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Ty & Eric throw back a couple pints live from an Irish pub, while they discuss the deletion of the middle class, the shrinkflation of the shopping cart, the forgotten craftmanship of ice cubes, the era of CEO assassinations, and the true meanings of Christmas. They also officially have converted Think Fresh to a Fresh Beer podcast, featuring a special guest, the server.
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Intro
00:00:05
Speaker
cry Hello, breadheads. Ty and Eric coming to you live from, you guessed it, English pub. Because it's Friday. And this is our first time ever recording in public. Well, I don't know. It depends if you think a park is public, but this would be the first time inside another business. We are literally inceptioning a business with our business. Is that wild? Dude, that's right. where this is suddenly creatives camping coffee shops, but we are finding ourselves at an Irish pub sipping on the sweet black nectar of Guinness. It feels very inspiring to be amongst all of these retired drunk white men. You can hear them in the background. It adds a warmth, I hope, to the audio recording. Yeah, certain ambiance, I would say. But, Ty, do you know how we can tell the difference between an Irish pub and a British pub? Is it the level of alcohol intake?
00:00:57
Speaker
No, because both are high. I mean, you could split hairs, but the primary difference is an Irish pup has hardwood floors as opposed to a carpet. Oh, do all British pups have carpet? Yeah, and it's because there's more fights in the Irish pup, so it's easier to mop up the blood. Oh, that makes so much sense.
00:01:18
Speaker
That actually checks out because the fact I learned about this Guinness that we're sipping today is, and this is really good for me, is that Guinness is really high in iron. Oh, no way. Yeah. Iron man over here. Iron man. And that's perfect. If you're experiencing extreme blood loss, you want to like pump up your iron feet because you're going to lose iron with the blood. That makes so much sense. That's why every woman has iron deficiency. Because they're not chugging Gs. Yeah, exactly. They're chugging Gs. Wow. Okay, so even if you lose a pint of blood because you got your head bashed in, mate. Fucking pub. Fucking pub. You fucking knob it. It won't matter because have a couple of guineas and you'll be back to normal in no time. Dude, yeah. The guinea to blood ratio is like one's depleting and the other's whatever the opposite of depleting is. Completing? Whoa, that's cool. But yeah, Tai, we're both sleeping on the Guinness right now. These Guinness glasses don't have a G on them, which is kind of unfortunate, but Tai and I were able to pull off the one sip perfect alignment without even talking about it. We both either know where the G is, none of the bright heads, none of that's for sure. Or we're just in sync with how much Guinness we want to consume in one go. Yeah, for sure. It's all muscle memory at this point. I close my eyes. You know what the trick is Eric, when splitting the G on a Guinness? One courtesy gulp at the very end. When you think you're done, just one more gulp. I always do it, Ty. I was wondering if it was just me. No, I always am like, you know, it just needs one little more. Just kind of pad the palate. But you know what's great about these glasses though, is there's no losers. You just kind of sip the beer and everyone's happy. Yeah, you can't miss.
00:02:55
Speaker
It's not for this generation. Clearly, have you seen the clientele in here? We've got pictures of random executives on the wall. I think that one's Brian Thompson up there. Oh, no way. Yeah, dude, he's hugging Luigi. Is that the CEO of Enron, too? Yeah, dude, I don't know, is Lockheed Martin aware that their CEO is plastered on this Irish pub? Whoa, dude, it's the best of time and the worst of time to be a CEO, let me tell you.
00:03:23
Speaker
I think it's great that like it finally comes with some accountability and some risk. Yeah, I think so It's the first like for all of time warlords and kings and princes and emperors They all came with like the power came with a risk that someone was gonna Annex you or have you capped, you know, yeah, but The modern warlord, the modern king, the CEO, the C-suite, comes with no risk. What, you're gonna just get cancelled? Who cares? We still made a million dollars, billion dollars. That's right. I mean, I don't know if you guys have seen the episode, or not the episode, the movie Gladiator 2, but the whole thing is like, how do we chop the king's head off? It's like, we absolutely need to chop the king's head off right now. And it just really makes you think, like, what if we lived in that society today? What would it look like? Could somebody from the second floor of an office building go up to the fifth floor and do some real damage? dude Would that change anything? Or would you just be thrown in jail and a company would have one day of mourning on LinkedIn and that's it? Yeah, no kidding. I think that like you could get ah away with it and it would change business forever. Maybe you wouldn't get away with it, but you'd be a martyr to business.
00:04:39
Speaker
Yeah, it sounds like our boy Luigi was intending to be a martyr and wasn't even trying very hard to be to escape. Do you think Luigi's bum that he didn't get, like, shot? Like, do you think he was supposed to die during this?
00:04:51
Speaker
I don't think so. I think he wants the, you know, beautiful mug shoddy post of his to go alive. You know what I mean? Right. I think people want to eventually come across his shirtless hiking pics. Like, that's kind of the whole point. This was actually just a hinge play. and He's trying to hit the... like trying to exceed the target radius that Tinder allows. Yeah, dude. The only way to really break the plateau on Tinder is to murder a CEO. Whoa.
00:05:19
Speaker
Yeah, huge platform. Yeah, dude, so I mean and it's clearly working. Yeah Well, I just I've been watching so many YouTube videos about like everything that's going on in the Middle East and like Everyone's getting assassinated over there all the time. If you're a leader in like Sudan or Syria or Saudi Arabia, like you've got like five years until you're getting absolutely like getting clipped by some sort of military coup. 100%. Or Mohammed bin Salman is gonna send his legion, just absolutely obliterate you. Did you say Mohammed bin Solomon? Yeah, the prince of the Saudi Arabia.
00:05:57
Speaker
Oh, I thought you were making like a menswear joke. Nice. He's real gorp-core over there in Syria. ey You're gonna be gorped to death by him. Dude, that guy's so rich. I think he's worth 1.4 trillion dollars.
00:06:12
Speaker
Dude, Saudi money and like I guess oil money in general is just like different. like doesn't We can't even fathom it it here in the Western mind because the as much as our billionaire overlords don't want to tell us their net worth, yeah we're still able to kind of figure it out. But over there, we don't know their net worth. It's completely hidden. It's masked. it's That's right. And you can't even really measure their sense of power over there. like like If they can have someone killed with an email, like i don't think how can you even quantify that? like Forbes isn't going to contact you and be like, how how many people have you murked via Outlook today? It's impossible to count.
00:06:52
Speaker
i don' Yeah, they're probably they're off email at this point. They mean I messaged murder people Yeah, bro when the slack reminder comes through like you got it. You got a cut someone's head off tomorrow like yeah Yeah, this guy's probably got take a okay for the Oh, no, it's okay. You want to know we're just chammon. Do you want to jam with us? i wish i could mind of a few other things That's okay, yeah I think we're just gonna have a liquid lunch today. Yeah, that's all right sweet checks out i ten or fifty minutes Thank you, we appreciate it
00:07:23
Speaker
In inverted guest bomb Great service here the period service So yeah, tied how do we get to the point where we're worth 1.4 trillion inches 1.4 trillion inches. Well, we need our bread heads to buy some more merch. That's a good place to start holiday drop Yeah th Anything we want to talk about the point we already talked about it at length, so I don't know but oh yeah, dude post I I got a crazy holiday take for you. Okay. I finally discovered the true meaning of Christmas. Oh, no yeah, wait I think you tease this to me eat at the Christmas market. Yeah, I don't think we got to talking about it though. Okay here's something
00:08:04
Speaker
Every year I'm like Christmas is kind of washed because like I gotta buy all these gifts, I gotta do these secret Santa's, I gotta go to these holiday parties. I'm doing all these stupid activities like look at Christmas lights and build a snowman. Cutting down trees. Cutting down trees and I have to buy all these stupid things for my friends and family. Real quick, Ty, it's amazing how like with all the efforts to like plant trees and save the rainforest where there's one day of the year where it's the purge, you're allowed to cut down any tree you want. There's 8 billion people on earth. If they all celebrated, we'd lose a whole rainforest every year. Just for one stupid i like tradition. That's crazy.
00:08:44
Speaker
um so Just what happened, Eric. This is the first year of my life that none of my friends and family are available to hang out with me at Christmas. I was already here that time. yeah We can hang out if you want. Family's overseas right now. Friends are all busy. Everyone's doing their own thing. This left me, a little me, with nothing to do on Christmas Day. Well Ty, I'll be honest, there's always a seat at my family table for my esteemed co-host and their partner. so I appreciate the offer. and It's so good to know that like and that you are more than just a co-host to me.
00:09:24
Speaker
That's right. I'm also Red Cross. Exactly. A very charitable cause. He is the United Nations. um but you i Then I realized, because there's nobody around, that, oh, I wish I had people to spend Christmas with. And then I realized, and there's a Santa Claus' hierarchy of needs. And at the very foundational level... We call it the Santa Claus. The Claus. That's just the Claus.
00:09:51
Speaker
Level one is like being on theme for Christmas, doing like having a sense of place. And then level two is surrounding yourself with the people. Then level three is like gifts, and level four is Christmas activities like Caroling. You're right.
00:10:06
Speaker
I've had the privilege my whole life of living between level 3 and 4 to the point that I didn't even realize that 1 and 2 was a privilege. And now I do. And now, Eric, I understand the meaning of Christmas. It's what they all said, but I didn't really get it. Ty, welcome to the Christmas spirit. I'm happy to have you. um Dude, you're so right, because all the caroling, the snowball fights, you know the decorating the outside of my $5 million dollars home, that stuff is it's extra. you know what i mean But what it really comes down to is sharing a pint with your mate. you know i mean Having the racist uncle come by, show him some love for once.
00:10:51
Speaker
yeah Dude, you can't share a pint, you can't have a snowball fight, and you can't validate racist unk if there isn't another person present. Those all take two, yeah or more. Yeah, exactly. All these people need someone else to give them energy, you know what I mean? there's no There's no Christmas without, you know, everyone kind of like, drunkenly sitting around the dinner table, you know, someone lets a racist joke fly. It's all good. We're all family here. the real The real gift is the memories we make. 100%. Beautiful, beautiful. I don't know if you feel this way, Ty, but um I still kind of censor myself around like my friends a little bit. like i'll just kind of like I'll say things that are I think are funny or whatever, but I'll still ensure that people will like me at the end of the day. When I'm with my family, that all goes out the window. I'm actually my most flagrant self with my parents.
00:11:46
Speaker
Oh wow, that's great. I'm the most flagrant self when I'm too beer steep on this mic. There's that, but also like I think that I let the most misogynistic racist jokes fly with my parents. That's cool. yeah It is because they come from the generation that encourages that type of thinking. I think so. And also they they have no choice but to let love me. so That's true. That's a double entendre. No one from Gen X is canceling people. but They're not the cancelers, they're the cancel. yeah They're the silenced generation. That is true, unless they have a Facebook account. Then then things get a little wishy-washy, but for the most part, yeah they seem to be the well-adjusted generation.
00:12:26
Speaker
The best gift millennials can do this Christmas is, while you're at home for the holidays, jump on the PC when no one's looking, go into the Facebook profile settings, and change the audience demographic. Just close friends, just maybe one or two. Like, self-censor them when they're not looking. I thought you were gonna say make onto profile public. but Just, ah you know, open it let her have some accountability for once. No, dude, we don't need any more, like, dissent online. Oh, okay, cool, cool, cool.
00:12:55
Speaker
You can't stay off the truth social. 100% in blue sky too. There's two evils. Yeah dude. hu do you still use Do you use Twitter or any of the text based social media or is it you know just strictly snap? Is is like iMessage text-based social media? I guess it's like more one-to-one, but if I were to clarify, I would say one-to-many. Yeah, that's true. No, I don't... and This is kind of voice-to-text-based. Yeah, we're more voice actors than social media tweeters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Twitter fingers turn to podcast fingers. Dude, I get why South American people are always sending voice messages to each other instead of typing. Like, this is... It's so much easier to get a point across when I can just, like...
00:13:41
Speaker
put Put my mouth on this mic. Dude, yeah, it's impossible to drive a taxi with three people in it. And also be texting wifey back home. You have to be on the 20-hour landline call. Dude, yeah. You only got 24 hours in a day. You gotta to meet the most of them. Oh, dude. Man, so I saw, I walked past a shopping cart today and it was on fire? Isn't that crazy? It was just like on fire.
00:14:09
Speaker
ah Pretty soon the listeners can triangulate our position because we said Irish pub shopping caught on fire We just need like one more identifying, you know element to Tell people where we are. There's only so many derelict neighborhoods in Vancouver, Canada Dude ah Yeah, shopping carts are there's a really interesting thing happening in the shopping cart industry We're not seeing them as much in derelict neighborhoods They've kind of left it the meth heads are no longer using them to carry their stuff around and I'm gonna tell you why Eric Okay, let's hear it. I think that there's a secret war on shopping carts. Grocery stores, evil whole foods, wants you to buy less for more money. And if you notice, there's a shrinkflation happening with the sizes of shopping carts. They're all getting smaller and smaller. Some grocery stores are straight up through only doing baskets at this point. And it's not because our unhoused population is stealing them. I think it's a war on the middle class.
00:15:10
Speaker
This is an interesting tie. You're right, because the middle class has, what, four or five malice to feed for a household? So the cart is necessary, yep whereas the you know typical like young person in Trudeau's economy, they're not buying a four-person a home, they're buying like a one bedroom apartment, yeah and in order to feed one or two people, all you need is a basket, or that's all you need the the mini shopping cart, you know? And even if you have many mouths to feed, your money can only get you a carton of eggs and a jug of milk, but you know what? That fills up these micro-carts. So it still feels like you're getting a full grocery haul, and you're paying the price of a full grocery haul, but it's a psychological shrinkflation happening, and I think it's bullshit. mmm interesting it's like yeah you don't need a full shopping cart but i'm also on that i'm on the same page as whole foods thai like i don't think you need to fill the grande shopping cart with like 300 fucking eggs uh four gallons of milk
00:16:16
Speaker
You just go more often, you know? Yeah, that's true. You have to see what's on special more more frequently. you're you're You're kind of micro-gambling microgambling in a way, but you're playing the field, you're seeing like, where's my discies today? Can I get a sweet deal on some organic macaroni? Yeah, and this is, it relates to my personal anti-cosco-fication, you know what I mean? Buy less, go more. well Okay, I am just acknowledging that there's a war on the middle class I don't I'm actually pro corporate in this case because I don't associate with that group of people. Yeah So yeah shrink it make it tiny. Okay, so you're on board. actually I'm on board. I just I just wanted to um point out that like this is happening and Maybe we should as a society address it, but like yeah, honestly like I get why the middle class is shrinking because there's three categories here That are really important that the middle class is being denied sex drugs for rock and roll Hear me out. Okay
00:17:16
Speaker
Dude, I'm one Guinness thief and I'm going off. Okay, let's hear it bros almost halfway through the Guinness but The middle-class man can no longer there was a time Mad Men era when the middle-class man could like beg a dime but like now like hot girls only want to go for the rich guys or like the poor artists the middle class man has now got to settle with mediocrity as far as like obtain obtaining a beautiful woman it's impossible so they're not incentivized to like exist now they have to go up or down drugs there are no good drugs left for the middle class
00:17:50
Speaker
There's only like the the washed ones, alcohol and smoking and coffee. Hell yeah, those are my three favorites. Yeah dude, because you're like an NPC pill by them. Hell no dude, that's what I need to feel normal. Dude, the upper class gets all the bougie ones like Coke and the lower class gets all the hard ones like Fenty, right? Yep.
00:18:09
Speaker
rock and roll. There are no good cultural experiences left for the middle class. They are the ones that are like watching the Netflix's and sitting at home playing iPhone games all night. Rodding away in in the couch. Rodding away. The lower class is exploring like new innovative ways to create culture and the upper class is obviously there they're be like bidding on Banksy at Sophie's.
00:18:32
Speaker
So they're buying the hunk to a coin and not not batting an eyelash when it flips, right? Exactly, but it's just from the livelihood of another middle-class man. So across all three verticals, Erik, American, like, normal people are suffering. There's nothing for them across all three verticals.
00:18:52
Speaker
I guess you're right, Todd. I don't know how the fuck I'm gonna even argue against anything you just said, because you're 100% right. I know, it's objectively true. It sucks for- It's objectively true, and that's why- Let's also- Let's go there, Todd. Taxes. Taxes. Who pays the most in taxes? The middle class. It's always the people who are rich enough who get fucked the most Yeah, not the people who are like actually truly rich like our boys in Saudi Arabia, right? They're not paying tax They're taking loans out against their assets, which is like a billion dollars with the oil I don't even know how to take a loan out against an asset. I don't even have an asset And then also the poor people they're also paying barely nothing because if you make less than like 25K a year or something, you just don't pay taxes. So I'm like, well, fuck, that leaves everybody else in the middle. I'm having to pay half my money to Big Trudeau. Now what? I'm subsidizing Jeff Bezos' wine cellar. That sucks. I mean, you donating to the Hawk 2.0 wine collection is something different than what I'm talking about, but that is a good point as well. the stock market is being us being allowed to play in the stock market is kind of like Your peasants like you can you can play a little bit as well and like it's almost a guarantee that we lose Mm-hmm, but whatever at least we got to you know chuck a ball in the hoop from once totally It's not even like an appetizer of what it's like to like have exponential wealth. It's like a can of pay You know, it's like a taster at a craft brewery I
00:20:22
Speaker
you're like just getting a tease of like a wedding of the palette of like oh this is where the rich people hang out you know yeah but I don't think they're in Robin Hood I think like like Charles Schwab has got like an entire wing dedicated to them yeah that's true the whole task force yeah that's true like if I was rich the quest trade would be green and not red exactly It's always so red. It's always so fucking red. I'm still trying to claw back from 2020 era. Can't win. Can't win. That's why you guys gotta buy our merch. Don't let us get in the green. My percent of proceeds will go to the wealth symbol app.
00:20:54
Speaker
yeah balance Damn. It's funny how it's like it's literally going to the little symbol app, but that's a topic for another day. Yeah, 100%. Ty and Eric opened a bank account together. My first joint account is with my co-host. Yeah, don't tell Bae. That's crazy. Oh, man. like you So, Ty, where how are we doing for time here? Do you want to do another round? Do you? I think we got time.
00:21:21
Speaker
358. Yeah, we got time. Okay, let's do it we'll do another round. Sweet. It's perfect timing. The server was just walking by. That's perfect. Just when we ran into topics, another Guinness chose that. Here to fuel us. As soon as we finished talking about the email class plate. Damn, this is really just our lived experience here. We are We are a byproduct of our conversations on this podcast at the end of the day. Like, it's been a long time since we've mentioned Diptyque or Alilabo. We've been struggling. Straight from the core tenants that Think Fresh was built on. We haven't even mentioned Subway sandwiches this episode. Shit, you're right. Damn. This is a podcast about Subway at the end of the day. When was the last time you were there? Was it the time you were feeling hungover? Yeah, it was. Well, actually right before you felt hungover.
00:22:13
Speaker
um Did it make you feel hungry? Maybe that's a better question. But what's the alcohol? I think it's probably the alcohol. The thing is that Subway doesn't have any sustenance to actually soak up or hold anything. It's just it's almost like eating cardboard. It's like kind of non-existent material inside my stomach. It's an apparition, a hallucination of food. I kind of feel that way about Guinness in some way. because like it's low alcohol or if you actually look at it it's like four percent or something dude low alcohol high iron high iron baby and um like in my mind like guinea should be consumed before 4 p.m yeah i agree you know i mean it's exactly four right now which is kind of wild but
00:22:55
Speaker
it's kind of like a lunch beer and it shouldn't really be eaten with food unless the food you're eating is like not real food like oysters like a Guinness and oysters make sense to me but a Guinness and a burger like I think you gotta go lager or IPA 1000% it's just too heavy it's it's good with like a little tiny appy you know it's lunch in a glass exactly now nothing carb-y like maybe like a mango salad and a Guinness you know dude Yes, i'm ah I'm always making mango salad. We all are.
00:23:27
Speaker
shit What's new at Subway, man? Is there anything going on there or is it still the, you know, half-assed restaurant we all know and love? it's Dude, i I have no news. I don't know a single person who's dining there. I don't know what's new on the menu. not like But I think like this is a weird time of year for Subway because I feel like It's a kind of a summer food. Sandwiches are like more like yeah warmer weather. Winter is for bowls and plates. And burgers. And So like I don't think like Q4 is gonna be particularly good for the executive leadership of the way because they're gonna be fudging some numbers to get through it. Yeah, I agree.
00:24:13
Speaker
um Yeah, I don't know. I think burgers are but kind of like a more of a hearty meal if you really think about it. How are we doing, Ty? Great, I'm just making sure my phone's not gonna die. Oh, arere doing we're doing pretty good. 10% battery. Hell yeah, we can keep going. um it's funny Earlier today, we just talked about how our phone is like the best investment we've ever made because it hasn't broken in three years. But now I'm just starting to think that you might need a battery replacement.
00:24:40
Speaker
It's not my fault, dude. I've been running some heavy software today. I watched like a four-hour video about the Saudi Arabian Kingdom. You've been grinding on subway surfers. Exactly. I'm gonna get a PR here. Yeah. Hey, I went to the Canucks game last night. No way. That was kinda cool. And I saw our favorite barista there. I saw he was there too. That's awesome. Dude, I saw him on the Jumbotron. No!
00:25:03
Speaker
Wait, you saw Arboree still on the jumbotron? Dude, I'm not even kidding. So funny. Literally at the end of the game, we're like getting up to leave and then I look up at the screen and he's sitting there like texting but on the jumbotron and I'm like, this fucking guy. I can't wait to see him on Friday. Get ah get a cappuccino and let him know I saw him on the jumbotron. Yo, that's so funny. I've only been in a situation where I saw someone I knew once on the Jumbotron. It was at a Vancouver white cap soccer game. And it was my friend had done some designs for their jerseys. So they featured him and he was like so stoked. Big waves, cheering. I was like losing my shit. So did you when you saw your barista, did you lose your shit or did you play it cool?
00:25:43
Speaker
I played it cool. I didn't want to, you know, it wasn't like seeing the pirate. Like, the pirate was more of a celebrity sighting. Whereas like, just seeing your homeboy, it's like, oh, I'm gonna let him know I saw him. right um But also, last night was Pride Night for the Canucks, which was kind of interesting.
00:26:00
Speaker
And the the Florida Panthers got demolished by the the gay Canucks last night. They're just kind of funny. They swapped their logo to a rainbow-colored logo. Wow, Florida must have hated that. I know, dude. Yeah, can you imagine Florida losing? They'd probably kill themselves after that game. Dude, they're gonna go to war with Canada. Yeah, dude. Governor Trudeau don't like that one. The great state of Canada. The first state of the U.S. But yeah, it was kind of funny. I'm like, imagine losing to a team with a rainbow logo. That's like one night only. It's kind of embarrassing. Big for the gay community. Yeah, huge win. All right. Two new guineas showing up. Thank you so much. Beautiful. Cheers. Thank you. Cheers. Shall we a cheers on Mike here? Clink. that wow Not a very high pitched clink.
00:26:47
Speaker
I mean, look at how much liquid we're holding, time it's true of Ty. Oh, Ty just finished his beer. Okay, when I do the cans of Guinness at home, they're smaller than the pub pints. I can tell you're not used to this level of volume time. Yeah, I'm not. Because when I try to split the G at home, I double it. I hit like the three-quarter mark. so if We really didn't need this. We should have just called it the tab. like The episode's already at 30 minutes. Yeah.
00:27:16
Speaker
But man, the fact that we just got our second Guinness and it's so creamy at the top, the head on this Guinness is just absolutely phenomenal. Yeah, there's something absolutely, I know we talk about it every episode, but there's something beautiful about this beer. Like, it's just, it's so, it's so, it's so observably majestic. The way that it pours, the way that it gradiates, the taste, the lore.
00:27:45
Speaker
I think we should start a Guinness Podcast. I think we should hard pivot here. Hard pivot to a Guinness Podcast. Any name ideas for that? I was thinking Guinness Penis. Gin necessary. By all means, Guinness necessary. Yeah, the bare Guinness essentials. Whoa. Gin... Gin... Ginmanship.
00:28:12
Speaker
here um again Splitting the T and E. Whoa. That's nice. That's pretty good. G-spot. Excuse me. Burp on mic. Dude, that was on my bingo card this year. It's funny because like six months ago this would have been a Budweiser podcast, but like fluids trend more than anything at this point. Remember like the espresso martini era? Yeah, that was only in February.
00:28:43
Speaker
I think we should probably just do a beer podcast or like talk about God forbid mixology No, you can't give mixology more platforms. Hell no, dude. We gotta stop. Hard stop on all mixology, bro. I think it's done. it's so It's so washed. All the best cocktails are like two ingredients. like Why does this field of arts exist? Yeah. At the same time, I'm just like half a grape. I guess like...
00:29:16
Speaker
there's this kind of idea like if you go back into like any like history book or fantasy novel there's a sector called alchemy which is like a legitimate respectable career path at a certain point in humankind's history they're like oh yeah i'm just like an alchemist i just like put like bean actor in this like yeah i make potions exactly and then people are like yeah this is gonna heal me so i mean like I feel like the name modern alchemy is like super NPC for a cocktail bar, but that really is what it is. you know It's the closest we're going to get to like a concoction that will fix you. i mean If you look at it literally, aren't like isn't Big Pharma kind of the new alchemy?
00:30:06
Speaker
Yeah, it is. That'd be crazy. Things are over here in public. it is It is modern alchemy. But the challenge of Big Pharma doesn't have the soul and spirit that the mixologist carries. And I think people look for that kind of fantastical like persona that comes with it, because that's what we see in the story books.
00:30:29
Speaker
It's always like some like weird wizard and like ah a dude in like a leather apron is closer to that than than your dude in the like hygienic white lab coat. Dude the modern alchemist has a twisty mustache and a sleeve tat. He's painted his nails black. What happened to society dude? He's still got plugs. Yeah. God damn it's crazy but at the same time like that makes sense like if you think a imagine like it's 1200 BC and there's a dude making a potion in his like basement he's probably a little freaky looking he's probably got the like the ancient Roman equivalent of sleeve tats and earplugs
00:31:15
Speaker
Yeah, it's high because back then I'm imagining it's like a fringe kind of class of people, right? Yeah. Because 90% of your friends are like still beating rocks. Yes, totally. You're the one guy who's mixing like, I don't know, fucking like seawater and like slime. See what happens.
00:31:33
Speaker
Yeah, they've been using kelp powder a long time. Air1 didn't invent it. Dude, the $40 algae bucket from Air1 was actually inspired by Spongebob. Dude, if cave people found out that Air1 was charging $40 for ice cubes, they could lose their mind. go I heard someone in passing today bring up our boy, the Ice Man,
00:31:59
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No way. Yeah, the ice block provider of Vancouver. You better catch the bright heads up because we have so many new listeners this year. Plus 50%, thanks Spotify Wrap. Yeah, we, I guess our fans of, we haven't talked to or met the guy, but fans of Do we name drop? I don't know his name. is I just know the Instagram handle. What's the handle? Kodama Ice Company. Oh, very good. They provide ice cubes to all the best bars, including like Isotanto and Keeper Bar as well. Yeah, they're just like perfect squares or cubes that are like perfectly see you-through. Yes, they're so clear.
00:32:39
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yeah It was like a whole art form around like providing the best ice cube for a cocktail. Some places like Suyo actually like stamped their logo into it when I had my drink there. Yeah, you can use copper to do that if you have a copper stamp.
00:32:51
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And you don't even heat it up, right? You just kind of press it on. Because it's so conductive. That is crazy. I know. Like that is actually crazy because I saw the stamp kind of sitting there at the bar and then it wasn't all like a hot plate. It was just like kind of sitting there. Like what is going on? Bro, just conduct some ice cube out of it? That's crazy.
00:33:10
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It's beautiful what we can do. Alchemy. oh That's alchemy right there. So this guy like he hand-carves all his cubes. It's kind of like he treats each ice cube with the same ah like hands-on attention to detail that your sandwich artist treats your foot long, you know? Every pickle is delicately placed and every chip in this ice cube is delicately chopped. Yeah, that's true. We gotta get Mr. Kodama on the pod, I think, to provide some, you know, good insight. I'm actually interested in what he thinks about drink fountains. Like good does the ice from a drink fountain, does that ruin or does it make the drink? Because if you have you have a drink without it, it's kind of like, it's weird. Why do I have this much fluid? The auditory experience of the shredded ice is quite interesting in my opinion.
00:34:01
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Yeah, dude. His biggest competition is like a Samsung fridge. ah okay Damn. The democratization of ice cubes. Really fucked with him. But honestly, like, ice cube quality has generally... They're more plentiful, obviously. You can get ice cubes everywhere. Like, every every appliance makes ice cubes now, but... yeahp ah Ice cube quality has gone way downhill. I don't even want ice in most of my drinks at home because...
00:34:27
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It tastes like garbage if a fridge makes it. I long for the hand-carved ice cubes of quesitanto. Yeah, that's the problem with yeah fridges with ice makers because it's just tap water, right? Like it just comes from the... it's plugged into the wall. And it just, I guess, I don't know, freezes tap water. But if you have an ice cube tray, at least you can like put the Brita to work, you know, and fill that with filtered water. Yeah, yeah. And if you go like a little hotter, like boiling water, you can get a lot more clarity in your cubes. Is that how you do it? Yeah. But the fridge doesn't know that.
00:35:00
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Bro, that's crazy. um I also heard that like you have to keep it at kind of like a perfect temperature in order to have it be perfectly clear. And you can't have it be too cold because or also get some frost burn, freezer burn on the edges. Yeah, there's that's a risk. And I gotta i gotta to tweak my freezer a little bit more. I think I'm running too cold right now. My ice dries out. yeah it's like It's like it's toasted.
00:35:27
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I mean, I don't mind that either. I'll still pop an ice cube in my espresso when ah I'm in a rush, and it's a nice little yeah way to freeze, get some get a drinkable temperature right away, you know? It takes the edge off, too. Yeah, it does. I like that for you, Eric. I really don't like the ice cube shape that the modern French makes. It's like yeah the one that's shaped like a little bullet. You know the bullet shape?
00:35:51
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Yeah, those are like the Samsung ones. Yeah, this is all Korean companies make bullet-shaped ice cubes. yeah And I'm not here for it. Whatever they're in my glass, I just can tell, like the water just looks grosser. I don't know what it is. I think you're right. Mine are kind of interesting. Mine are like a bullet, but like cut in half. So cut the long way. Like a foot long. Exactly. like No, the other way of a foot long. Oh wow. it's Like first cut, not second cut. First cut, exactly. Before they add the meat. Yeah, so if you put two of them together it would look like a foot long.
00:36:27
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But yeah, I don't know. they It's not something that I use when I'm crafting a perfect cocktail, you know what I mean? It's more so I need to fill my water bottle with ice kind of vibe. It's nice because I always have it on hand, but if I were to, I don't know, make a nice cocktail for someone, I've seen those like circular ice cube trays, or ice sphere trays, I should say. Yes, the circular ones. Those are kind of cool. I would i would ah mess with those. yeah Or just go to Erewhon directly. Yeah, the circular ones are really like having a moment with the middle class to bring that back right now like I think we finally found the technology to bring that to masses the masses yeah and People haven't hate it with it, you know, every every house party I go to like in a proper house. They're like breaking up the spheres Oh what I got and they put it with a whiskey shot. You have richer friends than I do, that's for sure. i I'm still drinking from a Samsung ice cube tray. It's hard to find a friend who owns a house. They usually inherit it. That's true, yeah. But if the if the house comes with a circular cube tray and i don't know that's a good that's a good upgrade i think they do now they think they come with a circular cube tray and an air fryer go I'm pretty drunk time me too I haven't had lunch in about four hours I think we should cancel this episode before we say something cancellable I think so too unless we should focus all of our efforts on finishing this Guinness and then getting behind the driver's seat
00:37:53
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excellent All right, breadheads, thank you for listening along. We sincerely hope that you were able to hear us over the laughter of joyous, drunk, retired men. Yeah, table four was having a blast today. And I hope that you got something from this episode. Thanks for listening. Ciao. Bye.