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Episode 196: There's a lot of Magic Happening
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Introduction and Updates
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Hello Podwalkers and welcome back to another episode of the Goblin Lore Podcast.
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Today you have your host, Hobbs Q, that's me, and Taya, who are going to be with you. Alex has stepped away for the evening. He just got back from a camping trip. That's what people do in Minnesota. They go up to cabins on the weekend, which is a lot of fun. Also very
Gratitude and Sponsorship
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exhausting. I know that they were doing a lot of like Pathfinder and other stuff while they were up there, which once again, in my experience, that probably means sleep schedules and everything else get a little affected.
00:01:02
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So Tay and I are here. I am also still not feeling great after having family that was sick all last week and myself last week and welcoming a new dog to the household. So we shifted some stuff around and Tay and I are going to just bring you kind of a little bit of a quick hits episode on some recent magic news. So before we go too much further, I want to make sure that we're thanking the Granging Coffee Company. So they are amazing, amazing sponsors that are just partners, I guess.
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that we have worked with for most of the show that they've been around. They make coffee available for you. You can get a discount code. You just have to go to the website. All of our links, we do have other ones in terms of discounts, are available on our link tree, which will be in the show's notes. But we always give a special shout out to
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grinding coffee company because they are a minority-led LGBT-owned coffee company that partners with gamers. And we really believe in their kind of their mission. So without
Media Enjoyment and Technology
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further ado, we are going to jump in. My name is Hobbs Q. As I've said, my pronouns are he, him, and we're going to set this up. It's kind of a question of the day today that is important to me.
00:02:11
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We're going to talk about something that we are grateful for today. I always think this is an important exercise to do because earlier today I posted my Better Days MTG, which is kind of the hashtag that me and a few other people have been using to kind of post some daily videos or near daily videos about mental health.
00:02:31
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And while I was out doing that, I was realizing like my day was just shitty. Like I didn't have a clear cut reason. I just was exhausted, not feeling well, still getting over being sick. And I just was having a crappy day. And on days like that, I can easily lose sight of just anything to be grateful for. Hilariously, the thing that I am grateful for today is actually something that was causing me an incredible amount of stress all weekend, which was my iPad died last week. It would no longer update apps.
00:02:59
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And I went through everything factory reset. I completely wiped it. I had
Magic: The Gathering Identity Discussion
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to do it by hooking it back up to the computer. It still wouldn't activate. After it activated, it still wouldn't download apps. And I finally got it to last night. And why I'm grateful for that is with Doctor Who being like talked about a ton lately with the universe beyond coming out.
00:03:22
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It made me really rewanna want to rewatch, especially the first season with Christopher Ecclestone, who's one of actually he may be my favorite doctor of the new of the new batch, which is a lot saying a lot because he only was on it for one season. But he really allowed the show to reboot. And I don't think without his season being as good as it was, we don't get the continuation of Doctor Who in today's like zeitgeist is fantastic.
00:03:48
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Yeah. Yeah. He just I was having this discussion today that I actually I am willing to make a discussion for him to be Grixxis. And this is part of my ongoing rants that Grixxis doesn't have clear identity other than villain. And they don't really. It's not really developed as anything that has like a cohesive mechanical element. It really is like
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We have evil people and those are the colors that I guess can tilt that way, but it doesn't look at what the hero side of that could be. So that's
Positive Social Media Practices
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what I am grateful for today. Uh, I'm going to throw over to you, Taya. Hey, I'm Taya. Taya transcends on Twitter or blue sky. Uh, she heard, they then pronouns and, um, I've had a brother.
00:04:38
Speaker
lousy day dealing with dental insurance bs uh so i had to think really hard about what it is that kind of made me happy today and it's on topic for what we're going to talk about and it's when i saw on facebook and i had missed this in the announcements over the weekend but uh i saw on facebook that there was going to be a final fantasy um magic set and that really um
00:05:06
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just made me the happiest little girl uh you can imagine because i have been playing final fantasy since the original game as a you know little girl with my nes uh wow yeah i love their i love the world um i will talk more about it when we get into the announcements later um but that just
00:05:34
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And hearing that it's going to be a full set really kind of made my day and I needed something positive and that was definitely a positive bit. And also just, you know, yay for seeing something positive on Facebook instead of more negativity. My Facebook
Magic's 30th Anniversary and Future Sets
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is fairly positive because I have heavily curated my Facebook content to be extremely gay and
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I have a no family policy on my Facebook profile, which really helps my keep my feed nice and quite queer and overwhelmingly happy.
00:06:18
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Supportive, right? You know, a lot more supportive. I mean, based on, you know, I am friends with you there and I see a lot of support posts and I really, I appreciate it. My Facebook tends to be heavily curated. The only bad stuff I get on Facebook is in the random magic groups I'm in, shockingly. My favorite today was basically
00:06:37
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accusing Mark Rosewater of choosing which universe is beyond to prop up sales or something like that. And I was like, do these people have zero understanding of like different divisions within Wizards? Like Mark Rosewater is like the nefarious genius apparently that designs cards.
00:07:00
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and like negotiates with IPs. Like what? Yeah, it just it just cracks me up. It's like when I hear all of the this card is banned in EDH because Sheldon lost to it sort of. Yeah. So well, you mentioned getting to hear about that today over the weekend was Gen Con.
00:07:22
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And Gen Con, it was the 30th anniversary, literal 30th anniversary as in magic's 30th birthday. Why did they start celebrating it last year? Because that made no sense. They're celebrating the whole 30th year, the 30th year. I know, I completely agree.
00:07:42
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But no, GenCon literally at Saturday was August 5th, 30 years ago today, Magic debuted on the GenCon floor. And that coincided with a very big Magic panel. And when I say big, I was not prepared for how big it was going to be. And what I mean is
00:08:01
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Usually we get very slow rollout of what's coming up in magic, right? We used to get I remember the good old days and we're going to get into this a little bit because it did pop up, which made me kind of chuckle and laugh, like set code names. And that was like it. It was for a block. It wasn't a block that far removed. We didn't get full slates of product at all.
00:08:30
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Yeah, I remember we used to get like the next year and a half of codenames. That would be it because Mark would refer to the codenames in his articles a lot. So we would get the codenames for like the next year and a half.
00:08:44
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That would be all that we would have. Yeah, a name, right? And like, yeah, the names were things that came in three at that point, like Rock, and then usually they would have something at PAX would be their big announcement event. It used to be and they would announce the next year sets at PAX. But just that year, we wouldn't get anything beyond that. Well, we got a lot. Yeah, we sure did. We we we got.
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all of 2024, a decent amount of 2025 and into 2026. So I think this is a very interesting thing for Wizards to do to just lay out there. This is what is coming. Yeah, and it's not just it's not just tidbits, you know, you know, they didn't we got less detail as the timeline goes out, which makes sense because they're still developing.
00:09:44
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things that are two years out from now and also they don't want to give out spoilers. But they gave us info that we wouldn't have gotten years from now. They've told us that the 2026 set codename Yodding is a Strixhaven set. We never would have gotten that sort of information before. No. We would have gotten the name Yodding. Yeah.
00:10:10
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So, like, we got a lot of information. We want to kind of go through this because there's some stuff coming. Oh, excuse me, that we did get a good amount of information on that we just thought we would run through and kind of hit some of what our highlights are, things that what our thoughts are about what is coming down the road for Magic over the next couple of years. I love speculating, and there's a lot of story stuff to speculate here.
00:10:32
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as well there is so we can kind of the first one is like what we got first was basically we're getting another remastered set and it's not shocking it's Ravnica remastered we're at nine sets
00:10:44
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Yeah, right. Like if anything else was going to get the next remastered in a week, we've had time spiral remastered. We've had Dominaria remastered that was massive. Like Ravnica was obviously a pretty good choice. Coolest part here for me was retro borders for some cards that I might like in retro border. Yeah. Cranko being one of the ones they revealed. So I'm sure that. Yep. Yep. Make you happy.
00:11:14
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I like the key art here, uh, featuring Ral, which is cool that they have, you know, our favorite gay guild master front and center on the product. But there's dragons all over the set on a guild or on a plane famously known for its dragons. They're, they're drakes, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:42
Speaker
Who knows what Ralph's Eric's doing? Is it him finally snapped? Is the product of too many goblins? But from there, we jumped straight into our first real set, which
00:11:58
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I mean, I don't know. I was excited for a lot of this. This is my kind of set. It's called murders at Karlov Manor. There's actually a Ravnica clue edition that it will be coming out as well. It's not just a reskin of clue the board game. It's going to combine clue and magic. And this set, we got key art here that is very. Very good, and I am not biased.
00:12:25
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at all. No, I'm I'm sure Cranko being one of the one of the six people in this art has nothing to do with your opinion. Yeah, nothing at all. I actually. It is Lee Sedio on art, so that's a start for me. I love Lee. It has Massacre Girl. It's got Aurelia. It's got a random is it? I don't know. Like, I don't know what that thing is.
00:12:54
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the via Shino. Is it a via Shino? Like, yeah, I guess it definitely looks like a via Shino. Okay, so that's cool. Um, we have somebody from Azorius. I don't actually know who that one is. No. And an unnamed woman and Cranko. Yeah. So
00:13:16
Speaker
It's a top down murder mystery set that's just happening to take place on Ravnica. I like it. They've said it's not it's not part of like a block or it's not like tying into a the larger story necessarily. It is a straight up murder mystery. Everyone would blame Cranko, but Massacre Girl is there.
00:13:41
Speaker
Well, so Cranko being the legitimate businessman that he is and known for his being an upstanding citizen. I think that's a red herring. I said on Twitter, I posted he's the Ben Juan Blanc. Like this is straight up like knives out shit. And Cranko is actually the one investigating the murder, obviously. Oh, he's a.
00:14:08
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Yeah, I also saw the post is that like, you know, I don't know who we have to, uh, who we have to campaign, whether we have to like.
00:14:19
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boxes to Blake or whatever. But if there's like a card for the set, we have to be the ones to preview this card. Right, Blake, if you're listening, I guess Diana DeMarco, we put part of that creator group. If that's part, if there's anything to do, we don't know who we need to send stuff to. But and it will be nice gift baskets. We're yes, we're goblins, but we are tasteful goblins that send nice gifts. But yes,
00:14:44
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any opportunity for us to spoil or to preview Cranko would be, I don't even know. I would probably just quit magic, but... Well, don't say that. Then we definitely won't. Okay, right. Shoot. You will buy lots of...
00:15:02
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I will probably buy out the artist's proofs. I mean, I did buy 30, you see a pair of goblins. So there, let us help support the artist out there, Wizards, if you're listening to this.
00:15:20
Speaker
So that's the biggest thing. It is. I like that it's a standalone. This was something that when they talked about moving away from a block style structure that I kind of like this idea that maybe it's just like a check in that doesn't have to be part of an overall narrative. I actually really like that kind of an idea. Yeah, I do. I find it amusing that it's a murder mystery set on a plane where spirits are common and
00:15:48
Speaker
necromancy could just raise the dead and ask them well you know that's good maybe that's what the key is here you know like the the person must not have had a deal with the orzav no he didn't have it didn't have a spiritual contract with the orzav apparently so that narrows it down yeah um you know probably maybe doesn't have friends with the golgari
00:16:19
Speaker
I do find that amusing in worlds where necromancy exists that murder mysteries are a thing. Well, this is our first one. Let's hope it's not our last. So we actually leave there and Lee ends up getting a second piece of splash art.
00:16:45
Speaker
Like, that's awesome. I'm just really excited. But we are moving in quarter two of 2024 to outlaws of Thunder Junction. Now, this is something that people have been wanting slash dreading for a very long time. It's a Western themed set, basically.
00:17:06
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kind of the Wild West idea. Now, Mark Rosewater said it's all about villains. He kind of made like a quote about, well, how exciting is it's not just villains from a plane, it's villains across the multiverse. So we're sitting here with this idea. Now, I've already made some bold predictions before I heard Mark Rosewater's quotes, number one of which is this art which has five characters on it, six characters on it.
00:17:35
Speaker
Yeah, that demon doesn't really count. He's in the background are not a group of villains. That is my first called shot. Seven, seven counting the big picture of Oko at the top. Well, but the middle the middle person in that group of six.
00:17:53
Speaker
with a good zoom in, the arm markings and hat are almost identical to what Oko's wearing. So. Yeah. OK, so that could just be. Yeah. The smaller version of him. Yeah. Yeah. But I like the call off that the demon is Ractos. Ractos has been. But Ractos is not villainous. Like, oh, oh.
00:18:22
Speaker
No, it's too big for ob, and ob is...
00:18:27
Speaker
I think Ab is fine on new kapena. I think they're just going to leave them there. I don't think they're going to move them. So so that's why I was smiling. Ractose too, though. Ractose is a lot bigger than that. But the wings don't look right for Ab. Right. And so this is where people this has been the fun speculation when you get art like this. Right. Yeah. And you can zoom in pretty well. I did a special like my CSI enhance on this.
00:18:54
Speaker
And I zoomed in. And you know, there's something to be said, like, it is silhouettes. So theoretically, retcos could be further behind the group. So from like a camera panning perspective, if he is farther in the background, he could be very large behind them. The fire do look very reactive. They do. I
00:19:15
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I do have to say that, but, you know, Rakdos is supposed to be in the neighborhood of 30 feet tall. Yes. I also would contend not a villain. Now, last we saw. Last we saw. He's known for murdering half of an audience if somebody gets too popular for...
00:19:39
Speaker
But that just seems in line with the Rakdos, like that's just like living out your guilt, like that's not like, you know, like, I think it's expected, right? I mean, that's the whole point of the Rakdos. I mean, the last thing we saw of him was allowing Gideon to ride his back into battle. Now, you could contend that he just sees Bullis as too big of a threat to him. Yeah, which I'm pretty sure is the only thing. Yeah, that's...
00:20:07
Speaker
But like, I don't know. I also OK, so we have a Gorgon, you know, the a lot of these are set up where people are trying to figure out who it could be. And a lot of that is based off of existing characters. So, yeah, I'm going to set that as we're looking through these. So people think Rasca because she's a Gorgon. There's somebody standing next to her. So. You know, first guess is Jace. Um.
00:20:37
Speaker
I want to talk about the little dude on the far left of this article. Yeah, so this hipsters article you linked me earlier suggests tiny bones. It does suggest tiny bones. And I will say, this is that whole like, zooming in, there does seem to be some nobbiness to those knees. Like,
00:21:01
Speaker
that may be beyond what I thought initially, which is a goblin. And I can't believe I'm admitting this on air. Because I wanted it to be like Squeak. Like, I had to be flat out wanted this to be Squeak. Like he's a sharpshooter. Yeah, he is. Zap is a card. We've talked about it on the show.
00:21:28
Speaker
But people think that it's Tiny Boats. Yeah. Which would be an interesting place to introduce a throwaway character from Jumpstart as a key art character. Yeah. Tiny Boats has a lot of fans. That's what I learned yesterday when I posted that. A lot of Tiny Bone fans. A lot of Tiny Bone fans. I mean, people who like playing degenerate commander decks,
00:21:55
Speaker
I think it's that like, cause I had a lot of love when I posted this to like, I said that this man, this was magic's war shock exam. Like this is flat up our first war shock. And people, I had, I had some calls for Fivlethipp just being actually like totally lost, like really lost. I mean, now that the Omen pass are open, this is a real opportunity for them to put Fivlethipp in every set. I said, you know, I think he looked pretty happy with Borber Igmos.
00:22:23
Speaker
Yeah. So, you know, he did, but he's not going to stay there forever. He's going to get lost again. So, so Fiffle Fiff would be my backup choice if it's not sweet. But I hope for the love of the Tiny Bones fans, that could be interesting.
00:22:41
Speaker
Uh, this is like a heist type situation. Some have talked about you like a train robbery. He could be like your, your thief, even though Oko is, is a thief, but in a different way. Um, I detest Oko. I, I'm not a fan of mind control shenanigans. Um, so I, I really don't like Oko as a character.
00:23:08
Speaker
Yeah, so I'm not looking forward to him coming back, but.
00:23:15
Speaker
Uh, especially if the villains are like the main part of the story, maybe, maybe Rakdos will double cross him and devour the whole party. Um, but I mean, this does set up, like I, I, like I said, I hadn't read about the villain thing. I thought that this group, even though it could potentially have Oco being in the middle art, you know, it is splash art. We, we, we're assuming that this group is going somewhere together. That's what it looks like. We've seen that that's not always been the case.
00:23:45
Speaker
Um, I was hoping for a little bit more of kind of a like seven samurai, um, magnificent seven, like, uh, like misunderstood, quote unquote outlaws protecting a village or a town versus like a heist. And we could get that, that, I mean, we very well could get that with this key art because there's, there's, there's a village off onto the left side of the yard and.
00:24:13
Speaker
Um, I don't see that happening if that's Oco, uh, yes. And if it's all about villains, I don't know what that means. Right. Yeah. Misunderstood villain. I yeah.
00:24:29
Speaker
I don't know. There's not much to misunderstand about Oko. He was willing to throw a whole a whole plane in the chaos just because he doesn't like government. Right. Well, but I mean, like, but not in a good way. But I
Magic and Assassin's Creed Expansions
00:24:44
Speaker
mean, like, but I mean, like, you know, we have other people in this like rasca that we it's not a clear villain. Right. There's always I wouldn't call, you know. So like, what does villain mean? How much liberty is Mark Rosewater having with that word?
00:25:01
Speaker
But our risk here is the Wild West is about expansion, manifest destiny, oftentimes like stereotypically tropes of, you know, natives. There's risks here. There are landmines with this. Yeah, it's. Now we will be getting this after Ixalan. Yes. So seeing how they handle
00:25:30
Speaker
like Mesoamerican or kind of some more quote unquote native type culture. And I think they did pretty well with it the first time around in Ixalan. Yes. Better than they have done for a lot of sets. Yes. And we're coming off of neon dynasty. We're coming off. I mean, we've had some wins and I don't know. Maybe that's why this set has been so long coming. I don't know. Excuse me.
00:25:59
Speaker
It's one of those ones like I'm nervous about. And I also really like a lot of themes that come from both like Western and then like the overlap with the Japanese kind of Western aspect. And then that being pulled into other cultures because that was the basis for those samurai movies was the whole spaghetti Western
00:26:27
Speaker
Yeah, and then like Kurosawa, and then, you know, we get the we get the, you know, the Magnificent Seven coming off of Kurosawa, Star Wars coming off Kurosawa. I mean, like, there's a lot of inner place here that can be very interesting. But this is the set that I think is the most it's like it's I'm talking a lot about it, because we got kind of the most info. And it's, it's been on my wish list of what I would like.
00:26:49
Speaker
And uncertainty of with how that would come. I mean, when we talked about our universe beyonds that we would want to see, I said like the dark tower series because I wanted to see that kind of a world. So we're going to get one. We are going to get one. Okay. Next up. On horizon three, that's more of a mechanical set. You know, they always do bring in some, like we got our first printing of Sarah and.
00:27:18
Speaker
the original modern horizon. So we get some story interesting bits. We got our first printing of ursa in modern horizon. So I think the main interest in modern horizons will be to see what story tidbits they dig up and stick in the set. Yes, yes. I mean, each time there has been a level of warping to modern as a format.
00:27:47
Speaker
Yes, it's like breaking modern and commander. I mean, how... Regga Vans everywhere, you just can't get rid of them. But I mean, like, Hogak was like, that just, I mean, that's literally just straight up broke modern. Yes. Currently, we have the Elementals, which are, you know, I mean, we're seeing Legacy and everything else. I mean, they're so... They've added a...
00:28:17
Speaker
Each time they've kind of have taken it. So they did say. It they do have access to all of the mechanics of the past. I don't know what that means. The main thing, the main difference that is calling out is there were no double face cards in Modern Horizons, one or two, and they are printing double face cards this time. So anything that was off the table because of that.
00:28:47
Speaker
The first two times are on the table this time. Okay. Then. Okay. So transform. Okay. Maybe some new version, like new werewolves, I guess, theoretically, then it also gives us, they could do some new werewolves. They could do some new flipping planes, walkers.
00:29:10
Speaker
I don't know if we can finally get the Ugin. We could get the Ugin card, I guess. Yeah, we could get a pre pre and post. I don't know. I don't have a lot. No. I unfortunately don't have a lot for the next one either. No, I don't because I'm not a huge I'm not a big fan of the style of gameplay. So I don't really know much about Assassin's Creed.
00:29:39
Speaker
I know the general gist of the game. Uh, I played it just not my kind of game, but, um, that's fine. And I actually, this, this universe beyond is the area that I feel like I can most easily say versus others that I can skip. And I'm excited for the people who are excited for it. Like I really am. Yeah. And it's great. You know what? It's.
00:30:08
Speaker
I like it better when it's when it's not mechanically unique cards that you know I might you know to me though it doesn't matter as much if I if there's a card I want to use even if it's Assassin's Creed I will use it in my deck yeah you know I'm not so big like the Walking Dead ones those ones were really like I really don't want to put this in my deck
00:30:31
Speaker
Yeah. Um, well, there was, yeah, there was, yeah. We talked about universe beyond products before, uh, recently. So yeah. Um, we've definitely done that. I'm not, I'm overall a big fan of universes beyond this particular one. I could, you know, take it or leave it. Um, I'm not a fan of how they're distributing it. It's.
00:30:56
Speaker
a booster product, but it's not draftable. So you're they're selling randomized packs that are basically like set boosters, which you have no. Well, they say for this to be a randomized pack, they're saying that it's supposed to take you on a journey unique to the universe. It's called a beyond a booster. Yeah, that's just a way to say they're randomized.
00:31:29
Speaker
that is the most marketing speak marketing speak oh man i thought i was cynical but here we go anyway let's move on to like i think something that both you and i were really excited about yeah so bloom burrow looks fantastic and this is they spoiled this art um
00:31:54
Speaker
about a month ago. I forget where it was, but they didn't say anything else about this art. San Diego Comic Con. They did like a Mark Rosewater like shows like eight images. That's where it was. Yeah. And then provide any context. So this little mouse warrior fighting this giant like volcanic wolf. And now we know what set it goes to, which is the set they said would never happen, a set with no humans in it, which I don't know what's so controversial about that. We don't need
00:32:24
Speaker
humans in every set, but I'm also one of those filthy furries. What do I know? This is already being branded the furry set, which I'm totally cool with.
00:32:40
Speaker
Yeah, I mean this set so I saw it I got big forgetting kind of the wolf because that's not as much of it I got big red wall vibes You mentioned a different would which is okay in the Setting which is also anthropomorphic animals I play I play a hedgehog druid in that setting
00:33:09
Speaker
Kaburi runs that game. It's a lot of nice. So I will say that people kind of said right when this initial art there was stuff that was not quite humblewood and stuff that was not quite Redwall, but people were really trying to figure out this is a universe beyond the idea that this is it's going to be its own plane that's going to obviously have elements of all of those IPs and you know what they can pull together as much as anthropomorphic animals are where there's no humans and that needs to be said for what I'm going to
00:33:38
Speaker
conspiracy theory about in a second here. You're like they decided to go their own route of of a whole plane. And I I love it. I'm really excited. They called it the cutest, most charming world we've ever made that will melt your heart. The art will melt your heart. I take that back. The art will. Yeah. Well, now I need to say what my my my.
00:34:02
Speaker
My conspiracy theory is is that we actually have a rats of nim situation where all of these animals have been experimented on. It is not going to be a cutesy world. Absolutely not. They're trying to lure us in by thinking that it's just this. It's actually going to be a kind of a dark world. That's what I'm going with. Interesting. Yeah.
00:34:27
Speaker
And the problem is I read a lot of rats of Nim growing up. I can see it goes that way. I don't know. Maybe for once, they'll just do something cute. And I don't know. I'd be interesting, though, because Planeswalkers exists and Omen Pass exists is I like what happened when a human does show up on this world? Right. So like maybe that is what happens. Yeah. Right. Like.
00:34:55
Speaker
They think they are alone because they're being experimented on or or as you said who knows maybe a planeswalker planes walks in like the similar to Vraska with her little statue from Sokovia. Yeah, you know take a Also wonderland hill situation and yeah
00:35:19
Speaker
I'm really excited for this set. I know a lot of furries that are too. There's going to be a lot of- A lot of cosplays. A lot of cosplays. There's going to be a lot of really good art from this set. Yeah. I'm so excited. That'll be just... I don't know how much you can take away from the key art, but...
00:35:49
Speaker
It does. I wonder how much of it is going to be like a. A green, white versus red, black sort of situation with blue somewhere in the middle. You know, or we flip it, we flip it. We we get we get the worlds that I love where black is the heroes. Yeah, I don't know that wolf's not looking awfully heroic in this. We're making assumptions on art that. Yeah, I guess that that is fair.
00:36:20
Speaker
that the red and black art is going to match up with red and black mechanically. But I'm just saying, I mean, it is a firewall. I don't know. I don't know what's going to go on there, but I love this Ryan Pankos art. I'm really interesting to see what the rest of this art looks like. I've got to wait a whole year to see it. The exciting part of it not being. Universe beyond.
00:36:49
Speaker
Yeah, there will be traditional artwork and proofs. Yep.
00:36:56
Speaker
And it probably should have cued me in cause I don't know how much Ryan Pankos actually, I don't know if they had the artist credit. I thought they did after San Diego comic con. Oh, I did. I made a comment that like, this can't be a universe beyond and less licensing changed. Yeah. I actually stated that at one point. I was like, wait a second. Ryan just posted this painting, like the art from it. So, okay. So we're rounding out 2024.
00:37:24
Speaker
with the Duskmorn House of Horror. So it's a horror set, but it's not Innistrad or even New Phyrexia. Yeah, they're calling it modern horror. Yeah, but they do say it's mainly referencing tropes from like the 70s, 80s, and I'm going to guess kind of beyond. We're looking at a lot more slasher film.
00:37:52
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, the art itself is pretty. Art looks very phyrexian. Right. OK. Yeah.
00:38:02
Speaker
And I believe there was another piece of art that was shown from this set and it showed like somebody looking to a mirror mirror splintered with different images and kind of each element of like that. So I don't know. My concern becomes always and this happened with both in a Strad and that is their concept of how they represent madness. Right. It always borders on risk for me in terms of mental stuff, but. Yeah.
00:38:32
Speaker
Yeah, so I think we might get more of our. This is where we need to have Chase on Chase needs to come on to discuss this because they have flat out like their legs are covered in like slasher film stars. They this is their genre. We need to book them a year out for this show.
00:38:58
Speaker
I'd love to just hear their speculation. If we get a, you know, my hope is that we get a Necronomicon, if nothing else. Good old Book of the Dead. Yep.
00:39:11
Speaker
You know, a chainsaw equipment. Yep. A boomstick of sorts. I mean, there's lots that we could go here. I grew up on. So it's really funny. I have bad parenting, I guess. I grew up on like watching 80s horror films with my dad when I was probably way too young. So this is a genre that I could get very excited about. And I'm also interested
00:39:39
Speaker
People talk about like that. Some of this art is this. This could very potentially have some of the most disturbing art we have seen. In magic. Oh, definitely.
Speculation on Magic's Future Themes
00:39:50
Speaker
We could surpass Thyrexia with this. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a brand new world. That's entirely within a giant mansion.
00:40:02
Speaker
So I don't know what that means. Other, you know, like it's, it's a new plane. I don't know if this is means it's a simple one-off similar to what we're getting with the, the, the, the clue story or if they're, I mean, the, the, the murder mystery, if there will be maybe more ties to the overall story, that's about as much as we got. Yeah. And we just got to just remember that magic is a, you know, it's a PG 13 game essentially. So anything they do will be kept within that.
00:40:31
Speaker
bounds, but they still could make it quite creepy within that boundary. Yeah, I was I was thinking back to the whole, you know, like, we have pushed that when it comes to sexualized images, but we've moved hopefully past a ton of that versus where we were in early Magic Art. So so we get we 2025 kind of rolls around, they gave us basically
00:40:55
Speaker
Stuff that he says is not carved in stone. Most of these sets do not have names. So this is where we get back into the good old world of magic codenames. All of these are sports. So tennis, ultimate frisbee or ultimate volleyball, wrestling, yachting and ziplining.
00:41:19
Speaker
Now, we did get some info in a Strad remastered will be then our next year's remastered. What we've learned with tennis is it is focused on a multiplayer planer death race. Yeah, I. I'm sold.
00:41:48
Speaker
And we didn't get like you said, as you said, we got way more than we ever would have in the past. Yeah, we got concept art. We got concept art. Yeah. We got to our planes that have been featured but have not had returns. And the third is a plane we've seen on cars but never had in a premiere set.
00:42:08
Speaker
I'm thinking the third is Vryn. It seems like a very appropriate plane for a. Oh. Vryn. Kaladesh. Right, like we haven't had a return. It makes sense, yeah. OK, well, we figured out two of the three listeners with Wizards. We will. You can just let us know if we're correct in in 2025.
00:42:38
Speaker
Yeah. Ultimate is what I think you're excited for. I'm definitely excited. We can get those stupid dragons off Tarkir. You've had a couple of statements about dragons today. I don't know. In Ravnica, they're just, you know, part of the thing is known for Nivmizzet got rid of most of the dragons because he wanted to be the most powerful thing on the plane.
00:43:07
Speaker
And then there were dragons all over that heart. I know there's some other dragons across the month, but there aren't a lot of dragons on the rabbit. Why are you featured in the art? In this one, I am on the I'm on the side of the I'm on the side of the cons, not the dragons, for sure. I want I want the just guy back. So you are completing an agreement that this is all Ugan's fault.
00:43:36
Speaker
I'm going to blame Sarkhan, but yes. It feels like Ugin has to be involved somehow. He had to have been. I mean, it's Ugin's fault in the extent that him being on the plane caused all this to happen. Yeah, okay. So, yeah, I love the Khans. We get our furry little goblins back.
00:44:07
Speaker
Yeah. Maybe we get to find out what vial smasher is up to. Yeah. OK. And this concept art here is good. It is looks like a looks like it's right out of a cut scene from a Final Fantasy game, which is great because that was the other announcement. Wow. What a segue. Yeah. Wow.
00:44:33
Speaker
direct the basically the same as the Lord of the Rings sets. We are getting a full Final Fantasy set that will be covering the first 16 games in the summer of 2025. And will be available on Arena. Yeah, and yeah, I guess for some people that matters. I like my cards and paper.
00:45:03
Speaker
I don't know, I am basically a multiplayer only player of Magic at this point. One-on-one has pretty much no interest to me at all. But yeah, like I said at the intro, I've been a Final Fantasy player since the original. I had to trade like half of my Nintendo games to get a copy of it.
00:45:31
Speaker
And I played on the Game Boy, which I only recently learned was not actually like a Final Fantasy game. No, it was like a reskinning of. Some companies hard as hell, too. That's what I like. I guess maybe this is why I never returned to Final Fantasy. No. Yeah. That's my experience. Right. Yeah. Those were those were not fun games. They the Game Boy Final Fantasies were just not fun at all.
00:46:03
Speaker
did not like. But yeah, we're getting everything. We're going to have Cloud and all of his trauma as a Magic Gathering card in two years.
00:46:23
Speaker
I I mean is that excitement or not excitement? I don't know I mean it's excitement and you know I'm wondering I'm wondering what his flavor text is gonna be or his like flavor text ability to deal with all of his trauma
00:46:45
Speaker
It's probably just going to be like Buster Sword or something like that, but they really need it. Yeah, we're getting some cool equipment from everything I know. Yeah, I played a lot of Final Fantasy 14. We're going to pull up the Steam stats and tell us exactly how much. Do you have an idea? Do you want to admit it on the show? I want to admit it on the show.
00:47:19
Speaker
Six hundred and eighty five hours. So you're being excited about the set is probably an understatement. Yeah. Yeah. I have just
00:47:44
Speaker
And I like, I missed that when I hadn't watched the announcement thing or the video or whatever. And all I'd seen was what I'd seen picked up on Twitter here and there. And I had not seen this one until I saw it on Facebook this morning. And I was just like, how did I miss this? And why do I have to wait two years for it? See, I guess this is the funny part, right? Like we didn't have to really wait, know that we were waiting two years. Yeah.
00:48:15
Speaker
Um, but I'm going to be, uh, you know, I've really cut down my magic purchases in the last, uh, year, but this is one that I will be spending a lot of money on. I think when it comes to years to start saving up. Yeah. Um, sadly, you don't, I mean, I guess sadly and good for your wallet, you don't have to worry about original art.
00:48:41
Speaker
Yeah, that is very sad because there's going to be some I'm sure there's going to be some amazing original artwork for this. This is a this is a game that already has just such amazing iconic art to begin with and seeing what magic artists do to it is.
00:49:05
Speaker
gonna be fantastic but yeah there will be no no original art sadly and i will continue to be sad i'm still sad i missed the uh shandra sketch uh i just went over my price range that was yeah i hear you the grenzo the grenzo is still haunting me yeah so
00:49:33
Speaker
But anyway, let's move on to our final couple. We have volleyball. The interesting part about volleyball is that it's a final arc. So this is kind of our wrapping up of the next big storylines to a culmination coming in 2026. This is called censored. And Mark Rosewater said, I'm just not allowed to say what it is because it would give too much away.
00:49:58
Speaker
Now the only thing we know from the concept art is that it's set in space and the concept art is beautiful. Space opera sci-fi.
00:50:08
Speaker
Which they said they've been exploring with Infinity, Neon Dynasty. Listers of the show may remember literally five years ago, Titus Linter talking about what this world could look like. And I'm just glad at this point we're finally getting to see it. There was a long time where there was a discussion of how to represent basic lands.
00:50:30
Speaker
And they found a way to do it. I think that was always one of the kind of the big hang ups. Now, this one looks more in space, though, in a premiere set, which we have not had. So that could be interesting with what lands represent to me from a flavor's perspective. Yeah, and this looks more. Where we got more of a whimsical space take in.
00:50:58
Speaker
The unset, this is definitely more of a fantasy space. We follow this out with wrestling, which will be Return to Lorwyn. Now, this is another set for players that maybe are newer to the game, don't realize that Lorwyn was kind of maligned for a lot of years in a similar way that Kamigawa was.
00:51:21
Speaker
Yeah, I more was definitely something I never thought we'd see a return to and I'm glad we're going back. It's probably my favorite plain unique art there is. I love the art for Lauren. Lauren has a very fantastical artwork to it. I mean, just in terms of like what I picture for me for fantasy and
00:51:48
Speaker
The goblins have a great look. We're actually like got Bogarts, not just goblins. Elves are racist assholes. Yeah, which they're like that on a lot of planes. They just hide it better.
00:52:06
Speaker
But I mean, this was the thing, like we had this. This was one of our first times really playing with set structure. So, you know, I think that that's where part of this came about, was they did two minis. They did basically. So, Lorwyn is the is the daytime, Shadowmoor is the nighttime.
00:52:25
Speaker
each one of those then had a companion set. So it was Lorwyn morning tide and shadow more eventide, which culminated in basically like a getting rid of this day night in some ways. So I think there was a lot that was they were trying to do it was kind of some of the first experiment team, similar to Kamigawa being the legends only, right? I mean, being like a legends heavy set, right? Lorwyn is all about creature type.
00:52:54
Speaker
all about creature type and split into these weird four sets. So I think it's an interesting thing to be thinking about as a reimagining with where they talked about in the world building set for Kamagawa. Like we're trying to find ways to bring back things you loved. We're also trying to put twist on it and make it different so that we don't have some of the same complaints that we had. They did a really good job with Kamagawa. So I
00:53:23
Speaker
have faith that they will do a good job with war one. I mean, coming out was my like, that was my most pins on pins and needle, like sitting on pins and needle as we were doing this show, said in a long time, they could have easily made it a very bad racist trope. And they managed to avoid that by hiring the right people to make sure that didn't happen. Wonderful how that works. We have yachting.
00:53:49
Speaker
which is really far away in terms of what Mark Rothery was like, you barely know what will be in it. However, we're going to Arcavios, which people don't know is the home of the Strixhaven Academy. I'm
Community Engagement and Closing
00:54:04
Speaker
really excited to go and see what's going on there. Yeah. They made a point that we're going to Arcavios, not Strixhaven necessarily.
00:54:13
Speaker
Great. So that means that the only goblin we see might not have reject stamped across his forehead. So maybe we'll maybe we'll go visit the the military school this time. Yep. I don't know. They really put in a lot of effort in building the identity of Strixhaven. So I will be surprised if they stray too far from that. It's kind of a shambles, right? Yeah. A lot of damage.
00:54:46
Speaker
Uh, the last one that we're getting is zip lining, which is being called the next. The idea is it will be the war of the spark or marching machines for the next couple of years. Yes. So we know that we know now know the new storyline goes from essentially wild of Eldraine through zip lining at the end of 2026. Yes. So everything is building and they have three arcs or they're kind of metronome storyline, which is the omen paths.
00:55:16
Speaker
dragon storm and then censored. And with ziplining, Mark Rosewater said I can't tell you a theme. I can't tell you the villain. I can't tell you where it happens. I can't tell you anything because everything could be a spoiler. I mean, that's also his job to say that we're two years out. Yeah, it's a lot. There's a lot coming for magic. It is a lot. And
00:55:47
Speaker
I'm quite excited for some of what we got to see. Oh, and we didn't even mention there was one more product that was announced is we're getting a small universes beyond set for fallout.
00:56:06
Speaker
Oh, yes. And actually Jurassic Park. Oh, right. There is a Jurassic Park product coming, too. So those didn't make it into the big panel thing, but there is. Yeah. So we got Fallout. So we don't know what that's going to look like at all. Basically, we get like a standby screen waiting, I guess, for it. Yeah. And we have like the T-Rex, which I think is a tie in to Eldraine. No.
00:56:33
Speaker
I don't know. It would make sense to be an excellent. Yeah, that makes a lot more sense than El Drane, even though. Yeah, so we know we know some future universes beyond stuff. We don't know what form that takes yet. So, yeah, we have we have some idea of what's going on and, you know, we. We get to speculate.
00:57:02
Speaker
We do. I love speculation about. Yeah. And you know, we don't get to speculate about for much longer. The story starts tomorrow as we're recording this. Wow. Yeah. Well, who wrote that story? That became our student Rivera. Oh, oh, oh, oh. And we need to invite back for sure, because we don't want to hear the inside story on this new story for Wild De Bel Drane.
00:57:30
Speaker
So that'll be coming. We're recording with Eliana, who is going to be talking to us about Liliana's story that is coming. That's what we rescheduled. And we also have Trana's bad for the rescheduled episode to do with Better Days MTG. There's a lot coming. We just got to get all the hosts through whatever at this point, which is pretty on brand for us. Yeah.
00:57:59
Speaker
It is, but it'll, it'll all work out. It really feels like a war ends. We step up in support and that's why I am thankful to have you all. So, and I'm happy to have all the listeners out there. Our discord continues to just amaze me. There's a link to it. They all stepped up today to just even like record small messages to help somebody sun out who was
00:58:19
Speaker
like being unsure about whether they were if their tracing skills were good enough and really wanting to encourage like people's families. I feel like this. I got together with a bunch of the Minneapolis or Minnesota area crew to play in person that that discord just continues to make me like very happy in this uncertain times of social media. So put a plug in for that and we will see you all soon.
00:58:46
Speaker
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00:59:08
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00:59:35
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