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Speaker: So welcome back listeners. This is Josh Downing and this is That TV Sound that where we're going to talk about music from the Gen X point of view. Well, actually it's my my view and Tyler's view. So everybody else has to just listen and deal with it. That's right. I'm here with my guest host, Tyler.
Speaker: yo That's Tyler. ah And ah the name, so the year that I drew for today's talk is 1982. Cool. Yeah. Right.
Speaker: Not 81, not 84, not 83, but 1982, sort of right at the the beginning of that wave of absolutely mind blowing music that just kind of took over my life. I know for sure.
Speaker: going to, I'm going to start this one by saying, ah what was your look in 1982? Yeah. Oh, wow. That's so funny. um oh my gosh. 1982. So I'm, where am I?
Speaker: i think I'm grade eight. Yeah. yeah ah Yeah. So it was mostly just band shirts. You know what mean? Like that, that was really the only way I was expressing myself. um The girls sort of had it easier You know what I mean?
Speaker: yeah With me, it was just band shirts and how I was wearing my hair. you know, that was about it. And there was always rules like you can't dye your hair. i'm like, well, we'll see about that.
Speaker: You know, you just do it anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Good old Hiscott on Yonge Street where they had every color you could think of. um I think they're still there. Anyway, not important.
Speaker: Oh, it's very important because somebody might want to go get their hair done. Oh, you know, they should really sponsor this. Totally. They should sponsor. We need some hair salon sponsors. When it's the 80s, it needs to be Hitchcock.
Speaker: Or Depp. Oh, yeah, yeah, totally. Or what Wella Balsam. Was that the hairspray? That was one of them, yeah. It one of the aluminum cans. I can't remember. There was the with the great big tall can. It was just like...
Speaker: Yeah, it had like the Eiffel Tower on it. Yeah, totally. Yeah. yeah And it was like glue, crazy glue for your hair. I was so lucky because my mom was a hairdresser. oh right.
Speaker: But she was also kind of weird about it. She was kind of like, I don't really want to do that to your hair. i really don't think you want to have purple hair. Yes, I do. don't think you want to shave those lines in your head. Oh, I do.
Speaker: Do you really want this tail? Yes. Down to the floor. But at the same time, too, if I did something, she was always like, well, why didn't you let me do it? I'm like, because you didn't want to. That's so funny. Yeah, it was so funny anyway.
Speaker: and Totally. All right. So when we come back in just a moment, we're going to talk the music of 1982. We're also going to talk about some of the live shows because there was a lot of live shows for me in 82. And hopefully there was some for Tyler as well. yes We'll be back in just one second.
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Speaker: So I think, I think 82 was... The end of grade 10, the beginning... No, it can't be grade 11. 83, 84. grade 10 for me.
Speaker: It was kind of the beginning of my whole movement. started then... my whole movement so it it started then But i was still I was still exploring music from 81, obviously, and 80 and 79 and 78. Those more important years. Oh, they it's so incredibly important years.
Speaker: And I had so much to explore. So I think that um grade 10, that was the year that ah I shaved my head before I went back to school that year.
Speaker: That was the first time I just went all in punk or nothing. Um, everything was different. Pierced my ear. my mom pierced my ear because she was a hairdresser and she had a piercing gun. So she was like, okay, you sure you want this? You sure you want, is it the right ear? Cause back then that was a big deal. Right. And, so my, uh, I went into the room with the razor and went good and I took a big chunk out that was way shorter than I thought it was doing. I thought I just want some spikes, but no,
Speaker: when you've got an electric razor on your head, there's no spikes. And the hair is always coming back. So you don't to worry about it. Yeah. Yeah. At first everybody was like, what did you do? And I'm like, it's just shorter than it was like no big deal. That's funny. But yeah, 82 was, uh, was my all in year.
Speaker: I didn't have any hair dye yet, but I was, I was experimenting with stuff and that was, that was a crazy year. I think that was my, my adamant year too. It's amazing how huge he was and how important he was. And i don't really think he got the recognition outside of England that he deserved. I don't think the world really got it.
Speaker: You know what I mean? The fans did, but totally to be that huge and it just never really come over here. like i get that happens all the time.
Speaker: and I don't know if he was just too ahead of his time, but like how was he that successful and just not that big of a name over here was a little weird. Yeah, and I was okay with that.
Speaker: Oh yeah, i totally get it. Right. and i I mean, I never got to see him live, um but his look was so incredible and it was so easy for me to just do something that could look like adamant.
Speaker: You know, I would go to bumpers with the white stripe and the black eyeliner um because I could, i could get away with that. And I didn't have that really cool, you know buccaneer jacket or any pirate stuff.
Speaker: ah I did end end up with a pirate shirt at one point, but i didn't really have a lot that. So I just wore lots of belts and I wore the boots and tied lots of handkerchiefs all over myself. And that was my look.
Speaker: And I would just like, I would draw the ant logo on all my stuff. And I was just obsessed. That's so funny to say that because like I used to wear a lot of belts and handcuffs and my dad hated me wearing handcuffs. I'm like, well, deal with it.
Speaker: Right. It's a look. I think I had chains and things. Yeah. just going to do it more. not Totally. right. So what, what was it? What was your, what was your artist? Yeah.
Speaker: Well, the funny thing, when you say 1982, to me that smash hits. Yeah. that's That's, you know, I'm now getting that magazine downtown every week without fail. Well, i guess every other week without fail. um And everybody's a hero because 81 was so massive. But 82 is just sort of a carryover. yeah You know what I mean? um But there's there there are important things happening in 82. Like 82 was in the name of love.
Speaker: yes it started the year off so you know that's just that in itself is really interesting to me for them to say oh well this is interesting we can make money and we're the core so we're leaving and we're taking the name you know, right put on them, you know, um fun boy three found banana Rama found fun boy three. So, you know, those percussion singles blew my mind. I worshiped both, both bands, you know, ABC were back with poison arrow it was like, you're getting serious at this point, you know, and then along comes look of love and the lexicon of love album. And it was like, wow.
Speaker: you guys are on fire you know long way from tears are not enough um altered images were still plugging along white boy by culture club you know was yes oh i bought that just based on the sleeve you know never dreaming that they would be massive yeah but yeah that's an important single I didn't care for Hungry Like the Wolf, but Duran were certainly, you know, unstoppable, you know. um
Speaker: Softsell's Torch came out, and I would say they were really great at 12-inch singles, and the Torch 12-inch is superb. um I think Come On Eileen, as popular as it was, was probably my single of the year. Was it really? i think so. I think so because I never tired of it. I just never tired of it.
Speaker: And it was a bit of a struggle that year. And I would come home and listen to that single over and over and over and over. And so I kind of think, even if it's just nostalgic, you know there is a second single that I might say was number one. But I i have to admit it. It was probably Dexys.
Speaker: Oh, yeah. Wham with Wham rap and young guns. I was just like, who are these guys? I love them. I absolutely love them. Not so much after this, but you know,
Speaker: that that early rap album was a lot of fun. Yeah, it was an amazing album. you know And Bad Boys, what a great single. you know i mean because They're just young and having fun.
Speaker: you know Like Hazy Fantazy and John Wayne is Big Leggy. Loved them. we just you know just And Don't Go.
Speaker: That's on my list. there like Oh, oh, sorry. Duran's Hold Back the Rain. Yep. Cheryl, if you're listening, i know you're laughing right now because you know I talk about that song all the time because I do because it's perfect. Whatever version it is, it's wonderful.
Speaker: Yeah. And then all of a sudden, here's the video for Do You Really Want to Hurt Me? And it's like, whoa. pretty gutsy, pretty major, you know what i mean? And, you know, just, you know, it was the start of Culture Club just being massive, you know, and that could have gone the exact opposite way yeah as it would later years, but they were very lucky very lucky in the way they handled everything. yeah you know um
Speaker: We were talking about Heaven 17 and 84, and I'm like, oh, important 12-inch. But I'm thinking... let me go, which is 82. That's 82. Yeah. That's a big 12 inch. That's the big 12 inch I was saying. Yeah. Like that was a, I'm pushing everybody out of the way to get my center spot on the dance floor because this is my song. So I get out of the way. ah Yeah. I remember doing that. Yes. Yeah. And I wasn't even a drunk. Like I didn't drink when I went out because I didn't have the money for it. And I was also the driver. So I would just go to dance. So I'm like, when that doo, doo, doo, doo came on, I'm like, get out of my way. Seriously, get of my way. so well produced. like just It's perfect. Yeah. you
Speaker: um It's funny, there's some L's here. There's Lifeline, Let Me Go, Lies, Let's Go to Bed. like like just it never stopped. It never stopped. And Never Surrender by Romeo Boyd.
Speaker: oh Phenomenal, phenomenal. And you know Crimes of Passion. And then my second favorite single ended the year and that was Mystery Boy by a Culture Club, which only came out in Japan. Go figure, but an excellent single. So yeah. So like it was it was a big year you know and when you're young and everybody is that cool and you know every single is more exciting than the last single and
Speaker: You know, it's it's ah I can't imagine it being like that currently for anybody. You know, i could be wrong, but, you know, just it's amazing how you could have like a top 20 back then and every single act is different.
Speaker: h But they're all cool, you know. Yeah, you're totally right. And it it once again, and it was still part of that that you know ah British takeover where we were just, that wave was just starting to hit North America.
Speaker: Because I had access, I knew people that were, you know, that had connections to Britain. My best friend was, her family was from Scotland. So she kind of knew what was going on. she She knew where to take me to find all the Smash Hits magazines and stuff.
Speaker: id magazine and all that amazing stuff face so i yeah face magazine i had access to stuff so i knew kind of what i liked and what was happening but then when it started coming to america it was like whoa like duran duran you know went from a small club in vancouver to playing the coliseum like matt and it was just in a matter of of two years or three years and Just an enormously amazing musical year.
Speaker: All the bands you mentioned, plus I've i've got on my list, ah Depeche Mode had a broken frame out that year. And it was such an incredible, different album from what they had done before.
Speaker: My friend Jamie used to play that on his boombox on the on the bus. you know This is like public transit on our way to school. And I used to think, like you're not badass, but it's just like he couldn't help himself. He had to play music yeah for everybody who's on that bus. And everybody hated it.
Speaker: You know what i mean? And Depeche was a big one with him. you know But it was just kind of funny because I always think of him when I think about early Depeche Mode. And just playing that radio, like full blast to the back of the bus and nobody complaining, but nobody talking either.
Speaker: Well, that's because they were all thinking in their heads, wow, this is really amazing. Such a departure. That's that F music. Yeah. yeah Spandau Ballet had Diamond out in, uh, 82.
Speaker: Ultravox had Quartet. Quartet was huge. Simple Minds, um, Yazoo and Situation. Massive 12. Situation. Massive. Just huge. I think I probably wore my copy out. Yeah. because i There was another, pick up the needles, play it again.
Speaker: you remember David? i don't know if you remember, he had he had that version. that just sampled um came in from the city over and over that's all it was and i could i never got tired of it i could listen to that version all the time and it's just the one line over and over again it' just like what is it about situation that you have to dance and you love it and it's perfect and that's that right and it doesn't even though it's got a very classic sound, it doesn't really feel dated. don't know if that's because of her voice, you know, but, or the, just the quality of the, of the production, but like situation, you just don't get tired of it. No, no, it's, it's still, it's pretty much a perfect song. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's just one of those ones that, you know, if you, if you're going to try to capture an electronic pop sound, that's it right there.
Speaker: you know, it's already done for you. And America liked it, so aren't they lucky? You know what I mean? Like the band is lucky, you know? And because, um, at that time I had just started going to the teen club, I think shortly after I started going to love affairs. So I was already starting to to like discover, you know, craft work and human league and, um, Japan, all those amazing bands. That early start. That was so great. Yeah. DAF is one of the bands that I also loved.
Speaker: Just amazing club sound just for dancing. was so incredible. um Spando Ballet, I think I mentioned Blamange had Living on the Ceiling, another Get Out of My Way song, I'm Dancing. That's so funny. I love that. I love that. I know exactly you're talking about. And I don't want to say anything, but like you you go out to the middle and you'd be like, okay, you're not cool enough to be here and yeah you're not cool enough to be here, so if you'll just give me some space. Yes. I need this too because I spin and I flail.
Speaker: This is this for me, not you. so all that's I forgot about that. But yeah, that was a thing. that would certainly me Whether I was at at Bumpers or at Love Affair, it didn't matter. That's what I was doing. Hilarious.
Speaker: Yeah. So the funny thing is I forgot to... make a note here of what my oh yeah there was so my my song of the year for 1982 was yes you situation okay okay it just it couldn't be beat there was so much amazing music that year but that particular song that single was like i bought the single the second that i saw it at phantasmagoria on granville street and uh i'm like that's it that's that's it so right there that's my soundtrack
Speaker: I loved buying records back then just based on the sleeve or the label. He just knew it was going to be something good. Although Yazoo's sleeves weren't great, and I feel bad for criticizing them. But no at a time when everybody put so much effort into it it, kind of felt like they didn't. But hopefully they were doing exactly what they wanted to do.
Speaker: Yeah, you know, it's funny you mentioned that buying something based on the label. There is one album that stuck in my head because I was so afraid of what it was going to be like. I had no idea. No idea. I'm just a kid in a record store.
Speaker: i've got $20 burning a hole in my my wallet. And there's this British import and it was called speak and spell by Depeche mode. And it was a goose wrapped in cellophane. Right. Right. I don't even know if that's what it was, but I'm like, well, by a bit a swan I don't know. Yeah. I'm like, I don't care.
Speaker: i am buying this record and it better be the best thing I've ever bought. And it was, so I was, I was not disappointed, but that's one that I was looking at the cover going, I just don't know.
Speaker: i just don't know. Yeah. So funny. I don't know what these people are doing, but I thought, no, you know, I'm just going to do it. I think that's probably the day that I went and spent $75 at, uh, at the most chic hair salon in Vancouver. It was called zero F $75 to get my haircut. That's a million dollars.
Speaker: It was every single penny I had. my gosh. And I went into the picture of ah Tom Bailey. Oh, yeah. And they just went, okay, whatever, kid. You only have like an inch of hair. So good luck. Oh, we'll take your $75. That's so funny. Yeah, because with Tom, it was like, okay, I'm dying my hair orange, dying my hair orange. Oh, he's changed it to red. Oh, okay. God, now start dying it red, dying it red.
Speaker: So funny. Yep. Yep. I had that red in my hair for the longest time. Yeah. Yeah. Because my mom it was one of the colors my mom had. I think it was called that deep auburn or something. Okay. And so it was easy for me to get. Just go to the cupboard and pour some on my head.
Speaker: Did you have the black on the sides and the back? Yep. I did that too. And then I did the the David Silvian version where I was blonde at front and then red at the back. Yep. Yep. Yep. Man, I guess kids kids still do this kind of stuff. well Well, I've started, so I'll keep talking. Have you noticed how many senior women do that now? they have like this like They'll have like purple hair, and then they have like this one other like cream color like you know off to one side. And I'm like, what is that? And a lot of them have it. And I don't think they're cool kids in their senior years. I think it's just a thing, and I don't really care for it. No. I think what you're forgetting is that these senior women are probably two years younger than you. Yeah. And they probably were pretty cool back in the eighties. I don't know. And some, some, uh, 25 year old kid in a hair salon and a first cuts is like, Hey, I could do something really cool. And they're like, yeah, i just do it.
Speaker: Yeah. It reminds me of my youth. It's so funny. Totally cool. I love that. I think it's amazing. If I had hair, trust me, I would, it would not be normal. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. I don't think I'd have my, my Mohawk, but it would certainly not be normal. I still burst the phantom bangs from my face every day, which is ridiculous. must've done it like so many times that I still do it where I'm like, Oh, like bangs out of the way. Yeah. Right on flip. Yeah. That's very funny. Get the mop out of my eyes. really funny Can't see my drink.
Speaker: Uh, yeah, exactly. Um, so the next thing I want to talk about really quickly uh, live shows. Cause I, I, when I was kind of preparing myself for this, I thought, you know what, I got to really think about this because I have such a bad memory and I never remember who I saw when I saw them.
Speaker: So I did some digging around and there were four significant shows in 82 that took place in Vancouver. One was the jam and that was at cares Dale. And that was, that was a a tough one for me because that was a, it was a challenging point. i mean, that, that summer, and that year was a bit of a challenge for me as a kid.
Speaker: Um, but I ended up going to that show with every last penny in my bank account. Cool. Some friends of mine were going, I'm like, I just got to get out of the house. Yeah.
Speaker: Went to the show, was not a fan, was very distracted. i don't even remember the show. i remember that after the show, we went to the love affair and I'm like, okay, that's cool. That's funny.
Speaker: Um, but yeah, so I can say I saw the jam. That's big deal. see I remember the jam, but that was, that was significant. That was a significant show.
Speaker: I almost saw the Go-Go's that year. Okay. So they came to the Pacific Coliseum and a bunch of my friends were like, this was early in, in the year as well. They played that place. Yeah. Isn't that weird? So a bunch of my friends are like, Oh, we all got tickets to go. And I'm like, Oh, well, thanks for asking me. and they're like, well, do you have $8? like, well, no Give me three months and I will.
Speaker: Exactly. Let me cut your hair $8. Oh, yeah. That's so funny. um So they were like, well, you don't have a ticket and it's sold out so you can't go. And I'm like, okay, fine. So then, course, who do they want to drive them down there? Me.
Speaker: So they what ended up happening was one of them couldn't go to the show. So they were like, well, if you drive us down, we'll give you her ticket. Yeah.
Speaker: I'm like, okay, that's fair. so I drove them down, parked the car. we all get out of the car we're all excited. We're going to go see the Go-Go's. We get up to the door and who's standing there?
Speaker: the person who said they couldn't go. Oh, you're kidding. She could suddenly go. oh no. So guess who got to go Oh my gosh. my God. And not see the Go-Go's that year. Wow. Yeah. I didn't get to see the Go-Go's. Wow. Now, Depeche Mode played the Commodore Ballroom that year as well. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker: I don't know if I went. I went to a lot of shows at the Commodore, yeah especially in that that first couple of years yeah that I don't really, because I didn't know who the artist was. Okay. So I was like, okay, that was probably pretty cool, but I don't know who they are, what their name was.
Speaker: I don't know if I saw Depeche Mode that year. I wish I did. And I wish I remembered because rumors were that they actually played Love Affair. And I'm like, no, if they played Love Affair, I would have been there.
Speaker: So for sure they didn't. So here's, here's the the big one. Duran Duran, their first big North American tour. They played the Commodore.
Speaker: Right. I didn't have a ticket because I didn't know who they were at the time. friend of mine was like, I've got a ticket. I'm so excited. They're the the biggest thing coming out of Britain. They're so amazing. You just love them. I'm like, okay.
Speaker: And, uh, Next thing you know, the day before the show, he's in the hospital getting his appendix out. Oh my God. Which is what you did back then. it Totally. You're just waiting for your turn. it's going to happen. I know. I never did. i never had to do that. That and tonsils, right? Yeah, totally. never got my tonsils either. never had either of those things. Yeah. Everybody on TV did. Exactly.
Speaker: and everybody also fell in quicksand and drowned. Yeah, that's right. um So, I was at the hospital visiting my friend and he's like, here's my Duran Duran ticket. You have to go. i'm like, all right.
Speaker: And I'm like, okay, still didn't know who they were. i don't think I had a chance to listen to his record. I didn't have the record. So I went down to the Commodore and of course I'm a nerd. So I'm there really early leaning up against the stage, you know, just waiting for the show to come on.
Speaker: They came out and I'm like, wow, they were really good. Like this was an amazing show. these guys are probably going be big one day. That's funny. And I was like two feet away from them because like leaning on the the Commodore ballroom stage.
Speaker: And yeah, didn't think much of it. And the next thing you know, it's like, oh, Duran Duran, you know, they're on the radio. They're everywhere. Every girl is screaming. I'm like, oh, that's Duran Duran. Yeah, they played here. They picked up the album.
Speaker: They played here that tour as well. Yep. Because their next stop here was the Pacific Coliseum. They were a stadium tour within two years. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. with the With their big um Seven and the Ragged Tiger.
Speaker: The, you know, the magazine Classic Pop? Yep. They did their top 100 albums of all time. And I'm flipping through it and I'm at, you know number four, number three, number two. I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. I'm thinking, what's number one? I'm like, what's missing? What haven't I seen yet? And then I turned the page and it was Rio.
Speaker: Rio was classic one album of all time. Yeah. No way. I was like, Oh, right. That is missing. Okay. Yeah. Funny. That's interesting. Yeah. That's above dare. That's above lexicon of love. Really? you know Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, I love Rio. I think it's, it's hands down one of my favorite Duran Duran albums. Well, it's definitely a very 80s album. You know what I mean? like it's a very it's There's so much summed up in the sleeve and the music. you know Totally. So was that was there a live show that you remember that year? i don't think so. I think everybody came the following year because like in 83, I would have seen Altered Images,
Speaker: abc culture club i don't think anybody was here yet because in 82 i think they were still too big at home yeah yeah yeah in 82 i think for for bands like duran duran this was their first run at it in north america and that's why i got to see them at at the commodore yeah because they were just testing the waters yeah they had no idea Yeah, you're lucky that they played there because that really should have probably been, you know, the New York, LA, Toronto, and that's it. you know So it's a big deal that they played there. Yeah, totally. But also a different time too, you know what i mean? Where like new music was very exciting and not discouraged.
Speaker: Yeah. But yeah, really lucky I got to see some shows. And i I really wish I had memories of seeing Depeche Mode because I think that would have been that would have been my concert of the year. Yeah.
Speaker: That's pretty funny. just don't know. I just don't know. Seriously, i just, I don't know. i don't know If you remember Duran, I think you would remember Depeche Mode. I know. It's, I don't know. i i might not have seen them. I might have missed it. Just like how I missed Gary Newman in 79, but I was just a kid. How was how am I supposed to know? get that. Yeah, get I get that. I get that.
Speaker: Totally. There were so many shows where it's just like, I guess I'm going alone because nobody's allowed to go. you know, because we're too young. Totally. i i was lucky too, though, because of my pimply-faced punk look. I looked older than I was. Oh, I get it. Okay. So like I could go into bars and I could go into clubs and I could get into under-19 shows.
Speaker: Yeah. I never had a problem. No. The problem is if you had a girl with you. Yes. Yes. The one time I got carded was just me and a girl. Yeah. And of course they carded her. Otherwise you could walk in anywhere.
Speaker: Yeah. Totally. Because there was never a problem. You never already think about it. Every club, every bar, every liquor store is is not a problem. you know But yeah, there's a girl. That's so funny. Everything changes. I know. Poor girls get picked on.
Speaker: oh my gosh. And they can't drink. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry, girls. You can't drink. Just the boys can get drunk. It's so funny. Yeah. All right. I'm going to ask you just one trivia question then we're going to wrap it up here. Where is my trivia question? I need a good one here. Evo played square pegs.
Speaker: Yeah. I love Square Pegs. We haven't talked about Square Pegs, have we? This is the year. Yeah, totally. Okay, so here's your musical question. What Vancouver band, and I know you love Vancouver bands, had a 1982 hit which asked, Don't It Make You Feel Like Dancing?
Speaker: So I guess I'm confused by, well, hold on. gotta be fair. I love payolas. I know you do. I think that is so odd. So there's a, Oh, I love to even have a Christmas record anyway. Sorry. Christmas single, not Christmas record, but, um, Vancouver.
Speaker: Yeah. oh I didn't know cause I didn't look at the answer and I didn't know it. And i looked at it went, Oh yeah, it's pretty obscure. The only band I really loved from Vancouver was Paola's and Sons of Freedom and anybody else?
Speaker: I don't even know. anyway creeps of wrath Okay. Well, to be fair, I hated them, but I did like that. I am here song.
Speaker: I thought that was really good. um Okay. I have no idea. head pins oh yeah okay yeah i i recognize the song don't it make you feel like dancing yeah that's really funny i certainly haven't thought of them in a long time i know right yeah no yeah really obscure all right on that note That wraps up 1982. Rap boy, rap.
Speaker: So, yeah. So that means I'm going to reach into the jar for our next episode. But until then, ah go check us out on social. ah You can go to Speakpipe if you've got a song or an artist from 1982 that really did it for you. um and if you just need some more episodes to listen to while we're just getting through this Christmas period, you can go listen to some Yabazonker Zoinks wherever you get your awesome podcasts, including this one.
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