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Episode 13 - The ADHD Need For Novelty vs Structure
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In the room, Paul and Martin (co-Mayors of ADHDville) are trying to reconcile two opposing forces, the need for novelty and the need for structure in their adult ADHD lives. Martin gets blinky eye hurt and Paul confesses his mug pile. Crack on!
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Accent Acquisition and ADHD
00:00:00
Speaker
all right so i've got two pieces of good news oh one is one is you know we were talking the other the other pod about accents and about how you pick them up and yeah
00:00:17
Speaker
And we were wondering whether that was a part of ADHD or not. So I did look that up because I was interested. And it is. It's a whole part of the of the masking. OK, it was like a zealic example. You know, it's like, yeah, OK. Wow. So there we go. Yeah. And then the second thing I found out
00:00:47
Speaker
was. You know how you were saying that you have, that you can have trouble listening to people when there's like lots of stuff going on. So it turns out that your right ear is the one that can
00:01:12
Speaker
interpret speech better than your left ear because
00:01:21
Speaker
of your brain because the right side of your brain is the one that deals with like speech and stuff. So the right ear is closer. So, okay. So if you really wanted to listen to someone and kind of get what they're saying, they should either be on your right side
00:01:46
Speaker
or straight opposite and then you can kind of like bend your ear, your right ear a little bit. You can kind of cock your ear mate. He says like I need to go back to yoga classes.
00:02:02
Speaker
So there you go. That's interesting.
Language Skills and Gender Differences
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Speaker
That makes sense, though. Apparently, women are much better at languages because they use a much more balanced traffic between the left and right-hand sides of their brains, whereas men are much more one-sided. All right. I think this is all helpful stuff, you see. This is us. It's another pod.
00:02:31
Speaker
Being helpful, we should do a pod. We should do a pod about helpful things. Social services we're basically doing. We should rewrite our description. Right, okay. Well, let's crack on. But joke it apart. Well, not joke it apart. We like. But anyway, that does help. It does help. Isn't that half the thing though? It's like, if you just know, that's what it is.
00:03:01
Speaker
Right. You know, I still get really irritated, but it's like some sort of level of satisfaction in there
Listening Challenges in Noisy Environments
00:03:08
Speaker
in my brain of like, oh, there you go. Yeah, because the other thing probably for you is sound. You're very sensitive to sound. So, yeah. You know, there's good sounds and bad sounds and, you know, they can really. Yeah. I'm also acoustics if like
00:03:27
Speaker
If you're in a massive pizza restaurant and they don't have carpet in Italy at all, that's just not a thing they do here. And if they've not got curtains and it's a low ceiling and the walls are all cement, you get this massive reverberation of 200 plus people eating pizzas loudly. And yeah, acoustics is why brain just goes into
00:03:58
Speaker
Panic mode. That's cool. All right. I'm hitting the intro button. Yeah, I should. Okay.
00:04:26
Speaker
Tapping out a message to you.
Podcast Rebranding and Introduction
00:04:31
Speaker
Yeah, you said Algeezer's talk ADHD, which is obviously the old name of the podcast. Oh yeah, yeah. It's the old name, we changed it. We changed it to ADHDville, because it had a certain logic to it.
00:04:48
Speaker
Anyway, hi, I'm Paul Thompson. I was recently diagnosed after 56 years with ADHD after not being diagnosed for 56 years. And three years ago, also being diagnosed as being 36% Danish. So a few Danish people out there.
00:05:15
Speaker
which is... Flawless. That was what that was. Flawless. Which is ADHD in Danish. Flawless. You know, you could tell I've got the chains. Absolutely flawless. Flawless, yeah.
00:05:33
Speaker
I like the way they've dedicated this ridiculously long word to attention. Yeah, it's about 50 characters long. Yeah, and the thing else is disorder.
00:05:49
Speaker
You know, it was all about anyway. And I'm Marty West and I was diagnosed with ADHD by an American using American words within an American accent. Yeah. Very much so.
00:06:08
Speaker
So yeah, we're just two mates, who by coincidence or not, after 39 years of friendship, discovered that we're co-ADHD-ers. Gaspers. Shock horror probe. Yeah, who would have said it?
Life Post-ADHD Diagnosis
00:06:27
Speaker
Who would have known?
00:06:28
Speaker
Now it's really important to say that this is an entertainment podcast about ADHD and does not substitute, no, no, no, for individualized advice about qualified, no, let's do that again, does not substitute for individualized advice for qualified health professionals. So don't take in any advice from us, we're just here as a kind of all-inclusive ADHD park bench or
00:06:54
Speaker
as I like to think of it, on a pulp bench with polka dot onesies, a clay pipe and quality rolling tobacco.
00:07:04
Speaker
I don't smoke but I love the idea of smoking a pipe if there wasn't any like cancer dangers anyway okay still here then grab your thermos flask and let's take you to ADHDville an imaginary town that we've created in our minds where we like to explore different parts of ADHD
00:07:26
Speaker
That's right. And we start off as always in the town hall in the mayor's office where we, the joint mayors of ADHDville, take care of business. So on the list of meeting items, the first one is always, how was your week? Good, bad or ugly?
00:07:52
Speaker
Yeah, go towards Ugly. I had to write this down, Ugly Week. I was diagnosed, if you haven't listened to one of our podcasts up to now, I was diagnosed six weeks ago, seven, whatever.
00:08:11
Speaker
And it's like the first bit was like relief, you know and like And then it's like oh shiny new toy, you know, which is great for ADHD. It's like dopamine here shiny new toy. Mm-hmm. Then you get like
00:08:26
Speaker
at least I did, overwhelmed of like level of, overwhelming sense of level of reflection. And like, oh man, it just got like, oh, oh, you know, it's like carrying around like swimming in treacle.
00:08:42
Speaker
you know then it's like now it just feels a bit devastating like you need to reflect on oh my god you know so much crap in the past you know just so much of it
00:09:00
Speaker
And I'm like, and for my poor girlfriend, I'm really, I've been really distracted by it massively. Imagine that, distracted, like already ADHD, problems with distraction. Then you find out you've been diagnosed with ADHD and it's like all consuming, it's like, holy crap.
00:09:28
Speaker
yeah holy him and wow yeah yeah you have to kind of put some sort of like uh listen to yourself and try and limit how much you you put because it is a it is a burden on someone else
00:09:49
Speaker
Yeah, but it is effort. It requires effort. It's work. So what I'm looking for has its weight as a weight for someone else. So you have to kind of like you have to put some guardrails on it. Otherwise it.
00:10:02
Speaker
I like that. The picture that came to my head was like, you remember those like siphons that you use to like, I don't know, if you're like siphoning something from a can into a small hole, you know, you'd lose those siphon, plastic siphon. It's like trying to like,
00:10:28
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push it in. It's like, just push it all into this little hole and you can't, you know. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, how about you Martina? How's yours? My week has been, has been okay.
00:10:44
Speaker
Nothing has gone disastrously wrong. I owe the tax man a piece of information. And I've been, he asked me for that about four or five days, days ago. So I've got to. Right. So I've I've got to do something about that. And that's starting to slide away. No, I need to wait. Wait another four days. No. Exactly. I know. Because there's a point where you run out of
00:11:10
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of the, I don't know, the enthusiasm juice for something and then it sort of slides away and then you start to feel bad about it and then that makes it worse.
Podcast Logistics and Technical Insights
00:11:19
Speaker
So I'm going to rescue that situation. But other than that, it's not been too bad. Not been too bad. That's good. That's good. All right. Second item on our list is for me to tell you to please subscribe to the pod.
00:11:37
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00:11:48
Speaker
Well, isn't that, that was really funny on the, uh, was it on, um, we're Chatterbix, which is a great podcast. Shouldn't advertise other podcasts on our own podcast right now to give a damn. Um, cause it's really cool. Chatterbix, they said the worst thing they get, the worst food bit that they get is like, they were kind of indifferent to it. Like, Oh, much farther. They were like, really hated it. You know,
00:12:13
Speaker
Right. Yeah. If you hate it, tell us. And just a reminder that the podcast drops every Tuesday on all your favorite podcast platforms. Plus, you can look at our beautiful, beautiful faces on the YouTubes. Yeah. Full Dolby sound and what's not.
00:12:40
Speaker
Maybe put some nice headphones on, you know, get the full effect. Yeah, it'll be like you're in the mayor's office with us. Just pull up an armchair, pour yourself a whiskey. Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. By the way, people might think, oh, why do you guys, you know, wear headphones?
00:13:02
Speaker
And when you could like could just like not, you know, for me, I think you see, you think it helps me like focus. Right. Right. Because otherwise the mic picks up your the other person's voice. So when you speak, I would have to hear on speakers and that goes into the microphone and then you end up with, yeah, with feedback or just bad or blind quality.
00:13:32
Speaker
Oh right, okay, there you go. So there is a technical reason why everyone always has earbuds or whatever. Unless you're in the same room. All right, so the next one... I've got an email from Betty in finance.
00:13:52
Speaker
I thought I thought it was Barbara in finance. Okay, Betty and Barbara. All right. Abs to our friends. All right. Betty and Babs. Apparently, you've been putting onesies through the business, claiming that they're tax deductible. That's what she said.
00:14:13
Speaker
Well, you know, well, because what you don't want to do is do this podcast cold or cold, right? Or you don't want to be a mayor and walk around this wonderful town of ours of ADHDville and be cold, right? Because then you can't really do your job properly. So I thought, you know what, let's get some ones is it'll raise our productivity. Right.
00:14:39
Speaker
We can walk around the streets longer and talk to people and find out what their problems. So, you know, I'm just saying that and the taxi cab, they're all, you know, they're all helping, right? They're all mayoral duties.
00:14:57
Speaker
Okay, I'll write back to a straight after the pod. I'll write back to a you know, you know in all in up all in capitals and exclamation marks. Just clear that check for God's sake. I'm also fine just getting older. My circulation isn't as good as it used to be. So I get cold feet and cold hands quite quickly.
00:15:17
Speaker
Maybe just like throwing that in there. All right, so the next item on the age end is homework from the previous episode. Now, just to remind ourselves, you have the homework of
00:15:38
Speaker
going around as you're going around from room to room picking just move picking things up and just taking them with you. And then I had the homework of I had to blink objects to remember where I put them. All right. So that's where we are. All right. So after a week, how did you get on?
00:16:05
Speaker
I won't, but if I wanted to, I could change the angle of the camera. I'm looking to my right as we're talking about it. It's a bit embarrassing actually. There's four mugs.
00:16:23
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On the window shelf, all with like the tab of the teabags hanging out, a plate, a scarf, a wooden clothes peg, all things that didn't take wherever they damn well belong.
00:16:41
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All right. Accumulated. I guess, I guess you can either choose and that's fine, right? Because of all these tactics, like, you know, some work, some, some, some, some don't. So you can either decide, no, that isn't going to work or you can give it another go for a week. So that's. Oh, so do you want to stick or pass?
00:17:12
Speaker
I'll stick, I'll stick. Thanks mate, that's a really kind of use for a charity ball of you. Oh for God's sake, you know, Jesus. All right, so that's all right, so you're gonna stick. All right, so on my one I had
00:17:27
Speaker
uh your thing was if you want to remember where something is you you blink your eyes rapidly right so i i started to like put my car keys in places that i would never put my car keys oh right and then blink at them right yeah and then i'd walk away
00:17:48
Speaker
And then I'd see if I remembered where my car keys were and I did. Right. So it worked.
00:18:00
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Did it? Really? Yeah. In as far as I remembered, I did the blinky thing until my eyes hurt because you could only do it for a couple seconds. Because then your mind starts to melt and it's quite painful. Oh my God, Martyn's really lost it now.
00:18:21
Speaker
He's having a seizure. So that was so it worked. It worked. OK. OK. So although obviously with the the the problem, obviously, is sits in the time balancing of which you have to remember. To blink, right? Oh, so.
00:18:46
Speaker
But, you know, I am going to give it I'm I'm going to also stick with it for a week and see if I can see where else I could use this blinking thing. Right. OK, I'm going to do I'm going to do my home for another week. And then the week after that, I'm going to do blinking, the blinking. All right. Blinking. Blinking team.
00:19:10
Speaker
All right, cool. There we go. Well, that was entertaining. That was a hit and a myth. That was a 50%er. That was a solid ADHD C plus. All right.
Routine, Novelty, and ADHD
00:19:28
Speaker
Let's not go back to C pluses.
00:19:31
Speaker
I know. Where are you taking us today? Cooling out. Well, Martin, I'm going to take you to, I'm going to take you down to the supermarket. Down to the supermarket, the queue. The queue of the supermarket. Because, yeah. Or the line, if you're American.
00:19:56
Speaker
of the line and we're going to talk about a grave routine and structure but hated too so supermarket for me came to mind because yeah routine oh makes my buttocks clench at times because you have to eat right yeah got away all right all right well let's let's get in our tax deductible mares car and uh make our way over to the supermarket and the ones
00:20:33
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It's a happy place, new music.
00:20:39
Speaker
Yeah, well, every location has its own music. Okay, yeah. Fades to some interactive, stimulating chat from Martin and Paul. Hello. Hi. So, hi. Are you going to kick us off on this or what are we going to do? I don't know. We never actually swap notes on what we're going to talk about, which is actually part of the fun. All right. Okay. Well, I will.
00:21:08
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uh I will get going then uh off the off the top of my head somewhat which you know so
00:21:17
Speaker
know that part of ADHD is you crave novelty and difference and you can get bored easily so which is in complete opposition to routine and structure which is like you know you do one thing then you do the next and you do the next and then you can
00:21:41
Speaker
So they're kind of both helpful the both, you know, it's just that it's almost like these two opposite worlds right exactly I think right for me at least routine.
00:21:54
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is the only way that I managed to look like a normal human being half the time is because I've got a structure. So, you know, a routine of things. So, you know, I go and feed Eddie, then I go walk him, then I go back and I go and make some tea, and then I clear up. So I clear up the kitchen. If it hasn't been cleaned from the night before,
00:22:24
Speaker
I will clean up in the morning while I wait for the kettle. So, you know, I've got all this routine stuff going well, but.
00:22:34
Speaker
it can get really boring, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The picture came to mind was like two gladiators. On one side you've got like in the arena, like one side you've got structure and the other one side you've got routine. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, ooh, bashing each other, trying to get each other to like conform to like some kind of normality.
00:23:05
Speaker
Right. Sorry, Paul, are you having like a sound issue problem?
00:23:22
Speaker
There we go. All right. We're back in the room. Yeah. I've got, um, I've got here cause we've talked a little bit about routine cause you talked about routine in your school life and how it like, like when you didn't have the routine after school, like, well, when you went, when you went to sixth form, you had like less structure. Yeah. Which is six from what was would be.
00:23:51
Speaker
Oh, you know what? I've never quite worked out how the the age thing works. So I think it's I don't know. But yes, after high school, we like to do it like a year extra or two for doing like a slightly higher grade, graded right exams. Yeah. Yeah, so there are then
00:24:19
Speaker
Then the first thing that came to mind was my commute to London. Because on one hand, I used to really like it and I needed it. And in terms of routine, it was hardcore. We worked together for what? In London, we worked together for like three or four years.
00:24:36
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Yeah. And it's like, that's hardcore routine, you know? And I remember I used to switch it about a bit or somebody used to walk to work, even if it was like 40 minute walk from London bridge to the office, or they know, like, they know past like six months getting the bus, then it would like be the Metro.
00:24:58
Speaker
then I like highly pigeon and it would tow me to the agency or, you know, whatever, you know, I realized I wasn't, I wasn't conscious of changing it for a reason because I was, you know, I was getting bored with the routine. I would just do it.
00:25:15
Speaker
right yeah because you're just like you know what i fancy going to work on a pigeon not only that but i want to be towed i want to be towed by a pigeon today yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah throwing up bits of string up up in the air with a little bit of with a little bread crumb on the end of it
00:25:38
Speaker
Right. Yeah. So it became important to us. And they, but I think it just like, then after like, for my cycle was always like after four years of any job, I would just start to start rattling my cage and, uh, you know, changing from the Metro to the bus to walking to the pigeon wasn't doing it anymore. It wasn't good enough. Yeah. Right. But I had no idea at that point that routine was actually important, you know,
00:26:07
Speaker
or structure. It was important. I had no idea. God, I need it. I need it. I don't like it often, but it makes my world a lot more manageable. And then you just need
00:26:34
Speaker
you will still need an outlet to do fun, crazy stuff, right? Because as much as structure gives you stability, and that's a good thing, but it also makes your brain bored. So it needs its outlet.
00:27:01
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Yeah, but then, yeah, go on. I have to say I really like your kind of like, I have to go from A to B my house to the office. And I'm gonna try different ways to get there. Right? Yeah, that's like, it's like changing it up.
00:27:23
Speaker
Yeah, there was one time where there was there was an agency that I really didn't like working at. I really there were just nasty people. And one day I was like, I used to get that by I used to go from commute from from where was it? I used to live, Martin. That place in North London. Yeah, you did used to come visit me, mate.
00:27:49
Speaker
Gates, no, North, the... Gates is down, no. It's a village kind of placey place. Anyway, like Hampstead Heath area, and it's a commute all the way down to South West London, Wimbledon, and I hated this place so much that I realised at some point I was getting on at the back of the tube train because it gave me more time before actually arriving at the agency. Anyway, it's like, yeah.
00:28:17
Speaker
Yeah, here's my worst commute that I did for a bunch of years, which was a car to the train station and a train to Grand Central. Then I got out, got on one subway line that I changed to get into a different subway line.
00:28:40
Speaker
I then arrived at like Port Authority, I think it was, whatever. And then I would get on another train that would take me to New Jersey. Then I would wait for a bus that would then take me to the office. And then I'd do the whole thing in reverse. Right. But that's New York, right?
00:29:03
Speaker
That's New York to New Jersey, yeah. So that's New York. So in the meantime, like with London, tons of stimulation in the meantime. You weren't lacking in visual stimulation. So Alicia had that. That was maybe a dopamine hit of some description. I just remembered that place where I used to live. They used to come and visit me. Crouch End.
00:29:30
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Crowd change, there you
00:29:37
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, greasy spoon. So then, so when I found out, I found out that I needed structure not so long ago, because then, because what happened?
Impact of Lockdown on Structure
00:29:50
Speaker
I, I've, I've worked a lot from home. So, but at least when you're working from home, you don't have the commute, whatever, but at least the sun structure, you know, you have to like tone up the work as it were, you know, and you have to be on it. You've got deadlines to hit.
00:29:58
Speaker
go. Oh yeah, it's a bit of some fun there.
00:30:03
Speaker
um phone calls to my emails to do this this structure even though well you pretty much can control it and whatever then what happened was lockdown and i was all over the place oh yeah after the lockdown all over the place you were just in one place in your in in your apartment
00:30:32
Speaker
Yeah. Meaning, in that sense. That was a joke. It was a joke, Paul. You're saying you're all over the place. Oh, OK. You were just in one place. You were locked in.
00:30:48
Speaker
The penny dropped after a while. I'm starting to think that English has become your second language. Yeah, exactly. The dime dropped. The penny dropped. The chintesimi dropped. Any food. Speechy. Speechy dropped.
00:31:08
Speaker
Anywho, back, back, back, back to you in the studio. Yeah. Back to you in the studio. So yeah, chaos. And I was like, Oh, what's going on here? It took me two years, three, maybe to work it out. I was all for the place in a relationship, in and out of, in and out of relationships. Um,
00:31:34
Speaker
Yeah, thinking in the meantime, I was like, oh, this is not as bad. Everyone was saying, oh, this is really difficult. And I was like kind of arrogantly thinking, no, I'm fine. I'm fine. I was I was I was. Yeah. Yeah, isn't it? Right. Because for me, at least when think change is difficult. Right. So when you when you do have a routine and a structure,
00:32:04
Speaker
And that's working for you. That's cool. But then something happens as it always does. And then there's this transition to something else. This is why I think ADHD people have trouble with transitions, is you've now got to set up something else. And you don't even know that half the time. You don't even know.
00:32:29
Speaker
you just think, oh, it'll be fine. This is time, time, time blindness, right? It'll be fine. No, I don't have to worry. It's just going to be me in the apartment and I'm going to order stuff on Amazon and I'm going to I'm not going to wash my egg, my egg carton down or whatever craziness was going on at that time. Yeah. And and you don't think
00:32:55
Speaker
what structures do I need to put in place of the structure that I had, right? You just like floating around in a void and you're lying to yourself, ADHD lying to yourself, it'll be fine. And it's not until down the line that you look back and going, hmm, I was adrift mate. Adrift. That's a great word. Lovely word. Adrift. It sounds like a nice album title that I may have to steal.
00:33:25
Speaker
I'm going to write that down on a piece of paper that I will no doubt throw away. We can't do a group name from it. The drift has already happened in the 60s. So we can still do a one-man band. Well, I could kind of see you doing a one-man band thing. That'd be cool. I am a one-man band thing.
00:33:50
Speaker
Oh, you got it. Yeah, yeah. A bit like Andrew Bird. Do you know? Yeah. Do you know Andrew Bird? No. He does one man band things. Great. Canadian chap. Very good. All right. Yeah. Okay. Adrift. So after the whole lockdown thing, you realized that you had no real anchors
00:34:17
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and you were just like floating around. Well, I even adrift to Palermo in that time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I drifted from, I drifted between different relationships in Palermo. Then I kind of like, oh, what the hell's this drifting thing? So I drifted off to a Palermo-based psychologist. I drifted out of that quite quickly because it wasn't really happening for me.
00:34:47
Speaker
I thought I have to work this out by myself. Yeah. Drifting, drifting. All right, so. Right, because I've got less work coming up, it's going to be a little bit of a work drought. I mean, there'll be stuff to to do and the phone has started to ring.
00:35:07
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which is kind of quite good. But that's good. But yeah, you know, that's something that my my wife was was like, Martin, you know, you you have this structure every day of getting getting on a nine 30 call and this, that and the other. So what are you going to replace that structure with? So then
00:35:31
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that's what I'm doing is like trying to find things that I can do on a regular basis that give structure to my day. Yeah, I'm not good at doing that, you see, even if I try to do it. Yeah, and I'm looking for looking for work at the moment, as you as kind as you are, and might be going into teaching, so I'd be cool. You know, that'd be serious, that'd be like structure.
00:35:57
Speaker
I'd be like 300 students per day relying on me being structured. So that's an incentive, you know. I know, right. And then you have to set, I don't know, you have to set course, coursework. You have to, you have to set out, right. So you have to set out your year or something. I don't know. Yeah. I won't have homework. That'd be cool. I don't have to mark homework.
00:36:25
Speaker
Oh, do you remember how some of our work was judged when we were at art college together?
Art Critiques and Creative Resilience
00:36:33
Speaker
I can remember Ben. So we'd spent a class doing some work and then we put it all up on the wall and then Ben came in and any bit of work he didn't like, he threw it out the window. Simon.
00:36:52
Speaker
The man, Simon, Simon, he did a Kanger Chunks packaging for dog food. Oh, yes, Simon. Oh, that's right. So we were doing a design. You're right. So we had to design some packaging, right? And it was up to us to do whatever we wanted. And then one of our friends, students, designed something called Kanger Chunks.
00:37:18
Speaker
which sounds genius to me because we remember it like 30, 40 days later. Right, there you go. There's marketing gold right there. Man, I just wanna Google Kanga Chunks. So did you ever get stuff thrown out the window? No, I wasn't. I remember Simon Kanga Chunks getting thrown.
00:37:51
Speaker
Yeah. So what, so what was the, the, um, thread on that, on, on the, uh, having your work, um, critiqued. I can see Kanga. Sorry, I'm just on the images, images for Kanga chunks. And no, it's still open. It's still available. Uh, in, in, in, investing Kanga.com despite that dominion.
00:38:20
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Yeah, hang on. See, now I've gone down this ADHD
00:38:27
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whole and now I've forgotten where the hell, how I even got here. Yeah, could you, well, the theme today, Martin, hello, is high, is leading structure but hating it, structure routine but hating it. So you said, oh, so yeah, you said, I remember when we were at our college doing the graphic design course with Ben Manship, he'd have a critique
00:38:57
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Yeah, I've no idea why I'm there, why I was talking about that. Anyway, I am. Yeah. Anyway, I am going to however use this as a jumping off point to say that even like structuring conversations, right, you can tell an ad, having a conversation with someone with ADHD is like you just go off. Right. So the structure of the story that they're trying to tell
00:39:27
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will often be convoluted and messy and lack structure in of itself.
00:39:38
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Yeah, it's the reason why whenever I presented in London to like, corporations, like sometimes like big projects, you know, stuff, you know, you've worked like your ass off is, you know, Martin, you work your ass off for three or four weeks, whatever, and you present, I would never take on like the person actually was like, structured the meeting ever, couldn't do it.
00:40:05
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however much I tried, I'd always lose it. I could never retain a structure in my mind. And even writing a podcast when I write things down, I find it really difficult to make some sense of how you'd lead into it, what it would follow. And then I'd usually shuffle things around the last minute, try and make sense of it. So otherwise, yeah.
00:40:33
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Yeah. Sorry, I drifted then. I know. Try and herd the cats back on the topic. Yeah. Herding crocs. Herding crocs. Structure is good.
00:40:54
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Yeah, it's good. You should always try and make as much of it as you can. But also know that there are 20 ways to do something sometimes, right? So it's good to change things up. It's like I met this guy. I knew this guy and I used to bump into him when he walked his dog.
00:41:24
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And he would always take his dog on the same route each time. And I would always take my dog on a different route each time. Like, it was never the same. I would find different combinations and, you know, I'd go down this road, that road, and I would vary it as much as whereas he was like, no, no, I turn left here, turn right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:41:52
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So we both have the structure, the structure of having to walk the dog, but with a variation to kind of keep things a bit more spicy. Okay, there you go. Yes, like as I did, my pigeons.
00:42:10
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Exactly. I think we've cracked it, mate. I think we've cracked it. We've cracked it. Finding variations in the, yeah. Find structure and then find variations in it just to keep things ticking long. I'm doing a shit job at structure at the moment, I have to say.
00:42:32
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Um, as I said at the top, I'm a bit kind of, um, bamboozled, uh, by, by the, my diagnosis of six, seven weeks ago, it's still box fresh. And instead of shiny toy, it is still like, oh, it's like consuming. Um, but yeah, I need to get out of it. I need to, as you said, Martin, kind of really nicely, you'd be really good on this podcast, mate, with some really nice anecdotes, drifting and, and the guard rails. I need to put some guard rails up.
00:43:05
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Yeah. You know what? Right. Because I was saying the other week that I don't have a great history of brushing my teeth. And I've discovered this new thing where I said, every time I'm in the bathroom, the guardrail is or the habit is, I then have to brush my teeth. Right. Even if I've already done that twice that day. But that's what I'm going to do. Yeah. And I've still stuck to it. So that's
00:43:34
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So, that's cool. That's good. That's good. Right. I've got to find my thing, because that doesn't work for me. It works different, don't they? No. So I've got to find my thing. I've got to find it. But it's only doors. It's box fresh. It's like a whole new pool. Right. It's a whole new pool. All right. I think we can.
00:43:59
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Maybe park that for a bit. We can get back in the mayor's car and we can make our way to the post office. Yes, yes. Don't mind if I do. All right. There's no theme music to the post office because
00:44:24
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00:44:55
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00:45:26
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