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Alien (1979)
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Introduction to 'Hazardous Opinions'
00:00:17
Speaker
Welcome back to hazardous opinions. I am Hunter and I am with my gracious hosts, Andy and Eric. Right. Hello.
Exploring 'Alien' and Teaser for 'Alien Romulus'
00:00:33
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And today we'll be covering alien. That is from the year 1979.
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and it's a horror sci-fi. So hopefully it's a blend of what you guys look for because it is kind of a blend of what we look for in movies. So yeah.
00:00:56
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Indeed, indeed. Well timed as well, because Hunter just sent us the teaser info for Alien Romulus. But yeah, this one directed by Ridley Scott, of course, the great alien director.
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starring Sigourney Weaver kind of early in her career, Tom Skerritt, John Hurt, Veronica Cartwright, and motherfucking Bilbo Baggins himself, Ian Holm. Awesome crew here kind of in their early stages of their career for some and later for others. You can watch this one on Hulu or Peacock. And for those of you that haven't seen Alien yet or haven't seen it in a while, what are you doing?
Plot Summary and Streaming Info of 'Alien'
00:01:39
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Basically, the crew of the commercial spaceship, the Distromo, is on its way home with some cargo in deep space, and they pick up a distress call on an abandoned moon.
00:01:54
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by company regulation for some reason, they have to respond to this distress call. So they go down to check it out and a fucking face hugger jumps on one of the crew. The robot on board decides to ignore the regulation about quarantine for good reason that we'll get into and a little bit of an outbreak breaks on the ship starring the xenomorph. So what do you guys give this movie a 10?
00:02:24
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Eric, what'd you think?
Ratings and Reception of 'Alien'
00:02:26
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This was a good movie. I'm going to give it a solid eight out of 10. There's a lot of. I want to see how I put this without insulting anybody. I also really love this movie, but like it's also outdated horror, so I actually found it like really funny. So let's just. Let's put it at that I.
00:02:54
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Yeah, it was, it was cool to see the xenomorphs, xenomorphs. I really love the whole universe that this Ridley Scott has created in this realm. Yeah. Yeah. And like judging from the year in 1979, and this kind of coincides with my thoughts about Star Wars being in the seventies as well.
00:03:19
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with viewing Star Wars and seeing the Star Wars movies and products that they're coming out with now and with our technology that we have now. It is very evident, the comparisons, but also you do have to look at traditional things like story, right?
00:03:39
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Honestly, with this alien, I felt somewhat like you did, Eric. I felt like it was a little dated horror because obviously we weren't we weren't even kids or anything like going to the theater to see this stuff, right? Like this was before we were born and twice our age. Yeah, I was going to say twice over.
00:04:07
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Exactly, exactly. Yeah, so it's I can see why people hold it in very high regard.
Xenomorph Design and Influence
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Honestly, my overall rating for this would be a 6.5. Just a little behind Eric. I I appreciate it. I appreciate the origin of the xenomorph coming from this movie and the
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claustrophobic thriller that it is in a spaceship with an alien trapped inside as well as you. So, and like I've seen plenty of mixtures and interpretations of this same story nowadays with updated movies and everything. I feel like it did very well and you can see the bones
00:05:04
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in this movie that other modern movies use. Definitely. So like I appreciate it for that. I appreciate seeing the xenomorph creation for the first time. Like what a wow factor for everybody. It's so iconic and I can't even describe why it's iconic because there can be so many interpretations of aliens.
00:05:30
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like alien species, but this interpretation and just how the xenomorph works and how it looks, wow, like that blows me away. And some of the characters you can latch onto, but I don't know, just overall, I gotta give it a 6.5.
00:05:52
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Okay, okay. I had some of the same worries as you guys going into this. I was like, okay, it's been a couple years since I've had my last rewatch Alien. I was wondering if it was going to hold up to the standards I put it at. But yeah, this, this movie is very claustrophobic, slimy,
Crew Dynamics and Corporate Betrayal
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spooky, very,
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feline at times. And I honestly do think it still holds up. This movie is probably around a 9.4 for me. It's still one of my favorite horrors of all time. Oh, wow.
00:06:52
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Yeah, I'm obviously not the same boat as you guys think in this movie. There is a lot of stuff that is dated, but I don't know. I just got the love for this movie. Yeah, no, that's amazing. Like, especially when it's kind of like a very surreal, special feeling when you have this connection to a movie that took place before you, if that makes sense.
00:07:24
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Like even before you were born, before you were a person, but you can, you can still latch onto it. Yeah. Yeah. Aliens. Just one of those series. I grew up with it. It's, it's just stuck with me. Amazing.
00:07:42
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Yeah, well probably a lot of nostalgia hanging on this one, but yeah, I think it still holds up There's there's obviously some things that could do better if it was made today Obviously the tech did not turn out the way that they were predicting It's very funny to go back into but it gives you a cool like retro feel a little bit and then like some of the scenes with the alien you're like, okay, that's that's a guy in a suit but
00:08:12
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Yeah, I think it holds up for the most part in a lot of aspects. It does, it does. Yeah, even the quality that I was watching it on Hulu, it was a very good quality, even though I didn't have a 4K version of it sitting somewhere and popping it in or anything like that. Yeah, no, I agree. I do with that. And starting at the beginning,
00:08:41
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It's it's really like funny because you you kind of envision all right. Star Wars like because it's very sci fi with the like ship coming. Mm hmm. Overhead very slowly and you're thinking, oh, that's a star just star destroyer or something like that. Right. Yeah.
00:09:07
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It's kind of funny that you get in that feeling and the whole outcome of this movie is way different from what Star Wars is.
00:09:18
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I like with that that they, they emphasize several times throughout the movie, like we're commercial people. We're literally just like wage workers getting paid to be here. So they don't have like standard weapons. It's not like an outfitted ship for these kinds of things. We're just transporting stuff. So it, uh, it really sucks for them when they do get into the situation. They're like, we're not trained for this.
00:09:41
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No. Yeah. Like, especially like on their mission of what, what do they collect iron ore? Is it from other planets? Yeah. I think it was like, it was some sort of mineral that they're transporting back. Yeah. Yeah. And like as a transport, you don't think, Oh, you're going to have to be on the offensive or, or even defensive really. It's just kind of like, yeah, just a straight mission.
00:10:10
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you get what you came for, take it back. But yeah, some wrenches are thrown into the whole system. Yeah, they get a
00:10:26
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They get a signs of life signal coming in on their scanner and by company policy, they have to go investigate any life forms.
00:10:42
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I was thinking at that time, it's like, would you like abide by company policy? Like not knowing how this movie ends up going, like how would you actually just like abide by company policy by investigating every life form? I'm like, I get the curiosity, but like, would you actually think that any life form that you encounter is not going to be super deadly?
00:11:09
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It was a distress call was there. Oh, it was a distress call. I thought it was just like a signs of life thing. No, they got a call and the mother originally decrypted it as a distress distress call. And I liked it. I guess not really a sign because you can't. There wasn't really a showy way for it, but you kind of find out later mother was working against him. So it's like, oh, yeah, probably actually faked that it was a distress call.
00:11:39
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Yeah, yeah, definitely. And you can you can understand the scientific curiosity of it compared to some of the like the operators and just mechanics on the ship and the scientists like Ripley and also
00:12:00
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Gosh, what's his name? Ash, right? Ash. He's the scientific guy. So you can understand the curiosity there, but yeah, at the same time, why, why is that a company policy to check out every life form when all you're doing is trying to get these raw materials?
00:12:25
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Yeah, you know, I don't know. I feel like the alien at this point in time is kind of like in its initial heyday of colonizing planets and I don't know the full lore of the universe that well, but they're still in that early phase where it's like, you should help everyone you come across because there's not many of us in space. And yeah, no, definitely. And yeah, sorry. Like I'm not even actually like questioning why that is a company policy.
00:12:55
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you know, or, you know, procedure to investigate. Like I do understand from what their actual kind of mission is and the mission, you know, like you kind of have that back and forth quite a bit throughout the movie. I, I'm just like, you know, kind of like, uh, in a normal world, why would that be a procedure?
00:13:26
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You know, so you're kinda already on edge because of that procedure. And you're like, please, please don't go, just go home. Go home with the materials, please. Like, guys, it is never a good fucking sign when it says unknown living organism sends this distress call. You know, that it's never good.
00:13:55
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I think Parker was definitely with you with dipping. And then I think it was the whoever was second in command, I think it was either Dallas or Kane that was like, like, no, you lose your money if they find out you ignored a distress call. So yeah, because they were talking about owning a bonus and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Unknown living thing with transmission.
00:14:21
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There we go. Always bad sign. Always bad sign guys. Yeah. But like, thanks. Going back before that though, like with the, with the whole intro and the title card, it really feels handy. I'm going to show it. Yep. Yep. I'm going to shout you out because I know you love the thing as well. I feel like the music, the accompaniment,
00:14:49
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with the actual title and the title alien when it keeps forming, when it keeps rolling through the credits, where like the letters are forming. I love that it stays there for a while. And the ominous nature of it is amplified by the score, thankfully. And you know, like danger is just around the corner.
00:15:18
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I am, I'm glad you noticed that. Cause I like, that was one of my first thoughts when I was watching this, uh, for the intro, I was like, damn, that score is tight. And also I was waiting for kind of like a crescendo, like the thing has with their title sequence and you just don't get it. It's just, it's just ominous and super quiet. Yeah. Is it, is it opens on those credits? Yeah, voting.
00:15:45
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Yeah, definitely. And like getting onto the structure of the ship, it's like, I'm just kind of like following from the title card and then it goes onto the ship and it shows quite a bit of the rooms in the ship and you know, where we're going to be based at for the rest of the movie. And it's very detailed in structure.
00:16:14
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of the whole set design. And you kind of get a sense, oh, it's kind of like a Star Wars and New Hope in a way with being on the ship. And I felt like it was elevated from the Rebel ship in Star Wars and New Hope when you first get there. I feel like it's a lot more detailed and a lot of thought went into it.
00:16:44
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Thankfully, I mean, Star Wars is a, it's iconic with the opening being on the ship and everything. But yeah, it like, I kind of like this quiet kind of, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? Uh, tour, tour of the ship. There we go.
00:17:03
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Yeah. Well, uh, MTV cribs showing off the ship. Yeah. Let me show you my crib. Yeah. I also like just how slow this movie progresses too. It's back when horror didn't have to kill someone so quick. Like you get to the exact scene pretty quick and I'll swing back to touch on that more.
00:17:30
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I think I was counting it and I don't think anyone died to at least like an hour, 10 minutes of this movie. And this movie is not long, it's under two hours. And that's pretty cool for it to like have such a huge buildup and then it's just action that lasts like half hour.
00:17:49
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Yeah, yeah, agreed. It really takes its sweet time. And that's, that's a lot of what I love about it actually, is kind of the tension underneath. And
00:18:05
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On the outside, you can kind of see it as a normal sci-fi story. And then you kind of get that horror really like dabbled in there and you're kind of, you're feeling it in the background and then it comes to the forefront. And, you know, obviously we'll get to those, those parts, but yeah, it's kind of like a, there's an underlying feeling the whole time through the beginning.
00:18:36
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where you think, okay, something about this isn't right, and the story's gotta progress somewhere. Yeah. Yeah, so I definitely agree.
00:18:49
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I, uh, for these, these egg sacks, uh, I can't remember if they have an official name, uh, with the little face huggers sleeping inside. I just love that almost every alien movie has to give us a shot of someone looking inside the fucking egg that opens. What are you doing? Are you serious? I know, I know. Yeah, I see what's inside.
00:19:10
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I wonder what's inside this weird slimy egg sac thing. I mean, if you see an egg open in front of you, would you not look inside? A mysterious egg? Alien planet with a distress signal? Hell no.
00:19:26
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Yeah. I mean, you probably wouldn't be in that situation in the first place, but I mean, say you've done this millions of times, right? You've investigated an alien planet. So you find this egg and then it opens. You're going to look inside it. Guys, I pretty much have that in my notes. Like, you know, should we skip ahead to that part where like the eggs are found?
Suspense and Horror Elements in 'Alien'
00:19:54
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We're already here, yeah. Okay, we're already here. Yeah, we get some introductions to the crew, give everyone's personalities for a bit. But yeah, let's swing back to those and do the execs. Okay, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. You, uh, I really like how they did that where it kind of, it really feels real with like an organism, like kind of slowly moving in the egg.
00:20:21
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And then yeah, yes. What is up with all these fucking movies dealing with the xenomorph that this egg slowly pops open and you're like, Oh yeah, I'm going to put my face like right above this fucking opening. It's like, it's the way it's designed. It's like almost has a captivating
00:20:47
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like essence to it right yeah like the whole way you love it right but like it's like that's how that's how they propagate right they they basically i mean well we'll get into that but like the way they propagate is by finding other life forms right they entice them
00:21:07
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with this opening glowy egg, right? Yeah, so like I think it has like some sort of like it maybe it hijacks our lizard brain or something that we just have to look into it. I would like I would really like to see a clip in Romulus or something where a deer walks up to one of these or like just some other animal as sniffing it and gets a face. We only see humans.
00:21:35
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Yeah, that's true. Only humans. But that's what makes it scary. If it's a deer that does it, it's like, oh, yep, you know what's going to happen, you know? You're going to... True. But like when it's a human, it's like, no, don't look in there. Don't do it.
00:21:50
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Yeah, trying to talk to him. I don't know. I feel like there's yeah, everyone knows alien enough that like it's not spoiling anything to say that the face huggers are going to fucking hug your face. Yeah, I can't even have a technical name, but I don't think they did. It's it's not a comforting hug either.
00:22:11
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No, I don't know it's like I was trying to think about like is there other any other alien offspring in movies for one and then are there any as effective as a predator as The xenomorphs, baby like it cuts off your oxygen supply lays eggs inside you Burns acid if you try to cut it off What yeah very effective? Yeah
00:22:38
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It was very insane. Yeah. That's right. He was calling it the perfect organism because it basically like it's really, it's really tough. There's like basically no weakness to it. Yeah. And it doesn't like fire, but I mean, it still can withstand it obviously. Yeah. Oh no, definitely. And like your heart drops when the first egg opens up and.
00:23:03
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you're thinking like what a stupid curious man for even checking this egg out. And it was an unfortunate slip by him like where he went through that kind of like fog where it was like kind of a thin sheet
00:23:21
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layer of fog was covering these eggs and he just unfortunately like falls through but in my head I'm like thinking like dude get the fuck back up there like right don't even check these things out like just get back it just sucks that Cain wanted to check an egg out and like I love that silhouette and you can kind of see the
00:23:50
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I mean, you can't kind of see, you can really see the structure of a face hugger in there, in that egg. And it's really interesting. And it makes your skin crawl, right? Like, yep. The first time you see it, even when it's not out of the egg, like, God, just very creepy skin crawling, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:24:16
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definitely. And I mean, we all know he's like a stupid man for looking into the egg, right? But like, yeah, when you actually like now that I think about it, like he is the chief or not the chief.
00:24:31
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Ash was the chief science officer, but he was one of the science guys that's in charge of investigating life forms. So I guess he was doing his job by by looking in there, unfortunately. But I was. Yeah. Also, the face hugger like really got through like a really small hole in his helmet, which is kind of strange to me. I don't know if it like
00:25:00
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Right. Was that how it grabbed him? No, I think it went through the helmet because they had to cut off the helmet. Remember? Oh, yeah. It was still on him when they brought him back. Yeah, it did go through the helmet. Probably just broke through the glass. I mean, with alien blood, I suppose you're not too worried about acid blood, not too worried to get cut by anything.
00:25:22
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Yeah. Very true. Ripley had a really good point of not bringing him on there for the sake of quarantine. Yes. I love Ripley's characterization in this, and we kind of see it earlier in the movie, too. With. Who's the other one, Parker and the other engineer? Mm hmm.
00:25:48
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fuck what was the name Brett I think it was the one who just says right all the time and they're both repairing things and you have Ripley like trying to do things by the book and everything and Dallas is just kind of going off and doing his shit and they all want to they all want to let him in and especially Ash who ends up letting the contamination on board as we'll see you later is for his own nefarious purposes
00:26:14
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Yeah, I really like seeing that Ripley is this kind of like badass who really, really knows her job and what she's supposed to be doing. Yeah, which is nice. And like, I mean, it's kind of the elephant in the room, but it's really nice that a movie like this during its time had a woman front and center. And she was also she was also the only smart
00:26:44
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person in this scenario, like why let in this contamination when something like this is happening. You're, you're almost like as a, as a viewer, you're just like, I am on Ripley side. Yep. Yeah. That's what I'd be doing. You know, and that's, that's a nice thing that it's not like a, you know,
00:27:11
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It's like speaking of sci-fi like a Luke Skywalker in front or, you know, you know. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. Well, well, like. To say, but like it is a guy, though, that's like a part of your crew. So like, would it be such an easy decision to be like, no, leave them there? I guess she was doing it for the sake of like the rest of everybody, because she's like responsible, right?
00:27:41
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But like, I feel like in, in that essence, it kind of would be harder to think so. Cause like they knew he was still alive, but there was just this thing on his face. I mean, what are you going to think of? You know what I mean? There's a thing on his stuck on his face. We can bring him inside and try to take it off. Right. Yeah. Yep. I like that Ripley was, she was making a hard decision. Like.
00:28:06
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I mean, I don't know how well these people actually know each other. They're all probably just coworkers for the money, but like, she wasn't even saying like, leave him, leave him. She's just saying like, you have to decompress and like, yeah, contaminate, decontaminate first. And they're like, we have a whole procedure here. Yeah. They're like, no, he could die before that. And, um, yeah.
00:28:30
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It would be cool to see how that played out between the humans if it wasn't for the fucking Ash letting them in. You just see the little video screen of him going up there to press the button and you're like you traitor. You traitor. It's almost like he's working against the other ones.
00:28:51
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What the frick are you doing, dude? Like, seriously, get a get a hold of yourself. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the among us imposter. Oh, yeah. Good job of hiding it throughout the movie, too. I mean, like, as the viewers, we're not even aware the androids exist at the time. Right. Until it's revealed. Yeah. Well, I. Yeah. And and we'll get into that more when he when he is beheaded later, but
00:29:19
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Yeah, I love Ash's characterization through this as one of the like early. I guess now with the Covenant and stuff, it's it's really weird thinking about androids. He's he's a prototype earlier one, I guess. Mm hmm. Yeah, I love his characterization in this, though. So there's no androids in Covenant. There is, but they're they're way more advanced than ashes here.
00:29:45
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Yes. Oh, wow. Really? Yeah. It's one of those weird, like, I don't know how that works with the timeline. And I think they have different explanations to fill the plot holes, but yeah, they're hoping you don't think about it too much. Yeah. Just one of those like things of the time. Like, I mean, covenant's made 40 years later, almost so. Yeah. Oh, definitely.
00:30:13
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Yeah, no, honestly, like I agree with you, Andy, I do like the character, characterization of Ash and I'm glad that they didn't kind of like let it on to too much too heavy. Yeah. And it was not like they couldn't, they could have went like really, really hard into like the whole.
00:30:38
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He's not real. He's an Android type stuff. But like or even this this man is very suspicious. They were. Oh, yeah. They weren't pointing towards him too much. It was kind of just that little. Easy bit. No, he's like. Yeah. Yeah. Like you don't really know, per se, how an Android acts, but he's like very he's like cold and decisive. But you could just say that, oh, those those are human traits as well.
00:31:08
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And he's a scientist. He's a scientist. He's practical. He's not emotional. Yep. Yeah. So you could really reason it and explain it away. Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking the whole time that he was just practical and pragmatic. You know, him being the chief science officer, all like he was he wasn't motivated by anything other than like, you know, the the specimen he really wanted to
00:31:38
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observe, you know what I mean? So it was really convincing in that way. Like I had no idea that he was an Android, but then again, I wasn't really surprised what it, what it was revealed to be honest. Cause I actually, I mean, like me knowing about the alien universe already, like, Oh yeah, he's, he's an Android or they call him synthetics. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:05
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Yeah. And like, it's very interesting thinking about this origin. Or I shouldn't say origin because there are prequels before this, but it's, it's interesting thinking about where this plot starts because it's not totally due to human error. There was a component in this whole thing.
00:32:36
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that let this happen. If that makes sense, you know, with Ash being like being that little agent of chaos kind of that just, that lets this ensue, right? Yeah. It really is the kind of the antithesis of
00:33:00
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How the xenomorph has survived. It's like, it's a very great creature on its own, but, uh, synthetics have definitely pushed it along to be where it is. Exactly. Yeah. I had to have a catalyst. Kind of.
00:33:15
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begin in I'll be excited when we actually get to talk about Romulus whenever that comes out in August, but Yeah, kind of a central theme throughout the alien Universe as well too is being destroyed by your own creations. It's awesome. Oh Yeah, yeah, it's it's nice. You kind of like think back to like Frankenstein and
00:33:42
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any other scientific experiment that goes wrong, you you're trying to do it in the case of science, right? And it really backfires. So yeah, this is another story like that. That's not so incredibly simple, though. Which I appreciate about it. Yeah.
00:34:11
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I have a question for you guys. So you guys have both seen this a few times, right? Twice. This is my first time. First time. Okay. Did you know that Ripley was the main character going into this? Yes. Or the final girl per se? Yep.
00:34:30
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Do you guys think that the movie showed her being the main character, I guess? Because as I was rewatching this, I was starting to realize, I'm like, they actually don't put a lot of time on Ripley to overtly say that she's going to be the last one left. You could think almost the Dallas could be the one making it too. That's a really good question. Yeah, that's a really good question.
00:34:59
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I think even though I knew Ripley was the woman and like final woman of this and she continues on for multiple stories, it didn't give her a ton of screen time like you would expect from a main character, especially in like a story like this and the sci-fi of it all.
00:35:28
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you can only tell because kind of her stances and her decisions on things. That's like, yeah, if that makes sense, like, you know, her not wanting to let Cain on the ship at all before being quarantined. You know that like, very smart move. That's
00:35:57
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you're on the right side of everybody in that thinking. Yeah.
00:36:08
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You can kind of see it, like I'd say half see it, half not really, if that makes sense. Yeah. My only other argument against her that you could see it being someone else would have been Dallas, because obviously a lot of the other characters like Lambert, you don't, I wish I got a lot more
Ripley's Role and Gender Dynamics
00:36:28
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of her. She's very sidelined in the movie and that the two engineers, you don't get a lot of other than like the humorous bits.
00:36:35
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But there is a lot of screen time on Dallas for a while. And you almost think like being a older, I guess, later seventies movie, it could have been down to him. But yeah, then it just dwindles and then it's just Ripley. Yeah. You would think like a Kurt Russell during the thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:02
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I wondered, I didn't look too much into the backstory of it, if they had always planned for Ripley to be the survivor, or if they had different iterations of the script and stuff like that. I do like that the cat makes it though. It was very nice.
00:37:21
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Oh, thank God. The cat makes it. Oh my God. Jonesy Jones, Jonesy. He, he or she MVP, MVP. Yep. And like, sorry, good. Oh no, you're good. I was just going to say, it's like, it's very nice for like a story like this, where you're trapped inside a spaceship and it's not only humans that are accompanying you.
00:37:49
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Like that I appreciate that just like you can just add like a little cat in your good and it feels Feels totally different
00:38:01
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What I got from this is, and I don't know if it was meant to be a relation to, but on old ships when they'd be out in the seas for a while, they'd have cats on there to help with the mice problem and just for company of the crew. So I wonder if it was something like that. It just helps people be happier. So throw a cat on the ship when they go on their trading route. Yeah, maybe just kind of like a little,
00:38:30
Speaker
Visual thing like oh my god, that's a cat, you know, like this is so nice They have a pet on board Yeah Yeah, or scare you half the death whenever they find the cat they have to have this whole thing I Know yeah Jones just Jonesy And like
00:39:00
Speaker
The first time seeing the face hugger, I'm gonna like go back to when we first see it, like out of the egg on Kane's face, right? First time seeing it is just creepy, even though it's iconic.
00:39:17
Speaker
And it makes my skin crawl every time seeing it and thinking about it, like about the whole process of what it's doing to its victim. And I like the explanation of what it's doing to Cain and figuring out how to get it off is one of the most intriguing parts. And it bleeds acid. Like how, how do you deal with that? You know?
00:39:46
Speaker
Like, what do you do? Yeah. And they went over a few different things. It was like, I don't know the way it's wrapped around him. Like it could be tied into his oxygen supply. So even if we do cut it off and not burn him to death, like he could just die. Right. Might be reliant on him now.
00:40:06
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. They're in like a kind of a tough situation where like what do they do with this parasitic organism, you know, and it's it's almost like a huge hand over a face. Like that's how I kind of think about it.
00:40:29
Speaker
And it's really creepy and the acid blood, when they describe it as a defense mechanism, that's a dreadful part and that's perfectly described to me. Yeah. Yeah. I like, I want to touch on the cat thing a little bit more too, where Eric mentioned it coming up on the scanner and
00:40:55
Speaker
So I played alien isolation. It's kind of a another side story in the alien universe. Oh, I played it too. I played it. I forgot. You get the little scanner and that is so scary in that game. It is every time you hear them. You're just like, shit, dude. You felt in this movie, it just like maybe it was just like.
00:41:21
Speaker
Uh, you know, like a Pavlog's dog type of thing. Like I was immediately on edge and like, Oh shit, that's never good. Yeah. You understand why that like mechanism was put into games and like other stories. Yeah. Alien universe. It was a really good, like it's a really good sensor type thing. Like, I don't know. It creates a buildup of tension, which is good. An instrument of tension is what I would call it.
00:41:51
Speaker
Yeah. And yeah, it's iconic in that way. And every time you hear it, you just know that something bad is going to happen. Yeah.
00:42:03
Speaker
Yeah, going back to this, I like, I didn't realize how analog it was because I kept having the thing in my head, like, Oh, when's the, when's the beeping machine going to come out from isolation? And then they, they bring out this one. It's this big, janky machine, a lot less sleek than the one you get to play with in the game. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's what it looked like. I forgot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like.
00:42:33
Speaker
Then it pops up with the cat later with that, the fake out scene. Always. If there's a cat in your movie, there's going to be a fake out scene with a cat. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Bernie Weaver has to tell Brett, like, you still have to catch him. Like, don't let him run off. We're going to have to, we're going to pick him back up on the scanner again. Yep. That was funny. You had to go run off and find the cat.
00:42:56
Speaker
Very good detail though there. Yeah. Where like, why he had to, where like, why he had to find Jonesy was going to, it's going to keep popping up on the radar. Like, and you guys don't know if it is what you're looking for or if it's just Jonesy, you know? So I, I definitely liked that little detail added to it. Thank you for bringing that up, Andy. Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:25
Speaker
Well, even rewatching this, I forgot how fast the guy grew. I'm like, holy shit. He's, he's full grown already. Oh, the eight. Yeah. The Xenomorph. Yeah. Yeah. It was like not even a day. And he goes to find Jonesy and he's fucking full grown. No. Yeah. He went through puberty and everything. Like real fucking quick. Yeah. Like.
00:43:47
Speaker
My God. Uh, did you like grow a beard or like facial hair, hair in weird places? Sorry, man. Yeah. You start to get the baby mouth, like a baby version of the baby mouth. Yeah. Yeah. That's a big development. Yeah. Mouth within the mouth. Yeah. My God.
00:44:12
Speaker
Well, okay. Going, going back before Jonesy, I was just going to say like the whole part with the infirmary and Kane is in there resting or whatever. And hibernation with the face hugger on his face. And then the part comes up where they're like, okay, where did the face hugger go?
00:44:38
Speaker
This is like when the soccer is gone. That's how you set up a great guessing game. Usually movies, if something terrible is about to happen to a person, the parasitic creature stays, I feel like on their face. And this is how this movie like stands apart. It goes away and you have more questions.
00:45:05
Speaker
It creates more questions. That's what I appreciate about it. And you don't know where it is. You don't know why it left. Like, you know, so I really appreciate this part for the thrilling aspect, even though it's not huge, horrific action and blood and gore. Like this is what I liked the suspense of it.
00:45:34
Speaker
It's, uh, not, not to keep going back to the game, but like space huggers are fucking fast and they're scary. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like one of those just growing around the ship again, looking for a second victim is, is terrifying because it's like, as soon as it gets you or leaps, you're fucked.
00:45:51
Speaker
Yeah. Oh yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. They, they scare the shit out of me. It's like, yeah, they're, they're in those eggs for a while and then they open up and that's when they like, you know, that's when they can just jump out and shit, but you're really wondering what's up.
00:46:13
Speaker
Yeah. Can they, can they infect multiple people? Cause it was dead after they found it in here, right? Yeah. I think that's like your whole life is just one. Just once. Yep. Yep. I think the face huggers, they do die after it's kind of like, uh, I wondered if that was a retcon. Cause I know in like ABP, they like just fall over next to the victim after they don't, they don't go wander around or anything.
00:46:42
Speaker
Oh, very true. Yeah. Usually you find them laying right beside the head that they were occupying. Yeah. That, that's a good question. I really, I really like in this movie that they did this, but I kind of understand why they did the other stuff in AVP.
00:47:02
Speaker
where it's just laying beside them because that is just what happens. You know, they just die in. Yeah. That's her whole, like, like Eric said, their whole kind of purpose in life cycle. Life cycle. I think it's just, yeah, I think it's just getting the xenomorph organism going. Basically that's like all their job and it kind of reminds me of
00:47:30
Speaker
You know, when, isn't it? That's like the life cycle for anything, right? They propagate and then die. Hey Eric, very good point. I like your insight right here. Yeah. It's kind of like a butterfly, right? Like you start in the egg as a caterpillar and then you turn into the cocoon, which would be inside someone before you become your final.
00:47:56
Speaker
Yeah, or I was going to say kind of almost like, is it a be a be when they when they sting you, they like they lose their stinger and they die is. Yeah, but I think it's. Yeah, kind of. Yeah. I mean, after the face huggers.
00:48:17
Speaker
Yeah, for a way of like a self defense type thing. But like, it's like, it's not the same function. But you know, praying mantis. Yeah, maybe like a praying mantis because you know, the the the male gets eaten after
00:48:57
Speaker
Yeah, yeah
00:49:09
Speaker
No, I was just going to say that it's just an interesting life cycle to go from an egg to a face hugger to a living being egg and then interesting circle. So how did they, did they, did the xenomorph lay more eggs? Is that how that works?
00:49:30
Speaker
Yeah, actually, the queen xenomorph, those ones, I guess, are kind of like bees because you have the one queen. I think you see these in AVP and a couple of the other ones. Oh, and aliens. Yeah. Or that one starts laying the eggs then and then it restarts the cycle. Yeah. For the face huggers. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of just they're like a first stage almost. If you're thinking of like Pokemon. Yeah. Yeah. You don't go. They don't go straight to like.
00:50:01
Speaker
straight to a neomorph or something. And then I don't know, it's just it's what makes me really interested to see Romulus is how they're going to bridge this gap from the neomorph to xenomorph or protomorph, whatever the older one was. Yeah. Yeah. Like I do understand the like kind of different situations and experiments to get this creature like before the first alien movie, like with Prometheus and everything like that, because those weren't xenomorphs.
00:50:31
Speaker
that were coming out of the people. So it's almost like a faster evolution that happens with them. And it's very interesting, scientifically, if you kind of think about it, I guess. Oh, man. Just the stages. Yeah, no. Yeah, Eric, you got to. That's what I'm saying. That's what kind of really makes it interesting.
00:51:00
Speaker
They are very good thriller movies compared to Alien. That was kind of that horror with people being trapped in a ship and they're against an alien that is haunting them. Basically, you know, yeah, definitely different stories.
00:51:22
Speaker
But I did have the question for you guys. Would you two rather check out what happened in the infirmary? Oh, sorry. Let me rephrase this question.
00:51:38
Speaker
Would you two volunteer to check out what happened in the infirmary with the face hugger and find it? Oh, finding that it's, finding out that it's gone and then going to look for it? Yes. You know what? I would probably, uh, I'd probably wake up, began the table, um, Kane. I'd probably wake him up. Yeah. And, uh, tell him we need to get the fuck out of here. There's a thing crawling around.
00:52:07
Speaker
that was on your face. And yeah, you don't know anything about what happened, I'm sure. Because I'm sure you have some horrifying experiences if you did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we need to go. And then I lock it. And then, yeah, place quarantine tape on that, on the door. And then never use that room again.
00:52:39
Speaker
Yo, bro, Cain, wake up. It's your time. And Eric, Eric, you're locking off that room. But what about the air fucking ducks? About, you know, like I am not thinking about the air ducks. Okay. I'm thinking about like that thing is running around. I don't think it matters. Like.
00:53:03
Speaker
so i don't know basically eric's fucked in this story i'm fucking this story i am the classic horror movie character i am dying probably because i'm not like thinking that far ahead jesus christ yeah honestly though like fuck all that i how do you oh man a face hugger running around oh
00:53:28
Speaker
can we uh can we can we go to the iconic scene of this movie oh yeah which one the table scene with cane the yeah okay yep yep i suppose we should get to that yep
00:53:47
Speaker
So I know this has been parody, parody so much. So it was almost like comedy watching this again, this little scene, but I, I love all the cruise reactions when it pops out of his chest. It's, it's wonderful. Yes. Yeah. As soon as that happened.
00:54:09
Speaker
It popped out, you know, it's like looking at everybody at that point. He was like, hello, my honey. Hello, my baby. Thank you, Spaceballs. That's what I think of every fucking time. Oh, my God. I mentioned that in a previous pod. I am sad that you didn't fucking.
00:54:28
Speaker
Join up with me, Eric. Thanks. What for I, I mentioned it in a previous pod. Yeah. Like, hello, my lady. Hello, my dog. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. God damn. Okay. But like alone, but you know, whatever. I'm sorry. Thanks time. For sure. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Courtney. Hey.
00:54:54
Speaker
I see you. All right. Yeah. That was funny. I did not expect her to do that, but that was funny. Oh my God. Yeah. No. And like, when you think of space balls, like it perfectly fits, but yeah, I, I do love the choice to go with Kane getting out of the infirmary after being in a coma and having the face hugger on his face, then proceeding just to be with the rest of the crew. Like it will be okay.
00:55:23
Speaker
Yeah, and it's not totally out of your mind that the like the whole show will just drop but still like it's it's a nice path through the plot.
00:55:36
Speaker
Then I like. I can imagine like a first time watch of this three like oh shit he's dying now it must have like poisoned him or something and it's going to look for another victim like that's the alien yeah like the surprise of this other alien bursting out of his chest and yeah.
00:55:57
Speaker
You don't want to think about hurting the little baby xenomorph because they're so cute. But like, if you don't slam that motherfucker against the wall right away, as soon as that gets out of the room, you're fucked.
Iconic Scenes and Special Effects
00:56:07
Speaker
I know. As soon as it starts hissing, I'm fucking slapping that shit. I'm slapping the fuck out of it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:15
Speaker
But yeah, like you were saying, Andy, the delayed outcome of the chestburster, it's such a dreadful happening during a light note where they're all conversating around the table and they're having fun. And it's so intense. You're thinking it's a seizure of Cain. There we go. Finally thought of his name.
00:56:45
Speaker
And then you get a gift that you weren't expecting. I guess. Yeah. I like that it struggles too. It's not a clean break. It like splatters a little bit of blood first. Like it's breaking up his red stage. And then it takes a little bit longer to actually pop out. Oh yeah. Just intense. And that's just a long silence. Like it felt really, really long actually.
00:57:14
Speaker
the silence of everybody just staring at the thing as it's like looking at everybody. I mean, I can understand the shock of like not knowing what to do is like, okay, there's a thing that just burst out of his chest right now. Like, what do we do? I mean, do I mean,
00:57:34
Speaker
I don't know like you got to think like humanly like how humans react to things that they have no idea like never seen it before it's gonna take a little bit but I just thought it was funny everybody was staring at each other see I don't know if I like the baby xenomorph like kind of looking around for that long yeah I'm saying I kind of
00:58:00
Speaker
This is what I'm saying with the movie why gave it the rating I did was, you know, I would have made maybe a different choice there. Kind of like panning. Yeah. Like, I completely understand why Spaceballs made fun of it. Yeah, that was kind of a
00:58:23
Speaker
funny moment if you think about it it's like just kind of fucking peering to the side to the side to the side like looking at everybody why why did Ridley or whoever choose to do that I don't I wonder and this is my viewpoint is obviously coming from knowing everything about the feature movies and stuff but I wonder if it was expecting a different environment and it was like shit there's threats here and so is looking for a way out
00:58:55
Speaker
I see that. I see that in like when you kind of analyze the whole scene as a whole little more, but also like when you're just watching it plainly. Yeah. Yeah. This one for the first time back in 79. It is. It's a little cheese.
00:59:17
Speaker
It's a little cheese. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Even for the time, like just that's why it kind of appreciate these newer alien movies where the chestburster, the chestburster just pops out and then the scene is done. It's not looking around. It's just kind of all sudden happening. Yeah.
00:59:47
Speaker
And also like along with that chest burster scene, I also do wish that there would have been a little more reaction of the, like the shock from everybody, but maybe they didn't have time to develop that. Like, like afterwards, after the fact, they were kind of just like, all right, what do we do? So that happened. Yeah, exactly. Like I was, I was kind of confused by that. I was like.
01:00:18
Speaker
There should have been more of like, well, what the fuck is going on? What the fuck is happening? Should we get out of here? Like, even though you can't get out of there, but still like have a, have a different reaction towards it. I want to say that's what I would have done.
01:00:37
Speaker
Yep. Yeah, it did seem out of place, especially for the the alien, especially actually knowing how hostile the entire the species it is. I don't know, I feel like its first reaction isn't to just like. Look at things as soon as they see them, it's like I feel like it would be like in attack mode or like it did scurry away so we could
01:01:07
Speaker
I don't know if I can grow up and do some more murdering but uh yeah. Here I go murdering again. Yeah. Here I go killing. Here I go killing again.
01:01:17
Speaker
God damn it. It was a little awkward. Cheese. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do like the initial reactions a lot from the crew there, especially from Lambert, who kind of gets the splatter. The most because they didn't tell them. I think they told them that there was a scene about it.
01:01:39
Speaker
But I don't think they gave them all the details of what actually was happening when they were doing that scene. So a lot of the reaction is semi-genuine. I really like seeing that on their faces. And don't get me wrong, this whole scene, I do. I love how they did this back in 1979 with the chestburster. I do.
01:02:07
Speaker
Very good effects, everything like that. The only qualm I had at this part was, like I said, kind of just that little stuff. I'm being a little nitpicky with how they react and the shock of it all.
01:02:32
Speaker
Yeah, and everything like that. It was it was a little weird. It didn't seem right the way they did react. But yeah, I agree with you there. Yeah. Yeah. Aliens, I do think, look better in in aliens, the sequel. Yeah, that's a long release time between them, too. I think between all this. Sequel, there's quite a few years.
01:03:00
Speaker
So yeah, it seemed a little more believable in their agility and stuff. Yeah. I will say that this is like a very nice starting point for this whole franchise and mythology. Yeah, it definitely, um, it set up the whole concept for sure.
01:03:21
Speaker
Oh, yeah, just like, please honor it. Please be diligent in what you're doing with it. Yeah, that's all. You know, yeah. Definitely. And like moving on from the chestburster scene. I'm really happy with Dallas.
01:03:42
Speaker
And you know, kind of our Dallas is kind of almost our decoy of like of a protagonist. You know, like that he'll last. And I'm super happy with him saying catch it, put it in the airlock and get rid of it. Like, yes, yes, please. Don't be like, Oh, but
01:04:10
Speaker
You know, we might have to do this with it with that. No, just catch it. Put it in the airlock. Get rid of it. That's I appreciate that statement from him. He'll. So this is going a little bit later when Ripley's kind of the last survivor along with Jones, of course. Don't fuck. He's just staring that alien down when he gets left. I'm like, no, you don't see. He's just looking at the xenomorph.
01:04:39
Speaker
But the, the camera work in these hallways is Ripley's running around doing the self-destruct sequence. It's so tight. Like it's like a first person cam when she's running around. Yeah. I really liked that. And it's a little cheesy nowadays, but like, I just really liked all the camera work there and the, the entire self-destruction sequence of scenes is really awesome.
01:05:04
Speaker
It is. Yeah, no, definitely. And like, since you brought up Jonesy, I'm like, I'm really glad how this movie actually, it sounds very stupid when like, I'm saying it, but I'm really glad how this movie used Jonesy as a cat. Because really, like, he he disappears for a while. And then when, like, like you were saying, Eric, with you being like, kind of
01:05:35
Speaker
affected by Jonesy popping out. It's because we hadn't seen him in a while. They placed him perfectly. It's a very small detail, but guys, small details get movies very far. That's what I also really appreciate about this movie. Yeah, that's true. I mean, he's like out of frame.
01:06:04
Speaker
I guess I don't want to say out of frame, like out of mind just long enough for you to get spooked whenever he pops up because like, God, yeah, I forgot there was a cat on this ship. God damn it, Jonesy.
01:06:21
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. No idea. Yeah. I hope in, uh, in shooting, they actually took him out of the box when Ripley's doing her final sequence, getting into the escape pod ship. She was throwing that little carrying crate around.
01:06:37
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. After she goes back when she's like, oh, shit, can't turn off self destructing because mother is fucking us over. And she goes back and grabs Jones and just throws him in the pot. I'm like, no, the cat. Yeah, that's a good point. Like, be gentle with your animal, please. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't meow at all with that something. And they probably took him out between shots. They probably did. Yeah, it's probably. Yeah.
01:07:05
Speaker
but just put them in the air pod first or the what do you call it, cryopod? And with you guys also mentioning how fast the xenomorph grew, I put in a note to like, honestly,
01:07:24
Speaker
It looked like a fricked up condom, but that detail of putting the shedded skin in there to foreshadow what's next, the growing of the xenomorph, did it not look like it looked like a fucked up condom? It was actually condoms. What? Or at least there's condoms in the creation of the alien, you know, all the KYJ alien stuff.
01:07:51
Speaker
Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that. Just the shedding of the like little xenomorph that he finds. I was like, all right, that looks like a fricked up condom. It looks like a little bit of like, like snakeskin. Yeah, yeah, which which I appreciated since it is like a serpent reptilian type alien, I feel. Mm hmm. Yeah.
01:08:20
Speaker
No, definitely.
Franchise Impact and Critiques
01:08:23
Speaker
Okay, going off from that, when the xenomorph grows, they make us wait a long while to see the magnificent creation that is the xenomorph in its full glory. For an almost 80s movie, wow, this reveal was done with finesse. Yeah. I was just trying to sleep in the wires, man. Ripley had to go and wake him up.
01:08:49
Speaker
Yeah, no shit. Yeah. Scruff Rip Ripley. Come on. What are you doing, girl? Yeah. Yeah. That caught me off guard. I thought she actually got away. Yeah. Yeah. They coax him out by like spraying him with the decompression thing. You just want to go to the map. He's like, I'm going to wait till you bring me more food. Yeah. Yeah. Well, even before Ripley in the xenomorphs encounter,
01:09:19
Speaker
I was gonna mention the first kill, the very first kill, beautifully done. The tail coming down first, then the reveal of the head, then the tongue, the extra little alien in that tongue.
01:09:41
Speaker
like it was just it was done to perfection and other than one gripe i have about it why cut to jonesy for most of the kill do it towards the end and show just a tad more it was like the blink of an eye that's that's what i was kind of talking about with these like modern alien movies like i'm glad we have the effects we do and everything like that
01:10:10
Speaker
but like the first kill was just so quick. It wasn't really like you couldn't revel in it at all. Like, oh my God, Jesus, this is so intense. This is what the alien has become. It's kind of like a, you're done.
01:10:31
Speaker
type of thing. That's why I with with this movie, I do wish it was kind of a little like a little longer, not not too long to where you're revealing too much. But it was just kind of a split second thing. Do you guys agree? Yeah, I think it's really just the effects of the time. Yeah, so the reactions to it rather than the monster itself. Okay, okay. Yeah, no, I get it.
01:10:59
Speaker
I think it works. I didn't mind Jonesy's reactions. It's kind of one of those like, shit, the cat's pissed. Obviously something's there. He better get ready. Well, I just wish like at the tail end of the kill, Jonesy would have been shown, but like not even the tail end. Jonesy was shown right away.
01:11:20
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? Does that make sense? Like you wanted Jonesy to be at just the end of the kill rather than seeing him come down from the roof. Yeah. Okay. So like Jonesy looking and watching as the, as the man is killed. Right. That's mostly it was showing Jonesy instead of the kill. Does that make sense?
01:11:49
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I kind of like that though. I don't know. The mystique behind the how we got killed. I don't know. Yeah. At the same time, the rest of the kills are mostly mystique though.
01:12:07
Speaker
not really show pretty much like Yeah, they're all pretty much just like alien comes out and then you don't know really what happens. Exactly. I've seen I've seen earlier movies in this have more violence. Yeah, like kind of like showing the kill. I don't need it. I don't need it to show me the whole kill. At least
01:12:32
Speaker
just a little bit to like bring more terror in, if that makes sense. Yeah. Since it is a horror movie. Yeah. Well, I think even in AVP, which it isn't necessarily as horror, that one's more action. You kind of get like the slime saliva drips and then you just kind of like it's inferred they died. Yeah. Well, I kind of like the mystique of not showing the alien that much.
01:13:01
Speaker
The first AVP is also PG-13, so they're very limited to whatever they could show. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, even if Requiem isn't a good movie, they did show some pretty terrifying alien kills, like xenomorph kills. Yeah. So that's all I'm getting to right now. Yeah.
01:13:29
Speaker
Yeah. People might disagree with me. I understand. I do. But yeah, just, just a little more. It was, it was kind of like, Oh, onto the next onto the next when I was watching this for the second time. Yeah. I get where you're coming from. That makes sense. Yeah. Personal preference one. Yeah. Yeah. Personal preference. Like I, I understand and I appreciate Mystique.
01:14:00
Speaker
So you you probably like time more it. Yes. Yep, I do. Yeah, there's a lot more showy murder in that one.
01:14:08
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. And you know, like, God, well, thanks for making me sound like a psychopath, Andy. You got the point, though. I like you. You got to own up to what you want. Well, OK. Fucking a Andy. All right. All right. Man. OK, let me compose myself here. OK.
01:14:39
Speaker
the effect you're going for. Give that to me. Give that to me. Don't give me short-sighted. Don't give me preview.
01:14:53
Speaker
Yeah, I think it would be a lot more scarier if the alien did something horrendous to you before you died. You know what I mean? Exactly. That's fucking scary. I don't know if they take that little mouth they got and eat my eyeballs out and then while I'm screaming they start eating my arm or something. That would suck.
01:15:19
Speaker
OK, not not even God, we're really getting into this, but I love it. Not even like torture. Give me show me the frickin tongue punching into somebody's face like they did for alien versus predator.
01:15:39
Speaker
That's what I'm saying. Like show like don't even show me all of it. Show me a split second of at least that instead of a split second of the alien showing up. And then it's it's very unclear how the person even died. Exactly. Does that make more sense?
01:16:02
Speaker
I think it's also us viewing it from a modern day perspective in that aliens out of the box, so to say. Yeah. Out of the bag. It's like, you know what the monster is. So now everything since then has been super showy. So that's, I don't know, it's hard to put that back in the bag when you're watching the original, where it's like, well, you're not supposed to know what the monster really is.
01:16:25
Speaker
Yeah. Also seeing it from a modern perspective, like any like horror movie we see nowadays, like we see some, we see some murder and it's, it's usually brutal. So, I mean, I guess it's like what we crave, what I crave at least now. I want to see that shit, man. Well, yeah, it's, it's because we, we don't see that in everyday life and it is like horror.
01:16:54
Speaker
I don't care what parents of kids say like where or I shouldn't say that. It's hard to understand a parent's point of view. Yeah, get it like don't don't show them so much violence. But when you get to our age, and we're full grown adults, we know how the world works. We know how it runs.
01:17:24
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It is nice to watch art be performed on the screen with actual people not actually dying from a monster. You can understand that, you know that. Just, yeah, I get parents shielding the kids away from it, I do, until like,
01:17:51
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They're, they're a certain age. You got to be a certain age, right? Like, you don't, you don't want violence encompassing, encompassing your life at all. I mean, that's all we get. The not ESRB it's games. Whoever does the movie ratings. Oh, I agree. Yeah. No, definitely. Like the MPAA. Sorry. Like for some reason I was going on about kids, but like really with us, with us three,
01:18:22
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Were it doesn't even have to be with like kids like there's some people that can't handle like The stuff that we're we want out of this movie You know what I mean like the gore and violence and stuff like some people just don't like that I just I disagree with that. I want Don't watch it. Don't watch it. Don't watch it. No shield your eyes then seriously, like we're the filmmakers make fake blood they make you know, it's
01:18:52
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It's something we don't see in our everyday lives. That's, that's what I'm trying to get to. Yeah. Oh, fuck no. I hope one isn't outside my door right now, but, uh, driving down the KFC or something, you see when those little, uh, baby, uh, chest bursters run across the street, like squirrel.
01:19:16
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Hello, my lady. Hello, my darling. And you're painting a perfect picture for space balls right now. But you know what I'm saying, guys? It doesn't matter to us adults. We just kind of want to see things that happen outside of our real lives. That's what gives us thrills. That's what gives us excitement.
01:19:44
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And stuff like that, because we know, we know it's not real. We know it's art, right? Yeah. So yeah. I have one last, I guess, semi-violent scene note that I want to talk to you guys about. Oh, you're good. So how do you guys feel about the reveal scene with Ash and the excessive amount of milk or whatever liquid it is that they used? It looks like milk. Mm-hmm.
01:20:12
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You say it looks like milk. I say it looks like something else. Let's do viscous. Okay. Eric, let's go away from that.
01:20:29
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I like that they does really good about like really showing that, oh, shit, he's not human. Like, look at all these weird things that aren't human inside him. I'm like, on the other hand, as they're like tackling him and fighting with him, they're bashing his head to save Ripley. Like there is fucking milk everywhere. Yeah, voting everything. The way he was dying, too. I don't know if you guys have seen the original Blade Runner.
01:20:59
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But I know I haven't yet. I have towards the end with the dying. Yes. Robot. Yeah. And I don't know why they think like it's like it must be this time period. Why they think whenever a robot is dying, they got to do some weird fucking crazy dance number before they die. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:21:26
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Honestly, like it's it's not the amount of blood that could be shown like from a human in a
01:21:35
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movie. Yeah, I don't think like the milk was definitely less. But but yeah, I mean, kind of just show us a little bit. And you're good. Like we understand. All right. The blood is milk. He's not a real person. Yeah. So good.
01:21:57
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Uh, it's just like at one point, the whole point where like the whole part where he was dying, I was just sitting there like, okay. All right. Yeah. We're doing this going on too long. Yup. Yup. Ash is this. All right. Yeah. And like with, uh, with Ash bleeding that milk and the whole reveal, the reveal of him being a Android.
01:22:27
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The reveal of Nostromo's, is that how you guys pronounce a ship's name? Nostromo? Nostromo, yes. Nostromo. Okay, Nostromo's main scientific objective for this mission is actually devastating. Like, when Ash actually speaks about it,
01:22:51
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And of course, Ash, Ash is right there. As soon as you, like, as soon as you know, something is up or Ash didn't explain it. I think it was mother that actually like said the main objective actually. And then of course Ash shows up and it's like right hand man. Right. Yep. Yep.
01:23:13
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Yeah, I feel like they could have done the unknowing horror a little bit better there by letting the viewer be supreme, I guess, over the Ripley and stuff, like by just showing us, hey, his order's been rescinded.
01:23:33
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Here's the new orders. But did he really have to like monologue that to Sigourney Weaver and friends? I was like, come on, just just try and kill them. Go on with your objective. Like we as the viewer know that you're evil now and stuff, but you didn't have to explain that to them. That's the only part I would cut.
01:23:56
Speaker
very fair yeah yeah and like ash protecting the alien the xenomorph has an added layer to the story i've seen this attempted in like way too many other stories where it's like oh no we need we must preserve the creature do you guys get what i'm saying
01:24:18
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yeah like who who is it like the machines as a whole like want this that gets into the wider universe specimen wait or like wayland wants utani wayland yeah oh okay yep yep all right i just need to catch up if you know the guy isn't alive
01:24:41
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for me like that one will explain okay actually yes there you go eric watch watch the prequels you'll get a little more answers thankfully like when you when you come up with prequels you need to have more answers to
01:24:57
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relate to the main story. Well, they also do. Yeah. Yeah. They also do Andy. All right. Yeah. The benefit of getting to watch these in chronological now, it'll be weird going from real lifetime differences of like, Hey, this quality just dropped 40 years, but, um, Oh yeah. You'll actually get to see the most of the story.
01:25:21
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I think it fits though nicely. Actually, like when I think more about it, as soon as I watched this second movie and I saw that, that ship, this spaceship that looked a little odd, you know, I'm like, okay, Prometheus. Yeah. You know, yeah. That weird spaceship that they like started investigating.
01:25:46
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Andy would know what I'm talking about. Eric, you will see the ship in Prometheus. Okay. The one that they like first encounter and they go into, that's where the eggs are. Everything. Yeah. Okay. Yep. It'll make sense. I'm excited. Yeah. Do you guys have other notes on alien? Oh yeah. The ending is not for epileptics.
01:26:13
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Yeah, that's all I got to say. Dude, I don't understand how like, yeah, it just bothered me how she was like walking through the entire ship and then it was just like flashing the whole screen, bro. Man. Yeah. Yeah. It made my eyes hurt a little bit. Yeah. Like I said, a little too much.
01:26:38
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Thank God I don't have a condition that I feel bad for people that do and they want to watch this movie, honest. That would suck. I mean like imagine, I don't know, I couldn't imagine having that and then like trying to filter your content, you know? Yeah. But if you do, don't watch this. Or at least not the end of it. A little too late for us to put the warning here, but yeah, epilepsy warning.
01:27:06
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epilepsy warnings. Yeah. Also about the ending, I love that a big fight between protagonist and alien does not ensue, but that a thrilling ending include conclusion happens. Then we're blindsided by an actual confrontation between alien and protagonist. And it's an even more impactful, thrilling conclusion.
01:27:35
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That's, that's what I appreciate. It's not like, you know, like that big boss fight or anything like that. Like at the, at the end of any action movie, it's just, it's a nice thrilling ending. It feels more natural to it instead of this like big superhero CGI fight at the end, you know, like a bunch of blockbusters are right now.
01:28:03
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Yeah. Yeah. That's what I appreciate a lot. Yeah. Same. And it also very creative and creative ending to the final fight between Ripley and xenomorph. But like, would you guys have liked a faster moving xenomorph? Did that feel right? That it wasn't right at Ripley?
01:28:29
Speaker
I think for the time being that I don't think this is something they would plan sequels for at the time. It was fine. I liked it. It being a menacing, bigger creature that, yeah, I think might have been in the process of becoming even bigger because when it's on the escape pod, it looks a little bit bigger than when it killed when it killed Brett. Oh, he was in the process of becoming a queen or something.
01:28:59
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Oh, did they do that? They become queens. I don't know how the selection process works if it's just like one of these girls have to be a queen, but it did look like it was getting bigger and maybe that's why I just wanted to hide. I don't know how that works either. Yeah. And I was like, I was kind of weirded out by the fact that it was hiding. That's what I was saying. Like, are you guys OK with it not being too aggressive?
01:29:28
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Yeah, it wasn't really aggressive at all at that point. And then it was like, let me let me just sit here, man. I've been out here eating your motherfuckers like just it's exhausting. Bish, I'm taking a power nap. Yeah, I'm taking a nap. Can you just like can we just chill in the same space? Like, is that possible? Yeah, right. Yeah. Hey, can we just like can we coexist?
01:29:53
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got your cryo pod over there. I got my little nest over here. Like we're cool, man. Yeah, we're all good. Yeah. But Ripley obviously was not OK with that at all. And yeah, he was pretty pissed. I think it was whatever it was.
01:30:11
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like the thing a little bit where it it goes back to the creature being smart enough to know that there's more of this species out there. So it should just wait until it gets to more food because the alien is not going to be able to pilot the ship. So it's just going to starve to death that kills kills Ripley right
Alien Lore and Future Projects
01:30:31
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away. Yeah. But good point forced out. So it was really just trying to hide and wait till it like she reaches like
01:30:41
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the rest of other people and it was going to propagate that way. But that that circles back to the question, like, does it lay eggs or does it lay face huggers? Like, what is it? The eggs that have the face huggers, I think. Oh, I think they breed a sexually gets into like some of the other movies actually get to their breeding. But yeah, I don't think so. Does it show an alien laying an egg? Like this is like a big question for me. OK. Yeah.
01:31:11
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I think aliens, I think the sequel has the egg layer and then I think one of the ABPs does as well. So they have to have a queen in order to get eggs.
01:31:22
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Yeah, like only one one of them lays eggs and then the rest are just normal xenomorphs run around. So that would imply that any single alien could become a queen if they ate enough. Because if it knew that it was going to wait till they got to more food, it would have to know that like.
01:31:44
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Right. Or was it just a individual survival thing? Who knows? Maybe I'm asking too many questions. I probably am. No, just kidding. But yes, I, I need to look up these questions or, I mean, even if they haven't been answered for us, maybe hopefully future projects will answer them.
01:32:12
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll come back to this conversation after Romulus. I feel like they're answerable questions. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. On our next daily an episode, we'll delve more into these answers. Oh, definitely. Yeah. And also at the end, guys, it's totally left open for a sequel. There we go. Plenty of sequels to come. Plenty of sequels. I think there's there's going to be more sequels.
01:32:39
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Oh yeah. Where was it left? Sequel with Ripley just being in the ship and she signs off and it's kind of just, uh,
01:32:50
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It feels like a closed ending, but then it's, it's kind of ominous in a way too. Like, Oh, or like there are more things out there like this. You know, I feel like they, they like close it off either really well that it ended there in both ways. Yes. That's what I meant. I'm sorry. Yep. Yep. There wasn't like, like an egg shown or anything that was hiding. Yeah, no, it's not like, uh, Oh, we needed an immediate sequel right now to this.
01:33:20
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No, no, it was just left open for it. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. Dan, you guys have both played the game as well. But for those listening, if you guys do want more alien content, you really got to delve into the games because alien isolation is a awesome prequel or good horror game in general. But actually it is a story of right after this movie. So. Yeah.
01:33:48
Speaker
Also, if you like real time strategy games, there's a game called Aliens Dark Descent that you command a little squad of colonial marines. And that one's also a good one. I would recommend. There's so much job here. There
Film Recommendations and Reviews
01:34:05
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is the old aliens versus predator game on the 360 generation as well. It's fun. Oh, yeah. Well, that's just a predator game. Never mind.
01:34:16
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You like you can play as there's three different campaigns for like human alien and pretty marine. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was a really good game. And like the the multiplayer was so fun. Seriously, like I'd be a predator every time because it is tough to be an alien, like creep around and like get people. Oh, that was so fun, though.
01:34:41
Speaker
We should get together and play that. Can we? PvP revival night. Let's do it. We're doing it. Right before Romulus comes out, do an alien isolation playthrough. Yes. Oh, yeah. Stay tuned, everybody. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. Yeah. So what have you guys been watching lately? Eric, you go ahead, man. I seen a movie called a new one called Damsel.
01:35:11
Speaker
Ooh, okay. Yeah. It stars Millie Bobby Brown and she is a princess that gets into some crazy stuff with the dragon. And yeah, a lot of action and crazy stuff ensues. Worth a watch. Okay.
01:35:38
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So worth a watch. All right. Yes. Yeah. I haven't been seeing too many good things about it. Unfortunately, I do like Millie Bobby Brown and I like I like those medieval tales, man. But yeah.
01:35:53
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I'm not going to lie and say that it was a fantastic movie, but I'm just going to say it's worth a watch. It was like, it was just good. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Good enough. All right. I'm on your level now. Okay. Interesting. Huh. And it's got Robin Wright in it playing a queen again. Oh my God. Cool. All right. So you already know how that goes. Yeah. What else have you been watching?
01:36:23
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Uh, I, I've been seeing all kinds of stuff, man. Sold on one sec. Oh, you're good. Thank God for letterboxed, right? Uh-huh. Look at that. Yep. I'm on it right now. Yeah. If you guys don't already have us on letterboxed, you can add us with the little links in the description. There's one for each of us. You can actually see what we're reading in real time. Yep.
01:36:54
Speaker
Yeah, go check it out. It's a whole catalog of movies and it's a really easy app to keep. Like we're not even doing an advertisement on this guys. Like I just, I love letterbox personally, just keeping control of what I know I've seen and my likes, my not likes everything. Yeah. It's just amazing. It's an amazing social media app.
01:37:25
Speaker
All right. Well, I'm going to be honest. That is the only movie that I've seen recently because other than that, I've been watching shows like I finished Queen's Gambit. And I also watching this, uh, anime called, uh, delicious and junction where they basically they're like eating monsters and it's like.
01:37:52
Speaker
It's like a food type show and yeah, it's good. Damn. Damn. Okay. And you're not watching fricking blue eyed samurai. Like I suggested on Netflix. Yeah. I forgot about blue eyed samurai. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Get married on that right now, because I know you both will like it. Blue eyed samurai. Okay.
01:38:17
Speaker
Yep. No, I'm serious. I know you guys will like it because I know you're kind of a little bit into anime stuff and I'm not, but Jesus, I loved it. All right. Yeah. I will check it out. Yeah. Good. Good. Yeah. Lately, I think, uh, obviously I rewatched this movie for the pod, which was nice.
01:38:44
Speaker
and got a new refreshed look on it. I also watched the talented Mr. Ripley finally. Yeah, what did you think of it? Oh man, guys, I love it. Yeah. I love it, seriously.
01:39:03
Speaker
Very good. Honestly, it's it's not one of those super rewatchable movies. It's kind of like once in a while. I feel like for me already where I'll probably watch this in a couple of years. I won't watch it again like this year, but, you know, it is a little like over two hours. It's got an amazing cast.
01:39:33
Speaker
And it did the story better than what Saltburn was trying to do. I will bring that up because Saltburn has been in quite a bit of discussion this past year on TikTok, everything. I did watch Saltburn and immediately after watching The Talented Mr. Ripley, I was like, okay, this is what Saltburn should have been. Yeah.
01:40:02
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immediately that that's that was my immediate thought and yeah just an amazing cast and I really I really enjoyed how the story all came together and even the ending even though I'm not like super happy about it you're not supposed to feel happy about the ending really not completely you can feel half happy half sad
01:40:31
Speaker
And hey, if that gets you guys to watch this movie, watch it. I won't dive too much into the story, but basically Matt Damon's character is a young man who believes it's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody. And opportunity knocks for him. So that's all I'll say.
01:40:59
Speaker
Yeah, that one's been on my list for a while. It will eventually be watched. Oh, trust me, guys. You better watch. Yeah. Very good. Very good movie. I'm glad I watched it. Instant classic. Talented Mr Ripley. Yeah.
01:41:18
Speaker
I got, uh, two for you guys. Ooh. One, just a Marvel movie that I briefly want to make comments on. And then one, I want to sell you guys a little bit. So the Marvels 2023, I was not expecting much going into this one. Uh, obviously it was kind of review bombed. I don't know if that was for being a female led movie or if it was just cause it's more Marvel crap, but this one surprised me.
01:41:49
Speaker
I think the story and the power issues are still issues like all Marvel movies. Mm hmm. But Kamala Khan, who is in Miss Marvel, one of the short TV shows. Love her. Absolutely carries this movie. Played by Iman Valani. She just she's the shining role of this movie and makes it worth a watch, at least. It's pretty funny. That's all I'll say about that. It still has a lot of issues.
01:42:19
Speaker
She's also a huge Marvel fan, which really ups it. And I did enjoy the series Miss Marvel. I just wanted to add that. Yeah, I think it's worth watching just for her. If not for continuing to actually know where the Marvel universe is at, because you got to watch every movie to know where things are at. No kidding.
01:42:45
Speaker
But the movie I really want to talk to you guys a little bit about today is Election from 1999. So this one has Matthew Broderick and Reese Witherspoon is kind of the two leading characters. Matthew Broderick is a like history and ethics teacher at this high school.
01:43:07
Speaker
And Reese Witherspoon, very young in her career, she looks like a child in this, is this like super all-star student that wants to run for school president for the year.
01:43:22
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Just because events in the movie, Matthew Broderick decides that he's pissed off at this little girl for excelling so much and convinces another student to run against her because she was going to be running unopposed.
01:43:39
Speaker
Then there's a whole lot of almost American beauty issues that happened in this movie. It's weird that there's two very pedophilic movies that both released in 1999, but it's really good. It's a very comedic movie and it delves into
01:44:00
Speaker
a lot of like uh like high school drama stuff but also like being very funny and it mostly follows Matthew Broderick as he runs into all these issues of infidelity and cheating and are like cheating in elections and where people go in life and if you should be mad at people who do better than you i don't know but this movie was really funny to me and uh it'd be a pretty good recommend if you guys look for
01:44:30
Speaker
wanting a short comedy. This one's on max right now. Just because of your recommendation, Andy, I did add it to my watch list on Letterboxd. I had no idea about this movie. I love Matthew Broderick and I love Reese. So
01:44:48
Speaker
Can't complain. I didn't even recognize her in this. I looked it up. I'm like, wait, that one's Reese Witherspoon. Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. From the pictures, she looks so young. This must've been like one of her first movies at least. Yeah. But yeah, no, very excited. Early twenties in this movie, or she's playing a high school student, but I think she's only like 22 or 23.
01:45:14
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Okay. If, if you like this one, Andy, that's why I was talking about the holdovers for sure. I think you should check that one out. It feels like in the vein of this movie. I mean, I haven't watched this, but maybe it would be in the vein of it and you'd enjoy it.
01:45:36
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Yeah. I think, I think this is a good one though. Touches on some romance. So I think you'll like it there too. And I think it was just
Engagement and Future Topics
01:45:43
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a, it's a pretty funny good watch. Awesome. I'm excited. Sweet.
01:45:49
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Yeah. So that, that was alien, um, for, uh, wrapping out March, we are going to be bringing back to the topic again, which is a hunter. So excited to discuss some more discussions and, uh, to jump in there. Yeah.
01:46:10
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Yeah, very nervous, but, um, I tried to come up with a topic that would relate to quite a few people. And if your book readers tune in. Yeah.
01:46:23
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01:46:53
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Yeah, talk to us guys. Whatever you want to say, whatever you want to talk about with movies or topic-wise, go ahead. Yes sir. We will see you guys at the end of the march and read up. Read up. And watch up. Read up and watch up. Later everybody. See ya.