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Episode 197: Walking the Wilds with Kyra
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Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:00:29
Speaker
Hello Podwalkers and welcome to another episode of the Goblin Lore Podcast. This is your host, Taya. Taya transcends on Twitter or on Blue Sky. Pronouns are she, her, or they, them.
00:00:45
Speaker
want to say thank you for joining and thank you to the Graining Coffee Company for always being here to help keep us in, uh, keep Hobbs caffeinated, keep us going, um, sponsoring our giveaways during our, um, charity streams and other events that we run. And, um, also want to welcome our special guests again, uh, having, um, having her back to talk about the wild of belt drain story. It's, uh, Kate Arsenet Romero.
Kate's Experience with Wilds of Eldraine
00:01:12
Speaker
Thank you for coming on the show again.
00:01:14
Speaker
Hello, thank you for having me. It's honestly, I've been looking forward to talking about the set for quite some time, so I'm very much looking forward to this. That's great. Yeah, I was very excited to see that you already had more story coming out. That's so soon. It was fantastic. Love your love your writing, so it was great to have you back. You get to. You know, kind of a.
00:01:43
Speaker
You get to be reoccurring a magic writer. Yeah. Add that to your resume. I never thought I would be here, but it's very exciting. And it's honestly, every time that I get asked to do a magic project, it's just such a blessing. And yeah, there's always a part of me that's like, oh my God, is, is this the last one? If it's the last one,
Recurring Themes in Kate's Writing
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Speaker
then I want to put everything I have into this and make sure that
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Speaker
You know, this is an incredible work that I'm proud of and that I'll be happy with as a legacy in the world of magic. And then they hit me up again. I'm like, oh boy, I get to do it again. Nice. Yeah, I would be so excited to. That's.
00:02:31
Speaker
Yeah, I just getting to come back and do more each time and getting to do something different is that's the thing with this IP. There's just so much different stuff you can do. And this is definitely a completely different vibe than your last project. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, it is in a lot of ways, although having the continuity of me being the writer on March of the Machine and also on Wilds of Eldraine meant that we were able to tackle some
00:03:01
Speaker
recurring themes throughout, which I thought was really cool. Um, specifically issues of trauma come up in both. So, you know, it's different. Definitely get
Favorite Fairy Tales and Folktales
00:03:13
Speaker
into that. I'm sure. So one thing we haven't covered yet and it's our, you know, we always have our opening question and I thought being, you know, wild developed drain, it'd be a good time to just ask, you know, what's your favorite fairy tale?
00:03:28
Speaker
I had to think about this for a while. I don't know. I had trouble coming up with a single favorite one.
00:03:47
Speaker
I've never been a huge fairy tale person, although we do have to say I've enjoyed these, these fairy tale themed sets. I'm going to like check it out. I'm just going to say Shrek is my favorite. You know what? It counts. I'm not mad at it. I would say it counts. All right. So I have a few different answers to this question. And they're more folktales. One of them is a fairy tale by a classic definition.
00:04:14
Speaker
When I was growing up, my favorite stories would be about Juan Bobo, who is a Puerto Rican character, who is just kind of a himbo, as you would say these days. But back then, it was a very pioneering concept, where he's just a very sweet kid who doesn't really understand very much of what's going on. And one of his totemic items, I suppose you could call it, is a sausage that he carries around his
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Speaker
that he carries around on his shoulder and he can always take a bite out of it and it never runs out. And he just like does a whole bunch of silly, funny stuff pretty much. And
Introduction of Kellen and Eldraine Characters
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I really love those stories growing up.
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Speaker
In terms of other folk stories that I like, I really enjoy the Kyohime story, which is the oldest extant no play. That's a folk story about a Japanese maiden who is seduced by a monk. And when he betrays her, she's so enraged that she calls out to the gods for assistance. They transform her into a dragon and then she melts a bell around him.
00:05:26
Speaker
And I think that's sick. It's actually one of my tattoos. I have two full sleeves tattoos. And one of them is the Kyohime story. Yeah. The other one. And my last one, which is, I guess most traditionally a fairy tale, is I really like Blackbeard, Bluebeard rather, because I am a villain fucker. And I just think it's a neat story. And I always like when I see that set up,
00:05:55
Speaker
It's something that has such a cool setup that you can put in so many different places. It can go so many different ways. I like the potential of the story, and I like the tension that's in it from the start. So yeah, that's what I'd go with.
00:06:14
Speaker
That's fantastic. I'm glad you had some good examples. The never ending sausage sounds great right about now. I have not had dinner yet. I didn't have a chance to have dinner before this started and I could go for a never ending sausage right about now. Yeah, I loved that so much when I was a kid because we grew up fairly poor and the idea of a never ending sausage, I was just like, oh my God, what I would do with a never ending sausage. He uses it as a weapon sometimes.
00:06:44
Speaker
I, yeah, I mean, if you have a sausage big enough to hold over your shoulder, you might as well. Right?
Rowan and Will's Tension and Development
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Yeah. So.
00:06:56
Speaker
Yeah, those are some really good suggestions. I love the tattoo. I just, and I've been sharing pictures of it everywhere. So I've been kind of showing off, but I just finished my magic tattoo. And that was almost 25 hours to have my whole arm done. Oh, shit. Nice. So I was, I'm quite happy that's finally finished.
00:07:20
Speaker
My magic tattoo is a lot smaller. I just have Addison's collar. Uh, but I've been thinking about getting one with Sagarda though. Oh, nice. Yeah. Well, we got, we got Innistrad remastered coming. Oh, you best believe I'm going to be buying tons of those packs. Yeah. We just had a, we had a conversation last week about all the, uh, all the product announcements and I was fangirling so hard over Final Fantasy.
00:07:50
Speaker
It's going to be incredible. I don't know too much about what's coming up in the pipeline, but I know that the people who are involved with the Final Fantasy set are really excited about it and it means an awful lot to them. So I'm sure it's going to be fucking insane. Can't wait. I know it's a year and a half away, but I'm.
00:08:12
Speaker
I am so sold already and there's a bunch of awesome stuff coming between here and there, but we're here to talk about El Drane, the current hotness. Let's elk some rains. Yeah.
00:08:29
Speaker
So this is the first set kicking off a whole new story arc, the Omen Path arc, as we were told. It's the first part of a three-year story arc, as we found out. There are three-year major arcs split into three one-year subcomponents. And this is our first story in this new arc. So you get to kick the whole thing off.
00:08:55
Speaker
Yeah, I do. What an honor to be the one who ended the last one and then starts this one. Honestly, it's very, very special. And I think that being able to introduce everybody to Kallen especially has been an incredible opportunity because
00:09:13
Speaker
Helen, I fell in love with him so much as I was writing him. When he was initially presented to me, I'm like, okay, he's a kid hero. You've seen a lot of those. But then as I wrote him, I was like, wait a second. I love this kid. He's such a good boy. If anything happened to him, I would kill anyone in this room and then myself. Oh, he's
00:09:38
Speaker
He's so precious, yeah. We will be seeing a lot more of Kellen too, so I am very happy that people like him. We would, yeah. So yeah, so the story starts off with, we start off with the Rowan and Will going to address some minor rebellion in the ranks
00:10:07
Speaker
You know, not everybody's going along with this, you know, just out of their teens, uh, king program. Yes. There's been some dissension in the ranks and as we know, uh, Rowan and Will's father did
00:10:26
Speaker
go on the quest in order to become hiking of Eldraine as did their stepmother Linden. So it's very much a case of those two following the rules and then Will is kind of claiming the title without having done the requisite, you know, pop quiz of what Questing Beast does when it hits the field. A lot of people aren't too keen on that and I think that there is good reason not to be too keen on it.
00:10:53
Speaker
At the end of the day, we're kind of talking about nepotism babies here, no matter how skilled they may be. So I think that, you know, Eldraine's been through a lot. The twins have been through a lot. Everyone's trying to put the pieces together and some of them don't fit there anymore. There's just pieces that are gone forever. We lost a lot of
New Characters and Kellen's Quest
00:11:15
Speaker
the Knights from Embereth. We lost almost all of the Knights from Loch Twain.
00:11:20
Speaker
And how does the realm continue in the face of that? And as we see, the twins have very different philosophies about that. Yeah. And, you know, once again, I'm going to repeat my frequent call for planeswalkers or, you know, former planeswalkers getting therapy because Rowan could really use a therapist. Rowan. I mean, will too, but...
00:11:48
Speaker
I think Rowan's in the running for planeswalker or former planeswalker who most needs therapy right now. Girls got some anger issues. I mean, it's not just anger. She has some major grief issues and I've lost both of my parents in the same year, so I understand that didn't lose them to terrible murder machines.
00:12:17
Speaker
You know, I definitely get the grief aspect and that on top of it. And she's been dealing with a lot of other things too, and just wanting to be on her own when she's been tethered to her brother for so long and kind of have her own life beyond that. So there's a lot going on with her.
00:12:36
Speaker
And on top of that, her brother is the one who's claimed the throne. Yeah. And that's because he's very slightly older than her, like a few minutes, maybe. And I think one of the things that Rowan is really struggling with here too, is this sense that Will isn't doing the things that she would do and isn't approaching things in the way that she would approach them. And I think that especially after everything that's happened, she can't imagine taking
00:13:05
Speaker
a gentle approach to any of this because she's so worried about when the next incursion is going to be. Like, this Phyrexian invasion for Eldrin came out of nowhere. They weren't involved in this whatsoever. So, for Rowan, all of that just happened for no reason. And I think that part of her anger, too, is
00:13:27
Speaker
fear and not knowing when her life is going to change like that again. And knights on horseback are not a good matchup for biomechanical murder machines. No, they're not. The first strike will help you a bit, but they haven't brought horsemanship back. And you also introduce a new character here who is just a complete badass, Imadine.
00:13:54
Speaker
Oh, Imidane. Imidane, my sweet. Yes. I'm so happy people like Imidane and that Imidane has her own card because she was such a delight to write and I love her so much. Yeah, I. I'm glad we got to see more of her after the first story because she is. I always.
00:14:22
Speaker
Anyone with fire powers has always got me interesting and you know, big, big menacing ladies is definitely my thing. Absolutely. I wanted this to be, you know, this big intimidating lady, but also somebody who has been hurt by the invasion in kind of a similar way that the twins have. Imidane lost her arm in the invasion explicitly. And even though she's gotten this,
00:14:51
Speaker
group of bandits together and is trying to claim kingship over Eldraine. She, as we see in the fight, is also pretty full of fear herself. And the second that Rowan really pops off, Imidane runs. She doesn't try to fight it out. And I think that says a lot as to what exactly happened at Castle Ambereth to strike fear into the heart of a woman like Imidane.
00:15:18
Speaker
Rowan does split a mountain in half. She does. She does do that. You know, I think that's kind of an ongoing thing after this first chapter is that most of the people around Will are terrified of Rowan. Yeah, they are. It's a consistent thing. He brings it up. And even Will himself is scared of her from that moment going forward.
00:15:45
Speaker
And I think that he's kind of scared from her from the end of Strixhaven, even just from the amount of power that she wields at the end of Strixhaven. And I think that that's part of what really starts this rift between them, right, is that Will is has been kind of afraid of her for some time.
00:16:09
Speaker
doesn't really know how to engage with that in a way that's helpful for either of them. And Rowan's not dumb, you know, they're both jocks, but they're smart jocks, scholarship jocks, you might even say. And knowing that her own brother who's supposed to be, you know, the closest person in the world to her so much so that they share a spark is afraid of her is horrifying to her. And especially in the aftermath of losing her parents, she just
00:16:38
Speaker
wants some place that feels like home again, and she can't find it. Yeah. Yeah, it's... I definitely feel bad for her as much as I also do like seeing... I like having a new member of the Rakdos family.
00:17:08
Speaker
During the Kaladesh stories, I was so excited when they were teasing Rakdo's genre. I was like, it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. And when it didn't happen, I was so sad. So you know what? I just realized that in talking to you that I've come full circle on that moment in that I got to write the Rakdo supplying of Red Walker.
00:17:37
Speaker
Be the change you want to see in the world. That is the lesson. Yeah, we did. We got that almost moment with Chandra, where we had the diabolical intent or whatever it was with Lily whispering in Chandra's ear. Which is the only version of that card that anyone should ever run. Yeah.
00:17:59
Speaker
So the other, and this is also the first story where we introduce Kellen and we get to meet him in his cheap herding village, far away from everything that happened. Sounds like a hell for me, an absolutely awful place to live. I don't know. So here's a fun fact. My family is from Puerto Rico, obviously.
00:18:27
Speaker
But we have very long
Rowan's Personal Struggles and Alliances
00:18:28
Speaker
running routes there and we're from a fishing village in the middle of fucking nowhere. And actually everybody on the fishing village is technically living on my great grandmother's land because she was given that land by the US government way back in the day.
00:18:47
Speaker
But it's a sort of place where everybody has tons of farm animals. Everyone knows everyone. I can just wander from house to house and it's fine. There's like one bodega and that's kind of me. But a lot of the feelings that I had about that fishing village show up in writing about Orange Shire.
00:19:09
Speaker
does a sleepy town that's far away from everything where you kind of have to really try if you want to get news. Yeah, it was like, even the thought of the invasion is like, oh, I guess something happened out in the wider world. It's like not even the Frexians bothered coming here, just sheep. You know, it's
00:19:35
Speaker
but this is where you find people like Kellen to go off on adventures because they need to get out of there. Exactly. We do see the bad side of that too with the boys who are teasing Kellen and harassing him and throwing iron nails at him. Yeah, that sounds so familiar for me growing up in a small town. Yeah. I left my family's village when I was fairly young,
00:20:02
Speaker
You know, I have some hesitancies about going back because I'm extremely queer and I'm covered in tattoos and you know, I'm, I'm this big city person now. And if I were to go back, what would that be like? Yeah, I feel very much the same way about going back to where I came from and it would be kind of similar.
00:20:33
Speaker
But, so we do get to meet him and he has a really great loving family, a stepfather, mom doesn't tell him too much, but yeah, he gets, you know, supposedly he's fae blooded and has a fae father and wants to learn more about it and just kind of
00:21:00
Speaker
This is what starts him off on his whole adventures. He gets, uh, he meets Talion, the Fae King, who says, oh, you can go to go defeat some witches for me and I'll tell you who your dad is. It's a nice trade, right? It's a very straightforward bargain, which is always what you can expect from the Fae. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:24
Speaker
Kellen and his family were a lot of fun to write. And just to imagine, I really wanted to have a situation where his stepfather was fully cognizant of his role as a stepfather, but also very invested in Kellen as if he was his own child. And his mother has been open with him about all of this, and they both really, really love their son.
00:21:49
Speaker
But I also didn't want to shy away from the fact that, you know, Kellan's heritage is something that he does have to deal with. And all of the love that he's receiving from his parents isn't enough to answer the questions that he still has. And for a lot of adoptees that I've known in my life, they've had a similar situation where no matter how much, you know,
00:22:11
Speaker
their family loves them they do still have these questions and it's okay to have those questions and it's okay to want answers to them and you know I really wanted to have a setup where the family is still okay after he goes to find these answers. Yeah and we see that when you know coming around at the end when he returns home everybody's just really happy to see him and
00:22:39
Speaker
you know, hopefully it works out best for everybody. I think we get kind of moving forward, you know, Rowan decides to go out on her own and decide, you know, Will's approach to solving the wicked slumber, which is, you know, people just falling asleep and not waking up and
00:23:08
Speaker
Magically. You know, slightly problematic when you're probably already have a lot of you already had a lot of casualties from the war and now people are just falling asleep. That's not going to be very helpful to dealing with an already unstable society. And it doesn't say like Will also has to prove that he's worthy of being hiking, which he can't easily do when he hasn't come up with an answer to the wicked slumber.
00:23:38
Speaker
You know, it's the sort of thing that you would expect a good and wise king to be able to wave his sword around a couple times or consult Merlin and it's fixed. But Will, for all of his studies, can't find an answer to that. And in some senses, I think he's more, you know, focused on trying to keep the realm together and then addressing the wicked slumber. And that's also something that is upsetting to Rowan because she sees the slumber as the more pressing issue.
00:24:07
Speaker
Yeah. And I think this is very clear and I think it comes out and it has throughout the story with, you know, Will and Rowan through their whole history is you can very clearly see the red-blue split between the two of them is where Rowan wants to be out doing something about the problem and Will wants to study the problem and find the solution. Rowan wants to be actually doing something about it.
00:24:35
Speaker
Yeah, she's a very active person. And when you're in a state of grief where your entire foundation has crumbled beneath you, everything you've ever known has changed irrevocably. It's very hard to know what to do. And often the thing that you're going to reach out and try to do is probably going to be the wrong thing. And you're probably going to hurt people that you care about in doing it. But she feels like she needs to. And so she does.
00:25:03
Speaker
Yeah. You know, we meet another another interesting character, Rosé. Oh, Royce. Royce. All right. Yes, Royce is delightful. People really liked Royce. I was so happy about that. Yeah, we don't get we don't get much of her, but we've got really cool spider lady.
00:25:27
Speaker
definitely could use more. I'm always happy to see non-human characters get some story time, you know. I would love to write more about Royce. I think she's so cool. I had this idea of, you know, Rowan stopping by and finding somebody who isn't what she expects, and Royce was kind of born of that.
00:25:51
Speaker
and of this idea of, you know, I wanted somebody kindly who would look after her for a little bit, even if only for the course of an evening. And the idea that even that person isn't what Rowan expects, but it doesn't go badly for her, is one of the few like positive moments that she has in this arc. There's like two of them,
New Characters and Light-hearted Moments
00:26:16
Speaker
and that's one of them.
00:26:18
Speaker
It does. You know, things work out well for her. And we get to meet a new cool character that I would love to see more of in a future set. And we get a return to return to Eldraine at some point. So you can show up in a commander set at some point. I'd be down with that. I think it would be really cool if she was some sort of like equipment based commander. You know, she makes stuff for people. I think that would be sick.
00:26:47
Speaker
So then we get, you know, we get some more time with Callan and he meets our other, you know, another one of our story characters, Ruby, who, you know, we have our obsensible little red riding hood with a crossbow.
00:27:03
Speaker
It's funny because I didn't know she had a crossbow. Yeah, I know in a story she doesn't have it in the art. In the art she does, yes. If I had known she had a crossbow, I would have written her using it. But I happen to think that her winging an apple at somebody at fucking mock speeds is fun.
00:27:23
Speaker
it is definitely it is definitely funnier using improvised weapon i love i love her art i kind of wish
00:27:34
Speaker
I wish her card was more at the end of the story arc when she has the giant sword, ice sword. Yeah, the giant ice sword. It's so cool. You know, at the end of the story, I feel like Ruby has really come into her own and where she starts the story in a very practical place where
00:27:54
Speaker
I don't know if she really believes in heroes or any of that. By the end of it, she's definitely become one on her own. And part of her stepping into that role of hero is going, fuck, yeah, I want a big sword. Yeah. It's like, I want one of those anime swords. I, you could call me Cloud Strife. I was like, this needs to be an equipment that can go in the equipment commander deck.
00:28:23
Speaker
I think so
Final Confrontations and Resolutions
00:28:24
Speaker
too. It can be all about the various adventures that happened on the way to Eldraine because this really is an adventure story for both of them. It resolves differently, but both of them are going on a quest. And honestly, that was one of the most rewarding things about this set is the kind of mirrored narratives between Rowan and Kellen.
00:28:45
Speaker
where they're both venturing out to go find something about themselves. I thought it was really cool how it ties into a lot of Arthurian stories and a lot of folk stories. They're both leaving home in search of something else. Yeah. It's a fun adventure for both of them. They're each doing their old thing.
00:29:13
Speaker
Ruby starts off just wanting to find her brother, which resolves pretty quickly in the story. That's over and done within the same chapter she's introduced. It's like, yup, solved. But then she decides to tag along with Kellan because he's got this really cool quest. It's...
00:29:43
Speaker
And just, yeah, first, you know, we kind of come out of the second story with, you know, first witch gets cooked. We have the witch about to cook Emadon and gets finding Ebony and the first witch, Kellen, racking up his first kill. Yeah, he does just straight up kill her. Yeah.
00:30:07
Speaker
Which is, it feels a little brutal, but it's also in keeping with fairy tales. I mean, a lot of fairy tales are extremely brutal when you look back at them. And I think that this one is no exception. And I mean, given the circumstances, she was about to literally eat someone. So I think we can forgive him for this one. She deserves it. She totally did. And we have Imidane here again.
00:30:32
Speaker
One of the archetypes that I really wanted to draw on for Imidane is this fallen knight. We see that a bit in stories like Gawain and the Green Knight, where Gawain just kind of fucks off for a little bit and he's not sure what it means to be a knight anymore. He's kind of faltering and the whole story is about that humanity and those errors that you make in terms of pursuing a chivalric ideal. And Imidane is here,
00:31:01
Speaker
in like the second or third stop of her failing journey before she remembers what it's like to be a real knight, so to speak. So having her as a touchpoint throughout and having
Future Speculations and Kellen's Lineage
00:31:15
Speaker
her going on her own arc kind of outside of the realms of the story was important to me because we needed to have a yardstick by which we can measure other people's progress.
00:31:26
Speaker
In this case, you know, Kellan's progress because he has done something heroic here, but he also in some senses has done something anyone would have done in the same circumstances. Yeah. So, you know, Ruby already finishes her little quest, finds Peter, your brother, and like, okay, I'm going to tag along with you now. Kellan, your quest is pretty cool. Let's go off some more witches. Mm-hmm.
00:31:52
Speaker
they set off to continue their quest. And then we get this special goose episode. There was so much talk about the goose on Twitter. So here's the thing. Wilds of Eldraine is actually, well, it's only five episodes, but each of those episodes is longer than it normally is for a magic story of five episodes. And at a certain point, we considered cutting the goose.
00:32:22
Speaker
And then we just looked at each other. We're like, we can't cut the goose episode. I'm glad you didn't cut the goose. It's too happy. It sparks too much joy.
00:32:32
Speaker
So even though it's not, you know, like super vital to the plot, it's important to have these moments. And I think these moments are part of why people have come to like Kellen so much too, is this kid seeing a gigantic goose and shouting run for your lives. And the goose just wants to swallow him. That's all the goose wants to do. The goose is tasted blood. Geese are terrifying. I do not fuck with geese. I respect them.
00:32:58
Speaker
But respectfully, if I see a goose somewhere, I am going to not be where the goose is. Yeah. That is this multi-headed menace of a goose. Totally a villain of the villain of the whole story line. Ampeorex. Alpeorex, yes. He's a very much a villain. Yeah.
00:33:25
Speaker
I do like that we're getting the doubling season reprint with the Monster Goose. It's what it deserves. That card is a monster as well. It's never done anything fair, ever.
00:33:40
Speaker
It's so funny though, because it's one of the most green cards out there if you ask me. Oh yeah, it is. And I love it for that. I have this friend in my tabletop group who plays nothing but green, and doubling season is in every fucking one of this man's decks. And it just sparks so much joy for him every time he plays it. And that's what magic is all about.
00:34:08
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And then I was playing on stream last weekend and somebody made like 30 tokens with it in one turn. And even though I removed it, it was too late. You can't get rid of it. Yeah.
00:34:30
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got rid of it the first chance I could and it was already too late. Yeah, there's just so much value with that card that it's just such a fucking brick shit house of a card, man. But yeah, it is so green. I just can't.
00:34:50
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It's one of the quintessential green cards to me too. It's one of those ones where I think about that when I think about the color, it's like ghostly prison or something for white effects. I think about those a lot as well. Lightning bolt in red and counterspell in blue. Yeah. I think, yeah, doubling in green is just, you know, it's a perfect fit. And now we have we have doubling goose. Goosening season.
00:35:20
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Goosening season. Oh, that's terrifying. Yeah, I don't want to think about that either. I went to St. Louis once for a book promo event and I decided to kill some time before I had to do the event by going to the St. Louis Zoo and the St. Louis Museum which are right next to each other.
00:35:40
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When I was approaching, I think it was like the cafeteria area of the zoo, there was a goose in my path. And I just turned and walked the fuck away. I was really hungry, but I was like, nope, I'm not doing this. That goose is the size that I am. I'm not going to win that fight.
00:36:04
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For those of you who have never met me, I am very small. I'm four feet nine. So
Q&A with Kate
00:36:11
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I am brave enough to admit I would probably lose a fight to a goose. You know, I can admit that about myself. I am six foot and I'm not, I'm not so keen on my chances against the goose either.
00:36:30
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Yeah. So story three, we also get, we get our, uh, you know, reveal the Ash Yaks involved somehow with the, you know, and, uh, Rowan's aunt Arietta is, you know, behind the curse or at least partially involved with it. And it was like, Hey Rowan, how do you, you come join me? Everybody can have a peaceful nap. Wouldn't you like a nap?
00:36:58
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It's, she would like a nap, but even more than a nap, she would like to be accepted. And Aria is like one of two characters, Royce being the other, who isn't afraid of Rowan in the course of this story and is just like, yeah, it shit sucks, don't it? And Rowan's like, yeah, shit does suck. And they can proceed on that. And I think that, you know, with Rowan being where she is,
00:37:28
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she's so vulnerable and having somebody who understands her even in the smallest, most far off way. It's so much what she was craving that she can't help but just fall into it fully. And we see later that she's even struggling with some of the magic techniques that it involves because
00:37:49
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you know, putting people to sleep isn't exactly a very red thing to do. It's not something that Rowan has explicitly practiced for. But she wants to learn because she wants to try and enforce this order and keep people safe and make sure that no one ever hurts her, her realm, the people that she cares about ever again. And she wants to learn more from her aunt, who is at this point
00:38:14
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the only member of her family, aside the children, the literal children, who, you know, that she has left. Yeah, it's, you know, she definitely feels like somebody's listening to her for I think the first time in this whole story, if not the first time in a while, because it's the whole
00:38:40
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Strixhaven arc as well. She doesn't feel like Will's listening to her at all. And that's exactly where a lot of this is coming from, too. This frustration that she keeps on saying a way forward and that nobody wants to try doing things her way until it's too late. Mm hmm.
00:39:00
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You know, one thing, and I know it's not something you can answer, but we don't get a clear understanding throughout the story at all what Ashiok's actually getting out of this whole deal or what their benefit is behind here. And, you know, even at the end of the story, it's kind of left open that, you know, they're working with Aria for some reason, and we don't know why, but
00:39:26
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It's very mysterious as to what they're after or what they're getting out of it.
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00:39:31
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It's kind of been the case with Ashiok the whole time they've been in the story.
00:39:39
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The last two big times they were in the story before Marching the Machines, their story never got finished. It got cut short because the comic books and the original Theros block got cut short before they finished. So we never got to see what happened with their storyline there. And then we never got the story for Theros Beyond Death. So Ashiok's always kind of gotten a short end of the stick with story.
00:40:05
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Yeah, I mean, it was fun to write Ashiok here, and I think that we do need to take a moment of appreciation for the fact that Ashiok poking around in Elish Noin's head inadvertently shaped the multiverse. Yes. So what does Ashiok get out of that? The ability to continue living. But what is Ashiok doing on Eldraine in particular? I think that once they heard about the
00:40:34
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you know, Wicked Slumber. And this is all just pure speculation on my part. Yep, it's kind of like an all-you-can-eat buffet to them, really. Yeah. So even though Aria is making sure that a lot of these people are having pleasant dreams, there's certainly a lot of nightmares going on as well. And I think Ashiok is kind of there for the smorgasbord aspect of it.
00:40:59
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It's, it's an easy gig, you know, just teaching Ariat how to manage all of these sleepers. And in exchange for that, they get all you can eat buffet. I'm sure Ariat tosses them some, you know, people who spoke up about her and she wants dealt with and they can just, you know, do all the nightmare torment that they want there. Yeah.
00:41:26
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I also wanted to bring up Troy in this one because it's our first instance where we get to see a non-planar native show up.
00:41:37
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non-planar native, non-planeswalker, just show up in another story. It's pretty cool. Trion's fun. What I like about him is that he's a very... We don't know that much about him, except that he set up his little adventuring booth, and that he was civic in some way. And I kind of dig that. You know, there's a lot of stories that we can tell about him in the future, but for now, I think it's nice that there's just this weird little guy on L train.
00:42:07
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Yeah. I like that we got, you know, this weird Ravnican hanging on an Eldraine. You know, I'm bummed we didn't get a Fibblethip card. I said he should be, he should be in every set from now on. Now that the Omen Paths are open, there should just be a Fibblethip. You know what I would love if Fibblethip was hidden in the art of every set from this arc? Somewhere in the art or something. Just need to get him in every set now. Him in the most cursed planeswalker.
00:42:37
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Yeah. I don't know if that guy still has a spark. I think it's kind of funnier if he does. Yeah, it would be funnier. Someday we'll get a card in a name for him someday. The Deep Lore. Yeah. I'm just one of my favorite characters.
00:43:09
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So yeah, we get the giant adventure. They get to ask the question in the mirror. They find out their last witch is in a frozen castle or their next witch is in a frozen castle. So you're sorry your princess is in another castle, but in this case it's a witch. And it's really, really cold. So we get to play, we get to go see Elsa. We get to see Hilda. Yeah.
00:43:40
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who I've really enjoyed the artwork for. Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah. So more fun facts. Hilda reminded me a lot when I was writing her of an RPG character that I had who kind of met a similar fate where she became this ice witch queen.
00:44:01
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But to do that, she had to forsake basically all of her humanity and all of her connections with people. So when I was writing Hilda, I was very much thinking of her and like when, when I saw the art, I was just like, oh, she looks so awesome too. She kind of looks like leading her within temptation. I don't know if you listen to that. They're a, they're a Dutch band, a rock band. They started off as a goth rock band. I won't go into it, but she does look like Sharon Danadel. And it's very funny to me.
00:44:32
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Yeah. So rather than having to actually fight her, she just straight up surrenders to them after they push through the cold long enough and they're basically like, we're not going to get up, we're going to freeze to death. And she's like, I'm not going to be responsible for freezing to kids to death. And the thing is that Hilda has been by herself for so long that she's kind of forgotten what friendship is like. And
00:44:57
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She's let herself become cool and deadened to a lot of feelings and to see Ruby persisting, even though she knows it's impossible. And for the sake of somebody, like she doesn't have any reason to keep going. It's optional for her, entirely optional. And it's just, it was such a sweet moment to write Hilda realizing that this isn't the life that she wants to live anymore. Yeah.
00:45:27
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She gives up her Ice Crown, which lets Kellen take back to Talion as proof of defeating the Second Witch, and they find out where the last one is, and Captain Arvel, which they all get to go fight. And then we get to have this giant melee between the Sleepers, Patrol by Area, and Rowan versus Will, and everybody
00:45:56
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Emma then shows up again. It's just everybody shows up to fight in the courtyard of it. You might even call it a ballroom blitz. You've been saving that one now. It might have been.
00:46:22
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Yes, the ballroom blitz occurs and we have in the middle of all of that Rowan and Will having their confrontation scene.
00:46:30
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against one another where all of these issues really come to a head because Will has gone and done exactly what he said he would. He's united a whole bunch of people from across the realms and he's inspired Imidane and taught things out with her and Imidane after having gone through her own arc has come to realize that there's value in unity. She's seen that in Kellen and Ruby's relationship and now she's kind of pursuing it herself with Will
00:46:59
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And they have this confrontation where Rowan's trying to explain where she is and why she's so hurt and Will's trying to explain that, you know, he figured it out and everything's going to be okay. And they're just not seeing eye to eye. They're kind of talking around each other and just talking at odds.
00:47:21
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And then, of course, we have Will saying that he doesn't know her anymore. And that's really the final nail for Broann in the coffin of their relationship, because once he says that, she just can't fathom talking to him on the same level anymore. Yeah. And. They, you know.
00:47:47
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They've been fighting each other since they were little kids. So they're, you know, they know all of each other's moves and they don't, they definitely magically are pretty well matched against each other. Like I said earlier, it's kind of their perfect red, blue counterbalance to each other.
00:48:08
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they know exactly what's going to happen and Will has at this point seen the kind of power that Rowan can muster herself and he doesn't try to outdo her in that regard. He just tries to capture by surprise or endure or
00:48:26
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you know pin her down in a way that will deny her access to those things which is I think an important aspect of the fight as well and of course Rowan is trying to be so aggressive as to not let him get the chance to do any of that yeah you know and you really get to that you have like the one line from her at power is the only thing that matters and that is like
00:48:52
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you know, just so black. Well, it's it's an echo of what Aria said earlier, is that power is what has helped her get to where she is and has had her, you know, keep her family safe for all of this time and let her live a life of her own determination is that power and ambition. And I think that, you know,
00:49:15
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Rowan is an interesting character because she's interacted as somebody like Liliana before, although a Liliana who's at a very different point in her life. But Liliana is somebody who has kind of pinned her entire life on ambition and is only just now starting to turn over a new leaf and try to figure out what her life is going to be now that she's kind of secured it for herself at last.
00:49:39
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Rowan's at the exact opposite point to that, where, you know, she had a fairly good family life, and now she's lost it all, and she feels like she needs that power in order to keep herself safe. Yeah, it's... And she takes off, you know, pretty much at the end,
00:50:09
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Yeah. She's told to take off. She doesn't want to. She does not want to, but... Yeah, if it was up to Rowan, she probably would have kept fighting. But I think that one of the main things that... There's two things there. There's First Area telling her you need to take off and we'll regroup later. This isn't the end. And there's also this idea that if she does lose this fight,
00:50:37
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And if she gets taken in, so to speak, if she gets jailed, or if Will takes her hostage, whatever you want to call it, takes her in for justice, she becomes somebody that Will forgave. Yeah, she seems more concerned about being forgiven than she does about the fact that she's the one who betrayed her brother.
00:51:02
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Because I don't think she thinks of it as betrayal, necessarily. Yeah. No, I don't think she does. She thinks she's, you know, she's doing the right thing. What she's horrified at there is not necessarily the idea of being forgiven because she doesn't really think that Will can forgive her because he doesn't understand her, right? They're not operating on the same level. But she hates the idea of being reduced to.
00:51:29
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the sister that Will forgave in the public eye. Right. And after that, we get the, Kellen decides not to cash in his favor for taking out the three witches. He decides to just go home and ask Mal.
00:51:49
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Yeah, because he's a good boy and he plays by good boy rules. Italian doesn't. So, Kellan decides that he'll take his ball and he'll go home, which is quite literally what he does. He asks his mom about it instead. And we find out that his dad is none other than Oko. Stupid sexy Oko. Yeah. Oh.
00:52:18
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Boy, they, uh, it was like, yeah, if you're going to go for a fae, you might as well go, you go for the, the one that, the one that's well known for causing problems on L-Train. He certainly is. And I think that this relationship does make a lot of what he did in L-Train even more interesting to me. Yeah.
00:52:46
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because he had this woman that he clearly cared a lot about. And part of the reason that he despised Eldraine was because of this system of order that they had in place. And that system was something that inflicted harm on Callan's mother because she had been studying to become a witch. Yeah, and that was something that he seemed
00:53:14
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to be upset about. The one thing that I was like, oh, it didn't quite make sense in the retrospective. In the first book, he was looking for info on Eldraine when it seemed like someone had spent a lot of time there would know more about that. But that easily kind of be explained by the fact that obviously the story was written later. And I'm sure that
00:53:39
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this idea came up much later, you know, wasn't anything like that planned in advance. We tried to make the pieces fit as best we can. Yeah. And when you're working with this, you know, it worked out pretty good. Yeah, I thought that was that was a really cool touch. I would have found it hilarious if Kellen had a card as broken as Oko's was and got banned in multiple formats, but his card seems just
00:54:07
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Just nice. He's fun. I mean, he's a Boris commander. I'm actually building a Kellen deck right now. And yeah, it's Sir Gwyn is probably my favorite in terms of Voltron decks, because I cannot exist without Black. But Kellen is still pretty fun. It's too bad Hobbs isn't on to talk about a Sir Gwyn deck. Oh, Hobbs has a Gwyn deck? Yeah, his daughter's name is Gwyn, so he has a Sir Gwyn deck.
00:54:38
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Uh, it's brutal. It's very brutal. That armored sky hunter. Oh man. Armored sky hunter in Sir Gwen is just such good tech. I, I, every time I draw that card, I'm like, oh, it's, it's all over for you guys now. Yeah. So yeah. Uh, he has a really awesome Sir Gwen deck. I'll have to ask him about it. See his list. Yeah.
00:55:08
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Stumpy, stumpy. What I love about my Sir Gwyn deck too is that it's also the most brain-off deck I own. I don't have to worry about anything. We do have to have those. Play equipment, turn knights sideways. That's all I do. That's my Tosky deck. I just play creatures and then I cast overrun.
00:55:32
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Yeah, that'll do it. Yeah, I have I have all these squirrels that draw me cards when they deal damage. And then when I have enough squirrels, I make them big and. That's it. Easy game plan. All right, so we have some questions that were sent in on Twitter and our discord. You got some time to answer some. Yeah, of course. A little long, but no, I'm fine. Hit me. All right. What have we got?
00:56:04
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So from Space Bellerin, what would you want as a reward for completing a magical quest? That's a good question. What would I want as a reward? I would want a nice house that I didn't have to pay taxes on in an area of my choosing that me and my family could live in.
00:56:28
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That's all I want. It's a very boring answer, but having just a place to be and not having to worry about that, I think would be a very powerful reward for me personally. That is a nice reward. Thank you, Radley. What is Lydia Tarr's color identity, Chris R.D. 19? All right, so if you haven't seen the incredible Cape Landship movie, Tarr, you should.
00:56:59
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So, obviously, when we're dealing with Lydia Tarr, we're dealing with a composer. The Lydia Tarr theme deck, which I've built, yes, I've built up one already, uses Zify as a stand-in for Lydia. And I think that is it would be a strong component. However, as demonstrated repeatedly in the movie, Lydia is nothing if not horrifically ambitious to the detriment of everyone around her. So I think that the truest Lydia Tarr would be Grixx's.
00:57:27
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All right. Is there a magic character you'd like to write that you haven't gotten a chance to yet from interesting MTG? Liliana Vess. Yeah.
00:57:37
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That's a Liliana is my favorite magic card. I've got magic character rather. I've got the gigantic Liliana statue that my partners got me as an anniversary present one year. I Liliana is a large reason why I got into magic her and Avacyn both. I would also love to have written something about Avacyn, but obviously that's
00:57:58
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Kind of flown the coop now, has to. But Liliana is one that I'm constantly begging the magic story team to let me write. I wrote her for a small bit in March of the Machine, but I'd love to have her as a central character. Yeah, she only had a tiny little cameo. Which MTG character should fall through an Omen path and go on an adventure with Kellen from Not Quotable?
00:58:24
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Ah, who would go on an adventure with Kalan? You know what I want to see? I want to see Kalan in Angarath go on an adventure. Because he's such a dad. And I feel like Kalan has a lot of conflicting feelings about dads right now. So he could really use somebody like that. And I think it's either him or Nashi. I think I would want to see him go on an adventure. Nashi could definitely use some time in a way with a good
00:58:49
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And I think that, like, Kellen being so bright and happy, but not, you know, unseen. I think Kellen realized that there's a lot going on there with Nashi. But I think that they could help each other. And I think that they'd be very good friends. Great. What other planeswalker would you like to see or write the child of from JC? Bunch of numbers. It's probably cheating just to say Lillian.
00:59:21
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Just imagine Liliana's child. I mean, I think that would be a cool thing to explore. But let's see, walkers who can have, I'm trying to think who would be cool to see a kid of.
00:59:36
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I feel like Raoul's kid being a complete opposite to him would be very fun to write. Oh. Because Raoul's so fucking chaotic and Tomic is very, you know, by the book. And I think it would be funny if they had like a green-aligned child. Yeah. Like some little gruel shit heel.
00:59:58
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No, Daz, I hate technology. I hate technology. I hate the law. I'm going to go break things. Fucking Enarco Capital. Yeah, Rowland. Rowland would be awesome.
01:00:23
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Assuming they're all safe after the invasion, which of the five Ikoria apexes would you like to bond with? Oh, I don't even have to think about that. That snapped X. Easy.
01:00:34
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I really like cats. I think cats are cool. I'm horrifically allergic to them. I especially like monster cats in fiction and folklore. And icing on the cake here is that I play a lot of Mardu as evidenced by me just talking about Sir Gwynne Bunch. So it's Snapdax and it's not even close. What has been the biggest challenge or the most rewarding aspect of writing magic story chapters from Spooky Skelemen?
01:01:04
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So the most rewarding aspect of it is definitely, well, there's two things here. There's one being able to contribute something to magic, which has contributed so much to my life. And there's also seeing the way that people react to the stories. And I actually got a comment the other day that somebody was just starting magic story with Wilds of Eldraine and it
01:01:26
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put me into this place of remembering when I was just starting magic and I read the story about the Geist of Saint Traft and being able to be that person and that entry point for somebody meant so much to me. But also seeing all of the stuff that people do with the story, talking to people who are passionate about it has been really rewarding. In terms of challenging, I mean,
01:01:53
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There's always going to be people who misinterpret things that you write. And sometimes it can be a little tricky when you know in your head how something is supposed to play off and it doesn't quite go the way that you expect. But even within that, there's space to learn and to kind of do some reflection about your writing and refine the things that you want to bring forward and how you approach certain ideas.
01:02:24
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What are some uncommon wilds of Eldraine legends you'd love to expand the lore of from games and cats? Oh, what a lovely name. Let's see. I was looking through Eldraine cards earlier today. Obviously, SirGinger deserves a whole story because I think we all want to see that. We all want to know what's going on there. No, we have a related question. Let's go ahead and get to this one now. If you were to do a side story with SirGinger, how would it go from LevDev?
01:02:53
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I think now, obviously, Sir Ginger has some sort of grudge against planeswalkers, right? I think that we need to delve into that. We need to figure out which walker it was, right? Whether this was somebody who was eating gingerbread people before Sir Ginger's very eyes and, you know, devoured the village, so to speak. And Sir Ginger is the fucking vengeance motivated Luke Skywalker, who has just lost his family on Tatooine.
01:03:21
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and has now taken up arms to seek revenge. I want to find out who that walker was, and I want to see Sir Ginger go on that quest of vengeance, but then we zoom the story out a little bit, and it's just like, you know, a cookie poking at somebody's ankle. I think that's how I would do it. So going back to, are there other of the uncommon legends
01:03:50
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that were interesting to you? I think Neva's pretty cool. I like a lot of the art for her. And I think that there's a lot of spooky stuff you can do with it. We haven't seen all the cards for her archetype, I don't think yet. So I would like to see more of that. I would like to know if she has some sort of relationship to Ariet as well, because we kind of see that in the archetyping of the story, right? Because Ariet's the wicked stepmother from Snow White, rather, the wicked queen.
01:04:20
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Snow White is Niva. It's all there. So I want to see if they have any kind of relationship is I think what I would build out. All right. At what liberty are you given to create or use side secondary characters when writing magic story from Cody plays? It depends. Depends on the story and it depends on how things land.
01:04:47
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Obviously it's a collaborative process and I'm very lucky to have a great team at the Magic Story team and we have a very good relationship. So if something doesn't work, we're pretty good at trying to find either another way to make it work or some way to leave a trace of it within the story. But within Wilds of Eldraine, Imidane and Royce were probably the two that I had the most liberty with.
01:05:14
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Imidane was, in the story originally, there was this idea that Will would challenge somebody and that he would lose that challenge soundly and that Rowan would split the mountain into and that character became Imidane. Royce was not in the outline at all. I just made that up on the spot. But I ended up really liking her. I like this idea of this
01:05:40
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you know, spider lady who uses a glamour to get through the rest of their day and operate with people outside the village, but everybody in the village kind of already knows who she is and they're fine with it. I think we needed good, so to speak, Faye, who aren't terrorizing people and can live in harmony with them.
01:06:02
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Yeah, that's awesome. Last question. I was particularly curious about the Wolf Knight being called Peter. Again, not sure if that was important of a set plot or just a shout out to Peter and the Wolf. Yeah, it's Peter and the Wolf. His name was Peter from the start. So there's nothing really very much to go into there. It's Peter and the Wolf, but it's also Red Riding Hood. It's kind of both of them in one, just a mixing of the stories.
01:06:32
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Great, so that's everything that I have taught. I mean, I could keep talking about the story and the art and the cards and everything for the set for a lot longer, but we've already had you on for quite a while. Really appreciate it. Once again, thank you for coming. Always love having you on the show. Thank you for writing these stories. Enjoy reading them.
01:06:57
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Of course. Thank you for reading them. And, you know, thank everybody for reading them. I'm always happy to be here, always happy to talk about magic story. If you ever see me at any events and want to talk to me about magic story, I'm usually pretty open to that. Is it, is it plug time? Do I, do I plug things here? Well, I'll start plugging, you know, go read, go read Kay's other work. Uh, the tiger's daughter and the rest of the ascendant series, uh, very good, highly recommended. I was reading them while I was getting my tattoo done.
01:07:29
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I didn't know that. How was that? It was great. It was very gay. I enjoyed it. It's extremely gay. Yes. Please do buy The Tiger's Daughter, critically acclaimed novel, and blurbed by none other than Seanan McGuire, who wrote the main story for All Will Be One, as well as the only Hugo-nominated magic story, Tangles.
01:07:54
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Seanan actually blurbed my debut novel, and then we ended up working on Magic together, which is very fun. And it's very nice to be friends now.
01:08:03
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But, you know, Tiger's Daughter is very close to earning out. And the more people that buy it, the closer I am to being able to buy a bacon, egg and cheese with my royalty money. And I would really love to be able to do that. It would make me so happy. I would not shut up about it on Twitter. So please, pretty please buy the Tiger's Daughter and do not buy it secondhand if possible.
01:08:27
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You'll enjoy it. Trust me. If you like really good queer fantasy, it's fantastic. If Tarkir is your favorite block, if you like sword duels, if you like revolutionary girl, Lieutenant, if you like old Sean Barrow movies, please check it out. Yeah.
01:08:49
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Great. Anything else you want to plug? Yes. So on top of writing for Magic the Gathering, I also wrote a short story for Lucasfilm.
01:08:59
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And that is included in, from a certain point of view, Return of the Jedi, which will probably be out by the time that you're hearing this because it releases on August 22nd. So it's about to come out. Please check it out. It's awesome. It's got works by not just me, but 40 other authors centering on side characters from Return of the Jedi. There's a whole lot in there, pretty much if you're
01:09:28
Speaker
even vaguely a Star Wars fan, there will be something in there that you adore. I know you will. My short story is about the guy that Luke Force kicks. If you wanted to know how much of a Star Wars nerd I am, he was the guy that I was like, oh, yes, I might only have one chance to write a Star Wars story. This is who I'm going for.
01:09:51
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Okay, I was just gonna ask you, how was it to write a Star Wars story? But I think we got your answer. It was incredible.
01:09:59
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It was honestly a dream come true. When I started writing fiction, it was pie in the sky to be like, I want to write for Star Wars and Magic the Gathering. And here I am doing both of those things. So it means a lot to me. And I would very much appreciate if you checked it, checked them both out. Awesome. Well, thanks again. And I hope you have a great night. Yeah, have a great night.
01:10:28
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And that's our show for today. You can find all of the hosts on Twitter for now. Hobbs can be found at HobbsQ, Tay can be found at Taya Transcendence, and Alex can be found at Mel underscore Chronicler. Feel free to send us any questions, comments, thoughts, hopes, and dreams to the Goblin Lord pod on Twitter, or email us at goblinlordpodcast at gmail.com.
01:10:50
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If you would like to support your friendly neighborhood gobsugs, our link tree can be found on our Twitter account and in the description of today's show. This has everything from various discount codes to the link from our Patreon. The music for today's show was by Wintergotten, who can be found at vintergotten at bandcamp.com. The art was done by Steven Raphael, who can be found at Steve Ruffle on Twitter. Goblin Lore is proud to be presented by Hipsters of the Coast as part of their growing Vorthos content.
01:11:18
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Check them out on Twitter at hipsters MTG or online at hipstersofthecoast.com. Thank you for listening and remember goblins like snowflakes are only dangerous in numbers.