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Do NOT Draft List: 2025 Fantasy Football
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We're back, baby! After a short break, the Bush League Huddle crew dives headfirst into the murky waters of 2025 fantasy football draft season. This week, we’re calling out the biggest landmines you need to avoid on draft day — across QBs, RBs, WRs, and TEs.
From the chaos in the Colts’ QB room to fading aging vets like Aaron Jones and Travis Kelce, we break down who not to draft — and why. We’re talking injury concerns, depth chart messes, age cliffs, and overpriced ADPs that could burn your team before Week 1 even kicks off.
🔥 Players discussed: Anthony Richardson, Daniel Jones, Aaron Rodgers, Sam Darnold, Kenneth Walker III, Joe Mixon, Tyreek Hill, T. Higgins, Travis Kelce, Kyle Pitts, Dalton Kincaid, and more.
👂 Are you drafting with your heart or your head this year? Tune in to make sure you’re not the clown of your league.
💬 Leave us a comment with your own “Do Not Draft” picks and don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share!
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Transcript
Welcome Back from Break
00:00:10
Nacc
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another edition of the Bush League Huddle Fantasy Football Podcast. Man, it feels good to to be back. These these two-week two weeks breaks or sometimes gets a little long, you know? gets a little long. I think our listeners want to hear more of our our sexy voices.
00:00:28
Roger Emeka
Chomping at the bit.
00:00:29
Fab
They better want to hear more of our sexy voices.
00:00:32
Nacc
Oh, I guarantee you they want to hear more. Trust me.
00:00:34
Roger Emeka
Are Xavier Leggett voices?
00:00:36
Fab
Come on, man.
00:00:36
Nacc
and i kind' I can't even.
00:00:37
Fab
Use your sexy voice.
00:00:39
Nacc
I'm not even going attempt. I won't even attempt to do that for everyone.
00:00:41
Roger Emeka
It's kind of a sexy voice though. like Especially the way Fab, you do it.
00:00:44
Fab
For who?
00:00:44
Roger Emeka
like you look you look into a camera You look into the camera.
00:00:47
Nacc
I know. He does look yeah does like a little.
00:00:48
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:00:48
Fab
You want me look in the camera and do my disabled voice?
00:00:49
Nacc
He does a little. Yeah, Oh, boy.
00:00:51
Fab
Is that what you want? Is that what you want? Come on, Roger. Is that what you want? Got to give the people what they want, man.
00:00:59
Roger Emeka
i I might have just got that screenshot.
00:01:02
Nacc
Yeah, that's a amazing.
00:01:02
Fab
Oh, great.
00:01:03
Nacc
That is amazing.
00:01:03
Fab
Wonderful. Can't wait for that.
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Nacc
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2025 'Do Not Draft' List Introduction
00:01:06
Nacc
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, so we are back once again this week. We're going to be diving into our do not draft list for the upcoming 2025 fantasy football season. We have some some great names that may have been good in the past, but um may not be that good anymore or just too rich for the blood at their ADPs.
00:01:28
Nacc
um But before we start, as always, please like, follow, subscribe on all the social media platforms and everywhere you get your podcast. um A nice subscription or a like goes a very, very long way and we definitely appreciate it. So um we thank you in advance for that.
00:01:46
Nacc
And without further ado, we're just going to dive right into this.
Colts' QB Situation: Risks and Analysis
00:01:50
Nacc
ah So basically, we will have, we will go through two QBs, two running backs, and two wide receivers, and some ah tight ends sprinkled in at the end on our do not draft boards for the upcoming season.
00:02:04
Nacc
So let's kick it right off with our boy Raj. Raj has the QBs today. So who do you got? Who do you not drafting 2025?
00:02:12
Roger Emeka
Yes, I do have the QBs. It's a murderous row of do not drafts. to start with the Colts QB room.
00:02:19
Fab
Wow.
00:02:20
Roger Emeka
I feel this goes without saying. um it sounds like Daniel Jones has the upper hand so far, ah just finishing minicamp and then probably entering the training camp too because of Anthony Richardson's shoulder injury.
00:02:34
Roger Emeka
I think, and I talked about it last episode where I you know i quite like Josh Downs this year, ah but I just feel like, A, we saw what we saw from Daniel Jones over the course of his past five, six years, right?
00:02:47
Roger Emeka
Not really a reliable starter, can sprinkle in some good starts here and there. And two, it is in the Colts' best interest to still ensure that Anthony Richardson somewhat gets a chance to be the guy.
00:02:59
Roger Emeka
So I have some concerns on whether or not they're going to still try to force feed him to be the starter or at least give him an opportunity because you know at some point Daniel Jones will falter. And for me, even that QB three, QB four in two QB league, it's just not a risk I'm willing to take. It it feels like an absolute mess.
00:03:16
Roger Emeka
That QB room, it's going to be back and forth and back and forth. So for me, that's an automatic do not draft.
00:03:23
Nacc
I think it's one of those things where you're you're you're stuck between a rock and a hard place because I think that I agree with you that Daniel Jones has the inside track and likely starter week one.
00:03:34
Nacc
But you invested the fourth overall pick on Anthony Richardson.
00:03:35
Fab
Thank
00:03:38
Nacc
So you're going to want to know what you have from Anthony Richardson. This is also what the year three. So they've got to, you know, they got to pick up an option as well coming up for his fifth year option.
00:03:49
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:03:49
Nacc
And like you said, they're just going to want to know what they have in him. so Yes, you might get some good starts out of Daniel Jones at the beginning of the year, but they're definitely, definitely going to switch back to Anthony Richardson at some point.
00:04:01
Nacc
And then the problem there is shoulder injuries tend to linger, right? throughout Throughout the year. I'm thinking about Joe Burrow way back when, when he had that that shoulder injury, it tends to linger.
00:04:09
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:04:13
Nacc
So even when they go back to Anthony Richardson, I'm not expecting huge amount of points from him either. So Yeah, I definitely agree that it's a QB room to definitely avoid.
00:04:25
Roger Emeka
And I'll just add one more thing. And I think what makes this murky for a lot of teams in this type of situation is that the Colts might actually be good this year. They spent a lot of ah dollars on their secondary.
00:04:39
Roger Emeka
They drafted Tyler Warren. ah They weren't that far off from being a a playoff team last over the past two years, actually. So when you get to a point where you're a playoff team or potential playoff team, you know if they were tanking or like it looks like their season is going dumps, for sure they're going to put in Anthony Richardson.
00:04:56
Roger Emeka
But as they creep in closer and they they stay at 500 and Daniel Jones plays just good enough to keep them at 500, they're likely not going refer back to Anthony Richardson.
00:05:03
Nacc
you
00:05:05
Roger Emeka
So that that makes it a tough situation too for them in terms of ah that evaluation.
00:05:10
Fab
But I hope that is the case, though, for Anthony Richardson, because he needs to sit. He needs to sit. He needs to pay attention. Like, he hasn't really had, like, the last two years, how many reps of NFL has he actually and how many games has he played? Not many. And he's probably played a little bit more NFL games than he has that one full college season.
00:05:27
Fab
Like, just think about it right now.
00:05:28
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:05:29
Fab
Like, as you guys were talking, it's like, you know what? Like, the guy hasn't had a chance to learn off of anybody. And say what you want about Daniel Jones. Like, he's won a playoff game. He's been through a bunch of offensive and offensive coordinators.
00:05:42
Fab
He has more experience than Anthony Richardson has ever had right now. You can learn quite a bit. Who's their third quarterback in there?
00:05:49
Roger Emeka
I was gonna spit out my water if i drank.
00:05:51
Nacc
i Yeah, it was there was I saw that.
00:05:51
Roger Emeka
That's why I stopped.
00:05:51
Fab
He can, man. He can. Like it or not, guys.
00:05:53
Nacc
That was a close call. A mic would have been ruined.
00:05:54
Fab
like Like it or not. he He can learn a little bit from Daniel Jones. least how to be a pro, how to pay attention to plays and all that.
00:05:58
Roger Emeka
So listeners, Fabio still has a lot of stock on Daniel Jones Island. I think he has a few condos and a villa there as well.
00:06:04
Fab
No, I don't.
00:06:04
Nacc
But if I have to play devil's advocate to that, I think he needs the reps, if anything.
00:06:05
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:06:07
Fab
I...
00:06:12
Nacc
he he's He needs the reps to in order to get better and whatever.
00:06:14
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:06:17
Nacc
Look, they benched him last year, right? Then they had Joe Flacco there. We know Joe Flacco, as he came out and said this year, I'm not a mentor. I get ready to play football every Sunday, which I loved when he said that. But he did play behind Joe Flacco for a few weeks until they inserted him back in the lineup as Flacco wasn't doing doing the job. And I'm not saying, hey, you have to learn behind Joe Flacco. But I think sitting does more hurt than it does good because he needs those NFL reps in order to succeed.
00:06:48
Fab
Fair point. Anyway, it's a quarterback room that I think everybody's avoiding anyways, right?
00:06:53
Roger Emeka
by default, 100%.
00:06:54
Fab
By default, yeah.
00:06:54
Nacc
Yeah.
00:06:54
Roger Emeka
partner
00:06:55
Nacc
Yeah.
00:06:55
Fab
Yeah.
00:06:56
Nacc
Who else you
Aaron Rodgers: A Risky Draft Choice?
00:06:57
Nacc
got, Raj?
00:06:57
Roger Emeka
i Pains me to do this. One of my favorite QBs to watch ever, but just the circus of it, Aaron Rodgers. I want no part of the Aaron Rodgers business this year.
00:07:10
Roger Emeka
None whatsoever. He might be good. like I wouldn't be surprised if he has ah similar type top 15 QB type season next year and is good enough to be a solid QB too.
00:07:22
Roger Emeka
But if we call recall, the ride wasn't great last year with the Jets, right? He he got better at the end, maybe closer so the maybe maybe because the the season looked like it was in the dumps anyways.
00:07:33
Roger Emeka
But Devontae Adams as well.
00:07:34
Nacc
He also had Devontae Adams towards the end.
00:07:36
Fab
Yeah.
00:07:37
Roger Emeka
i just don't, I think the ride will be very bumpy. um And look, 41, 42-year-old QB coming off two years out of an Achilles, you know likely his last season.
00:07:51
Fab
Oh, it is.
00:07:52
Roger Emeka
i don't I don't know about that. I'm going to say likely.
00:07:53
Fab
he He said as much. He came out and he said it yesterday.
00:07:55
Roger Emeka
He didn't, he said it's likely, it's likely, yeah.
00:07:56
Nacc
he didn't He didn't say it's my last season. It's likely my last season. So keeping the door open there for sure.
00:07:59
Fab
Oh, my God, Aaron. Figure it out, Aaron.
00:08:02
Roger Emeka
And um yeah, I'm just, I just, don I don't want any part of that.
00:08:11
Nacc
I think it's always going to be rocky. The Steelers, the last, I don't know, almost a decade now, the offense hasn't been what it used to be when Ben and Bell were there and Brown was there when they kind of figured it out.
00:08:24
Nacc
And then that's when the defense wasn't playing great. But last year too, the defense kind of let them down. But in the same scenario, the offense was off the field very, very quick a lot of the times as well. So I think it's going to be easier.
00:08:40
Nacc
And I think because he has that defense, he's not going to have to do as much. And i'm I'd rather Aaron Rodgers there on you know third and seven rather than even Russell Wilson or a Kenny Pickett or a Mitch Trubisky. You know what I mean? like In the red zone, he's going to be a lot better than all of these guys as well. So fantasy football-wise, kind of tend to agree with you. Am I going to be shocked at a top 15 finish? No.
00:09:09
Nacc
but Most likely out of the top 20, in my opinion. i definitely agree with you, I think, there. Because it's just he's not going have to do as much as the others potentially did. And I think he stays on the field little longer with the offense than past the past four or five years with the QBs that they've had.
00:09:31
Fab
I don't know if he stays on the field longer. I feel like Pittsburgh need more weapons for him. Like we just mentioned it before, like how he only turned it on towards the second half of the season last year.
00:09:37
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:09:41
Fab
And fine, maybe he got back into his rhythm and all that stuff with the Jets because he was out for the the entire season previously. But he needed weapons. Like, yeah, Garrett Wilson, then he had his boy Devante Adams and Adam Lazard and all guys that he's super familiar with.
00:09:54
Fab
And now he's throwing to DK Metcalf and some guys that are usually
00:09:59
Nacc
Robert Woods, brother.
00:09:59
Roger Emeka
Robert Woods, Bobby Trees.
00:10:00
Fab
Yeah, okay, I'm sorry. when i When I see that, that he's the offensive weapon, like, I like Robert Woods, but, you know, he's past his prime, I think it's fair to say.
00:10:08
Nacc
He's a blocker. he's he was there he's he's been He was brought in to block.
00:10:11
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:10:12
Fab
Yeah, so, ah it's it's DK Metcalf, and who else over there on that offense?
00:10:15
Nacc
I don't think they're done, though. I don't think they're done.
00:10:17
Roger Emeka
What did they those there was a saying they had about Robert Woods.
00:10:18
Fab
I
00:10:20
Roger Emeka
He, Robert Woods is the hall of famer of Allen Robinson's. Like of all those types of receivers, Robert Woods is like the best of them with tech, with the Texan and with the Rams too.
00:10:30
Nacc
He was very good in his prime, like very serviceable, very serviceable receiver with the Rams.
00:10:31
Fab
He was very good. it and with And with the Rams, he was excellent.
00:10:35
Nacc
He was, that's where he made, yeah, that's where he, yeah, he was very, very good with the Rams, but ah he brings blocking.
00:10:36
Fab
He was excellent with
00:10:40
Roger Emeka
Like,
00:10:40
Nacc
Like cal Calvin Austin has to take another step, but everyone seems to be saying that Roman Wilson looks good.
00:10:45
Nacc
So is he going to be that guy that steps in and potentially becomes that WR2 on the team?
00:10:51
Fab
Rams.
00:10:51
Fab
He has to earn Aaron Rodgers' trust, right? We all know how important that is.
00:10:51
Nacc
Like 100%, 100%.
00:10:54
Nacc
under
00:10:54
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:10:55
Roger Emeka
And rookies, he's tough with rookies.
00:10:55
Nacc
hundred percent we We all know about that.
00:10:57
Nacc
I think, honestly, I think Friar Muth out of the bunch has a really good season.
00:11:02
Fab
I agree. Because he targeted, who was it? ah Was it Mason? Who's the tight end for the, Conklin?
00:11:06
Roger Emeka
Conklin.
00:11:08
Fab
Yeah, he targeted Conklin a lot last year.
00:11:10
Nacc
Rogers throws to the middle of the field.
00:11:11
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:11:12
Fab
A lot last year.
00:11:12
Nacc
So...
00:11:13
Fab
And Conklin isn't exactly and a name brand when it comes to tight ends, right? So, yeah, I agree.
00:11:16
Nacc
And he's going to...
00:11:17
Fab
I think Friar Mood's going to have a better season than people think.
00:11:18
Nacc
Like both tight ends. I think even...
00:11:19
Fab
Yep.
00:11:20
Nacc
i think Washington too. Like the red zone. Those guys are just going to catch balls in the red zone. I think they're going to see a lot of red zone targets.
00:11:26
Roger Emeka
i just want to I just want to add that Rodgers had, I see it here, one, two, three, four, five, six games where he was below 13 fantasy points.
00:11:40
Roger Emeka
Again, QB2, you could live with it, but I just i think the ride will be bumpy.
00:11:41
Nacc
I think the jets and think the Jets situation last year was just like they fired their coach, they fired a GM, they fired like they just stay just didn't jive. right He's going into a more structured organization too.
00:11:51
Roger Emeka
Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:53
Nacc
um i don't know. I think he's in a better situation this year than he was last year. Maybe he had more talent last year, but I don't think it all went on on talent. I think that team was just dysfunctional completely.
00:12:06
Roger Emeka
Yeah. Yeah. and If I could add just two more quick honorable mentions, maybe a shocker, Sam Darnold.
00:12:12
Nacc
Do it.
00:12:14
Roger Emeka
I am very weary of Sam Darnold considering, yes, the Seahawks drafted Gray Zabel in the first round to shore up their offensive line.
00:12:15
Fab
That's not a shocker. Yep.
00:12:23
Fab
yep
00:12:24
Roger Emeka
Yes, they hired, I believe, Clint Kubiak as new OC, but I'm a bit wary of Sam Donald repeating what he did last year in a non-Kevin O'Connell offense.
00:12:37
Roger Emeka
I kind of have to see it to believe it again. And for me,
00:12:39
Nacc
So from QB one last year, you're going QB what three, all the way down to three this year.
00:12:44
Roger Emeka
for him?
00:12:45
Nacc
Are you safe as a QB two?
00:12:50
Fab
I would not feel safe as my QB2.
00:12:51
Roger Emeka
I just, I just, if I feel like I like, I'd rather take a Cam Ward personally. I'd rather, I'd rather take a gamble on Cam Ward than Sam Darnold.
00:12:55
Fab
Yeah. Because
00:12:58
Roger Emeka
I just think that I need to see him have a really big season in a non-Kevin O'Connell offense because we know how QB friendly that offense is for QBs to really believe it.
00:13:13
Roger Emeka
And again, they short up the offense line a little bit, but we know how bad he is under pressure. We know bad he is up the middle, and we saw it in the last two games, Detroit and Los Angeles.
00:13:22
Nacc
The Rams. rams
00:13:25
Fab
So I think we know what the ceiling is for Sam Darnold because we saw it last year. And I don't think that's ever going to be repeated again in a different offense. It's not under the control of Kevin O'Connell.
00:13:37
Fab
So when I see something, when he's going to a different environment, a different offense, he's, it's hard for me to think he'll repeat what he did last year. It's even hard for me to trust him as a QB too, because I do think there's going to be more of what we've seen towards the end of the season.
00:13:54
Fab
where, okay, the real Sam Darnold, is this him right now? That's him coming in around. And even the Seahawks, the contract they gave him is basically one year. I know he signed a three-year deal, but but all the guaranteed money is in the first year.
00:14:03
Roger Emeka
Yes. And they drafted Milrow.
00:14:07
Fab
And they drafted Milrow. So, like, I think the Seahawks kind of know as well. So, kind of, ah you follow the money, right? Kind tells you everything you need to know, I feel like, a little bit. So, i'm Sam Darnold, to me,
00:14:19
Fab
Would be like if I don't want him as my QB two, he would be a QB three for me and he's only there for bi-weeks. And even then I'm not feeling great about him, but you want a guy who can chase upside versus a guy who you know is going to have a floor of like whatever it is, 11 points, maybe 12 points, but not a very high ceiling. like
00:14:38
Roger Emeka
and And just very quick, I just want to get it out there. The last honorable mention, and it pains me to say this because I love this guy, but Gino Smith. It was a painful ride last year with him. Great real-life QB. Fantasy QB. He needs talent around him. And if you look at the his last two years since his eighth QB finish, he's finished 15th and 12th.
00:15:01
Roger Emeka
12th, not bad last year considering... the lack of talent, but it was mostly because he was he had 4,300 passing yards, 21 TDs, 15 INTs. So again, very bumpy ride with Gino.
00:15:09
Fab
I disagree.
00:15:12
Roger Emeka
Great real-life QB, but fantasy, I'd rather i'd rather avoid him this year.
00:15:18
Nacc
Yeah, we'll see how it goes. um
00:15:19
Fab
i disagree
00:15:21
Nacc
I don't know. Yeah. I was never a huge Geno Smith fan to begin with. So, like, i kind of I kind of understand where you're where you're coming from. But although I would not mind him as a QB2 in the league.
00:15:37
Nacc
Like, I'd i'd i'd be okay with him being a QB2.
00:15:38
Roger Emeka
Tough ride, man. The red zone, like, like not a great watch, man.
00:15:41
Nacc
Yeah, for sure. For sure. Hopefully he didn't.
00:15:42
Fab
Dude, Brock Bowers, man. Are forgetting about Brock Bowers here?
00:15:44
Nacc
Hopefully, look, chip chip call Chip Kelly in there now.
00:15:47
Fab
Yeah.
00:15:47
Nacc
Maybe, you know, it we have to see it.
00:15:49
Roger Emeka
Yeah, I don't know, but Chip Kelly, are we sure he's a good off offensive coordinator in the NFL? like eagle of Eagles and Niners, was it was not great, man.
00:15:55
Nacc
We'll see.
00:15:57
Fab
He's changed the way he's played ever since he was in college. i remember at the beginning when he was in the NFL, he wanted to have as many plays as possible, play very quickly, play very fast.
00:16:05
Roger Emeka
Good point. Good point.
00:16:06
Fab
He stopped doing that in college. And I guess that's why sort translates better to the NFL.
00:16:08
Roger Emeka
Good point.
00:16:10
Fab
We'll see. I agree with you. That's the only trepidation I have, too, is really more Chip Kelly. But Geno Smith and that offense, like, I don't know, man. Like, Jacoby Myers, Ashton Gentry, Brock Bowers, like, Besh.
00:16:22
Roger Emeka
Bash, check, bitch, check bash.
00:16:25
Fab
Jack Besh. don't know I'm a little more optimistic than you will than you are, Roger, with Geno Smith. But, okay, that's fine. I'll be drafting him when you're not. Perfect. Thank you.
00:16:36
Nacc
That'll do it for our QB do not draft list for the 2025 season. Fab, you have some running backs that you are not going to be drafting this
Aaron Jones Sr.: Workload Concerns
00:16:47
Nacc
year.
00:16:47
Nacc
Tell us about it.
00:16:47
Fab
I do. I do. I do. So without further ado, we're going to start off with Mr. Aaron Jones Sr.
00:16:54
Roger Emeka
Hmm.
00:16:54
Fab
He actually had his most productive year in Minnesota last year. He rushed for a career high, 1,138 yards, 51 receptions, 408 yards.
00:17:02
Nacc
was career high.
00:17:03
Fab
Yeah.
00:17:04
Fab
Yeah. I was surprised too when I was going through the numbers. Seven total touchdowns. And he signed a nice two-year extension for $20 million dollars with 13 guaranteed. But had his most carries ever in his life.
00:17:04
Nacc
Holy smokes.
00:17:17
Fab
At 255. His previous high was 236 in 2019. So quite a while ago, right? He played a full 17 games for sure, but he was injured for some of those games, but even he was still playing and starting, and it was only the second time ever he's played a full season.
00:17:33
Fab
Finished as RB15 last year, and PPR, which was above guys like Brees Hall and Joe Mixon. But on a points-per-game basis, he was RB20. This is PPR I'm talking about now.
00:17:44
Fab
And then, like, you add the fact that Minnesota... added Jordan Mason in the offseason to alleviate the workload off of Jones, and who's also on the wrong side of 30, which makes sense.
00:17:51
Nacc
Yeah, that's a big one.
00:17:55
Fab
So this year, i don't know. Mason is younger, he's heavier, he's bigger, he's much more of a bruiser than Jones is. So I think Mason will potentially take away a lot of goal line duties, be there on first downs, second downs, really eat into Jones' ceiling.
00:18:10
Fab
And KOC also said that he called Mason the 1B. So this is really like a real... real combo, I feel like like. They're going to be using them both quite equally. um I think, listen, he's he's a very good player. We all know that. I think he's going to have a serviceable season, but more towards low-end RB2, mid-tier even RB3. Right now, he's going as his current ADP as RB22.
00:18:36
Fab
And when you're drafting an RB that low, like a low-end RB2, I'd rather chase guys that have a little more upside. I would go towards like a rookie in that case.
00:18:43
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:18:44
Fab
like on Omari and AJ Harvey, Henderson, like those are the guys I'd be targeting instead of Aaron Jones at that spot.
00:18:55
Nacc
Interesting.
00:18:58
Roger Emeka
I agree with that. And I feel like I've been thinking that since the Jordan Mason trade.
00:19:03
Fab
Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm, I'm happy.
00:19:06
Roger Emeka
I, I,
00:19:06
Fab
He had a, like he, he showed up last year. I had him on my, on my fantasy team and he was doing a lot better than I expected him to be doing. By all accounts, he had a very good season, but there was a lot of up and downs with him.
00:19:18
Fab
Like, it starts off really good, and then you get those dud games where he's dressed, but he's not really playing.
00:19:18
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:19:24
Fab
And bring in Jordan Mason, and Jordan Mason, you saw what he did with San Francisco.
00:19:26
Roger Emeka
Soft tissue.
00:19:28
Fab
Like, he's a good running back. and he he I think he averaged like five yards a carry all throughout his career, to Jordan Mason. Very small, a small sample size, but still, right? So, 100%. 100%.
00:19:38
Roger Emeka
I think it's a good real life move for them to preserve him.
00:19:40
Fab
hundred percent but hundred
00:19:43
Roger Emeka
But fantasy wise, I really agree with you.
00:19:45
Fab
Yeah, I really torpedoed his value because he was probably going to have some RB2 value, I think, like realistically, but not anymore.
00:19:53
Roger Emeka
Yep.
00:19:55
Nacc
That was a good one.
00:19:55
Fab
And...
00:19:56
Nacc
it.
00:19:58
Fab
ah You guys are ready for my next one?
00:20:01
Nacc
do it
00:20:01
Fab
Okay, so um this one kind of hurts me a little bit. Kenneth Walker III. ah He's a fantastic player, man. I love him, honestly. Like, but that three touchdown game versus Detroit.
00:20:14
Fab
I was like, when this guy plays, he's like a top five running back, and but he doesn't stay on the field. And and the best of ability ah the best ability is availability, guys, especially when it comes to running backs.
00:20:25
Fab
And also, on top of that, I just read some report. He's been limited in OTAs with an ankle injury, and everyone is saying that he should be fine.
00:20:30
Nacc
It's already starting.
00:20:34
Fab
Like, if you're already assuming that he's going to be fine in time for training camp, like, I don't know. Like, a lot of trepidations, a lot of concerns. Charbonnet started less games. than Kenneth Walker and was more efficient, like 4.3 yards per carry versus 3.7.
00:20:48
Nacc
he's ah He's a guy like a lot.
00:20:48
Fab
Yeah.
00:20:49
Roger Emeka
I love him.
00:20:50
Fab
Yeah.
00:20:50
Roger Emeka
He's a bruiser. He's more direct.
00:20:51
Fab
Yeah.
00:20:51
Nacc
Yeah.
00:20:53
Fab
Much more direct. Also much more effective in receiving yards.
00:20:57
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:20:57
Fab
242 for 340 versus 46 for 299. Not by much, but still. like You'd be surprised that someone of his size is still more as effective or more effective as a wide receiver. Plus, it kind of goes back to the conversation we earlier, right? like what kind of Which are we getting?
00:21:12
Fab
Because if we're getting a Darnold where the defense knows he can't throw or he's going to have trouble and they just start stacking the box, and what happens to KW3's value, right? So it's a lot of uncertainty. really makes me out on on Kenneth Walker III.
00:21:26
Fab
His current ADP right now is RB15, and he's been climbing, which I find weird. um But I'd rather safer guys as an RB2, like you know the James Connors of the world, the Montgomery's, Chuba Hubbard,
00:21:35
Roger Emeka
you
00:21:42
Fab
Even James Cook, if he's there, I'd definitely take Cook over Kenneth Walker III because you want that are going to stay on the field. As I say that, maybe Conor's not the best comparison. ah He's been pretty healthy lately, actually, James Conor.
00:21:54
Nacc
We only missed one game last year.
00:21:55
Fab
Yeah, he's been pretty healthy lately.
00:21:57
Roger Emeka
i You know what? I don't want to draft Kenneth Walker III, but the guys after him, though, like Mixon, Connor, you just said it, Aaron Jones Sr., DeAndre Swift, Tony Pollard, like this is like first-team all-pro injury running back.
00:22:07
Fab
Yep.
00:22:15
Roger Emeka
like you you have you You pick both of them.
00:22:15
Nacc
I know, yeah.
00:22:15
Fab
Yeah, 100%.
00:22:17
Roger Emeka
You picked you pick both of them. like you Both of your picks are like the worst injury ratings in Madden, you could imagine.
00:22:20
Fab
Yeah. 100%. But the thing with, and I guess it's same thing with Aaron Jones, right? If you're drafting Kenneth Walker, you have to drag draft Charbonnet.
00:22:31
Fab
And, like, are you super excited to have the Seattle's running back room on your team?
00:22:32
Nacc
Yeah. Warren?
00:22:37
Fab
I'm not. I'm not.
00:22:38
Roger Emeka
So i I feel like the move actually like that. I'm looking at fantasy pros now and that that tier four is the guys I just said, like Mixon, Connor, Montgomery, Jones, Sr., Swift, Tony Pollard.
00:22:49
Roger Emeka
I think I'd rather punt on that tier four. And if you look at tier five, at some of the rookies like Trevion Henderson, Judkins.
00:22:54
Fab
I like it.
00:22:55
Nacc
yeah
00:22:55
Fab
Yep.
00:22:56
Roger Emeka
I still like Jalen Walker. still big fan of his.
00:22:58
Fab
Mm-hmm.
00:23:00
Roger Emeka
Even like Etienne becomes like a not bad bar bargain.
00:23:00
Nacc
warren
00:23:01
Fab
Jalen Warren, right?
00:23:02
Nacc
Warren?
00:23:03
Roger Emeka
like
00:23:03
Nacc
Jalen Warren?
00:23:04
Roger Emeka
Sorry.
00:23:05
Nacc
Jalen Warren?
00:23:05
Roger Emeka
What did I say? Jalen Walker.
00:23:06
Nacc
Walker?
00:23:06
Fab
Jalen Walker, who doesn't exist.
00:23:07
Roger Emeka
Excuse me. Jalen Walker is, yeah, just got drafted. um
00:23:15
Fab
By who?
00:23:16
Roger Emeka
Jalen Walker, the edge. Okay,
00:23:19
Fab
Yeah, I'm talking about running backs, though.
00:23:21
Roger Emeka
but he still exists. Anyways, the point being is tier five. i like some of those guys like who like are in the rookie class than like the tier four that I've just mentioned. So I think to that point, like yeah, a lot of injury prone running backs.
00:23:38
Fab
and And who's in tier five?
00:23:38
Nacc
100%. Let's hear him.
00:23:40
Fab
Zach Charbonnet.
00:23:41
Roger Emeka
Yep.
00:23:42
Fab
Like, yeah, it sucks because Kenneth Walker is a very good running back. We've seen what he can do.
00:23:48
Roger Emeka
Pure running back. Amazing.
00:23:50
Fab
It's just, you know, the injuries.
00:23:50
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:23:52
Fab
it's It's a very unforgiving sport. I have some honorable mentions as well. I'll go quickly on these.
00:23:59
Nacc
hear um
00:24:00
Fab
I think Joe Mixon, Raj, you hit on it. I think the party's over with Joe Mixon. um we saw the excitement that he can do in the beginning of the season last year, but then it really tailed off. And now they add Nick Chubb. I know that doesn't really move the needle, but you know, whenever they add a running back of the expected caliber, that is Nick Chubb. Cause Nick Chubb, I'm sure he's going to tell everyone they could still do it. I'm sure he can, you know, it's just less carries, less opportunities and all that stuff.
Controversial Picks: Injury and Workload
00:24:25
Roger Emeka
Dude, I've had Mixon so many times.
00:24:25
Fab
Yeah.
00:24:27
Roger Emeka
Like, it is you You'd have to put a gun to my head to draft him.
00:24:27
Fab
Yeah.
00:24:32
Fab
yeah
00:24:33
Nacc
yeah
00:24:35
Fab
And
00:24:35
Nacc
Yeah, I feel like he's going to go really late.
00:24:38
Fab
yeah, I agree. I think you will go very late. I think a lot of the guys were mentioning, to honest with you, they're all in tier four because I think Joe Mixon is there too. Yeah, he is. They're all going to go super late. I think a lot of people are going to be taking the rookies before they take these vets just because they want to chase the upside for their RB2, which I don't disagree with.
00:24:54
Fab
This is going to be a very controversial one, but you know what type of podcast would it be if I didn't have a hot take?
00:24:59
Roger Emeka
have a feeling I know it is.
00:25:03
Fab
You say yours first i'll tell you if you're right or wrong. Go ahead.
00:25:05
Roger Emeka
Devon Echen.
00:25:07
Fab
No, that's not controversial. We're on the same page about that.
00:25:09
Roger Emeka
i I don't want to draft.
00:25:09
Nacc
Well, that would be highly controversial.
00:25:11
Roger Emeka
I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not a big fan of drafting him.
00:25:13
Fab
So he's not on my do not draft list. I just have some, he's just been flying up the boards a lot. And second year running back makes me a little bit nervous to take him super, super high as Bucky Irving.
00:25:26
Fab
Just because
00:25:28
Nacc
Very unpopular opinion.
00:25:28
Roger Emeka
Next boy.
00:25:29
Fab
he's just it's a little like he's at 8th and I'm okay with that there but like I would feel better with the Josh Jacobs before Bucky Irving type deal you know like but after that though yeah like I mean Bucky Irving deserves be in the top 10 I'm not gonna like I say that but he's been flying up lately it's like yeah second year running back
00:25:30
Roger Emeka
It's ready to fight.
00:25:30
Nacc
Very unpopular opinion.
00:25:50
Nacc
like I'm taking Bucky Irving before Gentty.
00:25:55
Fab
okay
00:25:56
Nacc
Only the top three three is the only players I i draft before him.
00:26:02
Roger Emeka
Dude,
00:26:02
Nacc
Gentty, A-chan, McCaffrey, Henry. Those are the other... Yeah, I'd jump all those guys.
00:26:10
Roger Emeka
his metrics were nuts. Like, I'm looking at it on Fantasy Pros.
00:26:13
Nacc
He was insane.
00:26:14
Fab
Yeah, he was fantastic.
00:26:14
Roger Emeka
Top 15 in explosive run rate. 7th in explosive run rate. 3rd in missed tackles force per attempt. 4th in yards after after contact per attempt. Like, those are repeatable numbers, man.
00:26:27
Nacc
Rookie. That was rookie numbers and didn't even start the year.
00:26:28
Roger Emeka
And yeah, yeah, it's...
00:26:29
Fab
Yeah.
00:26:33
Roger Emeka
Who are you worried about Rashad White?
00:26:35
Fab
No, I'm just worried about a little bit of a drop-off from a second-year player.
00:26:35
Nacc
No. Oh, him.
00:26:38
Fab
That's all. Just a bit. Just a bit of a drop-off for me to say, like, you know what? He's at 8 or at 7. It might be a little bit too much for me. But that's it. Like, I'm not knocking the guy down to an RB2. I want to be clear on that, right?
00:26:49
Fab
Just more of there are certain guys that are around him that, for me, have a safer floor just because they've done it before. And really, that's it.
00:26:56
Nacc
Right.
00:26:57
Fab
Like, I'm not, again, I'm not talking about...
00:26:57
Roger Emeka
you said You said Jacob, you said Jacobs. I agree.
00:27:00
Fab
I said Jacobs, yeah.
00:27:00
Roger Emeka
Who else?
00:27:01
Fab
And honestly, I think that's it.
00:27:05
Fab
Now that looking at the list, I'm like, you know what?
00:27:06
Nacc
ah
00:27:06
Roger Emeka
Yeah, exactly.
00:27:06
Fab
Yeah, I think that's it.
00:27:07
Roger Emeka
Because I i was i was i like, McCaffrey, are you sure?
00:27:08
Fab
i think I think that's it. Because Christian McCaffrey, like give me Christian McCaffrey over Bucky Irving.
00:27:11
Nacc
a
00:27:13
Fab
No, I would go Bucky just because Christian McCaffrey will know.
00:27:14
Roger Emeka
not
00:27:17
Nacc
So you just pegged him up to seven now.
00:27:19
Fab
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:20
Nacc
and Now he's at seven.
00:27:20
Fab
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got to redo my rankings.
00:27:22
Nacc
So was a controversial point even to you.
00:27:24
Fab
Just to slide down. e's Listen, it's it's it's tough sledding out there in the RB room, guys. Tough sledding. Because I i kind of have the same argument for Chase Brown. I can't be like, oh, Chase Brown, yeah, we'll take him over Bucky Irving.
00:27:34
Fab
But they're both kind of in the same tier.
00:27:35
Roger Emeka
chase Chase Brown using using your favorite word today, trepidation. I have way more trepidation about Chase Brown.
00:27:42
Fab
I have have equal amounts, honestly.
00:27:45
Roger Emeka
Because he's more to me, he's more of a speedster.
00:27:48
Fab
Yeah.
00:27:49
Roger Emeka
um he is slighter of of a frame and I feel like he's better paired with a bruising running back. Whereas i actually think Brecky Irving, he showed he can handle the load.
00:27:55
Nacc
Mm-hmm.
00:27:55
Fab
I agree.
00:27:59
Roger Emeka
And he's surprisingly strong considering he's only like 195. But...
00:28:03
Fab
Yeah, I was surprised at how good Chase Brown did when Zach Moss went down. I thought that he was going to be swallowed up, but he did very well.
00:28:07
Roger Emeka
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:10
Fab
And it's like, can he do that for a second year in a row?
00:28:10
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:28:14
Fab
Yeah, so I guess like I'm targeting a top five running back or else some fantasy is going to suck next year.
00:28:23
Nacc
Thank you, Fab. That was the running backs. I will now take on the wide receivers that I am avoiding next season. So I base this upon their current ADPs.
Tyreek Hill: Declining Fantasy Value?
00:28:37
Nacc
So my first first wide receiver on the list is going to be Tyreek Hill. wide receiver Miami dolphins. So his current ADP is 15 among, um, wide receivers. And in 2024, he actually dropped to wide receiver 21. I know he battled, some injuries and he had the wrist injury, but he's also going to be 31 this upcoming season. So North of 30 is explosiveness took a bit of a hit last year. i found, and, um,
00:29:09
Nacc
Erratic QB health with Tua in the backfield makes him one to definitely avoid. um like He has a really high cost for the lack of production that he produced last year. So I don't know.
00:29:25
Nacc
I feel like I would look elsewhere, definitely where he's being drafted. And there's four players after him that I would definitely take before Tyreek. And they Rishi Rice, Devante Adams, Mike Evans, and Terry McLaurin.
00:29:42
Fab
Are we sure about Rishi Rice?
00:29:44
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:29:45
Nacc
yeah Oh, yeah.
00:29:46
Fab
We are? Are
00:29:47
Nacc
Yeah, and he's 100%. He's not getting suspended next year, so he's back.
00:29:49
Fab
we? No, from an injury standpoint, not about suspension, but from an injury standpoint.
00:29:50
Roger Emeka
It's health.
00:29:54
Roger Emeka
Oh, actually, he just got a full go from Andy Reid, actually.
00:29:58
Roger Emeka
he
00:29:58
Nacc
Yeah, you he's he's good to go.
00:29:58
Fab
Okay.
00:30:01
Nacc
I'm definitely taking... I know Devante Adams with Puka is kind of like
00:30:02
Fab
I agree with the other three. Rasheed Rice is the only one where I would be like, I need to know more. As of right now, as of June 25th, it's been more of a toss-up for me. Devante, Mike Evans, Terry McClure, and especially Terry, if he gets his contract figured out, I'm down 100%.
00:30:18
Fab
Yeah.
00:30:21
Fab
Tyreek is...
00:30:21
Roger Emeka
I'd push back on Mike Evans personally.
00:30:23
Nacc
Oh, yeah?
00:30:24
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:30:25
Fab
You don't think he has another season in him? We keep on doubting him.
00:30:28
Roger Emeka
um
00:30:28
Fab
He is the Derek Henry of wide receivers.
00:30:30
Roger Emeka
Yeah, but there's still there's still more high upside with Tyreek.
00:30:32
Nacc
Pretty good comparison.
00:30:33
Fab
Actually, yeah.
00:30:34
Roger Emeka
It's a good print comparison. I like there's still more a high upside with Tyreek. I feel like Mike Evans is squarely in the 1,000 yards. Like, I'm barely going to get through to 1,000 yards. Yes, he'll get to, like, his, you know, 8 to 10 touchdowns.
00:30:44
Fab
Yeah. I agree.
00:30:46
Nacc
He gets digits touchdowns. He'll help him out a lot.
00:30:50
Roger Emeka
it definitely helps him out a lot.
00:30:50
Fab
who
00:30:51
Nacc
And the catch is lot of receptions.
00:30:52
Roger Emeka
I still think that if Tyreek, like, I don't disagree with you, Nak, but if Tyreek does somehow have a bounce back season, bounce back season to Tyreek means 120 catches.
00:30:53
Fab
Yeah.
00:31:03
Roger Emeka
means 1500 twenty catches It means touchdowns, you know?
00:31:06
Nacc
But that's all that's that's to us staying healthy for 17 games, which we know that like all likelihood does not happen.
00:31:10
Roger Emeka
yes yes
00:31:14
Nacc
Right. Like that's what I'm basing it on. Right. That you lose him.
00:31:17
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:31:18
Nacc
You lose two for four or five games. Those games. Well, look at games where Tyreek doesn't have two and it's not pretty.
00:31:26
Roger Emeka
Yeah. An underrated factor for Tyreek is that, and I, look, I know it's stupid to say, but like the, the 15 kids, like he needs another contract or else he's going to be broke.
00:31:39
Roger Emeka
He's going to be broke like in 10 years. No, I'm, I'm not, and I'm not joking.
00:31:43
Nacc
Yeah, but what kind of contract is he getting at 31 years old?
00:31:43
Roger Emeka
Like,
00:31:46
Nacc
Like, let's be realistic.
00:31:47
Fab
Yes.
00:31:48
Roger Emeka
he's going to get what Devontae Adams got. Maybe he takes a pay cut, but at least he gets maybe some years added, right? like I think the goal for him is he still needs to stay in that WR2 range where he could command another...
00:31:55
Nacc
Maybe.
00:32:01
Nacc
He's got to stay relevant, basically.
00:32:02
Roger Emeka
you you like command command like ah even contract.
00:32:03
Fab
yes
00:32:07
Nacc
Right.
00:32:11
Nacc
Next guy on my list, he just also signed a big contract this offseason.
Tee Higgins: Overvalued Due to Injuries?
00:32:17
Nacc
It's going to be T. Higgins, current ADP of
00:32:20
Roger Emeka
me
00:32:21
Fab
Okay. Yeah.
00:32:22
Nacc
fourteen So that makes two wide receivers on the same team in the top 14, which I do not like.
00:32:24
Fab
yeah
00:32:30
Nacc
So he's he's currently being drafted as a borderline w r one so just under that tier of WR1. And obviously Chase is the clear-cut WR1 on the team. And history has shown that he he's capped around 110 targets and around like 900 yards.
00:32:47
Nacc
So it limits a bit of his season at a ceiling, excuse me. And he's definitely going to have WR1 type number of games.
00:32:54
Roger Emeka
Thank
00:32:55
Nacc
But I feel like it's not enough to warrant his his draft position, right? like And there's also the injury concern. He's he's only played 12 games in each of the past two seasons. he Like we said it before with running backs, like your your best ability is your availability, right? And he just doesn't show that. So, man, 14, drafting him ADP 14 for a guy who plays 12 games a year,
00:33:21
Nacc
Doesn't have the UWR1 targets, and, you know, he's hovering around that 9 to 1,000-yard season. I don't know. Way, way, way, way way too rich for for my blood. Okay.
00:33:35
Fab
Yeah, I don't disagree with this at all. T. Higgins is another guy that I'm fading a little bit to. Like we mentioned those four guys earlier within the episode. I would happily take any one of those four over T. Higgins. he He's a very nice wide receiver too.
00:33:49
Fab
Like he's like firmly entrenched within wide receiver too territory for me.
00:33:52
Nacc
Oh, yeah.
00:33:53
Fab
Like mid-tier wide receiver too. Like, you know, because it is a high-flying offense. And now that they don't have any single linebacker or defensive edge on that team that can rush the quarterback,
00:34:05
Fab
the defense will be on there for quite a while. You know what I mean? like they're going to be playing behind a lot outfield. So you always kind of want that as far as a recipe for success is concerned. If he stays healthy, he can turn into wide receiver one numbers though. That's the thing.
00:34:19
Nacc
But the way my head works is, can a Marvin Harrison Jr.
00:34:19
Fab
But...
00:34:24
Nacc
not do what a T. Higgins does? Can potentially DK Metcalf not do what a dk ah T. Higgins will do in terms of production? um A Cortland Sutton, maybe?
00:34:36
Nacc
Like a Zay Flowers?
00:34:36
Fab
No.
00:34:37
Roger Emeka
Jerry Judy.
00:34:37
Nacc
Like Jerry Judy? Yeah, like he did it last year, right? So, like, you're talking about guys that you're going you're going down like,
00:34:44
Roger Emeka
He didn't have good QB play last year.
00:34:45
Fab
Yeah, but you want consistency, though.
00:34:46
Nacc
Chris Godwin right now, ADP 27.
00:34:47
Fab
like
00:34:48
Nacc
I know he's coming off that gruesome injury, but like players like that, I'm i'm saying like the value just isn't there for taking a WR2 on someone's team where has, that has Jamar chase in it.
00:35:00
Nacc
Like I'll wait around her too and take Harrison, you know, I'll wait around her too and take Medcalf instead and shore up somewhere else, like shore up ah my running back position or draft another QB. Right.
00:35:12
Nacc
This is a QB, a two QB league after all. I just, for me, it's like, when you see that and it's like, it's coming up to the second round, third round, and you're taking a T Higgins. Like for me, it's just way, way, way, way too rich.
00:35:24
Roger Emeka
Well, he was my bust last week when we when we discussed this. And i remember, if you guys remember, I mentioned, i think only he had a better finish than 17. Either WR11 or WR...
00:35:32
Nacc
Yeah.
00:35:33
Roger Emeka
I think it was WR17 because of the fact that he's just always injured, right?
00:35:34
Fab
Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's very true.
00:35:37
Nacc
Injured.
00:35:37
Roger Emeka
So you get to a point where like even a guy like Jacoby Myers or Juwan Jennings, if you assume that Tee Higgins will get injured, Juwan Jennings and ju Jacoby Myers are better picks than Tee Higgins, which conceptually is crazy, but he can't stay healthy.
00:35:38
Fab
yeah
00:35:48
Nacc
That's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, but the value, that the value just is not there at 14 for me.
00:35:50
Fab
ye ah sure ah spiritual
00:35:54
Nacc
It's just nowhere in the vicinity where you can get a guy who's, like i said, ADP 24 and below sometimes 10 wide receivers later and you're getting the same production from one of those players.
00:35:54
Roger Emeka
yeah yep yep
00:36:05
Nacc
So yeah, just one guy I'm, I'm, I'm certainly, certainly avoiding ah this upcoming season.
00:36:12
Fab
It's a lot of peaks and valleys with Tee Higgins. You don't know what you're getting from one week to another. Yeah.
00:36:17
Nacc
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:20
Nacc
So that'll do it for our wide receivers.
Travis Kelsey: Is Decline Imminent?
00:36:22
Nacc
We will go through some tight ends quickly. Look, I'll just start quickly with my tight end, who I think most likely will be on many people's lists is, and I think we've talked about this as well.
00:36:35
Nacc
um Lucas, if you're listening, it's Mr. ah Travis Kelsey. Going into, now he's going to be 35 this year.
00:36:46
Nacc
and he had his hit career low stats last year. Still finished as tight end six, which was kind of surprising to me.
00:36:50
Fab
Robert
00:36:53
Nacc
But um yeah, now there's Noah Gray pushing for more time. there's I think they signed Robert Tunyon too. and Not to say that he's going to really take over.
00:37:02
Roger Emeka
Wow, he still plays?
00:37:03
Nacc
Yeah, he still plays, I know.
00:37:04
Fab
robert
00:37:05
Nacc
um
00:37:05
Fab
toion
00:37:07
Nacc
But it's just like really risky to take a player like that, I find. aging veteran. i think they're going to try to run a bit more, but even at that, the offensive line too, they're they're having a little issues on the offensive line. So right now he's going as ADP 7.
00:37:22
Nacc
So you have players like Njoku, Jonu Smith, Mark Andrews, Tucker Craft that are going after him that da you know potentially actually bump up. Even like a Tyler Warren, would I'd rather take a flyer on than potentially adding Kelsey to my lineup.
00:37:44
Roger Emeka
It was a really bad ride last year.
00:37:44
Fab
I like the... Yeah.
00:37:47
Roger Emeka
It was awful.
00:37:48
Nacc
was tough to tough to see. Yeah,
00:37:50
Roger Emeka
He did lose. I heard he lost 35 pounds.
00:37:53
Nacc
he did lose a lot of weight.
00:37:54
Fab
I thought he gained weight. He lost weight?
00:37:54
Roger Emeka
And he said he...
00:37:56
Roger Emeka
No, he lost weight. He said he recomm...
00:37:57
Nacc
Maybe Taylor Swift helped him with that.
00:38:03
Roger Emeka
How? How, Nak?
00:38:04
Fab
Yeah, care to explain on that now?
00:38:04
Roger Emeka
How? How? Explain.
00:38:06
Fab
Care to elaborate?
00:38:06
Nacc
Well, I'll let i'll let the ah the viewers use their imaginations.
00:38:10
Fab
ah little TMC insider takeover here.
00:38:15
Roger Emeka
I don't know where to go after that. I agree.
00:38:16
Fab
what what What were they saying about Jason Travis Kelce?
00:38:17
Roger Emeka
Do not draft.
00:38:20
Fab
He lost his his hoodism or whatever? What the... Rod, you know I'm talking about.
00:38:23
Nacc
His what?
00:38:25
Roger Emeka
Yeah, because he was... Yeah, he was ah he was ah big-time cookout candidate. I mean, he was...
00:38:30
Fab
Yeah. Not anymore.
00:38:32
Roger Emeka
like look ah look who he was dating before Taylor Swift like that qualifies you very much so um and he has now he has the the Jason Presley 90210 haircut with the thank you it's back it's back yeah
00:38:35
Fab
Yes. 100%. Yes. Yeah, yes. yes
00:38:38
Nacc
Right.
00:38:44
Fab
yeah is
00:38:46
Fab
He has the same haircut I had in grade four.
00:38:46
Nacc
Yeah.
00:38:51
Fab
It's like just part it right down in the middle. It's like this is when, you know, I had more hair on my head. Part it right down the middle. Yeah.
00:38:58
Nacc
Nick Cannon.
00:39:00
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:39:03
Nacc
Raj, what do you who do you have as a tight end?
00:39:04
Roger Emeka
It's Kyle Pitts. It's Kyle Pitts.
00:39:06
Nacc
There we go.
00:39:06
Fab
Oh my God. That doesn't count, man.
00:39:06
Roger Emeka
Like, am I going to let you...
00:39:07
Roger Emeka
i let you i was just chomping at a bit to say it's Kyle Pitts.
00:39:10
Fab
And no one's going to draft the tight end 20 over there.
00:39:11
Nacc
ADP 20. That's very low. that's ah
00:39:14
Fab
Dude, he's tight end 20.
00:39:15
Nacc
very low
00:39:15
Fab
No one's drafting him.
00:39:16
Roger Emeka
That's nuts, man.
00:39:18
Fab
Well, not according to you it isn't.
00:39:21
Roger Emeka
I'd rather have Jawan Johnson. My boy Jawan Johnson.
00:39:24
Nacc
Like Colson Loveland, Hunter Henry, Dallas Goddard.
00:39:27
Roger Emeka
Taysom Hill. but it Take Taysom Hill over him.
00:39:28
Fab
is Godair. That is Godair.
00:39:31
Nacc
No, I don't think Taysom Hill is playing this year.
00:39:31
Roger Emeka
No, but like...
00:39:34
Fab
Oh, I got a good one for you guys.
00:39:37
Roger Emeka
Go.
00:39:37
Nacc
Tell me.
00:39:38
Fab
ah Dalton Kincaid.
00:39:40
Roger Emeka
Oh, yeah, that's a really good one.
00:39:42
Nacc
That's a good one.
00:39:42
Fab
Dalton Kincaid finished tight end 26 last year.
00:39:43
Nacc
That's a good one. Yeah, super disappointing.
00:39:47
Fab
Yeah. um Just to throw some stats at you guys.
00:39:48
Roger Emeka
But is it disappointing or is it that Josh Allen just spreads the ball so much now? Like he doesn't key into any one wide receiver anymore.
00:39:53
Fab
Yeah.
00:39:55
Nacc
It's because they don't have that bonafide number one, right?
00:39:57
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:39:57
Nacc
like So it's it's easy to spread the ball around.
00:39:57
Fab
He had... Kincaid had 450 receiving yards and that was third on the Bills.
00:40:06
Roger Emeka
Yeah. That's crazy.
00:40:08
Fab
Like, it's not a lot. It's not a lot at all. um and But guys that I would target instead of kunt Kincaid, they're going much later. And I mentioned this, I remember in the chat when when the draft was happening, Elijah Arroyo in Seattle.
00:40:24
Fab
His only competition is Noah Fant. Who? Like, so, um Elijah Arroyo?
00:40:29
Nacc
Who are you drafting? Arroyo.
00:40:33
Nacc
arroyo
00:40:34
Fab
Yeah, he's he's going very, very far. Like, right now his ADP, I think, is tight end 31. So just as of right now, it's a very deep sleeper. Even Mason Taylor, the tight end for rookie for the Jets, he's been like showing up at camp right now too. And that's another thing where it's like you don't really have much competition.
00:40:54
Fab
And Zach Ertz, man. My boy Zach Ertz.
00:40:55
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:40:58
Fab
Boy Zach Ertz.
00:40:58
Roger Emeka
Solid.
00:40:58
Nacc
That hurts his, yeah.
00:41:00
Roger Emeka
Super solid.
00:41:01
Fab
Like, he's going right before Rodgers' favorite player on this planet, Kyle Pitts.
00:41:09
Fab
So you can get him at deep discount.
00:41:09
Nacc
Chig Okwankwo.
00:41:11
Fab
They finished tight end eight last year. Like, no one's giving this guy credit. No one's giving him any love, and not much has changed. And especially if Terry McClure and, you know, that contract situation gets very murky, all of a sudden, hey.
00:41:22
Nacc
It's just age, right? Like age at a certain point catches up to you, right?
00:41:24
Fab
Yeah, for sure. He's 36.
00:41:25
Nacc
So he's 34 years old
00:41:26
Fab
Yeah, for sure.
00:41:29
Nacc
like you just, you get up there, right? We're we're knocking Kelsey because of age and yeah, exactly.
00:41:31
Fab
I agree.
00:41:33
Fab
no, I fully i fully agree.
00:41:33
Roger Emeka
This all depends on tight end strategy, right?
00:41:36
Roger Emeka
Like, which...
00:41:37
Fab
Listen, if I'm not getting one of the top five guys or top six guys, like I'm just punting the position and just like drafting two tight ends and see which one's hit.
00:41:37
Roger Emeka
Yeah,
00:41:44
Fab
And I might even, yeah, I'm just like streaming every single year. Like tight ends are always a wasteland for me.
00:41:44
Roger Emeka
yeah you're streaming.
00:41:50
Roger Emeka
But again, like, it's crazy that Kate Auten would be ranked below, like, a Kyle Pitts. Like, the problem with Pitts is that...
00:41:56
Nacc
There's a lot of mouths to feed in in Tampa though.
00:41:56
Fab
Yeah. A hundred percent.
00:41:59
Roger Emeka
Yes, good point. My issue with Pitts is that people still think you could take a flyer on him that for some reason he might still get a thousand yards where it's been very clear that that ship has completely sailed.
00:42:00
Fab
Yeah.
00:42:10
Roger Emeka
And I think to Fab's point, there are rookies who I think would be interesting. like I've been hearing a lot about Aranda Gadsden with the Chargers. with the the chargers ah
Kyle Pitts: High Risk, Low Reward?
00:42:22
Roger Emeka
there's Ben Sinat too.
00:42:22
Fab
Yes.
00:42:23
Roger Emeka
ben' like you know This is more like deep sleeper territory. Ben Sinat was drafted last year. I think he went to Iowa, tight end U. ah you know Maybe he starts to supplant Zach Ertz. I think there's guys who, even Theo Johnson with the with the Giants.
00:42:37
Fab
Yeah.
00:42:37
Nacc
i like
00:42:37
Fab
Theo Johnson's I like too.
00:42:37
Roger Emeka
ah
00:42:38
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:42:38
Nacc
i like
00:42:39
Fab
To be honest with you, the Giants put together a nice tight end room there, even with Finn Doan, who was out of high school, was ranked higher than Brock Bowers.
00:42:39
Nacc
brenton
00:42:41
Roger Emeka
Yeah. Yes.
00:42:46
Fab
He just had a lot of injury his history.
00:42:48
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:42:49
Fab
ah Someone we're not talking about at all, which I believe requires more of a conversation, is Brenton Strange.
00:42:49
Nacc
I like...
00:42:55
Nacc
Yeah, you took the the the air out of my sails.
00:42:55
Roger Emeka
Mm. Great call.
00:42:58
Fab
Oh, sorry.
00:42:58
Roger Emeka
Great call.
00:42:58
Fab
I had it written down on my notes. Sorry, NAC.
00:43:01
Nacc
It's all good. But yeah, I like him a lot.
00:43:02
Fab
Yeah. Yeah, man.
00:43:04
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:43:04
Nacc
Very, very, very underrated.
00:43:06
Fab
Yeah. He was good last year. He was very good. And we all know what Liam Cohen can do with tight ends, right? Duval.
00:43:13
Nacc
Duvall.
00:43:14
Roger Emeka
Duval.
00:43:15
Fab
Duval.
00:43:16
Roger Emeka
Duval.
00:43:19
Fab
Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts.
00:43:20
Roger Emeka
Tight ends.
00:43:20
Fab
Hold on. I just brought up his fantasy stats here for a second.
00:43:20
Roger Emeka
Gotta love him.
00:43:23
Fab
Let me see stats for Kyle Pitts.
00:43:25
Nacc
Oh boy.
00:43:28
Nacc
They are not good.
00:43:29
Roger Emeka
They're in the pits.
00:43:29
Fab
So his touchdowns in his first year were one, in his second year were two, in his third year were three, and his fourth year was four. So I don't know about you guys, but I think I see a trend here.
00:43:42
Fab
I think I see a trend.
00:43:43
Nacc
Oh, always grasping at straws.
00:43:43
Fab
I think i think this is the year that Kyle Pitts breaks out.
00:43:47
Roger Emeka
And what does that breakout mean? What does that mean?
00:43:50
Fab
Honestly, five touchdowns just because it just makes sense at this point.
00:43:50
Roger Emeka
What does it?
00:43:53
Fab
um Like five touchdowns and like 600 yards, 700 yards-ish.
00:43:59
Nacc
Wow, talk about a breakout.
00:44:02
Fab
No, that's... You know, the last two years he got 600 yards receiving and like 50 receptions.
00:44:05
Roger Emeka
If he was taken
00:44:06
Fab
I think it's that. I think that's what Kyle Pitts is.
00:44:08
Roger Emeka
if he was taken in the mid-first or further, there would be no issue. No one would have any problem with his numbers.
00:44:15
Fab
For sure. But he's 24 years old and he's played four seasons in the NFL.
00:44:23
Nacc
Yeah, it's nuts. It's nuts.
00:44:24
Fab
That's wild. Like some guys are rookies and they're starting at 24.
00:44:26
Nacc
It's nuts.
00:44:29
Nacc
ye
00:44:31
Fab
Tyler Shuck is like 30.
00:44:35
Fab
And he has seven degrees because he went to university for 14 years.
00:44:37
Nacc
He's 29, okay? Put some respect. I don't know, actually.
00:44:40
Fab
No, I'm kidding.
00:44:41
Nacc
What is he, 27, think?
00:44:41
Fab
Tyler Shuck is a friend of the podcast.
00:44:42
Nacc
I think 27. I think he's 27. Mm-hmm. he's twenty seven
00:44:45
Fab
Did you guys hear how, you know you guys know Amon Arasian Brown has his podcast, right? We all know that. Yeah, I think he had Tyler Shuck on and he was introducing Tyler Shuck, but the way that his name is spelled is show.
00:44:50
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:44:56
Fab
He telling the audience, he's like, the way you say his name is that you take the F word and you put a shut in front of it.
00:45:04
Nacc
a shot
00:45:06
Fab
Shuck. was like, that makes sense. It's good. We can't swear on this podcast.
00:45:10
Roger Emeka
I like that podcast.
00:45:10
Nacc
that's good that's good that's good well that'll do it ladies and gentlemen that was our do not draft list for the upcoming season join us in a couple of weeks and we will be going um over our make or break players coming into the new season so that will be
00:45:11
Fab
It's family friendly.
00:45:30
Nacc
players that have basically one last shot to to prove it. i think I think already Kyle Pitts probably makes that list by by by default.
00:45:39
Fab
I don't think so. I don't think so.
00:45:41
Nacc
But I don't think we'll talk about him again. ah Guys, thank you so much for listening. Please, once again, follow us on all the social media platforms and like and subscribe but everywhere you get your podcasts. It would mean the world to us.
00:45:53
Nacc
We're out. We'll see you in a couple weeks. Peace.
00:45:59
Roger Emeka
I'm waiting for the cue to music, but all right.
00:46:01
Fab
i was but
00:46:01
Nacc
See the music, bro.
00:46:01
Fab
There it is.
00:46:02
Nacc
See the music.
00:46:02
Fab
There it is.
00:46:03
Roger Emeka
I got so used to it.
00:46:03
Nacc
but I missed it. I missed it.
00:46:05
Fab
There it is
00:46:05
Roger Emeka
I got so used to it.
00:46:06
Fab
Bring them horns out, Roger. Bring the horns out.
00:46:08
Nacc
See, we got a little rusty after two weeks. You see that?
00:46:10
Roger Emeka
I know. Guys, the Raptors are about to draft. I've been watching the draft the entire time while you guys were talking.
00:46:15
Fab
what what What European player that won't make the starting lineup while they draft this time?
00:46:16
Nacc
nice.
00:46:20
Roger Emeka
ah ah Actually, there's a guy from Duke who is really good. I hope they take him.
00:46:25
Fab
Did the Cooper flag go first overall?
00:46:27
Roger Emeka
He sure did.
00:46:29
Fab
Yeah, that's a shocker.
00:46:29
Nacc
Come on.
00:46:31
Roger Emeka
Goodbye. See you in two weeks.
00:46:32
Fab
Bye, everyone.
00:46:33
Nacc
Goodbye.
00:46:35
Fab
Peace!