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Whiplash (2014)
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Keep up with our tempo and join us along with our BRAND NEW co-host Ashlee! Hopefully the pod becomes a little more Hazardous with her arrival as we discuss Whiplash (2014)...
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Introduction of Ashley to the Podcast
00:00:26
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A bit of time in between episodes here.
00:00:30
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But, uh, before we get ready to go on our feature presentation today, we got to mention something big. We just gained a, another wonderful person to the team in hazardous opinions. And that would be someone that's been mentioned on the pod before by myself is my good friend, Ashley has joined us. Hi, Ashley. How are you doing? I'm good. Glad to be here.
00:00:57
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Well, I'm glad to have you and yeah, no, it's going to be exciting and, you know, some changes coming, but we'll roll with it.
Discussion on 'Whiplash' (2014)
00:01:05
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Uh, today we're covering whiplash from 2014. And yeah, you know, I can't wait to get into this one. Yeah. Good, good year. Uh, directed by Damien Chazelle, who does all the good jazz, jazz, what do you call it? Movies as well as. Yeah.
00:01:27
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very long concerts, two-hour concerts, starring Miles Teller and J.K. Simmons. And this one's on Prime Video. It was on Netflix, and now it's gone. So watch on Prime Video. But yeah, for those of you who haven't watched this in a while, it's 10-year anniversary coming up here. It stars Miles Teller as our protagonist, Andrew Neiman. And then we have J.K. Simmons as Fletcher.
00:01:51
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Terrence Fletcher, who is a composer for a jazz band at a very infamous music school. And Andrew Neiman is a great drummer who gets noticed by Fletcher and soon gets inducted into his band. Fletcher's a bit of a hard ass who wants to make the next Charlie Parker. And Neiman pushes himself a little too far in pursuit of that perfection. And you get this very wonderful anxiety-filled movie.
00:02:20
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What do you guys give this movie a 10? Ashley, you go ahead. Ladies first. I have a hazardous one. It's perfect with the title. There we go. I'm going to go 5.6 out of 10. Oh, Andy, are you OK? That's pretty low. It's low. A little closer, I'm sorry. But the point is six comes from, I love JK Simmons and Miles Teller.
00:02:50
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Okay, so like that's what bumped it up like over the five pump. Okay. Okay. Is there one big reason why it's that low or are we going to get into that later? We can get into it later, but I've just never been a huge jazz fan for the most part.
00:03:10
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She hurt me too, Andy. Yeah. I knew I was going to be hurting some feelings. I was preparing myself for that, but can't wait to get to those points in my notes later. Good. Can't wait. You brought a good addition on. Now we're actually getting hazardous. Yeah. I think people are going to appreciate that the episodes actually match.
00:03:32
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Yeah. That's the good, that's the good part guys with Ashley joining us, we're rolling something new. We're going. So yeah. What about you? I hope a little bit better than that. Oh yeah. So I think in comparison, yeah, mine will be a jump from yours, not like down, but up. Good. So I'm going to come in swoop in and be a little more positive here. I would give this probably.
00:04:02
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9.5. Wow. I know. Um, I couldn't believe it when I told myself last night after watching the movie, I was like, okay, I'm going to get ready for when Andy asks me on the episode. Like, you know, what's my rating going to be? I was like, God, I think he just recommended for the episode. And I mean, you recommended this to me even before you put it on the schedule. Like, I'm so glad you gave me another favorite of mine.
00:04:32
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Honestly, yeah, it blew me away. Well, glad you liked it. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Um, and I'm sure you're kind of in the same vein there. What's your rating here? Yeah.
00:04:45
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I've seen this like three or four times now and every time I'm like, it's hard for me to put on this movie just because knowing what, even knowing what happens, I'm still filled with absolute anxiety watching this, but still like an 8.8. It's, it's a really good movie. I'm not the biggest jazz fan, but I really love Miles Taylor. I love JK Simmons and just the relationship between them in this movie is what makes this a standout.
00:05:12
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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's really good. Okay. Dang. I do really love those two and together. And I love JK Simmons, but I always see him as Juno's dad. Yeah. Okay. That's out of all of his roles. That's the one I love Juno. Yeah. I can see that because you're not a huge superhero fan, but like it's not Jay Jonah to like a Spider-Man fan. Like Jay Jonah's Jameson. That's, that's all you see him as. Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:42
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Yeah, and he's perfect for the role. They brought him back for the MCU and he popped up in the new Spider-Man. I love that he wasn't like a, he's like six years old, but I'll tell Bilt he was and he wore all black. He was. Like he's just seemed like. He's jacked at this. Yeah. I put in my notes like the wearing all black, like he looks like like in a personation of death. Yeah, he does. So like I really, I really liked his outfits and stuff. And I do love Miles Teller a lot.
00:06:09
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He's such a baby face in this. He is. Even though he's like 26, 19 year old. I think he's a little older than us. Yeah. I think just a little older than us. Yeah. He's got to be Shailene Woodley's age, I want to say. Yeah, I would say around that. They're like their buddies and yeah, they hang out all the time, but I'm pretty sure they're the same age. 87. So he's 10 years older than us.
00:06:37
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Yeah, he looks young. Yeah, he does look very young. He's going to be like Paul Rudd when he's 50. Lucky.
00:06:46
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Yeah. Dang. Yeah. Just like the fountain of
Character Analysis and Themes in 'Whiplash'
00:06:48
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youth. They just took a bath in it or something. Yeah. Because he he actually looks 19 in this movie. He really does. He does. He does. He looks like he's fresh into college. Yeah. Honestly. So like he was good for the part. And yeah. J.K. Simmons. I almost said J. Jonah James. That's all I assume. But now that you bring up Juno 2, realize that you only gave this a point six more with
00:07:12
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that team, like you couldn't give it like one whole point. I could probably do a six. I can go up a six. I don't want to negotiate with you. Like if, if you want your rating to be there, it'll be there. Yeah, I'm sticking with it. Let's do 5.7. Let's do 5.7. Okay. You could have a six. Should I took it? God damn it. Yep. I offered. Yeah. No. Hey, I mean, okay. Overall, even though Ashley's is negative, there's still pretty
00:07:44
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her explanation was, yeah, I mean, I'm gonna wait for the points until I come up with
00:07:53
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I'm just kidding. It is your opinion. Well I, well going into it I love drums and drumming and music. Oh yeah. So I wasn't expecting the jazz because even in like when I was in school and stuff like middle school and high school I was never big in band like I was in like in art classes and stuff like I just couldn't get into like that band aspect of it. Okay. So but I did love how fast paced it was it reminded me of the Bear
00:08:20
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Like anxiety inducing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just heart pounding and like, yes. So that did keep me very intrigued. And yeah, I did like how, um, Oh, what, what's Jacobson's name? Fletcher Fletcher. I was going to say Fincher. Um, I did like how he kind of made Andrew.
00:08:45
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Like he was like kind of like a villain and he kind of turned him into a villain a little bit towards the end there. I did like that. And I did love the colors. I did love the color story of the movie.
00:09:00
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But yeah, there's just some points. So you like the cinematography? Oh yeah, big time. Well, that's always a big thing for me. That is a huge point on mine, because that's also a big aspect in film that I get for it. It kind of reminded me of neo-noir-ish with the colors. Oh, kind of with the dimish yellow. Maybe not neo-noir. Shadows and black. Yeah, maybe more like what saw is. It kind of had like saw colors, or like the collective colors. At points it did. Yeah, it kind of
00:09:31
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It's very like the studio set colors. It's very dark, makes you feel like a small room, a little bit of yellow. Also probably the more anxiety inducing trying to do that. Don't let in the light. Yeah. Very true. Yeah. Because like, I mean, the ramp.
00:09:48
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want to kind of look at it in the actual lens, it is kind of dark. Yeah. Yeah. Like where it got to. So like, yeah, with cinematography, there we go. They were probably thinking of that because Damien Chazelle also, I don't, I can't remember if it was the same cinematographer on Whiplash as it was for La La Land. But that cinematography for La La Land and how Damien Chazelle shot that. And this one. Yeah, just the tone of it. I love Chazelle's like
00:10:18
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feel and tone in the cinematographer. I got to look at it, but like, yeah. And this is my first movie of his that I watched. So I don't have any point of reference, but I've been meaning to watch all and I know that I probably will like that one, but it's more jazz. Yeah. And I love Emma and Ryan. So you better. Yeah. Yeah. I love them. So I will get that one to watch him. Crazy stupid love. Oh man. I love them teaming up in that one. You haven't seen that one. No, I will.
00:10:47
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But I did love how it opened up in a movie theater. It's opening scene is in a movie theater. We'll fight off on table. Okay. You should watch. Yeah, I will. I will. I will. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. Very good team. But yeah, anyways, before we get to drill down to whiplash, I also like with it opening with the drums when it's black and the whiplash title card comes up and it's like just a slow crescendo.
00:11:21
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feel of it and gets us ready for what's coming I like that crescendo because I mean the movie's not a crescendo really kind of like you know
00:11:31
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spurts up in the middle, then it kind of comes back down and spurts up at the end, you know? Yeah, I was gonna say it's almost like just the music. Two crescendos next to each other or something like that, yeah. His drum solos, they get super intense in there, but I think, especially between Fletcher and Nieman's relationship throughout this too, I think it's like,
00:11:52
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It's the exact same all the way through. Usually like have an arc of them changing and growing, but I feel like they ended in the exact same place, at least to me. I noticed this right away when Fletcher and Neiman were like just talking when he walks into the room and he's starting to watch him drum for the first time. And.
00:12:14
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Then he kind of talks to him. He invites him to be in the practice the next day. And all of a sudden Neiman gets this huge confidence boost. He goes and asks Nicole out to, uh, to pizza and they start having that relationship. And then I did love that. I did love that. She was super cute. I'll mark that off my notes now. Like since you brought it up, like it's in the beginning, like I love in any movie where a movie can get one of those, like.
00:12:44
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Asking out on a date moments, right? Yeah. Like actually like. It was very like awkward teen dating. It was realistic. I like when it's realistic as well as like kind of the fictional ones. If you do it, not too cheesy, you know, just in a nice way, because when we watch movies, we kind of want to escape from real life and kind of not be like, Oh, it needs to be this, this, this. No, I kind of want to get away from it.
00:13:10
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in a movie. So yeah, that isn't one of my notes too. I love that she got asked out in the movie theater and for pizza to my favorite things. I thought that was very adorable. Yeah. I like the looks pastor, like the previous movie he goes into, he looks at her and he's like, he thinks about it and he walks in. He's like, nah, not today. Yeah. It's just like, as soon as Fletcher gives him that boost of confidence, he's like, he takes
00:13:40
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like so much of who he is from Fletcher like you can already tell going into this movie before you know anything about the two that he respects this guy so highly that like as soon as he gives him a big compliment he's like I'm on top of the world now as soon as he takes that away throughout the movie too it's the very opposite so it seems like his confidence like Andrew's confidence is linked and connected to his drive
00:14:05
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love passion and drive for it, which is a negative thing actually, because yeah, it's all riding off for this really, you know,
00:14:17
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High esteemed instructor. Which would not fly in today's age. Like teaching someone like that. I hope not. I don't know. In 2014. Yeah. And I don't know if this is like getting to like, not like spoiler territory or jumping ahead, but whenever he breaks off, I don't remember his girlfriend's name. Nicole. Nicole. Whenever he like breaks it off with her in the diner, it really seemed like he didn't
00:14:47
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Like she was almost nothing to him. Like he was so matter of fact, just breaking it off. Like, nope, you're in my way. Like it didn't, we don't know much about her. So whenever he broke it off with her, it just kind of seemed like, like she was just kind of like gone. Like, yeah, I think he didn't mean much. She didn't mean too much to him. It seemed like he's very like, I don't know what the, the PC term is nowadays near divergent, I guess. Like he's like.
00:15:13
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He was analyzing all the factors and he's just laying them out for her and just, yeah, very cold and calculated about it. It was, it makes me think like, you know, I don't know, maybe you're kind of wondering if Andrew almost put up a front and like, everything was kind of boiling underneath the surface the whole time with his passion drive, like I said, and the negative effect it has on him with the drumming. Yeah, driving him freaking.
00:15:38
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just nuts and intense like Fletcher. I feel like he's always been obsessive. He got into the top music school in the country. That's true. You have to work hard to get that position. I thought Teller was playing a very
00:16:01
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where he was an alcoholic teenager that, you know, was using Amy before they got together and stuff like that. Like, he kind of is, he's a douche in some movies and the characters he plays. So, like, I was like, nice and whiplash, like he's finally a, like, he seems like a nice kind of timid but talented kid. Like, that's all I saw right away. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that.
00:16:30
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I don't know, I was really surprised how this movie kind of transpired, like with this character, the character development and that passion for the drums, just crazy. But yeah, that's kind of all I had with how like Teller
00:16:48
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really surprised me with this character in this one twice. And he did play drums since he was 15 in real life. Tell her to? Yeah. Really? Yeah. So he's been he's been playing drums since he was 15 years old. But he was like a rock drummer, not a jazz drummer. So he still knew how to like hold the drum like he still knew how to like play the drum and how to hold the drumsticks. So and also JK
Music Scenes and Realism in 'Whiplash'
00:17:13
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Simmons in high school studied music as well. So they both like had like
00:17:17
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Music what's the word? Background yeah, so yeah, they didn't just go in blind and one thing too is I liked I don't know much about music like that kind of music but The terms that they were using Even though I didn't know what they were I still Was following what they were saying like I could put the pieces together like it wasn't like super foreign to me No, like the terms they were using
00:17:43
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The script was nice. Yeah, like it makes me feel like lost. No, like what if that makes sense? Like what are you doing? Yeah. And thankfully they do show us what they're talking about. Exactly. So it wasn't super hard to follow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One question I did have with that after still watching this movie. I know these guys are all like top of their field being in a prestigious law school or music school.
00:18:10
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like I suppose are you a musician did you do music stuff I was gonna mention that in my notes yeah so make fun of me if you want you like jazz you know like uh yeah I do I do like jazz I have like
00:18:31
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alto saxophone. And being in a small school, unfortunately, we didn't have a lot of jazz going on with the band. It was just orchestra or pep band music, unfortunately. Didn't have to dodge any chairs. Didn't have to dodge any chairs. No, thank goodness. I'm sure I would have if I was up against this man. Yeah. Yeah. No, I would have failed immensely.
00:18:55
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in front of Fletcher. But yeah, no, I wanted to play jazz. But no, I really enjoy listening to jazz pieces, actually. I love the vibe of this whole jazz thing. Chazelle got going on. So I don't know. I don't know if you'd know then with your background, but can you pick up like when he says like Bar 194?
00:19:14
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And then they just turn to it and start going, is it that quick? So I felt like, like he kept hammering the drummers throughout this movie. Everyone else in the band was just like on it. Like he would say a line and they were just, I noticed that as well. He was kind of taking it hard on the drummers. Yeah. Yeah. To answer your question there, some of the things I kind of did forget because yeah, I haven't picked up the saxophone music in
00:19:40
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Quite a few years, you know, ever since I graduated high school, really, unfortunately, but yeah. So some of the things I wasn't familiar with, but it wasn't that fast for us. We've got to sometimes we're slow to find our place and crap like that. So I think it was because they were in a prestigious school and really good.
00:20:01
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that kind of reminds me of, I just mentioned earlier is that my golden retriever growing up was named Jazz. I love that. I love jazz. I don't like jazz too much. If you know what I mean. Also, I also was, one thing Ryan actually mentioned while we're watching it that I didn't catch was Fletcher was kind of like,
00:20:29
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I can't remember his name on, um, Full Metal Jacket, but. Oh, the guy you called out at the beginning. Yeah. He was kind of like how the sergeant or whatever towards private pile. Yeah. He kind of gave the same. He called the one guy Gomorrah Pyle. Yeah. Yeah. Gomorrah Pyle. Did he call him that? He called him with some name. I thought it was something like that. Oh, I guess I didn't catch it. But I'm following like what character you're talking about.
00:20:56
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Bigger the one he made for the instrument guy. They kicked out mats. I think it was. Yeah. Well, he said he was thinking about a burger. Yeah. Yeah. He gave me the same vibes of from full metal jacket. Oh, I mean, he was. Yeah. And calling him fat, which made me sad. But that's what I was going to say. This movie really manages to turn this.
00:21:23
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into like a drill sergeant in this art form. So it's really weird, like, you know, nice art form and art, like creative expression and you're like, yeah, you're like a drill sergeant in the army or something, you know, like pretty bad. Yeah. He was very creative with the nicknames and stuff.
00:21:47
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Oh man, the things that were just spilling out of his mouth. He did say some pretty funny things. He said there was one line that's probably can't say on the pod, but it made me laugh. It made me chuckle pretty bad. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what I'm thinking of or probably not? There's a few that just had me cackling. He used some words, like the R word. Can I read what made me laugh? He uses that word. I'm not going to say it, but it made me laugh. You can believe it. Sure. Yeah.
00:22:17
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says, uh, I have it in my notes on, give a R word, a calculator, and he'll turn on the TV with it. That one made me chuckle a little bit because I've done that numerous times. So, Oh yeah. Just relating to it. Yeah. No, just, uh, gosh, the yeah. Oh man. Wouldn't fly, but oh, also that this is a, one of the few, uh, Blomhouse movies that is at the horror.
00:22:46
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That's very true. I was shocked when I saw that logo come up in the beginning. And it's 824. I think it's 824, isn't it, Andy? I thought it was 824. Oh, I didn't see that shot. Very early days of 824, though. I could see that. Getting up and going. That's probably why Blumhouse was maybe connected so heavily. Yeah, Blumhouse produced. OK. OK. All right. Hey, you got it. Ashley knows her stuff. Thankfully, we have her on the pot now. Yeah.
00:23:14
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Yeah. Makes me think of what other movies are not horror that's Blomhouse produced, but we don't have to get into that on this one. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Topic episode. We'll probably pop into our heads, I'm sure. Yeah. No, that's interesting to think about though. It's also, I was going to say, always really interesting that we have a premise in the movie involving another art form.
00:23:39
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while the movie is an art form in itself, filmmaking. And really like diving into music as an art form and kind of the obsession to do everything right and perfect. I'm sure filmmakers and people working in the film industry have a sense of kind of how obsessive it can be
00:24:01
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Like, like my guy, David. Yeah, exactly. He needs to be exacting. And yeah, just watch it, especially watching Fletcher's character, but also Andrew's drive and passion for it in the beginning, at least, you know, you can tell that filmmakers like making this film probably understand it too, which is nice. Is this his first movie?
00:24:27
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Tell her. No, the director. Yeah. No, he's done quite a few things before this. Yeah. Yeah, I forgot. There was another movie I knew that Chazelle directed before this, but I only really started hearing about him with this. Oh, OK. That's where his bigger. I suppose I could have done my own research. I didn't. But, um, OK. Yeah, he had one other movie before this and then he had a whiplash short. Oh, so this is his first big movie where he got picked up.
00:24:57
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Yeah, that's why we're hearing about him more and stuff. That makes more sense. Yeah. OK. As you said, he's pretty young, right? I think he's still a young guy. Yeah, I think Damien Bochesil is 85. So he's younger than or a little bit older than Teller. I did have a question. Awesome. I bring up a question right after yours. Who?
00:25:21
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hid or took or lost his folder. Did he lose it actually or did someone take it? Never answered. I had that same question. I think. I was wondering too. I think my theory at least is that Fletcher wanted Teller to be or a Neiman to be his drummer. So he probably paid someone to take it or came and take it. Yeah. I think he instructed one of the students or. Yeah.
00:25:44
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somehow he did it himself. I kind of figured that out. I didn't really have a theory. I was just like. I think he knew that he was better than Tanner at the very least. And then he just wanted to keep pushing him. So that's when he brought in Connolly later, just to just mess with him a little bit. What was the red head's name? That was Connolly. Connolly. I kept referring to him as Ian from Shameless. Yeah. Okay.
00:26:16
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What's his name? What's his actual name? I know it, but I can't- He's in a lot of stuff now. He's starting to get big too. Gay Jesus. Gay Jesus. I was about to look up Ian Gallagher. That's not his name. Yeah, I want to say Ian, but I know it's not. Yeah, I can. Why? It was a nice name too.
00:26:36
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Cameron Monaghan, very Irish. You thought he looked like him? Yeah. I was going to ask you guys, have you seen that actor in anything before? Because I'm like, where's this guy from? I just didn't look it up. No, I'm just kidding. You wish? Yeah, no. Connelly? You talking about Connelly? Wasn't he supposed to play the Joker in something?
00:26:58
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He did. He didn't got them. Oh, no, he's good in that though. Yeah, I heard he did. I do like Batman Joker. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, you do kind of like that's, that's technically not a superhero. He's a human with gadgets, but he's saving the safe.
00:27:18
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He's a hero in some respects, yeah. You don't need to have super powers to be a superhero, actually. Perfect. Have you heard any of the philosophy in these superhero stories? Nope. That's exactly why. You just don't watch them. You would know this. You would know this already. Like, I don't know. You could be a superhero. Just think about that. Maybe a villain. True. True. I don't know what kind, though. What's up?
00:27:45
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Austin Stoll is the Ryan Connelly guy. Nothing that I really know, just some small roles. He's in Bridge of Spies, if you've seen that one. Fantasy Island, 12 Strong, those are kind of the bigger ones.
00:28:00
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This looks like his biggest role that I know. Oh yeah, yep, yep. I didn't have any theories. I just didn't know. We just wanted to answer your question. Cool. Thanks. Yeah, of course. Yeah. I think he took it himself or orchestrated. It's taking, yes. Do you want him on?
00:28:15
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Oh, definitely. It's like everything he does is to push Neiman more in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense. Like he never actually wants to kick him off. Fletcher's conniving. We know that from his other acts. Yeah. He was like, if you wanted to kick me off, you would have already. He starts to get it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:32
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Like the, um, he's so manipulative too. Like the very first real conversation he has with Nieman, he's asking him about his family and stuff. Medially starts using it against him. And as, as I was watching this again, I'm like, he's just collecting info to use against him. I'm like, it's just so sad seeing it.
00:28:58
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And when he was telling, when Fletcher was telling Neiman to count, I can't remember what read it was. Yeah. And he said it was wrong. It was right. He was counting in perfect tempo, but he was telling him it was wrong.
00:29:12
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Yeah. I asked Ryan, nothing, nothing's ever good enough. Yeah. So he was like trying to throw him off on purpose, even though it was correct. I was like, when does it stop? Like at a lot of parts, kind of like firing the, the maths guy, like he's like, you didn't know you were off key and that's worse. Yeah, true. Yeah.
00:29:42
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Why do you suppose I just hurled a chair at your head, Neiman? I don't know. True, you do. The tempo? Were you Russian or were you drinking? I do want to ask you guys, right away, did you guys feel like Andrew was being singled out by Fletcher? Or did Fletcher actually see potential right away when he invited him to the first practice? Yeah, one of my questions that I had in my notes actually was why did he pick
00:30:11
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Andrew, why did he pick Neiman? Like, what, what was it that made him stand out? Did he actually see raw potential in this guy? He just had to teach him and like kind of tweak some things and like, does the ending kind of answer that for us? You know, I feel like he saw that glimmer, like we hear about, uh, what's his name? Sean Casey, the other kid who smits suicide. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think he just, he's looking for that, that Charlie Parker, you know, someone that can make him famous, um, that big star. And I think he saw something in Neiman.
00:30:41
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I think that conversation where he mentions, he wants to find the next guy. I think that was all genuine. But other conversations you can kind of question. Yeah. He said Charlie Parker got a symbol thrown at him by Joe Jones. I thought he said Joe Jonas at first. And I was like, what? Damn, he's old. Yeah, I know. I was like, when does this come out? Yeah, even if Jonas is here.
00:31:10
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But yeah, that was in my notes as well. I just had to get that out. I hate you. Okay, so yeah, what are you guys saying? That's why your chair just had to replicate it. Yeah. Okay, so you guys are thinking like he didn't see potential in him. I think he's seen the spark from that, that first, when you see him drumming alone and stuff. Well, because he was doing the double time thing, which he later like, he made it seem like it's a more advanced thing in here's name in a first year, like nailing it. Very true. Yeah, he had to see something and he was
00:31:43
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Guys, I'm an anxious as hell person the way it is. You guys know. And I freaking cower whenever somebody's like in my face. Same. Same thing. I don't know. It's kind of like a little bit of, I don't know, like little childhood trauma or something. But I mean, no, not that bad, guys. But just, I don't know. I'm a people pleaser too. Me too. And I'm really trying to work on that, guys. Really trying to work on myself. But yeah, just that made me feel small.
00:32:12
Speaker
along with Andrew, I was like, wow, like, I wouldn't know if he wanted me to keep playing or I would have, I would have broke immediately. You gotta communicate to me. I don't know what you want. I can't read your mind, dude. Like he's acting like, I don't know. Like, like his thoughts are just popping up in bubbles above his head. You know? Oh yeah. I gotta do that. Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:36
Speaker
Maybe he noticed him because he didn't really target or get after any of the other instrument players throughout
Neiman and Fletcher's Relationship Dynamics
00:32:43
Speaker
the movie. So maybe the previous drummer was struggling and he was trying to replace him or something and saw potential in that. Cause he didn't really, he didn't really get after the other instrument players throughout the movie really. Cause he did say we're looking for a drum. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe he was looking to replace that Tanner guy. Yeah. Okay. I didn't think about that. I didn't think about that until now. Yeah. And no, good point.
00:33:05
Speaker
I wonder if it has to do with Charlie Parker being a drummer is why. I think he said Parker was a drummer. I don't know jazz enough, but that's why he's like, Oh, it has to be a drummer that I make famous. I don't know. Yeah. So he's harder on drummers. I did think that the family dinner scene was pretty funny when they're like trying to one up each other and stuff. And if he was like, I would rather be dead at 34 being talked about by people that don't know me, then 90 and sober and no one knows who I am.
00:33:33
Speaker
Yeah, that was rough. Yeah, he just basically drops the mic. Yeah. Oh, you know, I thought it was funny. I don't know if it's his brothers or something, but they're like, oh, I also had that question. I was like, who are these guys? Yeah. Like they didn't mention siblings. It was his brother in law, right? Or maybe it was his little because it's like, who's that other girl? It's not his new mom. Yeah, I didn't really say. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe aunt and nephews. I don't know. I don't know. It didn't really explain, but I don't have a gripe with
00:34:00
Speaker
you guys know that they didn't really explain no I mean it was all from Andrew's perspective so like I guess it didn't really need explaining it's just what he saw yeah we don't get a ton a ton of exposition it's kind of just the bits we need to know yeah but he did pick up from Fletcher like during that
00:34:23
Speaker
dinner, he dropped some really good one-liners on the two boys. Yes, he did. Oh, those are four words you'll never hear from the NFL. That made me laugh. It gets me every time. I love that one. He's so quick. Now I'm realizing that he is probably mirroring what just happened to him and that he's maybe feeling a bit insecure in the moment because he was just yelled at by him. That might be why. But yeah, no, it's a really sad thing that you can pick up on that a little bit already that he's latching onto this instructor then.
00:34:53
Speaker
I don't know. What's the point? It's kind of like an abusive relationship. It is. Yeah. Yeah. It's like his heroine. Emotionally and physically at some time. Yeah. He's slapping him. But he keeps coming back. He wants to please him so bad that he's dealing with the horrible things that he's doing to him. That's for sure. That's very on point, like in a toxic abusive relationship. Yeah, that's bad. So yeah, kind of jumping ahead a little bit here, but at the
00:35:22
Speaker
ending at the resolve. Like, did you guys feel like his method to his madness was justified? Who's madness? Sorry, Fletcher. Like. It's a really flawed system because he's like the the real Charlie or the next Charlie Parker would never give up or be discouraged when they're having that conversation in the in the bar. And like.
00:35:51
Speaker
I don't know if you actually hit him with the symbol, maybe he's like, fuck this, I'm not gonna be a drummer anymore. I'm not gonna get abused. And you do discourage your next Charlie Parker. So there is a line to it. I do agree with how Nieman was viewing it there. Yeah. One big question I had was the end, if I can mention the end. Yeah, yeah, we won't zoom forward or anything. We have plenty to mention about the end. Okay.
00:36:19
Speaker
When he was like, I'm not stupid. I know it was you that got him that name and got Fletcher fired. Oh, my heart drops. So I just personally couldn't see what was that concert that they were playing for the acronym. Oh, yeah. I had a question on that too. I missed it. Yeah. It was like the something VC to JVC. Yeah. When he was telling it to the Nicole again. Yeah. I couldn't see Fletcher like bombing that.
00:36:48
Speaker
just for the sake of revenge or like embarrassing Nieman. Like he seems like he takes it so seriously and professionally. I couldn't, I just couldn't see him. I didn't think he was petty enough to blow it in such a big audience, like important audience. But maybe I guess, I don't know. I just.
00:37:08
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. Like maybe he knows it looks worse on Neiman and not because he was like, these people are here. They'll never forget. Like they're big people. And so if he makes him mess up, but I can picture him throwing such an important show. I do agree. Cause it's got to look bad on you as the composer. Yeah. And allowing it to happen without calling anything. That's a good point to bring up actually. I didn't really think about that. I honestly just saw the embarrassment for.
00:37:33
Speaker
Andrew. Yeah. And I think, I think Neiman is that freaking guy. I think he is. How conniving he's been this whole time. And like just knowing things. Like he knew it was Andrew that got fired. And I think he would stoop to that level. Because like, he might be a super
00:37:55
Speaker
awesome music instructor. But wow, he's so like, he's so flawed. Yeah. And I mean, I guess he was fired. So maybe he was like, well, I'm already fired. I'm done here.
00:38:09
Speaker
But I don't know, I guess. So basically his reputation. Yeah. So he's still got that job to do that show. Yeah. Famous enough that they put him on the, the jazz bar thing. Yeah. And, um, yeah, I guess I thought like the end was just there. Both are competitive natures. There wasn't really a resolve there. No, no. It almost left more questions because you're like, now, like,
00:38:36
Speaker
Are they going to work together and continue to be in this abusive relationship? Yeah, what's going to happen here? Is he going to finally see that he is his new Charlie Parker, Casey, whatever? Sean Casey. Like, yeah, I just left more questions pretty much because, or maybe he realized he was so hard on him and he got it now because Fletcher was satisfied with what he did.
00:39:01
Speaker
So maybe they got what they wanted. I don't know. It kind of feels like the ending of Midsommar, right? Like she becomes the spring queen. Everything's resolved. Like she got out of her toxic relationship, right? Andrew reaches his full potential right there. That's a good point. But at the same time, I'm kind of looking at it in a different lens from Midsommar. Well, actually, it might be like Midsommar because... Sounds like it.
00:39:29
Speaker
all this death and sacrifices in Midsommar, like bad, bad stuff to get to the point where it's like, yes, queen, or whatever. Yeah. Yes, me, queen. Yeah, there you go. Like whiplash kind of feels like that because Andrew gets that point where he wants to get to just like Florence Pugh's character doesn't. Yeah, you're right. And then he's still in that toxic relationship. So at what cost? Right. There we go. There's kind of the question, right? Yeah.
00:39:58
Speaker
Yeah. So is he going to go and produce him now? Um, yeah. And like, continue to work with him on the girl because he's like, yeah, we just never hear her again. None of this normal life stuff. Like he seemed content. Like when he wasn't drumming like towards the end there.
00:40:14
Speaker
But at the same time, you're like, I bet he misses it. There's no way he does it. And then of course, like he just goes back to that way. Like he returned, like you were saying. So like, it's just, yeah. Yeah. I think he was always destined to eventually get back in that life though. Like even had Charlie Parker's DVDs and like all this stuff before he met Fletcher. Like, so he was, he was obsessed into it. It was part of his life already.
00:40:39
Speaker
yeah like he already wanted to be the best yeah like the greatest yeah oh i do have to mention that was a really good car accident scene yeah i like the car accident scene it really caught me off guard yeah and it doesn't like in a good way because some movies like the tone of it
00:41:03
Speaker
And then they just kept going, yeah, this doesn't fit in the story or feel the tone at all. But this, it really did. And that's why I'm saying it. It showed how much he was wanting that part. It's a bad process because you can see
00:41:20
Speaker
on unhealthy it is. It's not like, Oh my God, there's no dwell him go. Not really. That's sad. And then it was just never mentioned again. We didn't want to happen to his car. Like no, please support. Yeah. I'm like, he's not going to ever rent a car. Yeah.
00:41:48
Speaker
I'm like, please don't drop it. You're going to get like yelled at. I was like.
00:41:57
Speaker
Kind of cringing almost like that painful way like yeah Yeah, well, you know, like he's he's concussed. He's out of it going through it like his freaking hand. He's just got blood and like Even though you got adrenaline, dude, you're probably not functioning properly. Yeah Probably wearing off during those like eight minutes songs that they got Miles Teller tackles JK Simmons. He cracked two ribs on Teller or
00:42:27
Speaker
Uh, J.K. Simmons cracked two ribs when he tackled him and then they still had two more days of filming afterwards and he just tough it out. Yeah. Like the way he looks in the movie, you're like, okay, yeah, you are a man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, but yeah, no Miles Teller was drumming since he was 15. And the most he did was he just did three days a week, a couple hours to like, get like it down. But he pretty much, he already knew everything.
00:42:56
Speaker
He's got the form down. That really helps. I don't know if this is true, but I heard Dane DeHaan got offered the part, but turned it down. I love him. Really? Yeah. Man. I like Miles Teller, though, in that as much as I love Dane. I like Dane DeHaan, and I'm rooting for that guy because it's unfortunate what projects he's been in, and people should not be discouraging him. Yeah. When you see that, quit that.
00:43:25
Speaker
It's not his fault. He's a good performer. I did watch this one movie on Hulu though, The Stranger. And it's like a girl Ubering a person and a guy and he just committed a crime and he's like kind of.
00:43:39
Speaker
I think I did see that, but I was like, I think I, I'm, you know, I'm not a trailer watcher, but I think I saw something about that and I was like, as much as I love him, not gonna watch
Jazz Elements and Cultural Reflections
00:43:57
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it.
00:43:57
Speaker
But I do love him in Chronicles so much. And Metallica through the Never, the concert movie. I love that one so much. I forgot to mention that to you. She always mentioned it. It's on my watch list.
00:44:14
Speaker
That one's like a trance movie for me. I watched it at like 2 a.m. one night. Yeah, it's perfect. I was not expecting it to be like a flashback and forth between like a dystopian. Yeah. Yeah. I have the Blu-ray. I want it to you. It's so even right. And Ryan hates Metallica. Yeah. But he loved through the never good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Last year.
00:44:35
Speaker
And I did read kind of a funny little snippet in the movie. I can't remember what the title of the job is, but someone who was like releasing the movie told, what's the director's name? Damien Chazelle. Yeah. And told them at the end that the drumming scene was too long and quoted or quoted
00:45:00
Speaker
Okay. He's good at drumming. We get it. But he was like, nope, we're keeping that solo in. Yeah. That's good. I think it like emphasizes like all the work he's put throughout the movie. Yeah. I think it makes it the right ending for the movie and like why it just left off on like, like I said, it's one of my favorites because it did like.
00:45:21
Speaker
It didn't let me down throughout the whole thing. I was in trance. Now discussing it more and talking about it. I don't know why I did it solo and it made me feel so many things. I'm changing it to a six. Wow. Okay. So bump it up a little. Yeah. It's hazardous opinions guys, but we can like.
00:45:42
Speaker
Maybe I just have to like talk about it for a bit to realize that there's a lot to talk about. It's definitely, that's what I told her. I was like, I was like, I'm going to hit them with the hazardous opinions.
00:45:56
Speaker
right now yeah yeah but but i love talking about it actually so i bump it up to six oh yeah perfect one little thing about the ending solo we ended on caravan and not not whiplash yeah that's i was i was about to mention that i don't know if that'd be too cheesy to end whiplash on whiplash but i'm like so many times throughout it yeah like it's nice to match up with the title and you're like okay
00:46:20
Speaker
I get it now, not in a bad way, but like, I'm glad they kind of changed it up for the ending to really emphasize it. Wow. Like you, you can stare at it because you haven't, you haven't heard it before. It's yeah, it's interesting that they use, I mean, Caravan wouldn't sound as cool as a title. That's looking back now.
00:47:02
Speaker
I don't know. Caravan has the better solo, I think, for the ending. Very true. But Whiplash, it's like, it's Whiplash. Yeah, I know, right? Yeah, it is a really nice piece, honestly. With this in La La Land, just the jazz feel of it being brought into modern day, because I feel like we don't get, at least us up here in North Dakota, I guess, we don't get down to
00:47:28
Speaker
the South or anything and like experience it there. I wonder what it is like there, but I'm not feeling the jazz. We don't have jazz lounges and stuff here. I forgot to mention this. I didn't see a single black person in a movie about jazz. There's a couple of the band people, but they're like very
00:47:52
Speaker
I'm going to get butchered for not knowing instruments. Is it the cello? Is the super huge one? He's like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? He keeps leaning over to him. Oh, true, true, true. And the end there. You're right, you're right, you're right. But yeah, jazz is such like a black culture thing. And I didn't see many. Yeah, it was mostly white guys. That's a nitpicking a little bit. Yeah, I can see that. And for that point,
00:48:17
Speaker
I'm a little glad that it was more of a contained cast then because of that. I get, I get what you mean though. Yeah. I think it's, it's also, I mean, I don't think this movie's like a social commentary thing at all, but it's kind of a reflection of just how we are. It's like, it's a super prestigious school. I mean, if you're coming from poverty, you're probably not going to have a chance to go there. Whereas Neiman does seem like he came from a wealthy family at least. I wouldn't have thought of that. Thanks, Andy. Yeah.
00:48:47
Speaker
I, speaking of, I totally forgot to bring up Neiman's dad. I loved his dad. He seemed like such a good guy. That's what I was gonna say. It's nice, like, jumping back to the beginning, even, like, when they sit down in the movie theater, they have that, you know, bucket of popcorn. With the raisinets in it. He puts the raisinets in it.
00:49:06
Speaker
it seems so natural like that's just their thing you can get comfortable with the character because they're already comfortable in this setting like like they've been doing it a hundred yeah like that's just like their routine they looked at each other no word said he's just yeah i love that in a script or like you know yeah i did love his dad and he was like how are you gonna let him cheat you like that and then at the end when
00:49:27
Speaker
He like shits on him on stage and he like walks off and his dad is like immediately there to give him a hug. I was like, I love his dad in that. Especially when his mom is gone, that like his dad isn't a loo for anything like a normal story usually. Yeah. Or he'd be an alcoholic because of it. Exactly.
00:49:45
Speaker
I think that's one of the things that the first time I watched this is one of my highest anxiety things is I was like, if his dad didn't step on that stage, I feel like we could have easily had the alternate ending where he runs off. He just leaves, doesn't come back. And he ends up being a Sean Casey. I was like, I thought that's how this was going to end. I wasn't expecting him to go back. Yeah.
00:50:08
Speaker
Yeah. And then it actually ends on the high notes, literally. Double-edged blade when you put it that way. Yeah, I didn't think of that. Like he's set for an abusive relationship for the rest of his, like, drumming career. Or he goes home and maybe, maybe like that other student, you know, takes his own life. And it's just, it's horrible. Yeah. Maybe he could take his life when he's young too, because he did reach the greatness that he wanted.
00:50:36
Speaker
that usually tends to happen in stories like that. If they reach greatness young, then they tend to like- We'll die at 35. We'll talk to you about you. Yeah. Very true. Like he said. Yeah. No, very true. Good point. Yeah. But I just loved their relationship. It was sweet. I liked how you could be transported to where they were at because of that. You know, that stuff helps along with the characters and introducing them.
00:51:06
Speaker
what their relationship is. Just a little thing like that. That's just so nice. I was gonna ask you guys, what's your guys' relationship with music? Are you a person that needs it around most of the time, constantly? Or are you okay without having it on?
00:51:26
Speaker
I'll say that when Spotify Rewind comes out, I am every year the top of like anyone I know for minutes. So yeah, I listen to a lot of music. Me too. I listen to a lot of music. And podcasts, I guess, has quickly become like a third of my listening minutes, but I listen to a lot. Yeah, me too. I listen to a lot of
00:51:48
Speaker
like punk music a lot, and drums are super heavy in there. So that's why going into it, I was expecting that kind of drumming. More of a like a sound of metal. I didn't watch sound of metal yet. Well, I haven't either, but I'm guessing that's more like. Yeah, because he was like a metal drummer. Yeah. But yeah, like, yeah, I do really like drums and I always hear drums in the songs that I listen to. OK.
00:52:10
Speaker
Yeah. So I do, and it helps me when I'm working. So yeah, I do listen to a lot of music. It's like really high up there in the minutes, but I do listen to a lot of podcasts while I'm at work. So I am fine without music sometimes. And also being with Ryan, he's a musician. So I'm constantly, I'm constantly going to shows, constantly listening to new stuff. So it's like, it's like a good balance, but it's very important to me though, still.
00:52:39
Speaker
Yeah. I think at some point, I feel like we should have Ryan on for like a music type movie, not like a musical, but like where a movie makes original music and like it sounds really good to him and have him on. Yeah. I can mention that to me. Yeah. La La Land. Does he like jazz? Bill and Ted face the music.
00:53:01
Speaker
I haven't watched it, but I want to see it, so there we go. I'll give you a watch. Yeah, I think we should have Monso, like, because music is a huge part of movies too. It's funny that, like,
00:53:13
Speaker
you know, music is just a cog in the machine of film. Yeah. They're like really putting a spotlight on it. And sometimes it's nice to see. Yeah. And sometimes tune movies like the soundtracks are sometimes the thing that stick out the most. Very true. Yeah. People like the soundtracks are so memorable. Yeah. And that really takes key rating from like the director, like whoever's doing the music and stuff. Like it's very carefully picked like Black Panther recently that like
00:53:38
Speaker
Everybody was talking about it, everybody was listening to it, and that feels to be one of those 80s records that came out from The Lost Boys. Oh, I love The Lost Boys. You kind of think of old movie soundtracks. Top Gun. Take My Breath Away. The Lady Gaga one and then Danger Zone.
00:53:59
Speaker
And I just posted this because Idle Hands just turned 25 the other day. I love the punk rock. I don't like every song that's on Idle Hands is like one of my favorite songs. Oh, I can't wait to like listen. Yeah, like I just yeah, stuff like that. Oh, it's gonna add. Romeo and Michelle. Amazing soundtrack as well. Okay, haven't seen that either. I gave you the Blu-ray. Oh, wait, that is what it's called. That's right. Yeah, no, I did watch it. Okay. Remember, I told you. Yeah, Lisa Kuja. Yep. Right. Yep.
00:54:28
Speaker
But yeah, soundtracks are important, music's important. Yeah. I still think of the, uh, it's not the drumming that really sticks with me in this. It's the, uh, the trumpets, especially during caravan, like the, like, that sticks in my head, like 10 times. Cause they kept having to get the drumming right.
00:54:46
Speaker
Definitely yeah, yeah, I mean and I mean since you guys answer your question about music and stuff I suppose like I'll say on that is
00:54:59
Speaker
I do like to have background on. I got to have the TV on like a movie plane or a show plane because like some, I like quiet sometimes, but I don't like it all the time. And like, I don't think it's ADHD of me. It's just, uh, it's just comfort. Cause I don't know, since a kid, since I've been a kid, like I just, I fall asleep with the TV on whatever. But yeah, I do like to have music on, but like you guys, I think it's just a zoomer thing for us. I also take parts or take.
00:55:27
Speaker
Part in other interests. Yeah, yeah like podcasts and I have something constantly stimulating subway surfers always in the corner Yes, I have nothing big in with flash Yeah, I just thought this could have gone in a in a way different way It's just one of those movies that fills me with dread watching and I just love every minute
Emotional Impact and Cinematography of 'Whiplash'
00:55:56
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though. It's such a good movie
00:55:57
Speaker
I know. I was going to say that too. Like it's, um, it's hard to watch, but in a good way. It doesn't mean you turn away that he's treating Andrew or somebody else like that. Yeah. Like it's hard. Yes. But I don't know. Like it's like, wow. Like I am glued. I can't look away. Yeah. And yeah, I think also the camera movement that Chazelle uses.
00:56:24
Speaker
really matches with the feel of this whole movie just the like, you know, he doesn't go too slow or too fast. It's not like boom, boom, boom. It's kind of a nice motion that which is kind of in tune work very well in with the theme of music. It's very, yeah, rhythmic. Yeah, there we go. That's what I had down in my dog. That's what I was trying to get to like it. It's nice like you think of a movie like Baby Driver where the movements are to the beat. But
00:56:52
Speaker
In here, it seems more like the camera is... I mean, in Baby Driver, the camera does sometimes. And when I saw that it was Blumhouse, I could see the potential to where it could be written as a psychological thriller.
00:57:10
Speaker
to like it could have been it kind of is but like not in like a thriller way it's almost a brother to black swan exactly that's what i was that's what i was thinking too yes just you're just on edge for the whole movie yeah yeah and i mean i wouldn't say black swan is a total fork i'd say it is more of a psychological
00:57:33
Speaker
Really? Right? Yeah. Who did that one? Did Darren Aronofsky do the Plex one? Okay. That's the only Aronofsky we'll do that. I think that's a really good comparison. I think Whiplash feels a lot like Plex one. Yeah. I agree. I think so. And yeah. And with that movie too, I think it just kind of, I think you have the same feeling at the end. Kind of like feel empty and not like so happy for the person. You're like, wow, like what comes?
00:57:57
Speaker
Yeah, you know, yeah, you achieve perfection, but yeah, but yeah, so yeah, it's nice to kind of put it in that lens and kind of understand them more because I'm sure like I'm not thinking about some undertones that are there that haven't popped into my head. I'm sure you could analyze this movie quite a bit with the psychological. Yeah, it's really nice. It's nice to pick it apart. It's very just well built movie. I'm glad to talk about.
00:58:26
Speaker
it was people who can break down the things that I didn't understand. Oh, so yeah, no, that's what this is about. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I'm not a big story line person. Okay. And I like that you got the behind the scenes stuff for me. Now I don't have to say thank you IMDB. We can thank you. Your research and yeah, no, so it's it's nice.
00:59:01
Speaker
Analysis on stuff because there are some things that I miss. I'm not perfect, you know, I'm not gonna get everything so Yeah, no, that's nice Yeah, that's all I have on. Yeah, I don't think I have anything else to add. Yeah Yeah, I've been watching or we watched Fallout and This isn't loved it by the way. Yeah, I already got renewed for season two. Yep and
00:59:29
Speaker
This isn't like a new or anything, but our before bed show as of lately has been.
00:59:36
Speaker
married with children from the eighties. Do you know if married with children? It's so hilarious. Ryan showed that to me and it is so funny. It's not a loving family really. It gives nothing, no good message or anything. Like it's just like a husband and wife that like give like hateful one liners to each other and has Christina applique as the daughter. And she's like,
01:00:03
Speaker
I don't know how to explain it. It's just super hilarious. It's just so hilarious. There's a lot of very similar shows like it. Yeah. It's like sitcom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we've been watching a lot of that. Yeah. Awesome. That's probably comforting. I kind of like those. I'm so used to my parents falling asleep to like King of Queens, friends, all of that. And I kind of just hear it because I'm a night owl, so I'll obviously be up past them.
01:00:36
Speaker
Yeah. So it's nice. It's a nice feeling. Yeah. Oh, another show we've been watching. We've been kind of cooling it down in the movies lately because we've been so busy traveling for a little bit here. Oh, you guys have been busy. Yeah, but we've been on a competition show kick, so blown away. The Glass Blowing Show just got all four of those watched on Netflix and the Gentlemen.
01:01:00
Speaker
Yeah, but I can't off the top of my head right now. I can't think of any movies but But there has been movies. I just can't think of them right now. So yeah Have you been watching? Me or Andy go ahead. I got a few so Yeah, I know I'd love to hear about yours. Yeah, I'm sure with your time off you got playing So yeah, obviously watched with lash of preparation for all this. I told you guys earlier about a
01:01:29
Speaker
Good old shutter original that I checked out. Shutter has actually been a good source for me lately. I've been checking out quite a bit and I've been opening up my mind more to like on letterbox I do see these 2.6 rated and like once I see it at like a close to 2.5 in my head I'm almost thinking like
01:01:50
Speaker
Oh, it's a bad movie, but it's really not like you think of it 2.5 is half 50% Yeah, that's fine. So I've been like Striving to check those out. So shard has been presenting you with a lot because I've got a horror kick lately. Yeah, why? But yeah, so I did check out the shutter original infested. It's a French film and basically
01:02:19
Speaker
of deadly rapidly reproducing spiders. And guys, I shit you not, like this, this isn't a spoiler really, but like,
01:02:30
Speaker
They're not like regular spiders. It's like, it's creepy. And it's your skin crawl. Like if you are very afraid of bugs, this is not going to be for you, but in a good way, if you can tolerate it, you know, cause it doesn't like bugs, but I know that I will love it when I watch it. I think you'll really like it. And it's interesting because the director is Sebastian.
01:02:57
Speaker
like probably you said you took French when she got this I looked at a language app and only learned a couple phrases and I told you guys the only one the other pot or but yeah anyways yeah that
01:03:15
Speaker
that director, Sebastian Banacek, he will be the new director for the next installment of the Evil Dead franchise. That's right, you did mention that. Yes, so that's why I was even more excited to check this out because I usually don't care for bug features. I love a good creature feature. I love creature features, but I'm not super into spider things or anything.
01:03:43
Speaker
I shouldn't say I'm not into them. I haven't sought them out, but after this one, yeah, maybe I will. You guys changed my kind of, you need to watch it. Like it freaks. Yes. Like you guys were saying, do you like, do you like rodents rodents? Yeah. Yeah. I don't like them at all. You're ever seen the 2002, the rats.
01:04:01
Speaker
No. 2002, that's perfectly my era. Yeah. I checked that one out. That sounds like a similar movie, like 2.5-ish movie, where it's been many years since I've seen it, where it's like this super hoard of rats that are breeding a control and start taking over and eating people in New York. Oh my God. Sounds like a current events. Yeah. Yes. It's good. I liked it. Okay. I'll check that out. It's been a long time, so it could be really bad. Okay. No. But I remember enjoying it as a kid. I might as well give it a whirl though.
01:04:31
Speaker
Um, but yeah, no, I like, I do really like creature creatures. I've been trying to find more of them. Um, more like, I like watched another movie that I'll shout out again and that I do want to cover on the pod someday. It is called unwelcome.
01:04:48
Speaker
this couple that moves from England after a little incident with strangers they move into the husband's aunt that just passed away her her cottage in Ireland and there's this like wall in the garden and I guess the old aunt that passed away she always left meat out for them because like apparently they need
01:05:18
Speaker
like kind of like a agreement between like, they call them the little people. This isn't a spoiler. It's just like, it's right in the premise. But like, yeah, like, their backyard has little people, but I'm not gonna say what they are. And we'll wait till we talk about them at some point. But yeah, that's a creature feature. I've been looking more why I mentioned that one was I've been looking more for like, that, like fairytale folklore, Penn's Labyrinth type have seen that.
01:05:46
Speaker
Don't be afraid of the dark. Yes, seeing that. Frick. I know, see? Yeah, I'm kind of like struggling to find good quality ones and I'm kind of like guessing and seeing what I don't really care for.
01:05:59
Speaker
Obviously. Me too. So do I. So do you also do some good ones? Have you seen the ruins? The ruins, not creatures, but finds. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I added it to my watch list. I think you'll like that one. Okay. It's, it's gross. They're like, it's good. A good cast too. Yeah. Awesome. Okay. Yeah. And like, I'll kind of.
01:06:24
Speaker
save some others because yeah i feel like you have a little more than me and you but yeah i've been checking out what's up before you go i just remembered that i've been on a danny boil kick really i just re-watched 28 weeks later the beach with leo his first movie after the titanic um sunshine i need to watch that too transpotting too haven't seen that
01:06:47
Speaker
I feel like there's one more that I watched. But yeah, I've been on a Danny Boyle kick lately. I love him. It's Alex Garland's boy. And they're coming back together for the 28 years later reboot trilogy. Oh, is that actually going to be a thing? Yeah. Aaron Taylor Johnson just got added to the cast. So there's
01:07:17
Speaker
Well, Demar, again, who's our guy from Red Dragon? Ray Fines. Yeah. He's on there. Erin Taylor Johnson is confirmed and a gal that we know, but I can't think of her name. So there's three confirmed people. So it's happening. Oh, I can't wait then. Cool. Awesome. Good to see you. Well, I'm excited to like start it and then watch the new stuff coming. There we go. Awesome. The 28 series of some of the better zombies out there. Perfectly. Zombies-ish. I have had a love-hate relationship with zombie stuff, honestly. So I would like to check out that. Yeah.
01:07:36
Speaker
He's wants to be part of it. He wasn't confirmed yet.
01:07:48
Speaker
Yeah, that's about it. What about you, Andy? Yeah. Well, uh, since I'm going to be taking a hiatus from the pod, uh, I have been watching a lot of movies and I will give a couple more today than I normally do.
01:08:01
Speaker
As you at least know, I'm a huge John Carpenter fan, so I finally got around to seeing They Live. I think it's 88? 88. So a couple years after the thing, it's an absolute meme of a movie, but it is amazing. I had a great time with it. It's got Keith David in it, who we love here on the pod. I've been seeing so much of him lately. He's just in everything.
01:08:25
Speaker
Yeah, the basic premise is aliens taking over humans. They look like humans. All of a sudden there's these glasses that you can put on and you can start seeing them. Yeah, that's the one. It's the obey one. Yeah. Okay. And it's Keith David as like the sidekick and remember the main guy's name now. Uh, Roddy Piper, um, who is basically like Duke Nukem, though I'm sure this movie I think came out before those games. So he's like, sure.
01:08:54
Speaker
very vulgar, uh, non PC catch lines and just shooting shit. So it's like a very like action, funny movie. It is great. And then I got to see, uh, I think maybe not his last movie, but like second to last movie, Chadwick Boseman, um, 21 bridges, which was actually pretty good.
01:09:15
Speaker
I wasn't expecting much of this, just, you know, crime thriller, but it was actually pretty good. Has J.K. Simmons as well. So good, good follow up from Whiplash. And then been on a big Kevin Spacey binge working through his repertoire lately. So we don't support the man. I support the man. Innocent. He's found innocent. I love Kevin Spacey. That someone agrees with me.
01:09:46
Speaker
Hopefully, hopefully. Anyways, despite what he may or may not have done, allegedly, Glengarry Glengross, Glengarry Glengross, mouthful of a name, huge cast, Al Pacino, Ed Harris, a couple other people, Alec Baldwin's in it, with Spacey, of course, Jonathan Price.
01:10:06
Speaker
Yeah, huge cast, all just old white men who've done allegedly bad things. And we're separating the people from the art. Yes. Severing the people from the art. And this movie is about a bunch of old white men doing bad things and trying to get away with it. So they're all just insurance salesmen, I think, or not insurance salesmen. They are scammers for like those people that call you up saying like, hey, you won this property if you only pay us like
01:10:34
Speaker
hundred grand you can have this timeshare so it's like that kind of company and they're trying to like scam people and yeah it's good it's kind of like almost like usual suspects you're the Tarantino one where it's like very dialogue heavy one of his early movies
01:10:57
Speaker
Yeah. So it's very like dialogue heavy, very like, um, good quippy, uh, humor, a lot of insulting. So yeah. Perfect. Awesome. I liked it. And, um, finally got to see holdovers. So yes. What did you think of it? It was awesome. Of course.
Review of 'The Holdovers' and 'Roadhouse' Remake
01:11:14
Speaker
Okay. Good. And Dominic is the dominant Cessa that plays the. Yeah. The Tully. Yeah. He might be a star. Like a lot of people are like,
01:11:28
Speaker
Paul Giamatti's in it. Oh, I love him. It's really good. It's on Peacock for free. Devine Joy Randolph. Devine Joy Randolph, she was a supporting actress and her role was in The Holdovers and she was amazing. Yeah. Yeah. One of those good Christmas movies, a little Oscar baby having, you know, Giamatti in it and putting it at Christmas time, but it was good.
01:11:51
Speaker
well made and like it's not a movie that I will rewatch a bunch of times but I'm really like I felt cozy in it and like felt the kind of New England oh I love that more yeah yeah took place during Christmas time in New England so like it was I talked to somebody from Rhode Island that watched it in the theater and she said it felt like home yeah that's that's a big compliment to that movie I would say
01:12:15
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Lastly, I did watch for the first time the original Roadhouse and then right after watch the remake with Jake G. And then I shut it off after the 15 minutes with the Jake G one. I was like, I cannot.
01:12:33
Speaker
it's kind of bad but then i gave it a second watch i tried it again and then it was actually so entertaining and hilarious really and mean yeah me and ryan had a fun time with it like i thought the fighting was good the acting was even with the cgi
01:12:48
Speaker
Even with the CGI, that was one of my gripes, but then once I restarted it and gave it a second try, and I just kind of watched it for what it was, because Ryan really likes Roadhouse, the OG one. And I love Jake G, so I was like, fine, I will give it a watch. And then I was rolling my eyes for a little bit, but then once it started getting going, I thought it was pretty entertaining for what it was.
01:13:09
Speaker
and Conda McGregor was so bad it was hilarious like we were just roasting him so bad throughout the whole thing so it was funny when we started roasting the movie then it was really funny so I haven't seen the original is that one comedic no not even close okay so it's a complete tonal shift complete tonal shift yeah
01:13:28
Speaker
it is but like but it was like serious it was like a serious movie but like the acting was bad and cheesy but the remake was like purposefully bad acting and yeah like they know it's bad yeah but it grew on it grew on me i should say i didn't like it yeah that was my main reason i was like i had to i had to yeah but a lot of no-name actors in there except for
01:13:49
Speaker
Conor McGregor and Post Malone with his horrible CGI fighting in the beginning. That was weird. I don't know why we needed any of that. I didn't mean either. No spoilers, but like the truck scene thing. What was that? I don't know. I don't know what a lot of it was. I just, yeah. It was very over the top. But I did like it though, Hunter. It was good. Is CG that cheap that we did that over a fight choreographer? Like, come on. Conor McGregor.
01:14:19
Speaker
And Jake G's fight scenes were choreographed, but it was still CGI. Yeah. Not well enough that they didn't supplement it. Yeah. Okay. I take it back. I didn't watch that. No, you had to tell me what you think though. It was funny. It was funny. Yeah. It's a terrible movie. There's just some questionable decisions.
Critique of 'Exorcist Believer'
01:14:40
Speaker
Exorcist believer. I recently watched as well and it was probably the worst movie I ever seen.
01:14:43
Speaker
I will really, really agree with you. I didn't bother to watch the original before watching this because I figured I didn't have to. The original changed me. I loved the original so much, but the believer.
01:14:57
Speaker
I thought maybe I was being, just missing something. So seeing the trailer, I'm like, this just looks like garbage. I'm not a trailer watcher. Around me. It was like, this is great. A sequel. I'm not watching trailers either. I've told people that too. And no matter, like, I really want to watch the Deadpool and Wolverine trailer. Nope. I'm not going to spoil anything. It's good.
01:15:17
Speaker
Unless it's like in a theater, like in a theater, I don't have a choice to watch trailers. But if I can avoid them at any cost, I will because I like going in blind because I tend to like movies more when I have zero expectations. Yeah. That's the only time I watch the trailers. And it just so happened, Exorcist 2 was coming out around the time when I was in Texas. So I seen like five or six movies in a row. It's just being hammered by those trailers. It's so bad.
01:15:47
Speaker
David Gordon Green. I'm praying for that man. He's on thin ice. He's on thin ice with me and I'm sure with studios. I don't know the guy. I don't know what has gone on behind the scenes. I liked his Halloween trilogy. I loved the first Halloween 2018.
01:16:07
Speaker
Rest? No. Did you watch Halloween Kills? Yes. All three were bad. No, and I thought the first one is good, 2018. It is good. That's really good. All three of the new trilogy are trash. I'm sorry, John Carpenter. You should have distanced yourself. Halloween Kills seemed like it was filmed like Rob Zombie made it. Yeah. So I loved it, obviously. I'm biased, though. I love Rob Zombie. I get that. I didn't enjoy the other two. And then now this.
01:16:34
Speaker
Like, what is going on? He needs, and it's a start of a new trilogy. I can't get behind that. No, it's just Believer. I'm pretty sure he's not behind the second one, and I doubt they're gonna do the second one. I hope not. Ryan said Believer seemed like a bad sci-fi movie. Oh, that is, wow, you ripped it. I know, I know. I love Ryan's hot takes, even though it was an accurate take, but he has some funny opinions. Yeah, even people would call it maybe hazards. Definitely.
01:17:04
Speaker
I know that was cheesy. I've got so many. Civil War is good. I love the Civil War. Yeah, I love the Civil War. It was I saw that by myself. Yeah. Thanks for rubbing it in. I actually want to go see that second time. Like I actually really enjoyed it. I saw Monkey Man a second time immediately after Civil War. Really? Yeah. That's Monkey Man so far is my favorite movie of the year for sure.
01:17:38
Speaker
take a look back real quick, but I've been watching a lot of awesome new stuff lately. I shouldn't say a lot because we're fairly, we're not too far into the year. Yeah, but still. Yeah, I should say the ones I'm checking out that are from years ago. Well, we know Dune 2 is your favorite of the year so far. Yeah. Okay, you guys got me. Dune 4 2 and I hope it freaking sweeps the eye. I think it will. I think it will.
01:18:06
Speaker
Yeah, mine's Civil War so far. Everything else I've watched this year is pretty good. I really loved it. And then right after Civil War, oh, I watched Elysium for the first time. Really? Neil. Oh, nothing. Yep. And did you watch Elysium? Yeah. A spider on there is Joel from Civil War.
Discussion on 'Elysium' and Actor Wagner Mora
01:18:22
Speaker
I didn't know that was Pablo Escobar from Narcos.
01:18:24
Speaker
What's I can't remember his last name now. Uh, Wagner Mora. Yes. Yes. I love him. Other things. I haven't watched. I've seen him pop up in other things. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. He's, he's really good. Like you almost don't recognize him. I had to look him up and like, I didn't recognize him as spider. I had, I didn't recognize him as Pablo Escobar. I was like, he looks so familiar to me and then I looked it up and I was like, he's all of these people that I really like. He's really good in Narcos. And.
01:18:54
Speaker
Ashley and I both I forgot to mention Ashley and I went to something recently together the new Abigail will be from Some of our favorites radio. Yep. That was such a fun one to sum it up It's probably a sister to ready or not. So if you guys are a fan of ready or not, please please check it out They have this horror comedy thing in a chokehold right now
01:19:17
Speaker
I really enjoy their whole feel and what they're doing. I don't care if they keep on doing it. It's all good. Same stuff. It's all good. Some people are wondering if that will tire out. But honestly, with me, my opinion, I keep
Excitement for Upcoming Horror-Comedy
01:19:31
Speaker
it coming. I loved it too. They actually described it themselves as ready or not on steroids. There we go. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I would say the same thing. It was so fun. Even the feel of it just feels like you're not even though like they kind of
01:19:47
Speaker
Honored regular night at a couple parts. I'm not spoiling anything but yeah, you know kind of and it was Angus clouds And yes Angus clouds last movie rest in peace personally taking away way too soon, but Ashley should should we cover that? I think we should because it was so fun and the dialogue was hilarious and there's so many points I need to bring up so we can laugh about him again All right. Yeah. No, maybe we should cover that for you guys. It might be a little later on. We'll try and
01:20:17
Speaker
keep up on your releases in the future.
01:20:19
Speaker
Yeah, as we talked about a little bit in the intro, Eric is going to be taking more of a backseat, be our producer on some episodes. I'm going to be departing for a little bit and that's why we got Ashley here now to take over with Hunter and, and keep you guys full of content. Definitely entertained. Yeah. Yeah. We want to keep giving you guys content and you know, life things happen and we're, we're committed to this stuff still. So we're just making it work and.
01:20:49
Speaker
Honestly, I will say that Ashley and I might take like maybe a month break for the month of May here. The rest of it, I should say, since we're recording in May right now. Yep. But yeah, the rest of it to kind of take time and like come up with the best content. Yeah. Sort of out honestly, because yeah, we want to make good stuff for everyone. Yeah, yeah, we'll, we'll figure it out. And yes, we will. Yeah. Happy to have the audience still on board. Everything you guys really help.
01:21:19
Speaker
Yeah.
Podcast's Future and Upcoming Content Plans
01:21:20
Speaker
Yeah. So, uh, always keep an eye out for the new episodes and socials are not changed. So as always, they're in the description. Um, follow the Instagram hazardous opinions pod and Hunter will tell you what's, what's coming there. So always keep up to date. And, uh, as Ashley will be joining us soon, so you could talk to her to, uh, join the discord and you can chat with us live and indirect. So yeah, please reach out anything you guys got.
01:21:48
Speaker
Yep. Some recommendations we don't want us to talk about anything. Yeah. Yeah. And honestly, we've talked about it too. We are going to be, we pry ourselves in loving new content as well as revisiting old content and finding new old content. So we will, we'll cover a bunch of stuff for you guys and make sure like we really cover it because that's what we look for in pods like right after the theater. Okay.
01:22:17
Speaker
episode you know please break it down for me or with me you know yep we'll try and do that stuff for you guys yeah you guys got anything else I don't think that I do thanks for listening I'm glad to be a part of the pod now you guys are gonna have fun at least I hope yeah yes and there might be more hazardous opinions on hazardous so yeah don't worry oh count on it
01:22:46
Speaker
Just kidding. I don't trust her. That's what I'm saying right now. She's not going to be as nice as Hunter and Eric. She's going to hurt my feelings with my favorite jazz movies. And we will really miss Andy and Eric for being on a little bit of life adventures.
01:23:06
Speaker
Yeah, we'll keep you in our thoughts and you will still be in the movies with us. Don't worry. Yep. Yep. You guys will probably still hear from Eric a little more than me, but yeah. Yeah. So yeah, just keep an eye on the Instagram and keep your notification bell, I guess, whatever they have nowadays on platforms on and wait for the next episode, which will be coming eventually. Or if you put it on silent and vibrate, if you're that type of person, you can do that.
01:23:34
Speaker
Just check periodically if you posted anything. Yeah, just obsessively check every day. We will see you guys next time. Thank you everyone for listening. Bye. Bye.