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S2E4: Sex & Sexuality Part I
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Join Jimmie, Dani, Maya and CJ as we discuss some traditionally taboo topics regarding sex and sexuality. In part one of this series, we dive into topics such as spiritual vs primal sex, out-dated views regarding gender identity, vulnerability in the bedroom and more.
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Welcome to Spiritually Desperate, a podcast dedicated to easing our existential anxieties and helping us uncover the wisdom that lies within. Join spiritual enthusiasts Dani and Maya as we pose life's biggest questions to psychic medium Jimmy Bay.
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We are so grateful to have you here with us. Let's dive in.
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Hi, and welcome everyone to Spiritually Desperate. Today, we're discussing the spiritual components of sex. I'm here host Jimmy Bay, psychic medium, Danny, Maya, and my good friend CJ.
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How's everybody doing? Hi, everyone. CJ, it's so nice to have you back on. How you doing? I'm doing pretty good. Thank you so much for asking, Maya. It's been ah it's been quite a while, and I'm really happy that that I'm back.
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You decided to come on for a fun layered deep topic today. I like it. i did. Yeah. So it's, ah it's going to interesting to say the least. And I can't wait to hear what Spirit brings out for us.
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Yeah. I have to say, I don't think Jimmy, I've actually come across a podcast episode. Not that I've listened to them all out there talking about the spiritual components of sex. So am also very interested.
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Danny, how are you feeling about today's episode? I'm good. I'm excited to see, well, one, I'm excited CJ's here. And two, I'm excited to see what, or to hear and learn about what Spirit has about this topic. I know it's a topic that Jimmy has been wanting to touch upon for a while. So let's get to it.
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I'm ready. I'm ready. Yeah. Got Capricorns like Let's get right in. Okay. So then there was a couple of terms I wanted to talk about because it's something I never honestly come across. So the difference between, and the so the difference you had mentioned a couple of terms, spiritual sex versus primal sex. Can we start there?
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We can definitely start there. um Spiritual sex is interesting. It's an exchange of energy. Whenever you're making love, your physical contact or touch and being in someone's energy on any level,
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You're mixing energy. You're combining energies. But when you make love, when you're making love with somebody or hooking up with somebody or whatever you're doing, there's two components of things you want to be careful of.
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um There's spiritual sex, which would be a spiritual release. It's like the God-like orgasm, the God-like energy that gets intertwined and brought down between the two of you.
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And then there's primal sex. Primal sex is very animalistic. It's very basic. It's very raw. That's where things are getting down and dirty. And sometimes with primal sex and sex in general, depending on the person that you're with, you'll pick up residual energy.
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When sex is spiritual, it's going to be healing. So you'll feel at peace. You'll feel calm. Your body will be restored. Your light will be restored. Your energy will be rejuvenated. The lovingness will be there, that glow, the connectedness.
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When it's very... um When the person is very dark or has addictions or anything, a lower level than you, a lower vibration energy vibrational energy than you, you're going to have residual energy.
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And residual ener energy is where you feel yucky. You feel like you need a ah shower right away. you just start to get sick. You can get sick through your sinuses because you'll find through making love, if you're having a lot of sinus issues, maybe the person that you're with isn't the healthiest person on a spiritual level for you to be with.
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So there's a lot that goes into sex and lovemaking and a lot, like I said, difference between spiritual sex and primal sex. So, and that's just the beginning of everything.
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Yeah. Can they ever overlap? Like, can you have spiritual and primal sex? like can Yes, yes, yes. There's, yes, you can. You can, because some things that sometimes makes it spiritual, depending on how raw the sex is, how animalistic the sex is, how energetic it is.
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And, you know, what you're getting into fetishes, your kinks, things like that, the aggressiveness, the assertiveness, because you're having a release. And, you know, that can become a spiritual release as well.
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When I'm talking about residual energy, that's more so if the person you're with is very base or lower lower vibration, like a darker vibration. There might be addictions around it. There might be mental illness around it um and circumstances like that where there's a lot of darkness. These are people that are act on very much ego, more so ego, not necessarily mental, but more so ego-driven. Yeah.
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So it's not that, you know, spiritual, there's one better than the other. It's just different types of sex. And I wonder if people probably, like, I've never really thought about that difference because both, ah granted that you're in a consensual, of course, connection, and it's not so someone that's lower level or more base. It's more primal, raw animalistic sex can also be good. a Spiritual sex can also be good. It's not that one's better than the other.
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No, no, no. The only thing is it's the type of energy you're mixing with. You want to be mindful of your energy. you know how they talk about that with people that you're around and you're attracting that you're connecting with, your friends, your loved ones?
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It's the same way in the bedroom, the exact same way in the bedroom. If you're craving, if you're a very gentle person, a very loving person, and you meet somebody that's very ego-driven and very assertive, that's where you'll end up with some residual energy.
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Like if they're really ego-driven. And that's how you start to learn. It's interesting to bring this topic up. That's where you start to learn your own self alignment when it comes to who you are on a very basic level.
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You know, that's why some people that you connect with sexually, it's beautiful and other people you don't at all, that it's trying to find that happy medium ground.
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And I feel like the primal connection this, cause sometimes I feel we might misinterpret the primal connection in the sex as love when it's almost just more so attachment.
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that Does that make sense? That totally makes sense. And people do do that. They think that sometimes i there's a societal thing today where the rougher the sex is, the more, you know, intense and passionate it is. And that's not necessarily true.
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You know, that's That's a lot to do with porn. We could talk about porn too, um and imagery and things like that. But like I said, yes, it doesn't mean the more primal the sex is that it is love.
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However, you can help have love be created out of that because it's the roles form of who we are when we're making love. It's a very animal act, so to speak, but it's not the highest form of lovemaking that you can have.
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Sometimes that's really just to get off for lack of wording, to get yourself off. But what happens out of that, if you align with that energy, that's where love gets created.
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sometimes you hear people say, you know, I can't leave this relationship because the sex is so good. And I feel like they're referring to the primal sex, right?
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Yes. And that's because a lot of times that is a toxic and becomes a negative toxic pattern. That's because things are at the lowest level and that's what they're attracted to. you know They're not attracted to the person or so and it's not at a higher level.
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That's where you would have to, that would becomes a residual energy as well because it becomes a pattern that gets created. That's also residual energy. ah ah Wanting to be dominated and possibly some things, traumas that aren't healed and things like that. You're bringing a lot of things out.
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You're bringing a lot of things to the table when you're going to the bedroom. So you want to make sure you're centered with who you are when you're going to the bedroom and very clear about what the parameters are. And to pay attention to how you feel afterwards, essentially. Afterwards, enduring, enduring. That's why sometimes, you know, to talk about alignment when we're picking sexual partners, we've all had partners at some point that just weren't connecting with us at at all.
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And sometimes, like like I said, it's just the act of the primal release. and and it's not really a spiritual release. And then sometimes you can connect with flings and things and it could be a spiritual release for you.
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But it's it's ah paying attention to the energy when you're in it, when you're around them and how you feel afterwards. I always tell people, if anybody gives you the ick, run, because that's a lower level vibration that somebody is not aligning with you.
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um Also, like I said, Sinuses play a major role. Skin plays a major role. You'll itch. There'll be things like that. Things will start to break out in hives and things.
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It depends on how sensitive you are. you know I've had circumstances where people just touch me and um I will break it on rash. And they're not good people. Your body knows first and foremost.
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I've had situations where um ah wasn't able to perform because the person was lower level energy.
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Everyone's face right here. It's too heavy. I'm sorry. Is it too much? No, not at all. I'm curious. I gotta get examples. Yeah. No, I'm curious as to what Danny and CJ are thinking right now.
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I'm thinking definitely telling my mom not to listen to this episode. Oh, that's what I'm thinking.
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Jimmy, so if you get the ick one time, you're like, bye. You might as well just be like, see ya walk away later. There's no way it can go from like primal to, I shouldn't say no way because never say never.
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Can it go from like the ick to like, be calm a spiritual thing? It can. You might have to pay attention to if it's your nerves or your comfortableness. The thing is, a lot of times people have sex with people they're not comfortable with or they don't know are they're not connected to at all.
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And they try to make that possible like like any relationship. And you heard me say this. They try to make puzzle pieces fit where they just don't fit, you know, or like Maya saying, I know men and women who attach to people and swear it's a love story.
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Swear that primal energy is just a love story. Although if you listen to what they're saying and what they're doing, they're literally not connected to the person at all. You can tell when somebody's into you and really connected with you when you're in the bedroom. And you can tell when somebody, and we've all had moments where we tuned out and can tune out.
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I hope all of us.
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But like I said, it's it's knowing that energy. You have to be, I would say, Danny, to be mindful that of your nerves and how well do you know the person and do you want to connect? When I'm talking about ick, somebody that really puts you in awkward position and makes you do things that don't feel comfortable.
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You wanna be mindful that everything's consensual. and you And the problem, a lot of things today especially with people and especially in this, on this planet, they don't talk about sex.
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We're not raised to talk about sex and how it is to, how it is to connect and intimate and be relaxed and comfortable with each other. And I know with spirit, the more conversations you have, the better your life is.
00:11:22
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It's like they move you forward, you get knowledge, you get enlightenment through that. So you want to be able to talk to people about sex. And we're starting to see that change a little bit with this younger generation and things coming out of the dark and into the light of things, you know, where things aren't so taboo.
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But the biggest thing is, like I said, to communicate. um a lot of times, though, like I said, people, they hook up with people or they stay with people that aren't necessarily moving them forward.
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And that, like I said, that karmic pattern becomes a primal energy. It becomes a toxic pattern because that's, that condition, that energy would be sex at its lowest form.
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It's just raw sex, but people want to, they don't want to be alone or they want to love that person so bad that it becomes like a trauma, you know, that that's the only type of and, and that in defense is where that person is.
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So you might have two people that are trying to heal something, but really stuck on that an external, external level. There are people that are very sexual and there's nothing wrong with being sexual. You know, there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever.
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But there's people that just don't elevate from that level of base and primal sex, sexual energy and contact.
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Hmm. Yeah, like, so what I hear you saying to me is that, you know, um like, I think about the times where when you and I were roommates, and we had friends, and friends and there was times you would come up you would come home and you be like, I smell sex.
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Yes, you can smell sex, yes. Wait, I'll get into that. I'll get into that real quick. nobody was here. nobody was here
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That energy is an interesting energy. I love when I smell sex. It's an interesting energy because we all smell sex. That's like when you're at the office and you know who's hooking up with who, whether you know it or not.
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That's that energy. There's an energy that changes. Sometimes I don't I don't want say that's a primal energy, CJ, to be clear. But because sometimes it's not all primal, but that's an energy when we're making love and we're happy when we're in that mode, we create that residual energy. That's like that's more so what it is, CJ. It's that residual glow if it's good ah that darkness where you're like, like I remember meeting people I met a friend of mine and when I first met him, the first thing I said to him is a huge ooze of sex.
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And he did. It's just, I could feel the wafting of energy coming off of him. And it was amazing. But, and, but like I said, I can't say that he was very primal, not very primal.
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Um, However, there's a scent of sex. Like you said, you can smell the sex on people. You can smell that energy because sex is residual in the sense, whether it's healing or primal. But when I'm talking about residue, the residue I'm talking about is the funk that you get with, like you want to watch yourself and you got to go clean or you, you know, you're just, you don't like yourself because what happens when we're exchanging our bodies and energies And that space is so intimate and so vulnerable that if it's a lower base energy and it stays lower, we it tends to affect our energy and darkens our light to some degree if it's not a healing energy.
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so the And the reason that happens is because darker energy is drawn to light, right? So they're pulling our light out of us. They're taking a piece of our energy. It's an exchange.
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And you're giving it. You're willingly giving it when you're making love.
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It's a very vulnerable place to be. So going back to your saying how I agree we don't have enough conversations about sex and then it becomes a taboo topic. And then we when we navigate it we don't really know how to talk about it.
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Because there's these traditional views that sex is meant to procreate, to have children. What are spirits views on and what sex is ah Sex is it's a creative expression between two souls, two energetic beings.
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it's Society creates a um ah stigma, per se, that it's about creating children and creating this and creating that. that Like I said, the only main rules that they don't like is consensual. It has to be consensual. They love consensual because you don't want to harm another soul.
00:15:46
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Children or animals, they're out. You don't hurt the innocence, you know. But like I said, it's not so much just to create children and just to prolong family names and bloodlines and heirs and things like that.
00:15:59
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There is a reason, there are periods within the timeline that they show me where we have a higher population, a lower population. And that's because of the Earth's evolution.
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And as we're evolving, like we're getting ready to see a dip in population. You're going to see Gen Z not have a lot of children. You're going see Gen Z not have a ton of children. There's no need for a ton of children right now.
00:16:24
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You know, but like where like after the wars, there's need for children to bring children back. But you're going to have periods of that. There's periods of that all through the timeline of Earth. we The only thing is with society today, we tend to think of just very much in the moment and who we are.
00:16:40
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But they really see it as an energy exchange, a creation, so to speak, between two energetic beings, two souls, two hearts, two humans. and And there's lovemaking,
00:16:53
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this is kind of a deep kind ah de concept, but there's lovemaking within other planets and things like that. There's, it's a different, it's still type of an energy exchange or a creation. I like that. The creative, and creative of expression and just the energy between two people, because I think it takes a lot of, you know, depending on people's backgrounds, right. and I know I have some friends and from traditionally really strict, usually religious backgrounds where people it was shameful to talk about sex. It was shameful to have sex outside of marriage. You know, there's just so much shame. And then all of a sudden they're like, okay, now you can have a child now and go have sex.
00:17:26
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And how hard would that be to just shift that mindset? And basically you always say, spirit doesn't judge. It's just the way we express ourselves in sex and doing it in a consensual and whether it's primal or spiritual loving, or just, you know,
00:17:47
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um maistic there's It's just the intention we bring to it, I guess. That's correct. and and And it's our expression. It's our our soul's expression. And it's our soul's expression with different people.
00:17:58
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Some people don't have sex with just one person. you know there There's different forms of expression and there's no judgment towards any of that. um Like I said, it's it's about that connectedness. And if you think about, if you want to talk about procreation, the energy between that, you're creating life.
00:18:17
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And the orgasm that people have, you're creating healing. And that healing also not only goes through you, but through the universe and the collective consciousness. Okay. So we should all be having more orgasms is what telling me. Yes.
00:18:30
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Yes. Yes. Perfect. It's good to have an orgasm. That's why sometimes when you connect and have an orgasm with yourself, with other people, you're kind of, um you're luminous.
00:18:42
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It connects you. It kind of cleanses things and it connects you to God. It connects you to that God force, the God light within you. So when you're healing that, you know you're also healing the collective consciousness around you and stirring more, this gonna sound really trippy, but stirring more energy to create within the universe.
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Sex is an act of creation because you're creating life. And if you're not, you're creating orgasm. And that orgasm is creating the collective consciousness and yourself. So we all have a duty.
00:19:18
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To elevate the consciousness of our yeah society of our society. Well, think about it. If you think on um on a very basic level, if every thought you think, every feeling you feel, everything that you do echoes through the universe, why wouldn't sex echo the universe too?
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Yeah. You know, why wouldn't that create more of a healing energy? that To think of healing energy, to surround, you know, even just the thought of wanting to heal the world. and have a mindset of world peace will create peace within the world.
00:19:51
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So, Jimmy, I'm curious about, um
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what about what about, you talked to me about this before in the past, and without getting into great details, but like stuff like grief sex. um Grief sex?
00:20:07
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Mm-hmm. What would you like to know about grief sex? Grief sex is, it's a spiritual release. It's a release of energy. So you would have a big spiritual release because we need to heal that.
00:20:18
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And sometimes you just need to um get that frustration. Would you say what? Even if it's super carnal? Yes.
00:20:28
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Yes. Because that's ah that's a primal energy. And sometimes that's a way to release that grief. So are we talking breakup sex? Is that what we're talking about? Yes, we could talk about breakup sex because there's ways to release some tensions within us that are very human.
00:20:42
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So it's not like it's not good or bad. That's why I said when you talk about primal sex and carnal sex and animalistic, it can get very layered as you're hearing as i the more I speak.
00:20:53
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But like g grief sex, breakup sex, things like that would be healing to release that anger, that tension, that frustration. to clear that energy out of you that you maybe cannot vocalize or create in a different way.
00:21:08
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and it's sometimes on a very human level, you just need to feel good. You just need to feel good, especially in grief, because when you're grieving something, you're at your lowest.
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Grief is very dark and it's very heavy. So you're trying to release that energy and release that tension and all that buildup within you, all that darkness and that blockage.
00:21:30
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So it's okay for some people to use, breakup sex as a way to almost close a chapter, but there's, I'm sure a fine line between, but utilizing that to then go back to a chapter that you don't want to go to.
00:21:43
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does that make sense? you're saying, I think I understand you. I think you're saying if you're having breakup sex and then you go back to the person you broke up with. that correct? Yeah. versus But it's okay to use breakup sex as a way to non-verbally close a connection essentially and let the grief process in the sexual way.
00:22:02
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Yes, yes. You could. like Yes, there's there's no. And even with going back to the exes, there's no right or wrong with that. You're working out your own life path. Remember, everything's a little bit more individual than we know.
00:22:15
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But um yes, to use to have breakup sex is a good thing. The thing is, what you want to be mindful of. Is that at some point you're you're sitting with your emotions as well.
00:22:27
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You want balance. Right. You want balance. say Spirit loves balance. They like moderation and balance. You can have the release. We're allowed our humanity, our humanness for a moment, but you've got to strike the balance where you sit in your emotions and feel what you feel, especially with grief. Grief doesn't go away through sex. I want to be clear, but it's a nice little distraction or release.
00:22:48
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that you could use. And um like I said, they want us to sit with our emotions and be balanced with things. But sometimes you're needing, the thing is with grief too, and CJ, thank you for bringing this up.
00:22:59
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Sometimes you're craving that touch. out of grief. You're craving because you lost somebody that was very important in your life and you're craving that like that touch. people When I've talked to people lost their parents or people really close to them, they want that touch because they missed that touch.
00:23:17
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And that's the healing energy within that.
00:23:22
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Like it's deep. It's like now that they're gone, there's there's like there is some sort of connection but you need. And by doing that kind of would say probably temporarily fills it, but yeah.
00:23:36
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Well, to add to what you're saying, CJ, not everybody that's grieving has partners and people in their life, loved ones in their life that are gentle with them. There are compassionate with them that are touching them and holding them and walking them through grief.
00:23:51
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Grief is very individualized. So you could be with ah the best partner ever and still not have that connection, that physical touch to have that release or, you know, or to be around people to have that release.
00:24:05
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so So like grief, sex would be a way to alleviate some things. Sexuality. This is why i love this topic. And I hope maybe we go into it a little bit more than just this episode because it's so layered. It's so, it so and it's such a beautiful topic.
00:24:19
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I think sex and sexuality is such a beautiful topic. Yeah. You had mentioned earlier about ah monogamy. And I think, again, as we dive into topics of sex and sexuality, we're probably just going to revisit basically societal norms that we have been taught or have been instilled in us.
00:24:39
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But I see nowadays, especially in the generations, people moving away from monogamy. ah There's all sorts of different types of relationship dynamicac dynamics. And I think I know what Spirit's going say on this one, but what are Spirit's thoughts on just how we're evolving in terms of how we view um connection. Because on one hand, I think a lot of people really want monogamy and they really like that.
00:25:03
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And then some people are realizing, okay, maybe it's not for me, but what are Spirit's thoughts on just how we're shifting in the views of that? They like that we're becoming, there's a couple of things. There's a couple different viewpoints on this.
00:25:17
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When I ask my guides, they like that we're becoming more individualized. because we were always taught to to think of the society versus thinking of ourselves.
00:25:28
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And we're at an era and age we we're going to start to be more interdependent and not so codependent and so structured where our own individual expressions are going to start to, we're going to explore our own individual expression.
00:25:42
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um When it comes to monogamy, it again is all individualized. However, they do like when we choose partners and follow partners through and see where things go. but that's not for everyone.
00:25:54
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Not every soul that's here is to have one partner for the rest of their life. It's the experience partners to try things on because again, this is creating and even not to get into to multiple people, but if you're dating multiple people, sleeping with multiple people, you're trying things on. That's a creative expression for your soul.
00:26:14
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You're seeing what you like and seeing what you don't like. So there's no real right or wrong with things. The, where we're headed, um I think you're going to see more individualism more than you're going to see people coupled up because there's not necessarily need for it.
00:26:29
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You are going to have couples though, that are going to be romantic and romantically and love. But as we're evolving, you're going to see the independence or liberation of the soul and spirit and self-expression.
00:26:43
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Wow. know it's about learning what you want, essentially. And learning what you want, learning who you are, You're going to see sex become a little more fluid as it already starting to be, you know, um because with fluidity, people, the way spirit sees us, everybody's different. Just let people be different and stay out of the bedroom.
00:27:06
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Part of the reason we have the problems we have today is religion. Religion puts God in people's beds where they shouldn't have been in people's beds, you know especially America, where we should have came here and got rid of everything.
00:27:18
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Thank you, Puritans. But, you know, the biggest thing is you're going to start to see fluid love, fluid energy, because in spirit, this is an interesting topic. We are not male or female. We are ethereal.
00:27:33
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And so it's energy. You know, i always try to describe if you wanted to go into masculine, feminine energy, and even this is a label that they don't like. Masculine energy would be more logic.
00:27:43
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Feminine energy would but be more gentle and creative. But that's not necessarily true either. We're fluid as souls. So what they're trying to do for the future is break down the labels.
00:27:56
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Break down labels. ah break That's why you're seeing um changes in gender, non-binary. like It's because you're letting go of those labels and boxes and starting to really get into, um like I said, who we are as individuals.
00:28:12
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i don't know if that answered your question. Yeah. And how, but any how essentially like, how do you want to express yourself in this meat suit that is because underneath this physical, almost black and white, I guess, label we like to put on ourselves, we're so much more fluid and so much more how do I explain it? we're We're just more, we're just not black and white and we can't put ourselves in boxes. And we're seeing that come out now of people,
00:28:42
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tapping into that, experiencing that, expressing that. And we're seeing an interesting push pull between people who really don't like that we're going against norms and then people who are going, okay, maybe we're maybe we're just more than, let's say, our chromosomes or how we present to the world. And it and it can shift and change.
00:29:04
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Well, you're right. We are. You're going to start to see the elevation of the soul and more. And that's what I'm talking about. Eventually, we will eventually evolve into not needing bodies, where bodies will become archaic.
00:29:19
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But you're starting to see the beginning of the evolution of the soul. And so there is no real gender of the soul. You know, that's why, you know, when you watch these TikTokers and you watch Instagram and they're all like, a man's like this and a woman's like this. And if they really want, it's not that at all.
00:29:35
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it's um It's about evolving. CJ? CJ? Yeah, I mean, this brings up, like I think about a very wise mentor of yours, Rosalie.
00:29:48
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One of the things that remember that she used to say was, we all mock, but we don't understand. In fact, I've heard you say it numerous times to me. That's kind of how I feel about people not understanding binary, non-binary sexuality.
00:30:08
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And even, even asexuality and intersection. Right. Uh, so it's like, it's very interesting, but it's just like, you know, we all, we all mock, but we don't understand.
00:30:18
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Uh, and that's. We do, we do, we totally do. And, um, and you're going to have our humanist again, keeps us locked into certain things or certain things about each one of us that we like and don't like.
00:30:32
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But the thing is where you're seeing is we're at such a, I've said this before. We're at a place in our evolution on the earth where we're in the birth canal to be reborn.
00:30:43
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That's why you're having resistance to change. And that's why you're having the other extreme to change. And it's trying to find the middle ground. We're going to have everything needs to be restructured and set up again so that it works.
00:30:55
Speaker
Some things are going to be better. Some things maybe we're not making great choices. You know, there's no real right or wrong. And when it comes to sexuality, there's areas, like i said, ah that are very gray.
00:31:06
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um And part of the non-binary that you're seeing and part of all that that we're witnessing at this time is evolution. It's the beginning of that evolution to where we're going to be more fluid.
00:31:20
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So people don't understand that because how could you feel that way? How could you feel like this? How do you feel like that? And again, the reason you're seeing that, um oh, I'm a trans man or I'm a trans woman is we're still at the beginning stages. So it's the baby level of that.
00:31:36
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They don't want us to have any labels whatsoever. And when it comes to sexuality, be with whom we want to be with. Because it's about merging energies and being together and interdependence with with each other.
00:31:49
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We're all different. We're all the same. And we have to start understanding that.
00:31:54
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Wow. thank
00:31:59
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I know. that's it's ah It's a very deep con. It's a very deep concept. When you say we're moving towards not having bodies, does that mean then we're not going to be having sex and having orgasms or would it just be at another level because these like energies are now intertwining and our orgasms are now on another level.
00:32:17
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and It'll be another level. That's why there's different um there's different mating rituals for different planets, different dimensions. And we're evolving beyond that. This is why it's interesting you say, because this is why we're starting to see the sensitivity with our bodies.
00:32:32
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I don't know anybody, even young people, and and you and Danny and ah this panel are very young, that don't have problems with their bodies or allergies or sensitivities, and ah to call you guys out, but those sensitivities and and things like that, think you're going to start to see. Because we have to start going more individual with how we eat, how we live, what we do and who we are. We have to start stepping into our own power.
00:32:55
Speaker
And for the structures at bay right now have always had control over us, based on religion, economy, politics, it's all trash. So, you know, it's about breaking all that down to learn that we need to fend for ourselves a little bit, that we're capable of doing that, and basically remembering who we are.
00:33:15
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One thing you have to understand about Earth, it's a pioneer planet, it's a school. So we're all here to learn, we're all like, hey, we're here, we're going to learn. And then we get and like, ugh, I didn't know was going feel like this.
00:33:26
Speaker
Ugh, I didn't know that going to happen. So, but like I said, what's needed is you're going to see us evolve into individuals and sexually or sex will definitely change. You'll be more energetic.
00:33:39
Speaker
Cause I think sex obviously, because it's such a vulnerable state to be in, it's it, let's be real. People can use it for, sounds weird to say use it, but it can be for good, but it can also be something that people use as power, right? As manipulation, as a weapon. Exactly, thanks, CJ. And so how about for those when when we can't feel that vulnerability or that, ah ah yeah, I guess vulnerability in the bedroom, like what's some insights that people can start to maybe work on or just become aware of so that they can feel more comfortable?
00:34:15
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ah Some of that would be their trauma. Believe it or not, trauma will keep you from orgasming. um And some of it's not being comfortable in the body. So the physical body to create that orgasm expression and communication.
00:34:28
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um But learn yourself, learn your body, learn what gets you off, learn what you don't like, learn what excites you.
00:34:39
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We were taught as we're taught as young people, not to even discuss it. Like you're saying Maya to where it's taboo to even think about having sex, It's to be able to talk about masturbation.
00:34:50
Speaker
It's to be able to try anything or be curious about anything, you know, start to, and you put, start to break down your own walls that society has placed around you. And that will help people, men and women, women orgasm better and get to that point, that comfortable. It's a comfortableness that you get to when it comes to orgasm.
00:35:10
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It's a comfortableness. It's a relaxed in the body and communication, you know, And it's just, it's, and it's more, um I don't want say orgasm is mental, but it's more of a thought process of allowing yourself, you know, coming out when I came out, I came out in my twenties, my early twenties, didn't completely come out until I was 26, but even the thought of sleeping with another man to me was very foreign.
00:35:36
Speaker
And that being said, I didn't allow myself. It was never discussed. I had to really get into my head and start to tell myself this was okay that I had these feelings. And thank God I had a great partner at the time to kind of walk me through that because not everybody has those experiences, right?
00:35:53
Speaker
So, but I really had to allow myself that grace of learning and discovery for myself. I think when people have difficulty with orgasms, other than um from a health perspective, like there's a physical health issue, I think it's being relaxed within themselves.
00:36:10
Speaker
and really accepting themselves and allowing themselves to explore sexually. I don't think we're we're structured that it's gotta be this way or that way. You know, think about it. we We've now gotten into an era where kinks are talked about, where fetishes are talked about, where different topics are discussed, sexuality, homosexuality, non-binary, bisexuality is discussed.
00:36:31
Speaker
But it's um it's interesting that we don't allow ourselves those experiences That's why when you were talking about having promiscuity, promiscuity is a hard word, um to have multiple partners or multiple experiences, they don't discourage that.
00:36:47
Speaker
Promiscuity is where you pick up a lot of residue because if you're going to be promiscuous, and this is not a judgment, please don't come for me, but promiscuity, when you're running around like that and multiple people all the time, that's where you're picking up a lot of residue and that creates a lot of static energy to where you can't get clear on who you are or being comfortable with yourself or someone else.
00:37:08
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Man, this really is a layered topic, isn't it? It's deeper than I thought it would be really. Yeah, um definitely. Yeah. It's, it's an interesting- Dani, you're so quiet.
00:37:22
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She's just taking it all in.
00:37:26
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No, this is I love talking about sex. it's It's because we don't talk about sex. Yeah. No, agreed. And I think, you know, it's interesting too. Like I grew up in Japan where sex is very much a taboo topic, but it's interesting. The more taboo you make it, the more you see it in interesting expressions that come out.
00:37:44
Speaker
Right. Especially in Japan, there's a lot of interesting ways and a lot of unhealthy ways sex comes out. But, um, It's something I think is shifting to be more empowering for people versus something that's, as CJ mentioned, like used as a weapon or used as a power move.
00:38:03
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um I think when it comes to to things like sexuality, and you had just mentioned it it took you a while to come out and you had a supportive person, which is great, but why do you feel like humans have such a hard time accepting, let's say, when someone comes out as gay?
00:38:19
Speaker
Or is just... is it just like CJ mentioned, we just don't like what we don't know? or is it like a collective lesson we're learning through these people who push back?
00:38:34
Speaker
Yes, there's more it's exactly what you the last thing that you said, a collective lesson, because we're society has structured us to shame ourselves when it comes to sexuality, when it comes to any type of relationship, when it comes to love.
00:38:47
Speaker
You think about men and women were sold to each other and love. it wasn't you know You weren't able to pick and fall in love with somebody or nurture something, but it's it's a collective experience. And a lot of that may has to be structured based on politics, socioeconomics, and again, the devil itself, religion.
00:39:05
Speaker
So it's a religious-based, religion ruined a lot of things because it was it's all the religions are man-made to control people on some level. You know, they, at the core of them, they have mystical properties. And I spoke of this before in other podcasts that are beautiful, but the, the overtone was to control the people and societies and times where there wasn't a lot of control, where there weren't laws, there wasn't structured and people weren't aware of themselves.
00:39:35
Speaker
And now we're stepping into that place where we're becoming more, we're governing ourselves. We're aware of our bodies and what we want what we like or don't like in each one's individual. we're,
00:39:45
Speaker
you're gonna see those break away, but really it's a societal thing. Like the reason people don't like that, some of that is karma because they haven't experienced that. This is what's interesting about that.
00:39:56
Speaker
um With sexuality, with with gay, with lesbian, trans, the the gamut, the rainbow there, heterosexuality included, we all have to incarnate in the feminine body or the masculine body to give it a label. I need to give it some kind of label. We all have to be men and women and have multiple lives as men and women.
00:40:17
Speaker
So when you see sexuality and non-binary, now I'll get back into non-binary in in a minute, you're seeing, that's why you'll have some gay men that you will never know they're gay. and Another gay man where you're like, oh, he's gay.
00:40:28
Speaker
And same thing with the lesbians, it's the gamut. You have to, we all have to experience And so what you're seeing when you see homosexuality expressed or or bisexuality is the where the person is and incarnating in the body that they're in.
00:40:45
Speaker
And sometimes yeah you might see a more feminine gay man because they're not used to being in a masculine body. So that's why they come across more feminine. There's a little bit of that there too.
00:40:56
Speaker
When you get into non-binary, I think non-binary and gender fluidity, and that's a big topic because I think that's the wave of the future and letting go of that swing and just being with people and being who you are.
00:41:09
Speaker
The asexuality, um, Not every soul that's here it wants to have sex and wants to procreate or wants to be with someone. Some of that also might be past karma, past trauma that they're working through because we're all working, i believe, please, I think we're forever working off our karma.
00:41:28
Speaker
But and also those people are there as an example for us to watch and learn and grow. We can all say we know somebody that's non-binary or somebody that's bisexual or somebody that's gay or lesbian or fluid.
00:41:41
Speaker
And that's how we grow. and And they change our lives and then we change the lives and acceptance becomes part of it. So it's a societal global, change it's a global change.
00:41:52
Speaker
The thing is where, like I said, where you run into conflict is religion, political politics, socioeconomic control. There's a lot of governmental and higher powers that be, but they're falling away.
00:42:04
Speaker
And that's why you're seeing rebellion. People are tired. They're retired of being told how we should live with our bodies and not being told the truth of things. but not being allowed to express our own truth when it comes to our lives and sexuality.
00:42:19
Speaker
So what if someone goes, Jimmy, clearly this meat suit was designed for a man and a woman, a penis fits into a vagina and then you can procreate.
00:42:31
Speaker
What are some of your insights to someone? Cause there are a lot of people that view it like that, right? Right. So, And to be clear, I do not view it that. That's the only way.
00:42:42
Speaker
i mean, that's a beautiful way as well, but it's not the only way. But what are your insights on people who hold strongly to that? That's our life lessons. There's lessons of tolerance.
00:42:54
Speaker
There's lessons of understanding compassion. But it's on both ends. What happens is we think that people aren't tolerant of things, but it's to also the person who is gay, bisexual, you know lesbian, or whoever,
00:43:08
Speaker
to be tolerant of the other person, that with that's what makes us uniquely individual. And what it is, is what they would like us to do is find that common ground to work together, not to, it doesn't mean we have to be best friends and lovey-dovey, but it does mean we have to respect each other and respect and respect each other's viewpoints.
00:43:28
Speaker
You know, you can respect somebody and not agree with them. But in to in society now, though, where it's such a polarized extreme where it's like, no, you either i believe in this or you believe in that. And spirit, remember, is all about the gray.
00:43:40
Speaker
There's many shades of gray and they like those shades of gray. And that's also multidimensional. It's intergalactic planetary wise. We're one of the only planets. It's very solid.
00:43:52
Speaker
And that's why they call Earth Earth, because Earth is made of masks.
00:43:56
Speaker
But where do we draw the line then of, you know, someone listening going, I hear you about being understanding on both sides, right? Because we're obviously going to be surrounded by people with different views, different opinions, and we need to respect those different views and opinions.
00:44:09
Speaker
How about when someone crosses over into someone doesn't believe that I deserve certain rights being treated the same because of my sexuality, because of my identity, then it kind of gets harder for some people to go. So you're telling me, I just need a respect that they think I'm not as good of a human because of who I love, or i just want to make that, I just want to make that distinction clear. Like I see what you're saying of the, I think we all need to be able to respect different points of views and opinions. We are seeing kind of a polarizing right now.
00:44:41
Speaker
Yeah. But, but if someone listening going, but what if someone in my family is going, you know, you're going to, go to hell because of who you love, or you're just not deserving of things because of the way you are. That's like, what are the insights on that?
00:44:56
Speaker
That's a personal lesson, more of self-worth, self-acceptance and self-respect and value. yeah And it's part of their contract to work through that and to make peace with that.
00:45:07
Speaker
It doesn't mean you need to keep people in your life that are horrible people, even if you love them, you know, spirit doesn't look at that. You know, I've cut out some people in my life that I love very much. because I'm just not growing from them and they're not they're not evolving.
00:45:20
Speaker
And it doesn't mean that's right or wrong. um you know you You can't, you no we're not Jesus. We're not turning water into wine over here. you know But like I said, that's more would be an individual thing, an individual lesson.
00:45:33
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CJ?
00:45:34
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Hi, guys. so I'm sorry to interrupt your your conscious flow there, Jimmy. Thank you. You know what? yeah Something like that Myra is just kind of speaks your point there.
00:45:47
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um It's... a ah So at my at my college, I am the faculty advisor for our LGBTQ plus ah um club.
00:45:59
Speaker
um And the other day, um and when we were having our last meeting, we were talking about, um um my one student just said to me like, you know CJ, where you how were your parents? Were your parents like super supportive?
00:46:14
Speaker
I didn't hear what their conversation was because I was doing something else. So when I came and sat down to join them, that that's what was thrown on me. And um so it was very interesting because I told them about about about my journey and about how how supportive my parents really truly were in the end.
00:46:36
Speaker
And they were like super, they became very emotional because um but up the they they almost the entirety of the club members identifies as non-binary or they're in different, they're transitioning in different ways, right?
00:46:55
Speaker
And um so it's really difficult because especially for me as a gay man, when I took over this role, I literally had no idea and I had to like go to school myself because I had to figure out, OK, I don't understand the terms and what's the thing? And I don't understand what non-binary means and in that kind of stuff So I had to kind of really educate my myself to speak about it.
00:47:18
Speaker
But the students just like – the students just like like really became very emotional or they in a, in a very good sense that like, that it gave them hope to know that there, that there are people out there that want to help. There are people that will understand. There are people that will accept as a gay man myself.
00:47:42
Speaker
And um that, but, but, um They used to be married to a woman. um I can say that the hardest part of my journey truly was my own journey, was me coming out to myself.
00:47:56
Speaker
That was the hardest and most difficult thing. and And when you become a level of acceptance of yourself, you can't, that's, it kind of grows in there, right?
00:48:08
Speaker
ahead, Jimmy, I'll pass back to you. Right, everything falls into place. You want to let, because when you're centered in conviction of who you are as a person, and especially with sexuality, once you know who you are, um i don't know what it is to put into words.
00:48:25
Speaker
um When you become grounded in your sexuality and when you have conviction your sexuality, that's where things start to really kick off and blossom. And as far as what, to go back to what Maya was saying for a brief moment, and to your parents, CJ, you got to give people time.
00:48:43
Speaker
to really understand and that love you to understand how to love you. Because we're all coming from what we know and from what we're exposed to. And not everybody's exposed to non-binary or gay children or lesbian children. And some of the experiences that people are exposed to because our parents were people before they had us might not be so nice.
00:49:07
Speaker
So the thing is to maybe hold a space of compassion, Maya, to go back to what you're saying for that person. But if it's really volatile volatile and toxic, that you have to let it go, let it go.
00:49:20
Speaker
you know But like I said, you want to try to have compassion more so for yourself and for the person to have some type of enlightenment at some point, because we're all kind of doing the best we can. We really are.
00:49:30
Speaker
like you know We don't think about that our parents have were raised on structures or exposed to things that we weren't exposed to as well. So we're coming from just our own, don't want say ego, but our own our own knowledge and awareness. so But remember, your awareness is always opening, could possibly be opening somebody else up.
00:49:52
Speaker
And that's why there's conflict. Not all enlightenment and awareness is all like, hi, we're pretty now and we know who we are and you should understand who I am and we should be on the same page. That's not how awareness enlightenment works.
00:50:04
Speaker
Negative experiences are not so positive experiences. I don't want the word negative. i don't think anything's positive or negative when it comes experience. think it just is. But whatever experience you're having is cultivating awareness and change within.
00:50:17
Speaker
But for the other person, you just really want to go hold space for them on some level, if you can. If it's too toxic, whether abusive or belligerent, or it's not changing, and you become, like CJ said, really strong in who you are and in accepting of who you are and understanding of you are,
00:50:36
Speaker
And you could walk away from that walk away because not everybody's it's not your job to change every heart and turn every heart into pure gold.
00:50:45
Speaker
I mean, the the bottom line is like, yeah, I mean, like I still to this day do not expect people to roll out the red carpet for me. um and Expect that um that that's how it is.
00:50:57
Speaker
And to kind of speak to your point to me, it's like the experience ultimately about every, even if they're negative experiences, they're still positive in the sense that, that they, they're helping me grow regardless.
00:51:10
Speaker
So the people being, rude to me, indifferent to me, not supportive of me. um Just all it does is is is empower me and beholden me to to be a better person.
00:51:25
Speaker
and and that And that's what it's... Sorry, i'm going to cut you off. That's what it's meant to do. that's what it's you're here for your Ultimately, we're here for our own growth. I've said this in multiple um podcasts. We're here to grow.
00:51:37
Speaker
And it's how we want to relate. The thing is,
00:51:41
Speaker
I don't want to say the more passive or open you are, because we're going to, we all come in with personalities and egos and temperaments and everything that are different that we choose before we get here. But the more open you can remain, the better.
00:51:56
Speaker
Because like I said, you don't always have to, it's not everybody's job to understand each other either. I think, especially with America, we have a society where we're trying to figure people the hell out all the time.
00:52:07
Speaker
Instead of just worrying about our own, like keeping our eyes on our own paper. and walk in the walk. But like I said, ah it's like you said, CJ, it's very good. No matter what experience you're having, it's pushing you forward in your life to where you're supposed to be and how you're supposed to be. And it's how you deal with it and handle it, what you learn from it.
00:52:26
Speaker
you know ah You'll find a lot of people, no matter what energy you choose to sit in, that's what you're going to create more of. The more negative thought you have about something being bad. like you know when I read a lot of people that, especially and this area, Philly, South Philly,
00:52:41
Speaker
That's where they have curses on them. They still believe in curses on them. You know, and I'm just like, oh, okay. You know, life isn't supposed to be hard. Nothing's supposed to challenge you. And what we do, what we forget is we wrote in everything that challenges us.
00:52:57
Speaker
We wrote in all that, all those experiences. Yeah. I think, as you mentioned, this topic is definitely going to be something we need to do a part two on because I feel like we've just scratched the surface in a lot of ways.
00:53:11
Speaker
but I'm hoping that people listening can just at least plant the seed of maybe viewing something differently, or maybe honestly viewing the aspects of this topic that people maybe haven't even thought about, right?
00:53:24
Speaker
ah Because of maybe how we were raised or what we thought about our, our comfortability on these things. But, you know, as we kind of wrap up our part one of this, this topic, what,
00:53:37
Speaker
do you feel like spirit wants us to walk away with right now in terms of maybe awarenesses that we can cultivate or things to be mindful of anything that they want to share there?
00:53:51
Speaker
To be mindful that every, every person is different to let them be different and learn to accept that they're different and not that you don't have to take that in as your own truth, but accept that people are going to be different.
00:54:06
Speaker
And when it comes to sexuality, let go of your shame. You know, there's a lot of people that have a lot of shame for from abuse and things like that and and cultural shame and religious shame and societal shame. Let go of it. Just release it.
00:54:23
Speaker
You don't need to carry all that, you know, but more so be open to letting people be who they are and realize that sexuality is a small part of what makes it, ah puts a soul together.
00:54:34
Speaker
It's only an expression. It's not the whole soul. and essence of the person and to try not to focus on that and look at people in a very three-dimensional way that we're multi-dimensional human beings and spirits. And that's what we're here to do, to not focus on that. I think one of the biggest things with spirit is we, we but I don't know, understand why, and I'm not going to know that answer, but we are hyper-focused on people's sexuality and orientation, and it's not really necessary.
00:55:03
Speaker
It's not our business. It's not our place. Yeah. Love who you want to love, right? Exactly. I like that. Well, with that, I think that this is a beautiful place to stop lots to to integrate.
00:55:16
Speaker
CJ, thank you so much for joining. Hopefully you can join us when we do ah part two of this episode and dive a little deeper into the topics. And as always, Spirit, thank you for all your insights and guidance and to Jimmy and Danny.
00:55:29
Speaker
um Yeah, it's always it's always fun to see what we dive into and the answers that come out. And so I hope everyone listening got something from this as well. And we'll see all next time.
00:55:39
Speaker
Bye, everyone. Thank you. Thank you so much. Right on. Bye.
00:55:47
Speaker
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00:55:59
Speaker
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