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Sinners (2025)
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Introduction and Listener Engagement
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Hey everyone, welcome back to Hazardous Opinions. Today, we'll be discussing and diving deep into sinners 2025. A big way you guys can help us is by following us and giving us five stars wherever you get your podcasts.
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Our next episode will be 2024 wrapped, so be on the lookout for that. We really appreciate all of you and your support. Now, before we dive in...
Personal Updates and Movie Interests
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andy how you doing i'm doing pretty good doing pretty good things are starting to brighten up around here we're getting ah rid of well i mean we haven't had that much snow but uh no thank god it's been nice out you know minus all the wildfires we sound we sound like typical north dakotans talking about the weather right now it wasn't for the wind to be super nice yeah typical north dakotan again there yeah yeah how about you Pretty good. Pretty good. Nell and I have some things cooking up in our lives so far right now. And it's been a lot.
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So unfortunately, haven't been giving as much attention to movies as I've wanted to lately. But it's been nice. I just was showing her Pulp Fiction the other night. So yeah, you know, at least something that I love with movies.
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I'm getting into, you know, her first watch.
Quentin Tarantino's Storytelling
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Yeah. Yeah. First watch. him She she's really loved Quentin Tarantino, especially because. Not only like Leo being in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and like that's kind of one of the movies.
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based on our ah meeting, actually, for the first time, she's loved Christoph Waltz. Yeah. that Seriously, she calls him Pookie every time. Yeah, every time he he's brought up, she's like, oh, my God, is Christoph Waltz going to be in this? forterantino And unfortunately, he wasn't in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Hopefully, he's in his last movie or something here, his 10th one. But yeah yeah, I just wanted to show her the earlier stuff, you know.
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That's good. Yeah. Yeah. You always got to go back to those classics. Exactly. Especially when it's Tarantino. I mean, those don't really age. No, no, not at all. And yeah, she just, she loves how he sets a story up and the dialogue and all like, I'm surprised she doesn't get bored with it, but she, yeah, she doesn't, you know?
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Yeah. But yeah, anyways. Yeah. She can have something you don't get bored with. ah Should we dive into sinners 2025?
Analysis of 'Sinners 2025' by Ryan Coogler
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twenty twenty five yeah This was directed and written by Ryan Coogler. He's also done Black Panther and Black Panther Wakanda Forever, Creed, and Fruitvale Station.
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So I would say after listing all of those, he doesn't really miss. He's a big Michael Jordan fan. He is. Michael Jordan, he is in all of these movies. Even though he doesn't star in Wakanda Forever, he's in it.
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Spoiler. But cinematography was done by Autumn Durald-Arkipa. Also, she's worked with Ryan Coogler. And um also, she's worked with Ryan Coogler on Wakanda Forever.
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ah She's a very young woman. So, like, I'm super excited for, like, whatever she does after this. Because, wow, sinners. And it's cinematography.
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The plot. of Sinners is trying to leave their troubled lives behind. Twin brothers return to the their hometown to start again, only to discover that an even greater evil is waiting to welcome them back.
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Sinners stars Michael B. Jordan, Miles Catton, Haley Steinfeld, Wunmi Mokasau, Wunmi Mosaku, Jack O'Connell,
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Delroy Lindo, Omar Benson Miller, and Jamie Lawson, and so much more. Very talented cast. Yeah, very good cast here.
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Holy. The IMDb rating for Sinners is 8.2 out of 10, and the Letterboxd rating is 4.3 out of 5. five Very highly rated. Might even jump in the top 250.
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yeah exactly i'm loving that a bunch of letterbox users are logging this movie i love to see what they say about it and like andy what's your personal rating on it i need i need to know now i'm sorry uh was just gonna say for the letterbox rating 4.3 with 531 000 people that rated it that's a lot that's pretty good that's pretty good Yeah, so this movie is being pretty ah well ah received and in theaters right now.
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So we'll see how things go when it finally gets to streaming somewhere and you know what even wider audiences think. Yeah, definitely. But yeah, for my thoughts, I really enjoyed Sinners.
00:05:43
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I had a great time with this. There is a very, very strong first and second act in this film. Yeah. that is very devoid of really any action.
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There's maybe a few little jump scares, little exciting set pieces, but it's just a lot of character work. And it really brings you into the story really well.
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I love all that. Unfortunately, the third act is where it does not hold up with that same love and devotion into the characters for me. I feel like a lot of the characters just kind of eh.
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And they like don't really complete their arcs as well as I was hoping. There's a lot of meh action. And so this movie's a two out of three for the acts for me.
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I really enjoy the first two-thirds of this. So overall, I'll give this like a 7.9. I want to say the performances are top-notch. The music is definitely something I hope we'll see at the Oscars this year. Yes. In 26.
00:06:51
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And like the choreography of a lot of these dance numbers and stuff are just amazing. The way that Kugler blends horror with the music and, you know, thriller and just good character story here.
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just top notch and of course as we'll get into it there's you know one scene that just really sets this movie apart as well that uh i wish they built on a little bit more throughout but uh even that scene on its own is just bumps this film up a little bit i definitely get exactly which season you kind come out so what about you what do you think hunter So I would say my personal rating, Letterboxd, 4.5 out of 5.
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out of five I got to go with that. It's wow. Wow, what a special movie. ah To me, especially with everything I'm interested in, in film, I think it includes...
00:07:53
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geez, like 90% of what I love about films. It's just such a genre blend. And I'll definitely get into why it's special, but it was definitely a special night, an experience in itself, and just special to me personally.
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And important. You know, that that's the biggest word that I can think of right now, just important too. Yeah.
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So yeah, definitely 4.5 out of five. And I immediately, 4.5. So yeah, okay four and a half out of five. Immediately after Sinners, I asked Nell, okay, so we're adding that to our list of movies to buy, right?
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yeah Yeah, she's like, yes, definitely. you know So that says anything. And one big impressive aspect of Sinners that I can say too is it was shot on film and it looks stunning as well. So that's that's why it stands out for me, especially within modern filmmaking.
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not everybody does film so you know just the i max ratio and also ryan coogler did he thanked chris for nolan in the credits as well for helping him with the i max ratio and just how to shoot on that and yeah i feel like he really took that into account for sure it's it's amazing how it was shot I did see Nell's rating, the 4.5 out of 5.
Cinematic Choices and Performances in 'Sinners'
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I was wondering if you were going to be in line with that.
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Yeah, yeah. I think it really helped to have her beside me, too, for the film. I think that like you know bumped it up, obviously, the experience in itself with the people I went with.
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But I would say i as opposed to other movies, I wasn't as focused on them seeing the movie. Like, um when I rewatch a bunch of movies with people, I really...
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focus on their reaction to it. Like you, you can probably attest to that with blink twice. I was just really excited for you to see it. And I had seen it so many times that I was really curious about your reaction to it. So I wasn't so focused on them.
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I, the movie just, it grabbed me. It did. Yeah. So I was, i was more focused on what was going on with the movie and that, that special to me as well.
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Yeah. i yeah Can we jump off into performances to start? Of course. characters Yeah. yeah um Michael B. Jordan, not not the basketball Michael Jordan.
00:10:45
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Nope. But our favorite actor for Ryan Coogler's films, random shooter films. Yeah. um don't know michael b jordan's just i never know when he's gonna show up in things but yeah i guess unless it's ryan coogler but uh he brings like a fantastic double performance here like the for one the color schemes in this movie are great like differentiating uh as one letterboxd reviewer said michael a jordan and michael b jordan yeah amb with the uh the red and blue attire i really like that for smoke and stack and their personalities just the way that he portrays them really does differentiate them that you usually can tell who's on the screen just by like how to how they're holding themselves i just really loved his performance here for that and yes yeah i i wonder if he'll get recognized for for an actor award for this
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You know, yeah it was really impressive how the brothers were like shot as well. Like having just that one actor doing both performances. I was never thrown off at all with both them being on the screen.
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I really, it it was kind of startling at first seeing Michael B. Jordan being two people side by side, but you really settle in very quick.
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And Michael B. Jordan is so good at being a physical performer. Yeah. His facial expressions and everything with the drama amplify his performance. And i mean,
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I would say it he didn't really do any overacting either that I do see some stars kind of fall into. Smoke and Stack, they are very...
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different i would say even though it is the same person doing both roles it they're somewhat similar obviously they look the same um and they share some characteristics but he really differentiated the two very well like one's reserved one is more of a leader you know. Yeah, one's the protector of the other brother.
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Exactly, yes. And I'll get their names mixed up all the time, which one's Smokin', which one's Stack, but yeah, like the one was very protective his other brother, and as we'll get into, like, they have very differing outcomes the way this movie goes.
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Right. Yeah, at least, like, how their heather endings go. and So I like that, that this movie did a really good job of having twins or you know twins played by one actor and having their two stories be told simultaneously without like detracting from another like you got to get characterization from both of them without it like ruining the other one and it was i thought that was really great how they did that each one held their own space right yeah yep yep i i totally agree with you there
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especially in the first act when we get like our first initial split, the brothers after the, the land deal, they like go into their own way. And then you get smoke doing his thing and you get stack doing his thing and you get like perfect, like learning about both of them while they're doing their their own thing. I love that. They're not together and every scene, right? Yep. That that's what helped it differentiate. The two was splitting them off as well.
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Yeah, definitely. That, that was a very good choice. And Oh, man. I mean, if we start with the beginning. Sammy going into the church of ripped up bloody with the little bit guitar in his hand, du the top of the guitar in his hand was just such a great setup for a movie.
00:14:41
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I thought like. You're immediately like, OK, what the hell happened to get us to here? And with him entering the church, you get a couple of those flashes with.
00:14:55
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I mean, obviously you're like, OK, this is going to be the villain of the film. with remix eyes just red, you get those like just quick flashes and they're already imprinted in your head, you know?
00:15:11
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And you're like, okay, all right, the this is where it's going. But like, how did we even get to there? Yeah. So like your mind's already running when this beginning starts. And i love that. That's how you get viewer attention.
00:15:28
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I love that opening. i'm Just the little quick flashes. You're not getting told a whole lot. So it's not like a true starting from the end of the story type thing.
00:15:40
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um You're just getting these little glimpses of what the future might be. And just done in a really thrilling way, like to open up the film. I like that. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Just, uh,
00:15:54
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pushing us right into the huge ocean of what this movie is. I feel. Yeah. Because super quick title card, which I appreciate Yes, same. and And it looked good and it fit with the times I felt, you know, the the style the movie. the And like you said, the first shot of the brothers where they were chilling by their car yeah together. Wow, like just so cool. And it's already iconic.
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It's so classy. And like you said, the choice of Stack having the red hat and Smoke having the blue one. Mm-hmm. Something like black and white would have been too on the nose.
00:16:34
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Yeah, probably for, you know, the the social issues that this film kind of has on on its mind and everything. i like those two colors differentiating the two brothers for sure.
00:16:46
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Yeah. And yeah, I like what you said. They're very, very cool. Very dapper gentlemen. oh I thought like the suits, I thought the costumes overall in this were amazing. Amazing. Yeah. It really enters you into the times for sure. Like, yeah, thirties.
00:17:05
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And like also with the structure of the film already being presented to us, I love the jump back just one day. and And the overall structure of this film.
00:17:17
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I think it was right for what the story was presenting. And it's it's so easy to follow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's not, oh, here's seven days ago, and then there's all this jumping back and forth to the future and back and...
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Yeah, I like that it was just is very quick. It was a one-day time jump back. Usually, like I harp on those things. I don't like the starting at the end of the movie. yeah But here, I thought it was pretty well done.
00:17:45
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Definitely. I agree with you. And, of course, me having my wife, the smartass she is sometimes, and the... quick quips she has and why i love her ah she she says have to know what it was like to be his own scene partner for michael b jordan yeah was like oh my god just get out of here yeah i just thought uh she uh she she lightens up anything that's going on but yeah i i thought that was really funny she mentioned that
00:18:21
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I gotta imagine that's that feels weird like you're recording same scene twice exactly right if yeah characterizations you're supposed to be on the other side of that conversation and like you know you're kind of going off your own reactions right you know during a conversation and going off your own words how you present them it's really weird yeah Also on the performances, I want to say Jack O'Connell was a big standout for me.
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Remick? Remick? Remick. Remick. our Our villain for this, or kind of like our main antagonist. i did not realize this movie was vampires.
00:18:59
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I thought it was demons or something. Really? From the trailers. i I can't remember. I'd have to watch the trailer again if they ever say vampires. They do. But do they in the trailer? Oh, sorry. In the trailer, I'm not sure because I don't watch trailers anymore.
00:19:14
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Yeah, because i I think I went into this thinking it was demons. And at some point, they just say vampires is like, oh, okay, this is not what I was expecting. So, yep, it's like a whole different. ah shift for like how you have to deal with these then, in my mind.
00:19:29
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But either way, the the whole demon vampire thing, I liked all of them. All of their performances were super great. I love the the twist, taking O'Connell and making him evil, but the vampires were still the people.
00:19:48
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They were still like real people. um They weren't just like super cartoonishly evil or anything. No, no. weird, super nice, super original personality vampires that also do dance numbers outside your barn when they're wanting to kill you. Yes. Yeah.
00:20:08
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Adds to the creepiness, right? Yeah. And I mean, since we're on the topic, I do have a a huge thing in my notes about Remick as a villain. Would you like to talk about him before we kind of go through the story? Yeah. Let's dive into him.
00:20:22
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So... I mean, you know, I love my villains and stories with him, his entrance into the story. It's very natural. starts with a ferocious, bloody beginning that inserts him and the danger like seamlessly into the plot.
00:20:40
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It kind of like the devil being casted out from heaven with being burned on the back. It's kind of an interesting imagery where he comes to that couple And it's yeah, it's like he's being
Character Development and Influences
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casted out.
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Yeah. While he's being hunted by the Native Americans. And it makes sense to get the vampire aspect rolling. The group, the group of Native Americans hunting him, he barely escapes from them.
00:21:09
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It also makes sense that they're the ones aware of vampires, just like Annie is later on in the story as we come to find out. She's very spiritual spiritual and she's into all that stuff as well.
00:21:24
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They believe in the myths of the world and are more aware than others. The inspiration from Puss in Boots in The Last Wish. Have you ever seen Ryan Coogler kind of mention that as a inspiration for the villain i've not but i've seen the film okay uh yeah so remick he took quite a bit of inspiration from the character death okay in puss and boosters last wish and it's so awesome to me and i love how kugler thinks as a filmmaker and he has a young fresh mind and take that resonates with me mm-hmm
00:22:03
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The red eyes on Remick, like the character of Death, they're so transfixing. And they're muted. The red eyes, the contacts or whatever they put in, they're muted and not too bright, but you can always see the dark red in there.
00:22:20
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It makes him seem more like the devil. And many modern films also have their special characteristics that people can pull from just like they can pull from like Pulp Fiction, Casablanca, Nosferatu, all those like classic films. I'm kind of spanning time there, but you know what I mean? And yes, recent movies derive from those classic movies, but Modern movies can also have their own identity in ways. And I love that Kugler saw that in a special animated movie too.
00:22:57
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To like kind of bring into his film instead of like looking way back yeah into films. If that makes sense. Yeah. I like that. I didn't know that. Yes. Yeah. And also like Remick, he's, he's relatable a bit and he has somewhat of a point just like Killmonger from Black Panther.
00:23:19
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The layers that Kugler gave to Remick are what I can nod on. And it's fascinating. Remick is he's a hypocrite in the movie. Actually, he in the end actually became what he hated. And he tried to take Sammy and everyone else away from their freedom just to create what he wanted for his own community of vampires. Yeah.
00:23:47
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Jack O'Connell, he was phenomenal in the way he brought Remick to life with the not too over the top, like we're like you kind of were talking about right away, but he's still mesmerizing.
00:24:00
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Yeah, I agree. I think he's a very magnetic performer. um I've seen him in a couple things before this, and I've always kind of liked his performances, but like this has been obviously the standout one for me so far.
00:24:16
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Like he was in I'm Broken. was really good. And then like I just watched a Trial by Fire. He's kind of a main character in that. Awesome. Okay. Good yeah performances. I haven't seen him before. or oh wait, I shouldn't say that. Actually, he was in but Eden Lake, the thriller I mentioned on the pod, I think before. Yeah.
00:24:36
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and he He was one of the villains in there too, ah but he was ah he was supposed to be like a young teen in it. So like I didn't really, really recognize him. Okay. ah He's the, in Unbroken, he's the main character of a war story that you root for.
00:24:52
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oh wow. So he was the main of the movie. yeah Okay. So different performer there. And then Trial by Fire, he's kind of like,
00:25:02
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He's he's like the main character, sort of. it's It's different. It's unsure if he's good or bad. it's its It's a courtroom movie, and he's on trial for death.
00:25:13
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Oh, definitely. Interesting. But anyways, yeah. In Sinners here, he's just fantastic. I loved his like nuance to it, too. Where it was like, at first they're bringing him up, and you're like, okay, are they going to go the
00:25:32
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the like racist vampire route with him. Right. And as you know, couple of white people that you got so far. And we find out they're part of the KKK. Yeah. And they kind of subvert that a little bit. And he's like, no, I'm, I don't give a shit about race or anything like that. Like, I just want you as vampires. Just trying to create a community just like they are doing with the club.
00:25:54
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So it's very interesting. Your protagonists are doing the same thing that the villain is trying to do. hmm. So creates for very good conflict in the movie, right?
00:26:04
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Yeah. And there's a very like...
00:26:08
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like Like you say, he he kind of has a point. like He's not yes just some villain who's just killing people to kill people. like he's He's got his motives and his reasons and from a certain way, like you could look at it as right. like You're like, okay. you wouldn't want to be a morgan I see what this guy is saying. yeah like They're not saying that they have to feed on people to survive or anything. no They don't mention anything like that.
00:26:31
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and You just don't look at the sun anymore, I guess, is your only downside. Exactly. yeah And okay, like if if we're kind of getting into the story, we'll we'll get more on Remick later. I do have more of him in my notes. But the mention of Chicago and Capone yeah was enough for me to gather what the two brothers did and are capable of already. Like it gives that backstory without giving too much yeah backstory, right?
00:26:58
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That was a great point I wanted to bring up is I feel like they don't overdo smokestacks background exposition and stuff yeah like chicago gets brought up a lot but it's not yes in detail no i think there's one name drop of capone and there's just very light references of stuff and i don't think it's till like late in the third act where they even mention that they were in the war and so i really appreciate that because that was something i picked up without them having to say and so i just like that they confirmed it subtly later and it wasn't just oh hey we we're big war heroes and we're big gangsters back from chicago we're super badasses ready to do it you know like anything you'd see the rockin or something they got to build up his special force background right away you know why he's so built and so menacing of a guy and that's a really good point actually yeah i love that like it's they're okay with just being subtle about it and letting the characters be who they are and not having to just completely go off in the whole exposition thing about them like you can see obviously from their demeanor that ah michael b jordan's a built man yep well he always has been he's probably done some stuff in this kind of world when you're probably not weight lifting back then and taking protein in 1930 and
00:28:23
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especially with all the great depression, I'm sure protein is harder to come by. Yep. He must be an enforcer, right? Yeah, probably. Yep. So like the whole Chicago storyline, like plays really well and it just kind of fits with, with his portrayal of the characters.
00:28:40
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Definitely. Oh yeah. no Totally agreed. And I was going to say also like the, the reveal of when we're going on about Michael B. Jordan,
00:28:51
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The reveal of Sammy's musical ability, it's amazing. at Like in the car when Stack is driving him and he starts playing his song.
00:29:02
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Michael B's reaction as Stack. in the car while driving was just it it was phenomenal yeah that exactly like for real it did it it was like wow like the music is coming alive in this movie like with the characters as well that's that's what's interesting like plunging us into the musical stuff of this I like that there's, they don't hammer you right away with um the great music either.
00:29:38
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Like there's a lead up to the really all-star performances too in this. Yes. Of the music, but all of the music in this movie is great. But they you know start you up with you know Sammy's little tunes he's doing, ah which are great.
00:29:53
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And then get your background score and everything. it just builds up and builds up until you get concert where you're like, oh my god, like this is this is awesome. I'd go listen to this.
00:30:04
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Right. Speaking of Miles, or, yeah, Miles Kitten is Sammy, or the preacher boy. Like, I really liked his performance as well. He was very, like, muted. He's, you know, a very quiet, reserved boy.
00:30:20
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liked him a lot. I liked... Even to where we get to at the end, his personality with a different actor still carries through. It's kind of like that reserved, calm kind of guy.
00:30:34
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Like he knows his abilities and just does his thing. Yeah. What I appreciated about him was that he was a very respectful young man, even if he teetered towards the side that his father would not like.
00:30:48
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yeah Yeah. He was still, i felt, a gentleman. Yeah. You know, with... the With the Jamie Lawson. Yes. Perlene. Perlene. Yes.
00:31:00
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Yeah. ah He was just such a... Yeah. yeah a nice young boy that was so interested in what his cousins, his older cousins were doing. And it's a big staple in movies, I feel. Like that character right there.
00:31:19
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But i like how he was... in Sinners. you know like He felt different from a bunch of those other staple characters in stories like this, if that makes sense.
00:31:33
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I did like that he does teacher back and forth. yes he is not He's not the full preacher boy. like He knows no yeah his verses and stuff, and he does seem to have some appreciation for it.
00:31:46
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And then he also you know delves a little bit into the cousin's world. he you know flirts around with a married woman. He, yeah um, uh, has the scene with Stag later where he's like pointing the gun at him.
00:31:58
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And, but it's kind of ambiguous, like how he turns out in his later life, but you you assume he kind of still stays on his own path. He's somewhere between good and evil.
Historical and Cultural Contexts
00:32:09
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Yeah. Yeah, him as an older man, it still feels like it correlates to who he was as a younger man. And I feel like he just has a really good head on his shoulders. And we need, even though like Michael B is, ah both the brothers are supposed to be our like main protagonists.
00:32:29
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I feel like Sammy is just our even keel for this movie. Yeah. I agree with that. I did want to also shout out honorable mentions for Delroy Lindo, who's Delta Slim, and then Omar Benson Miller, who you mentioned in your intro for Cornbread.
00:32:46
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Yes. Both of them were like amazing comedic relief throughout this. I really liked all their scenes with them. I thought they were super, don't know how you say it, like homely.
00:32:58
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Like it felt like someone that you could just chat to and have like a nice conversation with. And like, I just enjoyed their humor a lot. They feel very implanted into the world, right? Yeah. Like, like you were saying there, they're kind of that constant that you can go and talk to.
00:33:15
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I feel, i think I shat myself. If Delroy Lindo's character delta slim was probably my standout for comedy for sure. In this movie, we're kind of jumping into this, like farther into the story with that line, but Delroy, he's so talented and his delivery was too good with that like very deep Southern accent as well.
00:33:42
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I did find myself sometimes not totally understanding what he was saying because i I'm not used to that accent down there. You know, I wish I was in the South more than I am. him and but him and Cornbread as characters, yes, and especially Cornbread, i mean, jumping again in the story, but when Cornbread came up to the door and was not let in, that worked for an amazing comedy moment, of course.
00:34:18
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it It was tense, but comedic. yeah How the hell do you do that? no And that's why I think this movie is special. Ryan Coogler is special.
00:34:29
Speaker
you know like How do you blend those genres so well in in that one scene? yeah That's a perfect example of what we're talking about. Yeah, i I like to look back at both our introductions to Cornbread and Slim as well.
00:34:45
Speaker
um Just like perfect personifications of who they are as characters. With Cornbread being a very family man, um you know, it's very, do you call it, like soft-hearted giant.
00:34:58
Speaker
Yes. I like that a lot. And then you get like Delta Slim, who's a very like, rugged man i don't know if that's the right terminology uh rugged drunk old man of the town kind of drunkard but he's very realistic about it he's like well i play for you this one night you're gonna give me all this money but i need consistency in my life like i still got yeah more years to drink yes yeah he hey he's thinking about the long term yeah so yeah Yeah, he's making bad decisions, but he's a really smart guy who is thinking about the future and he's, you know, considering his options in life.
00:35:36
Speaker
And I kind of like that they weren't one sided with his character like that. Correct. Yeah, there there's depth and I'll get more into that depth for sure. But the comedy, it's so charming as hell.
00:35:50
Speaker
Yeah. too like my mouth dropped when stack spoke like that to cornbread and his wife when they were out in the field and he was recruiting him oh yeah at first yeah i was like oh stack yeah hold on man like yeah you be careful what you say like mine too i was very surprised i'm like oh i'm like wow Maybe you got the vampire in him early.
00:36:12
Speaker
Right? Yeah, I wasn't too sure. and like, too, what keeps me entertained throughout the setup of this movie is the quick dialogue, the performances, and the atmosphere.
00:36:24
Speaker
The color tones do really help with the cinematography and like, you know, transplant transplanting us into this world.
00:36:37
Speaker
but like the recruiting of musical people and others to help run this, the club, it's so fun. And the way they're recruited is also fun.
00:36:48
Speaker
Getting the band together and other movies structured like this, it possibly would have been a bit boring during this recruiting. Sinners is one where I'm locked in with everything being set up.
00:37:02
Speaker
Yeah. It's not just setting up for setting up sake. It's actually entertaining and we gather more of a feel for characters and the community and the world. We're we're just, yeah, like I said, transplanted into that world. Yeah.
00:37:18
Speaker
It's very lived in town. It is. Yes. Especially with the um the Asian couple, a Yao and Li Junli. Yes. And their daughter, I can't remember the name. um like They're all like little parts.
00:37:33
Speaker
Yes. Just a little side characters, but like, having their two stores and like helping out for the black and the white side and yeah yes people are bringing up and like i didn't know much of this but historically like it's it's accurate in this world actually so it's very interesting that ryan kugler put it in the mississippi delta and really did his research with everything in that time in that area yeah Yeah, that was a one of the things I wanted to say too. It was like, this movie is super like south.
00:38:10
Speaker
yes like I think it's all filmed in Louisiana and like just you just feel it. From the yes like from like the
00:38:20
Speaker
like the communities that they're in to like the the farmland that's around there even to i think there's like some marshy areas maybe in some scenes but like don't it just feels like that the only part that didn't get me fully in the area and time zone was like the accents like you mentioned delta slims i thought he was was pretty good but there's so many other ones like
00:38:43
Speaker
I don't know, like the Asian couple. And then I didn't really get up too much from Michael B. Jordan, like the accent. Like maybe it's because he's in Chicago. Maybe because he was in a different area after a while. Yeah, kind of kind of like Midwest.
00:38:57
Speaker
Like i have a buddy that's from Oregon. And then when he moved here for college for only like. Yeah, I mean, four or so years and he had the Minnesota.
00:39:08
Speaker
He started to get a bit of our accent, even though he made fun of us. Yeah. Lenny. Yeah. Shouting out you, Gabe. i didn't. Yeah, the accents I didn't feel too much, but like it it wasn't something that completely took me out of the film or anything. No, definitely.
00:39:24
Speaker
And like, it's it's just a very nice gradual wade into a pool so that you're fully immersed in the setting and world Coogler is creating.
00:39:35
Speaker
When the old rundown house came up when Smoke was visiting Annie in the beginning, Nell also said, this is all we can afford. Right now. Her little quips just like, you know, it it made the film better for me. So I'm appreciative her. For sure.
00:39:54
Speaker
Yeah, and I'm sure maybe that's what it was like in the 30s. had houses like that, but didn't have our nice luxuries of today. And yeah, the downtrodden, it was tough for um black people down in the South still after the Civil War. And it's, yeah, very sad, really inserts us in the world for sure.
00:40:14
Speaker
I think Michael B. Jordan talks about that a little bit. ah I can't if it's Smoke or Stack, but where they're like, why not just, you know, make it up north or something and, you know, have a good life up there. And he's like, well, this is like my home. I can't remember verbatim, but it's like, this is our area. Can't let them run us out.
00:40:32
Speaker
Things like that. No, they they still care about their community and community is a huge through line of this film, which I'll get to later too. Yeah. After that first sex scene between Smoke and Annie.
00:40:47
Speaker
It went on too long. Oh, man. I was really starting to rock with the music, though. It really locks you in, man. Like the blues. It's so woven into this movie seamlessly.
00:40:58
Speaker
You know, I'm no prude, but I always like, don't know, just cut away. I get you. not necessary. At the same time, though, I don't feel like they showed too much. You know, it was just. Yeah, I mean, they were closed.
00:41:09
Speaker
but I mean, have it in my notes, but I'll get to it right now if you need. the The other sex scene? sinners exudes and oozes sex.
00:41:25
Speaker
I think, I think of teenage mutant Ninja turtles, a mutant mayhem. Ooh. Uh, had like, I had to include the ooze in there to honor Haley spitting in Michael B's mouth, man. Holy shit.
00:41:42
Speaker
This movie, do you want some like sexy at some point? It is. And it's It's not very common for movies nowadays. And nowadays, I feel like yeah sexuality should be more open than it is.
00:41:58
Speaker
we're We're just a different generation than past generations. And I don't know. It's just... It got the whole crowd like in the movie kind of like, whoa.
00:42:14
Speaker
It's fun. yeah you know it's It's a good type of sexy that doesn't go on too much. See, I really really like that one, though, because I feel like you know that was driving the vampire stuff forward.
00:42:28
Speaker
exactly where it has a point i feel like annie and smoke yeah smoke is one with annie right yeah yes there's and just kept going on and i was like okay come on we're going i get it they love each other well i do feel like for their their plot line like their romance i felt like that drove it forward because it's um they had an established one they almost had a child um um but they like they still they still are in it together.
00:43:03
Speaker
You know? Yeah, still a lot of feelings there. like I would have kind of wondered more about it if if they didn't get that intimate, if that makes sense, actually. Yeah. like I would have been like, oh, are they strangers now to each other? Or like do they not care about each other anymore? And I think that kind of just plunges you into their romantic history, if that makes sense, yeah without talking about it too much.
00:43:28
Speaker
ah Talking about romances, though, my wife and I, we were locked in on Stack and Marry. Like, wow, when they romantic when the romantically sad blues swelled and the two's performance when they um first met up with each other at the train station, I think it was. Yeah.
00:43:47
Speaker
From the moment it's revealed Stack left Mary behind and that there was a this special romance. You can't help but be invested in them, too. You know, I i was invested in both romances, that makes sense.
00:44:02
Speaker
Yeah, I there's a lot of romance in this altogether. And I think that it kind of ties more into that. The community that you were talking about, too, is everyone's dating with inside this community.
00:44:12
Speaker
Close relationships. Yeah. like You really care about this community. I knew your mom. Sorry, she passed. Yes. Yeah. yeah And they're dating the people that like all knew each other, knew their families.
00:44:23
Speaker
Ties to the community that they couldn't leave behind in Chicago. Yeah. You know? yeah So it brings them back here to the roots because they, yeah, they have special relationships and I really liked that. That makes sense to me.
00:44:40
Speaker
So I, I wasn't a fan much of, um, Perlene and Sammy, uh, preacher boy, like, Oh, preacher boy.
00:44:53
Speaker
So I did like that part a lot. yeah Actually. Yeah. now that was once i've seen it i'm like okay that's that's good this is needed yeah just for like the comedic element same but like when they first meet and stuff she's just there just shows up and it didn't it didn't feel as natural to me because we just had mary show up and now there's perlene showing up fair okay he's like hitting on her and she's like i have a husband and i'm like i kept thinking through the movie i'm like is she lying is that just like a thing to turn a guy down because then she you know pretty quickly acquiesces to him and agrees to show up at the juke joint and i'm like okay so she's a she's a sinner too she's like not of high moral character i guess if she's willing to so quickly leave a guy leave her husband for someone she just met like we don't know about her husband and what he's like but
00:45:46
Speaker
Right. That's actually a very good point because I didn't really think about that aspect of her character at all. So thank you for bringing that up. like yeah That was one thing i just kept thinking about. like She's included in everybody else that's sinning too. Yeah, yeah.
00:46:01
Speaker
Definitely. And i I love though that like Sammy is this very talented person. musical young man and he's their cousin and he's so smooth he almost channels michael b jordan yeah like a younger michael b jordan it's it's weird and i'm like okay i can see them as cousins so i love the performance with that yeah he's got that nice deep voice too he does oh my gosh and when it comes out and sing wow yeah he he's linked to the blues for me yeah definitely
00:46:38
Speaker
and mike my My final performance I want to talk about a little was Haley Steinfeld. That's Mary. Yeah, our one semi-white. don't know if is Haley Steinfeld actually... She's actually part black. for okay And that's what's awesome about her casting and Ryan Cooler's mind.
00:46:57
Speaker
yeah I think. I didn't delve into her who her grandparents are, if that's her actual story that she talks about in the movie. But yeah, she is a more, I don't know what you call that, light-skinned?
00:47:10
Speaker
Yes. think that's a the right term. But yeah, so like I liked that dynamic of, she's pretty white, but she's family by blood, sort of, to the community.
00:47:22
Speaker
So they accept her. Very interesting like complexity there with ah social issues back then, right? Where like if somebody was, they were considered to have a drop of black in them.
00:47:38
Speaker
very dark part of our history. Yeah. But it's just very interesting adding that element into the story too. And i I just, I don't see a lot of that in stories. So like, it's really nice.
00:47:54
Speaker
Yeah. And yeah, Kugler, he really likes having these conversations as you see from, you know, The other movies he does, Black Panther. Yes. yeah He likes having these big social discussions, especially on race.
00:48:07
Speaker
And I did like that they they had that. I thought that was very interesting in this, and the dynamics of how much is in your blood to make you part of the community and then she also has conversation with I think Stack later where she's like i can't shoot remember she says like i'm more black than you or something like she goes on to his like their personality traits of like what she does that you know makes her part of the community right so i liked all that but i like getting further into when the vampire stuff starts i feel like she's cut so short and then i'm like oh like i felt really sad because i never got an arc for her and she's just gone really yeah i because i think when we get to the end like her
00:48:58
Speaker
Yes, they retain their original personality a bit with the vampire thing, but I felt like she was completely different character afterwards. Okay, I do have some things in my notes about that. I do feel like her arc still carries on.
00:49:14
Speaker
Yeah, i think so. Yeah, and I will talk about it for sure. um I do as well before you get into your thing. Yeah. um saying mary I did not recognize her as Haley Steinfeld. No way. You did? No.
00:49:28
Speaker
i can't I can't remember if I knew she was in this film. I think I've seen her that's in the title cards before. But I was like, I don't know. I think it's just maybe been a few years since I've seen Haley Seinfeld. I'm like, is that her? Yeah.
00:49:41
Speaker
i've just I've just known her ever since, oh, geez, Pitch Perfect 2.
00:49:48
Speaker
Because I think the last thing I've seen her in was Bumblebee, I think she was in. yeah right She was main character there. yeahp think that was maybe the last movie I've seen her in. yeah yeah ah it's funny too because cole pick was like where do i know her like all sudden she blew up who is she and i'm like cole like she was in pitch perfect too he didn't know that and then also she's had quite a few songs on the radio she's a good and singer yeah i'm yeah very familiar with her music career yeah exactly so like she's had that and then i mean one of her
00:50:23
Speaker
she she started acting young even before Pitch Perfect 2. She was in Edge of 17, which was a huge film. Yep. Looking mine now, that's, I think, the last movie I've seen her in. Exactly. She's super good, but she's super young there.
00:50:35
Speaker
Dude, every one of her movies is a hit, by the way. She does not star in a bad thing. She was. She's having a good career. She was 20 there. And now she's 29. I think she'd be. Yeah. So like around our age.
00:50:50
Speaker
Yeah. um you say And now she's also engaged to Josh Allen, one of the biggest quarterbacks in the NFL. So, yeah, she's Jesus Christ. Her. Yeah. Her life is just nuts.
00:51:02
Speaker
Yeah. Almost. I guess half of what I've seen her in is Marvel stuff, too. And yep. She is also the new Hawkeye. So, yeah, she's like blowing up. But she, I will say, Haley Steinfeld looked amazing in this.
00:51:17
Speaker
Like, between the character design and liked her hair a lot. It was very good. Yes. Yeah. Even though she was a, like, standout character apart from everybody, obviously because she is just, you know, part black and, you know, more white than all the other characters that we see in this community. Mm-hmm.
00:51:38
Speaker
I'm super happy with how she looked. yeah like Like you said, yeah. And I feel like she you can insert her into that community pretty well too. Yeah.
00:51:50
Speaker
That montage when Sammy starts singing in a song and the voiceover, super transcendent.
00:52:03
Speaker
chills all over my body during this whole thing the music was in my chest the burned down building to pan out of the vampires and history colliding just stunning i know a lot of people are saying this but my soul like literally lifted out of my body Being film lover and witnessing that on a big screen was just crazy to me and what an experience.
00:52:33
Speaker
it's It's definitely one of those unique cinema experiences that it's hard to match with any other film out there. Probably its own you know unique thing that would never be matched.
00:52:46
Speaker
Films will probably study that. Going forward, honestly, like that. I feel like that is an integral creation of somebody in the film world.
00:52:59
Speaker
And is it's one of those things that it's interesting because that kind of concept has been touched on and even covered in movies before. Like I even just watched Echo, the Marvel miniseries.
00:53:11
Speaker
And that's very much about connecting with your past and ah your heritage. And so they do a lot of like, you're connected to all your ancestors at once type thing.
00:53:22
Speaker
Yep. So like this isn't like... an absolute new concept like just the way that they do it with music connecting you to each person who's done like the same thing before within your line and connecting to your ancestry amazing and i was thrown off a little bit at first when i seen the guitar player yeah like that's a really hard shock for 1930 movie to start opening up with a sting looking um electric guitar player guy yes yeah and i was like what the fuck is going on are we about to like whoa go into modern day um and then you know as they add on it and they go further and further back and they even with the chinese couple they even had some like like chinese dancers out there so it wasn't just like the black community and i thought that was really nice that it was mixing
00:54:15
Speaker
like heritage all over through the music like everyone was vibing in in the concert hall like even what is her name the the asian the chinese wife grace chow she was like dancing and she's like bringing drinks or whatever she was doing and yeah i i thought it was great like everyone was just vibing with it the way coogler showed it visually and i I let you want to be transported by
Musical and Symbolic Elements
00:54:46
Speaker
films. Right. And in that moment, in that whole montage, I was transported to a bunch of different eras and decades. And yeah, it, you just feel fixed in there.
00:54:59
Speaker
You know, I don't really know how to describe it. Other than that, it's just like, yeah, I was transported through plenty of time zones there, you know, and,
00:55:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's it's a hard to describe scene without you know you' watching it. Honestly, you got to feel it. yeah I feel like I would tell that to any movie lover.
00:55:23
Speaker
You need to just watch it. I can't really describe it to you. Yeah, Coogler just came up with something in his head and it's beautiful. it's yeah It's one of those scenes that will define the 2020s, I think.
00:55:40
Speaker
um I think so, too. For film here. The first time really getting to know Remick, when at like the entrance of the club, it's really enticing. It's just ramping me up for the night to be had. Mm-hmm.
00:55:55
Speaker
Now that we know how it might play out, it's just even more exciting with all these people inside the club and the danger looks lurking outside constantly.
00:56:07
Speaker
Yeah. I like that... um is the The what kind of concepts they bring in with the vampire stuff. Like they bring in kind of all the cliches. Yes.
00:56:18
Speaker
But especially the have to be invited in part. I really like that. And as you spoke to you earlier about cornbread, like it can bring really tense scenes into this.
00:56:29
Speaker
The reveal of the rules for the vampires, it was supernatural and believable. I like, I mean, we're kind of jumping a little bit ahead, but I actually like, I absolutely love that Coogler went with old school vampire rules, like having to invite them in. Yeah.
00:56:48
Speaker
That just made for more comedy and thrills for me in this whole movie with just a simple rule like that. Yeah. So like, I love that Coogler went back to basics yeah for this. You almost don't pick it up right away. Like you can, like if you're pretty in touch with, you know, vampire lore, uh, notice it from the first time that the, the trio of of white people come, uh, with, uh, Jack O'Connell and them.
00:57:16
Speaker
they're like you know very persistent about asking permission to come in um but you could you know also see it as these fucking three demons are being really creepy and yep they're don't know maybe they wanted to do something inside and they're just being nice about it and then like i don't even know if i noticed straight away with mary either because hers is so like natural with cornbread letting her in and then like of course you know we get to later and there's like a huge plot point uh letting them in and really like that a lot especially with cornbread and then with uh the scene where everyone's at the door and they're all facing there and then there's a stack and a jack o'connell comes up remick and everyone kind of all trying to convince people to either let them in or come out
00:58:08
Speaker
yep yeah i'll definitely get to that in my notes uh like and since we're here when mary is bit that whole sequence was entrancing and it was i looked over to my wife and she was like no no no no no no like you know we we knew where it was going but i love how it was set up even though we knew where it was going and in in the promos and stuff you did see Haley Seinfeld with those like lenses in her eyes and stuff I did see a shot of her and yeah I always knew she was vampire yeah exactly so eventually I knew she would be
00:58:52
Speaker
But the way it happens is just so, it's so sad. She really wanted to help out the club and get money for them.
00:59:04
Speaker
And then she ends up being bit. Like, just the motivation for going out there, it wasn't like, gosh, you stupid, stupid person. Like, don't go out there. Those those are vampires.
00:59:16
Speaker
it was a good reason to go out and the when the vampires were chilling with their musical instruments after they said that they were a musical group and they were trying to like convince them to come in at first mary when she comes out i love that they're kind of like doing a little sad slow song because they weren't let but also it's an entrancing thing for mary to come upon i feel and like almost luring that they're just so like innocent and they're doing this folk tale song yeah will you lassie will you go it just
01:00:05
Speaker
Man, the way they did that song. I love the music in this where there's blues, but there's also a different form of music that also like brings you into the film, like that Irish folk song.
01:00:18
Speaker
Yeah. And I literally like played it for my coworker the other day. I'm like, hey, I know you haven't seen Sinners, but like here's a song they do so well with the music. And i was waiting, and he...
01:00:31
Speaker
He has Irish in him. So that's why I was also excited. He loves his sea shanties and stuff. And I was like, this sounds like one. So like, and he's like, Hunter, already have a favorite rendition of this song. And like, that's just incredible that Coogler was able to put this very,
01:00:54
Speaker
well-known folktale song in here yeah and like i thought their rendition was so good and so peaceful and transfixing and just like mary coming upon them it's it fits the tone of the scene yeah right i agree i i like all of the vampires music that they do yes There's the other one that they keep singing outside too.
01:01:19
Speaker
It's really good. And then there my favorite is when they do the big dance number and all the vampires are out there um s singing. I think that was an Irish one as well. That one is very good because you get the dance number with all the vampires. It was more of an exciting song and more of like a happy triumphant.
01:01:38
Speaker
right and I was very into Remick's Irish jig that he was doing. Jack McConnell did so well showing that off. It's very good. It shows off the vampires and the awesome makeup on them.
01:01:51
Speaker
I felt like, you know, when you kind of like look through the group of vampires, you you see more of how they look. And the folk music imbued into the vampires as a collective with their singing is fresh when it comes to vampires and villains.
01:02:07
Speaker
very inspired choice to make our big bad vampire and Irish immigrant. Like I was talking about another very, uh, what do you call it? Someone who's think the word oppressed. Someone was very i oppressed at the time.
01:02:22
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah. It goes back to the community theme in this movie where it's relatable to, with both groups.
01:02:34
Speaker
Yeah. It definitely makes the themes richer and more relatable. And you just feel this movie has so much on its mind with stuff like that.
01:02:45
Speaker
And the vampires being a hive mind too is a huge boost in my eyes for like a vampire movie. I really like that aspect of it. I will say I was not like the Bo Chow, the Chinese husband went out.
01:03:02
Speaker
I was expecting, of course, him to get it and, you know, some of the other minor characters. But I was not expecting O'Connell to come back with the entire crowd of everyone that left. I know. i was like, oh.
01:03:13
Speaker
Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah. No, I love that. It's like this whole town is going to run out of young people. Right. And I mean, okay we'll get to it right now. Stacks death.
01:03:24
Speaker
yeah incredibly done and i felt the weight of it haley's performance was just as incredible as like the death i felt like i can't remember the exact line but oh we're gonna kill you all like holy shit that that was creepy yeah you know haley did really well with that and It was just very natural. And I, for some reason going into the movie, in the plot, I thought that Stack and Smoke would be the vampires.
01:04:01
Speaker
See I knew I've seen the trailers because they kept showing And I did yeah I always knew one of the brothers was going to die Because they they keep showing One of the brothers being infected But um ah It's the scene where he's banging on the door To get out They show that in the trailer That one's a really good one And then they kind of get you Because Smoke's going to go get the key And then he just bust down the door anyways I know. i know. the The knocking is super creepy. And, like, Stack being alive again was something i wasn't very sure about.
01:04:36
Speaker
And I was left wondering, but it wasn't coming to the forefront of my brain until the knocking on the door happens, honestly. Like, yeah, I didn't know where it was going. This is why I'm so glad I don't watch trailers because, yeah, I didn't know.
01:04:51
Speaker
And I thought they were both vampires this week. Like whole time. And then when I'm inserted into the movie, I'm like, oh, okay, this is where it's going. And then that was a shock to me. That was a surprise. So I love that, you know?
01:05:07
Speaker
See, I like that Annie talks right away about throwing his body outside. Yes. I like that. I'm so glad somebody is knowledgeable like her and it makes sense that she is.
01:05:17
Speaker
Yeah. And yeah, people don't really make bad decisions in this movie. Not really. make emotional decisions. Yes. but Which I like. understandable. A lot.
01:05:29
Speaker
Especially when you finally get to the fight scene at the end. It was just like pure emotion driven. It wasn't. I don't even know like if she intended it. the best thing about me is him and i just wanted to keep you safe but it was never gonna be here and it was never gonna be with me those two lines add to the heart of the film yet another added layer is the nice balance of this drama and romance also mixed into this amazing vampire flick
01:06:07
Speaker
They might be they might be cheesy lines, right? But the way characters express their emotions in this film is something I admire. And the performances of everyone elevate those lines.
01:06:21
Speaker
Even Smoke and Annie's Baby, it wasn't super pronounced. But it didn't have to be to add to that relationship and your care for the characters.
01:06:33
Speaker
Yeah. that That's what I love about it. Like you were talking about emotional decisions. we understand those emotional decisions because of all this setup for the characters and and backstory, I feel. yeah yeah So I just, I love the writing in this film.
01:06:53
Speaker
It's, it's not what you would typically see and a vampire flick, but it makes sense. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. You would normally never see this much character buildup.
01:07:04
Speaker
No, no. And it makes you care about, the stakes not just the stakes through the heart yeah i'm gonna catch that one if you did damn it okay andy we've been talking too much uh but yeah like the stakes and who gets bit you know and who doesn't who gets turned you know usually in vampire movies there's a couple characters where you're like oh okay you know all right they got bit but
01:07:36
Speaker
But this one, it's like, no, no, no like everybody. It's yeah, it sucks. You care about the other characters. And I can say i was invested in the community.
01:07:50
Speaker
And Sammy being special with his music makes sense to me knowing there are dark forces forces and spiritual spirituality and both smoke and stacks own relationships as well.
01:08:03
Speaker
hmm. Yeah, onto the the comedy a little bit more, i'm especially with Slim there. I really like the garlic scene when he's eating the garlic and they're going around. Oh my god.
01:08:16
Speaker
I thought it was very almost trope-y little bit. was like, okay, we're doing this. doing this But I haven't seen people like eat it, is the funny thing. And then somebody that like really doesn't want to eat it yeah you know is just interesting. i don't know. In that diary situation, I feel like she maybe should have been more seen on it yeah maybe just eat it come on just fucking eat it like to live you know but so pearline i think she was also outside of everything happening very true she might not be fully convinced yep yep very true
01:08:52
Speaker
But with Slim, he like he goes and eats it right away. And then he just that whole scene, just silly, very stupid humor. But I liked it. Yeah, no, definitely.
01:09:03
Speaker
And o i did want to say, too, like aside from the comedy details in this movie, like the vampire eyes. I love the way they look throughout the entire film.
01:09:16
Speaker
Very good. Little glances when they kind of look off to the side and stuff, even before the characters know that they're vampires, you can see it. And I love that little detail that like us as an audience member, even though we know and the characters don't.
01:09:32
Speaker
Yeah. You know, we're like, fuck. Like they're, they're not even, their vicious selves yet, but we can see that little glint in their eyes. Yeah. I think cornbread has that too. When they're talking to him, that's exactly when I spotted it. When he looked off to the side and he was kind of like looking around outside, like that nobody else is there or something. You can see a little glint.
01:09:54
Speaker
And I was like, Hmm. you know like i i just love that in films where they like pay attention to that stuff yeah i like that a lot sorry on the on the comedy bits as well i yeah i think i cracked up the most at um the guy that's drunk on the floor that passes out and they're like oh he's bit and they throw him outside and I'm like, oh, no. I know. I know. We were like, no, bring him back in. And you know what's even more sad about that guy?
01:10:25
Speaker
He got cut in the face before that even happened. Yeah. He got knifed in the club. Yeah. Because was the one that got cut by the cheater, I think. Yes. And that that's why they thought that blood was that blood was blood, but it was actually the drink.
01:10:40
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. that That's so unfortunate. And. You know, the interesting thing, too, about this, it tries to give open sympathy to vampires as a being, which I thought was fresh and nice.
01:10:57
Speaker
They also get roped into the big theme of community in Sinners, like the vampires do. Remick wants to make his own community, just like Smoke, Stack, Mary, Annie, and all others in the club are trying to maintain. Mm-hmm.
01:11:14
Speaker
Both sides are oppressed and trying to make their own happiness because the state of the world is really pushing them down and out. Music was also very integral in both communities as well and bringing people together like we kind of mentioned earlier. Yeah.
01:11:31
Speaker
Sammy's music brought everyone together. Exactly. Vampires. Right. yeah it was Yeah. It was kind of a beacon for them. And, you Some them there. just like music gave hope to drown downtrodden people back then as well it it made sense to have the music in here in this in this time in the 30s because yeah just you know how oppressed and downtrodden they are it gave them hope and it also gave remick which i thought like just very very deep a lot of layers to this movie that i love picking apart yeah
01:12:09
Speaker
like Like a garlic. Do garlics have layers? You son bitch. Like onion. Like an onion. yeah can canadianion like an on ah Yeah, like, you know, plenty of symbolism and reference and references in this movie to the world of film that people have been combing over, like, ever since this came out.
01:12:33
Speaker
Not sure if it was intentional, but Delta Slim's sacrifice and death totally reminded me of, like, The the Mummy.
01:12:45
Speaker
where a character is carried off by a horde of people too. Like the horde of vampires come in when he like cuts himself and he sacrifices himself and they're just like carrying them away. And that's all we see.
01:12:57
Speaker
Yeah. So like that really reminded me of the, the mummy, one of my favorite movies ever. The Brennan Frazier one. i'm getting Yes. No. fuck no Yeah, no, no, definitely. Yeah, definitely the Brendan Fraser. He's he's my hero.
01:13:13
Speaker
Yeah, I love you, Brendan. Go into the fight scene then. I mean, yeah, even though like if Kugler didn't think of that, that's that's my reality is what I'm saying. a reference to the mummy.
01:13:23
Speaker
So i'm interesting. Yeah, the. Okay. Oh, when the vampires burst in. Burst in, yeah. Okay. Okay. Because I like that Grace Chow was very emotional about her husband.
01:13:40
Speaker
Yep. Because you build that connection early on. I don't think theirs was as strong as many of the other characters, but I still liked that you could see that connection, and she was just pissed.
01:13:51
Speaker
that she said, well, come on in and get me then. And just the way she said it, I don't think she even intended it as an invite is more than just a emotional outburst type of thing.
01:14:04
Speaker
And then like, as soon as she said it, I'm like, hope all yeah no and like my wife said the same thing like nell said the same thing when it happened she's like you dumb bitch yeah like you know like a lot of people would say right but uh i like how that one was set up was as opposed to others yes killed her husband is like this threatening your child definitely yeah like and also you are You got to think too, she she was working the Whiteside store.
01:14:40
Speaker
So she's not as into this community as her husband was. You almost would have wanted the husband in that position because he would have been more aligned with everybody in the building.
01:14:55
Speaker
See, I felt like they were both back and forth. Okay. Okay. Cause like she came over to his store and like, you know, the daughter watched over there um for, I felt like they're both pretty connected.
01:15:06
Speaker
They were just, there were a divide where I guess Chinese were accepted on both sides. So yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, just very interesting. Yeah, it was like, no, as soon as that happened.
01:15:20
Speaker
And like, yeah, the tension between like the vamps and the people was like pushing me out and pulling me back in. Like it was the vampires persuading me and trying to entrance me to, know, and during that fight as well. i was like, oh, man, how how is this going to play out with that big of a group of vampires with this many people left in the building?
01:15:43
Speaker
Yeah. And that's the thing where my rating comes into is with like a lot with this fight scene is you can have the greatest movie. You can have all of Pulp Fiction, all of and any other great movie, all of the thing.
01:15:58
Speaker
But if you end it really badly, as well i'm gonna be left with in my mouth and like so i really love everything leading up to this and it's just this fight scene is where things just go very downhill for me really okay okay i'll let you start with the positives and i'll filter in some of my thoughts i mean at least with the final encounter between smoke and stack thankfully riveting and it paid off for me sets up the ending well too with stack being alive as well too.
01:16:34
Speaker
It wasn't like, well, how the hell is he alive now? You know, it like it does leave you. And then you're, you don't really think about it because of all that's going on.
01:16:46
Speaker
And then that end credit scene happens. Yeah. So I like that about the fight. and Yeah. Yeah. I thought the brother stuff was good. I didn't mind their stuff.
01:16:58
Speaker
I...
01:17:01
Speaker
A lot of where I dislike this, I think, comes with the camera work and how they tell the story of this fight. It is so jarring to me when they first burst in the door um because they start shooting. They kill a lot of them right away.
01:17:17
Speaker
And then of sudden there's jump cuts galore. And I cannot tell who's being bit. I see like three people being bit and I'm like... wait who are these people and then like i swear they added extra characters in there that we didn't know about because people were getting bit and i was just confused because i'm like okay we get a more in-depth scene of perlene being bit so i'm like okay that wasn't her that got bit But yeah, there's some people that get tackled in bit and I'm just confused and it's very chaotic. All of a sudden when smoke or not smoke slim is doing a sacrifice for before everyone runs up the stairs. Yes.
01:17:59
Speaker
All the vampires ran out or something. Wait, where are they going? Are they going to regroup or something? And then all sudden they're there again. They aren't like chasing them up the stairs. It's just very like I felt like he killed himself for nothing.
01:18:13
Speaker
No, I took that away as well. um and And I like that. Actually, i like that aspect that he thought he was doing a huge sacrifice. And then even though I love the character and I hope for the best.
01:18:28
Speaker
Yeah, I like that. It was dark in that way that like it just it didn't matter. Yeah. But you know what? Why give this a four point five out of five?
01:18:42
Speaker
I somewhat agree with you on the end fight. I think that's kind of what takes me away from the film a little bit because I know i mentioned in one of our previous pods that I want to see what's going on.
01:18:59
Speaker
Yeah. Show me what's going on. um And I don't like, yeah, super super shaky camera, quick, very quick movement to where I can't get the image, you know?
01:19:11
Speaker
So I understand. Okay. I'm glad I'm not alone in that. No, no, you're You're not. you're not it was... I felt for me at least very jarring to the very slow pace slow methodical camera work that we've had yes up until this the very good and panning shots especially like stuff having the concert only like 10-20 minutes before that where it was like very nice panning over and then He's just jumping around so much. And then all the vampires were gone. I'm like, wait, they were supposed to overwhelm them.
01:19:42
Speaker
Sure. Yeah, definitely. They all go. Like I told you, i was really wondering what was going to happen because that was a big group of vampires and only couple people in the building. Like, how are they going to fend them off? So...
01:19:57
Speaker
I don't know if that was perfectly done. This this film is not perfect.
Critique of Action Scenes and Climax
01:20:02
Speaker
No. Just wasn't experienced though. And it was amazing. And I love it passionately.
01:20:09
Speaker
So I think that's kind of what detracts from my rating for sure. Okay. i think I think I just stuck on it maybe a little harder than you.
01:20:20
Speaker
I think everything else outshined it. i I could see that, but I think everything after the fight scene doesn't do enough to repair it for me.
01:20:32
Speaker
Oh, boy. ah love after the fight. Okay, okay. All right. We'll we'll get into that. So, Owen, one question during the fight scene that maybe you would know. What's up? Why were the vampires obsessed with Annie?
01:20:44
Speaker
Is it because she was special Because mo or a Stack, he's like, why'd you have to go and kill Annie? And I think even Mary makes makes a comment about being mad about it.
01:20:56
Speaker
And I was just very confused about that. like were they i suppose it's because of the community thing. They want every single person they can. So they were upset about people dying. But they just seemed so connected to Annie. And I'm like, why they care about her being a vampire? They have a hundred more i I took it as that was the only person that was like permanently like killed killed that night.
01:21:22
Speaker
Okay. And they wanted as much as they could for their community. And she probably would have been good for the community. Okay. That makes sense. i Yeah. Like they permanently killed a few during the battle.
01:21:35
Speaker
There was a few stakes. I don't know if anyone... Stakes, yes, but she wasn't even turned yet either. they're They were hoping she would be. Yeah.
01:21:45
Speaker
Yeah. If that makes sense. Yeah. Because they still they still retain somewhat of their there's humanity or you know who they were as a person. Not totally, though, and I'll get into that.
01:22:00
Speaker
um i did yeah like that smoke was quick about it though he wasn't like there wasn't a yes second slow-mo scene where everything's going on around him and he's hemming and hawing about it he was just like quick he's like okay i gotta do it it was very well done like if a situation was to pop up like that in a movie at least it was done that way yeah i like that a lot there's always so many where it's like oh, I got to kill you. And then they're just taking so long about it. Yeah. You're like, okay, you would have been killed by the other ones by now.
01:22:34
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah. I just really liked that. And that the vampires like, you know, that was a little bit of a blow to them at least, you know, remix showdown with Sammy. Should we jump to that?
01:22:48
Speaker
Sure. After the fight yeah or do you have any more points about the fight at all? Yeah, no, I don't think any other things. I do like the location. I think it's really great. I do want to say that.
01:23:00
Speaker
Even if I didn't like the fight itself, I think location wanted itself. Love the club. Really well to fight. So that was good. Yeah, yeah, I agree too. And I mean, when we get to Remix Showdown with Sammy.
01:23:15
Speaker
Yeah. Very epic though. I do love this encounter. Too many movies have the big bad burning up like he did.
01:23:27
Speaker
And it either ends too quickly and is unsatisfying or it looks just not good at all. But this one, I feel like turns the tables on those thoughts that I have about usual endings like this.
01:23:42
Speaker
I felt like it looked really good. It felt right. And just, I loved how he burned up and like not even just his body decaying.
01:23:57
Speaker
ah Like almost a spirit shoots up from him and like then like flames out. I love that. I love that part actually. Especially since he was the original vampire.
01:24:12
Speaker
That we know of. The big bad. Well, right. Yeah. Yeah. Wherever he came from. And just the the setting of that whole encounter. And also, I kind of was showing a little bit of images from baptism with him dunking Sammy under the water. So at first I was like, okay, why is he dunking?
01:24:35
Speaker
you know But when you zoom out and look at this as a film with religion, everything really adds to it, actually. And it's really nice. And like I didn't hate it at first. I was just wondering, like okay, what is what's about that? you know like why is he dunking him? But yeah, no, don't.
01:24:55
Speaker
I just feel like it really adds to the ending and the sunset coming up and then the sun taking care of all those vamps. Like I just thought it was so natural and awesome.
01:25:08
Speaker
Awesome ending. So the sun moved fast. It did. It did. But oh well, it's it's movie time as well. Though too. I never take that into account. you know Honestly. It's always always every every movie sun goes so fast. It's never real time.
01:25:23
Speaker
Yeah. And also we're, yeah, we're being told a story, so I don't expect to have every second accounted for. Gotta gloss over it a little bit. Exactly. Like Michael Jordan somehow making no sound as he runs up behind him.
01:25:38
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. No, definitely. That big 200 plus pound guy. Yes. Running in the, in the water. Yeah. Yeah, I did really like all Sammy's stuff, and I thought it was believable that Remick would monologue and talk to to Sammy and not just bite him.
01:25:54
Speaker
Yep. Because he he wanted Sammy to want the community. Exactly. He didn't want to just infect him. No. So I like that.
01:26:05
Speaker
I do too. Yeah, it felt more personal. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And Remick as a character... it felt like he was a talker actually, you know, even though he could be a little like quiet and devious at times. Like, yeah, he he was definitely a talker. So it just really really fit.
01:26:24
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. but he never really bit anyone much himself other than Mary. No, he didn't. And i don't mind that because of the imagery that the movie gave us. yeah It felt like he was the devil.
01:26:37
Speaker
Yeah. You know, incarnate, like it, it just, stuck out to me and it was like he's leading it all of his minions. you know He was that top vampire that should be the top vampire.
01:26:50
Speaker
yeah I like that there's a little gleam of kind of like a red herring of maybe not all the... all of what Annie said was true. Like she's like, well, if you kill the original, it's not going to kill the rest. Yes.
01:27:05
Speaker
But then they all feel the same pain that he does that Remick does. And so you're like, well, maybe they are connected and they all burn up right after Remick. So it's kind of like that tricks you they're not expecting any more to be around.
01:27:19
Speaker
Exactly. It's kind of open-ended. It makes sense that they were all burned up in the sun. But like, yeah, if the original is killed, what happens to the others? Well, the others that ran like Mary and stack you know still around.
01:27:34
Speaker
I love that, you know, and. Well, they do all day. They think vampires watch TV.
01:27:43
Speaker
Good question. Because like 70 years later, they got to when Marion's stack pop back up there, like they seem very in style for the time. i did like that. I'm like, I did too. Yeah. They're like, yes, exactly.
01:27:56
Speaker
Blending it. Yep. To the times and like acting like normal people. you know Yes. Yeah. I really liked that. That's plus that's a good question. Built on the costume design of it's not just thirties. They had a really good nineties costume design. They did. They did all for sure.
01:28:12
Speaker
And ah was pleasantly surprised when the big action set piece happened with Smoke mowing down the KKK at the end. i Yeah.
01:28:25
Speaker
Okay. What are your thoughts on this? Honestly, I think like I was thinking it would end like quite a few movies structured like this. Right when Sammy enters the church and brings the story full circle.
01:28:38
Speaker
Right. Or however, however you'd say that. It was refreshing and needed and totally fit, I felt, like this whole action set piece.
01:28:51
Speaker
It was very welcomed in this vampire movie. Wasn't just vampires and blood and romance. you get a little bit of this action and you also get a sick shot of Michael B from there with the Tommy gun.
01:29:06
Speaker
it was, yeah i yeah, I just thought it was epic and it wasn't like tacked on. I felt like it totally fit. I kind of felt the opposite. I felt like it was tacked on.
01:29:19
Speaker
Really? i like We knew it was coming because Remick mentions you know knowing the thoughts of the two KKK members and that they were come back. The couple. I was not expecting it to be a whole day later though. I'm like, for one, i know KKK probably aren't the brightest people.
01:29:37
Speaker
Why wouldn't you attack when they're all there? You'd think there's just going to be a few drunk people you're going to kill like three people left when their goal was Maybe to kill all the black people.
01:29:48
Speaker
But know. I didn't understand their motivation for coming back the next day. And then when they knew the party was the night before. And then Michael B. Jordan, I did like, you know, he get to use his his wartime skills and all his guns. And we finally got to.
01:30:04
Speaker
We knew they were both veterans. Smolka and Zack. Yeah. Chekhov's gun finally got to come around because we mentioned the trunk. Yes. Once or twice. Yep. So that finally comes out. Yeah. Yeah. Like one of them, like really early on said, why, why didn't you check the trunk or something like, yeah.
01:30:20
Speaker
Yeah. Like I left, uh, I think it's before the big battle with the vampires. so like trunks in the car or something. There we go. Something like that. They mentioned. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought that that was great. I liked, you know, Michael B. Jordan always blowing down people. And then you get that Tommy gun scene that you didn't see. It's in the trailer, but there's him shooting the Tommy gun.
01:30:40
Speaker
It was very cool. And of the times, too, because Chicago, you had the like Valentine's Day massacre with Tommy guns and stuff like that. So I really like that with the whole thing.
01:30:51
Speaker
Capone Chicago gangster aspect of
Narrative Significance of Themes
01:30:54
Speaker
it. you know Yeah. the The guns were definitely of the time. i just like, I don't know. I wish I integrated with the vampire stuff for me, I think is what dropped it.
01:31:04
Speaker
I wish that they, i don't know, would have came back during maybe the vampire raid. And then you had both forces fighting, but also fighting each other. And that could have been maybe your excuse why some of the vampires ran off and that this little group of people survived somehow.
01:31:21
Speaker
I felt like that all could have done better. Personally, i don't know how I would have blended all of that. That would have been a huge fight and even more of an action set piece yeah if you think about it.
01:31:36
Speaker
And I feel like with the KKK, it's just an added layer of danger to what the protagonists are trying to achieve with this club and community.
01:31:50
Speaker
And when you set them in that time and you set them in that place, there's of course going to be that danger from the whites. Yeah. Yeah. You can't ignore that being in Louisiana in the thirties. You don't really get that conflict until then.
01:32:09
Speaker
So I feel like it does fit. Yeah. If that makes sense. Like, because they're trying to achieve something like really nice for the community. and of course, Being during that time and how social issues were, you're going to have people that want to put a cap on that.
01:32:26
Speaker
Yeah. Unfortunately, does that? Yeah. Yeah. Many caps. Yeah. Yeah. so I do think it needed to be in there. Right. I just don't. I wish it was integrated with the vampire stuff or it felt more.
01:32:43
Speaker
or less tacked on after the main climax. Like it just felt like, oh, our main climax is done. Wait, we forgot about the KKK. Now they're here. And then he just conveniently kills 20 plus men very easily with only getting shot in the gut once.
01:33:02
Speaker
I felt like it was more of, oh, hey, we solved this problem. There's more. Yeah. like always so no I understand I totally understand where you're getting at yeah um for me I feel like that just adds more to the world of the movie and it as kind of an I don't know. Yeah. Like it's not just that one night, one night thing and one off like other movies I really love. I do love movies that take place over just one night.
01:33:38
Speaker
You know, like don't get me a wrong. story Yes. Contained. I felt like it expanded the world in a good way. Though, one thing I could say that even if they do have them separate, two different battles, I did not like how smoke goes out because he presumably dies there.
01:34:00
Speaker
Even though he was shot through the chest and it went out the other side because I think you see it both blood spots. Yes. He's not going to die from that wound. Probably not.
01:34:11
Speaker
He might lose some intestines. Maybe a doctor might fuck it up and kill you. I thought it was clean through, yes, and I was pleasantly surprised at that. should have been shot a couple more times. Maybe. Maybe. He seemed weak even before then, honestly. I think that was kind of his fucking charge at the end.
01:34:33
Speaker
But like the ghost thing. I did not like the ghost thing at all. I liked that because it it wasn't like that they were ah super transparent and showing up.
01:34:45
Speaker
I've seen movies where it's very cheesy like that, where like got the cast kind of see-through ghosts show up. Yeah. I liked that because it connected back to Smoke's roots, roots, community, his sense of community without his brother.
01:35:04
Speaker
and That's also what he had in life. Yeah. And apart from Stack, Smoke was always very more like solemn and didn't really share his feelings.
01:35:17
Speaker
And you can sense that from the trauma that him and Annie had. face together so i really liked that it kind of came full circle for him before he died because if you think about it with mary and stack it came full circle for stack because he always wanted to be with mary now they're together forever as vampires so i felt like that was a really good cap of smoke's story and it was super sad did you notice with him trying to smoke a cigarette
01:35:52
Speaker
And Stack always made his cigs for him and rolled them up. I did not notice that. And he was struggling with rolling it up. And then he asks the main guy that they got the building from yeah for cigarette for just an already pre-made one because he can't do it.
01:36:14
Speaker
hes I love that. i love that. That's depth, man. like That's depth between the brothers. So I did like on that scene, he does take the charm off that he got from Annie. Yes.
01:36:26
Speaker
young And now that thinking of it more, maybe you could say that he's finally removing his protection. So everything's catching up to him. Yes. And now he's dying. um And maybe it's not just the bullet.
01:36:38
Speaker
I noticed that immediately when he took the charm off and when Annie and him were talking about it originally in the beginning of the movie, when they met up, I mean, she asked about it. I was like, okay, no, forgot about that during the movie. And I was like, Oh, like it's really sad that that protected him and stack this whole time. And now stack is a goner. Yeah.
01:37:02
Speaker
And then smoke. He's just like, Annie's gone. and It was just very sad. it added a lot of heft to the relationships I felt.
01:37:14
Speaker
Yeah. And the story. i Sorry not to be so much of a downer on these. You're okay. but Yeah. I like Coogler as a director a lot. I think he's doing a really lot of good things.
01:37:25
Speaker
But I think he does go into the director trope a little bit of not trusting your audience at this part. Okay. Because we do have a flashback. to smoke being at the grave again for the child. Yes.
01:37:41
Speaker
And I guess we'll add to the depth of, you know, losing your child and stuff, but I i hate reusing scenes in movies. And like, I forgave the intro cause it's, it's different in the intercut thrilling stuff with it.
01:37:55
Speaker
But I don't like that. We flashback, like just trust your audience to remember that this happened less than an hour ago. We remember that he was playing at the grave scene. fair um sometimes those hit me a certain way and i think this did i totally get what you're saying with with the whole baby plot it was very it wasn't so pronounced and i i love that you know that like yeah it didn't give much much explanation but it had
01:38:28
Speaker
It's
Genre Blend and Original Storytelling
01:38:29
Speaker
time here. And then we were shown it again just to amplify the moment, I guess, because. So many events take place during this film. I like that we were kind of... and like that we were kind of refreshed on that. On that, like, smaller part of the film.
01:38:48
Speaker
See, I would... I don't like the reusing, so I would prefer, like, maybe get a scene of him holding his child. Sure. As it dies or something. Or, like, because Annie's holding it, so he presumably died after birth.
01:39:02
Speaker
Like, I don't get a scene with him before... know. Just another scene. Sure. A different scene. Okay. And we might we might differ in that way. Different flashbacks.
01:39:13
Speaker
And, oh, I kind of forgot this point of, like, the blend of genres, but, like, honestly, it was, like, this horror, this music part of it, this drama, this comedy. Mm-hmm.
01:39:27
Speaker
The blend of genres, it was like some amazing painting with like an array of colors that just fit. And it was like seeing something new that I didn't know I needed in my life.
01:39:39
Speaker
Yeah. Like I've been lacking this original... thing and well done blend of genres and film for so long so like that that's what i felt like i got in sinners as well yeah just wanted to say that for people for film people that are like wanting that next thing that they can latch on to the sinners is that exactly It is one to see, even though I have some problems with it. It's still good rating for me. I really liked Sinners a lot.
01:40:11
Speaker
All the art for this film is really good, and I thought the trailers, even though you didn't see them, were actually really well done. They give away a little. Of course, you're going to know some people die, but with the twin thing, you don't know which one dies.
01:40:23
Speaker
It's great. The culmination of the movie from start to finish... When I zoom out and I look at it as a whole, I get chills.
01:40:34
Speaker
And even if the goosebumps don't physically appear, they're there. seeing sammy all grown up now now we can get to like the yeah and and yes and i love this structure actually i do i'm gonna say that too this is so unique it is i love it to the point the credits started rolling and you know it ryan kugler and i think a couple of yes eps and stuff names we had like two to three people walk out of the theater Oh, no, I know. Same, same. And I was like, guys, like, don't you know your shit? Or, you know, especially with like Marvel films.
01:41:11
Speaker
I almost started to because I'm like, oh, we're just going to credit roll with him playing some music. It wasn't bad, though. yeah Like where it was like, oh, the movie's over. all right. Time to go. Like it it pops up, though.
01:41:23
Speaker
And you're like, oh, it's not done. And yeah i I like that a lot, actually. And like seeing Samuel growing up and living out his dreams. Then Stack and Mary coming to see him is so moving.
01:41:37
Speaker
At least those two, Mary and Stack, they get their happily ever after. And I'm happy with the complexity of the two with letting him live and actually being good to him.
01:41:48
Speaker
Mm-hmm. i I was conflicted on that a little. Really? On one side, I was like, as character-wise, this is really good. Now talking to you more, I'm like more connected to the characters. And think I liked little more.
01:42:02
Speaker
But I was also like, as i as I watched it and finished the film, i was like, oh, well, maybe they're not scary creatures. Well, maybe that's the intention of the of that too. They're not just demon, um not just vampires. It adds complexity to the creature, yeah I feel. And you're just not like totally, totally evil. Without Remick in yeah the cult vampires, they can now be their individual selves.
01:42:32
Speaker
and And yes, there might be that evil... really in them still and they like still are vampires yes but they also remember a part of their personal lives and like sammy was that for them and like that community that stack and mary wanted to be a part of and create together you know i i thought this ending was beautiful in many ways but especially stack and sammy admitting that that was one of the best days of their lives
01:43:05
Speaker
their lives were forever changed from that night on. So like, yeah, them talking about like when all the horror, like before all the horror happened with the vampires, like I love when Sammy asked stack, like, you know, was that, was it like that for you?
01:43:24
Speaker
Like, just what a beautiful question, actually. Yeah. I agree. ah Sammy, like, kind of, like, at of at the end of his life there. And they, like, you just choose not to infect him.
01:43:37
Speaker
And he, like, he kind of gets his closure, it seems. Like, he said, like, he's had nightmares of that all the time. Yep. And then he kind of realizes that, hey, maybe they're not so evil.
01:43:51
Speaker
They're just going to let him die naturally. I don't know. It's really interesting to think about and toss over, right? Yeah. And I like that Sammy's playing an electric guitar. He's not playing his is normal fiddle or whatever whatever it was. It's more with the times, right? Yeah. and And he still has that guitar, which is interesting. And I love how that was used on Remick. We didn't mention that, but like, yeah, through his head, like, oh, that that was awesome.
01:44:21
Speaker
And I did want to say, it's very fascinating that I've seen people dissect the message from this movie that Christianity is just another form of oppression.
01:44:34
Speaker
And that it's highlighted when Sammy is keeping his guitar instead of joining his father. He realized this would just be like joining Remick in his cult of vampires, as well as being inspired by Remick himself.
01:44:51
Speaker
And what he was saying to him while trying to unalive him. yeah Remick was talking about how religion was also forced upon his people and got them killed.
01:45:04
Speaker
This just goes along with the line of we made the blues and religion was forced upon us.
01:45:12
Speaker
Or something like that. I can't remember exactly how the line was or which character said it either, but it's it's so deep that Remick, no matter how good his intentions are and his community of vampires, it's like religion and conformity.
01:45:30
Speaker
And he's exactly what he hated. Yeah. that's That's the complexity that I love adding to that villain and just the overall message of this.
01:45:41
Speaker
film it's interesting I didn't I didn't pick up any vibes that it was like Christianity was an oppressing force I was thinking was more like like Sammy needs his community.
01:45:58
Speaker
He doesn't want other communities that people try and force upon him, whether be Christianity or vampirism. He has to find his own path. I think you're on the right track like in that, too. like yeah yeah like i like your thoughts on that, too.
01:46:15
Speaker
yeah o One thought I had, too, especially with the mid-credits scene. I realized... Annie explaining vampires and how they are as creatures, which loved the writing for that, like like we talked about.
01:46:34
Speaker
it was actually spot on, even though she didn't get it completely right. i i look at Mary and Stack from when they were turned and when they visit Sammy years later, like we talked about. and they's so they're They're slightly different from what they once were.
01:46:52
Speaker
Vampire souls are hateful and they're trapped on earth and they are now not their good selves like they once were. And they're hateful. So when they visit Sammy, I love that they were still slightly off there. There's the note I kind of wanted to get to, like when we were kind of talking about that, I'm happy they aren't completely evil anymore.
01:47:17
Speaker
But like, you know, they still are slightly off from what they once were. yeah I feel like that does track with them becoming vampires, them being slightly off.
01:47:30
Speaker
They're not going to be... you know And that that's the tragedy of it, but also the happy ending kind of with Mary and Stack being able to be together forever within their own community like they couldn't in that present day and how the world was then.
01:47:51
Speaker
They couldn't be happy then. Now they are, which is very complex in itself too. Yeah. Yeah. Even though they're vampires. Yeah. Yeah.
01:48:03
Speaker
That's, that's all I have for my notes. What did you think of the ending? And like, what would you wish for differently with the ending? Like you were talking about, like you didn't like the action set piece there. You felt it was kind of out of place. What, where would you have capped it off?
01:48:25
Speaker
Like
01:48:28
Speaker
like I said, I was originally less for the epilogue, but thinking about it more, i i kind of like the epilogue. I think it works. I think it's just the action set pieces that don't don't work for me and that really bring this movie down.
01:48:43
Speaker
And I think their connection to being at the end of the movie just sours a little bit because it's still... there um but the first two thirds were like yeah on a different level for you yeah yeah yeah the first two thirds are great like i think all the way up until till grace says come in i think works for me gotcha okay really well i think it'd be like high eight until the fight scene uh yeah and the epilogue's fine okay and like was there a certain part of sinners
01:49:18
Speaker
that you latch on to the most or were rocking with most like either the music, the love stories, the theme of community or the vampire ferocity of it all.
01:49:31
Speaker
Like what was your favorite aspect of Sinners? i I really liked it as a historical character piece, which is probably the more you know my minute part of all of everything that's going here. but You're an intellectual guy, though. so like If I could get a prequel in Chicago or something of the ah twin of the twins, I wouldn't mind that.
01:49:59
Speaker
It'd be a totally different thing. It'd be a gangster movie. and I'm working for Capone. I think that would be Great, because I really like all of Smoke's scenes when he's in the town preparing.
01:50:10
Speaker
Yes. Those are awesome. I know. Oh, I almost forgot there's the one flashback that I do actually appreciate because it's it's new scenes that they're flashing back to. Okay. When he's remembering all the people helping him set up at the end.
01:50:24
Speaker
Oh, man. they're bringing everything in and you're remembering all the characters. That worked really well. That pulled heartstrings for me. It's like, it's kind of like. Everyone building it up. Because I was wondering earlier in the film, I'm like, damn, how'd they set this up in one night? Right. Yeah. No. one So like that came at the right time, I feel, even though we didn't get it earlier. Yeah. that That's a lovely time to set it.
01:50:47
Speaker
And it's an amazing time to reminisce on what happened in the whole like setup of it all. And you kind of think too, like what could have been if it would have all worked out?
01:51:03
Speaker
Yeah. You know, it, it was very sweet in that way. It was double layered in that way for me, if that makes sense. Yeah. Well, the sad thing that you think about is it was not going to work out for the twins.
01:51:18
Speaker
They dropped the hints throughout the movie. like The gangs would have figured it out. yes They would have been on the run all their lives. They were in a couple different dangers. If you think about it, the gangs, the vampires, and also the KKK. so that That's also when you zoom out.
01:51:33
Speaker
That's also why I feel like the KKK part of it all adds to the danger. Well, I like that aspect. Kind of when we were talking about it. yeah i don't feel like it was tacked on.
01:51:47
Speaker
but I get you. And I also would like to say, I find sinners important for so many reasons, but a big reason that comes to my mind is that it came out at the right time for so many people.
01:52:03
Speaker
It came out at the right time for people that are passionate about movies because this is an original story. It feels so personal and it can appeal to many different people that are into different genres and what they love about films.
01:52:21
Speaker
I like what Van Lathan said on the big picture about people not only craving originality in film, but authenticity. Coogler infuses that into this film, and I felt like that, like so many other people did.
01:52:41
Speaker
Also, I think with our social issues going on now, it's so scary looking at the past through this southern Mississippi lens in the 30s, but it also screams to me that we haven't exactly totally left that dark past behind.
01:52:59
Speaker
It's important to be reminded of that in the racism that still goes on today, especially in this country. Just like with the main antagonist, Remick, there's hypocrisy in this world.
01:53:13
Speaker
Not a lot of self-reflection or examination going on for those people, honestly. I even hate when I catch myself doing it, but like I try and reflect and not be a hypocrite.
01:53:28
Speaker
After Sinners, I have so much hope for film for years to come and these young filmmakers that are passionate in keeping it alive.
01:53:39
Speaker
Thank you to everyone who worked on this, honestly, and like gave us an experience that I'll never forget.
01:53:46
Speaker
that's that's all i kind of want to leave with that that was my huge point no about sinners it's really good thank you i appreciate buddy yeah um yeah all very poignant points yeah sinners is one that i definitely want to re-watch when it comes streaming i think may 20th is the date i seen it'll should drop streaming perfect and it's probably going to be on max service since it's warner bros max okay yeah yeah i look forward to that and definitely want to show my family this one I definitely want to rewatch it. Like all all of these points I'm surprised that I got off of. And like that kind of just goes to show you even after watching it once, there's so much to chew on.
01:54:27
Speaker
And then when you rewatch it, there's even more. So I'm super excited to rewatch this and really tighten up my thoughts about it. And yeah,
01:54:40
Speaker
Heck, it might raise up the rating for me when I rewatch. be Just from talking to you, it's just, it's everything I look for. It's meaningful.
01:54:52
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I think that too. Like movies, like Marvel movies are amazing. and and Not always. Not always. Disclaimer. Not always. um Many of the phases are amazing.
01:55:05
Speaker
Yep. And there's a lot of joy that those movies can bring. When a movie can bring that amazing fun, like the concert scene, but mixed with like messages that really matter to our society when the movies are being shown.
01:55:20
Speaker
Those are what truly elevate movies. Oh, definitely. It's so entertaining. And I feel like it's for a lot of different people. Like, a lot of people can take different things from it.
01:55:33
Speaker
I feel. suppose. That's all I got. That's all you got? All right. Should should we move on to Reminds Me Of? Yeah. All right. What do you got? ah So, it's really hard to find movies of this depth.
01:55:48
Speaker
I would say... This isn't my reminds me of necessarily, but if you do want to see more of the depth aspect, I would suggest, you know, going to something like Black Panther and seeing, you know, Kugler's other films.
01:56:00
Speaker
Yep. But for reminds me of I focused more on the vampire aspect. Okay. For people that want more vampires. Yeah. Because I've plenty of vampire movies in my repertoire. One of my favorite aspects from this film. Yeah. Yep.
01:56:14
Speaker
Doesn't remind me much of Dawnbreakers, are day Daybreakers, sorry, with Heathen Hawk, but that one I always like to shout out. One it did kind of remind me of was 30 Days of Night.
01:56:26
Speaker
I don't know, have you seen this one? Hell yeah, I have. Yep, one of the best. not Sinners is a lot more lighthearted, I would say.
01:56:36
Speaker
Yes, and it has more on its mind, for sure, instead of just being a vampire. Yeah. 30 Days of Night is very, very dark, and there's no like there's no levity. There's no dance scenes.
01:56:48
Speaker
No. There's not really many jokes, if any. No magical music. Yeah. But I just really like 30 Days of Night as a vampire movie. And I think it's, if you're looking for the vicious side of vampires, that's where it is.
01:57:02
Speaker
Oh my God. You took the words right out of my mouth, actually. Yep. Viciousness from vampires in this. And like the the nice practical makeup on them yeah where they they weren't so perfect and beautiful for vampires. They were ferocious. Yeah. yeah Gross, bloody, scary.
01:57:22
Speaker
It's a good horror. Oh yeah. And the other one I was thinking of was Fright Night from 2011. I haven't seen the original 85. I haven't either, but I love 2011. But yeah, I love 2011 with Colin Farrell as the bad guy there.
01:57:38
Speaker
And Christopher Mintz-Plasse is just a weird vampire in that movie. Oh my God, yeah. Dave Franco, good good cast. lesser big actors but like it's still a decent i think it's a remake or just it's a remake young actor that passed away too soon as well yeah fright night's fun it has more of the family connection aspects i think you'd be looking for in a vampire movie closer to sinners uh it's way more contained yeah it's not as vicious it's more in line with creating good characters and a story and lore the vampires yeah yep
01:58:16
Speaker
Those are mine too. Definitely. Yeah. Well, I, I mean, a lot of people have already said this very good ones from you as well.
Comparisons and Personal Recommendations
01:58:25
Speaker
Like I was going to mention 30 days of night with the ferocity and yeah, like every time I thought about this movie, at fright night is one of the more modern vampire movies that like stick in my mind at all times when it comes to vampires. love that movie to death.
01:58:42
Speaker
But I would definitely say From Dusk Till Dawn, very obvious one. But I simply put this down for like the comedy aspect of it. There's plenty of quick liners in From Dusk Till Dawn as well as this one.
01:58:58
Speaker
There's a bit of sexiness. And from Dusk Till Dawn, not all the way through, like Sinners, but especially with Salma Hayek dancing, that's one of her most famous scenes, and being stuck in a building where there's partying all night.
01:59:17
Speaker
It's From Dusk Till Dawn takes place in a bar. ah The vampires are inside the bar instead of outside, but still. And the two brothers being turned against one, and one another, uh, George Clooney and Quentin Tarantino are brothers in that movie.
01:59:32
Speaker
And Quentin Tarantino helped produce. He wasn't the director on it, but and heavily handed in it. It's just very interesting. And you get that very personal dynamic between family members when one is turned into a vampire and one is not.
01:59:50
Speaker
And, To you, those are the two main characters. So just like Smoke and Stack, you're like, oh my God, one of the main characters is turned into a vampire. Like what's going to happen?
02:00:01
Speaker
So that conflict is there for both. And also characters you actually care about being turned and dying. Mm-hmm. Just like Quentin Tarantino's character, he gets turned and he dies.
02:00:15
Speaker
And also the and the dad of a young Juliette Lewis, it's Harvey Keitel that has been in plenty of Tarantino films, just like Pulp Fiction and everything. But yeah, he also gets turned.
02:00:29
Speaker
So just that conflict of characters you really actually care about being turned in a vampire film that I'd say from Dusk Till Dawn is a lot more comedy action. But yeah, it just stuck in my mind the whole time during this. And it was very important because my dad also showed me that film like when I was younger. yeah.
02:00:51
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I would say. Interesting. I don't know if I've seen this all the way through. You gotta. My dad has watched it maybe on three or four separate occasions and I've always just got little parts of it. It's one of the most rewatchable movies. It is actually a great movie.
02:01:08
Speaker
Okay, maybe maybe you and I. Maybe you and i can watch it. Yeah, let's do that. Okay. That's my list there. Yeah, there you go. But yeah, that's it for my reminds me of.
02:01:21
Speaker
yeah Yeah. Going to Now Watching a little bit then? Yeah. Yeah. what What have you been checking out? Yeah. So we talked a little bit before the pod. I've been watching a lot of horror movies lately.
02:01:32
Speaker
Not much new to talk about. Crossing a little bit off my Marvel watch list. I told you i watched Echo, little mini series. Yeah. That was pretty decent. New Mutants, not worth your time. As Marvel fan.
02:01:46
Speaker
Nope. Have you seen that one? Yep. ah Not worth the time. Yeah. I'm not going to waste my breath on that one. What a waste of Anya Taylor-Joy in ah the MCU. Yeah. No joking. And Charlie Heaton.
02:01:57
Speaker
Yeah. As well. Maisie Williams. Maisie Williams. It had such a good cast. What happened? Anyways. What have been watching I watched? I watched Tick Tick Boom again.
02:02:08
Speaker
Oh my God. I really want to rewatch that actually. I think I told you that off pod to watch that one. Or yeah that we talked about it. But it's so good. Nell and I watched it as soon as it came out. So I think we just talked about it. And.
02:02:22
Speaker
yeah yeah You don't really like musicals, so it's surprising that you love this movie. I'm getting more into them This is my second watch through, and I think it's only been a month because I watched this a little bit late. and i'm like I bumped it up from 8 to a 9.
02:02:36
Speaker
i like I just love it. I know it's so good. and Andrew Garfield though. I'll probably watch it again in a month. Like this might be one of my rewatch movies. That's awesome. I have the soundtrack in my playlists already.
02:02:49
Speaker
That's amazing. Oh my God. I love that. Yeah. I have a couple of sinners songs downloaded right now. Yeah. Especially dangerous by Haley Steinfeld. If you haven't heard that, I'm going to do that.
02:03:00
Speaker
Very good. And I think since our last episode, I watched all Black Mirror season seven is the new one. Yeah. And I'm sad to say, even though I'm passionate about Black Mirror, still haven't checked it out yet. There's been a lot going on in my life. So um I wanted to give my full attention.
02:03:17
Speaker
It is average overall, I would say. Don't even. Don't even. There's two or three really good episodes, but the overall average is average, I would say.
02:03:32
Speaker
It's not the worst season, but it's not the best season. I would say that for plenty of the Black Mirror seasons when you kind of go back on them. There are like those couple like that you don't really care about, and then there's just these amazing ones. And then...
02:03:46
Speaker
maybe there's one or two that are like, and that was good. Yeah. I think i I, actually went back and did the math and averaged out my seasons by my ratings per episode. Oh, cool. And I think season one was my top one, just because all three are of the first one are pretty good.
02:04:02
Speaker
They're not like the top episodes for me, but they were all just high enough that, you know, they were entire history of you. yeah. Yeah. Good. Oh, but yeah, this one's middling. Okay.
02:04:14
Speaker
Last one, Romance, because I don't throw many romances once. No way. Andy Romance? Wow. Wow, I wonder why. So the Life List that came out this year on Netflix. So I checked it out.
02:04:25
Speaker
I really enjoyed it. I don't know if this movie is great. In fact, there's probably a lot I could pick apart in in Life List. Yeah.
02:04:35
Speaker
but I just really enjoyed Overall enjoyed it. That's all that matters. Like the emotions, I think I connected really well with the characters. I think the, the main actors did really well for doing that for me.
02:04:47
Speaker
Um, especially Sophia Carson who plays the lead. And she's also from a carry on that also was on Netflix and Nell and I immediately the spouse in there, right? Yes. Yeah.
02:04:57
Speaker
Taryn Edgerton's girlfriend or spouse or something. Yeah. Yeah. I was excited for her to pop up in more stuff because Noah and I are like, who is this? When we watch Carry On.
02:05:09
Speaker
She's very good. Perfect. And then this has got Connie Britton in it as the mom. Love Connie. She's one of those ones where she has a pretty big repertoire, but I haven't just started seeing her until lately.
02:05:21
Speaker
And then she's in everything I'm watching. That's insane. It's just one of those actors. She was in the Zero Day show with Robert De Niro. oh it's like a quick mini series huh she plays a big part in that and i'm just seeing her everywhere i've known her ever since friday night lights so i've been know i've been on the connie britain train for a while yeah i love her yeah so it was good i uh can't wait to watch that then connected well with the characters all right so i think that emotional through line brought it home to me awesome if you're yeah looking for a good romance comedy
02:05:55
Speaker
With some bucket list fun. Yeah, that's the one. Perfect. Nice recommendation there to add. What about you? have you been watching? Basically, I have just...
02:06:09
Speaker
Been wanting to show Nell more of my like list movies that I want to show her really bad.
Tarantino and Comfort Watching
02:06:16
Speaker
So she's a big Tarantino fan already. We've we've watched Inglourious Bastards, The Hateful Eight, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood together.
02:06:25
Speaker
So she's very familiar with Tarantino. And like I mentioned earlier, she loves the hell out of Christoph Waltz. And mean, was sad telling her that Kristoff wasn't in all of Tarantino films, only a couple, but I figured I would show her Pulp Fiction because I really, really, really, really wanted to rewatch that.
02:06:52
Speaker
Yeah, and it's been exciting too because we did watch Severance. The show Severance on Apple TV+. A bunch people are going like, oh, Severance. But she loves Christopher Walken, and she didn't know that he starred in quite a few of the earlier Tarantino films.
02:07:11
Speaker
So I'm like, Pulp Fiction would be a perfect one because he delivers one of the best monologues in movies ever in that. So... We got halfway through that and now fell asleep, not because of Pulp Fiction, but it's been just exhausting for us lately.
02:07:28
Speaker
But yeah, we'll finish that soon, hopefully. We also need to watch the first two episodes of The Last of Us, so that might be after we watch those so we can get caught up before Sunday night here.
02:07:41
Speaker
Yeah, season two. Two episodes are out so far, and then the third episode will be Sunday night. And also just been watching Adventure Time. know it's really random coming out, but I do like some of my animated series.
02:08:01
Speaker
I've watched Big Mouth, stuff like that, and Rick and Morty is one of my favorites ever. So I kind of wanted to find something close to that where I can, know you can't ever really turn your brain off, like completely off, but I feel like I can turn my brain off a bit before bedtime and watch Adventure Time.
02:08:22
Speaker
Because Nell and I actually, were watching Love on the Spectrum. we completed all three seasons of that. And Zero. Can't forget Zero. He also likes watching it.
02:08:32
Speaker
Yes. Yep. Zero loves Love on the Spectrum, especially when Connor's dog, his little Pomeranian pops up. And Connor, one of our favorite people on Love on the Spectrum,
02:08:45
Speaker
he mentioned that he watches adventure time and I'm like, you know what? I should give it a shot. So I finally did like when I was super tired one night and just been continuing on that. So was this your first watch through of it?
02:08:57
Speaker
Yes. Oh yeah. Never seen a single episode of adventure time. So yeah, I'm really liking it. You know, it's, it's different and has some of my comedy in it, but yeah, I unfortunately haven't been watching many, many movies lately.
02:09:14
Speaker
Like I said, Nell and I have a lot of personal life stuff going on. So yeah, eventually will get back watching plenty of movies. Yeah, but that's about it.
02:09:26
Speaker
Yeah, I'm also delving into lot of TV shows lately, so my movie list is a little bit less long than usually is. And put on hold a little bit.
02:09:36
Speaker
Yeah, and it's okay. We always have films to watch, and whenever life goes back normal, that's when I'll be sitting and watching my stuff. But yeah, everyone, go see Sinners in theaters now.
02:09:52
Speaker
and support you won't regret it at all yep give kugler all your money yes all of it and make sure to be on the lookout for our next episode we'll be doing a 2024 wrapped topic episode and andy really wanted to do that since he's he's back we can catch up on everything that we watched from that year while he was gone Yeah, we acknowledge that we're a little late.
02:10:19
Speaker
It's April, end of April. But yeah, we will finally, we'll go back and cover 2024 now. I mean, yeah, it's kind just fun to talk about movies in general. It'll be more of a relaxed conversation.
02:10:31
Speaker
But yeah, at least we hit upon Sinners that it's going to be a huge movie for years and years to come. Yeah, it's only April. We'll see if the hype lasts worth a year to get them the Oscars.
02:10:42
Speaker
I'm interested. Yeah, I want to see what they're selected for in the Oscars or nominated for, I should say. Yeah. And, you know, as me and you talked about as well, expanded Oscar categories.
02:10:55
Speaker
Oh, thank God. Stunts. Let's go, guys. Finally. Too bad it's the year after Fall Guy. I know. know. movie dedicated to that area film.
02:11:08
Speaker
And also, they came out with the awesome rule of the voters have to watch every major movie in major categories, which should have been a rule many years ago.
02:11:24
Speaker
I hope that doesn't detract from...
02:11:28
Speaker
losing votes overall like if someone doesn't want to watch every movie they can't vote I hope that doesn't like lose a lot of people I think it should be required I think for some of the lesser categories, like the main categories, I think it's required.
02:11:45
Speaker
Like the lesser ones, like the shorts, if they want to vote at all, they have to watch all of them. True. So I hope they don't watch a few and they're like, oh, that's really good. But they don't want to watch all of them.
02:11:56
Speaker
And then their vote just doesn't get cast for this good shorts. I get you. Yeah, it just seemed very apparent in this year's Oscars that everybody did not watch everything.
02:12:07
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, good rule to add. But... Yeah, that is all I got. Lastly, make sure to follow us on socials on TikTok and Instagram at Hazardous Opinions Pod.
02:12:23
Speaker
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02:12:37
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See ya.