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Wildcard Wednesday FFP Special
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In this episode the team look at FFP & PSR and discuss what it means for the Premier League and for NUFC.
Host: Kevin Esther
Guests: Michael Grahamslaw & Jo Ayres
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Weekly Football Roundup
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Welcome to the Daily Newcastle Podcast. It's my favourite time of the week. It's Wild Card Wednesday, but it's not that wild today, but I'll go on the violin in a second.
00:00:18
Jo
Yeah.
00:00:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
and It's been a week where Leicester did their best Houdini impression. Chelsea got more than physical to inspire a comeback, and it turns out wasted in training season with regards to Newcastle after a 4-2 loss to Brentford.
00:00:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
And there may well be new rules as the Man City court case was finally brought to a close.
Guest Introductions and Banter
00:00:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think that's an easy introduction, but I think Michael's got it already by the look look of it. Was he watching ITV at the weekend?
00:00:42
Michael
Oh yes, but I do believe I love to hear it.
00:00:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, straight away, straight away. and So that last one, when I i thought about obviously the court case, we're going to come to that in a second, but we've got two guest interviews. You already know one of them.
00:00:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
and But I'm going to introduce you to one first, because you know we'll keep it a secret for as long as possible. and I am joined by, you know, someone who did host the Wild Call Wednesday.
00:01:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
So I'm now calling a Jeopardy Joe. That just failed, didn't it? Jeopardy Joe.
00:01:12
Michael
oh
00:01:12
Jo
that it was a complete failure wasn't it yeah exactly jeopardy joe who completely failed on it explaining what jeopardy was to apparently a much younger kev but you know i'll get over it hi hi kev my younger hmm all right then
00:01:16
Michael
Pause the part to try again.
00:01:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't know what Jeopardy is, but now you're known as Jeopardy Joe. So yeah, it's what it is. I did ruin it to be fair.
Understanding Financial Fair Play Rules
00:01:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's actually my fault. um And some call my next guest. ah Some call my next guest menopausal Michael, but we mostly call them magnificent Michael.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
it's ah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
but but a reaction i wanted that's a reaction all and I actually did say it's magnificent Michael at the end.
00:01:45
Michael
I don't think so.
00:01:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
I did give him a lot of credit. We call him mine as mine. How you doing, Michael? You okay?
00:01:54
Michael
It's all right. Apparently I've either turned into a woman or a magician. To be honest, definitely much rather the woman. So let's keep it at that. But yeah, I'm doing well.
00:02:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
oh
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Global Sports Podcast Network
This is my- This magician's just switched off everywhere.
00:02:06
Michael
Not to offend any magicians who listen to this podcast.
00:02:13
Jo
Everyone who just loved half her audience.
00:02:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
We're like, nah, I'm not having that.
00:02:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh. Way well done.
00:02:16
Michael
Lifted a new genie!
00:02:18
Jo
yeah Brilliant.
00:02:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think that might be my favourite ever start to a wild card Wednesday. and To be fair, Joe did come out with, this is more of a mild card Wednesday.
00:02:24
Jo
That's good.
00:02:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm not going to take credit for that. Joe came out with that one. And it's because we're going to talk about financial fair play. Oh my God, I've had a sound effect.
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Jo
to
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Global Sports Podcast Network
I haven't had it. Well, thanks, Joe. Joe's now a sound effect. Brilliant.
00:02:41
Jo
yeah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
um So actually a little bit of information for, I mean, we're going to talk about how fan friendly it is. It's not actually called financial fair play anymore. We don't refer to it as that. It's now profit profitability and sustainability rules, which I mean, that's a mouthful overall and we really want it to be fan friendly.
00:03:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
um in. I'm going to try and keep this as short as possible because I don't want to make people switch off and I don't want to send you to sleep because hopefully you're driving to work.
00:03:05
Jo
it
00:03:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
right um So clubs clubs can pretty much lose up to 105 million each. Now 15 million pound of that all right is kind of their own money so we can we can lose 15 million pound and then the owners are allowed to chuck in 90 million pound which is like guaranteed funding so that's where the 105 million pound comes from now there's loads of barriers to this and i really want to get your opinions on what financial fair play is is it correct we all know it stuns new castle let's be honest we're going to keep it new castle based throughout but
00:03:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah struggle to see the positiveits a risks and I see so many barriers with it. So I think I'm going to come to Michael first because, you know, I'd give him a harsh introduction in terms of being a woman or a magician.
00:03:54
Michael
Just a little bit.
00:03:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
um
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Michael
Hey, that's being a woman is not harsh. That's half of our listenership, you, D he-I-C-K.
00:04:03
Jo
Wow.
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Michael
ah
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Jo
Go Michael.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
hey
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Michael
Feminism!
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep. Yep.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
I was going to make a joke. I was going to make a joke about feminism being about hating men, but I also don't want to cause loads of controversy.
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Michael
it's
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Global Sports Podcast Network
So I'm just going to, I'm just going to pass to Michael who's got his fist in my ear representing the women here. and Michael, financial fair pay slash PSR. and Is it, is it actually going to work long-term?
00:04:17
Jo
Wow.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Should it be scrapped? How do you feel about it?
Historical Financial Issues in Football
00:04:34
Michael
um I'll be honest, it it probably, when you look at the context of sort of the Venkis at Blackburn, them coming in, you know, Blackburn pretty much died as a club after that.
00:04:46
Michael
Thankfully they managed to stay in the championship.
00:04:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep.
00:04:49
Michael
Leeds had their financial problems. but you can sort of see why it was sort of needed this final you know something to stop um owners you know taking the mic as such um but let's be honest we had mike ashley for 10 years 12 years 13 years whatever it was um it felt like 50 um but i think it's just one of those where it doesn't really take into account oh this owner's doing bad for your club, if anything, it's just going, right, well, you're not going to be able to overspend and do a man's city. And, you know, when you look at West Ham of ah Sullivan gold, they've got a lot of money behind them. They're not able to spend Aston Villa, you know, they're not just Newcastle who have got all this money behind them and being restricted, you know, Villa.
00:05:38
Michael
and new castles should probably be top four in the next five years based on um or consistently top four should i say with what we've got coming forward you know with the money behind them but i do agree that something should be in place so it's not just our richest owners win i do like that but come on you're restricting everyone and let's be honest man united have well how much debt
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Good point.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, i I was gonna come to that in terms of they have I think I've read is different everywhere But it's I've read like billion like that's a big number to have that much debt and still be allowed to you know spend spend any any sort of money when you're trying to restrict others just seems
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Jo
Yeah.
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Michael
Yeah.
00:06:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Ludacris, there was also um somebody on Talksport who said, man, you've got more of a covid and COVID payment than other clubs, which again, I mean, yeah you're not doing yourself any favors if it's to make it fair, if other clubs are getting favorable treatment.
00:06:23
Jo
Okay.
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Michael
Yeah.
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Jo
Okay.
00:06:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
um And what I do find amazing, I did say 105 million over, like 105 million, but it's over three years. So if you were to even that out, and it's called secure funding by the way, about 90 million pounds, which comes from owners, it's called secure funding.
00:06:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, over three years, that would be $5 million per year, pre-tax losses. There's a $15 million the club can't make less of. And then that means the secure funding for the owners has to be $30 million a year to take up a $90 million to make that $105 million over three years.
00:07:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
That is in insanely small for clubs who do...
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Jo
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
like I know we're biased because we're Newcastle and we have the richest owners in the world. but Come on,
00:07:11
Michael
Yeah.
Manchester United's Financial Critique
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Global Sports Podcast Network
can we not just raise that secure funding tonight, rather than 105 over three years, make it 405 over three years, that would help.
00:07:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
um But yeah, anyway, Joe, what are your thoughts on PSR as it is now, rather than financial fair play?
00:07:26
Jo
Well, kind of joking, but not really. I ah did joke at the time when they renamed it because Financial Fair Play, there's nothing fair about it, is there? So they probably have dropped it because it's not fair.
00:07:38
Jo
It's certainly a fair play. But anyway, that's that's my little joke out the way because that's about as much as I think about the name change. um But yeah, I mean, I know exactly. Thanks, Michael.
00:07:49
Jo
um But yeah, it's it's interesting that you brought up the Man You thing because this whole profit thing, of course, you know, they've they've been ah a huge club for a long time. They've got a huge amount of income. I understand that. So I do understand how it works in terms of income and outgoing and stuff like that. And moving forward, they'll always have it because they are a huge club and it's as simple as that.
00:08:10
Jo
But surely this whole profit and sustainability, sustainability to me, never mind the profit bit, that just kinda explains it, yeah? Sustainability, should that not take into account debt?
00:08:21
Jo
I just, I don't get how a club, and I'm not just gonna use these as single clubs, I appreciate other clubs have got debt. But like you said, it's like a billion plus, I don't know.
00:08:30
Michael
Yeah.
00:08:32
Jo
it's It's absolutely insane that they're allowed to operate on that sort of kind of model, if you want to call it that. Yet you've got the likes of ourselves and Villa, et cetera, because it it is not just affecting us and I appreciate that. um I don't know, it's just a massive frustration because if this is going to stay in place and if those exact figures that you've just read out are going to be the figures moving forward, I can't see how any of us, us, Villa, et cetera, are going to break into the top six, the top four consistently.
00:08:59
Jo
i figure what will happen has been a bit like what we've just done we had a top four we did six this this year let's not talk about too much but what i mean is it we're just going to be this kind of your your bobbin up and down yeah we'll hit it again we'll not hit it again and villa will keep doing that as well look look what's happening to them yet you've got the likes of Citian that who it's well that's just insane anyway in its own right all the things that they've kind of been getting away with but yeah i don't know it's it's not fan friendly it's not anyone friendly in fact no sorry it's top six friendly it's as simple as that
00:09:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, well done, Joe. Well done. and I was just going to come out about that. I think the big issue is, I mean, we're trying to, I'm trying not to just chuck numbers at you. I've tried to explain secure funding and where the owners are allowed to contribute 90 million so that it doesn't lose more than 105 and we can lose 15. Chugging these numbers around is just pointless because, I mean, it's not fan friendly. Fans don't really know what we can spend, what we can't spend. And I'll tell you what's absolutely crazy. There'll be people getting paid a lot of money and there'll be clubs out there who, they won't even be 100% sure. We'll be like, because but when you read online, it says that it takes into into account wages, it takes into account transfer fees, ah stuff doing you know things happening out in the community, infrastructure.
00:10:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
What does that cover? who What are you allowed? We're going to talk about the part two a little bit, how everything got done for the new stadium. We're going to look at Newcastle's potential new stadium, but we don't know.
00:10:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
And that's the biggest issue is we haven't got a clue what we're allowed to spend money on, what we're not allowed to spend money on, but what would make sense is Shulia goes on a percentage of how rich your owners are.
00:10:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because if we don't more secure a
00:10:35
Jo
it
Debating Financial Regulation Fairness
00:10:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
fund and you you're fascinated of what, 300, 400 billion pounds or something like that.
00:10:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Which is just unbelievable. I mean that's secure. if If they get in debt and they are the custodians of the club as they keep telling us. We're secure. We can we can afford to lose a little bit of money.
00:10:52
Jo
Mmhmm.
00:10:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, yes, if they leave and we get a different owner, then I get it right. We might have to, you know, just just ease it up a little bit. But yeah, we'll come to that in part two, because we're still so much to talk about.
00:11:03
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00:11:06
Jo
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Jo
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00:11:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well done, Joe. Good recovery, good resilience. But ever since you've said that girls are more professional than the boys, I think you're messing up every time.
00:11:42
Jo
Thanks.
00:11:42
Michael
ah
00:11:46
Jo
It's all gone wrong. It's gone wrong. I trip myself up every time. And if I'm honest, it's more, the more and more I'm called the Zencaster Queen. The more, it's like this massive pressure on my shoulders. And then I can't spit it out, literally.
00:11:58
Jo
Nevermind. Nevermind.
00:12:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right, a think I think in part two, we're going to stick with PSR because I think we just get all of the mild card Wednesday out in one episode, don't we?
00:12:00
Jo
Move on.
00:12:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
But I want to ask the question, is it there for the right reasons? And what I mean by this is Newcastle are talking about building a new stadium. Now, Everton got a point deduction and when you look into that, I couldn't believe this, by the way, when you look into that, it's because or part of it is because of the cost of a new stadium.
00:12:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
which that's infrastructure I get it but that's going to generate more income just like Newcastle United potentially won't do with our potential news stadium I can't bring myself to say it yet because it's still potential and I don't want it to happen um but it's a case of is it there for the right reasons I kind of like in a way what Nottingham Forest did right they said forget you Premier League we're going to break the rules you can give us your point deduction and this season was that fifth
00:12:23
Michael
Yeah.
00:12:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
because we have invested and have brought in some very good players. Unfortunately, at our expense, technically Anderson of us, which again, it affected us in terms of having to sell mint there, which might be resolution or right wing problem.
00:12:58
Jo
and
00:13:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
And we lost Anderson and option and sentiment field who's a homegrown talent. So I'm asking is it there for the right reasons because it's affecting a lot of clubs negatively. It's either point deductions or you haven't to sell players you don't want to sell. It's going to become like trading, I think. with So everyone stays under certain numbers over a certain amount of year. So I guess what I want to go and into now is, do we think it's there for the right reasons?
00:13:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
And the other question I want to ask as a bonus is, have you got any idea how to fix this? Other than making it more fan friendly, we've heard um something Simon Jordan on Talksport has said, if you pay 60 million in transfer, you actually pay 120 million. And my extra 60 million is there in case the club goes into trouble or the owners sell up, there's a 60 million pot which we bring back in and that helps clear whatever debt is left.
00:13:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
So you almost paint a two pots for two transfers, which I think is not a horrendous idea, but it's not quite polished. So I want your idea of how we make it better.
00:13:54
Jo
yeah
00:13:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I want to know, do you think it's there for the right reasons, genuinely? Because Leeds, Michael mentioned it before, clubs have went down to League One, have had financial troubles, had to sell players on the cheap, very, very FC kind of exist again, but we don't exist in the same format because we had to fold and that's not what we want to see any club do.
00:14:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, yeah, is it there for the right reasons? so And how do we fix it? I'm going to come with Joe first this time.
00:14:19
Jo
no it's not there for the right reasons no come on i think anyone outside of the top six is probably going to say that because we all feel that way we're just being brutally honest aren't we really no no i know i
00:14:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Ooh.
00:14:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
hello But if we if we take that away though, in terms of like, obviously Newcastle aren't in that position because they have rich owners, but if we were in potential of gone bust, this would stop us gone bust in a little way but potentially.
00:14:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
So that's what I mean by is it there for right reasons? I don't know. I really don't know. I want to think it is, but okay.
00:14:45
Jo
understand to a degree Yeah I understand to a degree and I think there has to be something in place. I'm not saying there has to be nothing in place by the way.
00:14:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
And.
00:14:54
Jo
I'm in no shape or form saying that us or any other team by the way should just be able to spend whatever we want even though some clubs seem to be able to in the past but that's by the by at this point. um Yes all right we've got the richest owners in the world all this sort of jazz and technically yeah like you said before we've got potentially what seems like unlimited funds as a backup in terms of security however it doesn't mean i think we should just be allowed to go off and spend a billion in the summer window you know what i mean it's just not realistic and i'm not at all claiming that so there should be some limits i think it just needs to be reviewed to the degree where it's fair overall because at the minute on the surface of it as we all know it looks like a massive protection of the so-called top six big six whatever you want to call them hate the six
00:15:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
and
00:15:40
Jo
Like, yeah, it's I don't know. I'm just sorry. I'm on a tangent now.
00:15:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's fine it's good it's it's
00:15:45
Jo
But yeah, you you get my gist, don't you?
00:15:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
it's It's interesting because it does bring out a lot of emotion. and I feel sorry for Villa. Villa qualified for the Champions League. I'm going to try and take it when it comes out of. And they had to sell their best midfielder. Just so we could kind of try and strengthen in depth for the Champions League.
00:16:00
Jo
yeah
00:16:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
That can't be right. But the other side of it is, there's clubs who don't have a lot of income, don't have a lot of money. you know I don't want to say smaller teams because it's just a massive business now anyway.
00:16:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Maybe it is protecting teams and we don't see it protecting teams because there's no teams going bust anymore. So, you know, is it working? I guess is what I'm trying to see. Is there a different opinion?
00:16:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Now I've, I've, I've gambled on Michael here. Cause I think Michael is arguably one of the most intelligent on the pod. So I think if anyone's going to fix this problem, if anyone's going to fix this problem, it might be Michael.
00:16:33
Michael
oh
00:16:36
Jo
It's going to fix it.
00:16:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
So without any pressure, Michael, can you
00:16:40
Jo
yeah
00:16:40
Michael
You know what, i take I'll take back what I called you before.
00:16:42
Jo
well
00:16:42
Michael
You're a lovely,
00:16:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah
Proposed Financial Solutions
00:16:43
Michael
lovely man.
00:16:44
Michael
i no
00:16:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
So is it there for right reasons?
00:16:47
Michael
ah think
00:16:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
And have you got any ideas how on earth we fix this or even make new rules to make a fair?
00:16:54
Michael
yeah i think one of the things you sort of have to look at when you're taking into consideration is sort of the oddities and the rarities of let's say lester um when unfortunately the chairman had the helicopter crash There wasn't really any contingency plan in place for that because no one thought about it.
00:17:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:17:11
Michael
um And I think one of the reasons for PSR, financial fair play, whatever you wanted to call it, was so that in the worst scenarios, ah clubs could still you know function, lest I did end up going down, unfortunately.
00:17:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:17:26
Michael
I came straight back up and I doing very, very well. But I think it's there for the right reasons, but there's the wrong people at the head of it. So there's a lot of people who are involved with the Premier League at the moment who you can tell are getting their pockets lined. I ain't gonna name any names. But it's it's, you know, every time something comes up, it's, oh, how do we squash this sort of Newcastle getting taken over by the Saudis? How can we make sure this doesn't happen again? Chelsea's, you know, using using a loophole, and then people are going immediately, oh,
00:17:59
Michael
Well, how can we stop every other team doing this? So Chelsea have had the advantage, but no one else would. um And I think potentially the way forward,
00:18:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you very much.
00:18:08
Michael
um is sort of the American system of a salary and a wage cap. But it couldn't be done by just the Premier League. It would have to be done universally by UEFA.
00:18:21
Michael
And it could be added into UEFA's financial fair player rules that they use for the Champions League, for example, um where it could say, look, no player is a allowed to have over
00:18:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:18:32
Michael
It's tough to say now because salaries have vastly increased, particularly with Saudi. um you know That's kind of the one thing that's ruined my plan sort of thing.
00:18:42
Michael
Maybe China with Oscar as well.
00:18:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
yep
00:18:45
Michael
um But if they'd say, oh, look, the most the highest day wage of play I can have is 200 grand a week. um And then there's additions onto that.
00:18:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep.
00:18:55
Michael
It's still a very lucrative sum that you can separate a cool power map from a, I don't know, ah ah
00:19:02
Michael
Sean Longstaff.
00:19:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, I thought you were going to go Jacob Murphy.
00:19:04
Jo
Aww.
00:19:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
I was going to gamble then. jump but didnt
00:19:06
Jo
Aye.
00:19:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
didn
00:19:07
Jo
Aye.
00:19:07
Michael
but So you could separate, you know, you could definitely separate them enough to so you could see the levels in place. But I think the NFL is an example of how it's done well.
00:19:18
Michael
And if we are going to end up with this commercialized version of the Premier League, ah the ah who's better at commercializing everything than the Americans?
00:19:26
Jo
Yep.
00:19:26
Michael
So maybe take some of their book.
00:19:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
We love the Americans.
00:19:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
We love the Americans, we do. and Let's just copy off everything we do.
00:19:34
Michael
ah
00:19:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think you've got a great point there in and i agree I agree with the wage cap, but my issue there would be you've got a cold power on 200k a week, but then all you would do is just say, well actually you'll get 100k appearance fee, 100k non-use substitute fee,
00:19:38
Jo
We kind of do with other things.
00:19:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
um so either way they're getting it because the bonuses are there and clubs will find a way around it and i think that is that's the frustrating thing here is the clubs who are the so-called big six or who are already established commercially like man united huge club chelsea man city are up there now um they are it seems that they're always going to have an advantage because they'll just find loopholes where they can manipulate figures like that and i think the wage cap is a great idea but my issue then is can you just cancel all additional kind of sums after that until you can't have an appearance fee anymore, you can't have a non-use substitute fee, you can't have a goal bonus anymore, I don't know how much ruling you could take over it, how much it then turns into just clubs taking the Premier League to court, we've already seen Man City do it, it could get very messy and I think that's the issue we're having now is
00:20:40
Jo
Yeah.
00:20:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think when it was first brought in, Michael, Michael made a grave point. It was brought in place for the right reasons, but the problem is the wrong people are now running it. And that was a brilliant thing to say because I think we all can agree with that. And it's, I wish I kind of thought of it myself if I'm honest, but I give Michael the credit. um But yeah, that that is where the issue is now. How do we get them people out? How do we make it fair? But how do we do it where there isn't just complete uproar in the Premier Leagues in court case after court case after court case? It's going to be very, very difficult.
00:21:19
Michael
Yeah, I'll do some.
00:21:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right. We've got a little bit more, a tiny bit more to talk about in terms of Newcastle and FFP in part three. And then we've got a little quiz, but before that, we need our second sponsorship message, which is brought to us from the magician, where there's Michael.
00:21:34
Michael
I told you, i'd out of the two options, I didn't want the magician. um But I am actually going to magic up the correct GSPN advert, because no one on this pod's ever used it.
00:21:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Doesn't exist.
00:21:46
Jo
asked true
00:21:46
Michael
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00:22:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'll tell you what, that is actually a great advert. I wish we could use that one more.
00:22:12
Jo
That's true.
00:22:15
Jo
Michael man. We should just record him. We should just record your voice.
00:22:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
We'll just find them out, Michael. Send back all of us, please. That's a little better than one. We'd normally use. But yeah, excellent. you can Again, Michael, well done.
00:22:23
Jo
ah
00:22:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
So I guess part three, what I want to do is I want to talk about Newcastle's situation and our relationship with FFP because let's face it, it's been nothing but a negative one. and
Newcastle's Financial Challenges
00:22:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
It seems to me, I'm going to put my kind of thought in first. I mean, I just want you guys to either add to it, take away from it or keep you talking absolute rubbish. m It seems like, I don't know if I mean a typical paranoid fan here, right? Or if it's like Newcastle against the world, the hate Northerners. I don't know if it's that, right? But it seems like every time Newcastle try and do something, try and open up a door, which other clubs have done in the past,
00:22:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
the Premier League are like nope we're gonna shut that door that can't be done anymore you must ask us for permission and that just feels so unfair. Why aren't we taking the Premier League to court? Because let's face it, a lot of these new rules were brought in and it's set in a documentary by Amanda which was brilliant to hear. A lot of these new rules were were just brought in because they were scared of us. ah Again, I'm being a typical Newcastle fan man. All the Premier League not really that bothered about Newcastle. We're not that important of a book. In my head, it's like, why can't we call our ah
00:23:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
train and ground Saudi Airways Park or Saudi Airlines Park and charge ourselves $100 billion for it. and but caused We then brought in the advertisement rule where it has to go through a Premier League, it has to be fit and proper and all that rubbish. That's never existed before. That was brought in because we had our owners. That's how it feels anyway. Michael, he'll be the first to tell us, am I talking a whole load of rubbish or do I maybe have a point that we're genuinely terrified of Newcastle's spending power?
00:23:56
Michael
ah no I think you've genuinely got a point, but what I would say is could you imagine if there were two Manchester cities in Newcastle weren't the second one? We'd be absolutely fuming. If this was Sunderland on the other hand, that geezer that bought them for £10, £1, whatever it was, imagine if that was a Saudi prince, he's took them into the Premier League, they're the next man city, we'd be absolutely foaming. So there is a point of, you know,
00:24:26
Michael
having a second city would be horrible for the league. um It is unfortunate that they've decided to clamp it down when it's us um and not originally when it was Manchester City but I think They are going to stop us every single time they can.
00:24:43
Michael
but i think And there was a there was a little bit of this in the documentary as well. It's just sort of trying to walk before we can run to try and figure out what we could get away with and what we can't.
00:24:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm. Hmm.
00:24:54
Jo
Okay.
00:24:54
Michael
And I think that's why we haven't seen some of the mictake that you see with sponsorships from other clubs just yet.
00:25:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:00
Michael
Because you know we could have a ah leg tattoo sponsorship or whatever it is.
00:25:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
That'd be amazing.
00:25:06
Michael
um Yeah, for our players.
00:25:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
All for last.
00:25:09
Michael
and ah yeah We could get all these ridiculous sponsors in, but it's a case of everything we do is going to be heavily scrutinised.
00:25:09
Jo
oh
00:25:17
Michael
And until sort of the at the Premier League, at the head, that's not going to change.
00:25:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:25:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, unfortunately not.
00:25:24
Jo
yeah
00:25:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
It does seem like it's just... it's I agree with everything you said, actually but I think the second city, if it's Newcastle United, it's great for the league because we get the challenge for titles. in there you know we
00:25:38
Michael
He would.
00:25:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah yes and But and again, just to go back, I don't think any Saudi prince is interested in Sunderland, because I mean, who is Sunderland?
00:25:42
Jo
Yeah They don't know where it is
00:25:47
Michael
They couldn't point to it on a map.
00:25:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
whatley Exactly.
00:25:49
Michael
but
00:25:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
I haven't even got an airport.
00:25:50
Jo
ah
00:25:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
I have to fly from Newcastle, don't I? Anyway, oh, come on, come on, George. Do you think it is just anti Newcastle or am I being a little bit over the top? Is it is it not anti Newcastle, but it's kind of anti competition?
00:26:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Maybe. I don't know.
00:26:07
Jo
I mean, I've got no rights. I've said exactly what you've just said plenty of times, and I think many Jordies have, haven't they? You know, we do feel very picked on sometimes, and we're not as bad as the Scousers, you know, because we're not as woe as me as them, but you know.
00:26:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:26:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
We're offending a lot of people today.
00:26:19
Jo
um
00:26:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
I like it. I like it.
00:26:23
Jo
It's got to be done, man. um No, but in reality,
00:26:26
Michael
Go out there and get yourself in the conversation.
00:26:29
Jo
exactly yeah fight me it's fine i'll just not read it um money joke um but no it it is a strange one because you've got to sometimes take your kind of Newcastle bias hat off and i do still think even with that hat off like yeah they are still a bit against us because it did seem perfectly timed that when they had to pass in the end and they couldn't block take over going through which i do still believe that they are so mad that they couldn't because they tried everything possible to try and stop this takeover let's get real and it took they spent a lot of time like trying to stop it because it could have went through a lot faster than it did we all know that and people outside of the club know that surely um in the end they couldn't do it they had to admit defeat and they had to pass it so how do they get us back they restrict us
00:27:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep.
00:27:18
Jo
so that kind of feels and again it's like am I being biased here or am I actually being a bit spot on that it's almost like a we'll let you do it but yeah you're not gonna spend anywhere near what you guys think you're gonna spend type of I don't know attitude and I see where Michael's coming from by the way because if this happened with the Mackhams they would we would hate them as much as they hate us because they are jealous of course they're jealous they hate
00:27:39
Michael
Yeah.
00:27:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
never We're never going to buy something. We don't even know who we are.
00:27:43
Jo
they don't know where they are but even if they happen to find out where they were like someone was pointing on a map and their finger slipped a bit south like the point is i do understand that but they're already jealous as hell of us now they're even more jealous i mean naturally so i mean come on you'd you'd be mad as hell if your rivals were like this rich apparently so they must be licking their chops that we can't spend the money that we can but then i'd laugh right back at them and i'd say you know guys come on man you can't even get it yourselves out of the championship either
00:27:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
If a board brighten.
00:28:03
Michael
yeah
00:28:12
Jo
But ah that's another conversation because it's a whole other part and I'm probably going to take up all the time now. um But yeah. But yeah, it's a strange one. So yeah, I agree with who is what I'm saying, Kev. But in reality, it's probably not as as bad towards us as we want to think or make out.
Reflections and Quiz on Newcastle
00:28:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think, I think again, I know I but joked at the start, obviously the mild card Wednesday and not a very wild one, but actually is, I think this stuff has to be spoken about because fans, it's not, we go back to the original point, it's not fan friendly.
00:28:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
None of us really know what comes under infrastructure and all that stuff. So, and we haven't even, yeah, exactly.
00:28:46
Michael
Nah, I ain't got a clue.
00:28:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
We haven't even touched on, we haven't even touched on Leicester saying that they weren't in the Premier League over championship for a period. So we got a wave of a points deduction. when they got promoted back up because they were in between leagues.
00:28:56
Michael
Yeah.
00:28:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
The fact that that's even a loophole, who drew up that contract? Well, it's funny. What's going on there? Unbelievable. Anyway, it's it is still wildcard Wednesday.
00:29:07
Jo
Uh-uh.
00:29:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
It has been a little bit different. and So we are going to end with a very, very quick quiz.
00:29:11
Jo
Uh-uh.
00:29:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's only one question. I'm just going to see who gets either the most answers or closest to the top. You might have seen it on social media. I really hope you haven't because if you have, it's going to ruin the whole thing. But we'll see. So let's Let's have a look.
00:29:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm not going to tell you why I'm asking this question. I'll tell you at the end why I'm asking it because it might give away a couple of answers. Newcastle United's all-time Premier League goals. Everybody know, obviously, Alan Sheehy was top and all that stuff.
00:29:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
But what about assists? So I've got Newcastle United's top 10 assist makers. I think we just go into in turn and see how many you can name. him So Premier League era only with some surprising and names on here, by the way.
00:29:49
Michael
to
00:29:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Who makes Newcastle United's top 10 most Premier League assists? We'll go ladies.
00:29:59
Michael
Novice... Oh.
00:30:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
We'll go ladies first who might just nick Michael's answer. Actually, wait, no, Michael is a lady today.
00:30:05
Jo
No, I'm not.
00:30:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Michael, you go first.
00:30:07
Jo
Oh yes, let him go first, yeah.
00:30:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
You go first.
00:30:09
Michael
Yes!
00:30:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
It pays off in a woman.
00:30:12
Michael
Novicellado.
00:30:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, back on. Here's number one, Michael.
00:30:17
Michael
Yeah.
00:30:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
54 assists, by the way.
00:30:19
Jo
Yeah.
00:30:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's insane. He wasn't even there for a massive amount of time either.
00:30:20
Michael
that's incredible That's incredible.
00:30:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, yeah, 54 assists.
00:30:24
Michael
Nah.
00:30:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Nobby Solana, number one. Joe, name one.
00:30:28
Jo
I was gonna say dire.
00:30:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Kieran Dye is on there. He is fifth with 32 assists. So, he's still, you know, quite a way behind Nobby Solana, but that's a good effort, especially someone who was injured quite a lot.
00:30:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Michael, can you name anybody else in the top 10?
00:30:38
Jo
Mm-hmm.
00:30:41
Michael
I'm trying to think, show the rammy you'll be.
00:30:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Great answer. He's won behind Kieran Dyer, played for us for a lot of years, played as a striker, a lot of knockdowns.
00:30:50
Jo
Ow.
00:30:50
Michael
Yeah.
00:30:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think he's got two of the best assists I've ever seen.
00:30:54
Michael
Pumpy.
00:30:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
He knocked the ball down for Shira when he hit the body against Everton, and he's also got the assist when he headed the ball or flicked the ball into Shira's path to score the record-breaking goal. So Shola's got two fantastic assists.
00:31:05
Michael
Yeah. Unreal.
00:31:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Joe, back to you.
00:31:10
Jo
Rob Lee.
00:31:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Rob Lee, number three, 34 assists, he's joint third, by the way.
00:31:12
Michael
right
00:31:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
um But yes, Rob Lee is on there. So far we have Solano, Rob Lee, Kieran Dyer and Shola Amiobi. Michael?
00:31:25
Michael
um I am going to go for Shira.
00:31:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Alan Sheeran, number two, you've now got the top three Alan Sheeran, 40 assists again there for round about 10 years.
00:31:39
Jo
nice Nice.
00:31:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Played up front, not to flick ons.
00:31:42
Michael
Yeah.
00:31:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Him and Bellamy had a good partnership. Makes sense. So we've got Solano, Sheeran, Lee, Dyer, Amiobi, Joe.
00:31:53
Jo
Strange enough, you've literally just sent the answer I was gonna give, so hopefully he's there. Is it Bellamy?
00:31:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Craig Bellamy is not in our top 10 all-time assists.
00:32:02
Jo
Oh well.
00:32:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't think he was there for long enough, was he? He was more of a, like he ran my channels and probably got them pre-assists, but yeah, he's not on.
00:32:03
Michael
oh
00:32:06
Jo
No.
00:32:09
Michael
Oh.
00:32:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's not there. There is some surprises coming up by where I'm going to end it in a second.
00:32:12
Jo
That's fair enough.
00:32:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Joel's got one wrong. Michael, that means Julia out might be on your own. How many more can you get?
00:32:20
Michael
Probably none, but I will. I will give it a try. ah I'm going to go.
00:32:25
Jo
to
00:32:26
Michael
I don't think he was here for long enough, but I'm going to go James Milner.
00:32:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
James Milner, you're out. He's also not there.
00:32:36
Michael
Yeah.
00:32:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's not on our all-time top 10. So I'll go through it.
00:32:39
Jo
It's a tied game.
00:32:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Solano's top with 54. Shira is second with 40. Rob Lee, 34. Joint with Rob Lee is Lauren Robert. 34 assists. Lots of corners taken.
00:32:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Lots of people taken. Yeah. Kieran Dyer, 32. Shola Amiobi, 31 assists. Peter Beasley is seventh. 26 assists are probably all for Andy Cole, but we know about our partnership.
00:32:51
Michael
I thought he was too selfish.
00:33:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm going to skip number eight, because this is the reason why I'm asking the question. Number nine is Matt Ritchie.
00:33:08
Michael
Ooh.
00:33:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's actually joined with three players on ninth. Matt Ritchie with 19.
00:33:13
Michael
Don't say...
00:33:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Alan St. Maximin on 19.
00:33:14
Jo
Wow.
00:33:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
And Charles Nzogbia. is joined. Charles ends up, yeah. um So but that's quite surprising.
00:33:23
Jo
Would never have guessed him.
00:33:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
I quite like them little stats. However, number eight, who I didn't mention, now on 20 assists, thanks to two at the weekend, is Jacob Murphy.
00:33:32
Michael
Wayyyy!
00:33:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's eight. All-time Premier League assists.
00:33:36
Jo
Yes, Mr.
00:33:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's eight.
00:33:37
Jo
Murphy.
00:33:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well done, Murph. Getting on that list.
00:33:41
Michael
Hang on, Jake and Murphy had more assists for us than James Milner and all that.
00:33:41
Jo
I'm so mad I didn't say my boy. I love that.
00:33:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep, yep.
00:33:47
Michael
That's insane!
00:33:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
He has, indeed.
00:33:48
Jo
It's mad, isn't it?
00:33:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Go on the Premier League website.
00:33:51
Jo
But he's just your bog stand dead squad player, did you not know?
00:33:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Filled with biases. He is, but we all love him. We all love him. Right.
00:33:58
Jo
We do.
00:33:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's been a brilliant episode. I've thoroughly enjoyed it as always. Thank you very much, Michael and Joe, for your time. We've got crossover tomorrow, so make sure you tune in for that as it's a massive game against Leicester.
00:34:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
You'll hear from us tomorrow. Until then.