing, no because she got you know, uh, you know, she, she's a Westview resident who was cast in a Wanda sitcom as a Mrs. Heart. And Agatha just cannot move past that. Like she refuses to learn her real name. It's the, it's yeah, very inconsiderate and, uh, not, not very nice of Agatha really ah to, to conscript this.
00:54:18
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this non-witch to, yeah yeah. Sharon Davis got done so dirty. Anyway, yeah. I i borrowed the Westview turn four trigger thing to, you know. allude to that, but it also hints at her demise in the third episode of Agatha all along and subsequent replacement in the fourth. So I'm like, I'm making it appropriate to both shows. Haha. So two birds with one stone there. um It turns out it would be a bit game breaking if she transformed into the green witch that they bring in to replace her.
00:54:53
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I figure we can just say spoilers and then people can... Yeah, i'm I'm trying to be like light on spoilers. so in i mean I'm sorry, she dies in the third episode and that's...
00:55:05
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Yeah, I've already I've already disclosed that but they spoilers for Agatha all along. And ah I keep the chapter times they're in the YouTube description and in the um podcast thing. So if you if you don't want to be spoiled on Agatha all along, ah skip ahead to snap word or game.
00:55:25
Speaker
Yeah, so what I'm saying, I guess i was I was trying to dance around it, but it would be like kind of a broken card if on turn four, you just got death on the board. So I decided you get a random three cost just to keep things reasonable while still like gesturing at that particular story beat. You know, it's pretty cool. And if If you got her like turn five returns or I guess turn four or later, then she just doesn't. Yeah. That's a good way to balance what kind of seems like a strong ability. Also, I was, I was looking at all the three costs and like, as much as I love a three five, there aren't really that many of them. A lot of, a lot of three threes in there, your frigas and such.
00:56:09
Speaker
So like, you're not really good to get like a random Nikia deal. Yeah. Like, you know, if you get an Ironheart on turn four randomly or, you know, gladiator, like there, there are cool things that could happen, but you're not guaranteed anything spectacular. um like So yeah, that, that was, that was my witch. Very fun. I mean, a witchy enough person in the the words of the the show. I think she's in the coven.
00:56:37
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Yeah, within any three mile, or whatever the radius is, there'll be enough witchy enough people to form a coffin. Witchy enough. Okay.
00:56:50
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a
00:56:53
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i'm I am not going to sing, but here here is my verse, because I too did the extra credit. Sister Fire of our coven, protect us with thy love. Your family cursed of fire, winged demon looms above. With Song as shield, the curse revealed, then it can be killed. When dangers rise, with sacrifice, thy selfless blood will spill. I did Alice Wu, Gulliver.
00:57:23
Speaker
Um, in the comics... Actually, I guess it's Gulliver Wu, isn't it? I don't know. It's Wu Gulliver. In the comics, she goes by The Wu, which I thought was kind of fun. um Yeah, she's kind of cool. She's a detective there and she imbues her weapons with magic in kind of a a secret, oh she's a invisible way.
00:57:43
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yeah she's magic okay so yeah yeah look into this Yeah, so anyway, I have two versions of her that are very similar. One of them feels too strong, but also like more appropriate. So anyway, here's the first one. The woo three, four, when a card would be destroyed here, move it to another location instead.
00:58:06
Speaker
ah That's that's the that's probably the one I'm going with and I think it's cool because you can It's not just defensive like oh my hulk dodged your shong because everybody's playing hulk these days so um But also like what if at the end of the game you venom your lane and send the entire lane somewhere else kind of cool Yeah sorry say one more time Okay, when a card I pulled up the wrong one when a card would be destroyed here move it to another location instead Okay, yeah
00:58:39
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i want I want to make her have to sacrifice herself for that, and you only get it once. Yeah, I really thought of making her a sacrifice, kind of like an angel, but where she takes the hit instead. I thought that that was very appropriate for a protection witch. It would be. I decided instead she should protect the whole lane. No, you wait. I like it. I think you made the right call. The alt version is when a card at another location would be destroyed, move it here instead.
00:59:10
Speaker
but it seems strong. I liked it though, because it kind of ties into the mother's verse about like, if I can't reach you, let my song teach you like if I can't, you know, at another location, I can't reach you. But anyway, um I like her first. Sorry, no, go ahead.
00:59:26
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I should have touched ah another. So one of the main things she does with her magic is imbue her guns with magic. But she also has like an enchanted blade that can rip portals to another to pension. She sounds really badass. Anyway, so that was that was the thought with the movement, right? Like she's protecting people by getting them the f out of there. And she's got us a little life. Okay.
00:59:48
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but mechanically i like the um at first I thought it seemed OP that she would protect the whole lane, but they might kind of achieve their aim anyway if they're getting a big power out of that lane into maybe a different lane, so you kind of have that angle to it. yeah kind of protects the whole lane where where What titles is the Wu in? where Where would I find the Wu if I went to my local library and wanted to acquaint myself with this character who has magic guns um i and a portal sword? I think she's that Strange Academy.
01:00:27
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i She needs to be a vampire survivor's character. Yeah, that like this does honestly sound like the start of a pretty sick vampire survivor's build. Just get some Santa water up in there. Yeah. What's your favorite vampire survivor's weapon? While Lauren's looking it up. I haven't i haven't played in like at least a year, but I was i was a big fan of the King Bible, the garlic. I like the... Yeah, enemies right around you that protect you. and you just I like those too. you like Yeah.
01:01:06
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trin good Yeah, and just making it as big and strong as you can. It's very fun. to I really wish I had a better answer. This website is tough to use. That's okay. It was not a fair question. I was not part of the assignment. You're not supposed to like give me a reading list. Here we go. and i not Scarlet Witch volume three, nine.
01:01:32
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ah Dr. Strange Last Days of Magic volume 1-1 and Scarlet Witch volume 2-7. Those are the only three things that are listed. Pretty niche character they pulled out. But I like and some kid, like it just captures their imagination just seeing them once and when they grow up and write comics, they bring that character back and make them into a whole thing.
01:01:59
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like yeah and She had a fun, something I liked that I learned from the Wiki is her mom had like bright pink hair and she had black hair. But then when her mom died, she woke up and had bright pink hair. And I think that's also when she inherited the magic passed on. And her hair changes colors. She's wearing her back. She's pretty cool. Hopefully they will. Maybe they will now. I, you know, that she got done so dirty. I mean, they all got done so dirty.
01:02:30
Speaker
Uh, yeah. It's not really a happy ending. Yeah. I mean, things worked out okay for, for Jen, but dang.
01:02:40
Speaker
They're witches though, we can come back. Do you know how many times Scarlet Witches died? She just died recently. She just came back. I was just reading that. Well, I mean, like definitely coming back in the MCU because they're, that the word they were told to use was gone. I guess when they were.
01:02:59
Speaker
making this show. So. Yeah, I think it was heavily implied. Yeah, I think it was heavily implied she's coming back. I just want her base variant to like be with like her hand out. So when they like trying to in the animation is like they're shooting something, she just pings it off her hand and the card goes to it and pushes them or something. I don't know. All right. I'm into it. I wonder what the animation is. Let's hear about your witch.
01:03:29
Speaker
Oh, okay. I had Lilia Calderoo, who I did look up because I wasn't, she's one of those that it's like I could have seen in a bit part somewhere. I don't remember all the minor characters that come through, Scarlet Witch and whatever. She's also kind of only been in a handful of things. She's like a witch queen of the Gypsies is like her deal, her title in the comics. But I was thinking for her,
01:03:57
Speaker
um A 1-1 with the ability activate. Destroy this card to see cards from the top of your deck equal to the number of remaining turns.
01:04:12
Speaker
That's really cool. I'm surprised you picked an activate. I'm also- Well, I didn't want you to play her on one. And activate was a way to do that. And it was also the other thing with cards like her, it's like, I like some way for them to be useful at the end of the game. So she would stick around. You don't have to blow her up if you want to Marvel boy her at the end, because she just drew her later, or whatever. So that's kind of was my thinking with the activate. It nerfs it just slightly. So she's playing on a super Howard?
01:04:46
Speaker
Huh? Yeah. But a shuffle could ruin everything. Correct. Yeah. Ooh. And also she has one less card. That's kind of fun. Yeah. Also, I considered I didn't specify how it works. And I wasn't quite sure. I left it with the thought that it would be an order, but it also could be a randomized version. So you would know all the cards you were drawing. Ooh. That would be a way to balance it. I didn't make that clear behind the attempt. That would be very flavorful and very hard to make good. There's still some decks that would like it. wait for an nonre revealal
01:05:24
Speaker
you know like we can could be for There's still decks that would like to know whether or not they're going to draw their key piece. yeah Did you do extra credit? It's okay if you didn't.
01:05:41
Speaker
It is okay if you didn't. I did do extra credit. I did the whole thing today, kind of last minute, um kind of a week. When I was thinking about Lilia and I was thinking about what I wanted the card to be, right? When you think about Lilia, think about how she sacrificed herself at the end. It's such a powerful moment because you're coming to this moment from not that long ago when the witches are shrugging off Alice's death, right?
01:06:10
Speaker
And, and they're just kind of like, yeah, we're all just out for ourselves. Right. And then you see the two of them kind of stuck in this like underground area, the potions, which his name and forgotten yet again. yeah And, um, Lillia and they're talking and I don't think eventually bond to the point where like Lillia sacrifices herself for um the teen and that and and you know potions lady's huge regret was that she wasn't able to help her and save them they kind of realized like they thought they were all for power you know for themselves but at the end i don't know like the power like it
01:06:51
Speaker
Finding their friends in the darkness was a was it was kind of the lesson of Lillia, right? So my verse um was, some seek the road to all that's foul, confusing what is fair. In our darkest hour bereft of power, where can we go from there? We can still be bound, bound, bound to our friends. We're not alone in the nightmare. We may have to go to ground, but we can still plant seedlings there.
01:07:22
Speaker
And that that was my versus where I was at earlier. Oh, it's all helpful and stuff. i i like I like something positive every so often. Yeah, yeah yeah so that's our ending thought. I loved the show. I thought it was fun. Oh, yeah. So good. Great fun. Really, really fun.
01:07:48
Speaker
And the lilliest story is the exact kind of like mechanics I like in a show where they kind of like do a little bit of a puzzle throughout that that gets explained all in one episode. Yeah, it was cool. so Like super cool. Yeah, and I am assigning our new homework. And since I know we are all guesting next week on Joe's podcast,
01:08:13
Speaker
Oh yeah. So we kind of already have like a heavier week, so I wanted to keep it on the lighter and then the easier side. And so our our homework this week is just to come up. So you are you from you know the Marvel What If series?
01:08:32
Speaker
They made the show out of it. It's based on a series of comics that are just like, here's a random premise. Like the last what if comic I think I picked off the shelf was like, what if Daredevil was in feudal Japan as a setting? I'm like, yes, please. I will look at all that art. So come up with your own what if premise, you know, that you think would be fun to see. With an associated card or just a... No, just in general for a character like, okay. Just like, just a cool concept.
01:09:03
Speaker
A character that is in Marvel Snap. Oh, OK. All right. To make it fair. But center on that. But you're all like, you know, what if? And it can be as easy as yes, like set in this, you know, this kind of genre or whatever. um Give us a cool variant. Yeah, we'll keep it. What have an easy one. Yeah, I like this assignment. This is a good assignment. Yeah. OK. With the patch and the OTA. So we'll just have a light wait secret home.
01:09:29
Speaker
Yeah, I'll do light spoilers. This is our third card design week in a row. And we got a really good assignment from a from a listener, but it's also card design. So I was like, let's uh, we'll wait for another week for that. Maybe next week. Um, okay.
01:09:45
Speaker
That is, that's the secret homework. It's time to play a game.
Snapword Game Introduction
01:09:49
Speaker
I'm calling this game Snapword. It's password because we played Zaboo and I learned that Ree and Ben had never played password and password is one of my favorite word games. Taboo's up there too. um the The trick of password is instead of kind of saying like everything except for these five words, it's you only get to say one word. You are picking one word and your teammate has to guess.
01:10:15
Speaker
what you're talking about using only one word. And I just, I think that the thinking behind it, like strategically, why did I pick that word instead of a different word? I think it's really fun. Now, as I was alluding to earlier, it works a lot better with four player. Like I was really struggling to find out a way to make it work three player where the optimal strategy isn't to throw bad guesses sometime. So, you know,
01:10:39
Speaker
to hurt whoever's leading. um And so what we're going to do is I think I think we're going to do co-op, which feels right on a light week. I'm very fine with that. Yeah, I'm not feeling very competitive today. Very much like Zabu. I don't have the eye of the tiger.
01:10:57
Speaker
Good. So we'll try to perform the best we can. um And then you just have fun playing it. ah So I have sent out the website for the Marvel Snap Draftinator. We're just going to pick random Marvel Snap cards. This contains as far as I can tell everything up to the symbiote season, but does not include Frigate and Surtur. At least I never generated them in like 100 generations.
01:11:27
Speaker
um So there's there's a couple ways we could play, but the way that I would like to play is we take turns being the clue giver and to the other two collaborate to give a single shared answer. So you can discuss, which also seemed better for a podcast format. Get a little bit of discussion in there. I'll go first as a demonstration. I'm going to randomize, pull up a card. Okay, all right. um And I'm going to give a single word and try to have you two guess the card I'm talking about.
01:11:56
Speaker
This one might be too easy. i
01:12:01
Speaker
Uh... Beetle. Now you two can discuss and come up with your one shared answer for which card I'm talking about. Sounds like meek to me. Yeah, I agree.
01:12:15
Speaker
Final answer? Or someday. Well, I just want to point out that, yes, there is, in fact, a supervillain called The Beetle. And I'm sure there will be a Marvel Snap card at some point. But but ah are are we are we going meek? Is that the consensus, Rhi? Yes. It's got to be, right? I can't think of anyone else that would fit. Yes, it was meek. You're right. So you did that in only a single guess.
01:12:45
Speaker
Now this is an element that we'll pull out when we get to play four player sometime. But when there are two guessers and you have two teams, there's an element of you decide if you're going first or second on the word. And I think that's incredibly fun. Like, can I get meek in one? Yes, I can. But if it was a harder word, it's like, do I want to try to get it in one or in two? And I'll pass it. Anyway, talking about the future, it won't be relevant right now. ah So yeah We'll go to, we'll just follow a week and snap order. So, Ben, if you want to pull something up in the Draftinator and give Re and I a single word clue and try to get it in as few single word clues as possible. Mmm.
01:13:35
Speaker
Regeneration. I like Apoc. We're scoring.
01:13:48
Speaker
Yeah. Do you have any others? It could be, could be, but I think you would say. We're off. think we're going the wrong way? Regeneration. yeses And then Wolverine or X 23 also regenerate.
01:14:11
Speaker
and yeah In fact, some of these cards might even use the word in their text boxes. Hey, you only get one word clue. Maybe it's Wolverine or X-23. Yeah, I like those two. Yup. Pick one, right? Which of those two? X-23. I don't know how you'd New, but that was indeed the one. Another single rounder. You said in the before you said that. yeah well Wolverine, I think, was the first card to have regenerate there as a word in the text box.
01:15:03
Speaker
Which is, you know, apox it's a flavorful word, like when Baron Zemo recruits and stuff. But yeah, x23 also regenerates, but ah more recent card. Well, you you got it, even though I did cheat. You didn't cheat enough, it's fine. Okay, great.
01:15:25
Speaker
Mine? Okay, i I pulled it up. I guess I should have done it now, because I had extra time to think. But my win-win is Bridge. Heimdall. Yeah. Yeah, that makes me look and get it. So good in one word. Obviously, it's Heimdall. Okay. um Coven. I get that.
01:15:54
Speaker
Yeah. Dang. Are any of these going to take two? How is it already my turn? or Maybe cards are too easy. it's Yeah, it's your turn. Let's get a new one.
01:16:09
Speaker
Immovable. Colossus. That would be my guess. It could also be Blob. Couldn't be Blob anymore. No, but it's not Blob anymore. They took it away. Oh, man. I like, but now we're, it's like, now we look good. Usually we look stupid in case. Usually I'm like, ah. And now we're crushing it. Boom, look at us. All right. Mine is minutes.
01:16:38
Speaker
As in Ms. Minutes, as in Ravona. I think we're talking Ravona Renslayer, right? Only like to say one word. Yeah, Ravona. Mm-hmm. Yes. All right, yeah, I'm thinking maybe this is too easy. Okay, my turn. um Oh.
01:16:57
Speaker
All right, make it a funny word then. Funny word? um Here we go. I put joke in it.
01:17:08
Speaker
Put a joke in a single word? Okay, fine. I'll make a... Alright, I'll make a joke. Um... I... I made it too hard now.
01:17:23
Speaker
Hazy. Shade of Winter by Simon and Garfunkel. Nihilus? I feel like a Nihilus's pictures are all like... Hazy. Mysterio?
01:17:36
Speaker
um Oh, Mysterio, you're right.
Card Names and Attributes
01:17:39
Speaker
That dude is smoking in all of his variants. Okay. Um, yeah, let's go with that. Mysterio. It is not. Okay. My second word, vanilla.
01:17:55
Speaker
I want ice cream so bad. Okay. Um, vanilla and hazy. I don't get it.
01:18:06
Speaker
But they're, none of them seem particularly hazy to me. I'm like running up the list. of I mean, we got Wasp, we got Halloween, we got Shocker. Oh wait! Vanilla might mean that it's one of the vanilla cards, like Wasp or Shocker. Or does any of those also fit hazy?
01:18:25
Speaker
No, that's that's what I was just running through. I'm like, um you ask Pauline, Shocker. I was also trying to think.
Memorable Characters and Gameplay
01:18:32
Speaker
It wasn't listening. Think. Abomination. Hulk. None of these feel very hazy to me. Oh, I just let you know. That makes me swear. You're right. Who did you say besides Wasp and Shocker at the beginning? Colleen, right? What am I doing?
01:18:54
Speaker
I don't know why. I'm like, these people have first and last names. And like, I guess if you just have a name, you're you're all the same woman. I don't know. You have a codename if you want to be memorable. That's the moral of the story. Oh, I'm seeing it is so cool. You know who I can remember? I can remember the woo.
Word Game Rules and Strategies
01:19:20
Speaker
Very memorable. She does look really cool. It's like Silver Sable. It just stands out to my mic. I need to read. Man, I'm sorry. My brain is farting hard today. I stayed up for the bad news. Yeah, I'm also very sleep deprived. It probably makes the game better. I don't know. On to Ben.
01:19:44
Speaker
Okay. um We got it in two. Word up. Service the word. Word salad. Okay. I'm like, eventually I had a good joke.
01:19:57
Speaker
Oh, this word. um Well, can I be boring? Yeah. Oh, geez. It's okay.
01:20:08
Speaker
Just don't use a word that's like in the card's name. Maybe we make it harder by saying don't use one in the card's name. I can't tell us if it's definitely in the character's name. I don't think it appears on the card, but that would be cheating. You obviously can't say something that's in the character's name. Don't say iron.
01:20:29
Speaker
Unstoppable. Oh, the juggernaut. Juggernaut? See, I knew that was gonna be the first guess, but it's not the juggernaut.
The Unstoppable Card and Jeff
01:20:38
Speaker
Okay, all right. So we get a second word. Do I need another word? Yeah. Yeah. Move.
01:20:50
Speaker
I mean, just makes me wanna say colossus again, but... Okay, a move card? That's unstoppable.
01:21:03
Speaker
We even have a guess um you'll feel very silly They think about those two clues a little harder. You'll feel say all right. I promise you know you know this card the unstoppable Stegron And it's a move card Is it a card that says like I am unstoppable ah there There's... The text box... ah The word stop is in the text box. Cannot be stopped! um you You are going to feel very silly. Cannonball. Cannonball. If he can't stop the the move, then he does the destroy. Wait. Stop? I'm gonna do so dumb. Unstoppable. Unstoppable. Cannot be stopped. Uniquely so.
01:21:58
Speaker
This is the only card that is unstoppable. It's Jeff. Yes.
Guessing Games with Clever Clues
01:22:04
Speaker
And you were going to if I had to tell you guys it was Jeff. Remember before we found Kate when we only had Jeff? I was still of Jeff. I was thinking about that sadly. I just don't put him in as many decks. Okay. No. He's the precious. All right. Oh, man. Oh, man.
01:22:26
Speaker
We got it. All right, you guys are gonna get this one. My one word is Loki.
01:22:37
Speaker
The war. I'm being too clever with it. No, I'm being meta. Arisham. Okay. All right. Arisham's good. Okay, we missed on our first guess. What's our second word? Oh no, you got it now. It's Arisham.
01:22:54
Speaker
so We're just going to throw our guesses at it. Sorry. I thought it was clear that we're counting that as two. Loki is an Arish time card now. When you said you were getting better about it, I figured that's what you meant. Loki is now just the sidekick.
01:23:14
Speaker
Okay. Oh, does this does this make it Lauren's turn or my turn? It's my turn. Yeah. Should we do like what, one or two more rounds? I could keep going, I don't know, I feel like the, yeah. I've been doing this, I have another set of three up. Okay, it's fast but proven very easy. Oh yeah, we could just do all three that are up right now, okay. um Fairy. Pixie. Pixie? Yeah. So you guys are getting up to me a little bit. Yeah, and yes, it was Pixie.
01:23:51
Speaker
So we're finishing our slate of three cards if we had done the one on the left. How many more are we doing? I just have three more cards. Three more cards. I'm going to hit refresh, get three fresh cards. You can always hit don't have card if it's a duplicate of what somebody already did. Okay.
01:24:18
Speaker
Discounts.
01:24:22
Speaker
air Sarah or Mobius. Which one of those would you like to choose? I want to discuss this with with Rhi. I feel like discounts plural might be might make it Mobius. Sarah does also give a lot of discounts. No, I see reasoning.
01:24:45
Speaker
I agree with it. I'm fine with Mobius. Yes, will be right that's correct. That's why I picked discounts. Just to... Well done! Heck yeah morning tune but Okay, ah it's me. I'm gonna go with... Bear. Did you say Bear? Bear? Yeah. Like B-E-A-R.
Screaming Characters and Black Bolt
01:25:09
Speaker
Bear. Okay, snow guard. Maybe me.
01:25:12
Speaker
Yeah. Cool. Yeah, I like snow. I was like, oh, my two words are easy. I was wondering if I could get away with Hawk Bear. It's like, no, for real, they exist in imaginary things. But like, no, I was like, we'll just go one at a time. Okay, good job, though.
01:25:31
Speaker
i Scream.
01:25:39
Speaker
scream
01:25:43
Speaker
But it's not screaming. Okay, I know, but it's like... Who's screaming in a car?
01:25:58
Speaker
Stegron? Stegron doesn't scream though. Maybe it's... Well, I was thinking like these must be like scream buddies.
01:26:10
Speaker
Oh, I see. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. I see, I see. Who's the number one scream buddy, though? That's a question, I don't know. That's a good question for you, Ben. I don't even have scream. Well, I only play weird scream decks. I don't know what the cool kids are playing in their scream decks.
01:26:35
Speaker
But Lauren also knows us and wouldn't have picked a thing she didn't think we would know. But also I don't understand. I don't know. My best guess was Stegron.
01:26:49
Speaker
that's That's a good question. I need a consensus. we're sting Okay, let's go with Stegron because that was that was their first guess. No. okay Second word? and Inhuman. Oh, an inhuman.
01:27:07
Speaker
So the Inhumans are like, Crystal is an Inhuman, Medusa. Yeah, Black Bolt, Medusa. Oh, and Black Bolt is screaming. It's got to be Black Bolt. Like, you know, silently screaming. Oh, scream like that guy. He's not allowed to talk because he's so loud. Yeah, it's got to be Black Bolt, right? I think so, right?
01:27:34
Speaker
Yeah. Let's pull the trigger. Black Bolt. As Black Bolt. Maybe Shao or something like that would have been better, but I liked that Scream said- Did you know that he once leveled a city with a mere whisper?
01:27:47
Speaker
I feel like every time I read about Black Bolt or hear about Black Bolt or like run into Black Bolt anywhere, they have to like fold that little trivia nug in there. They're like, no, you could take out a whole city with a whisper.
Strategy and Notable Names in Word Games
01:28:02
Speaker
yeah He nuked the world when he said no one time. I don't know. I have that much power really annoying anyone who actually cares about the character of Black Bolt.
01:28:16
Speaker
But they don't, though. People just want the answers. These are just the things I hear about Black Bolt around. I'm just repeating what I've been told and probably messing up the deets. I'm sorry. I apologize. I know it's not fun to hear people be... Yeah. Apologize to all the Black Bolt stans in our audience. They're out there. People love these characters, you know?
01:28:45
Speaker
Okay, Ben. Oh, gosh. It falls to me. that Okay. Say no. I'm not going to tangent into you. And it's got to be a word. It couldn't be like a name. Not only one word. I've thought about this. You can say Idris, but not Idris Elba. Yes. Ready?
01:29:09
Speaker
Was that ready? Eddie. Yeah, but it was with the... Oh, it's Venom. It's gotta be, right? Eddie Brock for Venom? Uh-huh. Good. Okay, well done. Well done. Okay, mine will be... I hope this isn't too abstract. I'm gonna go with punk. Pump.
01:29:30
Speaker
Punk? Q-N-K. Yeah, I'm sorry. Like Spider Punk, who's not in the game yet. Um... Punk. Well, who's punk rock? Niko's pretty punk. Niko's punk rock. That was the first that came to mind for me as well. um But there are others, surely. Megasonic? Megasonic is very punk rock. I like Megasonic better than Niko, actually. Yeah. You know who else is kind of punk rock? Legion's kind of punk rock.
01:30:00
Speaker
Yeah. Rhee's favorite avatar.
01:30:06
Speaker
Yeah, let's go to Negasonic. No, Bubblegum. Negasonic. Yeah, and Negasonic. She's the most punk card in the game, for sure. Her name is like a punk band, you know? Yes, yes it is. It is. Yes, it's a great name. um Okay.
01:30:31
Speaker
Just thinking of a clue for this. I've had it in front of me for the last three rounds. I should should have been ready, but I'm just not. I'm so proud of myself. Usually I do very poor showing in games. So I'm like, yes. It's freeze time. Oh, that's not true. You've trounced me at multiple games, I think. Okay.
01:30:53
Speaker
ah Immaterial. Shadowcat? Okay, that's a good one. Also, invis woman. Maybe. I guess invisible isn't in the material, you're right. Well, it's a confused besides... I mean, like... I mean, the vision can phase. Nightcrawler kind of poos. But he alters his density to achieve that. correct imate I think Kitty was a good thought if you want to go with Kitty. Yeah, Kitty pride.
01:31:29
Speaker
yeah I've got Kitty Pride and Nightcrawler too. Yeah, well done. Okay. Two more, Ben. Diner. Oh, Deadpool. Deadpool, but it could also be Cassandra Nova. Oh yeah. That's a good point, but it was Deadpool.
01:31:50
Speaker
It's fine, we're tired. It's the end of the game. Ree? Okay. um It's not the movie. Okay. Seven.
01:32:04
Speaker
Seven. And it can't be RSM again. Get it. That's not that hard. RSM is very good. But we already had RSM, so it can't be RSM. Seven. Is there something about seven samurai? And it's ands silver samurai?
01:32:27
Speaker
You know, there there is a film that, um. Mm. Seven.
Abstract Clues and Card Identities
01:32:42
Speaker
Okay. Maybe seven cards in hand.
01:32:53
Speaker
Let's just guess Arsham again. Get a second word. I mean, i I do feel like I need another clue because I'm like, that's right there. ports Portals. portals. I don't know. Oh, blink. Does have, but magic also has portals. A lot of people have, you know, also turn seven. Yep. I think we got magic. yeah That's what I think we got.
01:33:24
Speaker
magic Yeah, you guys are right. I thought you would get it. I was like, oh, because then you start you're like seven cards and I'm like, oh, they're there. They're gonna say seven times. Okay. i I wrote seven as the score. It was two.
01:33:40
Speaker
I don't think we ever went to three. We had um three, four, two, five, two, six.
Game Performance and Community Engagement
01:33:48
Speaker
We had six days. And the rest of them were ones. We did great. Lauren, were you attempting to keep score? It's golf score. It was cooperative. It's fine. We're under par for this game. That's what we want to be, right?
01:34:05
Speaker
That's right. Yeah, it's ah it's golf scoring in this game. We were going for as low as possible. I hope someday to play that with you four player because it's really fun when there's a more competitive element to it. um But maybe the cards are too easy, so we'll have to think about that.
01:34:20
Speaker
um Okay, if you like what you heard today, follow us on Twitter, all the places. ah These things are in the show notes and in the YouTube description. We are in podcast places and on YouTube. um You can send us question suggestions, secret homework ideas, at snaponthespod at gmail dot.com. We are part of the Snap Judgments Network, ah where you can listen to other great shows.
01:34:44
Speaker
like Snap Decisions with Joe, ah the Snap DJ, we will all be guessing sometime next week. um So keep your eyes peeled for that. ah It will be the time for Zaboo round two. So if you liked that game or want to check it out, that's a good reason to go there, but also we're just going to have a good time. um Other shows on the network include How Can She Snap and Snap Judgments. Anyway,
01:35:12
Speaker
ah not prepared to close this thing out. Maybe I'll just use the same one as last time. ah If you want to hear us talk about the new patch next week, which you should, because that's usually a great discussion. ah you know Here's hoping there are data mines. ah Tune in next week. Same snap time, same snap