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🏆 Super Bowl 59 Recap: Eagles Fly, Chiefs Fall & Hurts’ MVP Moment, DeJean!?!
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Super Bowl 59 is in the books! The Eagles dominate the Chiefs 40-22, with Jalen Hurts securing MVP honors. We break down the key takeaways, Philly’s path to victory, and what went wrong for Mahomes & Co. Plus, we dive into GOAT talk—where do Reid, Mahomes, and Kelce stand against the Patriots dynasty? What’s next for the Chiefs? Is this a redemption moment for Nick Sirianni and Jalen Hurts? And how does Saquon Barkley’s legacy change after this win?
Tune in for all the storylines, QB rankings chaos, and what’s next in the NFL as the 2024-2025 season comes to an end and we begin to talk combine, free agency and draft!
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Transcript
Eagles Clinch Super Bowl 59 Victory
00:00:18
Roger Emeka
Super Bowl 59 is in the books, the 2024-25 season is the books, as the Eagles shellac the Chiefs 40 to 22, Jalen Hertz as the MVP. We're gonna have all the recap, reaction, storylines from, I would say an uneventful Super Bowl 59 and an eventful halftime show. We're not gonna talk about the halftime show, I think there's been enough.
00:00:44
Roger Emeka
band need about that.
Super Bowl Party Highlights
00:00:46
Roger Emeka
But before we get into the meat of today's episode, I want to give a shout out to our boy Nack for hosting an amazing Bush League Super Bowl party.
00:00:55
Fabio
Yes.
00:00:57
Roger Emeka
Had all the fixings, some prosciutte, some sandwiches, some chips, beer.
00:00:58
Fabio
Very nice.
00:01:03
Fabio
Perfectly calculated amount of food was ordered.
00:01:04
Roger Emeka
Well done.
00:01:07
Roger Emeka
To the twitty, twitty.
00:01:08
Nacc
yeah
00:01:09
Roger Emeka
It was amazing.
00:01:09
Nacc
yeah that that was actually the well there was a lot of past the left ah
00:01:14
Nacc
i made some nice stuff past alformno with that tonight so that was
00:01:14
Roger Emeka
Pasta's good.
00:01:18
Roger Emeka
Ooh.
00:01:19
Nacc
ah was very very well received
00:01:21
Roger Emeka
Big ziti.
00:01:23
Nacc
yes i guess could put it that way except for not zedi it's penny but yes the same same i guess style i guess yeah you could see that
00:01:28
Roger Emeka
Ah.
00:01:32
Nacc
the the the
00:01:34
Roger Emeka
this a very dis Yeah, that was really fun.
00:01:36
Fabio
yeah
00:01:37
Roger Emeka
The food was the fun part. The food was always the fun part. The Super Bowl typically is the fun part.
Unexpected Triumph for the Eagles
00:01:41
Roger Emeka
It was a very disappointing game. We're going to get right into it, ladies and gentlemen. 40 points. I think the Eagles, excuse me, had the second most unanswered points ever for a Super Bowl.
00:01:56
Roger Emeka
unanswered points before the Chiefs were able to get a point.
00:01:56
Nacc
That's insane.
00:02:01
Roger Emeka
Eagles win the Super Bowl with the fifth best, think about the fifth best odds this year. They were plus 1200 to win the Super Bowl in the preseason.
00:02:08
Fabio
Wow.
00:02:11
Roger Emeka
They were behind the Chiefs Niners, ah Ravens, so sorry, fourth best, Chiefs Niners.
00:02:16
Nacc
For sure the Bills and Ravens.
00:02:18
Fabio
yeah
00:02:19
Roger Emeka
Those were those were actually at plus six sixteen hundred and in the Lions Eagles were at plus 1200 So just an amazing job by everyone on the Eagles obviously howie roseman Nick Sirianni Getting sick on Barkley, but going back to the Super Bowl Knack I want to start with you It's been a tough postseason for you Steelers
00:02:21
Nacc
Hmm.
00:02:44
Roger Emeka
Josh Allen, um Patrick Mahomes. So I want to start with you. What were the keys to the victory for the Eagles? And why do why do you think the Chiefs lost?
00:02:49
Nacc
of the one you forgot to mention was vic fan um he outplayed i and two two a t and i'm just goingnna ramble off some some
00:02:53
Roger Emeka
So take it anywhere you want.
How Eagles' Defense Secured the Win
00:03:11
Nacc
notes that i wrote down here ah that I found so the Eagles defense in the Super Bowl 25 pressures 11 QB hits six sacks three takeaways held the Chiefs to 23 yards and one first down zero points in the first half and the big one the Eagles did not blitz blitz once across 42 dropbacks in the Super Bowl they literally went with four man rushes all game long and dropped seven into coverage and
00:03:43
Nacc
So I think the key to Vic that is just Vic D'Angelo like he could have won the MVP ah last night on on his own that defense played lights out and honestly the thing that shocked me the most is that Andy Reid had no answer.
00:03:59
Nacc
Like like you literally no answer from the beginning to what the third quarter when they finally scored some points like and Then man even Spagnolo like ah how did you let that happen? They were so focused on stopping Barkley that they just forgot to play defense any other way I don't know shout out shout out really to the Eagles and that defense that smothered my homes and
00:04:42
Roger Emeka
yeah yeah this was
00:04:44
Nacc
I think just if I could add my homes, I think is Owen 8 when he has when he it takes 3.34 seconds throw or longer.
00:04:46
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:04:53
Nacc
He's Owen 8 in his career, including postseason.
00:04:59
Roger Emeka
That's a great stat. um This was the Tampa Bay Super Bowl blueprint.
00:05:02
Nacc
Yes, exactly the same, exactly the same.
00:05:02
Roger Emeka
This was the exact same thing that the Buccaneers did, rush for, drop back.
00:05:03
Fabio
Yep. 100%. 100%.
00:05:08
Roger Emeka
That's what led the Chiefs to focus more on their O-line after that Super Bowl, to then bolster that aspect. And that's how they got to the, to, to win the the next two Super Bowls.
00:05:18
Roger Emeka
Fab, I think Knack gave really good points on, on, on the Eagles. Where do you think the Chiefs lost this game? Where or when did you think the Chiefs lost this game?
00:05:30
Fabio
I think the Chiefs need more revamping on the O-line. Listen, defense wins championships. We saw that last night when the Eagles took apart whatever O-line Mahomes had, whatever O-line the Chiefs had.
00:05:42
Fabio
So I can't fault Mahomes 100% because he was under constant duress the entire night. Like they definitely need some playmakers out on the outside. I think you can finally see that now like Kelsey is longing to the DeAndre Hopkins project didn't work out. Hollywood Brown might be a very good wide receiver too in the future, but they're gonna need that staple. They're gonna need a Rishi rice to come back again, healthy next year. It's gonna make a huge difference. You would hope that Isaiah Pacheco comes back to his former form beforehand, but Mahomes wasn't able to do it all by himself last night.
00:06:13
Fabio
And when he's under that much pressure, that much, that much, my God, the pressure that he was under last night, like it was, it was too much for him to really take control and take handle it. I think, I think that was the biggest takeaway.
00:06:25
Roger Emeka
Fab, did you, I was sitting next to you, and I don't know if you heard me, but I kept saying they abandoned the run too early, in my opinion.
00:06:25
Fabio
Like he, they never really, they never established the run.
00:06:34
Nacc
Kareem Hunt had one rush for two yards in the first in the first half.
00:06:35
Roger Emeka
They never.
00:06:36
Fabio
They never established the run. Yeah, they never, they never, well, they got behind the A ball very early on, right?
00:06:39
Nacc
One rush for two yards.
00:06:43
Fabio
And so from there, they have to start passing more and just like pretty much abandoned the room from the beginning.
00:06:48
Nacc
But they were only down 24 and a half and that was only because
00:06:49
Fabio
Like it was.
00:06:51
Roger Emeka
17. you But you know, but you no no, no, but to Knack's point, even when it was 17, fuck me.
00:06:54
Nacc
so but i'm saying it was it was it was seventeen and it was they they they he threw that that interception to bond ah we that was okay they scored but ah had ten yards to go to score right so was it was literally seventy nothing like and they've been down in every super bowl in the last two years ten points in the fourth quarter and and and one right so Even if they were down 17, if they go down and and hit a field goal or a touchdown, that's 17-3 or 17-7 going into half and getting the ball back.
00:07:01
Roger Emeka
To Bon.
00:07:04
Fabio
Yeah.
00:07:12
Roger Emeka
Yes, grip.
00:07:25
Nacc
They threw a pick and it hurts. They went 10 yards and they scored. right so I don't think they had to change anything at that point
00:07:32
Roger Emeka
and And to that point, Mahomes is kind of an average in Super Bowls, seven TDs, seven INTs. So he's not, he's carrying them at the end of games, but they are starting slow.
00:07:47
Nacc
ye
00:07:48
Roger Emeka
And it was the same, I think we, like, Nack, you were like, yo guys, 20 bucks.
00:07:49
Fabio
yeah yeah
00:07:54
Roger Emeka
Let's put the money line. Let's get the money line on the Chiefs, like halftime.
00:07:56
Nacc
Yep You know how many people I spoke to today that did that exact same money line at plus 1200 at half like 24 points is not much that was that's three touchdowns three two point two point conversions for a team that's always down in Super Bowls and comes back late.
00:08:01
Roger Emeka
Yeah. yeah
00:08:11
Nacc
I don't know. I had to we had to go for that one, but
00:08:13
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:08:13
Fabio
Yeah.
00:08:16
Nacc
Obviously, didn it didn't work Yeah, in the playoffs, like on the fly.
00:08:16
Roger Emeka
So I agree.
00:08:17
Roger Emeka
I think that the positive side was the... I mean, I know it was late, but the worthy touchdown, it kind of shows you what the... It almost feels like they need to get back to the big playability that they used to have with Tyreek Hill.
00:08:17
Fabio
I think it goes was...
00:08:31
Roger Emeka
They definitely need to fix the left side of the line. I know Tuni, they were trying to figure him out on the you know left tackle, at left guard.
00:08:35
Fabio
Yeah.
00:08:39
Roger Emeka
I think they need to definitely go back to establishing that. And I think, like, call a
Mahomes vs. Brady: A Performance Debate
00:08:47
Roger Emeka
spade a spade. I think Travis Kelsey is it's definitely the downward trend of his career. And the the load management did not really come to fruition. It didn't really pay dividends for them at the end. He just looked like a a marginalized player, in my opinion.
00:09:02
Nacc
but he played great in the divisional round it just conference game and and super bowl it just yeah
00:09:06
Roger Emeka
Up and down, inconsistent.
00:09:11
Nacc
like i'm not goingnna blame it all on travis but i do agree look he's thirty five years old we you're on your download thread tread like youre you're you're you're a position player you're thirty five like youre hundred percent
00:09:19
Roger Emeka
yeah you're right or
00:09:23
Nacc
going downhill you know um
00:09:25
Fabio
But I don't think it's so much...
00:09:26
Nacc
But if you if you didn't have time to pass or couldn't get him the ball, like that's that's a different story, I would think. it just the yeah
00:09:34
Fabio
I don't think it's so much that Mahomes and the Chiefs lost more than the Eagles won, quite frankly. I mean, that when you get that much pressure just on their front four, when you have your rookie cornerbacks playing out of their mind, when you have your linebackers being able to come up and put pressure and even drop back into coverage like that,
00:09:41
Roger Emeka
Yeah, you're right.
00:09:53
Fabio
like there's not a lot of offenses out there that are going to be able to take apart that defense, in my opinion. like They got to the championship for a reason, right? Like they were, whatever the record was in one score games from the very beginning, the Chiefs.
00:10:06
Fabio
So they were winning those close games and those tight games and very and keeping it close all the time. And then they went up against a juggernaut that had a top end team from top to bottom. And we said this last week too. Everyone thought we were e quite crazy, Raj, we were picking the Eagles to win, right?
00:10:21
Fabio
But I mean,
00:10:21
Roger Emeka
I felt it. I don't know what it was.
00:10:23
Fabio
It was dominance like this, that it's the team is stacked from top to bottom.
00:10:24
Roger Emeka
I felt it, man.
00:10:27
Fabio
And even, even two years ago when they lost against the Chiefs, the only thing that they were missing was a top end running back or at least a competent running back. And then they got Saikon Barkley. Yeah, I know he didn't do anything at all this game, but what did he do?
00:10:40
Fabio
He forced the defense to focus on it. So the rehearsals able to play his game and do the RPOs and so their read options and make those runs and breakout plays and get the first towns.
00:10:46
Roger Emeka
And it stuck to him.
00:10:52
Roger Emeka
25 carries 57 yards.
00:10:53
Nacc
Yeah, it was.
00:10:55
Roger Emeka
That's not a bad game. Like they they kept going with it and they kept it on us to allow play action.
00:10:57
Nacc
Well, is not to that's to point that's two yards per carry, I think his largest carry was 10 yards.
00:10:58
Fabio
Yeah.
00:10:59
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:10:59
Fabio
They'll gain management too, right? Time management.
00:11:02
Roger Emeka
Yeah, and yeah exactly.
00:11:04
Fabio
Yeah.
00:11:06
Roger Emeka
um
00:11:06
Nacc
I call that at the beginning of the game, though, if you remember, I said he wasn't going to get to 60 yards rushing.
00:11:11
Roger Emeka
Yeah, 100%.
00:11:12
Fabio
Yeah.
00:11:12
Roger Emeka
I think you're you're your main prop that was under 110 and a half, which honestly,
00:11:15
Nacc
Yeah, that one was, I think, like the gimme of the.
00:11:18
Roger Emeka
It was a big time gimme. ah there was a lot of There was a lot of goat talk before, obviously, you know, Reed Mahomes, Kelsey versus Belichick, Brady, Gronkowski. I feel like in in in our Bush League group track, you're like our resident goat czar, conciliary. or you You always got a good feeling out this. ah where where do you where Where do you see yourself in terms of the goat talk right now? like but so So factoring in that Brady, he was also three and two at some point, and then he ended up going, I believe, 10 years until his next Super Bowl win.
00:11:57
Nacc
so that's where that's where I was going first first of all I want to say that it's already starting to sound like the LeBron MJ debate and I'm already feeling nauseous about it like first of all like let the guy finish his career like let let him he's only 29 years old and we're already like always lost ball both quarterbacks lost a Super Bowl as favorites to end their seventh season as starters They both squandered historic opportunities to to set themselves apart from from the rest, right? Eli Manning came in and disturbed that that trend when the the the the Giants beat them. And then for Mahomes, it was the three-peat, and the Eagles just kind of took care of business. They played they played amazing last night. like Kudos to the Eagles. like Go talk. I think everyone can agree, if Mahomes retires tomorrow, he's in the Hall of Fame.
00:12:53
Nacc
right? I don't think there's any, I don't think there's any discussion about that.
00:12:54
Fabio
Yeah.
00:12:55
Fabio
Yes.
00:12:57
Fabio
100%. Yeah.
00:12:58
Nacc
And what's funny is that Mahomes has a 106, 106 wins, 27 losses record as a starter, including playoffs. And Brady was 104 and 29 mark in the same number of career starts.
00:13:11
Nacc
So they won the same amount of Superbowls, lost the same amount of Superbowls and have identical records, but everyone is freaking out that that why he's not the gold or he's not like he's not yet, that's for sure, but like can can he finish his career first and then we could talk about it?
00:13:29
Roger Emeka
I feel like Mahomes' first two or three, two Super Bowl appearances were very much like the tail and the back half of Brady's Super Bowl appearances where it was offense galore, deep shots. And now I feel like Mahomes, the last, call it three Super Bowls, the e the first Eagles won last year's and even this year, it feels like Brady's first few Super Bowls.
00:13:58
Roger Emeka
where we needs he needs to rely a bit more on his defense and just a slight amount of regression with Mahomes right now, I feel.
00:14:07
Nacc
but he's also like he's missing that top guy right like like that top receiver like Brady and that Super Bowl he lost that was the Randy Moss year where Randy went nuts right like he squandered up but he still had the guy like they're hoping what Rishi Rice could come in and and and do it and and maybe for whatever whatever the case but like
00:14:12
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:14:12
Fabio
Yeah, if he had.
00:14:29
Nacc
Yes, Kelsey, like we just said, to alluded we looted it too. Look at Brady's stats. That was the other thing I was looking at, is Brady's stats without Gronk. that's when That's when Brady started going downhill. When Gronk was not there or injured, his stats aren't as great with Gronk out of the lineup. i just When we talk Golden, everyone's ready. to The only stat that Mahomes has against him, and I think this is a legit stat, in Brady's ah three Super Bowl losses, he's lost by a total of 15 points.
00:15:00
Nacc
and Mahomes two losses, he's lost by 40 combined points. So again, it's not all on the quarterback because he can't play defense, but it's still a huge stat in terms of can you come back and keep the game close, right?
00:15:16
Nacc
in When they lost the to Tampa, they got destroyed.
00:15:17
Roger Emeka
actually 40 because they they lost 24 10 it is oh no so I was 31 yeah all right sorry I was thinking something else yeah you're right yeah you're right
00:15:18
Fabio
Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:24
Nacc
yeah They got destroyed versus Tampa. They've lost by 20 both times 20 plus both times right when they when they lost. But I don't know all this go talk. They have identical stats at the exact same times of their of their career. Is he going to win four more? Maybe not. Can you win two or three more in the next 10 years? Let's say I think he could.
00:15:45
Roger Emeka
I was watching, um Fab, do you have anything to add on this?
00:15:48
Fabio
No, I agree with the LeBron and and actually Jordan comparison, quite frankly. I feel like Mahomes is going to be the LeBron per the the lebron in this conversation for years to come. I mean, you can crown him as a Hall of Famer now. And it's it's an exhaustive conversation. Yeah, they're the GOAT, period. One thing I do want to mention, though, is that Belichick, Belichick is much more of a defensive coach versus Andy Reid is more of an offensive coach. I think that might have to play into the whole thing that you mentioned back about losing 40, like a combined total of 40 points in their loss versus what is it 15 for Brady. I think that has something to play in it, but Mahomes needs that number one wide receiver, whether it's going to be Rashid Rice or somebody else right now until they have the offensive weapons. I feel like it's going to be tough sliding for Mahomes, no matter how good of a quarterback he is.
00:16:36
Nacc
Yeah, and honestly, just final point on goat talk like he's been a starter for seven years and has made the AFC Championship in all seven years. And in this first seven years, he's made he's appeared in five Super Bowls. Like.
00:16:51
Nacc
yeah like That just that stat on its own like you're not gonna win every Super Bowl like it just goes to like you oh Brady Brady won I mean Brady lost three of them right like you're not gonna win them all so to put him down over Yes, and I agree with everyone out there.
00:16:56
Roger Emeka
Exactly, that's exactly.
00:17:06
Nacc
That was the worst game He's played in his career and it came at the most inopportune moment, right? Like it just came at the wrong time, but that was his worst game as a pro I think hands down but Man, just look at all of what he's done and he's only 29 years old. It's insane.
Jalen Hurts' Playoff Brilliance
00:17:27
Roger Emeka
We're talking a lot about Mahomes, but the guy we really should be talking about is Jalen Hurts. And I was someone who I've hated on, and I want to say hated, it's a bit strong, but I've been skeptical about Hurts since his first playoff game against Tampa, where I thought he did not look like an NFL starter. And then he came back the year after pretty much with an amazing performance in the first Super Bowl appearance against the Chiefs.
00:17:51
Roger Emeka
This year does a lot of struggles, but he's been on an absolute heater in this playoffs. Fab, take however you want with kind of this like redemption story with Hurts.
00:18:04
Fabio
i mean i
00:18:04
Roger Emeka
How has he impressed you in terms of just his overall playoff performance?
00:18:09
Fabio
I owe Jalen Hurts an apology because at the beginning of the season, I thought that with Kellen Moore as his OC, he was going to actually struggle. And a lot of his faults were going to come more to light.
00:18:17
Roger Emeka
Yes. Yeah.
00:18:19
Fabio
So I owe Jalen Hurts an apology because he is a legitimate quarterback. And the guy has come back from adversity, both at college and also now at the pro level as well, right? When he was benched at Alabama for that whole season and only became a sergeant in Oklahoma.
00:18:33
Fabio
So you got to give credit where credit is due. He balled out in the last, specifically the last two Super Bowls. ah looking up his stats right now like 700 total yards seven total touchdowns 92.3 PFF and both of those Super Bowls he's good and he not only is he good and not only is he a proper quarterback but he gets it done under pressure when he's supposed to the guy doesn't crack he has no emotion out there it could be the first game in of the season or the Super Bowl and he looks exactly the same he approaches it the same way
00:19:07
Fabio
Now I got, I'm listening as a Giants fan. Like I'm happy for dealing hurts. I feel like he, he deserved it. Uh, but, uh, that's where I'm gonna end on his flowers at the moment.
00:19:20
Nacc
Well, if if you add to that, his last two Super Bowls talking stats is a 71 percent completion percentage.
00:19:21
Fabio
I can't give him too much.
00:19:29
Nacc
And last night it was 77.
00:19:32
Nacc
Like this guy gets knocked for all. He's not accurate. He can't make this. ah He made some big time throws last night. And. Yeah, I think I think most of the world,
00:19:32
Fabio
Yeah.
00:19:46
Nacc
or at least north america owes this guy an apology besides you know the state of pennsylvania because it's just yeah man he just he proved all the haters completely completely wrong and i mean look we said it he has to have a pretty much perfect game he threw that that interception which whatever didn't end up costing them costing them much because the chiefs could move the ball anyways but barring that he was pretty much perfect on on the night.
00:20:13
Nacc
And his stats just speak for themselves.
00:20:14
Fabio
Yep.
00:20:16
Nacc
It's insane.
00:20:18
Fabio
For me, it was all all the RPOs that he was working picking up the blitzes and calling out man coverage and reading the defensive coverage and know exactly what was going to happen when it was supposed to happen.
00:20:23
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:20:27
Fabio
And those chunk run plays that he had, like those are heads up plays and it was good.
00:20:29
Nacc
119 passer rating.
00:20:30
Roger Emeka
hit His ability to, like you said, Fabb, identify man coverage is his superpower.
00:20:32
Fabio
It was really. Yeah.
00:20:39
Fabio
Yeah.
00:20:39
Roger Emeka
He does this as well as anyone. And my God, the deep shot to, that was the dagger shot to Davante Smith was like, that was game over.
00:20:46
Nacc
smith
00:20:48
Nacc
Smith.
00:20:49
Roger Emeka
And what a throw it was.
00:20:51
Roger Emeka
He is one of three quarterbacks to have won a Natty and a Super Bowl along with Joe Montana and Joe Namath.
00:21:03
Nacc
Yep, and you mentioned you mentioned Smith.
00:21:05
Fabio
It's rarefied error.
00:21:06
Nacc
You mentioned Smith catching that touchdown pass. It's the first Bama drafted player to catch a touchdown pass in the Super Bowl.
00:21:10
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:21:12
Fabio
Yeah.
00:21:15
Nacc
which was pretty shocking to me actually.
00:21:17
Fabio
Yep.
00:21:19
Roger Emeka
Fab, just ah a little bit still on a Hertz. You're taking Hertz over at Baker Mayfield, right?
00:21:31
Fabio
Well, again, if we go by fantasy points,
00:21:35
Roger Emeka
Nope.
00:21:35
Fabio
but just say they're both Let's say they're both ranked very close to each other.
00:21:38
Roger Emeka
No, but like this this just like, and that's the last thing on this one move on, but it just makes you like, there's some guys that week we, we crown too easily. Like I, and look, I know I hate it on Hertz, but like I'm giving him all his flowers. I'm not going to talk crap on on him again, but I do not want to hear any arguments that Justin Herbert is better than Jaylen Hertz.
00:22:01
Roger Emeka
like I like to me that's I don't want to hear that anymore like there's some guys where I'll say look obviously the Lamars the boroughs the Mahomes those guys are naturally I think they're more talented they've done more from a regular season perspective mind you they haven't won the big one I'm fine conceding those players but I will no longer concede Justin Herbert who throws four picks against the freaking Houston Texans being better than Jalen Hurts.
00:22:27
Nacc
Yeah, that's. ah
00:22:29
Roger Emeka
I will no longer concede ah like who else like Jared Goff who has as much talent as Jalen Hurts.
00:22:37
Fabio
Yeah, no.
00:22:39
Roger Emeka
I will no longer concede Ford in love. Mind you, he's still... They're the same age, Alex. For the love of God, they're the same age.
00:22:47
Fabio
Yeah. Jordan Love dr disappointed this year.
00:22:49
Nacc
Jordan Love this disappointed me this year, big time.
00:22:51
Fabio
He really disappointed this year.
00:22:51
Roger Emeka
Big time.
00:22:52
Nacc
He was injured, sure, but very disappointing.
00:22:56
Fabio
Justin Herbert from a pure NFL standpoint, I will put them at the same level as hurts. I'm not going to say I wouldn't ah wouldn't say hurts is better or or Herbert is better, but for me they are very comparable as far as quarterbacks are concerned from a pure NFL standpoint.
00:23:11
Nacc
I would say Hertz is better and I don't think it's that close.
00:23:15
Roger Emeka
And you gotta exact and you gotta win like you got something I know we say wins our wins a QB stat Are they or are they not like at some point you gotta to win at some point you gotta? Like not throwing dumb picks is a skill Right.
00:23:29
Roger Emeka
And I think, I think we put too much, I think there's like the the fantasy footballization of QBs where we so we equate fantasy. No, I'm not saying us, but just in general, I think like overall we equate fantasy football stats and numbers to being a good and elite QB.
00:23:43
Fabio
Yeah.
00:23:45
Roger Emeka
And I think there needs to be more credence on actual winning, not turning the ball over, running the offense as your offensive coordinator wants you to run it, which I think a lot of QBs don't even do that.
00:24:01
Nacc
I think you bring up like ah a great point when it comes to comparing players and people who play fantasy football. You get too locked in to the points and fantasy wise when you're trying to like describe and any to any kind of player.
00:24:16
Nacc
And I feel like it does happen a lot. I'm not pointing fingers at you. I'm saying it happens.
00:24:22
Roger Emeka
um has this mark yeah wait when mark got you got I'm not talking about us.
00:24:22
Fabio
No, it's the the reason.
00:24:25
Nacc
No, no.
00:24:25
Roger Emeka
I'm not talking about us.
00:24:26
Fabio
No, I didn't, I didn't take it towards myself at all.
00:24:26
Roger Emeka
and mean i know i think we could this I think we could decipher.
00:24:28
Fabio
No, no, no.
00:24:29
Nacc
He was looking at me funny like.
00:24:31
Roger Emeka
ai
00:24:31
Fabio
No, it's because I'm i'm looking at, I'm looking at her us and and again, flowers to her, it's all the respect in the world.
00:24:31
Nacc
the
00:24:36
Fabio
I don't want take anything away from the guy. He even throw for 3000 yards this year. Like I understand like talking about better quarterback, pure quarterback skill. Like he runs that off.
00:24:47
Fabio
they Hey, he runs the offense. Well, he picks out blitz.
00:24:49
Nacc
they went fourteen and two and had ah two thousand yard rusher
00:24:53
Roger Emeka
That exactly, like And Gus Edwards.
00:24:54
Fabio
and a 2,000 yard rusher.
00:24:56
Nacc
yeah okay
00:24:57
Fabio
So give Herbert a 2,000 yard rusher. You don't think you would be as good of a quarterback as you would hurt?
00:25:00
Nacc
yeah had legal reject j k doins
00:25:03
Fabio
Thank you. There it is. What are guys? We got to take the fancy out of this, though. We got to take the fancy out of this, right?
00:25:06
Roger Emeka
and yeah he's yeah He's also had Austin Eckler.
00:25:10
Fabio
Austin Eichler, I mean.
00:25:12
Roger Emeka
Another, so this is a great segue to Fab and I's boy, Saquon Barkley. I wanna do a little legacy check on
00:25:18
Nacc
very and very curious
00:25:20
Nacc
to hear this one
00:25:20
Fabio
very
00:25:21
Roger Emeka
I want to do a little legacy check on Saquon Barkley.
00:25:21
Nacc
um site
00:25:21
Fabio
What do you want me to say?
00:25:23
Roger Emeka
So Saquon Barkley finishes with theoretically the best season from a yo rushing yards perspective of anyone he surpassed Terrell Davis by about 30 or so yards.
00:25:36
Nacc
Yeah.
00:25:37
Roger Emeka
twenty He finished with 2,500 yards ah regular season and postseason.
00:25:41
Fabio
Yeah.
00:25:41
Roger Emeka
He capped it off obviously with a Super Bowl.
00:25:43
Nacc
The Terrell Davis that year play as many games, that's the only thing I didn't check.
00:25:48
Roger Emeka
Well, that's the thing. So that's the thing I don't, I didn't check, but, uh, Oh, sorry.
00:25:50
Nacc
I think he I think he had to buy.
00:25:51
Fabio
I would say no, just just because we have a longer season to know.
00:25:53
Roger Emeka
No, no. Uh, yeah, I actually have it in front of me. Um, I have it in front of me. Barkley played 20 games. Thorell Davis played the year he did. Uh, so he did 20, 20, 300 and 24.
00:26:01
Nacc
He would have played 19 most.
00:26:04
Roger Emeka
Both. Yeah. Both years were 19.
00:26:05
Nacc
Yeah, so he did have.
00:26:06
Roger Emeka
Um, 19. And that was where the years where he was, I believe he was MVP. I think at least one out of those two years, but.
00:26:11
Nacc
See, and let me get can I just get your thoughts for one second, you know, when like. Like what even broke sack record or tied the sack record, but you needed an an extra game to do it because straight hand, whatever, like like what's your guys stance on that?
00:26:24
Roger Emeka
Yep.
00:26:26
Nacc
You know, like people breaking records, but like there's been games that have been added, you know, and when when eighteen games gets added like these two thousand yard rushers are goingnna happen all the time right if they break the the
00:26:43
Fabio
Um, I agree and I've always looked at that too. I'm like, okay, maybe we should look at it as a yards per game thing. But then, you know what?
00:26:48
Roger Emeka
Exactly.
00:26:49
Fabio
The season, but the type of game now is different than when it was when, you know, Terrell Davis played and all that stuff. Like it's, it's, you can't equate to two, you can't equate to two eras of the sport and say, you know what, you have an extra game.
00:27:05
Fabio
It doesn't count. Well, no, he needed an extra game because the game is probably harder now than it was 20 years ago or 30 years ago. and but So for me, it's a bit of a wash conversation. I try not to look at that.
00:27:15
Fabio
Like it's one thing if you need to five games or six games or whatever, you know, but we're talking about like a few.
00:27:20
Nacc
Well, it's going to be two games soon.
00:27:21
Fabio
me
00:27:21
Nacc
It's going to be two games more soon than like most records. That's what it's like.
00:27:25
Roger Emeka
i
00:27:25
Nacc
It's that's when it's now it's going to start like, OK, 2000 yard rusher like guys like Barkley or someone who could do it is definitely breaking the record if they have 18 games to play.
00:27:36
Nacc
Right. And if he did it in 16 games or in 15 games. Like there's a difference, right? And I think to your point, you got to take yards per game and like make the records a little bit different.
00:27:48
Roger Emeka
Thanks too much.
Is Saquon Barkley Hall of Fame Worthy?
00:27:50
Roger Emeka
So, Naq, make the case that Saquon Barkley will be a Hall of Famer in, let's say like he plays another three years and he finishes with like 10,000 yards.
00:28:08
Roger Emeka
Can you make the case that Saquon Barkley will be a Hall of Famer? Can you make the case that he's a Hall of Famer now if he has two more thousand yard seasons?
00:28:13
Nacc
no no no if someone tells me is all of them are now you just don't know what you're talking about I feel and I don't think to me the Super Bowl doesn't push the envelope for me it never has for Hall of Fame I think that's based on stats I don't even think he cracks anywhere near the top 20 right now as it is he's only had like it
00:28:14
Fabio
oh no No.
00:28:35
Fabio
Each 30 second overall endurance.
00:28:36
Roger Emeka
but now ah knock i'm I'm gonna stop I'm gonna stop you there because it did push the needle for Terrell Davis Terrell Davis what to help Terrell Davis was the back-to-back intervals the rushing championship and from a yardage perspective because you because you only
00:28:48
Nacc
if one does this two years ago
00:28:59
Roger Emeka
okay so that's that's what he needs that's what he needs
00:29:00
Fabio
Even without, even without the football.
00:29:13
Fabio
Yep.
00:29:20
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:29:20
Nacc
i think he needs to sustain multiple seasons before he's ready to be a surefire Hall of Fame. Like if he can stay healthy and perform at a high level and continue to do this, fantastic. I'm i'm ready to crown him. He does not have to win another Super Bowl to be crowned in the in the Hall of Fame, but he's got to put up numbers to to get there and in in my opinion.
00:29:45
Fabio
One thing I will say, though, there has been eight players to crack 2,000 yards rushing of the ones that are eligible for the Hall of Fame, which are six, four in.
00:29:58
Fabio
The other two being Jamal Lewis and Chris Johnson.
00:30:01
Nacc
Chris Johnson's a Hall of Famer?
00:30:02
Fabio
So he's not in the Hall of Fame.
00:30:04
Roger Emeka
No, I don't I don't like you open you which unfortunately
00:30:04
Nacc
OK, yeah, I was going to say, I don't think so.
00:30:05
Fabio
or The other two being Jamal Lewis and Chris Johnson. um And right now, no, he's not. I think he has to sustain some level of production going forward, but I think his case has, has gotten a hell of a lot stronger in my opinion.
00:30:23
Fabio
And if he has like maybe another two or three years of of decent production, like I'm talking 1400 yards type thing, I think he gets it.
00:30:31
Nacc
Like his stats on paper, like he had an amazing rookie year ah offensive rookie of the year.
00:30:34
Fabio
Yeah. yeah
00:30:36
Nacc
That was amazing. Then it was like my injury and this, and then like, obviously bad seasons. You could say bad teams, like he, he scored.
00:30:45
Fabio
It's almost a need to have a instant line to play well as a running.
00:30:47
Nacc
Well, that's what I'm out. that That's that's my point.
00:30:49
Fabio
It's crazy to see, right?
00:30:49
Nacc
He went to the best team, the best situation, the best offensive line. Now, if he turns around and has 1000 yards next year, the hall of fame kind of goes down a little bit in my in my books if he's hovering around that thousand yard mark rather i'm not saying he's going to crack two thousand yards every every year you want to make the hall of fame you got to be in that fourteen fifteen hundred discussion with those double- digit touchdowns in a season
00:31:17
Roger Emeka
but Guys, I think he makes it. I think if he retires next year, he makes it because I'm looking to me, the barometer is Thrall Davis and I'm looking at his stats right now. Thrall Davis rookie year, 1100 yards, second year, 1500 yards, third season, 1700 yards. Then he had the MVP year in 1988 of 2000 yards.
00:31:38
Nacc
Park Lee only has three seasons right now over 13 How many would there three all pros?
00:31:41
Roger Emeka
but But then after after that, basically, Terrell Davis, his career was over because he had so many injuries. Terrell Davis had four years, and one MVP, three all-pros. Three all-pros.
00:31:53
Roger Emeka
Yeah. like i
00:31:53
Nacc
Three three of them he was the the best running back for three years in the NFL like Running backs play what six years their average lifespan like you're talking.
00:31:54
Fabio
And look at his look at his touchdowns too.
00:32:02
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:32:05
Nacc
He was an all pro for three of them and Like an average running back doesn't play very long, right? If we're if we're being honest, like.
00:32:12
Fabio
and did Did you mention he won MVP?
00:32:14
Roger Emeka
Yeah, he won MVP, which I think, bar bar I think Barkley in any other, in that era wins the MVP for sure.
00:32:16
Nacc
That's a huge one.
00:32:18
Fabio
That's a big one.
00:32:21
Nacc
Maybe. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:24
Fabio
but i'm not here not
00:32:25
Roger Emeka
I think that, so it's, I don't want to, I don't want to penalize him because it's harder for, it's harder for running back to win an MVP now, but I think, look, Barkley's career is not going to be over now.
00:32:26
Fabio
decent yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah It's impossible for running back to an MVP
00:32:28
Nacc
No, no, I won't penalize him for that 100%.
00:32:36
Roger Emeka
It's not gonna be over in like, God forbid. So I think he has at least another 3000 yards to add to his repertoire, which I think will, it'll get him in.
00:32:42
Nacc
he has he has a chance but also remember the way they're voting now when they took away a player there's only four people going in like right now his stats to me are not yelling first ballot hall of fame you're you're you're almost half the touchdowns of frank gore at the at the moment And you have a player like Derek Henry, like, well, he's got 106 touchdowns, Derek Henry in any like sixth all time.
00:32:45
Roger Emeka
I think he'll get in personally.
00:32:49
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:33:05
Roger Emeka
Henry's a log. I agree with you.
00:33:10
Nacc
Right. Like right now, Henry retires tomorrow. He's a first ballot Hall of Famer.
00:33:16
Roger Emeka
Agreed. Agreed.
00:33:16
Nacc
Right. He doesn't have to win anything.
00:33:17
Fabio
Yes.
00:33:17
Roger Emeka
I think Henry.
00:33:17
Roger Emeka
and
00:33:18
Nacc
And he did it to me.
00:33:18
Fabio
yeah
00:33:19
Nacc
He did it was more impressive because he did it a lot with a not so great team. Right. He did it with the Titans.
00:33:25
Roger Emeka
and
00:33:25
Nacc
The Titans weren't.
00:33:26
Nacc
They had a couple of years where they were good, but not many.
00:33:26
Fabio
Plus the last running back to an MVP was Adrian Peterson, 2000 yard season 12 touchdown.
00:33:36
Fabio
So you can even argue that this year, Barkley season was better than that one with 20 total
00:33:40
Nacc
But what were what were the QB stats in that year? That's what that's what you'd have to look at. like What was the QB stat look like? Although I hate that it's like become a quarterback award.
00:33:41
Roger Emeka
Good point.
00:33:50
Fabio
it a award And the, and the offensive player of the year is the award for non QBs. It's like the position is a skill position award, or at least we're the ones it's the award where the skill positions are more considered like.
00:34:01
Nacc
It's because just like the MVP, Barkley got votes for sure, but I'm saying like man allen touched the ball every play he beat the lions he beat ah chiefs he beat some big- time teams like they needed him to win right like sure if i was voting in philadelphia's locker room barcleyy's my mvp of the team ah without a doubt but i don't think without se juan barkley they're not successful like That's insane.
00:34:19
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:34:34
Roger Emeka
Fab, last word on the MVP stuff.
00:34:37
Fabio
Yeah, so that year in 2012, Drew Brees won MVP, 40, sorry, 5,177 yards passing and 43 passing touchdowns.
00:34:49
Roger Emeka
Oh, he was so good that year. So good that year.
00:34:51
Fabio
And Drew Brees didn't win the MVP, Adrian Pearson won it.
00:34:54
Nacc
is yeah that's He won
00:34:56
Roger Emeka
Yeah, but was that the bread far?
00:34:56
Fabio
He didn't even win offensive player of the year.
00:34:58
Roger Emeka
Was that the bread far of?
00:34:59
Fabio
Offensive player of the year won Adrian Pearson and, sorry, offensive player of the year won Adrian Pearson and so did the MVP.
00:35:05
Roger Emeka
Who was the Vikings? Who was the Vikings?
00:35:07
Fabio
Yeah.
00:35:10
Roger Emeka
Who was the Vikings QB that year?
00:35:10
Fabio
Yes.
00:35:13
Fabio
Now you guys are asking for a latte.
00:35:16
Roger Emeka
Wow, I mean, while you're there, you might as well, I was Christian, was it chris Christian Ponder?
00:35:18
Fabio
Yeah, I'm looking at, I'll pull out a second. ah Christian Ponder, yes, Christian Ponder.
00:35:22
Nacc
Okay, so you see where if Adrian Peterson is not there that team is nowhere right like Christian Ponder is throwing the football like See like that's where you have like the You
00:35:32
Fabio
And they went 10 and six in a year. injuries and the Saints won seven and nine. So there it is.
00:35:38
Roger Emeka
I don't think, I don't think, yeah, well,
00:35:39
Nacc
see seven and nine you can't be an MVP like I'm sorry like you didn't propel you you propelled your team to nine losses That's not MVP
00:35:42
Fabio
Yeah.
00:35:46
Fabio
Dude, he didn't even win. He didn't even win all pro. He didn't even make all pro. Peyton Manning got all pro. Mind you, Peyton Manning got a good season. 13 and three, 4,600 yards, 37 touchdowns.
00:35:54
Nacc
Yeah, but that's what Yeah, we could go we could go into this we could go on like yeah, we could go on like crazy seven is 79 though like you can't that doesn't scream MVP to me you lost nine times You
00:35:55
Roger Emeka
I think, i I think we could have, I think we could definitely have an, m like, yeah we could go on and on with like a,
00:35:56
Fabio
Yeah.
00:35:59
Fabio
Like, You throw 5,000 yards, 40 touchdowns, and you just get a pro bow.
00:36:09
Roger Emeka
Seven to nine.
00:36:10
Fabio
Jesus. No, I'm fine. Don't scream MVP to me, but you've got something.
00:36:17
Nacc
got a problem but
00:36:18
Roger Emeka
um and any Any last thoughts on Super Bowl 59, guys? Or on the season?
Season Wrap-Up and Future Plans
00:36:24
Roger Emeka
That so that that's that wraps up that wrap up the 2024-25 season. Any last thoughts?
00:36:28
Fabio
For me, rookie, rookie impact for me, I feel like the rookies took a big center stage across like all levels of the game, whether it's offense or defense.
00:36:35
Nacc
the video all the first round and all the first round QBs played
00:36:37
Fabio
I mean, they were everywhere. Wide receivers running backs a little bit, you know, Bucky Irvin really sold a show, right?
00:36:39
Roger Emeka
Dajin.
00:36:43
Fabio
But wide receivers were a big, big and obviously quarterbacks too. And even some defensive players like, yeah, rookies are showing up. I find hopefully it's, yeah.
00:36:50
Roger Emeka
That's a great one.
00:36:56
Roger Emeka
True, it's true.
00:36:57
Fabio
Yeah.
00:36:57
Nacc
ah its a
00:36:58
Roger Emeka
Much to the chagrin of the Falcons.
00:36:59
Nacc
ah see no so ah jj mccarthy did not play you right he did not play
00:36:59
Fabio
I sat for J.J.
00:37:00
Fabio
McCarthy, J.J. McCarthy.
00:37:01
Roger Emeka
J.G. McCarthy didn't monopoly.
00:37:02
Fabio
We played preseason, but it's fine.
00:37:03
Nacc
Yeah, yeah, that's true. I forgot about that one.
00:37:06
Roger Emeka
The running backs are indeed back.
00:37:08
Fabio
And the running backs are back. The running backs are back.
00:37:12
Nacc
Who's who's on the mark? Oh, not like Najee Harris. Like, obviously, he's not going to like I'm just trying to think of of running backs who are on the market right now, trying to surpass that, like, obviously, Christian McCaffrey is like on an island on his own, and he's what, 16 or 17 million.
00:37:22
Fabio
um
00:37:31
Fabio
I like,
00:37:35
Roger Emeka
Like available, like as into trade. All free agent.
00:37:41
Fabio
i think I don't think anyone, Debo Samuel.
00:37:53
Nacc
anyways we
00:37:56
Roger Emeka
Yeah, we'll have we'll have a ton of off-season now.
00:37:56
Nacc
have the ai exactly we have
00:37:58
Roger Emeka
So I mean, that's a great time to talk about we're going to move into off-season mode as we come and go.
00:38:03
Fabio
I mean, just one
00:38:04
Roger Emeka
The goal for us is to have one episode for a week for the most part. Fab, you want to say something?
00:38:10
Fabio
last thing on this.
00:38:10
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:38:11
Fabio
So PFF has the rankings of like top three agents on position. Number one is Aaron Jones. So that tells you where the running back mark is.
00:38:19
Nacc
He was on the one you do. That's what I'm missing.
00:38:22
Fabio
That tells you where the running back mark is in the soft season.
00:38:22
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:38:24
Nacc
Yeah, but but he's he's not going to get $13 million.
00:38:25
Fabio
Not very, not very strong.
00:38:27
Roger Emeka
It's not a good one.
00:38:27
Nacc
dollars
00:38:29
Roger Emeka
i think I think what will happen is the draft, there's there's a ton of, there's Genty, I believe there's Trevion Henderson, I think Judkins as well.
00:38:34
Fabio
Yeah.
00:38:35
Nacc
It's a big it's a deep, draft deep draft for running backs.
00:38:37
Fabio
it Was that yeah Skip Was his name there?
00:38:37
Roger Emeka
It's a really deep draft from anyways.
00:38:40
Fabio
Skip Booboo?
00:38:42
Roger Emeka
Cam Scadaboo as well. um
00:38:43
Fabio
That's what it meant, yes.
00:38:44
Nacc
Kid Kid Boo Boo, is that what you just called him?
00:38:46
Fabio
Skip Booboo.
00:38:47
Roger Emeka
Dude.
00:38:48
Fabio
Cam Scatterboo. Wasn't that far off.
00:38:49
Roger Emeka
So obviously everyone got a great glimpse of the potential offseason content that we're going to have. So it's definitely going to be free agency. I think next week we're going to start talking about a lot of the coaching staff changes that happened. There's been a lot of news during Super Bowl week about rumors with its Miles Garrett, Cooper Cupp, Aaron Rodgers. So we're going to get into all the kind of offseason rumors and Scuttlebutt. So thank you everyone for being with Scuttlebutt. Scuttlebutt is a term.
00:39:17
Roger Emeka
it turn it's like a
00:39:19
Fabio
Oh, I believe you. I just never heard it before, like using this context.
00:39:21
Roger Emeka
yeah yeah ah try I try to impress you guys.
00:39:24
Fabio
i cumo scuttlebut scuttlebut
00:39:26
Roger Emeka
scut up had a boo and school but but with scott So please ah stick with us.
00:39:28
Fabio
I'm gonna scuttlebutt you for if you don't.
00:39:34
Roger Emeka
We're going to be continuing the episodes on a weekly basis, content obviously on social media. Again, follow us, add us, listen. It's been a great ride and we'll continue it for the upcoming season, the upcoming off-season. So on behalf of Fabian Nack, I'm Raj. Again, don't forget to follow on all social media platforms. And we'll be seeing you guys next time on the Bushley Cuddle, fantasy football, off-season draft and free agency podcast.
00:40:06
Fabio
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:07
Nacc
Let's go.
00:40:08
Fabio
Yeah.
00:40:12
Nacc
How am I going to do it on Sundays now, man?
00:40:12
Fabio
So what happens when you talk about operating?
00:40:15
Roger Emeka
What?
00:40:15
Nacc
How am I going to do it on Sundays? I have to spend time on my life?
00:40:15
Fabio
um
00:40:18
Roger Emeka
It's good though.
00:40:19
Nacc
Jeez.
00:40:20
Fabio
We're going to have to, uh, we're going to have to look at the, uh, rookies and the free agents findings and, uh, start, start prepping for fantasy season.
00:40:23
Nacc
I have to
00:40:26
Roger Emeka
It's the best, I can't wait.
00:40:27
Nacc
go shopping for a couch.
00:40:28
Roger Emeka
This is fun.
00:40:29
Nacc
Got to go to Bed Bath and Beyond.
00:40:32
Nacc
My god.
00:40:32
Fabio
I don't think I havent have enough time.
00:40:33
Fabio
I don't know if I have enough time.
00:40:33
Nacc
I'm dying.
00:40:34
Fabio
I don't know.
00:40:37
Roger Emeka
Have a good one guys.
00:40:38
Fabio
Take care guys.
00:40:38
Nacc
Goodbye!