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S3-133: Buffalo Snow and Ice Day Review!
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The guys welcome Adam Hansen of VSI by Boss, Pat Salmon of Northeast De-icing Solutions, and Adam Ferchen of Elite Landscaping to talk about the Plant Western NY Snow and Ice Show this past week in Buffalo NY!
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Transcript
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Thank you.
Introduction and Sponsorship
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The SnowJobs Podcast
here we go snow jobs nation back again bringing you episode 133 of the snow jobs podcast main show powered by top gun backblades as always you know who i am you know who's here with me
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couldn't do it without him wouldn't do it without him the rick james of snow management mr jeremy lindstone what's up jay
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RICK JAMES
Hey, Steve. Not a lot. How about you, buddy?
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, not much, bud. Not much. Just ah recording Saturday. What is it? Friday night. Friday night recording.
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RICK JAMES
Friday night. We're really jumping in this week.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Just got. Yeah, or we're way ahead of the curve this week.
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RICK JAMES
Way ahead of schedule.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Just got. I'm working Sunday, so we won't be able to record Sunday. So we had to move it up a couple of days.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
No more last second stuff.
Buffalo Trip and Symposium Preview
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The SnowJobs Podcast
But yeah, just got back from Buffalo.
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RICK JAMES
This week.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah, yeah. We're going to hear all about it tonight. We've got a crew on hand.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes, we are. Yes, we are. We got the boys here, and we're going to talk about, the yeah, the Plant Western New York Buffalo Snow and Ice Symposium. And yeah that's what we're doing tonight. But how's how's your week been?
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RICK JAMES
uh it's pretty it's really ah honestly uneventful not a lot happening this week sprayed a couple days and then a couple days in the shop fixing stuff so uh yeah not much happening trying to get some stuff but that's about it
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The SnowJobs Podcast
At least you got Helicopter Ben now with you.
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RICK JAMES
yeah yeah got a helicopter yeah he he's he's good yeah those guys are they get some stuff done
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The SnowJobs Podcast
that's That's got to be a lot more fun.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That's right. Get to work with the helicopter year-round now.
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RICK JAMES
he Yeah, he's he's the helicopter. He said he had a few guys come up to him at storm day and go, oh, your helicopter, Ben, he said he probably had about seven, eight guys come up to him.
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RICK JAMES
He's like, yep.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
I bet he did. bet he did. We'll make you famous on this show, or infamous, depending.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
One or the other. But yeah.
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RICK JAMES
I thought it was weird. A of the guys asked him to do the helicopter, but I wasn't around for that.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
that is That is weird.
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RICK JAMES
So that that seemed kind of weird to me, but whatever.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
that That is weird. That sounds like Sean.
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RICK JAMES
Could have been Rob, Rob, even Benzo.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, Ron.
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RICK JAMES
and
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Ron, even Benzo. ah The mystery of the wallet.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man. So like Jeremy said, we're going to talk about Buffalo tonight, the Plant Western New York. They had their third annual snow and ice symposium. ah It was a good day. We're going to talk about
Guest Introductions
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The SnowJobs Podcast
it. We got some of the boys that were there with us. Some of the names you know, one of them is making his debut tonight, but we have Adam Furchin of Elite Landscaping. He's in the Buffalo area.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
We got Patty Salmon Northeast De-Icing Solutions. And he is not in the Buffalo area. And for the first time ever, we'd like to welcome Adam Hanson of VSI by boss. I've known Adam for years.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Love him. He's a great dude. He knows liquids inside and out. I think he taught Jordan all about liquids. I don't know if it was the other way around, ah but we're going to go with that.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
And yeah, big daddy, Adam Hanson's in the house.
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RICK JAMES
Yep. Jordan's not here to defend himself, so yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Exactly. Exactly. So we're we're happy to have Adam Hansen with us tonight for the first time. He's a really good dude. He knows his shit, and he was also in Buffalo.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
So that's what we're going to do. But you know, before we do that, what we got to do, we're going to pay
Upcoming Events and Travel Costs
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The SnowJobs Podcast
some bills. We're going hear from our partners at Top Gun, and we'll be right back to a quick week of review and get rolling with the boys.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
All right, guys, we're back. So just a couple of announcements tonight. ah We got, let's see, August 27th, the Ohio Landscapers Association is going to have their annual snow and ice clinic.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah That's going to be at St. Michael's Woodside in Broadview Heights, Ohio. So if you're in that area, make sure you ah you head over to that event. um Again, we'll post that information as soon as we get it.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
If anybody sends us a flyer, if anybody has it, and we'll repost it. ah The other one we got to announce, S&S. All right, S&S. They're out in Taylor, Pennsylvania. They're going to be doing their fifth annual Snow and Ice Symposium Day.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That's going to be September eighteenth In Taylor, Pennsylvania, from 9 to 4 is the main day, and then 5 to 8 is the networking after party, ah which if you remember from last year, ah that was the one with the incredible caterer and all the great food and great drinks, and guys had a great time. So if you're around, definitely come on out and and join us in Taylor, Pennsylvania on September 18th. We will both definitely be at that. Right, Jay?
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The SnowJobs Podcast
well
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RICK JAMES
Yep, I'll be there for that one.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
well we'll book flights early before they, before they become like a pound of flesh and a pint of blood. My God, ah dude, I don't know if I told you this, but we have been told that we are too old now that the whole, the old school way of flights getting cheaper as the date approach is gone.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah, that was crazy.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
They now get act incrementally more expensive. The closer you get.
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RICK JAMES
No, that's not true.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
So, That's what everybody's telling me. Everybody's telling me, no, you guys are idiots. ah You got to book that well in advance.
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RICK JAMES
No. Nope, it's not true. That flight we were looking at went down $400, it was still way too, that morning, but it was still way too high to even think about going, so.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That's what I'm saying. But if we booked it like a month in advance, probably be around $1,000 mark. Everything out of Fargo is fucking expensive, dude.
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RICK JAMES
Oh, yeah, exactly, because I live in middle nowhere, so.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes, you do. You do, in fact.
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RICK JAMES
I think they say the book, I think they say the book six weeks out or something like that's your best bet, so.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, I believe it. Do you hear me all right or am I low right now?
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RICK JAMES
I hear you're fine.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Because it looks like my my voice line is barely audible, but we'll roll as long as you guys can hear. um But yeah yeah, that's it. S&S, we will both definitely be there. Tony throws a great event.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah It's very well attended and a you know lot of good dudes there. And the after, like I said, the 5 to 8 p.m., the after party, the after networking event, that was absolutely out of this world last year. So we will definitely be back there.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
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The SnowJobs Podcast
You know, we got Carhartt. So get over there. You know, we're we're creating the supply and demand. We're calling it Carhartt shortage going into the winter. So head on over to Snow Jobs Nation store dot com and get your Carhartts.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah You got anything else, Jay?
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RICK JAMES
No, that should do it. i think that's all good.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
All right, cool, bud. Let's hear from our partners. We'll be right back, and we'll get into it with the boys.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
All right, gang, we're back, so let's do this. We're going to just welcome in the Adams and Pat Salmon. Boys, how are we? Everybody doing well?
Dinner Experience at Brightsmith Brewing
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Adam Ferchen
What's going on guys?
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Patty Salmon
Absolutely.
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Adam Hansen
Yeah, doing great.
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RICK JAMES
Hey, guys.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
There is. Adam Hansen, first time ever. Oh, there's my dog. She's barking her approval. That's it.
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RICK JAMES
Massimo part two.
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RICK JAMES
Oh, he's yelling at now.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. Yeah. Somebody must've just drove by the house. That's why they're guard dogs. My gosh. All right, boys. So you know what we're here to talk about? We all attended the plant Western New York, the event yesterday actually.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
But we started actually the night before came, everybody came into town on Wednesday and what did everybody think of dinner? I think Adam Furchin set that up for us at Brightsmith Brewing.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That was outstanding. I thought, what did you guys all think about that?
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Patty Salmon
Awesome event. Awesome place. Great food.
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Adam Ferchen
Yeah, it was good seeing everyone.
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Patty Salmon
Good service.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Definitely.
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Adam Hansen
Yeah, really good.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Definitely.
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Adam Hansen
And yeah, the pizza was great. Anytime you walk into place and see a nice wood fire pizza oven like that, you got to go with pizza. So yeah, definitely had my approval.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Absolutely. Yeah, the pizza looked delicious. was little mad. I couldn't have any, but everything was good. The wings were very good, even though Adam said they were too hot. I thought they were more sweet than hot, but they did have a little back end bite, which was pretty cool, but I thought they were outstanding.
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Adam Ferchen
I don't know. Rocco gave me something, some special wing that shut me down. Yeah. Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
oh
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RICK JAMES
so
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Adam Hansen
So you're saying we can't trust Rocco.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
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Adam Hansen
Yeah, makes sense.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
He spiked it.
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Patty Salmon
Basically.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
He spiked the wing.
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RICK JAMES
Well, Rocco made a post like he's going to be posting something. He made one post and then it says, stay tuned, and then there's nothing. I was like i was waiting at home.
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Patty Salmon
he he
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RICK JAMES
I'm like, what what the hell?
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The SnowJobs Podcast
He's the master of building And you're still looking at his post to see if anything's up.
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Patty Salmon
He never did it the next day.
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RICK JAMES
I was like, what are you doing? wait He just leaves a cliffhanger and we just sitting on the cliff. Come on, Rocco.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
So he's the master of building suspense.
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RICK JAMES
yeah Nah, I blocked him. Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, my God. But, yeah, no, Brightsmith was great. It was very good service. We had, let's see, Steve Smythe with us. We had Big Daddy John Stark from Arctic.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Who else did we have? I know we had a couple other guys. We had Pat Salmon's dad.
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Adam Ferchen
The new...
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The SnowJobs Podcast
He was the DJ.
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Patty Salmon
Yeah.
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RICK JAMES
DJ.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That's right.
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Adam Ferchen
TJ.
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Patty Salmon
Got him out of state for once.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
And that could not have been a comfortable ride in that truck for him.
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Adam Ferchen
You had Ardix...
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Patty Salmon
No, the New York roads.
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Adam Ferchen
Ardix new... going to say you had Ardix new regional rep.
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Patty Salmon
Oh, good.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
What was that called, Adam?
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Adam Ferchen
I believe his name was Mike.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
That was it. We had Mike.
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Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep, we had Mike there. We had Rocco there.
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Adam Ferchen
He's from your way, I believe.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
I don't know. I didn't catch where he's actually from. I didn't catch where he's from.
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Adam Ferchen
Five hours away.
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Adam Hansen
oh
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Super nice guy, though.
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Adam Hansen
Steve, I think you said he's up by your lake place there.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, that's right. He did say Glens Falls. You're right. He did say Glens Falls. Absolutely. Yep. Yeah, no. Super nice guy. Super cool. Fit right in with everybody. He could kick the ball back and forth.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
He did good.
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RICK JAMES
I didn't
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Go ahead, Jay.
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RICK JAMES
make the trip, but did john to John open up this time? He usually sits in the back corner, quiet, doesn't say much.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
He was very, very reserved and quiet.
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RICK JAMES
it john Did John open up?
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The SnowJobs Podcast
He was very, yeah once again, couldn't get him out of his shell.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah.
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Patty Salmon
He's something else.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
uh he is he is a pisser dude he is so funny i don't know where he gets his energy i got a bottle gotta figure out where he's got it bottle some but uh yeah no was good good dinner very very very nice place very cool place
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RICK JAMES
Big daddy.
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RICK JAMES
Hmm.
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Patty Salmon
We had him.
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Patty Salmon
Yeah.
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Patty Salmon
We had Riley make an appearance.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Pat, your father, your father was trying to, well, yeah, my son, I brought my 10-year-old and Pat's dad was trying to coerce him to jump in the river that ran behind the restaurant because there are a couple ducks out there.
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RICK JAMES
There you
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The SnowJobs Podcast
So, yeah, you bring me one of those ducks from that river and I'll give you $50. He was thinking about I'm like, yeah, doing it.
00:12:57
Adam Hansen
And I joked, I said, I joked, I said, I do it for 40. So. so
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Adam was nice enough to drive the price down. was great.
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Adam Ferchen
Thank
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
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RICK JAMES
ah
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah They're typical snow low bidders. There we go.
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RICK JAMES
governor ah
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The SnowJobs Podcast
but yeah
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The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah, that was pretty funny. He was thinking about it. And I'm like, you're not going anywhere, dude. You know, I can make it. I'm like, it's not. You sound like your mother right now. Yeah. Famous last words.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
I got this. But yeah, it was good. It was a nice place. Very, very, very clean. Very nice. Like I said, the food was outstanding.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
And that wrapped up. What were we out of there? Like 10 o'clock? Close to that?
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Patty Salmon
Yeah, about 10.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, that was good.
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Adam Ferchen
Yeah. Did you guys go back to the hotel? Your dad was trying to get me to go back to the Marriott for drinks.
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Patty Salmon
Yeah, we did.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
They were there.
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Adam Ferchen
Did you?
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The SnowJobs Podcast
How long were you down there, Pat?
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Patty Salmon
We did.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Because I know you texted me. I'm like, he's out like a light. I can't leave him in the room.
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Patty Salmon
Only about 1130. Wasn't anything crazy.
00:13:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right. Wasn't too bad. Wasn't too bad. That's just Rick James and Sean weren't there.
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Patty Salmon
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Next, next year.
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RICK JAMES
you know
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The SnowJobs Podcast
It'll be a lot later.
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Patty Salmon
There was a massage parlor next door.
00:14:10
Adam Hansen
i thought about I thought about going down, but the bar closed at 11.
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RICK JAMES
like to vote oh boy he's It's usually a good decision, but we we usually make bad decisions.
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Patty Salmon
We wouldn't own where Sean would have been.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, oh absolutely.
00:14:16
Adam Ferchen
Donald or McDonald's?
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, we did stay.
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Adam Ferchen
but
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
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Adam Hansen
So I'm like, you know what? I'm going to present tomorrow. So I'm going to bed.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. Probably a wise decision.
00:14:32
RICK JAMES
That's what makes us who we are.
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Patty Salmon
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah oh that is true the whole it does
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Adam Hansen
Exactly.
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Patty Salmon
Always makes for a great story, though.
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RICK JAMES
Yeah, got to have stories to tell from the trip.
00:14:40
Patty Salmon
You got it.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
it does um the hotel was very nice that was it niag it was marriott niagara buffalo was that the the hotel i think that was very nice big big hotel like old school big that was really really massive hotel less than 10 minutes
00:14:48
Adam Hansen
Yep.
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Patty Salmon
Yeah. Very nice hotel.
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Patty Salmon
Massive.
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RICK JAMES
Hmm.
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Adam Ferchen
How far was that from the venue where you guys are Okay.
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Patty Salmon
Yeah.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, I think like seven or eight minutes.
00:15:01
Adam Ferchen
That's what thought.
00:15:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, it was very close. Very close. Yeah, everything was 10 minutes. It was 10 minutes from there to the restaurant, and it was 10 minutes from ah from there the venue.
00:15:12
Adam Ferchen
Cool.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
So it was good. ah so let's So let's talk about yesterday, and we just ah we just jump right in.
Liquids 101 Presentation
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The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Adam Hansen was actually the first presenter, and he gave a very good Liquids 101-type lecture.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
And it's funny, I think I've heard that like between you and Jordan, I probably heard that like seven times and you guys always manage to throw some new information in there and add to it.
00:15:32
Adam Ferchen
yeah
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Patty Salmon
Thank you.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
So what how how did it go for you, Adam? the What did you know? What did you think? How did you think you did?
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Adam Hansen
Well, like I think it went well. um They do say you have to hear something seven times to actually remember it. So now maybe you you know everything about liquids because you've heard it seven times.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
i
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Adam Hansen
but But no, it it was good.
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The SnowJobs Podcast
All right.
00:15:59
Adam Hansen
um I've done that speech again many times and I've seen people fall asleep during it, um but I didn't see it at at this event. So people actually were paying attention and I saw some people writing notes.
00:16:12
Adam Hansen
um But yeah, it's really good. We really haven't had a lot of you know exposure with liquid equipment in Buffalo. um So it's good to see people actually paying attention and thinking about the future, what their de-icing is going to look like.
00:16:26
Adam Hansen
So yeah, it was, again, it was really good. And and I'll say too, the venue where they had the had the presentation was was really nice.
00:16:29
Adam Ferchen
okay
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Adam Hansen
So um kind of that, and yeah.
00:16:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, yeah the that pavilion. what What was the name of the place, Adam Furchin? Panchettis?
00:16:42
Adam Ferchen
Yeah, I thought it was good.
00:16:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:16:43
Adam Hansen
Yeah, so it's set up real nice, um you know, with the tables there. Had a good sound system, I think. I think everyone could hear me. So, yeah, no, it was, that was really good. um They gave me an hour and I did have to rush through it a little bit. Usually that's an hour and 15 minutes, but I tried to stay on time. But yeah, it was good. and
00:17:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, you nailed that. You did great. no Everybody was kind of hanging on every word. I thought they were very interested in hearing that.
00:17:09
Adam Ferchen
Yeah. Yeah, you gave a lot of information. It was good.
00:17:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, that place, Banchetti's, that's actually, ah it's nice.
00:17:15
Patty Salmon
Thank
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The SnowJobs Podcast
I mean, you got room to grow there too, Adam. you You guys definitely have room to grow if you want to keep it there.
00:17:22
Adam Ferchen
that's a That's a banquet hall. i didn't eat Honestly, I didn't even know they had that outdoor pavilion until yesterday. um They do like weddings and all kinds of big events and on the interior of the building.
00:17:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
sure yeah no it was uh mean it was good you have room in the parking lot to add more vendors if uh if you continue to keep it there and have the event there uh the pavilion was nice you could have easily fit another 50 people in there 75 people in there with no problem so i think you got room to grow there that was cool
00:17:48
Adam Ferchen
yeah
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Patty Salmon
i I think the pavilion's a nice touch for you know inclement weather, too. Had it been raining or you know the the day before, it was it was pretty darn hot. so
00:18:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
And it looked like they have they have the ability to hang the drapes to close that thing in, basically. a yeah They had one up on one side. So I think they have the ability to, you know, put those drapes up and hang them.
00:18:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
So it basically closes you off from the wind, which would be pretty cool. But it wasn't bad weather at all. It was, i mean.
00:18:21
Adam Hansen
Well, and luckily the projector screen fell down before my presentation. So that happened about a minute before the presentation and fell over.
00:18:28
Adam Ferchen
Thank you.
00:18:31
Adam Hansen
So luckily it didn't happen during, otherwise that would was really thrown me off if I got hit in the back of the head with that. But oh yeah, got lucky.
00:18:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
You nailed it, though. You looked unfazed.
00:18:40
Adam Ferchen
the
00:18:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
you were You were ready to roll. You did a great job. Like I said, I've heard that a bunch of times, but you nail it every time. You bring the same enthusiasm. That's a tough thing. When you do the same lecture over and over and over, it's a tough thing to get yourself hyped up enough to not be monotone and just be like, crap, I got to do this shit again.
00:19:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
You kept people into it, and that's a talent.
00:19:04
Adam Ferchen
Yeah, that's huge.
00:19:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
So good for you.
00:19:05
Adam Ferchen
Keep them into it. There are a lot of people that came to the show just for liquid de-icing information. I know that it was useful for a lot of people.
00:19:15
Adam Ferchen
I've heard it from a few of them already.
00:19:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. I mean, well, they had plenty of options there.
00:19:19
RICK JAMES
Is a so liquid big up in
Adoption of Liquid De-Icing in Buffalo
00:19:23
RICK JAMES
Buffalo area? you guys in the liquid much up there or is it just breaking through?
00:19:24
Adam Ferchen
No. I can name or two other companies besides myself that are using liquids that I know about.
00:19:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Hmm.
00:19:33
Patty Salmon
So that was kind of going to be my next comment. um Buffalo, for being a large snow market, just seems to be stuck in 1980s technology.
00:19:43
Adam Ferchen
No, there's we're still out of date on him.
00:19:44
Patty Salmon
Everything's rubber edge.
00:19:46
Patty Salmon
Everything's, you know,
00:19:46
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:19:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, really? I didn't even know that.
00:19:49
Patty Salmon
yeah
00:19:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
Interesting.
00:19:50
Adam Ferchen
You didn't see all the rubber edges on the pushers.
00:19:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
i You know, I honestly didn't pay much attention to... i really don't look at pushers. because I saw the metal plus. I saw the red metal plus. That looked really tight on your loader. And I saw the Arctic on the trailer.
00:20:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
And that's pretty much the only pushers I look at.
00:20:05
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:20:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah i don't even I just ignore the rest. I don't know.
00:20:09
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:20:09
Adam Hansen
Well, if you just drive around town, because Steve from Storm, we flew in together and we rode together, but you just see a lot of old iron, you know, stuff that was probably built in the Reagan administration and, you know, a lot of rubber edge pushers and they're just sitting on site.
00:20:22
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:20:25
Adam Hansen
So I don't know, Adam, you could probably talk to that. It seems like contractors, they must have a multi-year agreement.
00:20:32
Adam Ferchen
yeah
00:20:33
Adam Hansen
The last snowfall, they turn the key and it sits there until next year. That's the way it looks to me.
00:20:37
Adam Ferchen
There's a lot of contractors that have been in place and been in business for a long time who haven't upgraded anything and choose not to while still running. um But at some point here, there's going to be a big generational change when these younger guys come in who are embracing brine and live edge and sectional plows and new new technology.
00:21:00
Adam Ferchen
and we're going to take over.
00:21:03
RICK JAMES
I mean, Steve and I have been talking about this a little bit. Buffalo, I know we're talking about you guys are kind of an older, what do you want to generation, but don't hear much a lot of about i don't see a lot of it.
00:21:11
Adam Ferchen
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:16
RICK JAMES
I mean, I see you guys on Instagram, you and Rocco, but I don't see all these, you know, Buffalo gets a lot of freaking snow, and you think you'd be seeing a lot more stuff.
00:21:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
They're too busy plowing.
00:21:26
RICK JAMES
Wow.
00:21:27
Patty Salmon
yeah I mean, that's a good point.
00:21:28
RICK JAMES
well I suppose, but I almost like it's almost like Canada where you can't, there's always top secret up there or something.
00:21:31
Patty Salmon
It is a very quiet area yeah for what you
00:21:33
Adam Ferchen
and
00:21:33
Patty Salmon
and what you see
00:21:37
RICK JAMES
I don't know.
00:21:38
Adam Ferchen
yeah and
00:21:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, maybe because it, like Adam says, it's an older generation of of p flowers that maybe they're, you know social media is not, you know, something they're super into.
00:21:43
Adam Ferchen
What like what did we say earlier? Old guys should stay off social media?
00:21:51
Patty Salmon
yeah
00:21:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. Yep.
Generational Shift in Snow Management
00:21:53
RICK JAMES
Hang on.
00:21:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
I wish somebody would make me.
00:21:58
Patty Salmon
ah
00:21:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Save a lot of time. Oh, man. But, yeah, I mean, that was ah that was interesting.
00:22:04
RICK JAMES
I would like to see it.
00:22:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
What's that?
00:22:07
RICK JAMES
i would like to see more stuff from up there because you guys get some cool-ass snow events. and As a snow guy, I love watching that stuff. So I'd i'd love to see more stuff from – even that, what, 60, 90-inch we had them on a couple years ago, it wasn't a lot.
00:22:16
Adam Ferchen
Send
00:22:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:22:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:22:21
RICK JAMES
I mean, you saw some stuff on the news, but I didn't really see a lot ah personally, but my opinion –
00:22:22
Patty Salmon
Thank you.
00:22:25
Adam Ferchen
that.
00:22:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
No.
00:22:26
Adam Ferchen
Yeah. You guys are in a good position now. You got your own media team following people around. It's chasing storms.
00:22:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:22:31
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:22:32
Adam Ferchen
What's that show called?
00:22:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
Storm chasing.
00:22:35
RICK JAMES
Storm Chase and Storm Team 6 will have to come out there.
00:22:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
You know.
00:22:37
Adam Ferchen
Send them up.
00:22:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
You got to make a video that I told a couple of guys yesterday.
00:22:41
Adam Ferchen
Arctic Steve said he's coming up. Arctic Steve said he's coming.
00:22:44
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:22:44
Adam Ferchen
He's pushing snow in Buffalo this year. He's waiting for a lake effect.
00:22:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, is he?
00:22:47
Adam Ferchen
yeah He kept telling me. yeah else But he also told me he was going to be eating chicken wings. Then I looked over and he hit a wedge of lettuce in front of him.
00:22:54
Patty Salmon
Yeah, that's all Steve was about.
00:22:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:55
RICK JAMES
yeah i heard they went for i heard they i heard they went for Chicken Wings, him and Adon, after he left there.
00:22:56
Patty Salmon
I need good chicken wings, need good chicken wings, and he ate a salad.
00:22:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:23:03
RICK JAMES
Okay.
00:23:03
Adam Ferchen
Did he? Did he eat wing?
00:23:04
Adam Hansen
Yeah, we went to, it's called, is it Bar Bill North?
00:23:04
Adam Ferchen
All right.
00:23:08
Adam Ferchen
Oh, okay. That's a good spot.
00:23:10
Adam Hansen
Yeah, that was that was really good. so So we got our buffalo wings while in Buffalo. You know, it's something you have to do. And yeah, it was they were probably some of the best ones I've had.
00:23:20
Adam Ferchen
that's a good spot.
00:23:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
Wait, you did this after dinner on Wednesday or after the event on Thursday?
00:23:22
Adam Ferchen
No, after the
00:23:24
Adam Hansen
After Thursday, so Steve and I um ran up to Niagara Falls, checked that out.
00:23:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay. Gotcha.
00:23:30
Adam Hansen
Then we went and got wings and then we went to the airport.
00:23:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
gotcha
00:23:33
Adam Ferchen
show. What did you think of Niagara Falls?
00:23:36
Adam Hansen
It was really cool. I mean, it's, you see pictures and videos, but seeing it in person is, is honestly, it's pretty special.
00:23:37
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:23:42
RICK JAMES
It is cool.
00:23:43
Adam Ferchen
Yeah, it's like.
00:23:43
Adam Hansen
Yeah.
00:23:44
Adam Ferchen
I don't know what the exact number is, but it's like a couple million gallons of water per second that go over that thing.
00:23:51
Patty Salmon
so
00:23:51
Adam Hansen
I looked it up. It's 44 million gallons per minute.
00:23:56
Adam Ferchen
that nuts?
00:23:56
RICK JAMES
Hmm.
00:23:57
Adam Ferchen
and
00:23:57
Patty Salmon
That's insane.
00:23:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
Just dump them.
00:23:58
RICK JAMES
I think Smythe can make it in a barrel. I think we should put that challenge out there.
00:24:03
Adam Hansen
We talked about yeah each getting in a barrel and holding hands as we go over the edge.
00:24:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
Just going to say that.
00:24:07
RICK JAMES
Yes.
00:24:07
Adam Hansen
and private
00:24:08
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:24:09
Adam Hansen
That'd be some good footage.
00:24:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
Dumping our polluted water into Canada. but Oh, shit. Well, that's cool. Glad you guys got some wings. for And he actually ate them? He wasn't Mr. Salad?
00:24:21
Adam Hansen
Well, you got the side salad first, so you had the lettuce base and then piled the wings on top of it.
00:24:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
God.
00:24:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:24:27
Adam Hansen
Yeah.
00:24:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
So he pre-gamed with the salad.
00:24:28
RICK JAMES
like a chick chicken Caesar salad kind of.
00:24:31
Adam Hansen
yeah
00:24:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:24:31
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:24:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah but
00:24:33
Adam Hansen
all All he was saying to me as we were leaving, he's like, I'm not eating tomorrow. I got to get back on track.
00:24:37
RICK JAMES
yeah Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's great. So then after anybody else with anything about Adam's lecture to start us off.
00:24:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
No.
00:24:48
Patty Salmon
Yeah.
00:24:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
right, cool. Check-in, by the way, was very easy. that I'll definitely say that they had that dialed in. ah They had name tags ready for you when you got there. They had you off the list. They gave you the schedule of the day, so that was very well done.
00:25:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
um And then they had Adam's lecture, and then after Adam's lecture was ah one of the weathermen, one the Emmy-winning weatherman, Rob Guarino of the Weather Pros, and he gave the... ah He gave the Buffalo snowplow guys some, I don't was it good news or bad news?
00:25:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
I kind of felt like he was playing both sides of the coin, but ultimately telling you that the lake effect band was going to shift and move further inland and miss Buffalo.
00:25:23
RICK JAMES
No!
00:25:29
Adam Ferchen
and we'll see
00:25:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Exactly. We'll see. You never know with the weatherman. You never know.
00:25:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
but uh did anybody get anything out of rob's lecture uh that they uh took note of he's mean he's good
00:25:51
Adam Ferchen
i missed that saw is it would either be pat or adam
00:25:54
Patty Salmon
I was not around for that. a yeah
00:25:56
Adam Hansen
Yeah.
00:25:57
Patty Salmon
People started walking the showroom floor, so I diverted back to the booth, to be honest with you.
00:26:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
rob is actually a very entertaining speaker
00:26:03
Adam Hansen
Yeah.
00:26:07
Adam Hansen
Yeah. And I caught probably, know, 75% of it. um You know, it's again, giving the outlook saying, Hey, it can shift here because of the waters here, all that stuff. But something I talked to him about before the show a little bit, and then he touched on that during his presentation is like the AI um weather models that they're using now.
00:26:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:26:26
Adam Hansen
And he said kind of the first time it's really been ready was for this last hurricane, whatever boom that one was called.
00:26:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:26:32
Adam Hansen
And he said the AI, yep the AI weather models, he said absolutely nailed that.
00:26:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
And it nailed it.
00:26:37
Adam Hansen
So he's really pumped to see what that can do this winter. So, but he said it's still really new, but there's a lot of lot of hope for stuff like that.
00:26:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
I don't know why the hell he's so freaking pumped. If AI is nailing it, don't need him.
00:26:51
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:26:51
Patty Salmon
yeah just ask cat gpt it's all you need
00:26:51
Adam Hansen
Oh yeah, he'll be out of a job.
00:26:54
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:26:54
RICK JAMES
for
00:26:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah um that's it i'm pumped to go out of business
00:26:59
RICK JAMES
but
00:26:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
00:27:00
Patty Salmon
you don't need weatherworks we don't need anything anymore
00:27:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
no but that that is 100 accurate that that ai weather platform um it nailed erin hurricane erin's track it nailed it 10 days out and it actually was i want to say plus or minus 30 miles on the exact track that it took so like it nailed it a long way out yeah yep
00:27:19
Patty Salmon
Pretty impressive.
00:27:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
It was, yeah, that's pretty interesting. But yeah, I don't know why he'd be excited about that. Because if I got AI weather I can get, I don't need a weather company.
00:27:32
Adam Hansen
Maybe he's looking to retire. Maybe he's done.
00:27:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's possible.
00:27:34
RICK JAMES
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
or they're just Or they're just hoping to use the AI forecast.
00:27:37
RICK JAMES
What are you gonna
00:27:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:27:40
RICK JAMES
What do you do, be mad at a robot or what?
00:27:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
yes uh but yeah weather pros was said that not see nick with rob you know usually nick is always uh the two of them always go you had uh rob's son which is their director of marketing was there with them um but yeah it's always good to see the weather pros rob's a funny dude he's
00:28:00
RICK JAMES
Oh, Nick is in jail. I got a thing on Instagram. He's looking for bail. so
00:28:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
in jail in italy you don't want to be in an italian jail that's bad
00:28:06
RICK JAMES
Yeah, he's in jail. He's in trouble.
00:28:10
Adam Hansen
Thank you. ah
00:28:11
Patty Salmon
Just ask Rocco.
00:28:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah that not good. so Oh man. But yeah, it was good to see them. And I thought, I thought for a weather lecture to keep it short and sweet like that, I thought he got the information out there for the Buffalo guys and, you know, like it or not what he was saying.
00:28:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
he's usually, I will say this about Rob. He's usually with his preseason stuff. He usually calls it pretty good. At least he has the last couple years where he's kind of said exactly what was going to happen.
00:28:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
So
00:28:40
RICK JAMES
Did he have any his new rulers areas that they're talking about?
00:28:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, rulers have not come in yet. He did mention the ruler and say, you know, sign up for the ruler here. We'll mail it out when they get there. It's a ruler with a a QR code on it.
00:28:53
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:28:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
So you you take that, you put it in the snow and you take your picture and then you, so no because because that's what guys are going to doing with those rulers.
00:28:58
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
You're going to take picture of snow.
00:29:02
RICK JAMES
but
00:29:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, that that's going to happen, Rob. I would have.
00:29:06
Patty Salmon
In all our spare time, right?
00:29:08
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Oh, okay.
00:29:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
I really would have thought that one through.
00:29:10
Adam Hansen
he's He's asking for trouble with that.
00:29:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, I would have thought that one through a little better.
00:29:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
the
00:29:17
RICK JAMES
ah
00:29:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah rob Rob's always great to see. It's always great to see the weather pros and they do a great job.
00:29:24
Patty Salmon
So...
00:29:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
What was the weather pros?
00:29:27
Adam Ferchen
Bobcat.
00:29:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Bobcat. Okay, so that was upstate equipment. Is that right? Yeah.
00:29:33
Adam Ferchen
Yep. Upstate equipment and Bobcat of Buffalo.
00:29:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha.
00:29:37
Patty Salmon
Yeah, for planning, purchase, and lease options.
00:29:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:29:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
So now I didn't get that. Like it said on the schedule, um Bobcat was going to do a basically a rent lease buy ah thing.
00:29:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
i I thought it was going to be different than it was. I thought it was going to be like kind of like what Lucas straight did um for us on the show a bunch of times from from Dines. But it wasn't that really. It was just about basically they talked about their company. Did I miss anything? Because I was dealing with Riley trying to get fidgety there. So.
00:30:08
Adam Ferchen
No, it seems like they rushed through it and didn't have much to say.
00:30:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay. So it wasn't, wasn't what I expected it to be.
00:30:17
Adam Ferchen
ah i thought we were gonna hear some no i thought I thought we were going to hear some different rental options and what is going to work best, renting versus leasing or buying.
00:30:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
i Did they go over options? What they Yes.
00:30:33
Adam Ferchen
These are all things that I went through last year when I bought my loader from them and I You I got a lot of information from my rep, but we didn't get it there.
00:30:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, I thought maybe I missed a little bit of it, but yeah, I expected the same thing. I expected them to be taking you through options and pricing and financing and figuring out which one works for you with whatever your financial position is right now.
00:30:52
Patty Salmon
Bye.
00:30:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
But that, to my recollection, was not the case. It was more like a company profile type deal and what they have, what they service, and that kind of thing. It was basically like an introduction, kind of, if you didn't know them.
00:31:09
Adam Ferchen
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nice guys, super nice guys. But that wasn't that wasn't what I expected by reading the schedule.
00:31:13
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:31:18
Adam Ferchen
Could have been thought it.
00:31:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Pat, did you catch any of that or no?
00:31:20
Patty Salmon
No, I was once again out out on the trade floor. the lot of people kind of started to wander away from that, I think, because maybe it wasn't what what they were envisioning.
00:31:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
OK. Adam, do you catch any of that, Hanson?
00:31:33
Adam Hansen
Um, just a little bit. And I, again, it was kind of them just talking about, you know, their company. And then I saw people walk in trade show area. So I went over to, uh, you know help Pat with the Northeast de-icing stuff. So I didn't really,
Interest in Liquid De-Icing Solutions
00:31:48
Adam Hansen
I didn't really catch much of it either.
00:31:50
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha. All right. Yeah, to go back to something you guys said earlier, I don't want to get off track, but I think it's important to note, like, and everybody I think was there for liquids.
00:32:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, everybody that was there seemed to have a lot of interest in liquids, both Granite State De-icing, is that right? Granite State De-icing Solutions, is that his company, Patty?
00:32:10
Patty Salmon
Yep, Green State de-icing, yep.
00:32:10
Adam Ferchen
yeah
00:32:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
So Granite State De-icing and Northeast De-icing Solutions.
00:32:12
Patty Salmon
Yep.
00:32:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
So you had Camion with Granite State, you had VSI by Boss with Northeast De-icing, and both of those, every time you looked over, had had most of the traffic.
00:32:25
Adam Ferchen
Yeah, they they were packed all day.
00:32:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, there were most of the people were congregating around those two boots. There were a couple stragglers here and there, but you know it seemed like a very liquids-heavy, intensive show.
00:32:37
Adam Ferchen
We had the right people there. I mean, you guys were both, you and Sean and Adam, super informative to everybody. It seemed like a lot of good conversations.
00:32:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:32:46
Patty Salmon
Yeah, I think Adam's discussion in the morning about liquids obviously probably kind of prompted a lot of that interest to go and talk to the guys who were doing it, but... ah I've been to quite a few shows this year, ah lot, a lot larger than this one. And I would probably say that I had the most conversations and the most like in-depth quality conversations with, with people from this show.
00:33:14
Patty Salmon
Um, I was a little worried.
00:33:15
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, it definitely seemed like it was leaning that way towards liquid.
00:33:18
Patty Salmon
Yeah, i was I was a little worried in the morning. it seemed like a smaller turnout than anticipated, but at the end of the day, i was i was very happy. There was a lot of good quality conversations, people actually interested, asking a lot of good questions. so
00:33:34
Adam Ferchen
You know, you know what it was in Adam's presentation when you put that slide on this, you know, it laid out the savings and it said up to 70% salt savings. I've probably seen six people sit up in their chairs and they're oh shit, I gotta, I gotta see going on here now.
00:33:49
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. Sure.
00:33:50
Adam Ferchen
Especially after coming off of last with that rock salt shortage, lot of guys couldn't get salt.
00:33:50
Patty Salmon
Yeah.
00:33:56
Adam Ferchen
And if you were, you were either getting it out of Canada or Albany and people are selling it for $190 a ton. So everyone is looking for a different option.
00:34:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
And the really cool thing about Buffalo is you can get, they have a lot more events where they have to salt and, or use brine and they'll get their ah ROI a lot quicker.
00:34:06
Patty Salmon
Yeah.
00:34:13
Adam Ferchen
Right.
00:34:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
They'll get their money out, their CapEx that they put in. They'll, they'll be able to reclaim that and get that out much quicker than like a guy like me downstate where we're getting a third of the events that they get.
00:34:28
Adam Ferchen
Yeah, what do you average there? Yeah.
00:34:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Event wise, less than 15.
00:34:34
Adam Ferchen
Yeah, so we're like probably 30 to 40.
00:34:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah so yeah i mean yeah traditionally we're big dumps like the last 10 15 years we're big dumps of snow we're still hitting 42 inches but like the year last year was an an anomaly that we were dropping blades like every two three days the whole winter where we're up to 20 something events the five years before that i think we're eight to twelve events
00:34:36
Patty Salmon
Is it really that low, Steve? Wow.
00:34:43
Patty Salmon
Yeah.
00:34:47
Adam Ferchen
and
00:35:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
like plowing it's not yeah but out of those eight events like five of them were 10 plus so it was like we we were getting more snow but we're not getting as many events we're just getting bigger dumps until last year where we were all one to three every time out and the biggest storm last year was the first time they said in 10 or 12 years i can't remember if it's 10 or 12 that we didn't have a double digit storm not a single one so
00:35:00
Patty Salmon
Right. Hmm.
00:35:26
Patty Salmon
Yeah, I mean, we're kind of in the same boat. I i would imagine that the 10-year average has kind of been skewed now off of the last three, but we're still 68.4 inches for our 10-year average in the last three years. i think this year we were about 27. Last year was probably around 28 in the year before that was 32.
00:35:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:35:48
Patty Salmon
but we still get a lot of events.
00:35:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
So I mean, but um yeah, but bottom line.
00:35:50
Patty Salmon
We're still doing 36 applications on average.
00:35:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure, sure. And that'll help the like all these guys in liquid, the the barrier for entry is high, but the more events you do, whether it's salting, plowing or both, you'll get your you'll get your ah ROI a lot quicker.
00:36:02
Patty Salmon
You're using it. Yeah.
00:36:05
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:36:05
Patty Salmon
yeah
00:36:05
Adam Ferchen
at Adam, you made a good point, too, about the younger guys having an easier route into the liquid game, too, because they're not replacing an entire fleet of spreaders and sidewalk movement.
00:36:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:36:18
Adam Hansen
Yeah, they're starting from square one at that point.
00:36:21
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:36:21
Adam Hansen
And i I think part of the reason, too, there's a lot of interest with it is I always talk about this in the presentation. you know, I've talked to people that 10 years ago tried liquids and it completely failed.
00:36:32
Adam Hansen
And I asked the first one, OK, what was what product were you using? What was your salinity level at? Most of the time, they just give you a blank stare. They have no idea. They just got a tote of whatever from their buddy.
00:36:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:36:43
Adam Hansen
And they said, yeah, this stuff will work. So number one, the product wasn't right. And then I talked about application rates. That's so important because if you go to, you know, like a Lowe's and buy a little electric pump, make your own PVC boom, and you start trying to post-free with it, you're only putting down 15 gallons an acre on hard pack, like it's not gonna do anything.
00:37:05
Adam Hansen
So I think that that kind of scares people and they realize, okay, if we go through another salt shortage, I have to, you know, and if I have to switch to liquids,
00:37:08
Adam Ferchen
Thank
00:37:13
Patty Salmon
Thank you.
00:37:15
Adam Hansen
I can't just kind of fly by the seat of my pants. I have to figure this out ahead of time. So I think that kind of scared people into realizing, okay, I may not do liquids this coming year, but I got to start figuring it out and be prepared for it. So like like Pat was saying in the booth, every conversation was very serious, very in-depth.
00:37:35
Adam Hansen
um Guys just wanting to learn about this so they can be prepared and you know just... Understand it before they're forced to do it, you know, over a weekend, you know, that kind of thing.
00:37:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, 100%. Well, yeah.
00:37:47
Patty Salmon
and And I'll back up what Adam Virgin said. I mean, I've seen it at other shows, but it's it's always the younger guys, right? like a they're a little more willing to to make a change.
00:37:59
Patty Salmon
You know, a lot of the older guys are, oh, i i salt's worked for me for the last 30 years, so why am I going to change?
00:38:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, yeah that's it.
00:38:05
Patty Salmon
But... um It's it's always that always the younger guys. i I want to be the first one in my area. I got to get a name for myself. So, you know, I want to say what I can what what i can offer to the client.
00:38:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure. And like, it's tougher when you've been doing it a certain way for 25, 30 years.
00:38:19
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:38:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
and And that's basically your easy button.
00:38:26
Patty Salmon
Yeah.
00:38:26
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:38:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
you're You're not going to want to change that, especially if it's going to cost you a shit ton of money to break into it.
00:38:31
Patty Salmon
Yeah.
00:38:31
Adam Ferchen
Oh, right.
00:38:32
Patty Salmon
yeah
00:38:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
You know it's like it's against everything.
00:38:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Older guys are you know used to like we don't want to we don't want to do more capex. We're old like I'm talking 50 plus. You're on the tail end of your snow plowing career as a business.
00:38:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
You know, you're on the down downhill slope. The last thing you want to do is have a huge CapEx to outfit, you know, 10 trucks with liquids and stuff. I think it's just guys rely on the easy button.
00:38:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
And the only, the only way they're going to change is if they're mandated to change basically.
00:38:58
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:38:59
Patty Salmon
Yeah, especially, I mean, we're we're a perfect example of this stuck in your old ways, right?
00:39:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like,
00:39:05
Patty Salmon
i I like to think a lot of the times where us as a company are at the you know forefront of some technology, but like I personally have never used treated salt in my entire life.
00:39:17
Patty Salmon
we you know My father, says, oh, I've been putting down... straight white salt for the last 20 years. Why am I going to change? And then we were forced, we were forced by one property to get into brine.
00:39:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
00:39:28
Patty Salmon
And then we saw what it did for us.
00:39:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure. And that that help that helps do it. That helps make the change, you know, being forced in one way or another. But like Jordan Smith actually said it great, right, Jeremy? ah We were doing the um the contractor review the contractor survey review, the episode with him a couple weeks back.
00:39:46
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:39:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
And he said, like, if the if the barrier of entry, the cost of entry, if the if the OEMs were making units cheap enough, guys would take a flyer. they would They would take a shot, you know, but...
00:39:57
RICK JAMES
Yep.
00:39:58
Patty Salmon
Oh yeah.
00:39:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
you know it's gotten so expensive for like both brands, both of the big main brands that a lot of guys can't take a front a flyer on it.
00:40:02
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:40:06
RICK JAMES
Well, it's,
00:40:09
RICK JAMES
yeah. And it's not even just that. I mean, yeah, it's it's something to get the sprayers, but you got to get all the other infrastructure in place too, you know,
00:40:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yup.
00:40:16
Patty Salmon
Storage tanks are not cheap.
00:40:17
RICK JAMES
you know, storage tanks are not cheap.
00:40:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Nope. Tanks are not cheap. They got a 10-year lifespan before you can see cracking and stuff in them. And then ah you the East Coast guys, we are even more unlucky where we can't get the the corn-based additives for a cheap enough price to make them cost-effective.
00:40:32
Patty Salmon
Yeah.
00:40:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
So, I mean, there's a lot of reasons.
00:40:35
RICK JAMES
Right.
00:40:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
But that being said, I saw... I saw a lot of toys out there and only guys in front of the two liquids manufacturers, you know, so Camion had guys in front of them all day and VSI by boss had guys in front of them all day and everybody else was lucky to be talking to one person at a time.
00:40:54
The SnowJobs Podcast
So there is definitely interest in Buffalo for liquids.
00:40:57
Adam Hansen
Well, and I think too, we're talking about the younger guys too.
00:40:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
So go ahead.
00:40:58
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:40:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
god
00:41:01
Adam Hansen
There's a lot of technology with these sprayers and you know generally the older crowd doesn't really like that. They're anti-technology. I even worked with a company, a larger company um couple years ago and they took one of their drivers who had run two salt trucks with large V-boxes in those 10 years.
00:41:19
Adam Hansen
And then they switched them to a thousand gallon VSI legacy sprayer. And he even admitted, I mean, he's probably in his upper fifty s He said, the first storm, I absolutely hated that thing. I never wanted to run it again.
00:41:30
Adam Hansen
Second storm, okay, I'm starting to get the hang of it. And he said by the third storm, he really actually enjoyed using it. So not only is it getting over, now I'm in something different with this technology, it's going to react different than a V-Box.
00:41:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
ye
00:41:43
Adam Hansen
So again, he had 10 years of habits that he had to break.
00:41:47
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
00:41:48
Adam Hansen
And he said, yeah, he kind of wished that he got rid of it after the first storm, but they kind of forced him to stick with it. And now that's all he wants to run.
00:41:54
Patty Salmon
Thank
00:41:55
Adam Hansen
So again, you got to teach an old dog new tricks sometimes.
00:41:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure. And you hear that kind of story over and over.
00:41:59
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:42:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like once you get guys to do liquids and they're doing it the right way, like you said, there's there's guys that if they can't answer the salinity question, then they shouldn't be using liquids. But if guys are educating themselves and they're doing it the right way, you hear that story repeat itself over and over.
00:42:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
That, okay, this is, yeah, this is the newest thing. This is going to save us money in the long run. They understand the financials and they do it. So.
00:42:25
RICK JAMES
Just got to be willing to learn, you know? Everybody's got to be willing to learn.
00:42:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
willing to learn and willing to make the cap S cap X investment, because it is not, it's not something that you, Oh, I'm not even going to think twice about this, this kind of money that that's it's up there.
00:42:33
Patty Salmon
Yeah.
00:42:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
It's getting up there. And I mean, it's already up there, but it's getting worse. It's getting tougher, you know But yeah, but that being said, like I said, there was a ton of interest in Buffalo. So good for both of you guys and and good for Cammy. And, you know, liquids is definitely here to stay. And I think it is the future. And I think that at one point they're doing studies right now in New York.
00:43:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
You know, there I know two areas right now that that are using only liquids and live edge plows at DOT that they're doing a salt reduction study. And they're, I want to say, going into the fifth year of five.
00:43:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
So it's it's common. I mean, if that goes, if that study shows what they, what it most likely will show, then I would, New York loves mandating shit. So I would not be surprised if, if that's a very knee jerk reaction that like, let's do it.
00:43:26
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:43:30
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. It worked. So,
00:43:34
Patty Salmon
so Adam Furchin, how was Storm Equipment was there with the with the live edge um plows and in the Storm Vision? How did that go?
00:43:46
Adam Ferchen
Uh, according to Steve, went great. Um, I wasn't at the booth too much. I went over there during the trade show time and kind of just sat in the loader and ran the metal plus on storm vision. Just as soon as I started moving the plow around, people started gathering around and watching it and, um, checking out the iPad.
00:44:02
Adam Ferchen
Cause iPad will show, know, if the plow is level or not and which wings operating. It's all running wirelessly. Steve, Steve said the same thing. I kind of got a common theme for most vendors I talked to where,
00:44:15
Adam Ferchen
they had a lot of good conversations and they were serious conversations. They weren't tire kickers, which is, which is good. know, um, I was involved with planning the event.
00:44:25
Adam Ferchen
So I, I didn't, I didn't run the, like, I wasn't the head of the events or anything, but I had kind of felt like obligated to make sure the vendors had a good time. And, you know, just, I followed up with a few of them and I kind got that from the ones I talked to.
00:44:42
Adam Ferchen
you being one of them too, right, Pat?
00:44:44
Patty Salmon
yeah yeah I thought it was a great event we'll we'll definitely be back next year and help them grow it
00:44:50
Adam Ferchen
You sell anything?
00:44:52
Patty Salmon
yeah to you
00:44:53
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:44:56
Adam Ferchen
Yeah, that was a win for me. I didn't have to drive to Massachusetts this time.
00:44:59
Patty Salmon
Yeah, no ah no, it was good.
00:45:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
Well, there you go. Save on shipping.
00:45:02
Patty Salmon
I had a couple people reach out this morning, actually. you know Usually after these shows, it's it's you as a vendor trying to reach out to people, trying to make contacts. and I had a couple guys reach out this morning.
00:45:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
Very cool.
00:45:16
Adam Ferchen
Good. Good.
00:45:17
RICK JAMES
Good deal.
00:45:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
How was lunch? What everybody think of lunch? Barbecue-style lunch?
00:45:22
Adam Ferchen
know I thought lunch was good.
00:45:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:45:24
Patty Salmon
Lunch was good.
00:45:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
Lunch was good.
00:45:26
Adam Ferchen
Just a little thirsty.
00:45:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
Good big-sized burgers and barbecue chicken, some salad. What else was there?
00:45:30
Patty Salmon
yeah
00:45:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
Macaroni salad.
00:45:33
Patty Salmon
Yeah, there's a macaroni salad.
00:45:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
They had salad just for Steve Smythe. That was good.
00:45:40
Adam Ferchen
Chicken was good, too.
00:45:41
Adam Hansen
ah to To me, though, like they could they could have had a little bit bigger buns for the burgers because the burger stuck out like two inches all the way around the bun.
00:45:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Chicken was very good.
00:45:48
Patty Salmon
Yeah.
00:45:48
Adam Ferchen
was...
00:45:49
Adam Hansen
But it was still good.
00:45:49
Patty Salmon
There are little sliders.
00:45:50
Adam Ferchen
was It was weird because the one side of the table had slider buns and the other side had full size buns.
00:45:51
Adam Hansen
Yeah.
00:45:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes.
00:45:58
Adam Ferchen
i
00:45:59
RICK JAMES
Oh.
00:45:59
Adam Ferchen
The slider bun was better, Adam. I'll tell you that. i tried one I tried one of each and the big one was a disappointment.
00:46:04
Adam Hansen
Okay. I had the slider bun. So it just looked like it had a massive burger.
00:46:06
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:46:08
Adam Hansen
I mean, it was but it was good.
00:46:08
Adam Ferchen
yeah
00:46:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Typical snow guys, though. like you're you can It's not like the table was divided where you couldn't see the other side of the table. So if you're getting a burger, you can clearly see five-inch diameter buns and two-inch diameter buns on the table.
00:46:22
Adam Ferchen
Okay.
00:46:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
And the guys on the one side were taking the two-inch diameter buns and sticking a six-inch diameter burger in this little tiny dinner roll bun. like Typical snow guys, man. It's so funny.
00:46:35
RICK JAMES
I ate at the Brickhouse yesterday, so I didn't eat there.
00:46:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, how was the brick house?
00:46:39
Patty Salmon
are you?
00:46:39
RICK JAMES
Brickhouse is always good.
00:46:41
The SnowJobs Podcast
Brickhouse is good. Oh my gosh. But yeah, no, it was the, the chicken was very good. The barbecue chicken was very good. Burgers were good. So drink, I would have liked if there were some sodas or iced teas or something.
00:46:52
Patty Salmon
ah
00:46:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
There wasn't even water at first. We had to ask, I think Pat's dad actually asked like, Hey, is there water or anything?
00:47:00
Patty Salmon
yeah the The water came out of the back of our sprayer, actually.
00:47:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
And she brought out like a, a dispenser of water to put out there. So we'll sponsor drinks next year.
00:47:05
Adam Ferchen
I seen the, I seen the, did you see the,
00:47:11
RICK JAMES
Perfect. That's a good idea.
00:47:13
Adam Ferchen
did you, did you guys see the girl who brought the water out?
00:47:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
No.
00:47:17
Patty Salmon
No.
00:47:17
Adam Ferchen
it was this little tiny girl with this five gallon jug of water spilling it all over her shirt. And there's a guy walking in front of her carrying a bag of hamburger buns. I'm like, what is this guy doing?
00:47:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
That sounds about right.
00:47:28
Adam Ferchen
Grab, grab the water.
00:47:29
Patty Salmon
yeah
00:47:29
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:47:31
Adam Hansen
A true gentleman there. Yeah.
00:47:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh my gosh.
00:47:34
RICK JAMES
It's going to be equality.
00:47:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
But yeah, we'll buy, we'll, we'll pay for the soda next year and the iced teas. We'll, we'll get a couple of cases of everything.
00:47:42
Patty Salmon
yeah and Yeah, and even, you know, not not to give them too hard of a time, but even in the morning they were nice enough to supply coffee, but just like put water out for people who don't drink coffee.
00:47:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
Have them there. So we'll get some drinks.
00:47:52
Adam Ferchen
No, I don't drink coffee.
00:47:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep.
00:47:54
Adam Ferchen
I need I need some some caffeinated can drinks.
00:47:55
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. Not a coffee guy.
00:47:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. We'll sponsor that next year. we We definitely will. That'll be a contribution.
00:48:04
RICK JAMES
No.
00:48:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah It was good though.
00:48:06
RICK JAMES
Electric lemonade or something.
00:48:07
The SnowJobs Podcast
I mean, yeah, there you go.
00:48:11
RICK JAMES
Get the parties there.
00:48:11
Patty Salmon
Fire, Brian.
00:48:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
Fire Brian.
00:48:13
RICK JAMES
Yeah, fire brine.
00:48:14
Patty Salmon
Fire Brian at 8am.
00:48:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes.
00:48:15
RICK JAMES
Coming out of your sprayer, fire brine.
00:48:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
there you go extremely agitated brine um but yeah that was good and then um the afternoon was after lunch you went right out to trade show was that am i remembering that correct that was good yeah i mean there were a ton of vendors there for for ah you know a third year event seemed like had all the local vendors represented right adam okay
00:48:17
Patty Salmon
Yeah, buddy.
00:48:20
RICK JAMES
yeah
00:48:29
Adam Ferchen
yep yep yeah
00:48:29
Patty Salmon
Yep.
00:48:36
Adam Ferchen
I think there were 13 I was trying to count them earlier
00:48:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
I mean, they had sidewalk machines. They had loaders. They had skids. They had trucks, plows. They had two different brine options.
00:48:54
Adam Ferchen
You had the Razorback.
00:48:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. Yep. Had the Razorback. Had Metal Pluses there. Had Ardix there. um What was the brand that was on the Bobcat tractor? I haven't seen that before.
00:49:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Snow Bandit or something?
00:49:08
Adam Ferchen
Oh, Snow Bandit.
00:49:09
Patty Salmon
Yeah, Snow Bandit.
00:49:10
Adam Ferchen
Yeah, I'm not.
00:49:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:49:11
Patty Salmon
there I kind of would equate them to like Snow Way type ah
00:49:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
okay yeah but i mean you had everything there you had um what was the was the blue blue state the icer what was uh i can't remember the name of it it was it was in the corner there that if you're walking into the pavilion the right hand side it was like yes tilson it was definitely tilson brand
00:49:18
Patty Salmon
quality. But yeah.
00:49:28
Adam Ferchen
tellson Tilson brand.
00:49:33
Adam Ferchen
Yeah, they're a de-icing company, bag bags of ice melt and stuff.
00:49:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
and they're canadian right
00:49:39
Adam Ferchen
um I don't know, but I know Slight One here carries their product.
00:49:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha. Well, the lady, i I don't remember her name, but she ah she hooked my son up with a bunch of swag. So ah that was that was very good.
00:49:50
Patty Salmon
Nice.
00:49:50
Adam Ferchen
Oh, no.
00:49:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
He was raiding everybody. Like, yeah what do you got? I'll take it.
00:49:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
And John from Arctic did not help the situation at all. I think John gave him his lunchbox, like his own personal lunchbox.
00:50:04
Adam Ferchen
Yep.
00:50:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
00:50:05
RICK JAMES
Heh. yeah
00:50:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
and Nobody else got an Arctic lunchbox. Here's Riley walking over with, oh, dad, look at this. Got an Arctic lunchbox jam-packed with hats and all sorts of Artics. I'm like, dude, we have all this stuff.
00:50:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Like, you don't need more of it.
00:50:20
Patty Salmon
Did Riley find any loaders that he liked or had any special features?
00:50:24
The SnowJobs Podcast
Riley spent about $2.5 to $3 million dollars in about 45 minutes. So, yeah, he bought everything. He loved everything, bought everything. yeah yeah He did like that. he liked the ah He spotted the, what is Devilon?
00:50:37
Patty Salmon
Yep.
00:50:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
He spotted that big loader. He wanted to take a video for Uncle Jeremy there that to show that it had a left side armrest. So he did that. He was very proud of himself for spotting that.
00:50:47
RICK JAMES
Yeah, that's pretty good.
00:50:49
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah um And then he really liked that there was a little, was a Whacker loader? like compact like like yeah uh he really liked that and that was actually an interesting one because it was it had everything it was fully loaded um i want to say they said it was sub 60 sub 60 000 so avance avant yeah yeah those are um
00:50:55
Adam Hansen
Yeah.
00:51:08
RICK JAMES
oh What were those green ones I saw? Were they Giants or what? Oh, and but all volunteer yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51:12
Adam Ferchen
Avant, you
00:51:17
RICK JAMES
I've seen those.
00:51:17
The SnowJobs Podcast
those are Those are good. ah They're very well-built machine. The one knock on those is my one of the guys that works for me in the winter is a tree guy. He has one.
00:51:26
RICK JAMES
Yeah, see tree guys use them, don't they?
00:51:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah Yeah, they're big. the The tree industry, they're huge in the tree industry. um And, like, I tried to say, hey, why don't why don't we sub this on as, like, a sidewalk machine? We'll put it in one of the complexes.
00:51:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
He's like, yeah, be my guest. Get into that thing with any kind of snow on the ground and see if you can move it. And it has, like, at least his had the worst traction in the snow. So.
00:51:50
Patty Salmon
I think they have pretty wide tires
Vendor Engagement at Trade Show
00:51:53
Patty Salmon
on them. I think that's why the tree guys like them so much because it's very low ground pressure.
00:51:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
We do. Very wild. Yeah, low ground pressure. Yep. 100%, bud. You are correct. But, I mean, yeah, they had everything there.
00:52:01
RICK JAMES
I should be next.
00:52:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
They had absolutely everything you could want at a trade show. They had a lot of vendors there. ah Bobcat was there, right? Yep.
00:52:11
Adam Hansen
Yeah.
00:52:11
Patty Salmon
but American salt.
00:52:11
Adam Hansen
And really like, yeah, anything you could want. I mean, from, you know, cause you had snow wolf there, metal plus Arctic, um, John Rodick brought the Viper inverted blower.
00:52:22
Adam Hansen
You had, uh, Bison turf with snow Raider line.
00:52:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
nop
00:52:26
Adam Hansen
Um, yeah. Avant Kubota for a small show, like the variety was, was really, really good.
00:52:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah yep no edges though uh that was the only the only thing i i noticed that if you were in that category looking for cutting um
00:52:33
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:52:58
Patty Salmon
Yeah, Adam Furchin, it would be interesting if you have access to it to see where guys came from. If it was mostly local this year if guys started to travel, Steve made a good point.
00:53:10
Patty Salmon
Ohio, Pennsylvania, four hour drive, very accessible to those guys.
00:53:15
Adam Ferchen
Yeah, i'll I'll look. I'll see if I can find out this week. I want to say the majority were local, though.
00:53:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, mean, and you had well did they give a final head count on what was there? I mean, IPEG did it between 65 and 75 people, not including vendors.
00:53:30
Adam Ferchen
I asked before this show and they said they had 75 pre-registered, but then they had a bunch of day of, so they know they were over 80.
00:53:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Okay, cool.
00:53:42
Adam Ferchen
How many of the 75 that registered showed up? I don't know, but so.
00:53:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Very cool. All right. What else? What else about that day? i actually left after the trade show. I did not stay for the ah roundtable discussion. I wanted to actually, because it was a ah rather long trip home, almost six hours, so I wanted to get on the road.
00:54:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
How did the roundtable discussions go?
00:54:05
RICK JAMES
No, Patty.
00:54:06
Patty Salmon
they They probably could have been a ah little more organized. um I think there was, was supposed to be legal, insurance, estimating, bidding, and then i was supposed to do something with liquids.
Roundtable Discussions on Industry Topics
00:54:24
Patty Salmon
maybe We did some legal. um He was ah a good John, I believe was his name. He was a good speaker. He kind of rambled on for the first half half hour, but ah just about himself.
00:54:38
Patty Salmon
um After that, he he answered it couple questions, and then we we went into insurance, and and then they kind of ended it
00:54:47
Adam Ferchen
Mm-hmm.
00:54:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
insurance didn't get more time spent on it considering what a hot button topic it is and how many questions everybody has about it right now like i was excited to see that on the paper i you unfortunately couldn't stay for it but i thought that would have been a really good round table discussion having an insurance agent there
00:55:06
Patty Salmon
yeah i Yeah, I think it was just a little a little disorganized. um and People had started to leave early, so there wasn't a bunch of people there. ah
00:55:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
gotcha
00:55:17
Patty Salmon
People started who were at the tables did start to leave, to be honest, because it was a little disorganized. um i think in the so So they essentially just put four tables together and sat everybody down and and did one by one. I think maybe a better way to do it in the future would okay, legal is going to be at this table, insurance is going to be at this table, um you know liquid is going to be at this table.
00:55:42
Patty Salmon
estimating and bin is that that one. And then you can kind of go to what, what you're interested in.
00:55:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. yeah
00:55:48
Patty Salmon
cause I did have a couple of guys walk up to me after the show and they were like, Hey, you know, Adam's presentation in the morning was great about liquids, but we we didn't get to do a Q&A.
00:55:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. No Q&A.
00:55:59
Patty Salmon
We didn't get to ask the questions.
00:56:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
and
00:56:01
Patty Salmon
So we stuck around for the liquid roundtable and they they cut it before before they even got to that. So I would probably just break that up in the future so that guys can choose what they want to go to.
00:56:13
Adam Ferchen
So last year, that's how it was. And that's why thought it was going to be the same. It was just, I think everyone leaving, during the trade show kind of made some of the committee little panic and, know, just kind of put, got everyone that was left together and them at the same table.
00:56:26
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:56:31
Adam Ferchen
But yeah, last year it was, you had a table of just people that were doing estimating pricing a table of just insurance, a table of just legal stuff. So if, if I didn't want to listen to legal talk, I went and sat at the table and wanted to learn about or which is,
00:56:45
Patty Salmon
Exactly. I think that's a much better way to do it.
00:56:58
Patty Salmon
Yeah, especially after Adam's presentation in the morning.
00:56:58
Adam Ferchen
So I'm...
00:56:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Gotcha. Good.
00:57:00
Patty Salmon
that That was one thing I noticed, and and that's not trying to sound selfish about I didn't get to talk or answer questions, but I did have three or four guys who sat at at the roundtable discussion the whole time who came up to me after the the show was ended, and and that was the the specific reason they stayed was to ask questions that they weren't able to ask in the morning, um and they didn't have that available.
00:57:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
gotcha
00:57:22
Adam Ferchen
Yeah. Well, this is, you know, we're trying to get suggestions and advice so we can, know, fix things and make them better for future years and continue to grow the event.
00:57:28
Patty Salmon
Yeah.
00:57:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
Generally, you usually want to get the classroom stuff out of the way before you let people go outside to a trade show.
00:57:36
Patty Salmon
Thank you.
00:57:38
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:57:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
Once they're outside at a trade show, they're going to look at what they want and then they're goingnna leave.
00:57:38
Adam Ferchen
all
00:57:42
The SnowJobs Podcast
They're not going to come back in.
00:57:42
Adam Ferchen
Well, yeah, they got, they got, they got lunch and then they, you know what the thing was too, is like, I felt like before the trade show, I had plenty of time to go to all the booths and kind of talk to people and,
00:57:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
00:57:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yes, you did.
00:57:53
Adam Ferchen
You know, there was something specific I wanted to talk if I wanted to talk to Pat about Brian, I could have talked to him earlier on in the day. You know, there was plenty other opportunities talk to vendors.
00:58:05
Adam Ferchen
The people that left probably got the information they needed and, know,
00:58:10
Patty Salmon
Yeah, I'll back you up on that one. I mean, I'm kind of just glancing at the schedule now. We had a lot of ah lot of people checking out the trade show before, and then, um you know, they had a whole half hour in between the weather the weather presentation and the winter equipment presentation to go walk the trade show.
00:58:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Mm-hmm.
00:58:27
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
00:58:27
Patty Salmon
ah bunch Lunch was long. A bunch of guys were walking the trade show then. So i as a vendor, I do appreciate dedicated trade show time.
00:58:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
no
00:58:37
Patty Salmon
But at the same time, Most of these guys are asking their questions before you before before the event starts, before before lunch, after the event. So I do agree getting the education in the morning is probably better when when everybody's actually sticking around.
00:58:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. Once you let them walk outside there, half of them are going to go. You're going to have guys go. Um, I would get all your ed.
00:59:02
Patty Salmon
Especially after lunch.
00:59:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. Yeah. Get all your education stuff done, you know, before lunch or even push lunch back. Um, that that's like usually the best way to hang on to people. Um,
00:59:13
Adam Ferchen
but The other thing too is for vendors, like you're at a trade show with a product and someone asks you how much it costs, you should know how much that product costs.
00:59:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, yeah, that actually happened twice where couldn't couldn't get a price. I'm like, how do you not know what the hell is going for?
00:59:27
Adam Ferchen
It didn't happen to me at this one, but I won't say who it was, but it's storm fuel day.
00:59:27
Patty Salmon
Yeah, was yeah
00:59:32
Adam Ferchen
Me and Pat were talking to somebody and the guy couldn't give us a price on the product. I'm like, what do you
00:59:36
Patty Salmon
I'll say it was. It was Douglas Dynamics.
00:59:37
Adam Ferchen
All right. Well, I'm not going to
00:59:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, was that their new product?
00:59:41
Adam Ferchen
Oh, it was a storm push box. Or no, the wing plow.
00:59:43
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh.
00:59:44
Adam Ferchen
The wing plow.
00:59:44
Patty Salmon
Yeah, he he couldn't tell you but yeah whatever that plow is called, their version of a wing plow. He couldn't even give any ah a it couldn't give you a ballpark of what it cost.
00:59:49
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, the pile driver.
00:59:53
Adam Ferchen
He gave us a...
00:59:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, they weren't. I don't think they were there for that. That was their spreader guy. They were looking at they were just shopping their new controller, really, I think.
01:00:01
Patty Salmon
Yeah, which which is fine. I'm not trying to give them a hard time.
01:00:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:00:04
Patty Salmon
he was probably thrown into it. But if you could just give an MSRP, I'm not asking for the details, the hydraulics, just just know an MSRP on a product.
01:00:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
01:00:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, no, you're 100% right.
01:00:16
Adam Ferchen
No, but there were a few, though, that we talked to where they like, oh, I don't know. We got to talk to the dealer.
01:00:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
That happened twice yesterday. Yeah. that the um um i don't yeah
01:00:27
Adam Ferchen
Like he said, just give ballpark. $20,000 $25,000. That's all you need to know.
01:00:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. just yeah the but yeah yeah helps yeah
01:00:30
Adam Ferchen
Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:31
Adam Hansen
or Or just and just just lie to me. like Just lie to me and be confident in the lie.
01:00:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah in' fine Yeah.
01:00:36
Adam Ferchen
yeah yeah
01:00:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
Just give a, give an overprice. Like, yeah, it's, this is definitely not going to be over 70.
01:00:44
Adam Ferchen
yeah
01:00:46
Adam Hansen
Good enough for me.
01:00:47
The SnowJobs Podcast
Jeremy, you're muted. don't know why. Oh, Jay, you're muted there.
01:00:52
RICK JAMES
Oh, sorry. Yeah, I said shoot high, and then when a dealer gives you a price, and you're like, oh, shit, it's way cheaper than I thought it was going to be.
01:00:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
what
01:00:56
Adam Ferchen
ah he could
01:00:57
Patty Salmon
I'm going to go with him.
01:00:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
yes
01:00:57
Patty Salmon
He's great.
01:00:57
Adam Hansen
Everyone's happy.
01:00:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
yeah
01:00:58
RICK JAMES
I'll take two of them. I'll take two of them.
01:01:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
oh man uh you know what let's hit some commercials here and we'll uh we'll come back and keep doing this we'll be back in 30 seconds thirty seconds
01:01:32
Patty Salmon
Thank
01:02:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
All right, we're back. So what else do we have to talk about for the Buffalo day yesterday? um The actual trade show, everybody agrees, was that went well for the vendors, you guys think?
01:02:15
Adam Ferchen
I think so.
01:02:15
Patty Salmon
I was very, very happy. I was very glad that we went. and Like I said earlier, been a lot of them this year, a lot of them that were much larger, and I probably had the best connections and conversations yesterday.
01:02:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah Yeah, there were no tire kickers, it didn't look like.
01:02:29
Adam Ferchen
and i think it was was relatively cheap for you to be a vendor to correct.
01:02:35
Patty Salmon
Yeah, it was very reasonable, and and we were a sponsor as well. um it was I was very, very happy. I was very happy we went. We'll be there next year.
01:02:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's great. And this was the third year, Adam. This was the third year they've had this.
01:02:49
Adam Ferchen
Yeah. Yep.
01:02:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's great.
01:02:51
Patty Salmon
Thank you.
01:02:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
So it's grown every year. And these are not easy guys. Like everybody listening out there, we're the first ones to tell you putting on any kind of event, whether it's one day, multiple days, whether small or big is not easy.
01:03:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
So anybody that's attempting this for the snow industry hats off to you for attempting to put on an event and you know, this is just meant to help, you know, let's make it better. Let's get it. Let's get more guys from Ohio and Pennsylvania coming in next year.
01:03:18
The SnowJobs Podcast
Cause it's a half the drive that it is for people from downstate New York to get up there. So, I mean, I think Kyle Martin can be there in like what Jeremy three hours.
01:03:27
RICK JAMES
Three hours, i think you said.
01:03:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:03:28
RICK JAMES
So three, three.
01:03:28
The SnowJobs Podcast
So, I mean that, that well with bald rear tires, right.
01:03:29
Patty Salmon
Not if he's in it's a Tacoma.
01:03:31
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:03:32
Adam Ferchen
Yeah.
01:03:35
Patty Salmon
but
01:03:35
RICK JAMES
oh
01:03:36
Patty Salmon
I don't know why those would be bald.
01:03:36
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah
01:03:36
RICK JAMES
Yeah. yeah
01:03:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
uh, but I mean, in all seriousness, think about what that opens up if within a three hour drive of Ohio.
01:03:39
RICK JAMES
I mean, no.
01:03:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
If there's a, if that gets a little bit bit bigger and a little bit, uh, you put some, some very attractive speakers and stuff on there, uh, like maybe a Jordan Smith or,
01:03:53
Patty Salmon
Yeah.
Importance of Regional Shows for Networking
01:03:57
The SnowJobs Podcast
you know, what?
01:03:57
Adam Ferchen
Well, he was...
01:03:57
RICK JAMES
Whoa, whoa. Now you're cutting Adam down right in front of him?
01:04:01
Adam Hansen
I was going to say, well, I believe you just called me attractive is what you said.
01:04:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
No, no, no, no.
01:04:02
RICK JAMES
What is wrong with you?
01:04:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
I'm saying, uh,
01:04:04
RICK JAMES
Jesus.
01:04:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
it's yes very attractive very attractive but no like that was actually that was actually a shot but you know patty sam and those but yeah no uh that like get people that a the a get people the people in buffalo have heard of before in the industry big big names that you know now now you see how that's circling back to the jordan smith you know like yeah
01:04:06
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:04:06
Adam Hansen
Yeah.
01:04:30
RICK JAMES
Yeah, I get it. I get it.
01:04:31
Patty Salmon
Who's that guy?
01:04:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:04:33
RICK JAMES
Who's Jordan?
01:04:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
So, but like, that's what you you get that and you you get some names that the guys out there in the rest of the country know too. And then, you know, it draws different groups of people.
01:04:45
The SnowJobs Podcast
And before you know it, you, you know, you're, you're selling out, you you stop it at 150 or 200 and you still got turn people away in a couple of years. But I love it. I love the regional stuff. though I think those are the key.
01:04:58
The SnowJobs Podcast
I don't think a large main show ah is there for everybody because guys can't afford it. You know, guys can't afford to go away for five days and maybe take a bunch of their guys with them. So these for those kind of guys, the smaller guys and stuff, these shows are critical.
01:05:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
you know This could be their only chance to to get knowledge during the year to to network with guys and to talk to certain vendors. So having these one-day regional shows are are great, and we'll help them grow any way we can.
01:05:25
Adam Hansen
Well, like you said, too, it's just it's just one day.
01:05:25
Patty Salmon
and
01:05:27
Adam Hansen
So it's not like, you know, Simon's a great show. But again, you have your travel day to get there, your time there, your travel day back.
01:05:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
Sure.
01:05:35
Adam Hansen
But now you just take one day off. And like if you have a project you got to get back to, yeah, hang around for the trade show and go home.
01:05:40
Adam Ferchen
Yep.
01:05:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:05:42
Adam Hansen
And and I'll say this.
Easier Setup at Smaller Shows
01:05:43
Adam Hansen
I've set up at a lot of trade shows in my life. But these small regional shows are really easy to set up. as opposed to like a Saima where you got to get a forklift and find somewhere to park at the convention center.
01:05:55
Adam Hansen
Like these regional ones for vendors are pretty easy to do and a lot less stressful than those big shows.
01:05:59
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah. Yeah. You don't get away for the union operator to make an appointment with you to move your shit in.
01:06:04
Adam Hansen
Yeah.
01:06:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
You know, you don't have to disconnect the batteries, you know, train the fuel tanks.
01:06:05
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:06:06
Adam Hansen
Yeah.
01:06:10
Adam Hansen
Make sure the fuel's out.
01:06:10
Patty Salmon
too much steel.
01:06:11
Adam Hansen
Yeah.
01:06:12
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah.
01:06:12
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:06:13
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah do any that That's why I said, these are critical. These one day shows or even two day shows, but that, that are regional and guys can, Guys don't even have to stay overnight if they're, you know, they can, if they're three hours away, you leave at five, you're there by eight in the morning, and then you can turn around right after it's over and go home. You don't even have to, you know, stay overnight.
01:06:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
So I think that's, ah I think they're great. I love them. and ah And we'll we'll do whatever we can to help these regional shows.
Social Media Success for Plant Western NY
01:06:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
was
01:06:39
Patty Salmon
And what one thing I'll add, Adam Furchin, I meant to introduce myself to her, but ah like I said, great event.
01:06:40
The SnowJobs Podcast
It makes everybody better.
01:06:46
Patty Salmon
We were very busy all day. They did an excellent job with ah the social media promoting the show. So if if you end up talking to the the girl in charge of that, make sure she knows that.
01:06:56
The SnowJobs Podcast
What name? I met her on the way out, and I don't remember her name.
01:06:59
Adam Ferchen
Maria.
01:07:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
I apologize.
01:07:00
Adam Ferchen
Her name's Maria.
01:07:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
Maria?
01:07:02
Adam Ferchen
Yeah, she does.
01:07:03
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yep. Excellent job.
01:07:04
Adam Ferchen
She does all the social media for Plant Western New York. She does a good job with it.
01:07:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
Excellent. Excellent job. Yep. And like I said, if they need anything from us, don't hesitate to reach out in the future for next year's show. just I would say get us the information as far out in in advance as possible so we can keep putting it on people's radars and hopefully help this show take off.
01:07:26
Adam Ferchen
I appreciate it, guys.
01:07:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
No problem, brother.
01:07:27
Patty Salmon
For sure.
01:07:28
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:07:29
The SnowJobs Podcast
Anything else, Big Papa? Anything else?
01:07:33
Adam Hansen
I think
Upcoming Events in New England
01:07:34
Patty Salmon
I get one thing, Steve, for for for the guys in the New England area, September 10th up in New Hampshire, you get the New new Hampshire Salt Symposium.
01:07:34
Adam Hansen
we're good.
01:07:35
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, you're good? right Yeah, go ahead.
01:07:45
Patty Salmon
That's Concord, New Hampshire. After that, ah September 17th and 18th is the New England Public Works Expo in Marlborough, Massachusetts. for, uh, any those guys looking for some more snow shows in the area. Those are excellent, excellent events to go to.
01:08:01
The SnowJobs Podcast
Isn't there a Northeast De-Icing Solutions show or something?
01:08:01
Adam Ferchen
When was your
01:08:03
Patty Salmon
There is, I didn't want to plug my own show, but, but ah no, no, I was stopping it, but, uh,
01:08:05
The SnowJobs Podcast
what Why?
01:08:05
Adam Ferchen
event?
01:08:06
The SnowJobs Podcast
I thought you were going to lead with that.
01:08:06
RICK JAMES
Love it. Yeah.
01:08:09
The SnowJobs Podcast
You told me to two shows that I don't know, but yeah, you don't plug your own? Come on, that's the one we're going to. What else about it?
01:08:15
Patty Salmon
Yeah, ah ah October 2nd, we'll be hosting, Northeast De-Icing Solutions will be hosting their, we called it De-Icing Day last year. It was our our first event. We had a great turnout. um We'll have Jordan Smith doing his his doing doing what he does.
01:08:32
Patty Salmon
Not as good as Adam, but we'll have him out there doing what he does.
01:08:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
Never, never as good as Adam.
01:08:35
Adam Hansen
Agreed. Agreed.
01:08:36
Patty Salmon
is
01:08:36
Adam Hansen
great
01:08:37
The SnowJobs Podcast
and
01:08:37
Patty Salmon
yeah Liquid's presentation, they're going to touch on the benefits of live-edge plows, hydraulic wing live-edge plows. I think Steve is going to host another panel discussion and we'll we'll have a bunch of, of, of equipment to check out for everybody.
01:08:45
RICK JAMES
Never heard of him. I
01:08:53
Patty Salmon
Some Brian making demonstrations.
01:08:53
The SnowJobs Podcast
The first, first we're hearing about this. What are, what panel discussion? What's the topics?
01:08:58
Patty Salmon
I still coming up with it.
01:09:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, okay. Okay.
01:09:02
Patty Salmon
uh,
01:09:02
RICK JAMES
think Adam should come and heckle Jordan on his.
01:09:04
The SnowJobs Podcast
That, yes, I will pay for that plane ticket.
01:09:07
Adam Hansen
Oh, yeah, that I like that idea.
01:09:10
Adam Ferchen
Okay.
01:09:11
Adam Hansen
Hey, I know of anyone, I know all of Jordan's deepest, darkest secrets.
01:09:12
RICK JAMES
and
01:09:16
Adam Hansen
So, again, I'd be happy to do it.
01:09:18
RICK JAMES
and
01:09:19
The SnowJobs Podcast
You know, we should called Adam when I needed those pictures to make the fat heads.
01:09:19
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:09:23
The SnowJobs Podcast
I should have called Adam and got those.
01:09:23
Patty Salmon
I think
01:09:25
The SnowJobs Podcast
I'm sure he's got pictures. i That's where I should have gone because Adam had not um had nothing to do with those equipped fat heads.
01:09:29
Adam Hansen
Oh, yeah.
01:09:33
Adam Hansen
No, no, you should have asked me.
01:09:33
The SnowJobs Podcast
he innocent if any of our
01:09:35
Adam Hansen
I would have helped, you know.
01:09:37
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:09:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
ah For the record, he was completely innocent of all involvement of that scheme. So that was funny. That was good times. Anybody got anything else? All right.
01:09:49
Patty Salmon
that's a wrap.
01:09:50
Adam Hansen
We're good.
01:09:51
The SnowJobs Podcast
All
Closing Remarks and Future Contributions
01:09:52
The SnowJobs Podcast
right, cool. Well, we want to thank Plant Western New York. Thank Adam Furchin for having us. We had a great time. It was ah it was really was a good event, and we hope to help you make it even better next year and grow it. and Thanks for having us. and It was good seeing you, Big Papa. don't get to see you enough, man.
01:10:09
Adam Hansen
Good to see you too.
01:10:10
The SnowJobs Podcast
If I don't go to Syme, I don't see you. Boss doesn't make you travel?
01:10:14
Adam Hansen
Well, I missed Saima this year because I was at a wedding in Colorado where I actually officiated the wedding. So I i couldn't miss that.
01:10:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh!
01:10:21
Adam Hansen
Yeah.
01:10:21
The SnowJobs Podcast
Wow.
01:10:22
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:10:22
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's kind of important. Yeah. You can't, can't miss it. If you're the one doing it.
Humorous Peer Pressure Discussion
01:10:27
Adam Hansen
Yeah, can't skip out.
01:10:27
The SnowJobs Podcast
Good. for you Good for you. Father Hanson. All right, cool.
01:10:31
Patty Salmon
Yeah.
01:10:32
The SnowJobs Podcast
What, when, when's your next appearance?
01:10:32
Patty Salmon
a
01:10:34
The SnowJobs Podcast
when
01:10:35
Adam Ferchen
Okay.
01:10:36
Patty Salmon
October 2nd.
01:10:38
The SnowJobs Podcast
is Is he coming? You got to come.
01:10:40
Adam Hansen
all have this um I got to check my schedule. I'll see what I can do.
01:10:43
Patty Salmon
I just put him on the spot, so he's got it now.
01:10:44
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, God. He's got to come.
01:10:46
RICK JAMES
Yeah.
01:10:46
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, he's got to come.
01:10:47
RICK JAMES
yeah
01:10:48
The SnowJobs Podcast
that wolf
01:10:48
Adam Hansen
The peer pressure is so hard on this show.
01:10:49
The SnowJobs Podcast
Will that fluster? Be honest, though. Will that fluster Jordan, you being in the front row, him knowing you're in the room and you can, you know, throw shade on him?
01:10:58
Adam Hansen
I feel like I could do it.
01:11:00
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah? You think you can fluster him?
01:11:00
Adam Hansen
Yeah.
01:11:00
Patty Salmon
Yeah.
01:11:02
Adam Hansen
I could stare into his soul and I could stir him
01:11:02
RICK JAMES
Then we have to do it.
01:11:02
The SnowJobs Podcast
man.
01:11:03
RICK JAMES
Then we have to do it.
01:11:04
Adam Hansen
i could stare into his soul and i could stir him up
01:11:08
RICK JAMES
Let's do it.
01:11:08
The SnowJobs Podcast
That's great. Let's do it.
01:11:09
Patty Salmon
The Q&A would be great. Just give them just give them the hardest question.
01:11:11
The SnowJobs Podcast
We got...
01:11:11
RICK JAMES
Yeah. Really? How much do you really know?
01:11:14
The SnowJobs Podcast
Yeah, we'll get your plane ticket for that.
01:11:15
RICK JAMES
don't
01:11:16
The SnowJobs Podcast
That'll be worth it.
01:11:18
RICK JAMES
know.
01:11:20
The SnowJobs Podcast
Oh, man. All right, boys. Well, that's going to do it then. Thanks again, Adam, for having us up to Buffalo. We appreciate it. It was a good time. ah We'll see you next year. ah For everybody else, that is going to do it.
01:11:28
Adam Ferchen
Yes, sir.
01:11:31
The SnowJobs Podcast
Episode 133 of the Snow Jaws Podcast main show in the book. So thanks so much to these boys for coming on again. It's always great.
01:11:38
Patty Salmon
Thank you.
01:11:39
The SnowJobs Podcast
They always are very giving of their time. We appreciate it. And that'll do it for us. Everybody be safe out there. Have a great week. Keep pushing.