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S2: E11: Cultural Perspectives on Loss: Exploring how different cultures acknowledge, grieve, or silence early pregnancy loss. Somali Language
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This episode is the Somali language version of the interpreted English language discussion. At Pink Elephants we wanted to thank Hinda and the Africare community for their contribution to this podcast by providing them with this version of the conversation in Somali language. Thank you!
In this deeply moving episode, we are joined by Hinda and Zahra, two inspiring women from the East African community in Melbourne, Australia. Zahra, a registered nurse and midwife, works with East AfriCare, a program dedicated to supporting East African women, particularly those who are vulnerable, new to the country, and facing language and educational barriers, through the experience of miscarriage. Hinda bravely shares her personal story of pregnancy loss and the immense challenges she faced, highlighting the critical need for more culturally sensitive support systems.
This conversation sheds light on the often-overlooked logistical and emotional burdens of miscarriage, especially for women with other young children and limited financial resources. We explore the profound statement that "healing is a privilege" and discuss the cultural nuances and taboos surrounding early pregnancy loss within East African communities, particularly Somali backgrounds.
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STACEY JUNE LEWIS
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Miscarriage Rebellion' Podcast
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Welcome to the miscarriage rebellion. I am Stacey June Lewis, lead of the Pink Elephant Support Network group counseling program, Grief
Normalizing Pregnancy Loss Conversations
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and Grace. And along with Pink Elephant's co-founder and CEO, Sam Payne, through this podcast, we will share the stories of many Australians who have lost their babies to early pregnancy loss.
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With evidence and empathy, we unpack the shame, blame and stigma and lack of support that they may face. This is a loss that has been silenced for far too long and we deserve better. We are here to normalize the conversation and to make lasting change.
Interview with Hinda and Zahra
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So we are sitting here on a Monday morning on a cold Melbourne day and I'm sitting here with two wonderful women, Hinda and Zahra. Zahra is here to interpret the conversation that I'm to have with Hinda.
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Zahra works um at a ah place called East AfriCare which I really am excited to hear about soon Zahra. And Hinda comes from lived experience, so having experienced her own pregnancy loss and wants to also um talk about advocacy and give us some information on what it really means to lose um lose a baby ah in her community and share some stories that she has so delicately held on behalf of friends and other people in her community. So it gives us greater context as to what this experience looks like across across our country. So thanks for being here, ladies.
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Thank you Thank you for that. So Zahra, can you tell us a little bit about firstly what East Africa does and your relationship with Hinda and then Hinda and I will continue the conversation and thank you so much for being here to interpret it for us.
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and Thank you for having us here this morning. so East Africa Care is a program that helps women um that going through miscarriage, is specifically women at the background of East African, including Somali, Sudanese, Urchin, Ethiopian. um So we try and um find and help the women who don't have access to healthcare, care who don't speak the language, who are immigrants, who are new the country, who are ignorant to the symptoms that are going through and who need a lot of help. And also, there's also another taboo with going through miscarriages in these communities, um being shamed, you can't talk about them. And like a lot of it to do with with culture and not having that support within each other, um just to the extent where they can't even acknowledge or address if they're pregnant that they have to hide until the pregnancy shows and then they feel comfortable with showing it. So miscarriage is an extremely big taboo in those backgrounds. So we're trying to um bring awareness and educate them and um provide support in those specific background um women.
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And I'm a registered nurse as well, slash midwife that worked in the hospital for the last several years. So yeah, I provide consultations with those women. I educate them when they need help, symptoms, provide them reassurance, making them um normalizing this. And Hinda is one of, she was one of the participants as well.
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Yeah. Okay. So Hinda, thanks so much for being here and sharing your story and I am so sorry for your loss. Could you tell us a little bit about your experience with early pregnancy loss and why you feel it's important to share your story?
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um Thank you for that. ah had all shaat in them although a lot umte ah emily hei and marqui bolie kinda butga the ocean um neil how by the also the glo the and score could be mara I was born in and baarquita la tur well yo had doneham had a halfa the and and
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and kindtan han ku lot the guy mis so green comesstone roantra mur sat had uncle lati you dig to chi cn yeah han ha saw hafia newton soul or that the mis maraba who had in normally bos for behind gu and had guriahaan kuu Two weeks, aizing kid would to be dr ki gonna you call a gri and money and il my your headach ah half they real he what scar thecutra artson I I
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I was like, I'm going to go to the next level. I was like, I'm going to go to the next level.
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no of course the as of cover oil ksor up to hillrle praor of all real fear and a I was like, I'm sure what I'm doing.
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I'm not sure what I'm doing.
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And Hinda, if you were to receive more support and someone was to say, okay, we'll come and give that to you, what would that look like?
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What would have been helpful for you? mean, I was going to say, sasso kinda hautasocolo codalo you know male all heic attitude will bido um <unk> hasultan deb baulas in my re ban hisa and theta andhi limited to shut or hannnaah hungmahi you you had the gufcan i a kola isoro iha i haya
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gu ubohayi in intend on garamao I'm sure how to do this. I'm not sure how to do this. I'm not sure how to do this. I'm not sure how to do this.
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I'm not sure how to do this. I'm not sure how to do this. I'm not sure how to do this. I'm not sure how to do this. I'm not sure how to do this. I'm not sure how to do this.
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I'm not sure how to do this. I'm not sure how to do this. I'm not sure how do this. I'm not sure how to do this.
Challenges After Pregnancy Loss
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Yeah, it's it's such an important point because I think sometimes when we hear stories about pregnancy loss, it is obviously a harrowing loss and the feelings it is you know bringing up in you is one element. And then there's a logistical element of how you can even begin to process that because you're still working through physicality. You're actually still you know going through the physical symptoms of a loss.
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And then you also have other children. So I'm i'm sorry that that was just so challenging for you. in terms of how it felt for you and how you're feeling about this experience, where are you currently at with where it's sitting and and how does that how is that recognised or acknowledged within your home or your community?
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was able to get a lot of a lot of people. But I was able to get a lot people to come and get a of people.
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and the law of the and i we had the the battleto callla muabo But the people who are living in the world are living in the world. They are living in the world. They are living in the world. They are living in the world.
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They are living in the
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They are living in the world.
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or live i am I was able to get a lot of people out there. I was able to get a of people out there. I was able to get lot of people out there.
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I was able to get a lot of people out there. I was able to get a lot of people out there. Just one day. One day. was able to get a lot of people out there. Two weeks.
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And aya la ummarim so the himmanim meli said hevan mey seven seven hundred a we hainkiking I
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They are living in the same age. They are living in the same age. had to behinea edna another malmet tagi calli seven hundredregen dure
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I was a kid, and I was a kid. I was kid. I was a kid. I was a kid. I was a kid. I was
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a kid. I was a kid. I was a kid. I was a kid. in he i am ya kohaia I was able get a a I was able to get job. was able to get job. was able to get job.
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was able to get job. was able to get a job. I was able to get job.
The Role of Socioeconomic and Cultural Factors
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That's so profound to say that healing is a privilege and I think it's a really important part of this picture is that when we do talk about yourself that it is really one of those elements of a secondary thought and yeah, I'm just kind of sitting in awe of the fact that you went through that and I think you heal when you don't, like let's say if you have bigger problems, like as as far as having a roof, having food, your electricity paid, and then you can worry and say, okay, am I okay? Can I heal my kids out food? But when you don't have, when you're worrying about the necessity, the last thing on your mind is how am I going to heal? Because you don't even have the necessity.
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And also, when day had the uidaat, I was like, I'm going to go to the other side of my life. was like, I'm going to go to the other side. I was like, I'm going to go to other side. I'm going to go to the other side.
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well ma immama in the du co har long butitka you workkaja Loaded. like There's a lot of things to consider. It's not simple. and And that is a really interesting element because the question I asked sounded like a simple question. So I thank you for showing the color and the complexity of an answer like that for yourself.
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I want to ask about your supports around emotionally and if there was someone that you confided in for yourself in that time. As you said, there were obviously elements of this picture that didn't have great capacity for you to be thinking of anything. But is this a conversation you could have with your husband? Is it a conversation that you did have eventually with a friend Was there someone that you had to talk to this about or is this a conversation point that's difficult with yourself or within your community?
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how and the and frank kuha I I was a friend. I was friend. I was a friend. was a friend. I was a friend.
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he had to contorumania teu all or vi to hello canarran andva But I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm not sure what I'm doing.
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I'm not sure what I'm doing. So is there any stories, because I know that you have been talking to a lot of different women across this experience since you have experienced yours, and I think you both have worked together with different people in groups capacities on this particular point. But are there things that you can share that give us a a bit of a bird's eye view, like it kind of comes out and lets us see what other experiences could be happening in your community that do differ to yours and that potentially have given you perspective or could give us perspective on the variety of experiences of early pregnancy loss for women in your community?
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wait for the um you the old yumaha su the minaia and haim and amongmao de little o canal and it have your hold i show color that will have our own clay or um onca and mecar rarowa haanni divan musty the kille in an all I was to tell story about the
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um marka tessorships move all harro i know um i'm scar it to add the ank up somethinging yeah ok imhaka hathita the domar enta bajano callarri what don gu you can of taganmo the mavataic isungo learning sola that bud the de at that all miscarri got so callodaro I was able to get a job. was able to get a job.
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I was able to to get a job.
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hey know how the hour cuttle how could i or look i maka you hate nati auladu dinanaba and hastening yeah dr kitek dr kimarke so i saw feara naalo wera so through guruiiusa anda inhale thekara someai so talk in bahairtin waske toldre the pass will call it arura sat tuhore A-mai-e-e-n-ha-y-sa-n-e-na-wa-ha-wa-na-baa.
Spiritual and Cultural Perspectives on Pregnancy Loss
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yeah And what is the... having kehatan macofffffa or the mana younki you also ah a animal little waso collect
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and what is the what is the community, were your community's relationship with early pregnancy loss from a religious or kind of spiritual, cultural perspective? what How is it seen? What is this experience and is there particular meaning or ritual?
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we give go um tight there niun kabogi like ta of go he sogihi bapa the kesu goddess of cador ki maruskari whatda Wee iskawart la baan awun xaytay ayaag al-lufti goedu haa iskull haean.
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Qaf aan il-makeswudi min moona al-alimba. Wilaw moon siddé diatawad iyo haxay ufarabamo dhal. Moona al-alimba da haean xaytay. Kas diba' taada maraya qaf gomis kaadach gubu da xay.
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I was able to the
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Okay, so let me just get this clear if I've heard correctly. So what I'm hearing is the isolation is less about it being a cultural kind of um shunned topic and taboo topic, but it's more about the isolation and the um the barriers of the community in the way you the the the way that life is here. So essentially, if you do find yourself isolated, not able to work, don't speak the language.
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think that the community culture able to speak. le ka he shai and uare or or other or hanna dot kamare quote woster sorea
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When I was in
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of costume so it's good day you how we are hadi umakasu the udu do hra and to so what diana on and it's how it's cut So, I'm going to talk to you about the community. Yes,
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aie I was able to get a job and get a job. was able to get a job. was able to get a job. I was able to get a job. like u was able to get a job.
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was able to get a job. I was able to get a job. I was able to get a job. kofka oing and arein da sokaloodein ali elderie a hattaakov i how she was almost raise her and gar you know in the tablebo in ba time like boy cup paid forel rochas so co Right. the connection has been there for you, but it was kind of almost on secret. So it's almost like the secret type of club, essentially, that it's, you know, it's something that isn't openly discussed. Yeah, they're not as comfortable to openly share um what, like, what they went through or what miscarriages. Yeah. So why why is it taboo? what is it What does it mean in this culture, in this community to experience an early pregnancy loss, to give a really clear picture on what what is why is it so private?
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um pray for maha however to be said listen soon So for example, like in society, the story goes in terms of a more generalised cultural society here, from my understanding and perspective, personally. is that early pregnancy loss can be seen as not a real baby or not a real loss, that it was early, so it might not mean anything, or lucky, you can fall pregnant, or you know there's a lot of attitudes around diminishing the validity of the experience. So that's an example of why it's kind of looked upon as taboo from my perspective in a bigger culture perspective. I'm interested to know if there's like specific, as you say, taboo elements in your culture or in your community.
00:21:10
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yeah testman and if i'm mean myhoek butka and cur de mar ma maha marhaish show is a to spirit ra ah like a yeah but you know how we invested again in ga daana markau oh could ahayahanun also an intervalum manna la bell sita mola uma murmurled lacking i the hand marcuoloukaro
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blood your and walk to your khaled had their all those kisssy wa whatever um carkare neo hasmannao orre makaio lenibuhannaya ilmon hetty and a whoid butmi see and i chat at least sun you see you need the show Right. So a lot of it can be gauged on the physical symptoms.
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but car ma <unk> buie hey on hetti and the handle we all and el miso de leojo divvato ah who is i saycura look at fa du maraban my littleuha reca ha ilma aso dream you right so a lot of it can be gauged on the physical symptoms you know that's essentially it's the severity or the kind of more how serious it's taken is how how you're physically presenting okay and what about um you know kind of religiously spiritually is there a belief system particularly of your own you don't have to speak on behalf of the community Where, you know, is this to you? ah how would, how do you see the baby that you lost? What is your spiritual religious connection to this baby that came and unfortunately didn't?
00:23:07
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I think that's what I'm saying. I'm not sure what I'm saying. I'm not sure what I'm saying.
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<unk> sha and I'm
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I'm not going to
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I'm not that up take me look Okay, thank you. That gives me lovely context. So I've just got a couple more questions.
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myah and everything thank god umize okay thank you that gives me lovely context so i've just got a couple more questions One of them is, what would you think would be a culturally sensitive approach to this experience?
00:24:33
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So the specifics of what you needed and what the women in your life needed. to support this experience better? And I don't mean necessarily, which it could be in the logistics and the things that you've said, but is there specific things for the system or the people around you that are supposed to be there to support? Yeah, really, because Sophia, how clear all of them.
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um For example, I have a hospital where I am going to go to the hospital. I have a hospital where I am going to go to the hospital.
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or do ma mo so de me or can of into you madam then kuhaya and
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I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
00:25:38
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I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
00:25:43
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ah the the information of the mother alnadi of bande na castleo e was told to say that was a kid. I was a kid. I was a kid.
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I was a kid. I was a kid. I was a kid. I was a kid. I was kid. ye count' see your shuttle Spiritual, yeah. Thank God, yeah.
00:26:09
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in costa negative in pinti more color spiritual maha yeah yeah hind milhan no sha who bear had thenika soly lower bodoba and him de love a landhan being god how do ah had you so to i had to read da i yeah don like thank god yeah that's really, really interesting because I certainly felt what could they get killed you didn't ki them had they but this should be where like yokov muus and killed arc casey room you hey
00:26:39
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you know and then shamara moi naa maril uncomfortable bucardiga i with him haaska yeah look at dia end here yeah that's really really interesting because i certainly felt what Yeah, that there was a misrepresentation.
00:26:55
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you know, that's, yeah, interesting. Okay, and so that's really helpful. And is there anything else like that, that in those instances that you feel like was would be useful even to think about the women that you have shared this experience with, something that they feel like they would want others to know?
00:27:18
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I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm not sure what I'm doing.
00:27:43
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I was able get a lot of people out there. I was able to get a lot of people out there. I was able to get lot of people out there.
00:27:55
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in and kae mi ruso company
00:28:08
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Yeah. Okay. so it's it's yeah it's a ah it's a ah situation but that call for what's comfortable which is often women understanding women's experiences yeah okay the meng Is a deal for eta rocanny dr mi tuarco hadway and is anything to do with intimate kind of women's, whether that's menstrual cycle, miscarriage, intimacy, is that across the board or is it specifically this miscarriage that feels particularly sensitive?
00:28:43
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But the doctor has been asked for answer. I'm not sure if I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. And the interpreter. Yes, the interpreter.
00:28:59
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Thank you so much for sharing. I just want to make sure I haven't missed anything. do matter inbre ni iut oh ah and got long get my old guys over thank you so much for sharing i just want to make sure i haven't missed anything And I guess, Zelda, I want to just give you the opportunity before we we wrap up, Inder, also, i don't know, just give us your um your take on this particular experience and...
00:29:34
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What your observation of what we're missing, like in this conversation in regards to um east African women, but particularly in this instance, we're talking about the Somalian, well, Hindis experience, but we are talking a little bit further on um women that she is talking to in her community who are yeah Somali. Yeah.
00:29:56
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Every woman has a different experience and different background. In that um she has a very positive um experience as far as not being taboo, able to share with family friends, able like to share that pain which is amazing. But one of my participants depending on like what what they've experienced especially if it's like um miscarriage out of marriage.
00:30:24
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That's one thing that is really big on because you can't even show you're pregnant because you're not married, let alone experiencing it now because it's forbidden in the religion. so that's something that you'll be you'll be isolated and you you will shun yourself because then you did a bad thing.
00:30:45
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You're a bad person. so Yeah, that's one of... Quite a serious, dangerous element of this. quite very serious, yeah. And in terms of how we can support those women, I mean, how do you guys go about that situation in terms of yourself and an organisation? Yeah. How would you say, as a society, we can better support that experience if it's so isolating? Yeah. Yeah, I think i've only i only have one participant who shared that with me and that happened I think two years ago
00:31:22
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Till this day she never shared it with anyone, not with her mum, not with her sister, completely nobody but herself. So I was the only person that she was willing to share that with me with the promise of me not sharing her name. Yeah. So yeah, it's it's something that we talked about and she's healing from it now, even though it's been like such while, long time. and But as far as I would like to know more women who go through very similar situations, because I feel like they're more vulnerable when it comes to that and they need a lot more support, a lot more openness, because then they don't have family support.
00:32:04
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I think there's a particular story that I want to share about one of um and the other workshop that i we talked about. And i was happy to hear that she was comfortable enough to talk about it amongst other women. So we did a workshop with um Somali Voice in Hardbrook, which we brought women together sharing stories of their own, which sort of creates that networking and makes them comfortable. and It's healing as well women sit down and have conversation about their experiences. It really is healing. So she um it was similar experiences that Hinda talked about, um it it goes more into mental health as well, which is a little bit, I think, taboo in our community. Mental health as in like depression or anxiety or seeing a
Barriers in Healthcare for Immigrant Women
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therapist. She came to this country. um i think she's been here just for...
00:32:59
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fairly new, she's got seven kids, she experienced around full miscarriages and she did go to the GP but every time it was the same results because of a language barrier she didn't understand or she didn't just, it wasn't beneficial information as she shared. And then the fifth miscarriage he told her you shouldn't be having, while you keep having kids you shouldn't be getting pregnant because your iron's so low it's very dangerous. And she said, am.
00:33:30
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I sort of, why wouldn't you tell me the last four miscarriages that my iron level was too low and you're sharing this with me now after I've been struggling and this is my fifth miscarriage. And she talked about how some of the practices are not as helpful and not a single GP or the one that was she was going to did a thorough health check or blood levels, which is very like... Basic.
00:33:58
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Basic and vital. As soon as you have a miscarriage, you've lost a lot of blood. You do iron check, blood levels, everything. Well, you do it sometimes if you do a generic health check. Correct. Yeah. She said she didn't have that. It took her to lose four kids for her to get checked her blood levels to be told. Your body needs time to heal. You're unwell medically and unphit medically while you keep trying. And she said...
00:34:24
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There was no support, there was no effort, there was also language barrier and she just felt numb and it's also lacking that like being ignorant and not knowing, um not having education. She said he told me to take some vitamins. She said I bought them and I couldn't even read what they're for. I don't know who to tell me what these vitamins are for or how many times I need to take. Just simple things like that. So when she was sharing that, like I got emotional. I thought that's, yeah, that was really, really, really sad. And she said, i will tell every woman that comes to this country, please do not get married and don't have children for the first two years until you know the basics to the other woman. yeah because she did a struggle. yeah Yeah. And then she shared and said, if this program had been around, you had been around, it would have been more beneficial for me because obviously some of the consult consultations that we provide ah go to their homes. Just sitting her down and just the basics, talking about it. So you've lost a lot of blood, to how are you feeling? What did your GP say? Did you do bloods? Can you ask him to do bloods check on you?
00:35:39
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I'm more than happy to make appointments. I'm more than happy to read the vitamins that you need to take. Like I'm saying, even that small, little health. It might be overlooked, but it's extremely essential and important because it took her four miscarriages that she didn't have to experience. yeah too yeah And I think even you know women that speak the language can often miss really basic elements of this experience.
00:36:03
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But I can't even imagine what it would be like to then have a GP who's constantly trying to focus on the fact that they can't understand each other. So there would have to be a bias in missing information or missing basic, as you say, human checks and human rights. Yeah, yeah. Because they're so focused on the fact that there is not the same language being spoken.
00:36:23
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So then all of these other elements are missed in those, you know, as you say, basic checks that can come from just, oh, I've been feeling a little tired. Okay, let's do all of these bloods. Whereas something like this, which is quite a severe experience to go through, let's be honest. Yeah, absolutely. And it isn't always, but for many of us it is. um to then not have, ah you know, a real thorough health check and to be able to expect that yeah from a healthcare professional in the context of whether you speak the language or not.
00:36:57
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Yeah, she just felt unheard. She felt overlooked because she didn't know the language. She felt like she wasn't educated. So she was overlooked and unheard.
00:37:08
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and she just felt like it shouldn't have gotten to this point where I had to experience a fifth of one to be told my errands low. I should have done on the first one. And she said, i um i don't have the education. I can't read write. So, yeah, it was it's just...
00:37:23
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just Yeah, quite sad hearing that. Yeah, which I'm sure contributes to mental health challenges if you feel like you can't advocate for yourself, you can't look after yourself, you don't understand what's required or you miss something, which we can all feel. But if you feel like you also don't have the capacity to learn more...
00:37:42
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in this country, yeah that now you're out of control, you know, and you're feeling really vulnerable is probably not even the word for it, but really scared. Yeah. I also think basic education can go, like, far. She talked about how she didn't even know, like, she needed to wait certain time to conceive again and to let your body heal. Like,
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Informations like that are very vital to these women and some of them don't have that education from certain backgrounds. So that's also very important. And we were discussing that day. To not assume the knowledge. Absolutely, yeah. She expressed that. She said, had no idea. I even needed to wait for three months because I was just... I kept having the next and the next because the chibi didn't educate her. He didn't even do the vital, I mean, the basics, checks with her.
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yeah I don't know if I can't. I don't know if I can't. Sometimes when one is sick, I think I'm going to get sick. Maybe I'm going to get sick.
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