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Vol 1 Ch 12: Neb Ruins the Intro
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We have friend of the podcast, photographer, dancer, and cosplayer Rye @Ryebbit on this week's episode! We talk about racism and transphobia in fandom spaces, Asian infantilization in stan culture, and how to avoid creeps while in cosplay.
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Introduction & Patreon Promotion
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey, if you're listening to this right now, we have a fantastic video episode version of this shit up on our Patreon. You can check us out at patreon.com slash fandamespod, and you can see all three, three of our beautiful faces. Bye.
00:00:27
Speaker
Damn. Should we do our show? Yes. I was, well... Do the intro. Because you get mad when I do it. Yeah, because you're not allowed to. I don't do it, right? No, you won't! Damn. I do it the funny way of not doing it. At all. You are just saying what I want. This is not about to become what's poppin' from Brian Wecht himself. This is not about to happen. What do you mean? We're not doing it. No.
00:00:54
Speaker
Don't stare at me like that. Don't look at me like that.
Introducing Hosts & Guests
00:00:57
Speaker
Explain it to me. Break it down. No, I'm going to do the intro. I can't put my wrist down because I have carpal tunnel in this one and a bruised elbow on this one, so I got to like... You got to like prayer hand it. Yes. Amen. Masha'Allah. Do the intro. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ on each show.
00:01:22
Speaker
Welcome back to the Sleepover Podcast. This is Fandames with Parks and Nebula, and the voice you are hearing now is Neb.
00:01:33
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Not you
Main Topics: Asian Fetishization & Media
00:01:34
Speaker
saying, like, we're not doing late at night right now. And then not you saying that intro word for word almost to the exact rhyme and reason of the other. Bitch. I was about to introduce you and be like, the voice you just heard as a joke because you said that and then I realized you hadn't talked yet. And so then I was like. Wow. Damn. Say your fucking name. Wow. Hi, I'm Parks. There you go.
00:02:03
Speaker
I just show Tor parks a new one saying no you can't do the intro cuz you're a fuck it up, but I fucked it up So it's severely you fucked it up severely you fumbled the bag. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks dad. I appreciate it I Guess for the real cut that's the first time we bagged on your death Anyways Stop selling our show on our show
00:02:32
Speaker
We're not sponsored by ourselves.
00:02:36
Speaker
Anyways, on this episode, we're actually going to have a real conversation again because we haven't the last two. That's your problem. Today, we're going to be talking about Asian fetishization, infantilization, and why things like Squid Game are becoming so massively popular despite already having been made for the last 20 years. We have a guest with us. It's going to be Ry, if you'd like to introduce yourself now, you can.
00:03:03
Speaker
I bless you. You're permitted to. You can speak. You just made park spitter water? No, I did not. Hi, I'm Rai, and I am a long time listener, first time caller of
Guest's Background: Ry's Cosplay Journey
00:03:21
Speaker
the podcast. I don't know how to introduce myself. What do you do? Who are you? You already said your name, but...
00:03:30
Speaker
I am technically Park's cousin through marriage, and I do a lot of cosplay, not so much anymore. I mostly help other cosplayers take photos now. I just took photos of these two when Neb came to Utah, and that was a lot of fun. And I am Asian, so I am the voice of Asian representation on this podcast today.
00:04:00
Speaker
At least for two hours you are. At least for two hours, yes. You just completely like missed half of what you actually did. You know, in the moment I forgot that I literally did anything. This is what I meant when I said that I am so nervous about talking. I wanted to give you a chance. Thank you. We're gonna gas you up now. We're gonna gas you up.
00:04:26
Speaker
I is a longtime K-pop dancer, I'm a member of Black Moon Crew, which is a Utah local K-pop group. They're also a part of several collabs with other Utah groups. They're a performer at an October evening that is going to be a live stream event that has already passed by the time of several roles, but they are a part of that. They were a part of a Stop Asian Hate charity for Utah. That's a bunch of Salt Lake K-pop dude grants.
00:04:50
Speaker
groups put on together as a live stream. And I think they made about $500 or more from that. I don't remember the exact amount is if you know, correct me. It was something like that. But it was a lot for what was put in. So you've done plenty of shit through dancing, you've performed a fan ex in both two different performances, both as KDA and as BMK, which you killed both. You've done plenty of shit. And
00:05:19
Speaker
your Japanese cosplayer, your genderfluid, or your non-binary son, not genderfluid. Sorry, that's... You're confusing us. That one's mean. I literally forgot all of those in the moment, but thank you for compiling all of those things. Well, we kind of need to know the non-binary Asian part because that's a part of what we're going to talk about. Yeah, my pronouns are they them. I am a K-pop enthusiast.
00:05:49
Speaker
Yeah, I like cosplaying, I like clowns, I like pink. And cowboys. Those are my credentials. You're a model. And cowboys. You did a really cool clown shoot a while
Fetishization in Asian Culture & Media
00:06:00
Speaker
ago. I liked that. That was on your Instagram. That was probably my peak moment. It for real was. It was beautiful. The clown cowboy photo shoot. Yeah. Can we make that your guest photo for our Instagram? Oh.
00:06:17
Speaker
Oh, 100%. Yeah, okay. I'm more than okay with that. Sorry, I'm getting a text from my cousin asking if I wanted to dare tolerate going to my aunt's house. Sorry. The answer's no. Anyways, back to what we were talking about. Sorry. So...
00:06:38
Speaker
Yes, as I was saying, we're going to talk about fetishization, infantilization, and why people should probably stop, assuming that everything that is put out from Asian culture is not immediately effeminate or something to look down upon. That being our lead-in was something I mentioned last week. I believe I told you this right when it happened, but the Japanese Nazi maid cafe? Oh my god, yeah.
00:07:09
Speaker
I don't even have words. That's like so... Very Italian. Oh, it's very Italian. But the main problem with that that we're bringing up now is not the fact that they did it, but it's more like most of the people in the comments were just white people who were like, they don't know. Like defending. They didn't know. Yeah. It's bad. And you see it almost in...
00:07:36
Speaker
Every, I guess, like Asian based community, like when people like fetishize Asians, like you see that in K-pop a lot too. Like, I hate talking about this because it kind of makes me sad. But you know Espa. Yeah.
00:07:52
Speaker
next level. Recently one of the members of ESPA, there was like a video of her on the actual official SM channel like mouthing the n-word when she was singing a song and like
00:08:09
Speaker
You would not believe how many people in those kinds of situations would be like, it's not in Korean culture, they don't know, they don't know. It's like 2021. If it were any other person, and if they weren't Asian, you would be canceled immediately, stuff like that. People need to be able to hold their idols accountable more, especially in K-pop culture and Asian culture. You see a massively huge difference in that.
00:08:38
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I feel like it's also a thing specifically, not to drag the BTS community, I'm sorry. But they constantly see these grown ass men as like...
00:08:49
Speaker
babies. If I see another chibi, like pajama, like Jimin, I'm gonna flip the fuck out. Why are you drawing this grown man like a baby? Come on. It's like this 27 year old guy who has literal military experience. They're like, oh, he's just a sweet little angel baby. He doesn't even know what a kiss is.
00:09:08
Speaker
He's older than you. He's twice your age. That's a part of their contract is that they're not supposed to know. Baby, have you seen any of the choreography? They are humping that fucking ground. They know what's going on. And I honestly, I know that BTS is like a big perpetrator of it now, but you and I are the same age, right?
00:09:32
Speaker
You're 24? Yeah. Okay, so do you remember when, like, SHINee took over for a minute? And everybody acted the same way that BTS fans do. It's just that they didn't post it to Twitter, because it wasn't cool to post our cape up on Twitter yet. And it was the exact same shit.
00:09:52
Speaker
Yeah, it feels like an endless cycle for real. Like even now, like ever since BTS got huge, even with like stray kids sort of being like the come up boy group after BTS, I see that all the time in comments. And like even worse than like fetishization and like infantilization is like when they start shipping each other within the group. And like these are real people who are like older than you. And I'll see comments on like Instagram of
00:10:22
Speaker
posts of these of like two guys interacting within this group and I'll see comments saying like Hyunjin and Felix don't interact the way they used to anymore like do they not love each other anymore? And it's just like really weird like you don't you don't know what their interactions are like in real life Why are you calling them like Jinny Hyunjin? Like stuff like that when like even in I don't know the One Direction fandom you wouldn't call zane like zany or I don't know like stuff like that
00:10:52
Speaker
I don't know. What were they called? Directioners? No, no, no. The Larry Shippers? Yes, them. My friend wrote Larry fan fiction. Oh my god. And Five Saws fan fiction. But we were in middle school. I did not participate in that shit because I thought shipping real people is fucking weird. It's weird in any context, but it's like,
00:11:18
Speaker
I feel like a lot of the time, specifically when it's done in K-pop, it's, you know how sorry colonizers listening to this podcast, you know how like military men will go find like timid like submissive wives in Asian countries and then bring them home?
00:11:35
Speaker
It feels like this perpetrating that trope where it's like one of them is always gonna be like Timid and breedable and like submissive and a little baby these little baby You know and then like his big like why are you making these tropes onto real people first of all? That's weird if someone was drawing like a persona of me where I'm like a little breedable, baby That's not that's no
00:12:00
Speaker
What are you doing? This obviously surpasses because this is really common in music communities, this is really common in YouTube communities especially. That part in itself, the shipping thing is pretty universal, but you don't ever see it like the weird mistreatment of Japanese or Korean people. It's very much like
00:12:27
Speaker
Do you guys remember killing stalking? I don't think it would have gotten the reaction that it did if people didn't have those kinds of like tropes put onto like Asian gay men already. When obviously like to people who were reading it who
00:12:53
Speaker
lived in Korea, they were like, this is obviously a psychological thriller, like you're not supposed to root for these two. And then you see like a bunch of teenagers saying like, oh my gosh, Sangwoo is like, you know, it's such a top or whatever, you know, like very that. And were you there when I reread Killing Stalking in the year 2020?
00:13:15
Speaker
And I was so upset by the ending, not because it was like upsetting. It was just the most ridiculous shit. Yeah. Yeah. Now, do you know the ending to Killing Stalking? All I know is that it was like about Asian characters. I don't remember the like the premise. OK.
00:13:35
Speaker
We had to cut this part out because it is very graphic. And teenagers ate this shit the fuck up. It is the worst written thing of all time. And they ate it the fuck up. They're like, he wanted to be with him at death. Like, bro, he's got ashes up his asshole. What you talking about? What are you? What are we talking about? So yeah, that whole thing really, really, really perpetrated like, infantilization of like, especially like,
00:14:02
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Neurodivergent Asian men who were effeminate because the entire time Yumbum's in a skirt because he can't sit because he got fucked in the ass. That's the plot point. He has to wear a skirt because his asshole hurts. That's not pants work, but okay. Sure. It's not good. It's not well written.
00:14:23
Speaker
Wow, I'm so glad I never read that. But it came out at a wrong time because that came out like initially when all of us are like my people my age were teenagers and teenagers loved edgy horror and they loved any excuse to see porn. Well, that came out in like what, 2013, 2014? 2016?
00:14:44
Speaker
It also came off the coattails of Yura on Ice. Yeah, it was very off the coattails. They were waiting to eat up. Yeah. Another gay love story. Yeah. So they were they were waiting for anything to latch onto. So that's when it became super vague.
00:15:05
Speaker
Not worth reading. No. No. It's a waste of time. And back then when it came out, the reason I never finished it was because they made you pay per issue when you were reading it on the app. Fuck that. I will export it five years down the line. Amen. It sucks. It really sucks. But it came off of like people who didn't know what like.
00:15:26
Speaker
Yuri on Ice was very, very good representation. And it wasn't baity at all. It was very straightforward. But it accidentally started something in fujoshis. Because they saw this. They were like, I love when gay men kiss. So they started eating up every single scenario of Asian men being around each other. And that, unfortunately, was killing, stalking is it. But there was a submissive little breedable, effeminate Asian man. So of course, we got a...
00:15:56
Speaker
pick it up, make it a thing, make it happen. And it's gross. It's really fucking gross. I hate that. I hate that very much. Hey, do you know what sucks is like the same, not same, a similar concept has happened with like white girls fetishizing like creepy white guys right now with the you TV show. And I'm so over. I'm so over it. I love the show season three is bad.
00:16:25
Speaker
There's nothing wrong with enjoying the show because you know it's fiction. Yes, but there's a very much romanticizing like Ted Bundy. It's like giving every time a white woman says she thinks Ted Bundy's hot when I die.
00:16:40
Speaker
God, dude. He's not hot. You just zacked Efron. Anybody who says anything other than Richard Ramirez looks fucking insane. If you say anything beyond that, I want you to just go sit in a corner for 20 years. Think about what you said down. I can't handle it. I watched the documentary on Netflix and towards the end, the guy that fucking caught him
00:17:07
Speaker
talks about the disgusting amount of letters and nude pics that came in the prison mail from women for Richard Ramirez. So it's like these people have always existed, but now you just have this gross internet avenue that you can dump all of your horrible fetishizing thoughts into and just like ruin everybody's day nationwide, worldwide. Go for it, I guess. I hate that.
00:17:33
Speaker
Yeah, it's gross. And it's just this weird, I don't want to say it's white women specifically, but I mean, it kind of is. And unfortunately, that whole thing kind of bred from like women being shunned for having interests to begin with.
00:17:46
Speaker
And that's whatever, that's a whole issue in itself of all women just, how dare you fucking like something. It's funny to rag on what women enjoy, blah, blah, blah. Anytime the dudes who make TikToks, where it's like me making them females iced coffee, and I don't wanna say female, and it's just like over, you know the guys who waste food because they're like female.
Fetishization & Harassment in Cosplay
00:18:07
Speaker
Blah, blah, blah. I hate I hate treatment humor. You're dumb as fuck But it's it was always funny to rag on what women hate and so it's just kind of bread this like fine then we'll just go Isolate what we enjoy and it bred into Extreme serial killer weird shit because we don't know how to consume media like normal people because we're shamed for it well and also like the added disgusting racism that this country breeds that now it's like this a
00:18:32
Speaker
interesting quirky thing to be into a guy that isn't white when it's like that's not how that works that's disgusting actually yeah you're not mysterious for dating a black man i'm sorry you're that's normal buddy you're not this isn't the effect you're going for i don't know this is this is not what you think being an ally is like no and a lot of people just use allies a lot they're like
00:18:58
Speaker
I'm cool with it, so I'm an ally. No, you're not. Right. What were you going to say? Think about what you just said. Well, I also want to make it super clear to anyone who would be listening that
00:19:12
Speaker
Just because you like K-pop, it does not mean like, yeah, you're bad for liking K-pop. And like, I want to make it clear that like, liking, if you're a female and you like K-pop or you like killing stockings or this and that, like it does not make you a bad person. It's not like a bad thing. There does come a time where if you start fetishizing certain men,
00:19:36
Speaker
whether it be Asian or gay, that's when it becomes a problem. But merely liking something like you shouldn't be. Like.
00:19:44
Speaker
shunned for that. No, never. And that's on having media fucking literacy. God damn. Because if you- Go touch grass. Go touch grass. Go touch grass. But there's also a problem, and I know you dealt with this firsthand back when you were more, I don't want to say feminine leaning than you are now, but back when you were female presenting- No, you can say that. I know. Especially in the cosplay community,
00:20:08
Speaker
you receive far more shit than i do personally because you're a small asian person yeah and like honest this this is gonna
00:20:22
Speaker
I don't know how to put this, but that's part of the reason why I cut my hair last is because I was so sick of men perceiving me as this submissive, female, small Asian girl that I was like, I need to make it crystal clear to every man around me that I am a they-them lesbian. How do I make it clear on site? So I cut my hair and dyed it green.
00:20:50
Speaker
moment time but um yeah you kind of like i'm i'll say that i'm really lucky in the fact that i don't that i don't experience like overt racism a lot like other people that i know who are Asian are like if they get like hate crimes or like being told to go back to their country like i haven't seen that a lot but i do
00:21:12
Speaker
experience fetishization to the point where it gets very uncomfortable just interacting with any stranger who's a man. And you know what? That's just my ground to walk on. It's fine. That's my shit to deal with. Especially being an anime cosplayer, you have the people who will kiss your feet for it because they're like, oh my god.
00:21:45
Speaker
It's also you have this weird intersection. I don't know if this is very common in Utah, but it's stupid common here that like there's the intersection of on one side you have these people that
00:21:59
Speaker
come on my little pony things in jars and are like, I would date anything that's Asian that walks and breathes. And then you have the other end of it, which is military guys who, oh, well, my grandpa married a Japanese woman in World War II. So I'm going to go to Korea and get myself a wife. And it's like a generational thing.
00:22:20
Speaker
And it's like, it's like 100%. Okay, 100%. It's like, luckily, I'm, I'm half Japanese. So luckily is not that way with my parents. Like, you know, they're like here the stereotype of like,
00:22:36
Speaker
half-white people with white dads and like colonize their moms because like they fetishize them. No, my dad's Asian and my mom is very chill so but I see that a lot with other people and there are so many like here in Utah you have Mormon missionaries and
00:22:55
Speaker
It will be like at least once a year, some random white guy will come up to me and like start speaking Japanese to me and he'll be like, oh, I did my mission in Japan. I'm like, I don't know Japanese guy. Like, why are you coming up to me right now? Like one time I was like wearing a shirt with Japanese on it and it said like, I don't care.
00:23:14
Speaker
and he like grabbed me and he was like let me read your shirt i went on a mission in japan i was like let go me like what the fuck are you doing that's when you that's a hate crime right there yeah that's assault like he fucking grabbed you that's assault yeah i was like okay so that that happens a lot being told like
00:23:36
Speaker
just straight up guys will have yellow fever. They'll say like, oh, like you're very cute. I have yellow fever. Why would you say that to me? They're forthcoming about it. I feel uncomfortable. Yeah, like just like straightforwardly. That's not the move you think it is moving. Like I have yellow fever. It's like a power move. It's not the move. And okay, thank you for the red flag. What am I supposed to say to that? Yeah, I like just didn't know what to say after that. I was like, okay.
00:24:06
Speaker
Bye. So that happened quite a lot. But since the pandemic, I haven't gone outside. And that has helped immensely. Thank you. I think I'll just do that forever. And now you cost me $8, so it's fine. True.
00:24:22
Speaker
It really sucks that like you have the experience of reacting to these moments because whenever I visited y'all and we did a power girl and supergirl shoot and you were the photographer for that like we were walking downtown and several like more people than I have ever encountered in my life taking notice of me in the span of 15 minutes.
00:24:43
Speaker
because my ass was hanging out. You get used to it. Ry, you knew in an instant how to respond to these people, and you were the first one to say anything that was very, what's the word?
00:24:59
Speaker
Stern without being like aggressive you were very like they're working Please don't interrupt them. They're doing their job. They're working and meanwhile parks is like, can you not fucking record? But it just kind of sucks that like in that interaction alone you can tell so much about how other people perceive you and
00:25:20
Speaker
not only as a non-binary individual and there's that whole level of fetishization, but on your racial identity that like, motherfuckers, can you look the other direction please? Please do not perceive. But yeah, I like really want to try hard whenever I take photos now to like protect whoever I'm taking photos of.
00:25:45
Speaker
a lot of the times i'll be like out of it and i'll feel bad afterwards because like one time someone just like grabbed parker the one the misa is yeah that's i was i was so pissed like i i was like zona at that point i was like ready to like take a look at the photos we just took and someone just like grabbed her while we were walking and she was just like don't touch me and i was like livid because when you're a cosplayer i think like that's like that's why i like
00:26:12
Speaker
just have to start thinking of things to say to people when they're like bothering cosplayers. It's because like when you're a cosplayer, let alone being like a female looking Asian, let alone being in cosplay, you feel like a lot more vulnerable and you like don't know what to say, or you want to be nice. And so like, I think it just takes a lot of practice after going through that. And then also being on the side of like, being a photographer slash bodyguard slash, you know, in normal clothes.
00:26:42
Speaker
You were able to feel less vulnerable in that situation. Sorry, hold on real quick. I do not blame you for me getting assaulted by the way. I know you were out of it. I do not hold you responsible for anything that occurred there. I was just as in shock as both of us were in shock. I did not give a fuck. I just, and then both of us quietly walked to our cars and just kind of
00:27:07
Speaker
And that was it. We were both like sitting in the parking lot on our phones like, what the fuck? Oh my God. I just got assaulted at Dunkin Donuts, Maddie. And then we put on our Luna in our own cars and drove away. So, yeah. And that's how you cope. It sucks. That's what you were saying? Because this was your first time experiencing this whole like.
00:27:30
Speaker
Yes, well because the serious thing out of the way is it's important that we have you on to talk about your experiences like this because there are like 17 million layers on top of your hobbies and your identity that culminate in disgusting people and how to avoid them. And it's just something that like I didn't think about
00:27:55
Speaker
you guys having to deal with when you go to your photo shoots because all the photo shoots I've been on people are just like that's weird and look away and don't really fuck with me but I also go to a forest or a rooftop and don't deal with people so it's just it's nice to have perspective but it's also it makes me want to beat somebody up so you're all your experience the issue has a problem with us specifically and I think this namely came because I feel like
00:28:24
Speaker
both like Rai and myself have been very defensive of one another. Like ever since we've met, really, because we, I mean, the con we met was a very, very small one. It was not a big deal. But when it came to like larger fanics and you were wearing Ari, dudes were all over you. And I was in a tiny baby costume. It didn't matter what I did, but dudes were all over you in the nastiest fucking way. I had Connor with me. Like it was good. We had a fucking wall around you because at that point it's like, I know what it's like to be shit talked and in a revealing costume. And it's like,
00:28:55
Speaker
Unfortunately, it's not like what you wear is putting you at fault, but in the cosplay community. And when you go to conventions, you know who's there. And so it's like, I want to wear this, but I also know the consequence is going to come with it. Not to say you're a fault for the consequence, but it's like if you don't have a handler, you are
00:29:11
Speaker
fucked at a convention like that. And it's sad that we both have to be used to this. It's sad that we have to be professional. Like I wish I could go, like when I'm wearing Supergirl, if I could go talk to kids. It's fun. I like doing that. I like when kids, my friend Johnny has a picture of me and Ry and Zoe and Maddie from like three years ago when we cosplayed at gaming con of his kid. And I got to hang out with that kid like two weeks ago.
00:29:35
Speaker
because he recognized me from that costume when we started talking as friends. So it's like that's a good it's really rewarding. But when we're there, we have to be in work mode because seriously, every shoot we do, the best locations, unfortunately, are always going to be busy places. It's not avoidable. It's I mean, we've done some of the forest, but with me, so we shot up in the woods for like 20 minutes and then we immediately went to a chapel where I got harassed a little bit. And then we went to a cafe where I mean, I got complimented.
00:30:04
Speaker
And then I got assaulted. You know, it's like, if we, we know what we're going into when we start, we know what this hobby does, unfortunately. And that's not to say that
Dealing with Harassment in Cosplay
00:30:14
Speaker
like baby cosplayers have to know everything. But when we come from the era of cosplay that we did, it was really, really, really prevalent that this fucked up shit happened. And so it's like, since we were fucking teenagers, we've had to prepare for the worst because guys would pick us up or try and hug us or
00:30:31
Speaker
all this shit that just they didn't have they didn't fathom they didn't no one gets it unless you're in the shoes of doing it and like that's not to say that like you don't know shit no one know shit but it's like it's hard and if you don't have people who also get it you're not gonna know how to protect yourself best and how to feel comfortable and that's not to say that like you can only cosplay if you're comfortable because like you can do photo shoots about it but when it comes to con culture if you don't know the convention that you're going to well and
00:31:00
Speaker
if you don't know where you're doing a photo shoot at, you don't know what risk comes with it. And that's not to say like, I'm really, really trying hard not to enforce victim blaming. But when it comes to like a hobby like that, it's really intense. And a lot of people don't understand, especially I mean, as we move every year into this, people are getting more and more knowledgeable of it. People companies are paying cosplayers promote their brands, it's more
00:31:25
Speaker
well-known. But there's still people who don't get it. There's still people that don't understand that this is a job at the same time. I make money cosplaying sometimes. I have people sponsor me. Riot has been sponsored by fucking noodles and co. Like, we're paid to do this. That's our job. And so it's like, please have respect for us. Yeah. And I think a lot of it is also people, my cord, people haven't
00:31:49
Speaker
I say people, a lot of younger men have not been properly informed or had the means to understand the experience of other cosplayers or other congoers or anybody in their fandom circle in general because either A, they grew up not thinking that that's a thing you have to do, or B, no one told them no when they made someone uncomfortable.
00:32:18
Speaker
And I truly, truly, truly need everyone to know that the adage of the road to hell is paved by good intentions is very, very true.
00:32:27
Speaker
even if you're trying to pay a compliment, it doesn't come off that way. Even if you're trying to be nice and you want to say, hey, can I get a photo? And you put your arm around their waist without asking, doesn't matter that you asked for permission for the photo, you just fucking touched them. Like you just violated their personal space even worse. Like there's so many things there that you have to think about that AFAB individuals, that people who identify as women, like they have to think about constantly.
00:32:54
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that you might not have. So speaking directly to the listeners and anyone who maybe hadn't told you that or you weren't aware, just learn. Don't touch people. I get this even without physical touch. I get this all the time on my Instagram and I try to be nice to every person that messages me if I know the intention as well. I don't come out swinging out the fucking gate unless I need to. But I'll have people who message me and they're like,
00:33:19
Speaker
talking to me about their day, and that's fine. But then they'll get into it. It's just like, I just feel lonely. Like, I'm glad I have someone like you to talk to. I wish more girls talk to me like you're so it's, I get your intent is good. But there's a level there of like, I'm
00:33:35
Speaker
Just because you follow my page doesn't mean that we're friends. And it's not like that I don't want to be anyone's friend, but there's still, this is my job. And it's obviously when cosplayers, other people who see cosplayers as a spectator sport almost, like they're just watching everything, they don't get what goes into it. They see my costume for five seconds on their Instagram feed and that's it. They don't
Challenges of Creator-Fan Boundaries
00:34:01
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know that I spent like,
00:34:02
Speaker
20 hours sewing all of my Dorothea stuff and crying into a fucking pit. They don't know what went into it. And that goes for almost every cosplayer, male or female, or non-binary or whatever. Whatever.
00:34:13
Speaker
whoever is doing it, even fucking animals, they don't know what happens. They're like, ha ha, cute dog. I don't, ah, they don't get it. And so it's just like this weird kind of development and it's like, especially, hold on, sorry, I know I'm rambling, rambling a lot, but it's like people who were never like a part of like artist communities, they don't get it. It's like people try and see it and they think that because like you're a person posting your shit,
00:34:38
Speaker
that, like, if you make a comment on your caption where it's like a question asking you how their day is, that's fine. You asked it. Tell me how your day is. But don't come into my DMs like, my mom is being the bitch. Like, I hate her. Like, oh, my God. Slow down. I don't owe you my friendship. I don't.
00:34:58
Speaker
owe you my friendship because you support my content. And that's fine if you want to. That's fine. I'm not gonna be petty and say that numbers don't matter. They do. And I appreciate everyone who does support me. But
00:35:13
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Being a content creator is hard, even if my small scale, because people don't hold you like you're a person anymore. You're like an object to them. And that's why it's like, we gotta support each other because people are always gonna see us as objects if we don't start treating ourselves more with respect.
00:35:31
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in the field, not to say that we all hate each other, we're all depressed, and we all have little self-esteem, but if we don't put our foot forward and say we are working, people will not establish that in their brain, that this is our job. This is what we do to feed ourselves, to afford to further our hobby, to afford positions at conventions, doing panels and table booths. This is how we fucking live. And so, it's my favorite that Rice says that to people.
00:36:00
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Yes. Ry, I have a question for you. Hell yeah. On that scale. So like, Parks obviously is AFAB and identifies as a woman. I am AFAB but do not. I identify as genderfluid and you are non-binary, they them beautiful creature that I love very much. And I am curious if you have had
00:36:21
Speaker
like a similar experience that Parks has with people that reach out to you in DMs or treat you like a friend, but on the infantilization side, like more of your race in addition to your gender and what they perceive you at, like they perceive you as feminine. Do you think that you might have had a slightly different experience in that realm of people trying to be like, oh, you're my best friend or, oh, you're just a sweet little thing and I just wanna talk to you. Like I'm curious to hear your experience.
00:36:49
Speaker
Um, I used to get that a lot when I cosplayed more so I would have people like
00:36:56
Speaker
DM me asking for fan signs and info dumping me all of their life story and stuff like that. Less so on a scale of Asian infantilization. However, I would get that a lot more in real life. So if I met new coworkers, they'd see that I'm Asian and I have dyed hair. They'd come up to me, the first thing they'd say to me is, do you watch anime?
00:37:23
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Like, or especially when Parker was talking about how at like conventions, people who maybe aren't, you know, experienced with socializing as much if you're younger, and you go to a convention for the first time.
00:37:43
Speaker
Me, me as a teenager. But you go to a convention for the first time and you're starting to socialize with a lot more people and you're connecting with more people who share your similar interests. A lot of the times, the first time you see a really good cosplayer, you only see them as that character. Parker was saying as more of an object than a person.
00:38:06
Speaker
And I feel like that's happened like a lot with me when I would go to conventions, is that they would only perceive me as that character, especially if I cosplayed from an anime or from like League of Legends or something like that. If I'm cosplaying an Asian girl, they like... They were the real ones. Would basically, yeah, they would basically only treat me like as that character and you can kind of like see that happening more and more once you get used to it. And so
00:38:37
Speaker
Yeah, I've tried to cosplay less and less ever since that happened more and more. Do you remember when we were sitting at my booth and this dude came up and was talking to us for 10 straight fucking minutes and he started trauma dumping on me?
00:38:54
Speaker
What? Yeah. Yeah. He was like telling me about like how he's having the worst convention and like he feels so bad that he's even there. But then he would like sprinkle in like, you should cosplay like Decker from Lucifer. Anyway, back to my trauma. It's like, what? Please go away. Please. That happens a lot. Yeah. Like with cosplayers.
Racial Stereotypes & Public Perception
00:39:14
Speaker
i think again it's because like sometimes if you're in like more nerd spaces and you're young you like the only way that you know how to socialize is like through anime or something like that and so you start to talk to people who share your similar interests online and then immediately think that they're your best friends or they're like this character and like going back to like the asian fetishization thing i'll see that happen a lot with like comparing like k-pop members to like characters in anime and it's just like
00:39:45
Speaker
It's not inherently bad to think that a person inherently has traits from a character in an anime, but it's a little fishy if you only say that about Asian guys and comparing them to not real characters from TV shows. Yeah, for sure. I see that a lot. When we cosplayed KDA together and you were Ari and I was a collie, people weren't doing that to me. They were doing it to you.
00:40:11
Speaker
I'm the white girl cosplaying the Asian, which I mean, that's fine. I wasn't Asian fishing. I was good. I was great. Good. But you were being a dressing character and I wasn't. Which is funny because Ari's Korean, not Japanese.
00:40:26
Speaker
But you don't know, you just see Asian. Bro, these are white boys. They don't know shit. They just see Asian and all they think is Asian. They don't understand that other countries exist. But they don't even also know that Southeast Asians fall under the umbrella and that they don't know about. Ayo bro, we got brown Asians. It's not just the three. We got more of them. The Pacific Islander. The Philippines especially, Thailand.
00:40:53
Speaker
I have a friend who is Malaysian. So he is Asian and he is very, very dark skinned and looks more Indian than he does Malaysian because of his bone structure. And like the amount of confused white people anytime that I'm with my friend, he's now engaged to one of my good friends.
00:41:14
Speaker
And like any time we're all in a group together and there's all these white girls surrounding this very tall like six foot three Malaysian man, any white guy in the vicinity is just calculus appears above his head. Like he's trying to figure it out. He's trying to piece it together because everyone's racist as shit here. He's like, yeah, dude. Oh, no. Other people exist. Get over it. Well, it's like that's also another part of like that whole fetishization is that it's just like
00:41:39
Speaker
the people who do it have such a bubble around what they think is asian and so it's just like if you're not chinese, japanese, or korean you're not asian in their eyes which is asia is a big continent homies um we got a lot of asians in there there's not just those three i mean asia uh china's huge all right but um people from the philippines people from thailand anyone anyone would like to have a conversation because it's like
00:42:10
Speaker
Come on. This kind of also ties in a little bit, but there's been a problem, specifically with TikTok, where indigenous people are being told they're white passing because they're white, but they're also indigenous because people don't have a tell between race and ethnicity. Their ethnicity is white, but they are indigenous.
00:42:35
Speaker
You know? And so it's just like, it's the same people who look at it with such a shallow like mindset. Or are people who try to call black people who are not African, like African Americans. Like I'm, no, you can't, or people who use Latinx, like, no. It's this whole thing of trying to umbrella term so much, but excluding so much at the same time. And so it's like people try to do that with Asians and they try to cut out half of Asia, like,
00:43:05
Speaker
It's ridiculous, and it's probably because they're not small, effeminate, submissive people, and that's in quotes of what they believe they think Asian people are, what their culture is, and it's exceptionally fucked up.
00:43:19
Speaker
That's my point. It's fucked up how quick people look at things within like a narrow minded point of view because they want their full perspective at all times and they want to silence marginalized groups because they believe that's helping fix their oppression in some way. Like, I don't know. Let me know if that made no sense at all. But it's like, they're trying to, I guess,
00:43:46
Speaker
their minds of like this weird racist shit that they've already established they believe that like being marginalized is the bad part not the fact that they're oppressed it's the fact that they are a minority group they're like we can't have that shit cut it out absorb into like a larger group but we don't we don't
00:44:05
Speaker
That's my point. And people try to do it with Asians a lot, like Asian countries specifically. They're like, everything, it's all here. And then they cut half of it around. That's my, I don't know. I'm ranting, I'm rambling. I'm saying fucking random shit. It's just-
00:44:23
Speaker
Black, brown, white, and Asian are not dirty words. No, they're not. They're descriptors. Latino is not a dirty word. It's not. It's fine. Everybody comes from different corners of the world. And if you have a problem with the fact that people exist in different landmass than you do, then that's your issue. Yeah. That's, that's, that's, thank you. Good CLDR. Because yeah, it's a thing. And like,
00:44:51
Speaker
I don't know if people know this, but I don't see you fetishizing Nepalese people. They're also Asian, but you're not fetishizing them. Oh my god, you guys, when I was in high school, I had the coolest- Are you about to tell me you had Nepalese Frank yet fetishized? No, coolest manager who was Nepalese and he wore these really expensive leather pointed shoes and bright red slacks and a bedazzled necklace. He was the coolest motherfucker around and everybody wanted to know.
00:45:20
Speaker
He was genuinely very cool. He was very nice. He was always very stylish. And everybody wanted to be him in the restaurant. But all the patrons were like, get this motherfucker out of here because he's not white. And everyone wanted to fight all the patrons that came in like that. Perfect. Perfect. I would fight for him. But I do think...
00:45:42
Speaker
From what both of you guys were saying, I think it just comes from preconceived biases that a lot of people don't even subconsciously realize.
00:45:54
Speaker
If you're only picturing small, submissive, Japanese, Chinese, or Korean people when you hear the word Asian, maybe reflect on that. Think about why. Yeah, why aren't you thinking of Nepalese people when you're thinking of the word Asian? Think about your preconceived biases that have something to do with that, if that's what's happening. I think our number one thing is blaming the military.
00:46:21
Speaker
That's exactly what I was going to say. Let's go. It's colonization, bro. That is my favorite pastime. Well, during our whole conversation, I was also thinking of like, I'm a J.R.O.T.C kid. And anyway, one of the big things that we did in school was that we would watch like war movies as part of like
00:46:45
Speaker
end of finals week we'd watch a war movie, you know. Some of them are like genuinely good and informative because they were a lot older, like Tora, Tora, Tora is pretty accurate to both how the Americans fucked up and how the Japanese fucked up during World War II. Like it's very informative. But then there's shit like at the end of the day whenever all the seniors would want to be like, oh well we can't show you in class but you should really go watch Full Metal Jacket.
00:47:12
Speaker
And the whole disgusting joke and stereotype of like me love you long time is from that movie that I grew up hearing and not knowing what it was or what it meant. And then the second that you see this movie, you're like, oh, it's, it's, it's hand in hand with this gross.
00:47:32
Speaker
infantilization of Asian men, largely by Western women, and then this hyper-feminization and hyper-sexualization of Asian women by Western men. And it's like, oh, you're sexy while we're fucking. And then the second that it's over with, I want to marry you, and you're only going to be a submissive mom. Chadwife. God forbid someone
00:47:57
Speaker
genuinely whips out the term tiger mom. Some white guy whips out the term tiger mom. I forgot that was a term. I was actually talking, so a friend of mine and Ryze, I was talking to them earlier about this. Hold on. I just got the worst urge to take a piss. Can we pause for two seconds while I go take a piss? I'm so sorry. You're fine. Let me mark the time. Take down this time. It's understandable.
Trans Representation & Inclusivity
00:48:19
Speaker
One second. I've had so much water.
00:48:21
Speaker
Oh my god, there she goes. There she goes. Sorry, it's boxed in my hallway. Oh no. Ryeth, at any point we say something that you're like, actually incorrect. You are, please stop us.
00:48:37
Speaker
No, you guys have been making like banger point after banger point the whole time. Totally, totally good. It's another thing I consciously think of is like, I don't want to ever speak over someone of a different group because like, yeah, I'm not a straight white guy either, but I am white and I don't want to speak over other people that have had different experiences and perpetuate that cycle.
00:49:05
Speaker
Nah, you guys have been doing good. And it's your, it's your guys' podcast, like speak whenever you guys want to. Bro, we brought you on for a reason. I told you I was nervous. Hey, question for you. Do you use the title mix like MX period? Okay, cool. Yeah, I mean, I would like to if people
00:49:29
Speaker
use like an indicator for me so yes. Okay I have a habit of like referring like if someone does something weird like if Park says something stupid I'll go ma'am and so I wanted to think of something that I could say yeah mix mx.
00:49:46
Speaker
mix friendo I also go by like I'm I go by more like masculine like indicators and joking manners you know so you could say sir or like go off King cool stuff like that I will remember this
00:50:05
Speaker
I work closely with a university and we're like doing a lot of data stuff because we're moving from one database to another. That's all I can say legally. But a lot of that involves choosing what we like write out all of the like the letters for and how we do all like the addressing and stuff. And there's been a whole team of people who are like, yeah, OK, so we have a gender neutral and we have pronouns and we're adding mix.
00:50:35
Speaker
and it's a non-negotiable. And it's like 40 people in one call that are like, yep, moving on. And it's, I'm sorry, Oklahoma, you're deciding to do that? I love that so much. Like, I love it when big companies are like, hey, yo, what are your pronouns? I'm like, thank you for even asking. Oh my god. Thank you for considering me.
00:50:57
Speaker
I will say working in data, dealing with anyone who is trans is very difficult to note down everything correctly because you want to get it right so you're respectful, but you're also like, I have to send you tax documents and I don't know how to do that so you don't get audited. I know. You're like, what's more important, tax evasion or misgendering? When I worked in student loans, I would have to call people and I would have to ask them the name on file.
00:51:26
Speaker
And I would feel so fucking bad dead naming people, but I would have to make them verify their name before I could tell them a damn fucking thing they called. So they would call me and I'd ask them for their name. And I'm like, I don't have that on file. Do you have a social security number? I can look the account up on. So they give it to me.
00:51:44
Speaker
Then I'd have to verify their names. We'd be like a dead still I would feel terrible and I would mark down preferred name, but I can't verify off of preferred name I have to verify dead names. And so I was sitting here like I'm sorry Yeah, I made someone cry on the phone and I felt terrible and then I quit I I've also run out only are they getting called about their loans, but also getting dead names
00:52:13
Speaker
I have run into an instance where I knew someone from my classes, because I graduated from the university I work with, or work close to, I should say. I don't really work for them. But I knew someone from a class that I was sort of friends with. We studied together. We went to parties. No big deal. And I knew that he was trans. And then literally three, four years later, I work at this job. And a very nice woman that I work with
00:52:40
Speaker
It's like, oh, well, we have a particular record we refer to if we're dealing with a trans student. That way we keep consistency with how we denote their legal information versus what like their actual gender is and stuff. So like, oh, they're trans, so his gender is male. And this is how we want to put in their pronouns.
00:52:59
Speaker
She just deadnamed my friend directly in front of me without asking, do you know this person? Do you know anything? And I'm like, okay, it's a work in progress. We're taking a couple steps forward, but you took a big jump back.
00:53:14
Speaker
That was backwards, my lady. We gotta roll it back. Like, I did not need to know that. Almost there. I appreciate you guys talking while I was in the bathroom. Almost happy. Because I realized as I was washing my hands, I was like, we can't cut the video of me walking away. Nope. Because we're not putting in that effort, so.
00:53:37
Speaker
Everyone's gonna know that you had to take a piss right in the middle. Everyone's gonna know I had to piss. I'm sorry. No, all I'm trying to know is piss. I got trapped in a conference, so I had to go to my mom. Sorry to interrupt us on Patreon. I just killed Ryan. I had to go help my mom set up the PS4 to be factory recess. I was at her house for too long. I didn't get a piss. I always got a piss because I drink four bottles of water at work. Four bottles of what? Work at work. We on the grind.
00:54:07
Speaker
So I didn't get a piss. And then when I got home, I found the booed shit from the neighbors. So I had to talk to Sierra about what we were going to do with that. And then you guys were both like, where are you? Where are you? So I didn't get time to piss. No, it's OK. It was on me. I'm the one that set the time frame. Then it was like, well, it sucks. And fucked off for a minute. I wasn't responding. But I did not get a piss. It's OK. It's a nice little intermission piss. It's OK. No one but Patreon Cut will know and us.
00:54:36
Speaker
No one's gotta know. That's between us, Patreon, and God. Very true. The Holy Spirit is Patreon. Anyways, back to what we were talking about. Anyways, back to being GNC as fuck gamers. Do you know what that means? Gender non-conforming. Yeah, okay. Just making sure. Has anyone told you GNC as fuck?
00:55:04
Speaker
I mean, no, but I know what it is. So you haven't been told though? No. Okay, I'll put you on my daily list of people I tell you, look, GNC is fuck. I tell Ry at least twice a week if I can remember. I have such a weird experience because I don't identify as trans because I feel like I can't, but also not that like,
00:55:26
Speaker
I want a place at the trans table because I'm like, I don't need it. Somebody else can have that spot. I'm more of just I'm here. I'm vibing. Baby, I don't know how to tell you this. If you're not in a if you're not in a gender slot, you're kind of you kind of trans.
00:55:43
Speaker
I'm like aware of it. I just don't associate with it, if that makes sense. I think in a lot of communities, they believe that gender fluid and non-binary fall under the trans umbrella. So it's like, obviously, this is not like you have to feel trans, you have to identify as trans. It's just like, if you do want to identify yourself as that way as a gender fluid person, you totally can.
00:56:11
Speaker
You're not just because you're like yeah, I don't want to say female presenting Female presenting genderfluid that doesn't mean that you're not genderfluid even if like using she her pronouns But being like trans is still a thing you're like a trans man. You can still use she her pronouns That doesn't matter so you being they them genderfluid. That's fine Even if you want to use she her genderfluid that doesn't you're still under the umbrella darling you're there and
00:56:38
Speaker
Thanks, babies. I love you both. Don't feel like you have to give your seat up to someone who's more deserving of it because you are also welcome at the table. They're infinite seats. It's the last supper. Maybe we're still going. We're all just here. Oh my god. I will
TikTok Cosplay Community & Critiques
00:56:54
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say that the trans flag fucks.
00:56:56
Speaker
Excellent color choices. Oh, oh, Ryze getting up. What are they doing? Oh, shoot. Someone said the trans flag. I love it. I love trans flag anything. That color scheme is so good. That's my favorite palette on fighting games. On fighter Z, me and the homies play as trans flag broly all the time. What if I, what if I make a, like a gamer anime, we, kind of trans, not really transgender, nonconforming flag, but it's just the colors of Miku Hatsune.
00:57:25
Speaker
thoughts? Miku has literally changed for every identity. Miku is trans and black. I'll make it just for you, right? Miku is black, Japanese, and trans. Let's go. People forgetting that you can be black and Japanese too.
00:57:53
Speaker
I like, okay, so I've mentioned this on Nerd Testa Galaxy, but I grew up next door to a very nice family who had a dad that scared the shit out of me and I felt like I was gonna die anytime I looked at his eyes because he was a big scary man. But they're from Kana in Africa, like this country of Kana. And their parents are like first generation immigrants and then the kids were born here, I believe.
00:58:21
Speaker
They are African-American, but they were culturally black because they grew up in the household. They were African-American because they had their culture from Kana, but outside of the house, they presented as black. Does that make sense? And so communicating this to literally anyone who's white and in the South is the worst fucking thing. And any time we get on a discussion like this, I just wonder, how them kids doing?
00:58:51
Speaker
How are they navigating today? What's going on? Do you think they're well? Do you think they're good? I hope they're well. You think they're doing good. So anytime I see like Miku Monday and there's like a Muslim Miku or a black Miku, I'm like damn. I love Muslim Miku, but where are her pigtails or her hijab? Yeah!
00:59:14
Speaker
Two little Hijabknots on the side. That's another, hold on. Sorry, back to dragging TikTok. There's a lot of Hijabi cosplayers on there who use their Hijabs as wigs, and it looks amazing. But there's also people in the comments treating them like a baby. They're like, oh my God, you're so smart. That was so good. Talk to me like a human being, bitch.
00:59:40
Speaker
Do you comment on white cosplayers saying this? Like, oh my god, like, that is so like, and it's not like, that's so cute how you did your wig. It's like, oh my god, like, it's the tone of the message is so condescending. And you can tell, you can, you can tell a lot of people who don't have to experience this won't notice the difference. They'll think that you're just like,
01:00:03
Speaker
being an asshole if you're like, don't talk to me like that. It's kind of like, um, fuck. There was someone who like talked to me like it was a normal person, but when they found out I was autistic, card started calling me sweet pea.
01:00:16
Speaker
That's what I, that is new. Yeah, we've talked about this privately. It's not a conversation for the podcast, but yeah. No, I'm not bringing it up further. I'm just saying, like, as an example of what I'm talking about, of, like, someone once they found out I was autistic, they changed their entire tone with me. And that's how a lot of people, like, approach these Jabi cosplayers or, like, these, like, a lot of trans cosplayers also get targeted for this shit, too.
01:00:41
Speaker
where it's just like, oh my God, like you look so cute, like you're doing good, like yay, like a little bean, sweet baby boy. Anytime I see a little bean, like I think it's fun when it's being like sarcastic, like, oh my God, a little bean, a little bean. No, but like the actual like, oh, it's just a little bean is immediate red flag these days because it's just like, oh, that's a grown man, your little bean is 42.
01:01:08
Speaker
Mads Mikkelsen is not a little bee. Are you calling yourself out with that one? Was that a self pointed? I don't call. I never thought he was looking. I'd like to point out.
01:01:19
Speaker
Everyone on Tumblr with Tom Hiddleston did though. Yeah, they
Asian Representation in Hollywood
01:01:23
Speaker
still do. I want to talk to the teenagers that made Loki fan art before Loki was a show, like whenever there were only two movies that Loki existed in. What are you doing now? I want to know. Probably still making more. Yeah. I promise you they are back.
01:01:44
Speaker
It sucks. I hate being alive. I used to be so obsessed with Tom Hiddleston, it was bad. But now, when I watch the new Loki show, the only thing I can think about is his receding hairline. So, who's gonna tell the Tumblr stans that? Who's gonna tell them that he is like in his 40s and his hairline's receding? His hair's gone. He can't be a little beat with flowers on his head. They're covering up the hairline with flower crowns.
01:02:14
Speaker
No, I pretend I do not see they do not see it. I kind of hate the murmur community. No offense Not to anyone personally. You love DC. I hated DC. I hate DC too, bitch Batman fuck that new Superman fuck that dude. I like this And that's it
01:02:36
Speaker
And Kara. Okay, I like Kara. I like the anti-hero sidekicks. So I will happily drag MCU and I will drag DCU through the fucking mud. The movies are shit. They're shit. They are garbage. I'm gonna say this on the Asian category of this podcast. Shang-Chi was fucking good though. I don't see that. Shang-Chi was good.
01:03:04
Speaker
I hate the level of racism that came with franchising from it, though. Fuck Disney execs for treating that movie like shit. They really thought it was going to be swept under the rug because it was an Asian-led movie. Oh, for real. And people showed up, so it made money. That's fucked up, though, just because your other Asian-led film, Black Widow, failed.
01:03:33
Speaker
We were so lucky oh my god the real Japanese my age every time I think about my Asian Queen Scarlett Johansson I think of the Miku commercial where she gets a phone call from Scarlett like always believe in yourself Miku
01:03:49
Speaker
I love that commercial so much. Also, I would like to point out, everybody who's like, OMG ScarJo goes to the show. Are you forgetting that her breakout role literally took place in Japan about her being in Japan and falling in love with a guy in Japan? And that was the plot. There was nothing else. Lost in translation with Bill Murray.
01:04:13
Speaker
I've never seen a movie. It takes place in Tokyo. I'm pretty sure it's in Japan I don't know if it's Tokyo specifically, but it's just yeah, it's just her in Japan. This is not a new thing. You wanna know what movie had good Asian representation that was not fetishized? Fast and Furious 9. Hell yeah. But no, I just... He built that rocket. True. Damn.
01:04:38
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Fast the Furious 9 had representation of he was wearing the Marty McPherson every single group even I was and What are you about to tell me they had that representation? What were you about to say? What? I I'm done. Okay, you looked down at something and I was like, did you stop recording? What happened? I
01:04:59
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I got scared. No, sometimes you just have to like you talk so much and you have to I get it I get it like you weren't talking too much though But um, okay. No, okay. Hold on one more I'm gonna hark on the fucking ghost in the shell stuff a lot of people thought that it was good because the way they dealt with her being white is
01:05:18
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they made that like a part of the movie. Not realizing that colorism is a key detail of the original Ghost in the Shell plot. So to like in the movie they try to be like the problem is is that they put her in a white body to make her perfect and it's an addressing of colorism within the movie. It's like that's not the plot. That's
01:05:38
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They built up another plot because they were trying so hard to justify having a white woman be a Japanese. It's literally anti-military. The whole plot of Ghost in the Shell is anti-military. But they're like, hold on. Let's make it about how white people are perfect and that's the flaw. What?
01:05:59
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which is in and of itself infantilizing more Japanese people by saying we put Westerners, specifically white Americans, on such a pedestal. It's like, bro, everybody sucks. They don't. White people are not, we're not on a pedestal. We do not deserve that pedestal. We don't.
01:06:22
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Nope. I'll gladly give it up. Yeah, Ghost in the Shell was bad. I mean, casting a white woman as an Asian woman was not the move, but they made it worse by actually changing the plot to the movie to fit that. Whereas Mads Mikkelsen in Doctor Strange, that's okay.
01:06:41
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Anytime that someone brings up- She wasn't Asian. Scarjos. Anytime someone brings up Scarjos, Power Rangers. Scarjos goes to the shell. I always think of Power Rangers because I think of how it's a Japanese show and the only character they kept as non-American was the yellow one. What's the yellow Power Ranger? You get to stay Japanese, honey. That's what I think of anytime someone talks about Scarjos goes to the shell.
01:07:12
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That's literally how it is with all movies. It's like when Speed Racer, the Dragon Ball movie, the Dragon Ball movie where they make Goku white. Yeah, why are they making Goku white? Didn't they change his name in the live action movie? I'm pretty sure his name was not Goku. Hold on. Oh, this is for Dragon Ball. Oh my God. They're just making white people names for his name's Dave.
01:07:39
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No, no, no, that was a joke, that was a joke, that was a joke. The fact that I believed you though, that says a lot. We did not hesitate to believe you, both of us. Live action Dragon Ball movie. You might pull up the one from the fucking 80s that has one of the squid game guys in it. Nope, I'm pulling up 2009. Okay, his name is still Goku, his name is still Goku, but his name is played by Justin Chatwin.
01:08:10
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Alright. Why the fuck was James Marcer's piccolo? Spike from Buffy was piccolo? Wait a minute. Piccolo was a black man? What are we talking about? James Marcer's is sexy though. The minute you put anything on his forehead. Have you seen Buffy? Have you seen Buffy? I keep like motioning like you guys are you can see where you're oriented on my screen. The vampires in Buffy get like four-
01:08:36
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Sorry, Chi Chi's a white woman. Yikes. And only half his hair is done. I don't know how to feel. But anyways, oh fuck, I forgot that my screen is streaming. I wanna go to the DMs you saw. Oopsies. That means everyone just saw this horrible-ass Goku immediately dropped in your DMs. But basically, like,
01:09:04
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I lost my points. I just remembered that my DMs are showing. I just showed everyone who I was talking to. Damn. It's fine. It's not a big deal. What was I saying? I was talking about live action Dragon Ball. I don't know. I was going to tell Ry that they really shitty Korean knockoff Dragon Ball movie that they made that was like a... What's the word that I'm looking for?
01:09:29
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like a, fuck, I can't think of the exact word, but it's fake Dragon Ball where they're like, we're gonna sidestep all the copyright laws and say it's not Dragon Ball. The guy that played Goku is the guy that played the gang leader in Squid Game that has like the neck tattoo. Yeah. Oh, I remember that actually. I think I saw this. Yeah. He's really climbing that ladder. Yeah, so the whole thing sucked. Wait, this movie had really good- That's the word, bootleg.
01:09:59
Speaker
This movie had really good, like, actors in it, and that's the sad part. Because James Marsha is hot. How many times are you going to say that in the next two minutes? I've met him. He's actually like five, seven. He's a little dude. But hold on. Still taller than me. I'm looking. Sorry, I'm trying to read how many white people are here.
01:10:23
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Ry and I are just two short kings looking at each other. True. But Justin Chatwin is a white man who played Goku. Yamcha is played by an actual Asian man. Jun Park is Asian. Thank you. Sucks that Yamcha was even in the movie. But... Ry, did I tell you that I got a dead Yamcha Funko Pop? What? Do you watch Dragon Ball? No. I...
01:10:52
Speaker
That's fine. Are you are you? Are you familiar with the scene where Yamcha just dies of his thrown into a day? I know you are because I've sent you this picture a million times of the Dragon Ball dude just in the pit like dead over Let me let me send you a picture of it and you'll recognize it. But give me one second dead Yamcha There is our boy here I can I can show you a side-by-side comparison of this Yeah, and I bought it
01:11:23
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It was a New York Comic Con exclusive, but there you go. It's in chat. Oh Anyways, oh my god anime movies love recasting Asian people unless the roles offensive then they leave them in That's my point. Oh Cuz they're like we can make Goku or if they go cool, right? Oh
01:11:48
Speaker
Or if they give the Asian female lead a purple strip in the hair. You can just say Chi-Chi in that movie. You can say Chi-Chi. You can say Chi-Chi. I didn't see the Chi-Chi. I was thinking Go-Go from Big Hero 6. Or, um, Knives Chow. Go-Go from Big Hero 6, Knives Chow, fucking... There was a whole list of them that I saw. And the girl, his sister in Ching Chi was originally supposed to have, like, a red streak in her hair. And she was like, I don't want to fucking do that because, like, why are you gonna...
01:12:19
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Hold on, I'm sorry. Chi Chi is Jamie Chung. Who is the Asian girl who is also in Hannah Montana? Right? That's her. Hold on, let me look at who Jamie Chung is. Jamie Chung. She sounds familiar. What? I don't know. Where's your IMDB, baby? She was in sucker punch. She was fetishized the fuck out of in sucker punch.
01:12:51
Speaker
She was also a big hero six. I know who you're talking about, yeah. She's Amber, I believe, in Sucker Punch. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. And she hella gets fetishized in every role she's been in.
01:13:04
Speaker
Some characters that I am thinking of is Blink from X-Men, Psylocke from X-Men, Nikki from Sixteen, Tina from Glee, Knives from Scott Pilgrim, Mako from Pacific Rim, Gogo from Big Hero 6. The list goes on. There's the girlfriend from Deadpool. Yeah. Negasonic's girlfriend.
01:13:33
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She's got bright pink hair, though. I don't know if she has a streak. No, it's not bright pink in the second one. Is it not anymore? Oh, true bestie. I'm sorry. It's black with multiple purple streaks. I was thinking of one of her comic books. It's always purple. Or blue. It's purple, blue, or red, and nothing else. Yep. I love that Ry is here with blonde and pink hair, truly defying every stereotype. Ry's gone every single color. I refuse. Yeah, I refuse to make my hair black.
01:14:03
Speaker
Not again. Anymore. Every time we see a picture of you, it's like your cis-sona. Whenever you cosplay, you're just cosplaying as a cis person. Anytime they put on a long wig for a K-pop cover. Hello. Oh my god, for real. That ain't me. That is my cis-sona.
01:14:28
Speaker
That's not me out there. That's how I felt going to
Critiques of Quentin Tarantino's Work
01:14:31
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college, because I was a business student that was an art minor. And I was like, this is my white lady persona. I'm just going to pretend to be a business student today, I guess. Got to get that degree. Thank you, guys, and grind. Woo!
01:14:51
Speaker
It sucks. It fucking sucks. I hate movies. I hate Hollywood. Why was Dr. Strange, I'm glad the ancient one, Tillis went and killed it, but why was she a white woman? Why was she a white woman? He went to a... I don't even remember if the place was real or not. Did he go to a real country? I don't remember Dr. Strangelore right now.
01:15:12
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I don't know. I watched that movie exactly once. But for a movie about going to an Asian temple to learn martial art and chakra focusing, maybe the white woman shouldn't be. You know who did it right? You know who did it right is the Matrix, the Wachowski sisters, trans icons. They fucking did it right in The Matrix.
01:15:35
Speaker
You know who kills it though? Every single time we see him. I've never seen the Matrix. And when we see him in Shang-Chi, Wong, let's go Wong. My man Wong. Let's go. I don't know. Benedict Wong goes so hard in every role he's in. Right, did you say you've never seen the Matrix?
01:15:56
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So in The Matrix, it's written and directed by two trans sisters that at the time were both cis men and then have since transitioned and they're making the new Matrix under the title The Wachowski Sisters.
01:16:12
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which is really cool. And the whole movie is a metaphor for being trans of like, do you want to continue pretending? Like, do you do you take the blue pill and you continue pretending and waking up and going through the motions of life? Or do you take the red pill and essentially wake up and become who you are? Keanu Reeves is literally trans.
01:16:31
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Yeah, that's the whole character and like the journey of it is understanding that and like the strife between it. And whenever Keanu Reeves character, Neo, has to learn how to fight, he's sent to like a mountaintop dojo that's taught by an old, like an elderly Japanese man. So they did it right. The Matrix is a good fucking one. I know who didn't do it right and I'm sick of pretending. Gotta watch The Matrix. The bitch from Kill Bill.
01:16:56
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the one where she's like a Japanese school girl. Shut up. Oh fuck, what's your name? Anything that Quentin Tarantino does, I don't think that's right. My man loves fetishizing Asian women and hating black people. And feet. And feet. And feet. He loves feet, hates black people, and loves Asian women.
01:17:14
Speaker
and tries to kill Uma Thurman in every single movie. She should stop. No, her. Her. Stop working for him, girl. Oh, are you not? So he, well, she doesn't anymore. I know. No, I just mean like back, stop.
01:17:29
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If you're not familiar because Riot looks like you're not. I don't remember which film it was, but Uma Thurman was working on a film with Quentin Tarantino because he's one of those directors that's like, I work with 12 actors and no one else.
01:17:44
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that there was a car crash scene in the film and she did not feel comfortable doing it at all. And she really wanted a stunt double and he said, absolutely not. You have to do it for the integrity of the film. And she got severely injured and I believe had to go to the hospital and she was like, never again. I'm never fucking working with you again. He also inserts himself in several movies where his whole character is just being racist.
01:18:10
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He loves saying the n-word. He loves it. He says the n-word constantly on screen as either a trap house owner, as a drug dealer, as someone who's literally collecting slaves to drink them when chained.
01:18:25
Speaker
Oh, and the whole time in Django, he was treating himself on set as a white savior. And he was like giving, he was so good because he wrote a movie that gave black people roles in Hollywood. But that role was them being a slave being beaten and called slurs by him. And he was using the slur on set like as not in character like this, the story if it were completely removed from all of its creation is interesting. Yeah.
01:18:54
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because it's an American slave who is trying to escape so he can find his wife. That's a compelling story. That is interesting. It's a story of freedom. It's a story of finding your love. I get it, because his wife was separated from him at a slave trade specifically.
01:19:12
Speaker
If you put Quinton into your qu... whatever the fuck his name is, anywhere near this, it instantly becomes disgusting. That's how I felt. When I first watched Gloria's Basterds, I liked it. And then I watched it again a few years later, and there was a lot of marinating and hate on a lot of the Nazi crimes. And you're like, this looks too real.
01:19:35
Speaker
Something doesn't sit right here. That had a lot of hate in it, Quinn. Are you good? Also, let's rape a black man on screen for literally no reason in Pulp Fiction, and no one talks about it. No one talks about that that is a giant scene in Pulp Fiction, and everyone's like, oh, Pulp Fiction is a warning to it. There's no warning. There's no warning. You're like, this movie's pretty good. Like, it's great. Oh, gimp race.
01:20:02
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Huh? Yeah, yep. And he's a very wealthy, like, everyone respects him, everyone has, like, is terrified of him. Um, also his wife is white.
01:20:13
Speaker
That's another status symbol in the fucking movie, which is gross. Yeah, like he's successful because he has a white wife and it's just like my trophy. And he's yeah, he's a drug lord and all this shit, which is cool, but he's a white collar drug lord, so it's fine. And then he's brutally assaulted by a white nationalist and white supremacist in the basement of a pawn shop.
01:20:36
Speaker
Like, yep, that's how we want to end this character arc. He gets to kill his assailant, which is cool, but he still kills him off screen when he's attacked on screen. Yeah, so why did you have to... Come on, Quinn, explain it. Why did you break it down? Why did you make me watch this? This is the same man who defended Roman Polanski on live television, so like...
01:20:57
Speaker
Yeah. What, what can we even expect? Yeah, I hate Quentin Tarantino. And I hate people who are like... I loved you. Jacob was really good. You're so stupid. Bro, don't tell Woop. Bro, don't tell Woop.
01:21:14
Speaker
I don't know what's with white men loving this movie and maybe it's because they're just Quentin Tarantino fans and whatever. I don't care if you watch a Quentin Tarantino movie. I personally will not enjoy them anymore past the first watch. I will watch them because it's just like I like to be in the know of what's going on. I do enjoy some works and I do enjoy the parts of the cinematography that he does not have his hands on.
01:21:38
Speaker
Like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, I think had a different cinematographer also on board. I liked that movie. I did not like seeing feet. And racism. But I did like watching a dog maul someone's face off. So, you know, yeah, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is about, do you know what it's about? It's about the Manson murders, but if the guy won. Oh, that's right. That's right. It's about if the guy won.
01:22:05
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So he literally just like, you know, it's funny. It's pretty funny. It's only worth one watch though. I've seen Kill Bill volume one and I enjoyed it when I watched it.
01:22:18
Speaker
but that's also because I'm gay. And it's a lot of sexy women fighting and I'm like, whoa, baby. See, when there's something to gain and that's me and my arousal, then it's okay. If it's a Quentin Tarantino slurring at a man that just got brutally beaten, I don't know if I like it. I don't know if I'm here for it.
01:22:40
Speaker
But I also am fully aware of Quentin's, like, intent when I watch these movies. Media literacy besties. I hate Quentin Tarantino. Fanboys do not interact. Just kidding. I just like the meme that it says, instead of saying written and directed by Quentin Tarantino, it says... It says Tim Tim Quarantino?
01:22:59
Speaker
Yeah, this is like Quentin and Directino by Quentin Retinitude. I love all of those memes. They're my favorite. I'm a very simple person. But yeah, Asian characters in Kill Bill, I think we should stop pretending it was well done. Like, please. If you want to cosplay her because you're like an Asian woman, you're like, it was fun. It's cute. Good for you. But maybe we should not act like this is the top tier representation we need.
01:23:27
Speaker
Media literacy is a thing again Always am I aware that sucker punch is bad. Yup. Do I like it? Yeah Girl you're like You're on the top tier of like let's go actors.
Criticism of Other Film Directors
01:23:45
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It's Quentin Tarantino Zack Snyder and Yui bull
01:23:50
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Those three who did you ever see the movie rampage? Oh It's is that the one with the monkey? No, it's about the dude who like gets goes crazy and gets mad So he loads up guns and just goes and guns everyone down in town because he's throwing a tantrum Oh terrible movie
01:24:07
Speaker
I thought it was about a gorilla? No baby, hold on, you might be thinking the wrong one. What am I thinking of? Let me make sure I'm talking. I was really about a rampage. Okay, so the reason I think that is that I worked in a video store. It's the rampage, the 2009 movie, where an ordinary young man in a small town suddenly snaps, arms himself with machine guns, and goes and kills a bunch of people. Wow, fuck that guy. Yep, it's literally like, what if I just go shoot someone? And he literally just goes?
01:24:32
Speaker
and shoots a bunch, that's the whole movie. Is there a Rampage from like 2018? Rampage Gorilla Movie. The one with the rock.
01:24:49
Speaker
Okay, so the only reason I know that is because I worked at a video rental store and I was in college and The back wall that I could see during my shift because like, you know, they have all the shelves and stuff But I could stare down the back wall and it was where the ours were and so I could just I just stared at this fucking monkey soul on the rampage cover pretty good-looking monkey
01:25:16
Speaker
Yeah, there's two movies named rampage and I'm not talking about the one with Dwayne The Rock Johnson I'm one talking about a white boy who goes and guns down a town. Yui Bull is a terrible fucking director Let me see what else Eli Roth sucks too. Oh, that's cuz he falls under the Quentin Tarantino umbrella. Fuck Yeah, have you seen the movie postal?
01:25:36
Speaker
No, I've seen Hostel. No, Postal's about also a cult leader and they go and kill people and Osama bin Laden is involved. Why would you not make it about going postal if you're going to name your movie Postal? It's not. Also, the Blood Rain movies, the Blood Rain movies that were not good, also directed by Yui Bo.
01:25:59
Speaker
Damn. Hey, did you guys know I grew up in a town where going postal happened? Ah, shut up. Um, did you know that there's several, um, several sequels to Rampage? I just found out. So the one from 2009? Yes. No. There's several. I was really hoping you were going to say the Rock one. Did you read, or did you see House of the Dead, the 2003 one? None of this is ringing a bell. Nope. Do you want to know why that's a good thing?
01:26:27
Speaker
That means these movies are so shitty. You have never seen them. He literally directed a movie called Auschwitz. And guess what it's about? Auschwitz? It's not seen so much that the only description for it on Wikipedia is that it's a 2011 German drama film. German drama film directed by Yui Bo. That's it. That's the whole fucking synopsis for this movie. I really wish that it was named Auschwitz, but it was about Dachau.
01:26:59
Speaker
Is that too dark of a joke? He literally wrote a movie. His entire documentary is called Fuck You All. A Yewie Bull story. I hate this man. Just really no creativity when it comes to these movie titles, huh? What's not creative about the movie called They Wait? He made an off-brand Walking Dead called Anger of the Dead.
01:27:27
Speaker
Hey, do you know what movie is better than whatever the bullshit you said House of the Dead? Yeah, Rob Zombie's House of a Thousand Corps. True bestie. On ironically, I bet you it's better. Probably. I mean Rob Zombie's not a great director and kind of beats his wife or has a Rob Zombie puts a lot of domestic abuse in there. Maybe it's not a joke anymore. I don't know. I haven't heard that about him. Have you seen a Rob Zombie movie?
01:27:54
Speaker
I've only seen that one. Alright, there's domestic abuse in that one. And there's domestic abuse in every other Rob Zombie movie. Rob Zombie likes domestic abuse in his movies. I don't know if he's done it. I don't want to look it up. I will let someone who watches this episode tell me. I will, I will do it right now. No, I don't want an answer. It's also, it's also, I won't tell you. I'll just look it up. It's also possible that he like lived through it. That's true. Like his parents. Did Rob Zombie beat his wife?
01:28:25
Speaker
I googled Rob Zombie, domestic abuse. He's accused of hating children. Oh, good for him. I've also had that accusation. Do you want to know his actual name? Oh, shit. Okay. No, he was domestic abuse. He was abused. Yes, yes, yes. But there is domestic abuse in every single movie.
01:28:49
Speaker
He's just working through some drama. I am not judging him for that, but I'm just saying, every single one. I got so nervous that Rob Zombie was gonna be shitty. Every time we look up a celebrity's name, it's like, oh my god. I'm so scared. What did they do? I'm so glad we ruined our deep conversations with last minute talk about how bad every single movie Yui Boul made, The Rock, the Gorilla.
01:29:17
Speaker
The Rockerill is good! I'm not watching that
Humorous Film Discussions
01:29:20
Speaker
movie. You should watch it. No. You will watch, what is it, Fast and Furious 9, but you won't watch Ramsay? No, you need to shut the fuck up right now and put respect on F9. Because it is so good. I will not. It is a satire. I will not take Fast and Furious. Beautiful racing epic. It is so well done. It takes itself.
01:29:42
Speaker
It does not take itself seriously in any way. It plays on exactly what everyone wants to watch. And it is so fucking funny watching John Cena roll and jump over a rolling train. It's amazing. Okay. Okay. Right? Was that what you were going to say?
01:30:00
Speaker
Yeah, literally everything that Parker just said. It's the best movie of all time. No criticism. All right. It is... Where is it streaming on? I will... Oh no. We're watching it right now. No, I'm just kidding. You gotta watch it immediately. This episode is four hours long. We're gonna watch it both right at the end of it. I just swap screens and we're just watching like, hmm, it's nice. But as we come upon our two hours and two minutes of recording,
01:30:30
Speaker
if you're on Patreon. Shall we hit it with a wrap up? Fuck yeah, baby. Let me get our out of context sign off quotes ready. Oh, shit.
01:30:49
Speaker
We had this whole conversation last time. I got a whole channel. No, I know. I just have to open up on my phone because I got a... That's why I'm sorry. I'm buying Fast Furious 9 on one screen. Having Discord up on this one and then having to pull up my phone on the other. But I did just buy Fast and Furious 9.
01:31:10
Speaker
I own it now on HD. So if anyone wants to watch it on my Amazon account, let's go. I'm so, so proud of you. Hit me up. Um, okay. Out of context, quote, sorry you have to sit here during our bits, Ry.
01:31:26
Speaker
No, I'm ready. I was ready for this. Yeah, we get a live reaction. I was waiting. Let's see. I'm going to hit it with one out of order that you straight up at 2.17 PM said, time to old yeller this horny bitch. And then the cutoff is that there's a flushed emoji slightly like in frame. But the thing is that I was not the horny bitch. You were. Nope. It was me.
01:31:57
Speaker
Anyways. You just got those 2 a.m. thoughts. Oh, that's 2 p.m., right? That's 2 p.m. I was at work. You were fully sentient. Absolutely. Okay. On October 6th at 10.47 p.m. Parks DMs me. Can you not kill people? Um, no, I'm literally neurodivergent and a minor.
01:32:31
Speaker
Damn. So it's your bestie, retweet. So true. Goddamn. Raya, I hope you enjoyed that live. I was so happy. I'm literally no divergent in a minor, but okay. That's my favorite excuse. It doesn't apply to me anymore because I'm not a minor, but
01:32:56
Speaker
saying, but it's so fun. It's like when I had COVID, I was supposed to tell people like, um, I have COVID, but not. It's not. It's worse. Anyways. Um, I'm going to do my thing where I read off the patrons that we have who give me $15 a month. Um, sorry, everyone was just staring at us like, okay.
01:33:24
Speaker
First, I'd like to say thank you to Hector, to Lydia, to Oakley, to Ryan, to Ray. Ray, thank you for being our patron. You're right here. I'll tell you to your face. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's everybody there. Ray, where can we find you?
01:33:44
Speaker
Um, you can follow me on Instagram at Rybit. It's R-Y-E-B-B-I-T. And that's also my handle on YouTube as well. So if you ever feel inclined to follow cosplay content that isn't being posted anymore, that's where you can follow.
Social Media Promotion & Wrap-Up
01:34:02
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Perfect. Where can we see your dancing, bitch? Plug that.
01:34:08
Speaker
And you can also follow Black Moon crew, crew with a K on Instagram as well and on YouTube. That's where we do our dance in. Thanks, Bestie. But yeah, thank you for having me on the podcast. Thank you for coming. I know it's like I have you in like a death grip and if I ask you nicely on a free day, you'll just do it. But thank you. Oh, hell yeah. Thank you.
01:34:32
Speaker
You're welcome back on any time. Literally any time. This was so fun. But just let me know any time, any place. Also, we got to keep up our track record of only having non-binary guests. In fact, if you have gender, you're not welcome. You're not allowed. You know, Biny. Speaking of no gender, Neb, where can we find you?
01:34:56
Speaker
Amazing. Beautiful transition. Thank you. Thank you. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at nebula underscore inky. That's I N K Y and parks. Where can they find you? Um, I'm crown guard cosplay on Instagram and I'm little light B on Twitter. You can find the podcast at patreon.com slash fandames pod. You can find us on Twitter and Instagram at fandames pod. And if you give me your money, we will send you shit in the mail.
01:35:26
Speaker
We also have more things in our store that's getting updated. We have stickers, we got leftover pins. Those are already on there. Yeah, but I'm just reminding people, they're still out there. Buy our merch, motherfuckers. If you want to buy it, they're there. Parks will give it a little kiss and mail it off to you. Or I'll write a throw. Or she'll stand outside your window and chuck it through. I have your address.
01:35:50
Speaker
She knows where you live. I'll be there. I also have your social security number. And not you, Ned. Oh, no.
01:36:00
Speaker
This is only going to be a good bit for people who pay us money. So if you want this bit fully, pay us money. Thank you. We should mention now, actually, just before we get it, if you want to see the video version of this podcast, it is available on our Patreon. So if you're hearing this on Spotify or wherever the fuck you listen to our podcast, not Apple Podcasts, because they still hate us everywhere else, you can watch us freak the fuck out or watch me run to the bathroom. I don't know. Whatever you feel like.
01:36:29
Speaker
You also get extended content. You get an extra 15 minutes every episode. It's like 30. At least. At least. Eric has a voice. At least. Anyways, thanks for listening to the show or watching it. I don't fucking know. We love you. We love you. Goodbye. Right, do you want to say bye? Goodbye. What? You say whatever you want. That's your sign off. Whatever the fuck you want to say. Say it now.
01:36:59
Speaker
I love you, too. You hella cut out on Discord, goddamn it. I know it's gonna be on your audio, but like... Anyway. Goodbye, gamer. What the fuck was that? Neb? It's not a wave. It's next level. Come on, bitch. It's sharp. Sharp. There you go. Like that? Yes. Okay. Jesus. Thanks for listening to our show. Bye.