In Part 2, Dr. Joshua Gebhardt (a licensed marriage and family therapist who specializes in working with mixed-orientation couples) turns the lens inward and shares his own personal story — growing up in a conservative Christian environment, navigating masculinity as a college athlete, entering a mixed-orientation marriage himself, and slowly coming to terms with his gay identity. He reflects on the role of religion, shame, repression, and community expectations, and how those experiences ultimately shaped both his life and his work as a therapist. We also discussed how his own experience of coming out to his wife and ultimately divorcing informs his approach with clients. This is an honest look at untangling who you were taught to be from who you truly are — and how that journey can transform the way you help others do the same.

The Gebhardt Group: https://www.thegebhardtgroup.co/home

Email Joshua directly: josh@gebhardtgroup.co

Sign up for Dr. Gebhardt’s Group, “Women Navigating Marriages with Gay or Bisexual Men”: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe-0jju_kpELwu9HPnwP6LA720NcnkYR7UR3lGRcdedqrWqgg/viewform

Support for people in Mixed-Orientation Marriages:

HOW (Husbands Out to Wives): https://how-support.org/

GAMMA: https://www.gammasupport.org/

MOR (Mixed-Orientation Marriages) & More: https://www.morandmore.org/

Mixed Orientation Marriage: Pathways to Success (Free E-Book): https://mixedorientation.com/

AlternatePath (for women who have discovered their husbands are bi or gay): https://groups.io/g/AlternatePath

(Note: these show notes previously and erroneously mentioned "OurPath", which is not my recommendation and which has been traumatic for people I've spoken to.)

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Dr. Joshua Gebhardt’s Queer Journey: Faith, Marriage, and Finding Himself (Part 2)

We're back! This week I sit down with Dr. Joshua Gebhardt — a licensed marriage and family therapist who specializes in mixed-orientation couples — to explore what really happens when guys come out to their wives as queer. Drawing from his doctoral research and years of clinical experience, Joshua breaks down the most common challenges couples face after disclosure, why shame and panic often dominate the early stages, and how counselors can either help or unintentionally harm these vulnerable relationships. We unpack the most common relationship outcomes (and how to know which is most likely...), the role of sexual identity (bi v. gay v. something else), how couples navigate opening up their relationship (or not), the best and worst therapy models, and what it takes to navigate authenticity, safety, and connection when everything feels at stake.

Stay tuned for Part 2, coming next week, where we go deeper into Joshua's personal queer journey. You won't want to miss it.

The Gebhardt Group: https://www.thegebhardtgroup.co/home

Email Joshua directly: josh@gebhardtgroup.co

Sign up for Dr. Gebhardt’s Group, “Women Navigating Marriages with Gay or Bisexual Men”: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe-0jju_kpELwu9HPnwP6LA720NcnkYR7UR3lGRcdedqrWqgg/viewform

Support for people in Mixed-Orientation Marriages:

HOW (Husbands Out to Wives): https://how-support.org/

GAMMA: https://www.gammasupport.org/

MOR (Mixed-Orientation Marriages) & More: https://www.morandmore.org/

Mixed Orientation Marriage: Pathways to Success (Free E-Book): https://mixedorientation.com/

AlternatePath (for women who have discovered their husbands are bi or gay): https://groups.io/g/AlternatePath

(Note: these show notes previously and erroneously mentioned "OurPath", which is not my recommendation and which has been traumatic for people I've spoken to.)

More from Rob & Two Bi Guys:

Support Two Bi Guys on Patreon! (Bonus content, early access, and more) https://www.patreon.com/robertbrookscohen

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Mixed-Orientation Couples Therapy with Dr. Joshua Gebhardt (Part 1)

Welcome to Season 10 and the future of Two Bi Guys (By One Bi Guy)! I’m switching things up a bit, and today I’m sharing a couple of explainer videos that I recently posted to YouTube, plus important updates about the pod and my coaching practice.

I will continue to interview activists, authors, artists, researchers, coaches, and others with interesting things to share about bisexuality, fluidity, gender, and the relationship spectrum on this platform, but I am also branching out and creating new types of content, and I’m experimenting with cross-pollination. Let me know what you think. If you haven’t yet checked out my YouTube page, I’d love it if you would (link below), and I hope you enjoy today’s explainers!

Stay tuned for more interviews and other experiments coming soon. Thanks for being here and helping me get to season 10!

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Stop Coming Out! (Do This Instead...)

Welcome to the season 9 finale of Two Bi Guys (By One Bi Guy)! My guest is Wade Shepard, founder of a play party called “Bi for Bi”, which takes place quarterly in New York City. We chatted about why he started a party that caters to bisexuality (and specifically offers a venue for bi men to explore openly), what the party is like, and the kinky icebreakers that get things going (human cake anyone?) – plus one of the other parties Wade facilitates, focused on gangbangs, and how sexual fluidity plays a role. We also got into Wade’s queer journey, which he described as easier than most and without much drama, and how his sexuality and masculinity co-exist.

Thanks for listening to this season of Two Bi Guys, and stay tuned for more! The cadence and focus of my work is always shifting, but I plan to continue having these conversations and sharing more stories in the very near future – stay tuned.

Follow Wade on IG: https://www.instagram.com/the.slutlife

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Bi for Bi with Wade Shepard

Award-winning sex and gender specialist, sex educator, and now author Laura Clarke joins me to talk about her brand-new book “Step Bi Step: The Ultimate Guide for Bisexual, Pansexual, and Queer Young People”. Written with warmth, humor, and clarity, Laura’s book fills a gap for teens just beginning to explore their sexuality — and offers parents, teachers, and anyone curious a simple, compassionate introduction to bi and other queer identities.

We discuss Laura’s own “bisexual teenage montage,” how she discovered and named her attraction, and the internalized biphobia she had to unlearn. She shares why she wanted to create a resource that feels safe, inclusive, and non-patronizing — something she wished she had at 13. We also get into writing for a younger audience, balancing humor with heavy topics like biphobia and representation, and how exploring bisexuality can strengthen relationships rather than threaten them.

Whether you’re a teen, a parent, or simply bi-curious at any age, this conversation offers insight, validation, and a reminder to take things one step at a time.

Bonus content with Laura on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/robertbrookscohen

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Buy “Step Bi Step”: https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/more-than-one-a-handbook-for-bi-teens-laura-clarke/7744481?ean=9781805017516

Laura’s Website: https://www.mybodyandyours.com/

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From Boy-Crazy to Everybody-Crazy: Step Bi Step with Laura Clarke

This year marked the 25th year of BFF – and while many people do meet their best friends forever at the bi-annual event, that's not where the acronym comes from ;)  The Bi F*** Fest is a twice-a-year takeover of a resort in Palm Springs by over 250 Bi+ people, and while there IS a lot of fun, sexy playtime, it's the community, openness, and acceptance that keep people coming back. This year marked my second summer BFF, so I conducted a series of short interviews with attendees. They are fascinating. I love this episode. Enjoy!

00:00 – Intro and my experience

07:50 – Charles

11:30 – Steve

15:40 – Josh and Mark

30:00 – Jenni

44:00 – I describe the physical space

49:20 – Don

57:20 – Laura

1:07:00 – B.A.

1:16:15 – Peter

Though there's no video of my interviewees on Patreon for this episode, there is a slideshow of photos I took at BFF that plays along with the episode, so you can get a feel for the space and vibe. Your subscription also helps support this podcast and gets you early access and full video episodes for most other episodes: https://www.patreon.com/c/robertbrookscohen

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I Met My Best Friends Forever at Bi F*** Fest

My guest this week is Gabby Kealoha Holt, a queer, native Hawaiian singer/songwriter with a new beautiful song out May 30 titled “May We Heal”. We chatted about her queerness and sexual fluidity growing up, how that intersected with her passion for music (as well as her passion for skateboarding), how her life and career have been affected by meditation and newfound spirituality, and then we got into her new song, how it came about, and how music can help us all heal. Stay tuned to hear the song at the end of the podcast – or go listen now at the links below!

10 minutes of bonus content with Gabby on Patreon (plus early access and full video episodes): https://www.patreon.com/robertbrookscohen

“May We Heal” on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/7LnmPfCvwv26OVQSAkxj3M?si=Q3tk8OT0SFuLWICM6kkP_g

“May We Heal” on all platforms: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/gabbykealohaholt/may-we-heal-feat-erin-adkisson--the-sacred-sunday-song-circle-shortened-version?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAacYZvVTYHUqunXG6s_7BdugIRhONvhOLh9ktnWpxRZ5yeyETsU1O9NMp7n0eA_aem_EV94hrBXiskns6DhTwICwA

Gabby’s Website: https://www.gabbyholt.com/

Support Gabby’s work on GoFundMe: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-gabby-kealoha-holt-bring-medicine-album-to-life

Follow Gabby on IG: https://www.instagram.com/gabbyholt/

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May We Heal with Gabby Kealoha Holt

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Welcome back to the second half of my interview with Clark Nesselrodt! We finished up talking about his book before diving into the spiritual meditation work he facilitates, plus some talk about abundance and the reciprocity of the universe, and finally we chatted about the current political climate, how to engage with it spiritually (and when to tap out and take care of yourself), and what this period of disturbance could transform into.

One of my key takeaways is that nothing is ever happening to us -- it is always happening FOR us. This shift in perspective has been so powerful for me recently, and I hope it is healing for you, as well.

Stay tuned for more episodes throughout Pride month!

10 minutes of bonus content with Clark (about the spirituality of AI), plus full video episodes, on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/robertbrookscohen

Clark's website: https://www.clarknesselrodt.com/

Clark on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@keyofclark

Clark on IG: https://www.instagram.com/keyofclark

Clark on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KeyofClark

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Nothing Happens To You, It Happens FOR You, with Clark Nesselrodt

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My guest this week is my friend and spiritual guide, Clark Neselrodt -- he's also a coach, meditation facilitator, end-of-life caregiver, and father. We chatted about his unique bisexual journey, how to feel the vibrations and energy of your own queerness and authenticity, the spiritual work he facilitates, how getting in touch with your true self can connect you to divine realms and spirits -- and then we got into a discussion of his forthcoming book, "KINK: Un-crippling Our Secret Selves", how shame operates both on an individual level and in our society, and how the urges and callings of a kink can lead your toward your true life's purpose.

If you have no clue what we're talking about in terms of the meditation work that Clark facilitates, feel free to get in touch with me or him to ask! And if you have some idea... you're probably on the right track...

Stay tuned for part 2 with Clark next week, plus bonus content on Patreon!

Clark's website: https://www.clarknesselrodt.com/

Clark on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@keyofclark

Clark on IG: https://www.instagram.com/keyofclark

Clark on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KeyofClark

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Under Construction with Clark Nesselrodt

This episode welcomes the return of Mark Cusack, ICF Coach and founder of the support site “Not Defining”, to discuss his new book, Fluid: A Guide For People With Flexible Sexuality. (Finally, someone who can define one of the most commonly-used labels on this show!) We chatted about fluidity, what it means, how it’s shown up in our lives, and why it can be a helpful way to think about the sexuality spectrum – among other spectrums.

Don’t miss 17 minutes of bonus content with Mark on Patreon! We chatted about his teenage self, the cultural history of fluidity (fascinating topic), and more: https://www.patreon.com/robertbrookscohen

Buy Mark’s book, Fluid: https://uk.jkp.com/products/fluid

Mark’s website: https://www.notdefining.com/

NotDefining on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCct1pE5fNVUdIR1aw3wxPew

@NotDefining on IG: https://www.instagram.com/notdefining/

Rob’s Website: https://www.robertbrookscohen.com/

Free 25-minute intro call with Rob: https://calendly.com/robertbrookscohen/25-minute-free-intro-call

Two Fluid Guys with Mark and Rob

A podcast about sexual fluidity, the gender spectrum, masculinity, intimacy, relationships and more, now hosted by one bi guy.