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2025 NFL Draft QB Breakdown: Cam Ward #1? Shedeur Sanders' Slide? Giants QB Plan EXPOSED
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We’re less than a month away from the 2025 NFL Draft, and it’s time to dive into the most important position—quarterback. 👀
We break down the top QB prospects like Cam Ward, Shadour Sanders, and Jaxson Dart. Should Ward be the No.1 overall pick? Can Shedeur be the face of a franchise—or is a draft-day slide incoming? And what is the actual plan in New York with Russ & Jameis now in the fold? 🤯
Plus:
🟢 Giants QB room breakdown
🔥 Stefon Diggs to the Patriots
🏈 Fantasy implications for every top prospect
💣 NFL comps, best fits & draft predictions (Milroe, Shough, Ewers, McCord and more)
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Intro
2025 NFL Draft QB Prospects Discussion
00:00:24
Roger Emeka
We are less than a month away from the 2025 NFL Draft, and it's time for us to dive into our positional breakdowns of this year's prospects, starting at the QB position today.
00:00:27
Nacc
Thank you.
00:00:35
Roger Emeka
Is Cam Ward the consensus number one pick? Should Shador Sanders go second, or he have an Aaron Rodgers-like drop? And what do we make of Jackson Dart's rise to first-round prospect after being mocked to go in day two or three for the entirety of the college football season?
00:00:52
Roger Emeka
We're going to give you the scouting reports, best case and worst case scenario comparisons, best fits, where we think they'll end up, and best fantasy impact for them and the rest of the class. I'm Raj, and joined as always by Knack,
00:01:03
Roger Emeka
And fab, please subscribe, like, and follow on YouTube, Spotify, and podcast platform of your choice. We'll doing positional deep dives every week this week with the QBs, running backs next, and wide receivers, so on and so forth.
New York Giants QB Room: Winston & Wilson
00:01:16
Roger Emeka
But before we dive into the QB class, a big, big domino fell over the past week, and even yesterday, Jameis Winston, Jameis Wilson, Jameis Wilson,
00:01:28
Nacc
What you trying to be a Miss 5 impersonation?
00:01:31
Roger Emeka
Jameis Wilson.
00:01:32
Fab
That's my line.
00:01:33
Roger Emeka
So Winston, two years, $8 million dollars deal. win Wilson, one year, $10 million dollar deal that then could turn into $21 million with incentives. So Fab, you are the golden retriever of the podcast. You are the biggest apologist of the Giants I've ever met.
00:01:51
Roger Emeka
Please, please, please, my dear friend, what like explain to me what are the Giants doing and what is their plan?
00:02:00
Fab
Okay.
00:02:03
Fab
So this is and this and ah this is probably plan C for Joe Shane and company. I think they wanted to go after Stafford. They want to go off Darren Rogers. In my opinion, this is the best case scenario that could have happened for the New York Giants as a
Draft Strategy for the Giants: Shador Sanders?
00:02:19
Fab
franchise. And I'll explain why.
00:02:21
Fab
We know that the team is not perfect. We know that the team is very far away from competing. We know that the team is missing a lot of holes.
00:02:28
Roger Emeka
you
00:02:29
Fab
I much prefer spending... the money that they spent on Russell Wilson and the money that they spent on a good, very good backup in James Winston and continue to plod the holes that they need to plod in the draft and save that money for other free agents and other prospects later on in the year.
00:02:46
Fab
Now, with that being said, the QB room right now, I know the bar is very low. and it's it's very It's in the ground. It's probably like it's probably six feet under.
00:02:56
Fab
Okay, that's how far though that's how that's how low the bar is right now.
00:02:56
Roger Emeka
How long can you go? How long can you go? How long can you go?
00:03:01
Fab
this is ah This is unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, this is the best QB room the Giants have had in a very long time.
00:03:07
Nacc
Thank you.
00:03:08
Fab
And that says a lot about... the Dude, Daniel Jones, Drew Locke, Tommy DeVito last year. You guys tell me that this room is worse? It's on par, if not better.
00:03:18
Roger Emeka
If it's on par, what are we doing?
00:03:18
Fab
so I... but where What are we doing?
00:03:20
Roger Emeka
but What are we doing if it's on par?
00:03:22
Fab
What's available? What's available, though? like What were we going to do with Matthew Stafford and Aaron Rodgers? Win eight games?
00:03:31
Fab
That's exciting.
00:03:33
Roger Emeka
going win less now?
00:03:34
Fab
but yeah Sure, of course we're going to win less.
00:03:36
Roger Emeka
Or not?
00:03:37
Fab
the the The answer for the Giants at quarterback is not Russell Wilson, nor is it Jameis Winston. And quite frankly, it wasn't Aaron Rodgers and it wasn't Matthew Stafford. It's going to be in the draft, whether it's this year or next year.
Defense vs. QB: Draft Strategy Debate
00:03:48
Fab
All this does, it just confirms that. Because now we don't have to wait two years.
00:03:51
Nacc
but
00:03:53
Fab
if we would assign Let's say we would assign Aaron Rodgers for a two-year deal, because I think that's what he's looking for. I don't think it's to be one-year deal necessarily. Or even trade God knows what for Matthew Stafford. How much more years wasted will we have with hoping for a nine-win season, hoping for an eight-win season with the ah offense that we have, with the defense that we have, which, yeah, the defense got better from last year to this year with the signs that they did the in a free agency.
00:04:19
Fab
So to me, this was, they fell into this situation because I guess work out with Stafford and Rodgers. And in my opinion, from a franchise perspective going forward, For 2026, because you're going to punt 2025. We already knew that at the the beginning of, at the end of last year, we were punting 2025. That was a foregone conclusion.
00:04:36
Fab
This doesn't change anything for them from a draft perspective. I think if Sanders is there, i think they should draft him, in my opinion, as much as I would love to see Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter, you know, where the where where the Giants colors, because they're fantastic stud players.
00:04:51
Fab
i I like Sanders as a quarterback prospect. But let's just say from a, from, let's let's just like use a crystal ball here for a second. Let's say they don't draft Sanders at three, right?
00:05:02
Fab
We're going to into the quarterbacks later on in the year.
00:05:03
Roger Emeka
Yeah, exactly.
00:05:04
Fab
Let's say they don't draft Sanders at three. They take best player available, and that's Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter. You got a stud on defense. We all know what having a good defense does to a team. we so We saw it with Philadelphia.
00:05:17
Fab
we saw We see it with Kansas City every single year.
00:05:19
Nacc
I mean, Philadelphia has Hurts and KC has
00:05:20
Roger Emeka
but But yeah, like,
Impact of Russell Wilson on Draft Picks
00:05:22
Nacc
Mahomes.
00:05:22
Fab
Not a whole lot seconds. I'm not done. I'm not done. Let me finish. I understand that. i'm I'm saying, but we see what good defenses do to teams and you still need a good defense to compete. You need studs across the defensive line.
00:05:22
Roger Emeka
um um yeah but you think we're not, we're not, content we're not contenders.
00:05:36
Fab
You need studs across in the secondary. And then let's say we pick our, I don't care what we pick our quarterback next. If it's a second round, third round, whoever it is. the whole And then 2025 is a dumpster fire. We go three and 14 again, or we go two and 15 or whatever it is.
00:05:52
Fab
Clean house completely, which is probably what's going to happen. Shane is gone. Shane is gone. Dable is gone. And then whoever comes in picks their guy a quarterback in 2026. 2025 was
00:06:03
Roger Emeka
Knock the floor is yours.
00:06:04
Fab
twenty twenty five was a punt anyways, guys.
00:06:04
Nacc
Oh, thank God. I was about to...
00:06:06
Fab
It was a punt.
00:06:07
Nacc
I thought I was forgotten over here for a second. I just kept going. Yeah, i don't know.
00:06:11
Fab
You're telling
00:06:12
Nacc
As Roger said, you I think you're drinking the drinking some different type of Kool-Aid than that than a lot.
00:06:15
Fab
me that I'm wrong? Convince me otherwise, please. I want to hear this.
00:06:20
Nacc
so So my number one thing, I was thinking about this a lot today. With Winston there, i always I always knew from the beginning, they signed Winston to that small deal. It was backup quarterback money. He's no more than a backup to me in the in the NFL.
00:06:32
Nacc
his His stats kind of prove that. But then you go ahead and you sign Russell Wilson. And obviously, Russell Wilson expects to be the starter. Now, let me to give you a scenario where you do draft Shador Sanders.
00:06:45
Nacc
You are telling me that daddy is going to be okay with Shador Sanders being number three on the depth chart, being the emergency quarterback and inactive on every Sunday of the year for 2025.
00:06:59
Fab
You're going to tell me that the whole basis of your argument is how Deion Sanders
Shador Sanders: Influence & Impact
00:07:02
Fab
is going to feel about him being drafted.
00:07:04
Nacc
Yeah, because he won't let him go there. We know he's going to have influence.
00:07:05
Fab
ah Okay.
00:07:06
Roger Emeka
and and it's And it's going to have an impact on the team morale.
00:07:07
Nacc
we know
00:07:07
Fab
I thought this was a serious, I thought this was a serious podcast.
00:07:08
Nacc
for
00:07:09
Fab
Really?
00:07:12
Nacc
I
00:07:12
Roger Emeka
It's... it's and Like, how are you handling, how do you how are you going to carry three quarterbacks, man? Like, it doesn't, and if you're drafting him, and cle anyways, i don't want i don't want to get and wants to get I don't want us to get too deep into the to the to the QBs because we're going to talk about it.
00:07:22
Nacc
i don't i don't ah don't see it's going to work.
00:07:29
Roger Emeka
Nak, who do you think would be the week one starter, though?
00:07:32
Nacc
Russell Wilson, without, without hesitation of a doubt, whoever they draft, no matter what happens, Russell Wilson starts week one. I, I said it from when Winston was signed. I believe he was not going to be the week one starter.
00:07:43
Nacc
I it was a guarantee in, in, in my mind. And honestly, like the numbers, like, are you know, we had, he had 2,100 yards, 13 touchdowns, 12 interceptions.
00:07:46
Roger Emeka
Thank you.
00:07:52
Nacc
He had two pick sixes, five of the seven games he started. He threw at least one pick. Uh, he had three games where he threw three picks. Um, Turnover central. Like, i don't know that's what you were looking for in a starter. Like, yeah, sure, no risk and no biscuit, but he turns the ball over way, way, way too much.
00:08:11
Nacc
Then you have Russell Wilson last year. Like, decent season, but not great. Definitely fell apart at the end of the year, which is, I guess, one of the reasons why Pittsburgh did not want to sign him.
00:08:18
Fab
Thank you.
00:08:20
Nacc
Just under 2,500 yards, 16 TDs, 5 INTs, which translates 25 TDs 8 interceptions in 17-game season, he's healthy.
00:08:20
Roger Emeka
Thank you.
00:08:25
Nacc
twenty five tds and eight interceptions in a seventeen game season if he's if he's healthy but I mean, they're all both of those quarterbacks are on their third team in three years.
00:08:37
Nacc
There's a reason why teams didn't sign these guys, right? Like, why did Winston take so long to sign? Why did Russell take so long to sign? Three teams in...
00:08:48
Nacc
Three years is quite telling, and I just i don't know how it's going to work. like People are still saying that they they have Sanders still in their sights, and that's who they might want to get, or they're going to target a quarterback still at at three.
00:08:59
Nacc
I just don't know how that QB room dynamic is going to be with three guys um in that room and Sanders obviously going in as most likely number three to to start off.
00:09:11
Roger Emeka
So I think when we get to the QBs and we get to Shador and the fact that the Browns are very much in play, I think we're probably going to rekindle this discussion in a few minutes.
Stefon Diggs to Patriots: Impact on Drake May
00:09:19
Nacc
And just if if I just add one thing, you know, Fab, you mentioned that the QB room got better.
00:09:19
Roger Emeka
um Yeah, go for it.
00:09:26
Nacc
um Ask the Steelers how that went last year when you had like lame duck guys on one year contracts and and having to turn it over the year after.
00:09:30
Roger Emeka
Exactly, exactly.
00:09:35
Nacc
I think they've turned it over and out full room two years in a row. I think that was that's the best comparison I have is like they had both of them last year. They fumbled it. it was like it was
00:09:45
Roger Emeka
I agree with that.
00:09:45
Nacc
it was a And it was a controversy really all year, right?
00:09:45
Roger Emeka
i group
00:09:49
Nacc
Like Fields was not happy that he was benched and like who knows what happens. and It's just then you add Shadr to them. I don't know. It's it's just ah it's it's a weird dynamic for me in my in my opinion. know
00:09:58
Roger Emeka
and And you know what that does, NAC? I find that makes the QB play safe. Like I've said it all year, right? Like Russell Wilson played super safe. It was either moon ball or check down. Same thing with Fields.
00:10:08
Nacc
Yeah.
00:10:09
Roger Emeka
Did not want to throw the ball downfield. So we're going to touch upon this way more along the lines of the show once we really touch into the QBs. But I wanted to just quickly get both of your thoughts on Diggs to the Pats.
00:10:20
Roger Emeka
Three years, 69 million players. Basically, it's one-year, it could be in theory a one-year deal where he gets $26 million dollars guaranteed. Nak, what do you feel about this deal for the Pats? Do you feel they finally got a wide receiver that they can rely upon?
00:10:35
Nacc
Hey, look, at first when I saw the numbers, before we saw the guarantees, I thought that they they overpaid a little bit, especially for a guy coming off an ACL um injury. ah And look, I think they got desperate and they needed a guy, right? And that was the best one available at this um at this point.
00:10:53
Roger Emeka
Thank you.
00:10:54
Nacc
Look, I think if he wants to mentor young guys and and whatever, and now, like I said, once we saw the guarantees, i have no problem with this. They needed an alpha on that team. They needed someone on the outside.
00:11:05
Nacc
ah Definitely going to help Drake May for sure. And Diggs was on his way to a very productive season before he got injured. So, um yeah, I got to say all in all, good deal.
00:11:16
Fab
Thank
00:11:17
Nacc
I like it. And like said, like you just alluded to, a it's pretty much a one-year deal. So if it doesn't work out, they can get rid of him next year and and move on.
00:11:26
Roger Emeka
Yeah, he was on pace for over 1,000 yards. I think he was at three touchdowns, if I'm not mistaken, ah through eight games. So again, a very solid season. And and we know how how much CJ Stroud struggled last year.
00:11:39
Roger Emeka
So ah let's see what happens with Drake May.
00:11:39
Nacc
Mm-hmm.
00:11:41
Roger Emeka
Fab, any thoughts, quick thoughts on Stefan Dix to New England?
00:11:45
Fab
No, they needed to do it. i think it was a bit of a desperation move, but then again, I think it also fits very nicely too. I think this is going to be the best wide receiver that Drake May has ever played with in the NFL by far. So it's gonna be definitely beneficial for him too.
Cam Ward as Top Draft Pick: Comparisons & Fit
00:11:57
Fab
And even from a fantasy standpoint, this does give a bump in my opinion to Drake May, maybe more than it does to Diggs.
00:12:04
Fab
But I like this move for the Pats a lot. It makes sense.
00:12:08
Roger Emeka
Yeah, and like May kind of has that Josh Allen type profile in terms of how he plays and his escapability.
00:12:14
Fab
Yeah.
00:12:15
Roger Emeka
So I'm sure Diggs will be able to transfer some of his knowledge from working with Josh onto to Drake. So we're going to move on to the quarterback class of the 2025 NFL draft.
00:12:27
Roger Emeka
So we're going to start with Cam Ward out of Miami, Heisman finalist. So again, we're going to go through best case, worst case scenario for these guys, give you guys some relatively real life comparisons with current or ex NFL players.
00:12:44
Roger Emeka
And then you we'll go through the strengths and we'll go through weaknesses, a scouting report and some best fits for them from a fantasy perspective. um So with regards to Cam Ward, he just had his pro day a few few days ago, looked really good.
00:12:55
Roger Emeka
You know, a lot of ah kind of bootleg type stuff that Zach Wilson did. Obviously, you know, no one wants to get catfished from that again. But for me, when I see Cam Ward, the first thing I think of is that release. its It's a sidearm release. He looks like a pitcher throwing sidearm.
00:13:11
Roger Emeka
So I got a lot of like a more mobile Philip Rivers from a from a comparison standpoint. Jordan Love as well in terms of like the slot the slot the arm slots that he use uses, really ability to push the ball downfield, a little bit careless with the ball from time to time.
00:13:27
Roger Emeka
Some worst case scenarios that I saw were ah Charles Robinson and Matt Harmon of Yahoo mentioned you either Zach Wilson, but I thought Jameis Winston was actually a really good one. Whereas there were times during his college career, whether it's at Washington State or in my at Miami, was a bit careless with the ball. So um right now he seems to be the projected number one overall pick. Most mock drafts have him going to Tennessee. it sounds like most of the Tennessee brass was at the pro day and more and more the smoke is really showing that he's going to go to to the Titans.
00:13:58
Roger Emeka
Fab, what are your thoughts on Cam Ward? Do you feel he warrants this consensus number one overall pick?
00:14:05
Fab
Yeah, without a doubt. i think he's, I think he's the best passer in the class, to be honest with you. and I think I like the comp to Jordan Love quite a bit. ah His pro day was, was really nice to watch. He really hit all every single throw that you're looking for right now. he was really hitting them on the money.
00:14:21
Fab
I like the fact that he's gone through a few different programs and i like the fact he was able to succeed in various different programs and in various different colleges too.
00:14:27
Roger Emeka
Mm-hmm.
00:14:29
Fab
and And he's had a, Nice body of work as far as gameplay is concerned as well, right? So i think it's I think he's easily or firmly within the number one overall pick contention, number one quarter quarterback off the ah off the board.
00:14:44
Fab
think the Titans are going to have a very good starter for a long time too. I think, yeah what's his name? Will Levis? Will Levis is not going to be a thing of the past, honestly. I think the worst thing that could have happened to Will Levis was the Titans not trading out of the first overall pick.
00:14:58
Roger Emeka
what you think?
00:15:01
Nacc
Yeah, I had actually a comparison to um early Deshaun Watson um days. um He's like, he's pretty mobile, like like he is kind of throwing with Deshaun Watson.
00:15:10
Roger Emeka
Yeah, I like that.
00:15:12
Nacc
Deshaun Watson we knew before, um you know, pre-massage. um Elite playmaking ability. He does have good playmaking ability, so great ah brokeca can create explosive break please excuse me when um when things break down but The things that we saw is his footwork needs a little bit of refinement.
00:15:32
Nacc
What I liked actually in his pro day was the last the last little shot. He did a little Philly special, which no one's done before, which was pretty cool. He had a he actually caught he actually caught a pass, which was which was pretty funny.
00:15:40
Roger Emeka
Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:15:44
Nacc
um He tends to hold the ball a little bit for too long, so that's going to be an issue in the NFL, I find.
00:15:49
Fab
yeah
00:15:52
Nacc
Something you can correct, so nothing like it's not going to be too crazy, but... um Look, he's the consensus number one pick for sure, but in a weaker class than let's say we had last year.
00:16:04
Nacc
um And again, we know how the QB position dominates these drafts, especially lately. so
00:16:11
Roger Emeka
So, not worry where would you where would you have picked him if he was in last year's class? I'm really curious to know your thoughts thoughts on this.
00:16:17
Nacc
So obviously after Caleb, after Jaden, after May, then you get into who was picked right after them.
00:16:23
Roger Emeka
JJ and...
00:16:24
Fab
JJ.
00:16:24
Nacc
Was it JJ after?
00:16:25
Roger Emeka
Sorry, no, Penix, and then... Penix, JJ, and then Bo Nix. Okay.
00:16:30
Nacc
Right. JJ is the thing, like, maybe pick him before JJ.
00:16:34
Fab
It's hard to judge.
00:16:35
Nacc
It's hard to judge. We didn't really see him play.
00:16:35
Fab
Yeah.
00:16:36
Nacc
So, i'm i'm you know, he's saw he was off an injury. I don't know. Maybe maybe before or right before Penix, maybe. But I don't know. I really like Penix. I'm not sure. Like, he probably would have went fourth or fifth QB off the board last year, I would say.
00:16:53
Roger Emeka
So, go ahead, Fab.
00:16:53
Fab
Hmm.
00:16:55
Roger Emeka
What you think?
00:16:56
Fab
i see him I see him in the same spot as Drake May.
00:16:56
Roger Emeka
Hmm.
00:16:59
Fab
I see him around there. i think i think I think Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels, the ceiling is much, much too high. But from a passing perspective, I really see him in the same level as Drake May. Pennix, we didn't see enough of him.
00:17:12
Fab
And J.J. McCarthy, obviously, like apart from what he did in practice, where he threw 40 touchdowns, which is fantastic, but it's practice.
00:17:16
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:17:18
Fab
talking about practice.
00:17:19
Roger Emeka
but even But even JJ, it was pro-style offense at Michigan, but he did not need to throw the ball at all. They were heavily reliant on a running game and heavily reliant on you know a few throws here and there, and they're a really good defense at Michigan.
00:17:27
Fab
Yeah.
00:17:33
Roger Emeka
So JJ is one where like there's a lot of great talk about him, but I would kind of agree. I would pencil in either between panni around the Pennix-JJ area. I think what he has over Pennix is the escapability.
00:17:42
Nacc
Yeah.
00:17:45
Nacc
Mm-hmm.
00:17:45
Roger Emeka
um I don't know if he ran the 40 Cam Ward did at at his pro day, but um like I know Penix had a really good 40. It was like 4-4-6, but he never showed that escapability. Hence kind of the issues he had in the national championship game. So um I think with Ward, you you really hit it in the head, Nak.
00:18:05
Roger Emeka
And it seems like a lot of these guys, they hold the ball too long these days.
00:18:08
Nacc
Mm-hmm.
00:18:08
Roger Emeka
like whether it's Like, Caleb had the same thing, right?
00:18:08
Fab
Yeah.
00:18:10
Roger Emeka
um You know, you go through the the list. Like, a lot of guys now are holding
Cam Ward & Tennessee Titans: A Good Fit?
00:18:14
Roger Emeka
the ball. We're to talk about it, too, we obviously, with Shadour. But do we really think the Titans are the best fit for him? Is there anywhere else? If you look at it, maybe from a fansy fantasy perspective, obviously, from the realistic selections selections that are available within the top three, is there anywhere else that outside of the Titans that we would have maybe preferred him from a fantasy standpoint?
00:18:33
Roger Emeka
Day one, thinking in a 2QB league?
00:18:38
Nacc
ma The Giants, for sure. You should have the prototypical, you know, WR1.
00:18:43
Fab
Yeah.
00:18:45
Nacc
um Then who else is looking for a QB? You could have had... i would have liked Vegas better, too, at 8.
00:18:49
Fab
Yeah.
00:18:52
Nacc
Vegas could have been a...
00:18:52
Roger Emeka
With Chip Kelly, it would have been fantastic.
00:18:54
Nacc
Yeah, that would have been that would have been a better fit.
00:18:54
Fab
Yeah.
00:18:56
Nacc
Titans, it feels like it's a boring team. I feel like no QB is good for the for the Titans. It seems like ah a boring, boring, boring team. And they have, what, they have Ridley there?
00:19:06
Fab
yeah
00:19:07
Roger Emeka
They lost Akine.
00:19:07
Nacc
There's not...
00:19:08
Nacc
Yeah, and there's really there's really not much there.
00:19:09
Fab
yeah
00:19:10
Nacc
So I don't is that i don't know. like Consent is not going sure, but I feel like he's going to struggle mightily in in year one.
00:19:13
Fab
I could have seen it.
00:19:17
Roger Emeka
So...
00:19:17
Nacc
I don't think he'll have much fantasy relevance.
00:19:20
Fab
No, I agree.
00:19:21
Nacc
What am I?
00:19:21
Roger Emeka
Revolence revalent
00:19:22
Nacc
Relevance. Relevance.
00:19:23
Roger Emeka
Relevance, yes. That's actually a great point because I've seen people say that the Titans should trade down because they just don't have the roster for him. I know they made some improvements on the offensive line. There the guy you alluded to, Nak, I think, was it Dan Moore who got, was that his name?
00:19:37
Nacc
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:19:38
Roger Emeka
Who got like $80 million, $40 million or so guaranteed, who wasn't a very good offensive tackle.
00:19:38
Fab
Yeah.
00:19:44
Roger Emeka
So I don't know if the infrastructure is really there for Cam Moore to succeed as of day one. And if you're going to go in that situation, you have to be... Fab, your favorite word, force multiplier. I think Cam Ward is that.
00:19:57
Fab
That's your word, bud.
00:19:57
Roger Emeka
think Thank you. i think he's that, but I think it might be a bit of a struggle um as of day one. Fab, any lasting words on on Cam Ward?
00:20:09
Fab
I think he would do better in Cleveland than he would do in Tennessee, to be honest with you.
00:20:12
Nacc
well
00:20:12
Fab
I know that's a bit of a stretch, but Cleveland do have a decent offensive line and they have arguably better weapons, both from an offensive perspective.
00:20:20
Fab
So.
00:20:21
Nacc
because they've Because they've shown they could develop a quarterback.
00:20:24
Fab
I'm not saying it would be better from a development standpoint.
00:20:25
Roger Emeka
Stefanski has. Stefanski has.
00:20:26
Fab
Talking about fantasy, Mac, let's stay on point here. I think right off the bat over here, he would, right like, you you can argue he'd better at QB2 in Cleveland than in Tennessee. But, yeah, I don't like Cam Ward going to Tennessee. It sucks for Cam Ward, in my opinion.
00:20:43
Fab
But that's just
Shador Sanders: Top QB Prospect Analysis
00:20:44
Fab
another conversation for now.
00:20:44
Roger Emeka
Well, yeah. Well, if you...
00:20:47
Fab
They're missing a lot. They're missing a lot. i know they have Calvin Ridley, but then who else do they have?
00:20:53
Roger Emeka
Chigakonkwo.
00:20:55
Fab
Sure.
00:20:56
Roger Emeka
we hunt we We're still on Chigakonkos season.
00:20:56
Nacc
You love your tight ends, man.
00:20:59
Nacc
My God.
00:20:59
Roger Emeka
We're
00:21:00
Nacc
You and your tight ends.
00:21:00
Fab
Sure.
00:21:02
Nacc
Him and the one from New Orleans, bro. The best tight ends.
00:21:04
Fab
joe Juwan Jennings.
00:21:05
Nacc
John Jennings.
00:21:07
Fab
He got paid this offseason, man.
00:21:08
Roger Emeka
season.
00:21:09
Fab
Put some respect on his name.
00:21:09
Roger Emeka
I love you love me a mediocre and love me a mediocre tight end.
00:21:10
Fab
He got paid this offseason.
00:21:11
Nacc
Yeah, he got paid way too much.
00:21:13
Roger Emeka
I love me a mediocre tight end.
00:21:14
Nacc
Yeah.
00:21:16
Roger Emeka
Let's move on to Shadr Sanders. My my guy, Shadr Sanders.
00:21:20
Nacc
The piece de resistance.
00:21:21
Roger Emeka
out of colorado Out of Colorado. So, best... I'm curious what you...
00:21:25
Nacc
Colorado State or?
00:21:27
Fab
Colorado. Just Colorado this time. Just Colorado.
00:21:30
Roger Emeka
Just Colorado, man.
00:21:31
Fab
he try He transferred from last week to this week.
00:21:35
Roger Emeka
um So, Shadour, curious what you guys think. So, best case scenario, I put late career Geno Smith. Because of the ability to really stay in the pocket, tough, tough as nails, and kind of hit dagger throws downfield.
00:21:52
Roger Emeka
Nak, I know you were laughing at this one, but poor man's Joe Burrow. I saw a lot of Joe... Not only did I see a lot of Joe Burrow comps, but there's the fact that he's started many games in his career. I feel he's cerebral. he has that cerebral ability like Joe Burrow.
00:22:07
Roger Emeka
And guys who are somewhat athletic but don't rely upon that and are and are fairly accurate.
00:22:15
Nacc
And it's funny, I put it in chat GPT just to see. And comp, one of the comps Burrow Lite version. So I'll give you your flowers on that one.
00:22:25
Roger Emeka
I did not use Again, we're mad.
00:22:27
Nacc
ah No, and I know you didn't. I know you didn't. i That's why I wanted to give you your flowers. because And I have seen it elsewhere, not to be to be quite honest. So maybe you're right. maybe I saw a lot of i saw a lot of also Dak Prescott-ish, pocket passer, thrower downfield type deal.
00:22:43
Fab
Yeah. Yeah. I read that too.
00:22:44
Nacc
um I could see a lot of Dak Prescott in him. But look, yeah he's got elite accuracy and ball placement. That's for sure. um Football IQ is is off the charts, obviously, with with his dad and being around football his whole his whole life. So I'm not too, too worried.
00:23:00
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:23:00
Nacc
um
00:23:02
Nacc
The arm strength is a bit of a concern. That's what a lot of people talk about. That's like the most ah most people worry that he might not be able to throw his receivers downfield.
00:23:06
Fab
Mm-hmm.
00:23:13
Nacc
a little bit little athleticism and takes way too many sacks. So that's a big issue.
00:23:18
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:23:20
Nacc
Those are only going to be highlighted more at the NFL level where it's a lot faster. Again, now projected to be the second QB off the board, which obviously with the class that it is, I definitely agree that he should be the second QB off the board.
00:23:36
Nacc
I know that a lot of people have him going to Cleveland. And as we alluded to before, you know, daddy's going to get involved in, in where he goes. doesn't want to go where a, you know, in a, in a bad situation.
00:23:48
Nacc
I'm not too sure how he's going to ruin, ruin that really, but
00:23:51
Roger Emeka
I don't know about that. I don't know. I don't know about that. He seemed fairly quiet so far. Like maybe maybe sure if it's a giant situation where he's like the fourth QB on the depth chart, like if he's behind Tommy DeVito even.
00:24:01
Nacc
no, I don't think he would be that.
00:24:01
Fab
No, he would never be behind him.
00:24:02
Nacc
I think, I think, I think they'd cut, I think they'd cut the Vito. I know that it would, I know that it was, he was, uh,
00:24:05
Fab
Yeah.
00:24:07
Nacc
He was tendered, so is all his money is guaranteed, but it's only a couple million dollars. So I think at that point, you're cutting DeVito. But I'm just saying, for me, again, I don't want to repeat myself, but I think having him number three is is just not ah not a great...
00:24:21
Nacc
great look. And if the giants don't take him, does he slide to, you know, does Vegas take him at eight? Does do the saints go after a quarterback?
00:24:30
Roger Emeka
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:32
Nacc
Is that somewhere where they might say, Hmm, we're going to go grab a quarterback with, with Derek Carr, you know, one foot out the door or, you know, people have him. Does he slide all the way down to the end of the first and like Steelers at 21.
00:24:44
Nacc
Then there's also the Rams that could potentially like come into play.
00:24:46
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:24:48
Nacc
Like that would be imagine Schroeder in l LA. all that spotlight in LA, like that would be, that would be a circus.
00:24:51
Fab
Yeah.
00:24:54
Nacc
So it's good honestly, it's going to be interesting. It's, I feel like he either goes in the top eight or he drastically falls and goes like Aaron Rogers style down the ladder.
00:25:08
Roger Emeka
Fab, what do you think? what do you think it's a like Talk about the Browns and then maybe what, like again, I want to elaborate on this the scenarios where he would fall further.
00:25:13
Fab
yep
00:25:17
Fab
the I think the Browns should be drafting him because the Browns are in a QB purgatory right now and they have no cap space. So this makes no sense to me at all for them not to draft Shooter Sanders at two ah because they've been clear that they want to get out of the whole Deshaun Watson sweepstakes or whatever that is right now.
00:25:32
Fab
And today there was a ridiculous rumor about them trading for Dak Prescott or whatever. I don't know. But they' they're just...
00:25:39
Roger Emeka
That's NBA Centel-ish.
00:25:41
Fab
Yeah, yeah, whatever. But rumors are circulating. So sometimes when there's smoke, there's fire. And we've been hearing about it last year, too, that even the whole Deshaun Watson thing, like they want out of that horrible contract. If you have a good QB on a rookie deal, it makes things a lot easier. So if I'm Cleveland, I'm taking Shadir Sanders, to be honest with you.
00:26:01
Fab
um i I hope he falls to the Giants at three, but that's a different conversation. I think Shadir Sanders is probably the best quarterback in the draft. And I said before that Cam Moore the best passer.
00:26:12
Fab
But Shudder Sanders has that anticipatory throw.
00:26:15
Roger Emeka
Yes. Yes.
00:26:16
Fab
He has precision. And even even though he's taken so many sacks, he still put up very good numbers. He still put up very good numbers under pressure.
00:26:28
Fab
He doesn't have maybe the best deep ball. You know what? But his... is's is his target, his completion percentage is off the charts. And that's not a mistake when you do it consistently for so many years.
00:26:42
Fab
um I know Cam Ward was joking. it's like, yeah, it's because you're throwing out in the flat all the time. no wonder you have a high completion percentage, but you know what? At the same time, those types of throws matter where you know that you're going to be under pressure and you can bail out and you can throw it to the open man.
00:26:53
Roger Emeka
Yes. yes
00:26:55
Fab
So I, I, I don't, I like him a lot as a prospect. I came around a little bit in the last few weeks, to be honest with you. and And the beginning of last year, I was very much out on Sanders because I didn't want anything to do with his circus. And I was just all in on Cam Ward.
00:27:09
Fab
But he's a very, very, very smart quarterback that and that always translates well to the NFL. So I see him being as probably the best quarterback prospect in in this entire group.
00:27:23
Fab
You know, we.
00:27:23
Roger Emeka
um
00:27:24
Fab
Yes, sorry. Go ahead.
00:27:25
Roger Emeka
um Amazing in the red zone.
00:27:26
Fab
Yeah.
00:27:27
Roger Emeka
71% completion percentage in the red zone. 6.3% off-target percentage.
00:27:29
Fab
Yeah.
00:27:31
Roger Emeka
18 touchdowns.
00:27:33
Fab
And he played behind a very bad offensive line too at Colorado.
00:27:35
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:27:35
Fab
So that I'm not saying it's...
00:27:37
Nacc
Did he play? I don't un remember the schedule. Did he play very many good teams last year?
00:27:40
Roger Emeka
So that's a good point. Yeah, so that that's a good point.
00:27:42
Fab
That, yeah.
00:27:43
Nacc
Like,
00:27:44
Roger Emeka
um I don't, he played Kansas State, which were they were, Kansas State was was pretty decent. ah Utah would have been in the schedule. Like Utah is always tough, but the Big 12 was, they kind of had a bad, eat like a down year. So like I think that's that's a fair point, NAC. Like the Big 12 was a bit of a down year.
00:28:02
Roger Emeka
um That allows some of their wide receivers to obviously, obviously Hunter, but even some of their other wide receivers to kind of eat on lesser lesser competition.
00:28:06
Fab
Mm-hmm.
00:28:09
Nacc
Yeah.
00:28:11
Roger Emeka
um The worst case scenario, i had put Andy Dalton, Teddy Bridgewater. That is alluding to the fact that he's not a guy who could drive the ball as well as maybe some of the other top prospects and also can't necessarily be elusive against.
00:28:26
Roger Emeka
Like Teddy Bridgewater is one I i could really see where, you know, Bridgewater, when everything was perfect, looked fantastic. But, you know, if you got him out of his spot, if you got him out of his spot, he had to kind of extend to win.
00:28:38
Roger Emeka
That wasn't something that he was he was able to do. Yeah, yeah, fab.
00:28:42
Fab
just I was reading some comps. I know we said Joe Burrow Light and and all this other stuff. i actually read a comp about Drew Brees. He's a precision pocket passer. and i was like you know that's
00:28:51
Roger Emeka
Hmm.
00:28:52
Fab
Obviously, that is an ideal scenario, but it's when you're just comparing their ah traits, i mean it yeah it it does make a little bit more sense than the other comps you've had.
00:29:04
Nacc
I'm honestly curious to watch him in the NFL and see how it how it translates and he if he could do it and be franchise QB. I'm rooting for him because it would be good for the NFL.
00:29:16
Roger Emeka
i
00:29:18
Nacc
um
00:29:19
Fab
Yeah, for sure.
00:29:20
Roger Emeka
I think he has the the highest floor.
00:29:23
Fab
Yeah.
00:29:24
Roger Emeka
And maybe his ceiling is not quite as high as Cam Ward's, but...
00:29:27
Nacc
so But let me ask you, where are you drafting him as opposed to last year's
00:29:28
Roger Emeka
Yeah, go ahead.
Jackson Dart's Rising Draft Stock
00:29:32
Nacc
quarterbacks?
00:29:32
Roger Emeka
Yeah, absolutely. Um...
00:29:37
Roger Emeka
I think it's the same thing. It's like, it's a struggle between Penix and JJ.
00:29:41
Nacc
and j j
00:29:41
Fab
Yeah.
00:29:42
Roger Emeka
um Like he has a very similar profile to Nick's where Nick's got penalized and docked a lot for kind of throws at the line of scrimmage. So like that, that was a big book on that from him.
00:29:53
Roger Emeka
JJ for me is like probably last, like in terms of if I were to peg him versus like Cam Ward and Shadr Sanders and I'm struggling between Penix. I'd even put Nick's over, over Jade.
00:30:03
Roger Emeka
I'd probably put Nick's over.
00:30:04
Nacc
Yeah, well, that's what thats you see like that that's why this is it's a hard exercise because I'd probably put Bo Nix ahead of all of these guys and then and then Sanders would fall right underneath as well as Cam Ward.
00:30:04
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:30:04
Fab
Amen.
00:30:06
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:30:12
Roger Emeka
So before we move before we move on to the the next QB, just one scenario I just thought about now.
00:30:21
Roger Emeka
What if the Niners took Shudder Sanders? Saying that they don't want to pick Brock Purdy.
00:30:28
Nacc
Wow. There has been reports that they're they're negotiating...
00:30:30
Roger Emeka
Signed by Purdy.
00:30:32
Nacc
like they're talking on a new, on a new deal and it's going to be a big, it's going a big figure.
00:30:36
Fab
yeah eleven
00:30:39
Nacc
The problem I see there is the Niners got pillaged this, this summer and they're going to need to spend high draft picks in key positions.
00:30:47
Roger Emeka
Yeah. 11th.
00:30:48
Nacc
So that's where I don't think, where they're picking. and
00:30:51
Roger Emeka
eleventh
00:30:51
Nacc
Yeah.
00:30:51
Fab
11th i think if sanders drops he drops all the way to the steelers
00:30:52
Nacc
I don't, I don't think they're going to take a QB at 11. I think for them, it's just not going to make sense. I think they're
00:31:03
Nacc
Yeah, like I said, my my wild cards are if he gets past gets past the Giants, the Giants decide they don't want him, gets past the Browns. The team I'm really looking at is Vegas, if they don't want to go Genty, and then you have the Saints, right?
00:31:20
Nacc
And after that, like most of these teams are not picking a quarterback, and then you have, again, Pittsburgh, Rams,
00:31:28
Roger Emeka
Pittsburgh and Ram. Yeah. to To me, Saints is a must.
00:31:30
Fab
Yeah.
00:31:31
Roger Emeka
Like, if the Saints are there, man, they have to because they're not going anywhere to take their car.
00:31:33
Nacc
Yeah, it only like that's what I'm saying. like Saints are 9?
00:31:37
Roger Emeka
Saints are ninth. Yeah.
00:31:38
Fab
Yep.
00:31:38
Nacc
Yeah, 8 and 9.
00:31:39
Nacc
That's my wild card right there. It's like Vegas vegas and...
00:31:42
Roger Emeka
carolina Carolina's eighth. So it's Vegas six, Jets seven. Jets, jets I wouldn't.
00:31:46
Nacc
Oh, 6, excuse me.
00:31:46
Roger Emeka
ah Yeah, Jets, I don't know.
00:31:48
Fab
Jets too.
00:31:48
Roger Emeka
Like, Jets, I don't know.
00:31:49
Fab
Yeah, Jets are...
00:31:50
Roger Emeka
like Like, you know, I don't know.
00:31:51
Nacc
You're right.
00:31:52
Fab
Jets good.
00:31:52
Nacc
The Jets could turn around and be like, sure, you know?
00:31:54
Fab
Yep.
00:31:57
Roger Emeka
ah ultimately my preference is don't care if we have Jameis with a Giants fan perspective. Don't care if we have Jameis. Don't care if for have Russ. Get QB. I even said it last year. Just get a QB.
00:32:08
Roger Emeka
I don't know if we're going to be in this position again next year. If they are, adios to Joe Shane and Brian Dable.
00:32:14
Fab
Mm-hmm.
00:32:14
Roger Emeka
But I personally like Shador enough.
00:32:15
Nacc
but would you Would you take Shadr at three or would you prefer to wait and maybe draft some of these i guys we're going to talk about in the second or third round?
00:32:24
Roger Emeka
So I think that's
00:32:25
Nacc
and and maybe go And then if you do you know bottom out, you go for a better class in 2026.
00:32:30
Roger Emeka
Yeah, so, I mean, great segue. I would definitely take Shadur at three because I like him that much of as a prospect.
00:32:35
Fab
yeah
00:32:36
Roger Emeka
um So I think it's a great segue to move on to Jackson Dart out of Ole Miss. So my my buddy Ryan Brown is a big fan of ah Jackson Dart.
00:32:48
Roger Emeka
He came through the USC system and um kind of, you know, had some struggles there. They they obviously had – they went through, um you know, with the Caleb Williams transfer when he was from Oklahoma.
00:33:00
Roger Emeka
ah So that's where Jackson Dart went to Ole Miss with Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin, who also has some ties to USC. So comparison I have, i know Fab, you laughed at this, but Carson Wentz, either best case or worst case.
00:33:13
Roger Emeka
Carson Wentz at his height could be best case. And then Carson Wentz, you know, after kind of his ego struggles where, you know, he was MVP at first and he he got injured. um What do you guys think of that? Any other any other comparisons that you you guys have heard?
00:33:27
Roger Emeka
Best caseworth case, worst case?
00:33:28
Nacc
baker Baker Mayfield.
00:33:31
Roger Emeka
That's a very good one. Yeah, that's I like that one a lot.
00:33:32
Fab
Yeah, I got a bad one. I got Gardner Minshew as a comp. I don't know how I feel about that, to be honest with you. I think that's more on the low end if he doesn't perform all that well.
00:33:40
Roger Emeka
Yeah, yeah. I like...
00:33:42
Nacc
ah even i even, like, little bit of a Big Ben to some extent as well, I find, just because he's he has a big arm and he's able, he's able like, he's he's mobile enough to to create, you know, plays, but, like, obviously Big Ben was never going to run away, never going to, you know, speed down the field, but has that ability to kind of make plays and plays with confidence, right?
00:34:04
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:34:05
Nacc
He has he shows a lot of confidence in his in his play, I find. He's not scared to make the
00:34:10
Roger Emeka
Moxie.
00:34:11
Nacc
to throw um but obviously that leads into some cons where he tries to do too much at times and that's what's going to lead to mistakes and in the NFL like we said it's faster and it's going to be you know multiplied so and very big risk taker so he's going to take risks he's more of a project QB I find he's going to need some development but definitely could be good in in the league
00:34:11
Roger Emeka
lot of moxies.
00:34:11
Fab
Yeah.
00:34:33
Roger Emeka
Yeah, there was ah there was a game against Florida where he threw three picks in the last minute. Last minute in like three picks, like they threw a pick, they somehow got the ball back when it was a turnover through another one.
00:34:39
Nacc
yeah
00:34:44
Roger Emeka
He like he unraveled. So Fab, what are your thoughts on, I know you, you were, you were liking Dart a little bit for, for the Giants perspective. Felt like he felt like a Giants type QB right early on the draft. And, and I want to repeat something I said early on in the intro where Dart has been climbing only after the college football season.
00:35:03
Fab
Yeah.
00:35:03
Roger Emeka
During the college football season, he was squarely pegged as kind of a day two pick. So Fabio, your thoughts.
00:35:10
Fab
Well, we saw that with J.J. McCarthy last year, too, right? Like right after the season ended, right before the draft, he was rising up everybody's draft board. And I was i was excited for the J.J. McCarthy prospect last year because I figured we might be able to catch him in the second round. And clearly that wasn't the case.
00:35:24
Fab
Listen, he rated very high. He rated very high in throws against the Blitz in play action. So that has to obviously count for quite a bit, especially in the NFL right now. you He's a big boy, man. i like I think he's a bit more of a project than anything else. And you know from a Giants perspective, I know that Brian Dable enjoys having his project QBs with Josh Allen and so on and so forth.
00:35:50
Fab
But I wouldn't feel comfortable taking him with a third pick. I know he's been rising up draft boards quite a bit.
00:35:55
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:35:55
Fab
I think this is one of those scenarios where it's, I think the gap between him and Sanders is bigger than what people say. Like ah if the Giants do end up, or a QB needy team does end up needing, end up trading back into the first round to get him, that's great.
00:36:11
Fab
I know I've seen a lot of mocks of him going to the Steelers at 21. I think that makes a lot of sense in my opinion. um But, he He wouldn't normally get a first-round talent apart from the fact that he does play a position that is very, very needy.
00:36:27
Fab
And if we compare him to the QBs of last year like we've been doing so far on the podcast, I think he would slot after all of them.
Jackson Dart: First or Second Round Pick?
00:36:35
Fab
After Bo Nix, after J.J. Penick, after Penick, after J.J. McCarthy.
00:36:40
Fab
um I think there is a project here, but I don't think he should be drafted and starting in week one, that's for sure.
00:36:48
Roger Emeka
I think that's very fair. um One of the weaknesses I had was very RPO-laden offense.
00:36:55
Fab
I was going to say that.
00:36:55
Roger Emeka
So it's it's very gimmicky, like with a lot of a lot of college offenses.
00:36:56
Fab
Yep.
00:36:59
Roger Emeka
that's why he's probably much better against the Blitz, much better in play action.
00:37:02
Fab
Mm-hmm.
00:37:05
Roger Emeka
And Lynn Kiffin has had, so yeah, Lynn Kiffin, to remind everyone, was the coach for the Raiders back when they drafted Jamarcus Russell. And we all know how that turned out.
00:37:16
Roger Emeka
And in terms of some other QBs that he was the OC, USC was Matt Leinart. And Ryan's going to kill me for this because these are all like USC QBs that he absolutely loves. But Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez, Matt Barkley.
00:37:29
Roger Emeka
Matt Corral from Ole Miss a few years ago from the 2022 draft. Obviously, none of these guys really...
00:37:35
Nacc
Wait, Corral was... Wasn't Corral North Carolina?
00:37:40
Roger Emeka
Yes, always confuse Matt Corral with... ah No, no, Matt Corral was Ole Miss.
00:37:45
Nacc
thought it was North Carolina.
00:37:48
Roger Emeka
I'm confusing him with... No, he was Ole Miss.
00:37:51
Fab
but sorry
00:37:51
Roger Emeka
Yeah. He played for the Panthers.
00:37:53
Fab
Would you say this is a mixed track record or a bad track record?
00:37:54
Nacc
All right.
00:37:57
Roger Emeka
Very bad track record.
00:37:59
Fab
Right. Yeah. I mean, like what what what part of what part of that track record is good?
00:38:00
Roger Emeka
This awful. Like, and it's awful.
00:38:03
Nacc
It fits.
00:38:05
Fab
Mark Sanchez, Matt Leinart? Like they're not bad, but they're not franchise altering quarterbacks.
00:38:06
Roger Emeka
No.
00:38:10
Roger Emeka
So like again, like from what I've, from what I know from the Lane Keffen offense is that it's not geared towards developing QBs versus like a Shadour Sanders where it's, know, Pat Shurmur, it's more of a pro style offense.
00:38:17
Fab
Yeah.
00:38:22
Roger Emeka
This is very much like hut, clap, you know, fake to the running back RPO.
00:38:22
Fab
Yes.
00:38:27
Roger Emeka
And then right away, you know where your first read is.
00:38:28
Fab
yeah
00:38:30
Roger Emeka
So I think...
00:38:32
Nacc
in.
00:38:32
Roger Emeka
So that's not going to get you to start right away to to all your points, right? So I think it's i think it's a very rich, like, you know, giant Giants, maybe if they want to trade back.
00:38:45
Roger Emeka
I'm curious what you guys think, actually. Like, is it Giants if they want to trade back? Nak, I want to know what you think in terms of, like, you know, yeah, trade back in.
00:38:50
Nacc
trade back in
00:38:52
Roger Emeka
Let's say they want to get him, like, later in the later rounds.
00:38:55
Nacc
Yeah, well, i that's what honestly, that's how I feel he's probably going to get picked. He's going to be one of these QB team, QB needy teams that decide, hey, let's go for another position.
00:39:06
Nacc
We have, like the like again, like the Giants, perfect scenario. We have Russell Wilson. We have Jameis Winston. Can we afford to, hey, let's take an Abdul Carter or a Hunter and then either trade back into the second round or your, I mean, your second round pick is quite high.
00:39:22
Nacc
So again, this is a type of guy that's not, yes, he's going up draft boards, but that's just for mock drafts. Like he could definitely be back in the second round.
00:39:30
Fab
Yeah.
00:39:32
Roger Emeka
you
00:39:32
Nacc
And if, if, you know, a couple of QBs are off the board in the top of the second, like Again, you're not going to have the the Titans doubling up.
Jalen Milrow's Athleticism & Development
00:39:43
Nacc
You won't have the Browns doubling up.
00:39:45
Nacc
I could see the Giants waiting and saying, oh, you know what? We'll take Jackson Dart in the and the second and and kind of see what happens. But I feel like there's going to be a lot of teams, QB needy teams, that might try to cut back inside before the Giants pick again in in the second round. So if the Giants really do like him and don't take Shadur, they'll likely have to trade back into the first.
00:40:08
Roger Emeka
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:40:11
Roger Emeka
Moving on to another SEC quarterback, Jalen Milrow out of Alabama. So this guy is super polarizing. um put a best case comp of Tyra Taylor or less refined Justin Fields.
00:40:27
Roger Emeka
Worst case comp, I think this could be really interesting, Cordell Stewart.
00:40:31
Nacc
Yeah, slash.
00:40:33
Roger Emeka
Slash. So like his worst case is doesn't cut it as a QB or, you know, doesn't cut as a full-time QB. So up using him as like a wide receiver running backs against slash, like just all around the ballpark, pure football player.
00:40:47
Roger Emeka
um Fab, what are your thoughts on on Jalen Milrow?
00:40:50
Fab
Wasn't he asked during the combine if he wants to play a different position or not of out of position?
00:40:55
Roger Emeka
He's, he's been asked that in college many times.
00:40:56
Fab
thought I read somewhere. Yeah.
00:40:57
Nacc
Oh. Yeah, wide receiver. to Play wide receiver.
00:40:59
Fab
yeah Yeah. So that makes a lot of sense. um
00:41:02
Nacc
I loved i loved his his interview, by the way, when he rebuttaled that.
00:41:05
Roger Emeka
great but he's great like good kid
00:41:07
Fab
Yeah, no, he's elite, elite, elite, elite athleticism.
00:41:09
Nacc
Yep.
00:41:11
Fab
I think we all know that by now. um And also fantastic, like probably the strongest arm in, in, in the draft amongst the quarterbacks. I think it's very unrefined. I think we're looking at a player that needs a lot of polishing before he can be a consistent NFL starter.
00:41:26
Fab
Yeah. You were talking about comps, one of the comps that I read, and i don't know if i agree with this or not, but like Malik Willis, you know? So that could be an interesting sort of scenario, I guess.
00:41:37
Fab
But um that is a worst case.
00:41:38
Roger Emeka
that's a worst kate That's a really, really worst case. so
00:41:40
Fab
That is definitely worst case.
00:41:41
Roger Emeka
Mind he was good with the Packers, but...
00:41:42
Fab
yeah And relief. And relief for Jordan Love when he got injured.
00:41:43
Roger Emeka
Yeah, in relief.
00:41:47
Fab
I think this is a project. i think I think this is definitely a project quarterback. I think there's a lot of unknowns with him from from an ah inconsistent standpoint. And obviously he needs a lot of refinement with his mechanics.
00:41:57
Fab
but I think the athletic prospect is here. makes me think of Anthony Richardson a little bit.
00:42:03
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:42:03
Fab
So I don't know if you want to really go down that route again.
00:42:05
Nacc
Great, Tom.
00:42:07
Fab
um Yeah, i I would be, obviously, unless the price is right, you know, like if he's in the third or fourth round then i'm and I'm a QB needed team and I haven't gone after him yet, I could take a flyer on Jalen Milrow if I don't see any other position or player of value.
00:42:23
Fab
ah But I don't see him. creeping into the second round, to be honest with you. I think this is more of a round three, round four type guy.
00:42:33
Roger Emeka
what do you think? you think
00:42:34
Nacc
Yeah, his accuracy is not great. Needs to definitely improve on the short to midterm mid ah mid-range throws, should I say. um and definitely needs to read defenses quicker, so that goes back to holding on to the ball too long.
00:42:49
Nacc
um But as Fab said, cannon arm. He could throw the ball 60 yards with a flick of a wrist, and he's got a beautiful long ball. So that meshes well with teams that have go-route wide receivers. Yeah.
00:43:05
Nacc
But yeah, I think that what he said, it's it's a project. like You're not coming in starting day one. It's probably going to take a couple years before he's able to take control of an NFL offense. But to to to Fab's point, he's like a wild card. You grab him, and if it doesn't work out, or you even set it to like slash type guy, right you just maybe in a maybe playing in a different position and it can still be dangerous for your football team.
00:43:29
Fab
Yeah.
00:43:30
Roger Emeka
I can't wait for him to be Joe Webb, where he's eligible to be used at tight end.
00:43:35
Nacc
Yeah.
00:43:36
Fab
Yeah. I remember that.
00:43:37
Nacc
or Or the Saints.
00:43:37
Fab
I want a, I want a fast, I want a fancy championship with that.
00:43:39
Nacc
Who's the Saints guy?
00:43:40
Roger Emeka
Hill?
00:43:41
Nacc
Taysom Hill. Exactly. Another another comp.
00:43:42
Fab
Yeah.
00:43:43
Roger Emeka
Taysom Hill would be at... That's a really good comp. I don't know Yeah, that's a great one.
00:43:45
Nacc
Yeah.
00:43:45
Fab
That is a good comp.
00:43:46
Fab
Actually that works a lot. It works a lot better than, than Anthony Richardson.
00:43:46
Nacc
ta him
00:43:47
Nacc
Taysom Hill style.
00:43:50
Roger Emeka
I think in terms of team and, you know where... So obviously, like, you know, he would...
00:43:59
Roger Emeka
You'd pick any of the guys from last year over Jalen Milrow, for sure.
00:44:02
Nacc
Yeah.
00:44:02
Roger Emeka
and In terms of teams that give him the best opportunity to be a starter at some point, the Raiders for me would be number one. Again, Chip Kelly knows how to work with mobile quarterbacks. we saw what he do Even in the league with Colin Kaepernick and and Michael Vick.
00:44:21
Fab
I
00:44:23
Roger Emeka
I don't know. the The Giants, maybe with a different regime, I think they would fumble that. and Dable has, Dable's worked in Alabama, so
Tyler Shough: Late-Round Pick Analysis
00:44:30
Roger Emeka
he has that, yeah, is that Bama connection?
00:44:30
Fab
i was going to say there's that Bama connection that exists there.
00:44:34
Roger Emeka
ah To me, it's actually a telling sign if they trade they trade for it. They they trade whether back into the first or they just pick him in the second.
00:44:40
Fab
Yeah.
00:44:41
Roger Emeka
That's a really telling sign that they actually do believe in him. And if they don't, well, it's telling sign that they don't want him.
00:44:44
Fab
Yeah.
00:44:48
Roger Emeka
I just don't see him as a Steelers pick in the first. I think that's too rich, right? like Like as a first rounder.
00:44:51
Nacc
they would No, in the first, no.
00:44:52
Fab
No.
00:44:52
Fab
Yeah.
00:44:52
Nacc
i don't i don't think he's you would be right I don't think he would be...
00:44:53
Roger Emeka
Too No.
00:44:55
Nacc
First of all, Tomlin doesn't know develop quarterbacks.
00:44:57
Roger Emeka
exactly
00:44:58
Nacc
so So to take on a project like this, it's not going to work. And they would just ruin him. They wouldn't know what to do with him.
00:45:07
Roger Emeka
moving on to tyler show so it's tyler s-h-o-u-g-h but somehow turns it turns into tyler shock so that was kind of the
00:45:16
Nacc
Yeah, me too.
00:45:17
Fab
ah
00:45:17
Nacc
i was i was weird. I thought people were mispronouncing it. Shuck.
00:45:21
Roger Emeka
Yeah. So Tyler Shuck out of Louisville. Comparisons. I put a poor man's Jared Goff. So he has the height, has the the nice arm, power arm, but kind of ability to to maneuver out of the pocket when in trouble, similar to Goff, could be an issue.
00:45:37
Roger Emeka
um But again, like Goff, it's funny. We sleep on him. And I think like we we kind of, you know, he was a number one overall pick at one point or a second overall pick, I believe. Wentz was first.
00:45:46
Fab
Goff is great man Goff deserves a lot of respect
00:45:49
Nacc
Goff was number one.
00:45:50
Roger Emeka
um golf was number one yeah golf was number one Wentz was yeah uh worst case scenario comp Paxton Lynch Brock Osweiler again kind of those like tall lanky quarterbacks big arms but again those guys are types you just blitz the living hell out of them and they can't do much much out of it um so played at louis Louisville in the ACC Knack what do you think this is a this is a really interesting prospect
00:45:52
Nacc
Wentz was two. Yeah.
00:46:17
Nacc
I had comp with, at his high point, Carson Wentz.
00:46:19
Fab
Thank you.
00:46:22
Nacc
And at his low would be Drew That would be my comp.
00:46:26
Roger Emeka
Yeah. yeah
00:46:28
Nacc
But look, he's got the ideal NFL size. 6'5", 230. Like, this guy is a big kid. and he can launch the ball. He moves pretty well for a big guy, which was like surprising to me. But Very injury prone, had a few injuries in college. So I don't know if that's going to translate um erratic accuracy, I found, as well. It can be hot and cold, so misses too many routine throws.
00:46:55
Nacc
um And, you know, some decision-making issues that he that needs to be be addressed. Again, this guy here, look, it's going to be one of those guys, again, in the probably likely...
00:47:10
Nacc
third, fourth round kind of quarterbacks where, again, a team missed out on a quarterback and they're going to look to take a shot or, you know, build a fill the QB room with a body. Teams that just need to, you know, those late round picks. you could even I see even going maybe as as far down as the fifth round.
00:47:27
Nacc
Nothing. Again, you're you're you're hearing the same teams that might go after him. Steelers, there's Rams, there's there's there's different teams that have looked into him. But look, not as flashy as as the others we spoke about.
00:47:45
Roger Emeka
Fab, this guy's old, man. He's he's turning 26 in September, and he was in the same recruiting crash class as Trevor Lawrence, and he backed up Justin Herbert.
00:47:47
Fab
yeah
00:47:54
Fab
Yeah. Yeah. He's the, uh, he's,
00:47:55
Nacc
wild.
00:47:56
Fab
he's the Van Wilder of quarterbacks. He's been in college for like eight years. um But that, a lot that has a lot to do with, I think COVID. And I also has a lot to do with the fact that he's, he has, he hasn't really played a full season.
00:48:08
Fab
um He's been injured quite a bit over his career.
00:48:09
Nacc
Injury. Yeah.
00:48:10
Fab
And the the thing I have, the thing, the issue I have with, with Shuck, Shuck, right?
00:48:11
Nacc
Yeah.
00:48:16
Fab
Shuck. Let's go with Shuck.
00:48:17
Nacc
Yes. Like, like oysters.
00:48:18
Roger Emeka
Yes, exactly.
00:48:19
Fab
Shuck, Shuck and oysters. So obviously there's the injury aspect, right? And he's,
00:48:25
Fab
can we assume at this point in his career that his, his talent has been tapped out? Like this is the, like there's not much more you can develop out of a quarterback at this stage in their career.
00:48:30
Roger Emeka
yes
00:48:36
Fab
um He did have a, like a little sputter of excitement at Oregon in 2020 when he started the season. But then since then, I think he's just been riddled with injuries and inconsistency and,
00:48:47
Fab
I give the guy credit for for even making it this far and still believing in his dream and all that stuff and making to the being being a name that's going to be considered in the NFL draft. I think that's fantastic. But from an NFL career, you're looking at a of career backup, career third stringer potentially.
00:49:04
Fab
um i hope I eat my words. I really do. i don't want to pin the guy. I don't want to pin him in ah in a negative spot or off the bat over here. But you have to look at his comps, which i actually read is more also comparable to Blake Bortles.
00:49:17
Fab
which again, you look at the size, look at the arm strength, because this is a pretty good arm strength. So I, um I agree with Knack.
00:49:21
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:49:23
Fab
I think this is more of a fourth round type of player, day, day, day three guy and
Quinn Ewers: Draft Potential & Concerns
00:49:29
Fab
nothing beyond that. I don't think so.
00:49:33
Roger Emeka
The career arc in college is very similar to Michael Penix. The difference is that Penix like absolutely blew it out of the water with Washington.
00:49:41
Nacc
Mm-hmm.
00:49:41
Roger Emeka
Like if Shuck really wanted to move up, he would have had to, we had to see more production.
00:49:42
Fab
Yeah.
00:49:45
Roger Emeka
And for someone who's 25 years old, you know, 3,200 yards, 23 TDs, six INTs in the
00:49:54
Roger Emeka
would have expected better. And even in he played in Texas Tech in the Big 12, right? And like yeah he's barely above 60% completion percentage.
00:49:59
Fab
Mm-hmm.
00:50:00
Roger Emeka
So you're going be that old. You really have to show you have to have amazing, amazing stats. So this will be an interesting one. This is one where like you know even even teams that are not in the market for a QB right away, but maybe looking at one like down the line for like a backup or something, they're going to start looking at.
00:50:17
Roger Emeka
So it's too hard to predict where he'll go. It could it could go anywhere. um So then we have kind of the rest of the group. um They kind of all get bundled in together. we'll go We'll go one by one. We'll but we'll go a bit quicker. Quinn Ewers, Texas.
00:50:32
Roger Emeka
I saw a comparison of Colt McCoy, which I thought was really interesting. Big arm, tough competitor. um My issue with him was that the team looked better with Arch Manning. That's like kind of the thing that is going to be hard for him to shake shaketh through.
00:50:44
Fab
yeah
00:50:47
Roger Emeka
And his pro day was today. know if you guys saw it. It was a really nice deep pass that he had to. i don't know if it was Matthew Golden, ah but it was like a duck. It was like what like wobbling.
00:50:56
Nacc
A duck.
00:50:56
Fab
Yeah.
00:50:57
Nacc
Oh, yeah.
00:50:58
Fab
Yeah.
00:50:58
Nacc
can't believe and like why did you why didn promote that one of all throws?
00:51:00
Fab
yeah the
00:51:01
Nacc
you know like Yeah, it was a deep throw, but man, that thing was in the air.
00:51:02
Fab
There was nothing about that pass that was nice. Like I just saw flapping around. I'm like, that looks like something I threw.
00:51:11
Roger Emeka
Yeah, exactly. Any any thoughts on Quinn Ewers?
00:51:17
Nacc
Look, he's got arm talent. we stood Besides that that duck that we that we just spoke about, but
00:51:18
Fab
Yeah.
00:51:24
Nacc
Look, smooth throwing motion, i would I would say. And, you know, did show that he could pick apart some defenses in rhythm in in college when he got into ah a rhythm. But um him, too, battled injuries as well. And last year i also missed um missed missed some time.
00:51:43
Nacc
I don't know. He might need... He probably would have benefited from another year in college, to be honest. Yeah.
00:51:49
Roger Emeka
transfer
00:51:50
Fab
yeah yeah
00:51:50
Nacc
Yeah, like he could have, I don't know, maybe he should have stayed down one more year and then maybe he could have gone up the board. But yeah, I'm not like, no, no, no.
00:51:58
Roger Emeka
about arch arch manning is starting next year so like yeah yeah yeah okay yeah yeah yeah
00:52:00
Nacc
But he could have, again, transferred. he could have gone somewhere else to start, but but maybe he could have would have been better off staying in college one more year.
00:52:08
Fab
yeah I don't he's very inconsistent with his decision-making like after his first read the find his mechanics really shut down quite a bit. I think that's the biggest, biggest developmental issue on his end. And he was having some problems with under pressure as well.
00:52:25
Fab
I, you know, this guy was touted to be like one of the top picks, eh? Like last of last year.
00:52:29
Nacc
Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:29
Fab
And, and he really fell off quite a bit.
00:52:33
Roger Emeka
He was a five-star recruit.
00:52:33
Fab
I saw it.
00:52:34
Roger Emeka
Five-star recruit.
00:52:34
Fab
Yeah.
00:52:35
Roger Emeka
Number one QB five-star recruit. And it's like, hmm, interesting. Really?
00:52:39
Fab
Well, who knows if he gets drafted by the right team, who knows? Maybe when yours can turn around, but I, I think the fact that when Archie Manning came in and you saw and he lost that team, I think that's very significant.
00:52:51
Fab
But then again, i feel like that also happens in college quite a bit too. I'm thinking about Alabama with Tua and I'm thinking about ah with Jalen Hurts and all that.
00:53:01
Fab
So I don't know if that's going to translate necessarily poorly to the NFL, but this could be another later on pick that could end up turning good for the right team.
00:53:05
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
Kyle McCord's Draft Potential & Fit
00:53:10
Roger Emeka
watch Watch the Cowboys draft him because I don't think they have a... Do they have a backup QB? I think we we talked about last week.
00:53:15
Nacc
No, like ah like a nobody.
00:53:16
Fab
No, Cooper went to, yeah.
00:53:17
Nacc
There's like a nobody QB.
00:53:18
Roger Emeka
Danucci or something? like
00:53:20
Nacc
No, DiNucci's not there.
00:53:20
Fab
No, not even.
00:53:21
Roger Emeka
Yeah, watch the broncos watch the Cowboys draft him to kind of just...
00:53:21
Nacc
I think DiNucci's with the Broncos.
00:53:27
Roger Emeka
From that Texas, yeah, that Texas country.
00:53:27
Nacc
Be the backup.
00:53:29
Fab
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:53:30
Nacc
Could be a very Jerry pick.
00:53:32
Roger Emeka
Yeah, exactly. ah Next is our boy Cal McCord that we saw live when we went to Boston College.
00:53:37
Fab
We did.
00:53:39
Roger Emeka
Kind of like a Jimmy Garoppolo, Chad Pennington vibe with him. Like really super accurate. Fab, any thoughts?
00:53:46
Fab
I got Kirk Cousins vibe with him. i don't know.
00:53:48
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:53:48
Fab
His stats really jump off the page for me. The fact that he played really well in Ohio State in his junior year and then again in Syracuse. and I know it's the ACC. I know a different conference. but um ah i think this is a lot of I think this is a good late round value. I don't think this is getting enough talk to be honest with you. um you know He does lack that mobility.
00:54:06
Fab
you know That's why the comps of Jimmy Garofalo, Chad Pellington and Kirk Cousins make a lot of sense. But you know he's accurate. he's can He can throw the deep ball. He can Very, very good accuracy.
00:54:19
Fab
um i don't i don't hate this pick at all. It's a later on pick two. I think this is value as well.
00:54:25
Nacc
Yeah, I don't think he had great arm strength, though. I don't think he's a great deep ball thrower.
00:54:28
Fab
No.
00:54:30
Nacc
um My comp was Mack Jones. that's what i kind of see him That's what I kind of see him as.
00:54:34
Roger Emeka
Yeah, that's good. Yeah. That's...
00:54:36
Nacc
he Look, he's a good decision maker. Doesn't take unnecessary risks, per se, but again, limited mobility. doesn't Not a good playmaker outside of the pocket. um And just like, he lacks...
00:54:49
Nacc
Like high-end traits, I would say. I think he's a career he's a career backup in the NFL, I believe. like he's not There's definitely no starter potential. I don't i don't see starter potential. um But definitely, like you said, one of those guys where late round people need to fill a room, need need ah a good backup, that could be him.
00:55:06
Roger Emeka
That's what Orlovsky said. Like, he's going be in the league for 10 years. I see... I love the Kirk Cousins one because could see someone who drafts a QB... Who drafted a QB last year this year early then they take Kyle McCord and McCord ends up being the better player similar to what happened with Cousins and So I...
00:55:28
Nacc
RG3.
00:55:29
Fab
Yeah. Yep.
00:55:29
Roger Emeka
I'm a bit more high on him just because of like the accuracy. 4,800 yards, TDs at he he He got run out of Ohio State a little bit, but he was still pretty good
Will Howard: Steelers' Potential Fit
00:55:40
Roger Emeka
last year. So it will be interesting.
00:55:42
Roger Emeka
Speaking of Ohio State, Will Howard, national champion Will Howard, who his lone season at Ohio State, 73% completion percentage, 4,000 yards, 34 passing TDs.
00:55:54
Roger Emeka
thirty four passing tds Man, he played with a ton of talent at OSU. I love the comp of Ryan Tannehill.
00:56:04
Nacc
yeah
00:56:04
Fab
Yeah.
00:56:04
Roger Emeka
Athletic, big quarterback, um dual threat guy. this And tone to to Tone Diggs was talking about it in McAfee-NAC.
00:56:12
Nacc
He's huge.
00:56:16
Roger Emeka
This guy would be a perfect stealer.
00:56:18
Nacc
Well, 6'5", 240, does it remind you of anyone?
00:56:21
Roger Emeka
yeah but Yeah, yeah, 100%.
00:56:22
Nacc
Like, who does that remind you of? The person I saw play for 18 years, you know?
00:56:26
Roger Emeka
100%. Moxie beyond belief.
00:56:28
Nacc
Yeah, they they actually they took him out. Him. um They took out Emeka.
00:56:34
Roger Emeka
Ibuka.
00:56:34
Nacc
They took out um the running back Judkins.
00:56:38
Roger Emeka
Shadkins.
00:56:39
Nacc
Judkins.
00:56:39
Roger Emeka
Yep.
00:56:40
Nacc
ah Yeah, they took out quite a few guys from Ohio State last night. Will Howard was one of them. And they were right behind him today. ah was Tomlin, Khan, right behind him as he was throwing at his pro day. So...
00:56:53
Nacc
um
00:56:53
Roger Emeka
Thank you.
00:56:53
Nacc
Yeah, look, again, this could be another guy, maybe fourth, fifth round again, and like just taking a flyer on on ah on a on a guy. But again, he yeah had a sick four-game stretch this season, and then getting them into the finals had great playoffs.
00:57:13
Nacc
So look, it could be a guy that, man, you take a chance and Hopefully he becomes what you're looking for. But yeah, i definitely love this definitely love the size. Definitely ideal frame for a yeah for a QB.
00:57:27
Nacc
um Too many turnovers, though. he does He does turn over the ball a little bit too much and struggles a little bit with reading defenses. But again, these are things that can be worked on at the NFL level. i just Again, i just feel... Again, yeah i know he's typical stealer, but...
00:57:46
Nacc
I don't know, when when but you need a quarterback that needs work, like I feel like that's not the place for you. They need someone at the top, you know?
00:57:56
Roger Emeka
um Go for it, Fab.
00:57:58
Fab
I saw a comp to Mason Rudolph, which is just perfectly in line with with the Steelers, I suppose.
00:58:04
Roger Emeka
Let me just get...
00:58:05
Nacc
you remember you were just trolling? He's
00:58:06
Fab
No, I swear to God.
00:58:07
Roger Emeka
I saw it too.
00:58:08
Fab
I saw, yeah, I mean, I think the issue, yeah, I think the issue is his lower body mechanics.
00:58:10
Nacc
pretty big. big
00:58:14
Fab
And he's also going to be a little bit older too as a rookie. I think he's going to be about 24 years old, which is not that old, but older.
00:58:22
Fab
Yeah, this is another 3-4, around 3-4 prospect. This could turn into something, but I'm not really... umm I'm not so high based off the comparisons, based off of the only really one good year of supreme accuracy and completion percentage.
00:58:32
Roger Emeka
you
00:58:38
Fab
um And yeah, but ah take out that four-game stretch that he had with Ohio State, and would we even be talking about him in the draft? Again, this is another one of those late... because Will Howard wasn't really on anyone's radar necessarily beginning of last year, and now all of a sudden he's he expected to be drafted this year. So I'm not super high on him from being from translating that into an anotherold NFL
Riley Leonard: Backup QB Prospect
00:59:03
Fab
talent. I think we're looking at just another backup.
00:59:07
Roger Emeka
Very fair. ah Next one, Riley Leonard, I'm going to give to you, Fab, because the comp I saw, Daniel Jones.
00:59:13
Nacc
Daniel Jones.
00:59:15
Roger Emeka
It's perfect. If you look at Josh Dobbs, too, is a good one.
00:59:16
Nacc
Josh Dobbs, too.
00:59:19
Roger Emeka
um Daniel Jones, mostly because they both played at Duke and Leonard has his his last season of ah eligibility at Notre Dame.
00:59:22
Nacc
Yeah.
00:59:26
Roger Emeka
But if you look at their stats, extremely identical, both like fairly athletic guys. 17 rushing touchdowns this year he don't know if you guys saw the was it the national championship game or the um yeah i think it was a national championship game i think he ran the ball like 10 10 straight times to start the game he is he's competitive as hell yeah i saw that one i think that's really good that's really good
00:59:34
Fab
Yeah. to the This is Tim Tebow.
00:59:48
Fab
This is Tim Tebow.
00:59:52
Fab
Yeah. This is a right-armed Tim Tebow. Yeah, that's all I'm going to say about this. do you want me give my my analysis or my my two cents?
00:59:59
Roger Emeka
Yeah, well, i mean, Daniel Jones, that's your guy, bro.
01:00:00
Fab
I mean, Daniel Jones, Tim Tebow, I mean, these are... that This is this is your your tight end running back quarterback hybrid over here. this is This is the guy. 17 rushing touchdowns as a quarterback. I mean, come on.
01:00:15
Fab
mean, good for you. But...
01:00:18
Roger Emeka
Good for you.
01:00:19
Nacc
Look, Daniel Jones had, like, you know, he had a good arm.
01:00:21
Fab
Diana Jones is going to be a very good backup.
01:00:23
Nacc
he He had a good arm. He was competitive.
01:00:25
Fab
Yeah.
01:00:25
Nacc
He was tough. He didn't shy away from anything.
01:00:26
Fab
Yeah.
01:00:27
Roger Emeka
Yeah, exactly.
01:00:27
Fab
Yeah.
01:00:28
Roger Emeka
That's...
01:00:28
Nacc
But, again, it's the same mechanics needed refinement, and he never got there. accuratey Accuracy issues, excuse me, and injury concerns. This is like carbon copy Daniel Jones.
01:00:38
Nacc
Like,
01:00:38
Fab
yeah And I think we, something we have to remind maybe ourselves, myself specifically, but also even the viewers too. It's like when, when teams are drafting players, they're drafting backups, they're drafting third stringers.
01:00:49
Roger Emeka
Yes, totally.
01:00:50
Fab
Like these are guys that they need in in the locker room. They need to be taking part in and and getting the the twos ready, not necessarily playing with the ones all the time. So guys like this are going to be useful regardless.
01:01:01
Fab
Right. And this is just going to be another one of those depth sort of positions that, you know, you need depth at quarterback. We see it all the time. You need a good backup that can come in at any given moment, sometimes even a third stringer. So this is just one of those scenarios to a Riley Leonard. Like he could,
01:01:14
Fab
play a role and have a longstanding career in the NFL. It just won't necessarily be a starting role.
01:01:20
Nacc
Yeah, the only thing he doesn't compare with Daniel Jones is he won't get $180 million dollars contract one day.
Dylan Gabriel: Miami Dolphins Backup?
01:01:26
Fab
anything
01:01:27
Roger Emeka
ah you never know. If Joe Shane somehow finds finds himself re-employed
01:01:30
Nacc
you never the dry The Giants could take him in the in the fifth round and then do it.
01:01:38
Fab
There's no link, okay, to Notre Dame. There's no link. It's not going to happen.
01:01:42
Nacc
But there is for Duke.
01:01:45
Roger Emeka
last one Last one is Dylan Gabriel out of Oregon. i think this is an easy one. Tua Tunga-Vailoa.
01:01:51
Fab
Yeah.
01:01:51
Roger Emeka
ah Not as elite of trades, but the lefty, you have to say it, the fact that they're both Samoan, Hawaiian. um
01:02:00
Roger Emeka
This would be... this would be perfect in Miami.
01:02:00
Nacc
They both don't have good arm strength.
01:02:02
Fab
Yep.
01:02:03
Roger Emeka
Like, just get a carbon copy of Tua in case he, when he gets injured, right? Like, it's, I've been telling Guido that, I've been, yeah, he's, yeah, yeah, he's, sure and yeah, like, look, it's the combine.
01:02:08
Nacc
He's short too, though. He's like five five eleven I think.
01:02:11
Fab
Yeah. It's five, 10. No.
01:02:14
Roger Emeka
He didn't have a very good combine, but I've been wishing this into existence for Guido. Like, this makes perfect
Backup QB for Tyreek: Tua's Replica?
01:02:20
Roger Emeka
sense, so.
01:02:21
Nacc
Do we really want another guy who who's going to underthrow Tyreek?
01:02:27
Roger Emeka
Yeah, it's true.
01:02:28
Fab
Yeah.
01:02:30
Roger Emeka
But, yeah, I don't know.
01:02:31
Nacc
like I know he's getting older, but like the arm strength is very comparable too, right?
01:02:33
Roger Emeka
thats that's
01:02:36
Nacc
like Do you really want a carbon copy of that? Maybe not.
01:02:39
Roger Emeka
Is Tyreek even going to be there after? been lot of... Yeah.
01:02:42
Nacc
Yeah, that's this is very true.
01:02:42
Fab
yeah
01:02:43
Roger Emeka
yeah
01:02:43
Nacc
But again, the shortness really bothers me.
Quarterback Class Analysis & Predictions
01:02:46
Roger Emeka
Yeah, for sure. um Boy, that was good. we we That was a deep, deep, deep dive. We went through, what is it? style
01:02:56
Fab
Like eight quarterbacks.
01:02:57
Roger Emeka
What I call Eight, nine, ten quarterbacks?
01:02:59
Fab
Yeah.
01:02:59
Nacc
Yeah.
01:03:00
Roger Emeka
um So hope that was informative for all the listeners. um ah Honestly, I think this is ah an underrated class. i know I know it's been talked about a little bit compared to the 2021 and 2022 class, but I think this is going to be a better class.
01:03:17
Roger Emeka
And i so I foresee at least two guys who will be starters. And I think Cam Ward has a chance. And even Shadour, depending on the situation, has a chance to be at the very least a five to 10-year starter potentially.
01:03:33
Roger Emeka
So that'll do it for us.
01:03:36
Roger Emeka
You disagree, Fab?
01:03:37
Fab
No, um I disagree with five to ten years. I think it's going to be longer for Shredor Sanders.
01:03:43
Roger Emeka
I mean, yeah, i mean I hope so too, but...
01:03:45
Fab
Like, anyway, that's,
Preview of Next Week: Running Back Prospects
01:03:47
Fab
but we we we spoke about that already.
01:03:48
Roger Emeka
where Yeah, yeah.
01:03:48
Fab
We're an hour in. We got to end the show, Roger.
01:03:52
Roger Emeka
Well, I mean, you did a face.
01:03:54
Fab
I'm just, dead I can't help my facial expressions sometimes. My emotions get the best of me.
01:03:59
Nacc
Thank you.
01:04:01
Roger Emeka
So that'll do it for today's show. um Thanks, NAC. Thanks, Fab. So again, keep tuning in to us. Next week, we're going to do the running back deep dives. This is going to be a really good running back class. So we're going to probably go again another eight to 10 deep.
01:04:16
Roger Emeka
ah Thank you for joining us. Always follow us on YouTube, Spotify, at the Bush League Huddle. And we are out.
Reflection on QB Class & Draft Excitement
01:04:24
Roger Emeka
See you next time.
01:04:31
Fab
You know, this is an underrated class. I don't think this gets enough this gets enough bump. there's There is some quality over here in quarterbacks.
01:04:38
Nacc
<unk> just It's the talk, right? You start talking of things and you start hearing these names.
01:04:42
Fab
Yeah.
01:04:42
Nacc
You'll be talking these names and everyone kind of convinces themselves. like I don't know. I'm not sold just yet. I can't wait for these guys to get on the field, though. that's I'm always excited for that. The draft is always fun. Can't wait for the draft.
01:04:52
Roger Emeka
Best time of year.
01:04:54
Nacc
Can't wait for that. It should be a good one, but no one knows anything at the end of the day.
01:04:59
Roger Emeka
Indeed. have a good evening, everyone.
01:05:00
Fab
Indeed. Peace out.
01:05:03
Nacc
Goodbye!