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🔥 Fantasy Football 2025: Breakouts & Busts! Who Will Boom & Who Will Bust? | Bush League Huddle
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Welcome back to the Bush League Huddle Fantasy Football Podcast! After a short break, we’re back to break down our 2025 Breakouts & Busts for the upcoming season.
💥 Breakouts: Who’s poised to leap forward and crush their ADP?
💣 Busts: Which stars might let you down in 2025?
We debate players like Michael Penix Jr., Bryce Young, Bucky Irving, Josh Downs, Tua Tagovailoa, Pat Mahomes and many more!
Join Rog, Fab, and Nacc as we dive deep and share our hottest takes, strategies, and insights to prep you for your draft.
👇 Drop your breakout and bust picks in the comments!
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00:00:04
Roger Emeka
Welcome
Introduction to Fantasy Football 2025
00:00:05
Roger Emeka
back to another episode of the Bush League Huddle Fantasy Football Podcast. It's been a while. Today we are back and we have a special episode.
00:00:12
Fab
It's been a minute.
00:00:13
Roger Emeka
It's our breakouts and bust episode where each of us are sharing our topics for the 2025 season.
Understanding Breakouts and Busts
00:00:20
Roger Emeka
So before we dive into it, let's talk about what we mean by breakouts and busts specifically.
00:00:24
Roger Emeka
So a breakout is a player who had a lower ADP or average 2024 numbers who we think are primed to take a big leap forward this season, or it could also be a player who was drafted ah in 2024.
00:00:37
Roger Emeka
A bust, on the other hand, are higher ADP guys or higher ranking guys or players who put up big stats in 2024 who we think are in for a letdown.
Speakers and Episode Structure
00:00:47
Roger Emeka
So ah having covered that tonight is not only Fabio Chiarelli, who has the quarterbacks, he'll give us two breakouts and two busts at the QB position because we're a two QB league, of course.
00:01:00
Roger Emeka
Knack is handling the running backs, one breakout and one bust. I've got the wide receivers, and then we'll have an organic discussion on the tight ends.
Podcast Scheduling Update
00:01:09
Roger Emeka
Before we jump into it, please like, follow, share, subscribe, but YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, you name it.
00:01:20
Roger Emeka
ah We're going to be on a little bit of a load management schedule, if you want to call it, one episode every two weeks for June. And then we're back at it one episode a week starting in July with our divisional previews.
00:01:34
Roger Emeka
Fab, let's dive dive into
Breakout Quarterbacks Discussion
00:01:36
Roger Emeka
it. Give me your... what do you want to do? You want to start breakouts? You want busts? What do you want to do
00:01:42
Fab
Um, I'll go with breakouts first. Let's start with some positivity here. So breakout QB.
00:01:46
Roger Emeka
Let's do it. Breakout QB.
00:01:48
Fab
So I actually, i was like full on. I'm like, yeah, this is the guy I want to do. And then I saw your little, okay, players under 28 years old. and okay, so this one can be a breakout. Um, but we're going to, I'm going to give him as an honorable mention later on.
00:02:00
Fab
My first breakout is actually Michael Penix Jr. Um, I, Yeah. So it's, he's the quarterback 100% for Atlanta. And we saw what we did in the very small amount of time that he had in those three games where he ended the season where he was going full on.
00:02:16
Fab
um Listen, excellent offensive weapons. ah Zach Robinson is the OC. We spoke about him last year too, but now, you know, it's another full season, full off season, excuse me, in that offense. Right. So, and he also spent five years with the Rams.
00:02:29
Fab
So the guy comes from a very good, very good offensive coordination stock, in my opinion. ah Like I mentioned, he only played three full four games. And fantasy points-wise, it went from 7.4 to 12.2 to 26 to end the season.
00:02:43
Fab
So I think he has excellent.
00:02:44
Roger Emeka
That's the game against the Redskit.
00:02:45
Fab
Yeah, against the Redskins, that's right.
00:02:45
Roger Emeka
We're
00:02:46
Fab
So I think he has, i think Michael Penix Jr.
00:02:49
Roger Emeka
starting strong.
00:02:50
Fab
has excellent, excellent weekly QB2 upside. Season-long, I think he also has top 12, to be honest with you. I think more like towards the fringe, 12, 13, 14. twelve thirteen fourteen His current ADP is right now as per fantasy pros, he's going as a quarterback 23 behind Tua, Drake, Justin Fields, JJ McCarthy, and Trevor Lawrence.
00:03:13
Fab
um I would take a flyer, especially as my QB two on Michael Penix above all those guys and draft them very early. Like not very early, but I would see him.
00:03:25
Fab
I'll be very comfortable drafting him as like the 16th or 17th quarterback off the board and definitely not a quarterback 23.
00:03:27
Roger Emeka
way.
00:03:30
Nacc
If question for you, if Atlanta struggles and comes out of the gate, call it one in five. Do you see an avenue where they turn back to cousins knowing that they have all that money behind him?
00:03:46
Nacc
Or do they just ride the season no matter how it goes roller coaster?
00:03:46
Roger Emeka
no
00:03:52
Fab
I think they ride the season. I think I don't, I, the only Avenue I see to Kirk cousins starting for Atlanta again is injury. I um injury to Michael Penix. That is, I don't see because they invested in him.
00:04:07
Fab
They invested at top 10 pick. I think it was ninth or eighth overall in 2024. um they like him and you saw what he can do. And he's much more explosive off the ball than Kirk Cousins was like Kirk Cousins. We spoke about a lot last year. he's not playing the bucks, like you don't want to start him.
00:04:25
Fab
And Michael Penix was exciting to watch.
00:04:26
Roger Emeka
and We said that a lot last year.
00:04:28
Fab
Yeah, we did. Michael Penix was exciting to watch. And Drake London had a fantastic season last year. He ended off really well because of, because of Penix.
00:04:36
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:04:36
Fab
If you look at his stats too, And then you throw in all the other offensive weapons they have, like the running backs and the other wide receivers they have. We're not going to mention the tight end. But we're going to talk about the other but ah the other offensive weapons they have.
00:04:44
Roger Emeka
Thank you.
00:04:48
Fab
I think it's a very good system for him like he had in Washington, right? when when In college. I think it's going super explosive. And I think he has the arm talent for that. and Again, you know, another year.
00:05:01
Fab
Learning the playbook, learning the ah offense. I don't see how he won't bring you back weekly QB2 numbers. I think QB23 right now is his ADP is way too low.
00:05:11
Roger Emeka
I like this because of the fact that he sat almost half the year, he got to learn.
00:05:11
Nacc
Mm-hmm.
00:05:14
Fab
Yep.
00:05:17
Roger Emeka
And then we, so as you say, we saw what he did during the last, what, five to six games. He almost got them to the playoffs too, right? And, Live arm, like power arm to get the ball downfield to London and all that offensive weapon. So I personally really like this. And and if you think of, and and it's rankings, not ADP, right? it's And that's ah that's on me. I should have mentioned it's rankings because very few teams, very few leagues are drafting right now.
00:05:43
Roger Emeka
So he's nestled around the Tua, Tonga-Vailoa, Bryce Young, Sam Darnold, Geno Smith. Cam Ward, I would much rather take a flyer on Penix over Tua, over Darnold.
00:05:58
Roger Emeka
ah You know, Bryce Young, I think that's an interesting one. i think he's also primed for a pretty decent year, but really like the Penix pick.
00:06:07
Nacc
Yeah, but I think it's see hes he's pretty, like, I would say the ADP or the ranking at 22-23, I think is, you know, it's it's where it should be, right?
00:06:07
Fab
Panics also...
00:06:18
Nacc
Like, I wouldn't rank him high. Like, know you mentioned Fab pushing for top 12 numbers. I don't see it at the top 12 position this year. Again, this is always, i always come back to this, if the QBs stay healthy.
00:06:32
Nacc
Like, if all the QBs stay healthy, I don't see a world where Panix,
00:06:33
Roger Emeka
Thank you.
00:06:37
Nacc
becomes a QB1 this year. Could it be down the line some sometime and in a few years, perhaps? But I think there's there's promise. There's definitely upside, and we definitely liked what we saw last year, but the QB1 numbers, I think I'm scared of.
00:06:54
Fab
Well, to be fair, QB1, I was talking about QB number 12 overall. all Like, I don't think he's going to crack the top 10.
00:06:58
Nacc
Yeah, 12. No, that's what I meant. I don't see him cracking top 12, is what I'm saying.
00:07:04
Fab
He also has a lot of rushing upside, right? We forgot about the last game the season. He had some decent rushing yards and and he ran one in for a touchdown too. So I think there is that There's that upside that exists with him that might not exist with other quarterbacks in that same spot, you know, like the ones we just mentioned right now. And whenever you have a quarterback with rushing upside, I think it does, it does definitely raise the ceiling for them and also gives you a pretty solid floor. So no, I like Michael Penix in, in 2025, very comfortably we'll draft be drafting him.
00:07:34
Fab
If I have the chance to, as a safe QB two, and I think he's going to be, I think he's going to be giving a lot of solid weeks with some solid numbers.
00:07:45
Roger Emeka
Who's your second breakout, Fab?
00:07:46
Fab
Well, you mentioned him, Roger. Bryce Young.
00:07:48
Roger Emeka
I had a feeling. like
00:07:49
Fab
Yeah, yeah. Listen, continuity is key.
00:07:52
Roger Emeka
You're staying in the ah NFC South.
00:07:52
Fab
um Yeah. after After the benching, Bryce came back in week eight and played very well until the end of the season. So I was going through some of his numbers from last year. It was actually pretty astounding.
00:08:04
Fab
um Nine of those 10 weeks in the remainder of the season, he had a top, there there were top 20 finishes. Four were in the top 15. Week 18, he totaled 36 points, was QB number one overall.
00:08:17
Fab
He added six touchdowns with his legs after the week 11 bye. Carolina have drafted weapons for him at all positions. ah Most notably, your boy, Nat Troja.
00:08:30
Fab
Current ADP right now, current ADP is 24.
00:08:31
Nacc
The Roya. roa
00:08:34
Fab
He way too low. Another guy that I think has a lot of top 15 potential, very safe weekly QB two with a lot of, I think some QB one upside and the six rushing touchdowns after his week 11 by all six of his rushing touchdowns, they came after week 11.
00:08:48
Fab
So there is some, again, you talk about like, you know, having that upside, having that safe floor and then, and then higher ceiling. Bryson is another one of those guys too. The fact that they invested in all those weapons, Bryce Young is another guy, too, that I would definitely take a flyer on before the other quarterbacks that I mentioned earlier, like Tua, Drake, Fields. Trevor Lawrence, two degree as well.
00:09:08
Fab
It just seems...
00:09:09
Nacc
You're going him before Drake May? And Fields?
00:09:11
Fab
Trevor Lawrence is... Who? Bryce Young over Drake May?
00:09:16
Nacc
Yeah, and Fields?
00:09:16
Fab
Yeah.
00:09:17
Nacc
You just mentioned Fields.
00:09:18
Fab
Yeah.
00:09:19
Nacc
That one I would strongly disagree with that.
00:09:21
Fab
Yeah. I think they're going to be coming around around the same spot. I wouldn't be surprised they finished the end of the season the same way.
00:09:24
Nacc
fields Fields on bad teams had had top 10 fantasy seasons, right?
00:09:25
Roger Emeka
The only thing with...
00:09:29
Nacc
So I'm not sure, but I but i do agree with your Bryce Young. like I like Bryce Young. a ton this year bryce young stock is definitely definitely rising but man drake may
00:09:43
Roger Emeka
the only thing with
00:09:44
Nacc
fields fields for sure no but may i guess it would be your your it's pretty close it's closer than than i'm making it seem but i think fields and fields and bryce young is two different two different categories
00:09:56
Fab
Fields, i'll give you I'll give you Fields. He has a better strength of schedule.
00:10:02
Fab
that that the the the The Jets have a pretty decent schedule next year, and they all have a rushing upside for sure.
00:10:04
Nacc
You mentioned rushing upside before. He's got better rushing upside.
00:10:08
Fab
i don't know, but I'm high on Bryson. I really am. I think he finishes like 10 spots above his ADP. Eight for sure. like I see him in the mid-tier QB2 conversation.
00:10:17
Roger Emeka
It was very fun to watch Bryce Young at the end of the the season. he From week 16, 17, 18, he had ah seven touchdowns, zero interceptions. My only pet peeve with him, and I'm so happy to see him doing well, my only pet peeve with him was that he did very well against very bad defenses.
00:10:37
Roger Emeka
So Tampa, against Tampa in week 13, he had 24 fantasy points. Against Arizona week 16, he had 27 fantasy points. And then the season finale against Atlanta, 36. When he faced better defenses like KC, 16.5 points. Philly, 12.5.
00:10:54
Roger Emeka
Dallas, 12. So i I want him to do very well. um i think he's going to have ah season where he will start every game.
00:11:07
Roger Emeka
But if I had to put caution on something is that he did it against some pretty bad defenses. And when he faced better defenses, he just wasn't as good. He would just finish with a lot of like one touchdown games, which which then Fab, he he kind becomes more of a like QB three again.
00:11:26
Roger Emeka
You know, he you need two touchdown games in in my opinion to be like a bona fide QB two.
00:11:31
Fab
So can you go over those games again that you mentioned that they played tougher defenses?
00:11:32
Roger Emeka
And two QB.
00:11:36
Fab
It was KC?
00:11:38
Roger Emeka
uh well even like even like well go back to even like new orleans like well that they weren't they were good in the in the beginning of the year 9.6 points denver 13.6 points new orleans 9.7 you know if he played the giants he only played had 12 points casey 16 and a half and that was like some comeback some comeback stuff at the end if i recall in that game
00:11:44
Fab
Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:56
Fab
Yeah, see...
00:11:58
Fab
Right, but you got to also put into perspective how everybody else played that week too, right?
00:11:59
Nacc
Yeah.
00:12:02
Fab
and And when I was going over my stats and I was saying nine of those 10 weeks at a top 20 finish, we're talking about the Giants, we're talking about KC, we're talking about those tough games they might have played against Philly. um you know It's not every week he's going to put up 36 points, but if we're talking about a QB2 value that's going outside of a QB2 range, I can still bring you back some solid returns every single week.
Mahomes: A Bust at ADP 7?
00:12:24
Fab
um
00:12:25
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:12:25
Fab
I think Bryce Young still fits that mold and the fact that you're adding A big target like Tech McMillan, who we didn't have before, another speech around the outside, I think that's also going to help him too.
00:12:36
Fab
like I don't disagree with you. He's going to play better against worse defenses like you would hope so. But at the same time, we got also give the guy some credit. I mean, we're talking about a top 20 finish, nine out of the last 10 weeks.
00:12:48
Fab
And that's consistency. That's what you want, especially out of a QB2. And if you get lucky, you draft him as a QB3, then you could plug him in at the right matchups.
00:12:54
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:12:55
Fab
I like Bryce Young as a breakout this year. I do.
00:12:58
Roger Emeka
i I think and i'll i' after that, like, i think we'll move on. I think that that gets to NAC's point where, like, you know, if the QBs, lot of QBs are injured, then, like, that, like, ah a 16 and a half point game, it gets you into a top 10 finish.
00:13:12
Nacc
well that's what that was my next point was you you rambled off a bunch of teams when did then when did those when did he play those teams where he had low scoring low scoring games because there was a lot of qbs that were obviously injured and stuff so
00:13:21
Roger Emeka
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. it's It's just caution. like ah and ah and so And this is why it's a good...
00:13:26
Fab
Yeah, but hold on a sec. Now we're just throwing something that happens every single year, though.
00:13:28
Nacc
And I like him.
00:13:30
Fab
There's like how many QBs get injured every single year? and like every well There's like 40 QBs that start or 50 QBs. The number keeps going up every single year. like we're just We're working out of a vacuum here, right?
00:13:38
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:13:40
Fab
Like Bryce Young. Talking about a 2QB league over here. He's a weekly starter as in a 2QB league. There's no doubt about it. And he can give you high-end, mid-tier QB2 numbers.
00:13:52
Roger Emeka
i hope he's I hope he's a weekly starter too. And I think he finished off well.
00:13:55
Fab
For sure.
00:13:57
Roger Emeka
So I think there's still some some some caution on that front. Fab, now we're going to move on to the bus for Yeah, yeah, please.
00:14:03
Fab
but Can I give like my honorable mention for the breakout that didn't really fit Geno Smith?
00:14:06
Roger Emeka
Yeah, yeah. I like our number mentions. Go for it. Yeah.
00:14:09
Fab
Geno Smith is going as QB25 right now. like He can easily finish 10 spots higher than that.
00:14:13
Roger Emeka
36-year-old breakout season.
00:14:15
Fab
Yeah, I was going over. I'm like, oh yeah, Geno Smith. Great. Then I saw like, oh crap. It's 28 and under. Okay.
00:14:21
Nacc
Breakout season.
00:14:22
Roger Emeka
Did I say 20 and under?
00:14:23
Fab
ah the right
00:14:23
Roger Emeka
I actually said that?
00:14:25
Fab
Yeah, your first bullet point.
00:14:25
Nacc
Yeah.
00:14:26
Fab
Under 28 years old with low ADP.
00:14:29
Roger Emeka
I did say that.
00:14:29
Fab
Kind of nixed my Geno Smith, but that's okay.
00:14:31
Roger Emeka
Yeah, I did say that.
00:14:32
Fab
We got him in anyways. um So now going to quarterback busts. I'm going to bust.
00:14:38
Nacc
my god, I'm bust.
00:14:41
Fab
Some controversial. Well, one for sure. um Pat Mahomes. Pat Mahomes, QB busts relative to ADP. He's right now his ADP is quarterback seven.
00:14:54
Fab
That's a little bit too rich for my blood for Mr. Patrick Mahomes, who last year was quarterback 11 and quarterback 13 on a points per game basis. A year before that, I think he was quarterback eight.
00:15:07
Fab
And then like prior to, he was still like, you know, lighting the world on fire, quarterback four, quarterback two, whatever, whatever, whatever. um So obviously there's some RB questions. um i'm I'm looking at the whole microcosm that is that team, right? So there's some RB questions as is the crowded backfield.
00:15:23
Fab
Left tackle concerns. They traded Joe Thunny to Chicago right now. They don't really have a starter at left tackle at the moment. As we're speaking right now, June 10th, 2025, you know, that could obviously change all that stuff.
00:15:35
Nacc
Didn't they draft one?
00:15:35
Fab
um What? and I'm sorry.
00:15:36
Roger Emeka
Josh Simmons. Yeah, they drafted Josh.
00:15:38
Roger Emeka
they pretty I think they were pretty high on Josh Simmons.
00:15:38
Nacc
They drafted the left tackle.
00:15:40
Fab
Yeah, but it hasn't, from what I've been reading from OTAs and all that stuff, like they haven't really been said as to who it is. Anyway, starting a rookie at left tackle, you know, there's always going to be a little bit of concern in that sense. I think it was a second round pick, but listen, we'll see.
00:15:53
Fab
um wide receiver room. I know Rice, his injury concern is a little bit out there now. It's not really too much of a concern, but you know, Xavier Worthy and all that stuff, another year.
00:16:06
Fab
Tight end, Travis Kelsey. Is he still good? Right? Like, I mean, it's always been the Mahomes and Kelsey so show right now.
00:16:11
Roger Emeka
i don't think so, man.
00:16:11
Fab
Like, is this is this the is this the end of Travis Kelsey?
00:16:13
Roger Emeka
don't think so. yeah Nak, tune it up, man.
00:16:16
Nacc
Guys, he's old.
00:16:17
Roger Emeka
Tune it up.
00:16:18
Nacc
He's old. He's old.
00:16:18
Roger Emeka
Tune it. No.
00:16:19
Nacc
He's not like...
00:16:19
Roger Emeka
No, he's...
00:16:21
Fab
He's...
00:16:22
Nacc
He's...
00:16:23
Roger Emeka
He's done.
00:16:23
Fab
He's, what is he, Nak?
00:16:24
Nacc
Oh, he's done.
00:16:24
Roger Emeka
Jesus.
00:16:25
Nacc
He's done.
00:16:25
Fab
Yeah.
00:16:25
Roger Emeka
He's just saving freaking Brady, dude.
00:16:25
Fab
Wow.
00:16:26
Nacc
He's done. Sorry. i'm Excuse me.
00:16:27
Fab
What took you so long?
00:16:27
Nacc
Yeah, he's he's done.
00:16:28
Roger Emeka
the hell out of here, man.
00:16:29
Nacc
Look, he's easy he's done in the sense that he's not a viable fantasy option anymore, right? Like, he's not... what that viable fan that We know what the tight end position is, but he's he's no longer that top five tight end fantasy option that they have. And again, he's going to have a smaller role...
00:16:46
Nacc
this year again. like He's not going to be able to play all the snaps that he potentially has and in years past. so yeah
00:16:54
Fab
yeah
00:16:54
Nacc
Could be done. Fantasy-wise, done. fantasy fantasy- wise pretty done
00:16:57
Roger Emeka
So Mahomes is a buster saying.
00:16:59
Fab
Well, Mahomes is not for eight for, he's not quarterback seven for me. That's for sure. Not even quarterback eight or nine. Like I much rather go like a Bo Nix or obviously a Baker Mayfield and some type of guys or Dak Prescott, to be honest with you.
00:17:11
Nacc
But you see now we're going into that area where you think Bryce Young could come into the 12. Like you have Bryce Young ahead of Mahomes at the end of the year.
00:17:20
Fab
Mahomes to me is a very low end QB one. For me, he's like QB 11, QB 12.
00:17:26
Roger Emeka
i agree.
00:17:26
Fab
and thats That's where I feel comfortable with him. You know what you're getting with him, and he's going to have some really good games. But do I see him cracking the top five? Absolutely not. Do I see him finishing as even a top eight quarterback?
00:17:40
Fab
I would be surprised. I would be surprised considering what we've seen from him. And I also feel like the identity of the Chiefs has changed a little bit. I feel like it's much more defense first than it is. you know, that backyard quarterback stuff, that backyard football stuff. So that kind of gives me a little bit of pause as to like what the ceiling is for Mahomes this year.
00:17:57
Fab
I think his floor is going to be safe. I think you're getting a very good weekly quarterback one. Well, sorry, I think you're getting a good quarterback one on a week in week out basis. But I think his ceiling is going to be a little bit limited on a on a weekly basis. That's why I love a little bit of caution drafting Pat Mahomes where he is at his current ADP.
Tua's Risk Factors
00:18:15
Nacc
Yeah, I don't know. i think I think there's a revenge tour happening. I think he's really pissed about how it ended last year and how everyone's talking about his numbers being low.
00:18:27
Roger Emeka
Body shaming him.
00:18:29
Nacc
Yeah, he cut his hair too. he had that whole story about why he kept his hair is because he was winning and he didn't want to keep it and now he kind of looks a little bit more normal ah with his hair.
00:18:37
Roger Emeka
i kind of miss his douchey mohawk.
00:18:40
Fab
Yeah, that was ah that was a nice identity for him.
00:18:41
Nacc
Yeah, it was...
00:18:43
Fab
don't...
00:18:43
Nacc
He's ah he's a father now, you know, a father of three.
00:18:43
Fab
Well, he was a father last year, too. He finished QB11.
00:18:47
Nacc
don't know, I know, but now it's like he's got a really, you know, he's older, he's got that older guy mentality. yeah I don't know, I see Revenge Tour coming up this year for Mahomes, but You're right. Like top five, likely, likely not.
00:19:02
Nacc
um But I would say, i would say pretty,
00:19:06
Fab
Honestly, you look at the top five quarterbacks, you look at the five quarterbacks of Allen, Jackson, Daniels, Hurts, Burrow, like I don't see any one of those guys slipping for Mahomes to jump in.
00:19:10
Nacc
no a top five, hundred percent. He won't, they all run. They all run.
00:19:17
Nacc
No, no, I don't, I don't, he has to throw 50 touchdowns for, to get, to get to there.
00:19:20
Fab
Yeah, exactly.
00:19:22
Nacc
So I don't think he will either.
00:19:23
Roger Emeka
it was ah It was a tough watch with him last year sometimes. Fantasy-wise. Fantasy-wise, it was a very tough watch.
00:19:27
Fab
Yeah.
00:19:28
Nacc
Yeah, of course. first
00:19:31
Roger Emeka
um Second bust for U5 at the QB position.
00:19:34
Fab
Second bus is Tua Tagovailoa, the often injured judo champion of Miami-Dade County. um think the I think the party is over for McDonald's income and company.
00:19:47
Fab
um He's being drafted right now as low on QB2, but I'm out on Tua if I can help it, to be honest with you. I think the injury risk and bad play at the end of the last season kind of ruined it for me. i There's a lot of question marks too on that offense from like John O. Smith might get traded and all that. And I think a lot of touchdowns that Tua had last year came because of John O. Smith or vice versa.
00:20:06
Fab
There's a whole thing going on with Tyreek Hill. Is Waddle ever going to make the jump into what we expect him to be? I'm not sure. And I just feel like, you know, like, especially from like, um and I don't want to hate on Miami all that much, but it's a thing when you need players to perform during fantasy football playoffs, right? Which is like week 15, 16, 17, or whatever it is, you know?
00:20:30
Fab
So you have players like Tua and and who typically don't play well in colder climates and don't play well the end of the season.
00:20:41
Fab
when When the temperatures get colder, you can't rely on this. You can't rely on it from a fantasy football perspective. So I just think that kind of nixes me ever drafting Tua apart from my QB3
Comparing Quarterbacks: Rodgers vs. Others
00:20:55
Fab
as a backup.
00:20:55
Nacc
There's lot of injury prone players on that team. I have to say like there's, you know, there's Waddle who's always good to miss a few games.
00:20:58
Fab
It's also that.
00:21:01
Nacc
There's two others always looking to miss a few games.
00:21:04
Fab
Achan misses a few games.
00:21:04
Nacc
HN also gets injured, misses a few games. So I think you're right. I think when it comes down to it, that's the end of the season when you need these players and they're not there for you. Right.
00:21:14
Nacc
So yeah, i don't know. I'm, um I think I'm with you here. I'm i'm i'm down on on Miami offense this year. like it's It could go well at the beginning of the season. It usually does.
00:21:26
Nacc
Warm weather. We play a lot at home in the shade where their opponents are in the dead sun. And, you know, they win games. But the end of the year, your point, we always see them kind of and of crumble a little bit.
00:21:34
Fab
yeah
00:21:39
Nacc
and And, you know, the fantasy players are not there when you need them.
00:21:43
Roger Emeka
Quickly, guys, out of all the four QBs that Fab mentioned, would you would you take Aaron Rodgers, newly signed with the Steelers, over any of them in fantasy?
00:21:57
Fab
I think I would take him over Tua. I think I would take him over Tua.
00:22:03
Nacc
I would probably take him over Tua as well.
00:22:05
Fab
Yeah.
00:22:06
Nacc
Panics and Bryce Young, I think there's just too much promise, and I'm like i'm not taking Mahomes over. I'm not taking Rodgers over Mahomes. I still view Mahomes as a top 8 and top 10 for sure fantasy QB. so and I don't see Rodgers cracking the top 10, even top 12, maybe not even top 15.
00:22:27
Nacc
But Tua,
Breakout Running Backs: Irving and Davis
00:22:28
Nacc
like, again, with the missed time, like, it's the time that you miss, right?
00:22:29
Roger Emeka
Wow.
00:22:33
Roger Emeka
Man, Rodgers was top.
00:22:33
Nacc
i don't know, maybe...
00:22:34
Roger Emeka
He was 15th last year with the Jets, and he like he did turn it on at the end of the year.
00:22:41
Roger Emeka
Similar type of offensive talent to round two.
00:22:41
Nacc
I think he had more... yeah i think he had more... You're right, he had... He had more TDs than Mahomes, I think.
00:22:51
Nacc
Last year.
00:22:51
Roger Emeka
Finished really well. Yeah, Fab. Last point, and then we'll move on to running backs.
00:22:54
Fab
I do have an honorable mention. I don't know if I'm allowed to have three of each, but it is what it is. to but um
00:23:00
Roger Emeka
Just do, sorry.
00:23:01
Fab
Jordan Love. Jordan Love right now going as quarterback 16. I think he's exactly where he needs to be, but I'm not very high on Jordan Love, to be honest with you, next year.
00:23:13
Fab
Just from the fact that last year we expected him to break out. He didn't. Green Bay has a very tough schedule this year and a very tough division. A lot of outdoor games. Whenever there's a lot of outdoor games, they typically lean a lot more on the run game, which is why I'm higher on Josh Jacobs.
00:23:29
Fab
Last year, Josh Jacobs had 301 carries. I can see that being another thing this year too. So yeah, that was just and like in that area of the QB 14, 15, 16, 17 area, i would not try to target Jordan Love if I could.
00:23:42
Fab
I spoke about a few guys earlier up that I'll probably... have a conversation about picking over love. Like you're talking about the the Dax and the Herberts and the Strouds of the world. Actually, they're going around the same time.
00:23:55
Fab
Yeah. Love to me is, i don't I wouldn't feel great about it if he was on my team next year.
00:24:02
Roger Emeka
Yeah, we got to see what he does. What they do at the wide receiver position ah with Golden, they needed to improve that position from externally, but also internally, as we all know.
00:24:07
Fab
Yeah.
00:24:11
Roger Emeka
And just his mechanics, man. like it was Like the the previous year, all the like the back foot, the the off his back foot stuff, like flicking it up was nice to see, but it did not work last year. So still think he's going to have a good career, but I would agree. it's He's more of a, so I need to see it to believe it.
00:24:30
Roger Emeka
um in terms of how I think he'll have ah have like a bounce-back season.
00:24:37
Nacc
Right.
00:24:37
Fab
Yeah, and I feel like in that playoff game versus Dallas a few years ago or two years ago, like that's it. You know, that was his coming out party. We're all super hyped about him and all that stuff and in 2024. And, you know, it just kind of fell flat a little bit, I feel like.
00:24:51
Fab
and
00:24:51
Roger Emeka
Well, he he was amazing against the Niners, and they should have ah they should have beaten the Niners too. um So like even there was the hype was even higher after that, but but yeah, I would agree with you.
00:24:57
Fab
True.
00:25:02
Roger Emeka
um That'll do it for the QBs. NAC, we will go with the running backs now. what do you want to do?
00:25:08
Nacc
Yes.
00:25:08
Roger Emeka
you want to start with the busts or breakout?
00:25:12
Nacc
I'll start with the breakouts. Start with the breakouts.
00:25:14
Roger Emeka
Do it.
00:25:14
Nacc
I did it a little differently. i went um basically the 2024 draft class in their second years. So I'm going to take some of these guys.
00:25:25
Nacc
um I have two for the breakouts. I'll just take my, I'll do one quickly because it's ah kind of ah an obvious one. I know I've been talking about him a lot and it's like the easy pick, basically. um Bucky Irving.
00:25:39
Nacc
I know right now he's ADP is seven running back seven. I know I've been saying that he's pushing for top five and if not top three finish this year coming off, um, almost 1200 yards, eight touchdowns for 47 receptions for another 400 yards, a league high 5.4 yards per carry.
00:25:58
Nacc
And it was the third highest for a rookie with 200 plus carries. Um, Yeah, averaged 5.8 throughout the year um and finished, like I said, ah he finished RB7 last year in his rookie season in PPR leagues.
00:26:15
Nacc
So if it wasn't for, I think it was from weeks 10 to 18, if I'm remembering correctly, he had over 16 points per game in seven and of of eight and it was only snapped when he had that little minor injury.
00:26:30
Nacc
So i'm I'm looking for him to I think they're going to unleash him this year and white takes a massive backseat.
00:26:37
Roger Emeka
So, Nak, what you're saying is by taking a ah player who finished top seven in running back fantasy last year, saying that they're breakout, ah you but you to me, that's basically saying you think he's going to finish top three this year as a rugby.
00:26:50
Nacc
Yep.
00:26:51
Roger Emeka
Okay.
00:26:51
Nacc
Yep. That's, that's where, that's where my head goes.
00:26:53
Roger Emeka
So that's pretty bold, yeah.
00:26:53
Nacc
um Yeah. I just,
00:26:56
Roger Emeka
I don't know if i agree with you. I don't know if i agree with you. Like, I love Bucky Irving too. I don't know if I agree with you necessarily. You'd have to see a fall off from a Saquon or, ah you know, maybe a Derrick Henry or one of Gibbs or Bijan just doesn't live up to it. But I love Bucky Irving. Watching him play is extremely fun.
00:27:14
Nacc
Yes, it was um was. I think I did have him last year. I picked him up.
00:27:19
Roger Emeka
You did.
00:27:20
Nacc
um It was a fun fun little ride that that we had.
00:27:20
Roger Emeka
Yeah, you did.
00:27:21
Fab
yes
00:27:23
Nacc
I think he's, yeah, he's right now he's ADP8.
00:27:25
Roger Emeka
Yeah. Fab?
00:27:26
Nacc
ADP8 behind Henry McCaffrey, Achan, Gentie, Barkley, Gibbs, and Bijan.
00:27:34
Roger Emeka
up
00:27:35
Nacc
But i i still think he has an even better year this year.
00:27:39
Fab
Any concern with the the offensive coordinator now being the head coach of Jacksonville, Liam Cohen?
00:27:45
Nacc
No.
00:27:47
Fab
You don't think there's a possibility of a fall off as opposed to a resurgence and him being pushed all the way up into the top three?
00:27:57
Nacc
No, because you don't forget how to run because of your coordinator, I feel.
00:28:01
Fab
it's not a question of figuring out a run, right It's a question about like offensive schemes and all that stuff.
00:28:05
Roger Emeka
The passing game coordinator was promoted. The passing game coordinator from last year was was promoted to OC.
00:28:12
Nacc
i have no I have no issues because he he did yeah and he had 50 receptions for 400 yards and as a rookie, and he didn't start and at the beginning of the year, right? So maybe that number jumps from 47 to 60, and that passing number jumps from you know just under 4 to maybe 550 or 600.
00:28:34
Nacc
Touchdowns, he had 8. I'm forecasting definitely double-digit touchdowns next year for sure.
00:28:43
Roger Emeka
I think this is the fourth straight year the Bucs have a new OC, and their their offense has basically been a buzzsaw since Baker Mayfield is there. and So they've weathered the storm of new offensive coordinators really well.
00:28:57
Roger Emeka
You had a second breakout, NACA, throwing back position?
00:28:59
Nacc
Yeah, so my my my second breakout is um another running back who was drafted in 2024 by the name of Ray Davis.
00:29:09
Roger Emeka
Ooh.
00:29:10
Fab
Hmm.
00:29:10
Nacc
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:29:11
Roger Emeka
That's spicy.
00:29:11
Nacc
Yeah, we have James Cook, who's who did show up to to minicamp, to everyone's surprise.
00:29:12
Fab
This makes a lot of sense.
00:29:13
Roger Emeka
I like that.
00:29:20
Nacc
I think he was more of a hold-in than um and completely holding out. I guess he didn't want to lose out on... I think it's what, like 30K a day or 15K a day that they lose out on, and he's still on his rookie deal, so no use um so you're losing money.
00:29:35
Fab
Well, he knows he has no leverage.
00:29:36
Nacc
Well,
00:29:39
Fab
He needs to show up to OTAs. It's a smart move. We're not going to jump too much into this, but...
00:29:42
Nacc
well I mean, his leverage is he scored, what, 18 touchdowns last year? Yeah,
00:29:45
Fab
16. He scored 16 touchdowns, which is like 14 more than his average.
00:29:49
Roger Emeka
18, I think he had two receiving.
00:29:50
Fab
I...
00:29:51
Nacc
he had two receiving. He was 18.
00:29:53
Fab
I like James Cook, but... You gotta put your feedback on the planet, my friend. You ain't getting 15 mil a year. Anyways.
00:30:01
Roger Emeka
Ray Davis.
00:30:01
Nacc
well
00:30:02
Nacc
Ray Davis.
00:30:02
Fab
Yep.
00:30:03
Nacc
So he he did quietly have a solid rookie season. Six TDs and nearly 650 yards from scrimmage. And James Cook really didn't solidify himself as like the red zone guy, right? Plus, like Josh Allen takes a lot of of like the red zone kind of away as well. that you You kind of lose a little bit to Josh Allen. But um James Cook didn't play all that much in the in the red zone. It was a lot longer...
00:30:30
Nacc
longer runs that he would he was scoring with, if memory showss me ah serves me right, and short yardage and stuff like that. And ah da Davis was decisive as a runner, and his ability to catch the ball ah gave him a good shot at a bigger role. And I think if Cook underperforms,
00:30:50
Nacc
Doesn't show up or gets injured. Ray Davis, I feel like, is in line for a huge, huge breakout. I think he's, um right now he's ADP 50 for um running backs.
00:31:03
Nacc
So anything happens with with Cook, like he shoots right up the the table and I think he has a good chance to break out this year.
00:31:15
Roger Emeka
I had to fact check you, Nak, but he had 11 red zone touchdowns, Cook. So he he he was, oh yeah.
00:31:20
Nacc
Goal line, goal line. Sorry if I didn't mean to say I meant like goal goal line.
00:31:23
Roger Emeka
So it, Got it. Yeah, yeah. But that's fair because hes he's the type that will break a longer run in in the red zone. Ray Davis had monster game Monday Night Football against the Jets.
00:31:34
Roger Emeka
I think we all remember that because we were recording during that game.
00:31:35
Fab
Yes.
00:31:37
Nacc
Yeah.
00:31:38
Roger Emeka
had a really big big run, and he also had three catches for 55
Potential Busts in the Backfield
00:31:43
Roger Emeka
I own Cook throughout most of the year last year, so I kind of felt like i had to own Ray Davis, and he was in the mix quite a bit. So I personally love this pick as well.
00:31:54
Roger Emeka
Even if Cook ends up showing up, which he probably will, or it gets res re-signed, I think Davis can really sneak into a potential flex play. So I fully agree with you, Nak. I think this is a great call.
00:32:07
Roger Emeka
Who do you have as your busts at the running back position?
00:32:07
Nacc
Yep.
00:32:10
Nacc
So my bust once again is also a running back who was drafted in 2024. This one in the fifth round, it is Tyrone Tracy Jr. So although he was really, he was ranked as an elite explosive with elite explosive runs that he missed, um, and missed tackle rate.
00:32:32
Nacc
However, he did lose five fumbles last year, which is,
00:32:33
Fab
Mm-hmm.
00:32:36
Nacc
very costly. i think that was third among all running backs last year. And he obviously didn't start this, the, um, the season and they did draft a guy by the name of cam Scadabo in the fourth round, who's definitely going to threaten for, um, for some target share.
00:32:54
Nacc
And there's also a very huge committee concern with single Terry still being on the roster. Now, no guarantees, I guess he's there outside of camp, but um I guess, look, it is also OTAs, but he has been seeing the first team reps, Singletary, that is.
00:33:12
Nacc
So, um again, there's a bit of a concern, currently going ADP 32 among running backs, so I feel that's a touch high, and with Scadabo entering the fold, I think he could finish out of the top 40.
00:33:28
Fab
Yeah. ah No, I agree. Listen, it's going to turn into a muddy backfield now. And they drafted Cam with the expectation that they're going to play him and they're probably going to have you know they're probably going to go back to that running game of old, right? Where they had Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw, where you know, where you have guys that have different skill sets but can still be super effective in that backfield. I think that's what they want to get to.
00:33:28
Roger Emeka
yeah what do you think?
00:33:52
Fab
Giants, obviously, and obviously I've been reading a lot about it, but they definitely want to have more of an identity this year than they had in years past. I think Cam adds to that because the guy just runs over everybody.
00:34:04
Fab
So I,
00:34:04
Nacc
I think the identity identity is going to be Moonballs, no?
00:34:07
Fab
yeah, well, potentially,
00:34:08
Roger Emeka
Oh, God. Kill me.
00:34:10
Fab
As long as it's wins, I don't care. Anyways. um
00:34:13
Roger Emeka
Yeah, anyways, good.
00:34:14
Fab
No, I don't.
00:34:15
Roger Emeka
Let's not start.
00:34:16
Fab
ah Yeah. Tyrone Tracy going as a 32. I think you said, NAC, that, that is very rich.
00:34:20
Nacc
Yeah.
00:34:22
Fab
I would agree.
00:34:24
Fab
We're,
00:34:24
Nacc
32, that's, he's going, um he's going before Travis Etienne, Najee Harris, Javante Williams, Ramondre Stevenson.
00:34:35
Nacc
There's also Tajay Spears, Rashad White. Obviously he's going before Skadabo.
00:34:40
Fab
Yeah, it is.
00:34:40
Nacc
Eckler, Rico Dowdle. Also a guy, Ray Davis, we just spoke about.
00:34:43
Roger Emeka
well
00:34:45
Nacc
So who's at 50. So there's, there's quite a few guys.
00:34:49
Roger Emeka
That's a murderer's row. Awful.
00:34:50
Nacc
He's, Yeah, he's going he's going just below.
00:34:51
Fab
yeah it is
00:34:52
Roger Emeka
ah
00:34:54
Nacc
Like, Bryan Robinson's going before him, Warren, Caleb Johnson, and Quinshawn Judkins going right before him.
00:35:04
Fab
Yeah, you definitely got to move him down a few pegs. I agree. I wouldn't take him at that spot. But it's going be something to watch, though.
00:35:08
Nacc
I see Scatterbowl.
00:35:09
Fab
he he'll He'll probably be able to give you some weekly RB3 numbers if it breaks right. But you can you can't rely on him, that's for sure.
00:35:20
Nacc
I feel like Scadabo takes over at the goal line. Like he's going to vulture a lot of TDs like in red zone and and and goal line.
00:35:23
Fab
It's possible. Yeah.
00:35:27
Fab
Yeah.
00:35:28
Roger Emeka
Guys, Skydabo had 45 catches at ASU last year. Like, he could take over at third down.
00:35:31
Fab
Yeah, he's no slouch man in the passing game.
00:35:34
Nacc
Plus, they might value him more, right? They invested a fourth round pick in him. Like what does that tell you? That you got a running back last year in the fifth. He played decent. He had just under 1,000 yards, I think 800-something yards.
00:35:46
Nacc
He five touchdowns. Look, again, it's the five fumbles that really stand out. And then they go ahead the next year and use a fourth-round pick on a running back. So and me, it tells me that they really like Scadabo. And look, it's either going to be a messy committee, and i don't I don't know. I don't see it kind of – I don't see him – I don't think that – I think 32 is just too rich for me at this at this point.
00:36:11
Fab
I agree.
00:36:13
Nacc
And then just quickly, special special mention bust is going to be Audrick Estime, RIP today with the signing of J.K.
00:36:16
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:36:20
Fab
Yeah.
00:36:23
Nacc
Dobbins, who everyone are now saying that he might push R.J. Harvey for the starter at the beginning of the year. um But Harvey is going to see a lot of the ball, and I think that's that spells the end of Mr. Audrick Estime in and Denver, in my opinion. and
00:36:41
Roger Emeka
Nak, just do you have a quick word on Nick Chubb, Nick Chubb to Houston while we're on the running backs?
00:36:46
Nacc
Nick Chubb to Houston, another running back ah committee, another another situation that's most likely to avoid in 2025. um Again, I didn't like Mixon last year. wasn't i he started off really well and then really, really tailed off.
00:37:01
Nacc
So running back again, getting a year older, tailed off. ru Chubb coming back from an injury. Now you've got two guys who like you're not sure about. Chubb is not going to see any passing down work. So you figure that he's probably going to get to see some more early, like the early down stuff, just like he did in Cleveland, first and second down. And then you'll have,
00:37:23
Nacc
Then you'll have Mixon on third down maybe. There's Pierce that's still there. I know they don't they're not really high on him anymore, but
00:37:28
Fab
Yeah.
Breakout Wide Receivers and Tight Ends
00:37:29
Nacc
it's it's ah it's a backfield that's just it's it's just that there's a lot in there.
00:37:29
Roger Emeka
Nah, yeah.
00:37:33
Nacc
But again, we've been talking about this. We've been seeing this more and more on how teams are going that two running back ah system. So getting one of those guys, those those three three down backs or those workhorse backs is going to be a real plus because you're going to get stuck with these backfields that are splitting a lot.
00:37:53
Roger Emeka
Yeah, Mixon started so strong last year and then he really tailed off.
00:37:55
Fab
yeah
00:37:56
Roger Emeka
And you're I think you're starting to see age age wear wear on him.
00:37:56
Nacc
Yep.
00:37:58
Roger Emeka
So it's to your point, I think it's the it was the right call to sign Chubb and spell him a little bit. so um I'll move on to the breakouts and busts for wide receivers. So I'll try to do this a little bit quickly. So ah first wide receiver breakout I have is Josh Downs.
00:38:16
Roger Emeka
So in seven games with Anthony Richardson, he averaged six targets, three receptions, 48 yards, and 10 fantasy points per game. In seven games with Flacco, he averaged 10 targets, seven receptions, 66 yards, and 15.5 points per game.
00:38:35
Roger Emeka
So if you extra extrapolated his numbers with Flacco to a 17-game season, he'd put 121 catches, 1,100 yards, and five TDs, which should have made him WR3. I'm a big fan of his talent.
00:38:49
Roger Emeka
Say what you will about Daniel Jones. He's a way more capable passer than Anthony Richardson. He still somehow was able to sustain Malik Nabors pretty decently through the first portion of last year. Yes, Malik Nabors is amazing.
00:39:05
Roger Emeka
absolute like WR1. I'm not saying Josh Downs is that, but Downs is ah a three-level wide receiver. He could run a full route tree, has really solid hands. And 400 yards after catch after catch and 40 first downs. That both led the team.
00:39:21
Roger Emeka
And I think the last thing I'll say is that Michael Pittman is still there. i think they're down on him. He has an out after this season with a $5 million dollar cap hit.
00:39:33
Roger Emeka
Had a really down year in 2024. I think the Tyler Warren draft actually helps someone like Josh Downs, who's not just a deep threat, but also can be a deep threat, but also can be an underneath threat.
00:39:46
Roger Emeka
um So I really like Josh Downs as ah as a potential breakout for next year.
00:39:51
Nacc
And just question for you quickly.
00:39:53
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:39:54
Nacc
I'm looking at it right now. He's ranked 43 in the wide receivers. Just above him, you have Juwan Jennings, Brandon Ayuk, Stefan Diggs, Jacoby Myers, and Khalil Shakir.
00:40:06
Nacc
Are you taking any of those? Are you taking downs ahead of any of those guys?
00:40:12
Roger Emeka
um Ayuk scares me like crazy because of the ACL.
00:40:13
Fab
You're not going to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:40:17
Roger Emeka
ah Shakir to me, Shakir is one of those wide receiver core. It's a different guy every every week. And I think Keon Coleman, I i would think where they drafted Keon Coleman, they they want him to become the guy. And they just also just signed Josh Palmer.
00:40:31
Roger Emeka
um joan jennings is the one that would be tough for me like i know if fab is a big joan jennings fan i am as well i actually thought of putting joan jennings uh instead of josh downs because i think he's gonna be the niners wr1 so i'd have a hard time between jennings and and downs that i would i would have to say but for sure over shakir for sure over uh i i wouldn't i wouldn't touch sorry
00:40:37
Fab
yeah
00:40:44
Fab
Yeah, I agree. I...
00:40:52
Nacc
Diggs, Myers.
00:40:54
Nacc
Diggs and Myers as well.
00:40:57
Roger Emeka
uh myers myers and and downs are very even i like downs a little bit more because he just has a bit more juice than myers digs man like i don't know man like there's a lot happening with digs now like
00:41:13
Fab
but when you're getting into that wide receiver four category, which is kind of where we are, I would take a flyer on downs over digs. um Just like the fact of just prefer his role in the offense.
00:41:26
Fab
um I know digs is a fantastic wide receiver, but obviously he's coming off that ACL sprain or tear or whatever it was. And the whole ridiculousness that occurs in the off season, I would be very hard pressed to take downs over Myers.
00:41:34
Roger Emeka
Pink Substance.
00:41:40
Fab
I'll be honest. ah Jacoby Myers to me is, is your perfect wide receiver three week in and week out. So I would, I would definitely want to keep Myers there above Shakir is where it gets interesting.
00:41:48
Nacc
Amen.
00:41:52
Fab
um i like downs a lot. I really, really do. um He just needs competent quarterback play. And that goes for both Richardson and Daniel Jones.
00:42:04
Fab
I'm, um I don't know what kind of an offensive line they're going have in Indianapolis. I know I think their guard play was a lot better than anything they have with the Giants because typically from what I remember that in the the Colts' offensive line, their guards are very good.
00:42:18
Fab
But it's it's hard to hard to rely on that.
00:42:18
Roger Emeka
Yep, Quentin Nelson.
00:42:21
Nacc
I don't know.
00:42:24
Nacc
Diggs is the number one target there, right, Ben? Is your wide receiver four? I would take that all day long, I feel.
00:42:29
Fab
It's Kyle Williams, man. Everyone's been talking about him.
00:42:31
Roger Emeka
i Guys, I just need a break from Diggs.
00:42:31
Fab
I don't know if he's the number one.
00:42:32
Roger Emeka
like um'm then I'm going to be honest. like I've had Diggs.
00:42:34
Fab
I don't know if Diggs is number one there.
00:42:35
Roger Emeka
I just need a break from him. I'm not drafting Diggs. I need a break. um Anthony Richardson, I think it's a shoulder injury. He's going to miss all of Not good.
00:42:44
Fab
Yep.
00:42:48
Fab
And it begins.
00:42:48
Nacc
you mike he might He may miss some of training camp.
00:42:49
Fab
Yes.
00:42:51
Nacc
They're saying he they hope the whole the hope is, oh, yeah, of course, he needs these reps, man. like this if If there's anyone who needs these reps, it's him.
00:42:56
Roger Emeka
That's what they're saying McAfee. Yeah. That's what they're saying McAfee. Exactly.
00:42:59
Nacc
Yeah, he said the exact same thing. like this guy needs this This guy is the one who needs the reps.
00:43:01
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:43:03
Fab
What? um It's gonna be like, imagine, imagine he's injured for the majority of the season. And it's a third year in a row that you, that this guy has just not seen a single lick of any football. just ridiculous.
00:43:03
Nacc
like he's That's what he's been missing his whole life, right?
00:43:14
Fab
Like it's,
00:43:15
Roger Emeka
Yeah. It was honestly like, again, say what you about gent Daniel Jones. It was a fantastic signing. You're getting a starter quality player so to come in.
00:43:23
Fab
it was a very smart signing.
00:43:23
Nacc
The Colts are better with Daniel Jones starting than Anthony Richardson because he does bring he does bring that rushing upside as well.
00:43:26
Roger Emeka
Yeah. Yeah, totally. Totally. Quick honor...
00:43:30
Fab
I'm so happy this podcast is being recorded.
00:43:35
Nacc
Better than someone doesn't mean he's good.
00:43:35
Roger Emeka
but's but's not let's know let's not go there. like you were he He was your savior, dude. um Honorable, just honor move on.
00:43:42
Fab
Whoa. I always root for my quarterback and my team.
00:43:45
Roger Emeka
move we moveot Let's move on. Honorable mention for me for the breakout, ah Jordan adders Addison, Cedric Tillman, and Mr. Swole himself, Marvin Harrison Jr.
00:43:56
Roger Emeka
Let's see.
00:43:57
Nacc
Wow, you're on board with Marvin Harrison this year.
00:43:57
Fab
He's swollen.
00:43:57
Roger Emeka
That's, well, like, at a realistic ranking, 20th for what, like, this is this makes sense.
00:43:59
Nacc
Tyler Murray. No.
00:44:04
Roger Emeka
Not ah the madness that ensued last year, like, eighth wide receiver. i don't know if, like, it's a little bit too much girth. Girth.
00:44:13
Fab
Wow.
00:44:14
Roger Emeka
It's a little bit too much girth and muscle mass at, you guys remember David Boston?
00:44:14
Fab
Pause. Pause.
00:44:18
Nacc
kyler murray
00:44:20
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:44:22
Nacc
no
00:44:23
Fab
No.
00:44:25
Roger Emeka
Google David Boston with the Chargers. He looked like he was on steroids.
00:44:31
Nacc
Well, Kyler Murray thought he was, it was AI when he, when he saw him.
00:44:32
Roger Emeka
no Yeah, like no wide receive no wider receiver should be that muscular.
00:44:35
Fab
Really?
00:44:36
Nacc
Yeah. He's like, i's yeah, yeah.
00:44:37
Fab
That's hilarious.
00:44:37
Roger Emeka
Like he's even he's bigger than DK Metcalf.
00:44:38
Nacc
He's wow. DK Metcalf is, is pretty swole. Hmm.
00:44:41
Roger Emeka
Yeah, like...
00:44:41
Fab
Yeah, DKMekin has like a 2% body fat on him. It's not it's it's not sustainable.
00:44:45
Roger Emeka
and And Harrison looked pretty stiff last year, I'd have to say.
00:44:48
Nacc
Hmm.
00:44:48
Roger Emeka
Anyways...
00:44:49
Fab
True.
00:44:49
Roger Emeka
um This might be a controversial pick for my bust at wide receiver. going to go with T Higgins. um So just got paid coming off a contract year, got paid.
00:45:01
Fab
Interesting.
00:45:04
Roger Emeka
He's missed five games in each of the past two seasons. I've been saying on this pod that the Bengals defense will get better. Now they're making me look bad with what they're doing at Trey Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart, but I'm basing that
00:45:16
Nacc
Oh, they just, why did they release that linebacker? Why did they release Stewart?
00:45:20
Roger Emeka
ah Yeah, Jermaine...
00:45:21
Nacc
I know, sorry, no, not Stewart. Stewart was their their their their first round pick.
00:45:24
Roger Emeka
But Jermaine Pratt, that's a good point.
00:45:24
Nacc
um Jermaine Pratt, yeah.
00:45:25
Roger Emeka
I don't know why they released Jermaine Pratt. What to do with Shamar Stewart is ridiculous. Like, these clauses, that doesn't make sense. I'm basing that...
00:45:31
Fab
Yeah, did you see that on McAfee? Did you see what the clause was?
00:45:33
Roger Emeka
Yeah. It's for drug-related stuff. like And it's a clause that no one... did like I think it's a new agent.
00:45:39
Fab
No, it's it's if he's injured, is if he's injured in one season and he misses like a majority of the games, all of his guaranteed money is void.
00:45:40
Nacc
There's no other team that does it.
00:45:48
Fab
Whereas before, it was if he's injured in in in, like if he misses a majority of one season, they void the guaranteed money for that season.
00:45:48
Roger Emeka
But...
00:45:56
Fab
Whereas now, yeah it's ridiculous.
00:45:57
Roger Emeka
They're nuts. it's It's a crazy team with drugs.
00:45:59
Fab
And like,
00:45:59
Nacc
But there's also something to do with like prorating and and like um like paying him later, like later on, paying him later
High Expectations for Brown and Harrison Jr.?
00:46:07
Fab
Yeah.
00:46:07
Nacc
rather than sooner or something.
00:46:08
Nacc
Like it's it's a it's a
00:46:09
Fab
They're fumbling the bag like 100%.
00:46:10
Nacc
It's a mess.
00:46:11
Fab
If you're a defensive end, like don't go to Cincinnati.
00:46:11
Nacc
It's a complete mess.
00:46:13
Roger Emeka
They need new ownership. Like, is it still? It's Paul Brown's ah daughter, I believe.
00:46:17
Nacc
it's They're just they just very cheap.
00:46:19
Roger Emeka
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's too much.
00:46:20
Nacc
They've been cheap and they will continue to be cheap.
00:46:22
Roger Emeka
um So back back to Tee Higgins. So part of my argument was that the defense will be better with new DC, Al Golden, who came from Notre Dame. Notre Dame had like a top five defense in college.
00:46:34
Roger Emeka
Part of my argument was that the defense will be much better. So Joe Burrow is not going to be coming back. like he was last year He's not going to have to have like 400 passing yards every single game.
00:46:46
Roger Emeka
um But ranked on yeah ESPN consensus 11th wide receiver in PPR, yet he's never finished higher than seventeen
00:46:56
Fab
Mm-hmm.
00:46:58
Roger Emeka
So 2020, he was 28th, 2021, he was 2022 is 19, 2023, he was 51st. twenty twenty one he was twenty fourth twenty twenty two is nineteen twenty twenty three he was fifty first And last year was his best season, as mentioned,
00:47:11
Roger Emeka
so eleventh wide receiver to me is like base it's a borderline w r one and jamar chase is still there like So I like the player. i'd rather take him out out of value, but to take him basically in the like what we're saying is potentially first round, high, so like, you know, high second, crazy to me.
00:47:33
Nacc
Yeah, Fantasy Pro has him as ranked as 13. thirteen
00:47:37
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:47:37
Roger Emeka
Like, yeah.
00:47:37
Nacc
and and And I still think that's too high.
00:47:37
Fab
Yeah. Yeah, and he's he's ranked he's ranked before like Devontae Adams, who I don't know why people aren't talking about him more, right?
00:47:40
Nacc
With Chase,
00:47:45
Fab
I mean, i think Adams is going to have another fantastic year with a great quarterback play. um No, I agree, Raj. I mean, T Higgins, it's a little bit too rich for my blood that high.
00:47:56
Fab
Again, not necessarily a bust, but definitely you're not go to be getting your value back for where he's going as far as draft is concerned.
00:48:02
Nacc
And he's injury prone. He's going to get injured again.
00:48:03
Roger Emeka
Well, that's the thing. if if he misses if he does If he plays 12 games like he does, that's a bust to me.
00:48:05
Fab
Yep.
00:48:09
Roger Emeka
like Yeah, you're going to be happy with that 140-yard game like he had against Denver.
00:48:09
Fab
Yeah, no, for sure.
00:48:14
Roger Emeka
like you know
00:48:16
Nacc
Two touchdowns.
00:48:16
Roger Emeka
that's helped That helps you for one week, but it doesn't help you throughout the season. Honorable mentions, I had AJ Brown. as an honorable mention, um like it was it was a tough watch last year.
00:48:26
Fab
Mmm.
00:48:33
Roger Emeka
And I think they prioritized the run. And a you know TBD on the relationship with Jalen Hurts. And as much as we we liked him and we talked about him in the ranking show, I feel the Ladd McConkie stuff is like is going a bit too much.
00:48:46
Roger Emeka
like even I don't know if I'd take him WR1 either, and he's being talked about as WR1.
00:48:51
Nacc
eleven 11. Fantasy Pro is 11.
00:48:53
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:48:53
Nacc
That was really shocking.
00:48:53
Roger Emeka
Yeah. yeah
00:48:55
Fab
that that That's right in line for me, my friend. Let me tell you. um I see 11 is perfect for Matt McConkie. Perfect.
00:49:03
Roger Emeka
He has to have an Amon Ross St. Brown season.
00:49:05
Nacc
He's going ahead of JSN, T.
00:49:05
Fab
And i think that's I think that is possible.
00:49:08
Nacc
Higgins, Garrett Wilson, Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Terry McLaurin, Devontae Adams.
00:49:11
Fab
So would you take JSN over Matt McConkie with Sam Darnold throwing to him?
00:49:18
Nacc
Yeah, like I think I would.
00:49:21
Roger Emeka
That's a
00:49:23
Nacc
but why do we why
00:49:23
Fab
and Don't forget, Cooper Cup is there.
00:49:24
Fab
I'm not saying Cooper Cup is going to be like.
00:49:24
Nacc
but why are we seeing Why are we saying why we seem so like ah was Sam Darnold throwing to him?
00:49:25
Roger Emeka
I just think I would not.
00:49:29
Nacc
like Sam Darnold, he looked good last year throwing the ball.
00:49:32
Fab
Yeah, he looked good up until like the last three weeks of the season. And then the old Sam Darnold came around.
00:49:37
Roger Emeka
He's getting he's getting a worse off the line.
00:49:37
Fab
And if you look at the contract that Seattle gave him, it's not exactly indicative of a lot of confidence either.
00:49:42
Roger Emeka
He's getting worse off the line.
00:49:42
Fab
Basically a one year contract.
00:49:46
Nacc
Okay.
00:49:48
Roger Emeka
I think the running back class this year is really strong. It's more of a, like, I'm probably just taking a running back over Ladin McConkie or, like, some of the wide receivers at that range.
00:50:01
Roger Emeka
like like a jo Like a Josh Jacobs, you know, Jonathan you know jonathan Taylor, Chase Brown, Derrick Henry, like, those guys are going to be all in that range.
00:50:02
Nacc
yeah he's like i Yeah, I would agree there too.
00:50:13
Roger Emeka
But, like, again, not fa Fab, like, he has to have, like, a massive, like, again, Amon Ross St. Brown type season. I
Conclusion and Host Banter
00:50:19
Roger Emeka
don't know if that's the case yet.
00:50:20
Fab
Last year, he finished wide receiver 13. Like,
00:50:26
Fab
like I'm not saying he's going to catapult himself into top five, but to go up a few spots is not crazy.
00:50:35
Roger Emeka
Yeah. We'll see with the addition of – yeah.
00:50:35
Fab
Anyway, that's my opinion. Listen, that's why we're three people in the podcast, and typically you guys never agree with me, and that's fine.
00:50:38
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:50:40
Fab
It's to your own detriment, clearly. But...
00:50:42
Roger Emeka
Well, it's more, again, in addition to Mike william mike Williams' back, Trey Turner, Trey Harris, sorry, Trey Harris.
00:50:42
Fab
Oh,
00:50:46
Fab
okay. All right.
00:50:50
Fab
Trey Harris. Trey Harris, I'll give you. That's interesting to me, but I think that just opens up the offense more though, in my opinion.
00:50:54
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:50:55
Fab
I think it just allows for more because and Quentin Johnson or Mike Williams, or sorry, um I might, yeah, m A or B, whatever. They don't really, they're not, they're not the guys.
00:51:06
Fab
They're not there. They're just depth players. And I think that's why they went out and got an inter-drafted for Trey Harris and with the Meyer Hampton.
00:51:12
Nacc
It's crazy.
00:51:12
Fab
I don't know. I just, I'm a little bit more excited, I suppose.
00:51:13
Nacc
I'm looking at his fantasy points last year and like, how the heck did he finish 13th? That's some solid games, but there was a lot of duds there too.
00:51:27
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:51:27
Nacc
3.6, 5.9, His 6.3, end 7.1, of 6.2, the 8.9. year was very solid.
00:51:27
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:51:28
Nacc
had double digits in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 straight to end the year.
00:51:28
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:51:32
Roger Emeka
We had him in, we had him,
00:51:33
Nacc
end of the his his end of the year was was very solid you had double digits in one two three four five six seven straight to end the year
00:51:41
Fab
Yeah, I think that that's a little bit more indicative of how that could translate into next year too, right? least it would hope.
00:51:46
Roger Emeka
We had him in love and hate, I think, a lot, both of them equally last year.
00:51:50
Fab
A lot. We did. Yeah, we did.
00:51:51
Roger Emeka
we we over We overdid it with him. um Ladies and gentlemen, that'll be it for today's episode. ah Please, as always, follow us on social media, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok. Follow us on Spotify, YouTube, and Apple Podcasts. We'll be back again in a couple of weeks with more off-season fantasy news.
00:52:16
Roger Emeka
and notes and analysis to prep you for a draft season. On behalf of Fab and Knack, I am Raj, and we will see you next time.
00:52:31
Fab
I'm about the bust.
00:52:34
Fab
Whenever we said bust, that's all I was thinking in my head.
00:52:34
Nacc
Hold on.
00:52:36
Nacc
I just got to get my credit card here. Fast, fast. And purchase Aaron Rodgers number eight jersey. Here it comes.
00:52:45
Fab
Oh my God.
00:52:45
Roger Emeka
Seriously?
00:52:45
Nacc
Yes. I'm definitely getting one. Come on.
00:52:48
Fab
I mean, I, yeah, I, I don't blame that for wanting to get an Aaron Rogers Jersey.
00:52:48
Nacc
Future Hall of Famer. Like, why would you not get one? You have to get one.
00:52:52
Fab
I can't really say that to a woman.
00:52:52
Roger Emeka
Hey, he's he's he got married. Good for him.
00:52:54
Nacc
Yeah, he did. It's been two months.
00:52:55
Roger Emeka
Good for him.
00:52:58
Nacc
What? He's gay now?
00:53:03
Roger Emeka
Goodbye.
00:53:04
Fab
Bye everyone. Thank you.
00:53:06
Nacc
Goodbye.