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37: You've Turned Against Me, Monster
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🚴♀️ This week’s new cards are all about move, but were the cohosts?!! *dun dun dun* 🥁
For our esteemed listeners’ consideration:
- Weeks in Snap (Pack)s 🎉🥂
- 🦶 Hydra Stomper 💎 Topaz 🦇🪨🦘 Batroc the Leaper 🪭 Fan Fei
- Are the datamined cards Fantasticar or just First Steps? 🤔
- May Card Rankings 👎👎👍👍
- Secret Homework: 🎶🎧🎶 VGM **limit one rec per cohost
Featured music:
- Wizard of Loneliness - Divine Beats
- Wizard of Loneliness - Nü Horizons
- Wizard of Loneliness - X
- Sword & Sworcery LP: The Ballad of the Space Babies
- The Scythian Steppes
- FINAL FANTASY X Original Soundtrack
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Credits:
- Cover art by Lauren
- Snap On This!! Theme by Ben
- YouTube thumbnail by Lauren’s kid, Reggi
Timestamps:
- 0:00:00 Intro / Our Week in Snap (Packs)
- 0:20:48 Hydra Stomper
- 0:32:54 Tournament Announcement
- 0:38:44 Patch Discussion
- 1:05:49 May Card Ratings
- 1:29:20 Secret Homework: Video Game Music
- 1:41:37 Next Week's Secret Homework
- 1:42:53 Housekeeping / Closing Remarks
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Transcript
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello, and
Introduction and Weekly Updates
00:00:02
Speaker
welcome to episode 37 of Snap on This, a Marvel Snap podcast. I'm your host, Lauren Whatevs. Odd-numbered episode, we'll throw it to co-host Rie first.
00:00:12
Speaker
Rie, how was your week in Snap? And keep it snappy. um Okay, I've been bit under the weather this week.
00:00:24
Speaker
um And so this is like a skip-ahead moment, like, probably two minutes, if you're not here for my shenanigans that are not Snap-related. But um I have been working, I've made now actually several more what I call my anxiety gurumi, because sometimes i need to ah trap my brain like the stray animal it is.
00:00:49
Speaker
And i had, okay, so, and I have to work on projects within in the confines of the yarn I have, because yarn is expensive. and all that.
Crafting and Creativity: Crochet Adventures
00:00:57
Speaker
So I was working on what I had left from the Biflag. This is what is like the remainder of the skin of like the bear and this project which is my latest project i admit because I wanted to make I wanted to make a Cthulhu and I didn't have a dark green so I've made Bifulu!
00:01:18
Speaker
Right? Bye Lulu! He's like, when he gets summoned, everyone gets 10% gayer and there's world peace. It's the fascist's worst nightmare and yet what they long for late at night when they're writing in their journals.
00:01:34
Speaker
Things knocking at the door. I don't think a level of self-reflection is what they're known for. I wanted to make like, yeah, I wanted his eyes to be heart buttons and I didn't have any. So I made some.
00:01:46
Speaker
You made heart buttons. Incredible. Also, I did like some neck enhancement plastic surgery because his neck was too skinny. I don't know if you know this about
Challenges and Triumphs in Marvel Snap
00:01:56
Speaker
Cthulhu culture, but ah two skinny necks are considered unattractive. You gotta have a big greasy neck, you know, for Cthulhu society.
00:02:05
Speaker
So no judgments on his plastic surgery, but I did... Give him a little neck collar to help him out. um Skinny neck. All right. So anyway, that was, you know, sometimes we have weeks like that.
00:02:19
Speaker
And then at the end of the week, though, yesterday was snap hacks, like, which finally turned things around for me. It's been a bad week of, like, I've had more losses um recently than usual. And I'm like so far behind. This is the first like month I haven't gotten infinite yet. And it's like the last week because i just haven't. It's just been a mess of snap month for me. That's very unlike you.
00:02:48
Speaker
Right. have so much stuff ahead of me. i have to get like the Negasonic Conquest variant, even though it's not as good as my Flaviano. Why do I have to? I don't know. Yeah, I also don't know.
00:02:59
Speaker
that's a good Okay. But Snap Packs. Okay. This was a big, I think of it now as W Day for second dinner, because this is the first time i ah season passed by every single month since the public release of the game,
00:03:17
Speaker
It got collection complete for the first time. And not just that I like slide in, you know, to like a one card, like most people's experience getting collection complete. got eight new cards in one day, right?
00:03:30
Speaker
Like I bought everything. I went wild in the token shop. I got every single new card can get. And remember how never, never once in spotlights did I ever roll a card instead of tokens. Mm-hmm.
00:03:43
Speaker
I got Hydra Stomper when I was rolling for, um it was like ah a series. The Series four and Seasonal 4 pack. Yeah, seasonal. Oh, that's high I Hydra Stomper.
00:03:55
Speaker
<unk> Hells yeah! So like, that was it. And to celebrate being collection complete, and because Batrack the Leaper is out, I bought what I had been for months and months and months. Not because it is an ultimate that would be anywhere near the top of my list of ultimates to get.
00:04:14
Speaker
um Looking at you, fantasy, and ultimate variants are pretty hot. but um yeah
Deck Building and Card Strategies
00:04:19
Speaker
Arrowbride, which is the last thing I needed and for the Rian Gonzalez album to get Noodle Silk. It was like a big you know is a big getting stuff and snap day for me.
00:04:35
Speaker
um Now i have Noodle Silk. I'm very excited to hear what Ben has done with all the fucking move cards that came out. that I get to play Silk again because you can move your own so much.
00:04:47
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And then Batroc follows her around, which is kind of creepy when you think about It's like, dude, she said no. You're going to just keep going wherever she goes. But like um but he tries once every turn. It's like, give it up, man. Okay.
00:05:01
Speaker
So um ah that is a lot of fun already. like This is already more fun than if had to move in like a really long time. that's awesome. and Yeah. So um I am hyped to hear.
00:05:20
Speaker
Yeah. How it all went for you. Snap Hacks Day. We've kind of like not been around. So I don't know if you all have been talking about it. How did it go? boy How was it? Yeah.
00:05:36
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door I know. I was going to pass the whole week over to you. But then I was like, oh, this is just restarting. I don't know that she's passing the whole week. No, I'm good. have a lot to cover today.
00:05:48
Speaker
How were Snap Packs and how was your week in Snap? ah The weekend snap was okay before snap packs. I was really just like trying to get back in, sort of like, see what kind of decks do people like to play right now? Because, you know, i hadn't been playing a whole ton. And when I was playing on the climb up, it was just so many bots. It really did not give me a good picture of ah where humanity was, or at least the snap playing segment of it.
00:06:15
Speaker
So that was that was nice. i saw that I saw the decks people liked. They're, you know... I was playing like surfer things and some scream things and just, you know, probing for probing for weaknesses and stuff. Just, just seeing what, what felt right. And that was all fine.
00:06:34
Speaker
But then snap packs rolled around and things got a lot more interesting and exciting. And, uh,
00:06:42
Speaker
Well, you may be wondering, how did i guess that it was a Series 4 pack that would ah would have given the recent Series 5 card?
00:06:53
Speaker
ah It's because the same thing happened to me. I've been trying to avoid Infinity Ultron like the goddamn plague, but they forced them into my hands. i i was like, well...
00:07:05
Speaker
I will first open my Seasonal Series 4s before I go for Hydra Stomper. And sure enough, the second one, they throw Infinity Ultron at me as a little bonus. I can't really complain because this did mean I was able to spend only 5,000 tokens to get Hydra Stomper. So even if I never play Infinity Ultron, it did...
00:07:24
Speaker
It was a thousand tokens off Hydra Stomper. So that was cool. So after that happened, i was like, well, there's a one in three chance I can get the two cards that aren't Emperor Hulkling from the older series five packs.
00:07:40
Speaker
And then i could be complexion i could I could be collection complete except for Emperor Hulkling. And that would be pretty cool, right? That sounds like the best possible outcome. Yeah, exactly. i mean...
00:07:52
Speaker
It didn't work out. I did open Emperor Hulkling. i He's there. He's in the collection. He's looking at me, daring me to do something.
00:08:03
Speaker
He'll be waiting a long time. um No, didn't we have an agreement that if you ever get Emperor Hulkling, you're going to play a deck with him? I don't think I would agree to that. thought that was you, Lauren. That sounds like something you would say, not something I would say. Anywho,
00:08:20
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but you know what I would play? would play all four of these new move cards. That's what I would play. Oh, wow. They're all so cool. I have to say the one that I am the least a fan of, that I am rooting for the least, is Batroc the Leaper because he's just a little, you know, come on.
00:08:35
Speaker
Come on, guys. I just, I don't know. Like he's this is a ah non-interactive nebula kind of situation. just just gets bigger every turn no matter what. Are you against the funnest card of the new releases?
00:08:50
Speaker
No, I'm playing him. I'm playing him. I love him. I just i think that he's like a little, you know, he's a little much. he He's a little much, that's all. You know who's not a little much, though? Fanfei.
00:09:01
Speaker
Fanfei's great. Also, probably, like, the best activate card since... Well, the best activate card other than Bullseye. ah Like, I think, like, far and away.
00:09:13
Speaker
Like, wow, this is a very cool card. All of these cards are really good. Um... Hydra Stomper. Hey, he gets pretty big, huh? Yeah. Yeah, he does. ah Pretty, pretty cool card.
00:09:23
Speaker
i was at first I was playing a surfer move deck. I went back to the thing I was playing before Wave Flourish a deck. I called Sebastian Shuffle.
00:09:34
Speaker
It had Kingpin in it and stuff. So like I copy pasted that list. I was mixing things up. I was playing a lot of the new cards and that was like working pretty well. That was pretty fun. i was like, come on, let's do the Heimdall stuff. let's Let's see what the move cards really do, right?
00:09:49
Speaker
So i took out just like the Surfer cards, the Brood and Shaw and Silver Surfer. And I think I was playing America Chavez. And that was like basically it as far as like Surfer stuff and everything else is more or less move flavored.
00:10:03
Speaker
So i just retooled it into a Heimdall deck and it absolutely rips. It's just been kicking raw ass. Just... ah mint and sp like like it's my yeah i i don't know i'm i'm way up on this deck i don't have a clever name for it uh it was deck 21 until we started the recording and then i decided to rename it heimdall uh but i hope i come up with a better name by the end of the segment i don't know i don't think i will but let me tell you what's in it it's got bad rock
00:10:37
Speaker
Or is it just because it's like that was a placement? I had a deck 20 or something. Don't give me false hope. It's like deck 20 run. No, that's just the name it gives them. I know it does that. Yeah, I know. It moves them.
00:10:50
Speaker
Anywho, I got Batrock. I got Dagger. Oh, yeah. that's That's the cool thing about this Heimdall deck. I have completely thrown out the the established recipe of Heimdall decks that I, like, yo, only one one drop in this deck, and it's just Batrock.
00:11:05
Speaker
Because you know what we use to move cards now? We use three and four cost cards to move cards now. and we're not We're not doing Ghost Spider, Iron Fist, Aranya stuff. That's played out. That's tired. You know what's wired?
00:11:18
Speaker
Topaz. Topaz is wired. Holy shit. What a good card. um I called it and I was right. Yes. um Batrock, Dagger, Kraven, Silk, Hydra Stomper, Vulture, Topaz, Red Wing, Miles Morales, Spider-Man, Fanfay.
00:11:34
Speaker
Elioth? That's right. I'm playing Elioth now. I've gone over to the dark side after, I don't know, a couple years. i' so I've decided it's okay to play Elioth now after several reworks and things.
00:11:46
Speaker
Yep, I'm an Elioth kid. um and That makes a lot of sense for a move deck because a lot of times at the end you're trying to get them from shaming you and stuff. No, but I mean, it's like, I don't usually see Elias in a move deck.
00:11:59
Speaker
And I'm like, that's pretty clever. Because a lot of times I'm just like, once I just sat and I'm playing Surfer, they should have seen it. They shouldn't have snapped it. They shouldn't have stayed for eight cubes. And I'm like, surely, I mean, it's Surfer.
00:12:12
Speaker
No, they're there're seven human torches that they got out there somehow into one Killmonger. So it's like, oh, if they had Elias me, though, like... Yeah, I have to say, i having lost a lot of games to Alioth, I'm like, I feel like I'm just real good at using it. The the few times i've I've had to use it for like limited time modes, I'm just like, oh, I know exactly what it looks like when Alioth wrecks your shit because it's happened to me so many times. I just sort reverse engineered the situation on on the other player and it's a lot of fun.
00:12:45
Speaker
And, ah you know, it's it's very novel for me. It's... ah you know, it's juicy. It's a new experience. And I get to enjoy things, even if you've been enjoying them for forever. So that's, so that's what I have to say about my Heimdall deck. It's, ah it feels really strong. You should probably like try. i haven't, haven't like cooked ah one that I recommended in a long time, but like,
00:13:05
Speaker
I don't know. I'd play this Heimdall deck if there's one card that's like flexible that I might cut. Probably Miles Morales because he's just you know simple stats, but like simple stats, pretty cool. um Red Wing is so much fun with Fanfei and Topaz and stuff.
00:13:21
Speaker
And Topaz, Fanfei and Heimdall, you can just like layer them together and make whatever you want happen at the end of the game. Just like whatever you want, really. just Just put the cards where, yeah, you'll, yeah I don't know.
00:13:35
Speaker
Like, this is not an easy deck to pilot, I should warn you. Like, you will have to like think ahead. But if you are thinking ahead, you can just make the cards go wherever you want. And I'm really proud of it, so play that deck.
00:13:47
Speaker
Other than that, anything interesting in my weekend snap other than snap packs? Nope. Nope. That's probably about it. okay it's mine. I'm seizing control. um um First off, I will say I did play Ben's Heimdall deck, and is great. I had some very fun games with it, um because I was looking for something to put Fanfay in. I did first build my own deck with Batrock, and I'll talk about that in a second.
00:14:10
Speaker
But it's funny that Ben talked about how fun Redwing is and how good Elioth is, because those are the two cards I ended up cutting. I never played Elioth, and Redwing was just... There was one time he pulled Heimdall, that was kind of cool, but...
00:14:22
Speaker
not for me and i felt like i wasn't triggering enough moves um for things like craven and and batrock and maybe i'm just uh greedy but i put in uh sam wilson and and hercules i forgot to put in hercules um hercules is mostlyly well the hot locations kunloon right now and everybody's playing moves so hercules is very fun if you have priority um I had somebody else in there temporarily.
00:14:51
Speaker
ah Maybe it was Jeff. I don't know. Anyway, very fun deck as it was. i couldn't figure out the use for a life. And by the time I cut a life, I was like, why do I have Red Wing if I'm not cheating out anything meaningful?
00:15:04
Speaker
So I gotta say, like, a life is the thing you want to cheat out with Red Wing. Like on the last turn, yeah it's cool to get both the six drops down. But gosh, between Topaz already being on the board, Fanfabe being an activate card, and you still having six energy to spend on the last turn, there's just some wild stuff you can do.
00:15:23
Speaker
It feels like I'm big brain sequencing move again. You know, which has been a while since we could do that, since they made so that moves just always happen. Since they changed rules, yeah.
00:15:34
Speaker
ae My version... my i shouldn't say my version. ah My completely separate deck that I made with the new cards. um Well, with Hydrastomper and Batroc, anyway. i It's like half Little Movers and half... ah What was it Like Silky Smoove?
00:15:53
Speaker
That sort of thing, where you're playing like Angela andthena and Thena and ah Elsa Bloodstone and Kitty Pryde. Anyway, it's super fun. Goose is in here because it just... everything in this deck is three or cheaper and gets huge. And and so of course you need goose in that situation.
00:16:09
Speaker
um Yeah. Kitty pride, Batroc, Fina, who also gets huge goose, Sam Wilson, Angela, Craven, Spider-Man. That's the one I'm not sure about. It was Jeff for a little bit.
00:16:22
Speaker
ah Silk, Hydra Stomper, Juggernaut and Elsa Bloodstone. ah It feels like it needs a little bit of tuning with Juggernaut's also new in there because I do worry about jugging something into the goose lane. But yeah.
00:16:37
Speaker
Yeah. So I feel like it needs one more one more thing. and you know, maybe it's maybe it's Cosmo or Shong. Not that i love playing Shong. Anyway, it's been super fun. I have enjoyed
Analyzing Snap Packs and Game Meta
00:16:49
Speaker
the cards. We'll talk about them more in just a little bit.
00:16:51
Speaker
And obviously. Go ahead. Oh, sorry. Um, you, have you considered us agent? No, that's a great choice. Cause you, you were, you were listing the reasons to play goose and I'm like, those all sound like great reasons to play us agent.
00:17:06
Speaker
Yeah, that's a great choice. Uh, I think I might do that. Thank you. I don't know. I was just word associating pretty much cooking on the fly. Um, obviously snap packs have been huge for me.
00:17:20
Speaker
uh, i I opened nine. I did not get anything exciting except for like the but the biggest prize I got was a Dan Hipp Silver Samurai. Otherwise, everything I got was like tiny, you know, like 50 credits and and mostly boosters.
00:17:37
Speaker
um what you know last week's Series 5 card or anything. Nope. I wonder how representative like two out of three of us opened a Series 5 card. That cannot be like normal, can it?
00:17:50
Speaker
yeah I didn't see anybody who got a full three-card pack, even though it's theoretically possible, but I saw lots of people getting twos. um i They're really fun to open, even though I didn't get anything super good. I'm like, i would love to open more, but I'm collection complete now, and so I i can't. Yeah.
00:18:08
Speaker
It feels so right in a card game to be opening packs, to be honest. We're all like probably lifelong card gamers. i mean, I know that thing about it.
00:18:19
Speaker
And it's just like, you just open packs for cards. Even if you're playing a living card game where you're getting set, they still release them in little packs. It's still fun to see everything new and go through it all the time.
00:18:31
Speaker
But they don't they don't smell in Snap. That's the thing. There's no better smell than than the new cards. Oh. For me, wasn't that the entire appeal of ah like the Pokemon Pocket game?
00:18:44
Speaker
It was like, hey, remember opening packs? And you're like, oh, yes. You're literally ripping the pack. and yeah It's like literally booster pack.
00:18:56
Speaker
And it was very fun until I went like days on end without getting anything new. And then it was like... And then I, yeah, I'm not playing anymore either. Um, I've been doing tons and tons of math, preparing for snap packs and trying to get out an article that's, you know, an in-depth analytics article. How good is it really? How much is it going to cost to be a hundred percent complete? How do you optimize the system?
00:19:20
Speaker
Uh, some of my early math informed a video by pulse laser. You can go see on snap judgments, YouTube channel right now. It's not perfect because it's early math. um Like I had early simulations that were saying it's better to open series four before series five.
00:19:33
Speaker
But now my simulations are saying it's about the same. I'm trying to figure out why it changed. um So that's part of why it's taking so long. It's like I'm doing like ah expected value calculations and spreadsheets. And I really want my simulations and expected values to, you know, I love having two different approaches lead to the same answer. And they're not right now. So that's something i have to figure out.
00:19:55
Speaker
Lauren, have you considered leaving the bone dice with which you make these calculations out under a full moon? Also, I have to say, if you're using dice to make calculations, maybe you have done it wrong.
00:20:09
Speaker
No, I like to think it's like I have movie Lauren in my head and she does math. You know it's like, it's like I'm a coder. So when they show people, you know, like coding or hacking you and you're like, yeah.
00:20:22
Speaker
But like, that's what I have in Lauren. I'm like, she consults. The faster type, better you hack. She performs the rituals correctly, like communes with the gods and then the numbers come to her freely from the heavens. It's arcane. It's ritualistic.
00:20:36
Speaker
Don't ruin my movie. Okay. Yeah, anyway. That'll be that'll be coming to SnapZone in a few days, a week, I don't know, whenever it's ready. I'm also in the middle of planning a wedding right now.
00:20:47
Speaker
um Yeah. Let's talk about the new cards in more detail, even though we've already talked about them a decent amount. They're all awesome. they're awesome Yeah, it was a total surprise that there were going to be the three series four cards. They said that they were pulling them up a week, so I don't expect any additional series four cards for May season.
00:21:07
Speaker
um But I think it was really smart for them to pull them up a week to be ah you know to make Snap Packs launch more exciting. Okay, let's talk about Hydra Stomper, and then I need to let the dog out. ah three two ongoing, plus one power for each time one of your cards moved this game.
00:21:25
Speaker
Do you want to say anything more about him or have we already said everything? We all got all the cards? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We all got all these cards. i think Hydrastomper's ass got saved by coming out the same day as Batroc and ah Topaz, especially. ah Those two. Oh, for sure.
00:21:44
Speaker
I think that Hydrastomper would have landed a lot less... ah made Made much less of a splash if Hydrastomper had arrived alone. Hey, don't forget about Silk. Like, she's a huge player. Oh, no. Silk is still, like, always. She's all about Stomp and Hydras.
00:22:02
Speaker
Yeah. I think that Batroc is sort of the Silk buff that we've wanted. Although, really, I wish they would just take a power off of Batroc and give it to Silk because he gets plenty big and she deserves it more.
00:22:14
Speaker
um I wouldn't be surprised to see Batroc get nerfed. Yeah, for real. He's too much. It's over the line. He's pretty good. ah like it. But definitely propping up Hydra Stomper, who is a fine card in his own right, but like you need you need these other cards to... But he's that kind of a card, because he's a move card, you know? So it's like, you know, when you have these...
00:22:40
Speaker
But like when I imagined this day on the calendar like you know two weeks ago or whatever, I was like really worried about Hydra Stomper. I was like, oh, my precious my precious Hydra Stomper. you are going to Everyone is going to like you're going to get tarred and feathered because you don't perform.
00:22:56
Speaker
But like they gave him three sidekicks, or rather three... like like These three cards are like a tripod like holding him up, and he cannot fail. It's crazy.
00:23:08
Speaker
You're forgetting, like, Sam Wilson, too. no Sam Wilson, I know he got nerfed, but he's still, so, like, the deck I've been playing, i kind of forgot to mention my weekend snap, but it's, like, that finally, like, is doing well and turning things around. Because this meta has been nasty. Like, bullseye is beating me again. Fucking bullseye.
00:23:28
Speaker
You know, it's like went in this bad cycle of like, like losing to a deck and then so like, like I was like, I'm gonna try Infinity Ultron because I just got it And that seems fun. And probably no one else is playing him because they all thought he was shit. So like...
00:23:42
Speaker
So I make I make an Infinity Ultron deck and I go out. Immediately I get low-keyed turn one with like my little Quinjets and Victoria hands, my full deck full of buffing cards that you genned.
00:23:58
Speaker
And I was just like... like no yeah loki turned one in my first game with infinity ultron so and then and then was like fine that's it the i'll go evil i'll play loki i just fucking want to like win and have some fun you know i don't care so uh blow up megaton okay no i would never blow up megaton no don't do that okay so um and then i tried that not worth it to hang out a 10 penny tower Losing to some meta deck and then, yeah, and then switching to that meta deck. And, like, finally I was just like, no, what I need is to go back to, like, good, clean tech that lets me beat everything. my My favorite kind of, like, Swiss tools kind of thing, which is, like, Surfer.
00:24:45
Speaker
And I haven't played Surfer in, like, months, to be honest. I know Surfer never really went away, but but I haven't haven't forever. and it was, like... It was so good.
00:24:56
Speaker
And you know what? So I was like, oh, I started putting one together. I'm like, wait, no, let me auto do it. Probably put most of it. I'll put Surfer in there most of what I want, and I'll just make my swaps. But auto, fucking auto, which never agrees with me. It's always just like, put more meta cards in it. Even more. Not meta enough.
00:25:13
Speaker
Go more meta. They put Makari in the stack. I was like, what the fuck? I'm so um But Sam Wilson is in it. And it's just like having... I used to be like, hey, having a one cost card I thought was the benefit. Having a one... Being able to move a card every single turn and snap.
00:25:32
Speaker
is such a huge bonus it doesn't need to be a one cost it doesn't need to buff it doesn't they can red guardian sam and you're still like fucking getting around getting multiple elsa's and go you know what i with like your ability like keeping yourself from getting locked out from from move locations you know what i mean from those like they read guardian you moment if they read guardyian the shield right Because Sam is the one who knows it. Lauren and I were both like, steam was coming out of our ears.
00:26:02
Speaker
Sorry. It's all good. It's all You're right. Because that's usually what they'll do. the red Because you play Sam Wilson turn two, right? You've moved the shield to Sam Wilson. They read Guardian it.
00:26:16
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He hits
Community Engagement and Competitive Play
00:26:18
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the shield. That's a familiar pattern, for sure. That's where my brain was going. And once again, it's still like, it clogs up your board, but getting them to drop their red guardian on your shield or Sam Wilson over other stuff you have in the deck. Either is waste a red guardian. Sam Wilson is such a champion. Okay, anyway, that he went and surfered.
00:26:42
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Yeah. You know? um So... that's what I moved to, honestly. I was playing... I was trying safety's deck with, like, Hydra Stomper. And, oh, my gosh. That's fun.
00:26:52
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I saw... That's, like, all I did was, like, I'm taking Batrot. And so haven't played Topaz. haven't played fanfics. It's been a day. um i went... And I had a lot of fun until it was, like, you know... Until you're running into enough screams and, like, other stuff.
00:27:09
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It ruins your fun. Um... But yeah, sorry. I want to say, and Sam Wilson I met is great for Hydrastop. I got sidetracked into my little story. No, sure he is, yeah.
00:27:22
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Absolutely true. um Right? We do have so many ways to trigger this without even, like, with being able to be side-adjacent move. Like, um you know, move combos. like I said it was just a move card, but now I'm just like, no, he's like, you can go hybrid with him.
00:27:41
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Yeah, just be in a little move package. Yeah. I mean, yeah like just like Sam Batroc, maybe Silk and Hydro Stomper. You're going to get tons of moves that way. um I think it's OK that he's a three.
00:27:55
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I saw some people being like, why isn't he a two like the other low power or low? No, he should not be a two. That would be he gets so big. and I'm thinking you're like drop him on the last turn and like right with a Shang-Chi or something, like you would just solve two lanes that like is too Exactly. And I'm like, you know, Morbius is huge as a two, but if you keep him in your hand, there's a chance you're going to discard him. Like it's different.
00:28:17
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Yeah. Yeah, I've been very impressed Hydrastomper. I've hit double digits almost always and sometimes broken 20, which is just silly.
00:28:29
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Yeah. Again, I'm probably playing greedier than I should be, but it's fun. So it's fine. It's fine if a Batroc gets shonged every now and then. Yeah. just do just for giving us a reason to play silk i'm so grateful like i have missed it this has just not been good for me anyway it's my my favorite move i mean if if you get batrock out on one that's ideal but if you don't then on turn three you can play silk batrock and he will move silk right i was very concerned that he wouldn't follow silk if if he was the thing that moved silk but
00:29:05
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It's such a lore moment for her to go somewhere and he's like, oh, hey. She's like, nah, I'm out. And then he like followed and she's like, this is not. and planned only twice this yeah The has to help her out. Like, hey, this guy bothering you? Go ahead, I'll distract him. All of them have great animations, too.
00:29:23
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Gotta say. Topaz, 3-4, after you play a card here, move it to the middle location. batrock the leaper one two when a card moves follow it to gain plus two power plus two that's silly fan fey activate ah four seven activate move your other cards here to the right
00:29:44
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i think we've talked about them plenty unless there's anything else you want to say I don't know. they're all They're all great cards. I'm glad everyone seems to be playing them. When other people are playing move cards, I'm happy because I like other people playing the cards I like.
00:29:57
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And I also like winning games. and Wow. i I don't know. play Play a lot of move and then you'll get better at playing against move. And then like when when you get into a move meta like this, it feels really fun. like You're sort of trick-or-treating and just like, ah you know...
00:30:16
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picking cubes out of people's pockets because it's hard to sneak up on you if you know the patterns and things. So if you aren't good with move yet, it's a great time to practice and get good with move. And next time thing, everyone's moving. You too can enjoy. i don't know.
00:30:33
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I don't all ever be good at it. Well, hey, you know, they I think it's interesting that they this batch of Series 4 cards are all, you know, of of one synergy.
00:30:43
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I sort of wish they'd, you know, shaken it up and been like, okay, here's one discard one and one, like... created card one and i don't know some sort of think that's activate reward or something like you know like i wish they'd mixed it up but instead they're like have all the move toys at once everyone play move now like that makes me wonder if like next month they're gonna go like all affliction or something i think they'll mix it up do you how are we feeling about three extra cards every month
00:31:18
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I like it. I mean, this one, because they were all seen moved, it did lead to, like, kind of scream and stuff. But it feels like when a lot of cards release it once, there's it it it makes the meta less like everyone's just playing the new card encounters or whatever, you know? Because people have a lot. Some people really want to one card or the other, and they don't all go together. So honestly like it.
00:31:39
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Yeah. honestly like it Yeah, I like it a lot, too. And I think it's like a good sweet spot between the weekly release, which is unique to Snap and keeps the meta churning and keeps, you know, in the game interesting. There's always something new.
00:31:52
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But also the multiple cards at once. That effect is really fun, too. It was so exciting to build a deck with four new cards in it. Yeah, it's going to like Christmas. It did feel a little bit like they handed it to me because they were the four new cards and I put them all in the deck and it worked. And I was, you know...
00:32:11
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I felt a little ambivalent about that part, but like, it's exciting to play multiple new cards at once. That hasn't happened since like, ah you know, the the big batch back in the day. Yeah. When the token shop first launched.
00:32:25
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Uh, yeah, that leaves only three that are still in the backlog by my measurement of these like dinky series four cards. Dinky. I mean, some of them are very good. Uh, Cobra, dum-dum, Dugan, Tombstone.
00:32:39
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Those are the only three from old seasons. Uh, so I think Glenn had an answer today that he expects that they'll catch up the mat, like, so that the series four cards being released match the season thematically. They'll catch up in like three to four months, which is great.
00:32:53
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Cool. Um,
00:32:56
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Yeah. On guest stream, I just wanted to bring this up very briefly. um He had Brady on the show, who is I wish I knew Brady's role off the top of my head. i I don't know. I don't know what Brady's title is, but he like writes a lot of the blogs and is like responsible for Twitch drops. And like so he does a lot of stuff.
00:33:20
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i don't know like event type community outreach yeah but not like griffin he's not a community manager so it's a little different um anyway brady came on the stream and together they announced that second dinner is teaming up with a team of content creators to host an official marvel snap tournament that will be open to the public um they didn't have a lot of details about it so you know it could be next month or it could be a while away um But it's Super Tech God, Guest, and then from the Snap Judgments League, Gunny T and Mod Supreme Models.
00:33:58
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I was a little surprised they didn't get Pulse in on that because of Snap Judgments League. But um
00:34:06
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I think it's really cool. I'm not a super competitive player. um i think um'm i think I'm a good player when that's my goal, but it doesn't interest me to be hyper competitive.
00:34:18
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um But i I know it can make such a big difference for a competitive scene if it's officially supported by the company, by the dev. Yeah, I think that's cool. Yeah, it's definitely cool. I'm i'm excited about it. i'll ah and I'd be interested. I like tournaments because...
00:34:36
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like you going to do it, Ben? Sure. You can you can like throw yourself at like Ladder and be like, I'm going to get the most snap points, but like it's a stupid system. like Everybody knows it's a very silly system that like rewards just like throwing time at it more so than throwing cleverness or...
00:34:55
Speaker
purpose or anything like i don't know i don't know but yes yes i i'll i'll get down on it i felt very silly i yeah meant to do the current snap judgments league season and but i forgot it's uh you know me too to be honest i yeah i also missed out and meant to do it and i said we would have um should have Push for it in the pod. But like, no, I'm really glad if you're joining the tournament. I do not have the space.
00:35:25
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It's the kind of thing I would find fun, but like, ish. um And also nerve wracking. But like, I don't have the space. So I'm like, I'm really cool to have someone some people. to to re I mean, we we don't know anything about it yet. So it's like right to the pod but we the the entire reputation of your podcast. you I don't know if I'm going to win the whole thing like you did. I don't know. I don't know about that. I am facing you. You'll bring some sweet deck. It'll be awesome.
00:35:58
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Sorry, go ahead, Lauren. I'm happy about the tournament because it got Quinny to start Snap again.
00:36:04
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Quinny Equinox is playing Snap again. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because she
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00:36:09
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wants to compete. And um I like her decks. So I'm happy to have, as Ben has been saying, not enough people are cooking in Snap. So I'm happy to have a cook come back. I don't know she'll stay, but I hope she does.
00:36:19
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Maybe it's a winner, whether or not. However, she does in the tournament. Yeah, no. She legitimately has nothing to prove. But I was excited to see her coming back. Yeah.
00:36:29
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was going to say hi. I also missed ah Snap Judgments League season six. I last participated in two. and don't know. Like I said, not super competitive, but it was fun to like match with random people and talk to them for a little bit. And I'm very interested to see what the format of this tournament will be like. Will it be the super relaxed, like one battle a week, slow, stretched out format like they did with Judgments League? I seems likely, but.
00:36:58
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I mean, is that is that good television, though?
00:37:02
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Yeah. Or, i mean, I don't know. Is the whole thing going to be casted? Maybe. They might cast it once it's, like, top 16. I'm trying to remember in, like, Hearthstone's heyday, I think they had some sort of, like, weekly thing going on. I don't know.
00:37:16
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I don't know if they still do that or any. i' I've never been, like, I've never been an esports kind of person. So, it's, is ah like, the the knowledge just rolls off my brain. Like, I can't absorb but i don't know We'll see what they Could be cool. Wow, I sound sick.
00:37:35
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yeah If I'm going to watch e-sports, honestly, and games, like card games are like what I want to watch. You know what i mean? for sure. Yeah, absolutely.
00:37:48
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Yep.
00:37:50
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There is an element where, because it's it's just a thinking game, there's not really a lot of like execution. Yeah. Where if it feels much more achievable to like, oh, I could play like that. I could play that same deck or whatever. Right. Versus like if you're watching something like a fighting game or ah MOBA or a RTS, it's like you can't you can't just sit down and have 300 actions per minute. Like, it's not something you know.
00:38:14
Speaker
Well, and it's like watching athletes, you know? It's like these are people that have good – and they have to put in the work and the practice and stuff. But card games, you can be like, you should have played this way.
00:38:25
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you did it wrong. You should have realized they were going to play that there. was so obvious. I'd be like, wow, I didn't see that. oh what a genius. You know, rarely. Usually you're just yelling at people for playing wrong.
00:38:40
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But yeah, I don't know. There's something different about ah watching people play card games. All right. With Snap Packs, there was a new patch and new patches mean data of mines.
00:38:52
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um There are a few other changes. Uncle Ben has an animation. That's kind of it's worth seeing. You should you should kill an Uncle Ben and see what happens.
00:39:02
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Giganto and Red Skull have animations, too. I don't know. I don't know what they look like. Yeah. Anyway, onto the data mines. ah This is looking for June? Nope, July. These are July's cards.
00:39:14
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um Looks like it's going to be a Fantastic Four season, presumably to align with the movie. um the The season pass card is Mr. Fantastic First Steps.
00:39:26
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Yes, we're getting we're getting new copies of all of the Fantastic Four and Galactus. Um... here's Here's his ability. End of turn. Oh, he's a 2-3.
00:39:38
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Which is also... oh think it's interesting that they're mixing these up. How I going to keep them straight? um End of turn. Give a card in your hand. Plus 2 power or minus 1 cost.
00:39:52
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the That's not going to stay like this, right? It's too good. It's very good. like This is just ridiculously good.
00:40:02
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read it...
00:40:08
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Go ahead. It makes me sad. I was just going to say, my my own like this like, obvious is great. It's the kind of card I love to play. I'll play the shit out of it. My one thought about it is it makes me sad for Festus. Because Festus, Festus, Festus. Because it's just a better him. like that Yeah. That card's just like dead, dead, dead.
00:40:30
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What in your hand is opposed into your deck? Way better. 100% better. For one cheaper? For like, know, like what?
00:40:40
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Two less power? You don't give shit. It's a two-three. It's part, you know? It's just like, oh, how sad. like like Part of me thinks there's no way they could print this card, but the thing is, they're going to print Surge, it looks like.
00:40:53
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So if Surge is okay, I guess this card's okay. Let's just, ah I guess power levels don't matter anymore. Play both of them together. It's Obviously you're playing both of them. but You're playing both of them in literally every deck.
00:41:06
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Yeah, I think this is a great choice for a cease and pass card anyway. Very flexible, and relevant to early game.
00:41:14
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It is really wild when you think about Fastos existing. yeah Right, it's so sad for him. It's like, he worked so hard, so Also, did we see a lot of Fastos in the past week, or was I right that 3-4 is not not what he needs? I've seen, I only see him in Surfer.
00:41:32
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I thought he was a I just said two less power. I was reaching my head. I'm like, what powers he? He's not a 3-3. Surely not. And I'm like, he's got to be 3-5. Still not useful enough.
00:41:42
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And so that's what I went with. And he's a 3-4. Oh, that poor god. Forgotten and alone and out of his time. and Okay.
00:41:54
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i Here's the thing. I don't and don't hate the alternate versions of characters. These ones are not... They don't feel super different to me. But the variant thing I think is the worst. Like, how do you do?
00:42:08
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don't How do you have a pile of variants for Mr. Fantastic and a pile of variants for Mr. Fantastic first steps? Like you don't, you won't. They'll make you like two variants for Mr. Fantastic first steps.
00:42:20
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That's fine, I guess. No, but it's really obnoxious we don't have Tigra in the game. The benefit of IP like Marvel is you have an endless, endless pool ye of characters. There's 50 million characters because everyone that ever wrote creates like 20 of them in hopes that one will pick up and they will be responsible for ah beloved new character. So it's just like, why not do that? Like, yeah, we don't need a million Mr. Fantastics.
00:42:47
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Even if you are going to do different versions, there are more distinct ones, right? The Maker often talked about on our podcast. Yeah. It's true. With distinct name. like I mean, he is coming, right? His name's in the game.
00:43:01
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i I don't remember, but I would expect he's coming sometime. ah Okay. Okay. We're go just going to go off of what the datamined release order is. Herbie is the first week Series 5 card.
00:43:16
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each turn this is in ah tu two um crush on this Each turn this is in play, swap to a new activate ability until one is used. It's a Nikomenoru that hangs out on your board.
00:43:28
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here are the Here are the four abilities. Activate. Next turn, you get plus two energy. Activate. Give your cards at adjacent locations plus one power. Activate. Create a rock with four power here.
00:43:43
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Activate. Double this card's power. Hearkening to Fantastic Four abilities. It's kind of cool. Is Irving like a Volkswagen bug? I'm trying to remember what Irving is. That's what I was thinking too. No, he's he's like a robot.
00:43:58
Speaker
Yeah. What is he from? like Fantastic Four. Fantastic Four. He's like ah he's like a main feature. Oh, he's like legit. Yeah, he's like a comp pillar of their whole mythos. yeah Oh man, I've actually read some Fantastic Four. I feel like I should have known that.
00:44:13
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I definitely think the White Bug, 53, that's what I'm thinking too. i'm I'm listing things that people who don't know about the Fantastic Four should still probably know about. Sorry, yeah i'm just i'm I'm listing lore things you have to know about the Fantastic Four even if you don't give a shit.
00:44:26
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Give your cards at adjacent locations plus one power is kind of crazy, right? As an activate, just do it at the end of turn six. Yeah, it seems, wait, the, yeah, you know, it's an activate, but they're all great abilities, so, and it's a two, which makes me valuable. I'm into it. i I like, one thing about Nico that's cool is that she, you know, she goes through her indecisive phase in your hand where you can see it and your opponent can't.
00:44:56
Speaker
But like I assume that this one, like it won't do the same ability twice, will it? Or at least not before it's rotated. It has to do four. Well, I mean, yeah, but like does it does it go through all four before going back to the start?
00:45:09
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That's unclear. It just says swap to a new one. So, yeah, is it a full cycle or is it just, like, could it go A, B, A? Because I'd be more excited about playing Herbie if I knew that my opponent didn't have the same information. Or, like, didn't have, like, all the... I don't know.
00:45:26
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if If I'm giving Mr. Policeman all the clues or whatever, I'm, like, less excited about it. But... ah I don't know. Probably a good card. Wasabi.
00:45:37
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Feels like Marvel card. That's what I want to play with. Wasabi. Um...
00:45:45
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Headphones yeah are not for eating or even for gnawing on.
00:45:51
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I think because with Nico, what I like where I thought Ben was going is like, not only is the information you have that your opponent doesn't, it but then you can decide whether you want to do it. And it's useful in that term before you spend the energy and here you're committing.
00:46:05
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I think Nico is better card for sure. Yeah. i think nico's better card for sure oh yeah Cheaper cards just always feel better. It's like, well, but it's only one energy,
00:46:16
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m you Yeah. the ones I think ones especially are just like, they're balanced by Killmonger, so they can be a little ridiculous. Okay, next one. he Oh, I was wondering, does it does it get a new activate ability next turn after you activate it?
00:46:36
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Like, does does it get to activate every turn? Is that... Oh, no, no, no. No, it says until one is used. Oh, okay. Until one... You only get to use one of them. Okay, and then it no longer... All right. So the best one is probably the plus two energy one, right?
00:46:52
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Most of the time. with That's probably the most flexible one. I mean, sometimes the second one is pretty good. The give your cards at adjacent locations plus one power, but you have to play them in the middle. That's what makes me want to pair it with Ms. Marvel, you know? in middle. A real structured deck.
00:47:08
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right And one that's playing in the wings. If you're playing like Iron Man to try and win the Miss Marvel lane, that's where you'd want in like an Irby. and It's adding a little bit more power there.
00:47:22
Speaker
If he's in the left or right, then creating a rock is that that'll activate that lane for Ms. Marvel. So that's what I'm saying. So it's just synergistic. He's an interesting card. ah You play him on two.
00:47:35
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If it lines up perfectly that you get the ah plus two energy on turn three. On turn four, you have six energy. That's that's a lot.
00:47:45
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Human Torch, first steps. A End of turn, plus one power. Once per game, if your side here is full, double this card's power instead.
00:48:00
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It's hard to like understand how much it scales, right? So like on turn three, it goes to 3, 4, 5, and then on 6, it becomes 10. It's a 310. Yeah, I mean, like this is like going to be great in Surfer.
00:48:14
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Yeah. yeah yeah Yeah. I'm not sure it goes anywhere else. Yeah, it's a Valk friend, but kind of expensive for a Valk friend.
00:48:27
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Maybe it's an Elsa. You know, the Elsa buffing nonsense. might just be a general like buff stuff kind of card. yeah Doubling is always a good sign for buffing. Yeah.
00:48:39
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Once again, when you have Sam Wilson and you're just like filling lanes but moving stuff and freeing them up again, you can do a lot with deciding when and where and not limiting yourself when you do fill a location. Yeah.
00:48:54
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I just think that with the the three costs, like it's kind of irresistible to put him in surfer, especially when there are so many other things in the three cost thing that like also reward the buff stuff kind of play style.
00:49:07
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Like I just, I feel like if you, if you're trying to play human torch first steps, you'll just like be caught up in the gravity of surfer. And I don't know how you get somewhere else. I don't know. I think you're right.
00:49:21
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It's okay to get new surfer cards every now and then. Yeah, no, I mean, like, I enjoy the archetype, but i I don't know if I like this addition to it. I think this card is not especially interesting, except for, like, it's interesting the way in which it gets really big a little bit, but, like, it doesn't and do anything interesting.
00:49:42
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Yeah, filling a lane by the end of the game is not, like, it's very doable. ah The thing first steps a five six end of turn plus two power once per game.
00:49:56
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If your side here is full, destroy an enemy card here with lesser power. Wow. It's a very good ability. Yeah.
00:50:06
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think it I don't love that it so closely echoes the text for torch. Depends how lucky you get, because there'll be times when it's just taken out, you know, stuff that wasn't really making a huge difference.
00:50:20
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Yeah, it doesn't, you know, choose the it's true the largest enemy card here with lesser power or anything like that. And people are usually filling in with, like, fluff. You know, like, there's usually Psylocke out there. You're like, I wasn't, you know, i didn't want to hurt her. Yeah.
00:50:37
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Do you think it's going to have the Spider-Man 2099 problem where like just like the fact that it's the random destruction means it's always going to be the wrong one? e Yeah, it's a very good comparison.
00:50:48
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still see it as a nice tech for like buff decks, you know, like.
00:50:55
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I don't know that it can replace a red guardian, but it's a cool. It's synergistic. Yeah.
00:51:04
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I think it is worth noting he doesn't have the instead. So on the la if you do fill a location, he destroys a card and still gets the plus two. Oh, that is a good point.
00:51:14
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So he's he's a 510 if you play him on five. That's perfectly respectable. 510 that destroys something? Is it? ah Yeah, I guess if it does something, fine. I i don't know. like the Once Reed pointed out that it's a random thing, I'm like, i'm i' I'm a lot lower on this card than I was when I first read the sentence.
00:51:36
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Yeah, it's that kind of thing that you get hype about, and then in practice you're like, oh yay, a squirrel. Died, you know, or whatever, a ninja, or um that kind of thing.
00:51:49
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but i what I do like is end of turn is not activate. It's like you're still guaranteed one hit on it, you know what mean? So I would still value that as ability above activate. Well, kind is reveal.
00:52:02
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You can't stop it with Cosmo. oh i thought I thought you meant it's not on reveal like as as like a negative thing. like You get that that instant gratification with on reveal. You basically do with these end of turn cards. like you There's always one turn that's going to end. but like you you were yeah Sorry.
00:52:22
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ah There is some value in destroying something after turn six. Not super common, but that is... yeah You were saying what I was thinking, Ben, but then Lauren's was a neat idea. i was like, oh, yes, you're right. Cosmo won't stop it. You're saying it's not on reveal like as a selling point. I thought you were like yeah yeah decrying that this is not an on reveal card because we all love the immediacy of on reveal.
00:52:48
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But no, you're you're saying that like this gets around things that on reveal would so bad. And a turn also means like the havoc thing where he doesn't hit Shongrange until after the game's already over. Pretty handy. 5-10 that's not shongable, but I don't know.
00:53:03
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ah This probably isn't a card and I'm going to play very much. This is a little too big for my tastes and not flashy enough. It does buffy stuff, so I'll try it. Fair.
00:53:16
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Invisible Woman first steps. A Activate. This turn, your end of turn abilities happen twice. Does this include the once per game ones?
00:53:29
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I would think that your end of turn text would go twice. See, that's that's that's also how I'm reading it. You'd you'd get the one kill and you'd get the plus two power twice on the thing. or you know, the doubling once and the plus one power on.
00:53:45
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It's happening twice. ah Doubling sunspot on a skipped turn five. Pretty tasty. It's alright. It seems a little unambitious for what this card promises.
00:54:01
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What are all of the end of turn effects that are currently in the game? don't know why it needs to be a three cost. I'm thinking of like Eson. Maybe that's a good thing to double.
00:54:11
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yeah I agree with you on that. Three is a little expensive for this. I think it's an interesting ability. right It's an end of turn wong ah one off. It cracks me up because it's such an Inviswoman is always such a support character.
00:54:26
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Literally everything in the games. I guess there's nothing wrong with that because like bards, you know, are support characters that are also protagonists. But I like even read a solo comic of hers once where it was about like she was doing like spy work for S.H.I.E.L.D. and Fury and stuff. And even that it was just kind of about like her partnership with another spy. I'm just like Inviswoman.
00:54:48
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Oh my God. She's not a solo act. know, she's just family-oriented, I guess. She just doesn't want to do stuff for herself. as far end-of-turn effects go, the ones that seem interesting to me are Atuma. You could get spicy with Atuma.
00:55:07
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Bruce Banner, you get two, one in three chances to Hulk out if you're really desperate at the end of the game or something. Here's where I think it's a little cooler. dr Doom 2099. One more is pretty significant, honestly.
00:55:23
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And Eson. Then we've got some evolved cards here. Cyclops, Hulk, Misty Knight. Cyclops is good. we got Havoc, you know, um much mentioned so far.
00:55:35
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ah you could You could make Hydra Bob move twice. You could get an extra proc on Marvel boy Extra proc on Red Hulk.
00:55:46
Speaker
Extra proc on Thena. Extra proc on Thaddeus. I still think you're... Strange Supreme? don't know. Strange Supreme already has a problem where sometimes you're just like... You've gone too hard, too fat.
00:56:01
Speaker
That's why it's so lore accurate because he's like, no, I'll never be done. know? I needed that in that lane. Okay. But no, I think, right, your 2099 idea with... lane okay um i think right your're twenty nine idea with um with invis woman and with bruce you know what i mean because then you're also sometimes like skipping about you know only playing you you're gonna want to get like multiple things to benefit at the end of that one turn that you get to do twice you know yeah i see that that sounds like the the obvious home this card is you yeah i'm with you though three is just it just sounds expensive still
00:56:45
Speaker
Okay, and then there's a handful of Series 4 cards they may or may not be launching with this season. minimum minimum minimum Mole Man.
00:56:55
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Mole Man. A 3-3 on reveal. Banish the top card of your deck. Add two rocks to your hand with power set to the banish card's cost.
00:57:07
Speaker
Took me two reads to get that. It's based on the cost, not on the power. So you're at best getting... 1-6 rocks. I mean, exceptions for Arashem and Death.
00:57:21
Speaker
Yeah. Wow. That's a cool card. what What do we do with it, though? Do we put it in Patriot? Oh, we built rock decks! You put it with but You base the whole thing around rocks. It'll be fun. It's a Patriot deck.
00:57:35
Speaker
Rocks. It's such a cool design. It's deck thinning, right? like It's good for... It's a Howard card. Oh, absolutely. Good point. only two or three right now.
00:57:48
Speaker
um I don't hate 1-4s, right? Like, that's when this starts to be worthwhile. Absolutely not, no. so But I do hate 1-3s. 1-3 isn't quite good enough.
00:58:03
Speaker
um Like, 2-6s, it's okay, but 2-8, now we're talking. Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:12
Speaker
Also, it's current generation. This is putting two cards into your hand. Oh, it's not hidden information. your opponent can see your banished bio. Yeah. Yeah. So they know how big your rocks are. Yeah, this this this has to be like a... This is a winner.
00:58:28
Speaker
I think this is a card that's going to do some work. That's what I think. But also think you're holding that power back, meaning you're losing Pryo, so you're protecting that stuff from Killmonger, which is like a plus when you're doing, you know, your power in low cost numbers.
00:58:45
Speaker
And he's making power that like you get to distribute easily like later, wherever you want, really. So he's making power today on turn three, and you're not saying where it's going on turn six.
00:59:01
Speaker
Seems like a good card. Yeah, but to you have to sacrifice a four, five, or six that you put on your diet put in your deck on purpose. Yeah, and then you're drawing whatever was underneath it. Right, yeah, the deck thinning is good.
00:59:14
Speaker
i mean I mean, like, I'm not saying we run it he because it does deck spinning. I'm just saying, like, you're right you're you're banishing a card from your deck, but that was always the plan. That's, like,
Season Cards and Strategic Predictions
00:59:24
Speaker
the premise of the whole thing.
00:59:26
Speaker
We're not doing anything we didn't mean to do. It's like Old Yondu, where it's, like, might as well just be destroying the bottom card. It doesn't... Exactly. Okay. A card that you wouldn't have seen anyway. Sure.
00:59:38
Speaker
Also Series 4, Fantastikar. 4-6. Activate. Give your end-of-turn cards plus 2 power.
00:59:48
Speaker
o You get to play a lot of end-of-turn cards. get to play so many. yeah It's a 4-cost activate. yeah It's an activate and it's Spectrum. That's activate and Spectrum is already like... Already not big enough. Not doing enough. It's already, yeah.
01:00:04
Speaker
Like, I mean, I'll play Spectrum decks and win with them, but you know, she's not, she's never been close to OP it feels like. I've been feeling like she needs to do plus three for a while. That's my feeling.
01:00:14
Speaker
That feels like maybe too much. I know. 6-8 would be absolutely fine. Maybe even 6-9. Yeah, this is rough for me. That's what I think.
01:00:27
Speaker
I think I want to ride a bike instead of getting in this fantastic game, to be honest. Yeah, not a fan. There's no way they're printing it like this or digitally printing it like this.
01:00:38
Speaker
No, this is bad. like This is like really bad. This is like worse than Emperor Hulkling bad. They would not print this card.
01:00:48
Speaker
I hope you're right. you are You were also sure they wouldn't print Hulkling. Yeah. I don't know. I could be wrong. Maybe it's amazing. How many end of turn cards? I mean, like, it's you'd need at least three of them, right? What's a new archetype? How do you even get excited about that, though? Like, like what if Gwenpool was activated? That would be bad.
01:01:06
Speaker
um I don't know. this Yeah, I don't like this card. It's also... i I like that they're trying to make a new archetype out of it, but like even the four fan, the new first steps, fantastic for, they don't really synergize with each other. Invisible, strange, strange. Yeah. I mean, i don't know.
01:01:27
Speaker
They, they do have like a common mechanic. So like there is, it's not, yeah, don't I don't know. It seems and oddly designed cycle of cards.
01:01:38
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, yeah, like High Evo is the only thing I can think of that like plays a bunch of end of turn cards. um Mad Thinker, the last series four in the data mines at the start of each turn gain. Oh, sorry. A one one at the start of each turn gain plus two power if your hand is full.
01:01:59
Speaker
I love it. It's so fun. I know Ben hates it.
01:02:04
Speaker
After you draw. So I don't hate it, actually. This is just my first time reading the card. And I'm a little perplexed. But not... I don't know. i don't know. I could see this being... You know, you play Kate Bishop.
01:02:20
Speaker
You get your your six cards. and you just You get comfortable with your six cards. every You know? And Batrock is and already a nebula that doesn't care. Like a non-interactive nebula.
01:02:32
Speaker
ah Like, you know? And Batrock's pretty good, right? so Plus, like, okay, I love having full—I actually love a full hand. And you only need practice twice for it to be 1-5.
01:02:46
Speaker
Right. And a full hand is always options of cards, um which, you know, sometimes they all bad options. That does happen. but like But the point is which good for the flexible style. i like to play. But the downside of it is um if your hand is full, you obviously can't draw maybe something you really need, which feels bad.
01:03:09
Speaker
um and so if they just give me a reason to do it, like, oh, but it's okay, though, because I'm helping out. um mad thinker, you know, over there, then it's like, so I'm into it.
01:03:22
Speaker
Make it a little bit less of a drawback to, you know, burn draws or so or burn energy. And it only bites you in the butt if like a location screws you or something, or if your opponent is playing Maximus or Mastermold. Like, you you're still getting to draw the card.
01:03:40
Speaker
yeah And i won't lie, I love having cards that are synergistic enough to clue because it's in a 12 card deck. You never just have like free slots generally. I love having one little small card that I also don't mind just throwing to a, um, what, Vormir, you know?
01:03:57
Speaker
Yes. Or like when you need to sacrifice a card, you know, or do something like that. It's just kind of like having that is nice. This is that kind of thing. yeah Speaking of Vormir and the altar of death type things like, oh, if you play Mad Thinker on Unrevealed, that's a hell of a way to camp out and just like claim that location.
01:04:19
Speaker
yeah Yeah. He can if you do it right, you could get bigger than a than a doombat. Yeah. Yeah, I really like this card. I think it's very good.
01:04:32
Speaker
It's got to be in the right deck, though. Yeah, you have to build a deck. I don't know if it's very good, but it's 1-5 pretty easy, right? And yeah one seven not an uncommon amount of the time, I would think. That's a lot of stats.
01:04:48
Speaker
Other cards that showed up in the datamines, not with any pictures, abilities, release dates, anything like that, but just their name, Galactus First Steps. And then this next six, it made it made Scott Denham theorize that we're getting a Heralds of Galactus season.
01:05:04
Speaker
I only know a few of these characters, and most of them because of the podcast, but Fire Lord, Stardust, Cosmic Ghost Rider, Redshift, Terax, and Frankie Ray. Seems fun, yeah and I think a Galactus season pass would sell very well.
01:05:19
Speaker
Absolutely. Oh, don't want a bunch of Galactus. Yeah. We already knew that Terax was coming because of that tamed at Axe Point title from Tidal Tussle. Yep. Yeah, I know him from that. i know Fire Lord from Secret Homework. ah Hero Clicks.
01:05:36
Speaker
Yeah. I hope Fire Lord is less broken Marvel Snap than Fire Lord was in early Hero Clicks. Just too powerful. Okay.
01:05:50
Speaker
Next up, May season rankings. This is where we give cards one through four points. That's it. That's all you can do. Give them one through four points. um You can talk about it, too. um About cards that are coming starting next week.
01:06:05
Speaker
Esme Cuckoo, three, four, our season pass card on reveal. Copy a card from your deck into your hand. Set its cost to three and power to four. Ryu first.
01:06:17
Speaker
Okay. um I gave this one a three. Honestly, would have been a two because when I first look at it, I think of things like anti-venom and stuff, but this is better. One, not just because it's cheaper, um which is obvious, but it's capping it into your hand. You know what I mean Like, it is giving you a card.
01:06:36
Speaker
But... um Doesn't feel necessarily maybe like a four four, like an auto-include in every deck, just because that's at that three cost.
01:06:47
Speaker
So that's where I put her. I could be wrong. She could be more powerful. She's really hard to evaluate, I think.
01:06:57
Speaker
Ben? No, well, I guess so, but three and four is such, you have to build so specifically for her. Ah, now I'm like, should I have put her a two instead? Three, four, like there are cards, there are cards that would love to be three, four, say Iron Man would love to be three, four.
01:07:11
Speaker
But yeah, I think the deck building stuff, I've been wondering like, is this kind of like Pixie where it's actually kind of like a huge deck building burden? Ben doesn't think so. Ben no and likes getting a copy of a card. Because it's a copy. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do. But it's a three, four. Yeah.
01:07:26
Speaker
yeah I know you don't care in it i know you don't care a surfer deck about turning something into a 3-4. Let's just start with surfer. This is not just a surfer card, but name a card that goes in Silver Surfer that you don't want a 3-4 copy of. Yeah. You're right.
01:07:41
Speaker
Especially all my little tech cards that I get. You love a 3-4. You're so big, then. If one of you comes up with one, I will... I don't know. I'll draw you a little picture or something. Gladiator. Gladiator.
01:07:55
Speaker
Okay, boom, Lauren, I'll draw you a little picture. But what were you doing playing Gladiator and Silver Surfer in 2025? Yeah, was going say, in the past. Yeah. Yeah.
01:08:08
Speaker
So, yeah, ah yeah, Esme Cuckoo goes in the Silver Surfer easily, but, like, in like this is, like, a Frigga that, like, looks forward instead of backwards.
01:08:21
Speaker
And that, like, Frigga succeeds despite herself, like, the backwards-looking nature of her copying a card and, like, generating a, like...
01:08:33
Speaker
She's so limited by the fact that it has to be the thing you just played that you're getting frigate copy of. But like, Esme Cuckoo is like giving you ah card that you haven't even drawn yet. Like this is just like, you might not draw.
01:08:50
Speaker
Yeah. Like this is like one of the best versions of drawing a card. Like you're, you're drawing a card and guaranteeing that you can play it next turn. Like it's, this is a very good card.
01:09:00
Speaker
This, this card is like, this is one of the best versions of on reveal draw a card we've ever seen. And we've seen some good on reveal draw cards like Loki and stuff. Like this, this one is nuts. That's what think. Yeah, you're right. I think you're wrong. I think you should have given her a four. You convinced me.
01:09:18
Speaker
That's a big swing. Two to four. um I had her as four, but I admit I was pretty tentative about it. Like it's draw a card and it's draw a card that you put in your deck on purpose. So it's a good card. um I mean, and unless you draw like a cord rock or something that would suck.
01:09:33
Speaker
um I know I invoke Arnim Zola a lot, but just like think about that. That three, four Arnim Zola would be gorgeous. Uh-huh.
01:09:43
Speaker
Yeah, it's like it's a hint of four because I can see her being really good, but I do think that there are deck building challenges with her. course, there are plenty of of decks. Surfer is ah an example where like kind of anything can be three, four and it's fine.
01:09:56
Speaker
Mm hmm. Three, four America Chavez kind of meh. I mean, that's like the worst case scenario.
01:10:05
Speaker
And it's still pretty good, right? It's not bad. Like you if that's all you've got to play, it's fine. Um, yeah, I would do three and a half if I could, but I can't.
01:10:16
Speaker
So I'm committing to the four.
01:10:20
Speaker
Surge. Two two on reveal. Give the top card of your deck minus one cost and plus one power after you play it. Repeat this ability.
01:10:32
Speaker
Ben.
01:10:35
Speaker
Uh, I'm going up to six forks on this one Five out of four for a surge. That's right. The scale doesn't even go this high. Oh my gosh. This card is nuts. What are we, what are we doing here? Like, uh, it's weird that they think that they're like, but what was that other Mr. Fantastic first steps?
01:10:56
Speaker
This is just Mr. Fantastic first steps with like one less point of power. um You're exaggerating a little bit. A little bit. It requires you to play the card you top deck.
01:11:08
Speaker
You're going to, though.
01:11:11
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, this is a ridiculously... the Wow. Yeah, Fastos Shih Tzu.
01:11:21
Speaker
Are they going to buff Fastos into relevance? Let him die? No, they're going to let him languish. He's he's never doing anything. Or do you rework it? A card that barely happened.
01:11:32
Speaker
yeah um Yeah, I don't really have much to say about Surge except that like just play it in a deck that has a lot of three cost cards. Or four cost cards. You can go up to four because you'll draw it and it'll cost three.
01:11:47
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Just i don't play anything that costs more than four and play surge and win. I gave her a four. You have to put her into a ah lower curve deck, but there are lower curve decks that are good. ah Bast Havoc is one of them that I love.
01:12:00
Speaker
And Surfer is another one. That's great. Four is a really great place to like top out. Like you don't need fives and sixes. Four is four is fine. And ah if yeah, you're guaranteed to be able to play the card next turn.
01:12:12
Speaker
If you know. I know. This card's not nuts. What are they thinking? I don't get it. don't get it.
01:12:21
Speaker
Reed, do you have strong feelings about Surge? um No, I just agreed. I also, like, pretty mean, you know, gave her a 4-4. I would always kind of pick her for sure over Psylocke.
01:12:33
Speaker
Even though Psylocke, the one thing she would have up is if you already have that 4 cost in your hand that you want to play out. But why wouldn't you just gamble on, like, the better ability it feels like?
01:12:45
Speaker
of Surge for that slot. And also, every fucking time I see this card, it makes me think of that Slay the Spire robot card that, like, loops your... Yeah, anyway.
01:12:58
Speaker
If you know, you know. If you play Slay the Spire, Surge also make you think of that? um Those are my thoughts on Surge. I agree. She's just... I want i would want to play her all the time and everything.
01:13:10
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
01:13:12
Speaker
She does seem really fun and ah great for for team small cards. and She's not bad in a bigger curve deck either, though. Like, making one of your six cost costs cost five, I'm fine with that.
01:13:23
Speaker
I can't maybe loop her ability that way, but, like, fine with that. Okay. Put it in your doom ah the that Deck Ben was saying earlier. We're skipping energy for Bruce Banner and you have Doom 2099 and you're putting all that nonsense together.
01:13:40
Speaker
i don't know i don't know you I don't know if I pitched that deck. That that sounds like a deck that you have made just now. It has Emperor Hulkling in it, right?
01:13:51
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, sounds about right. Prodigy, maybe. yeah i you'd You'd play Hulkling at 5.13, wouldn't you? Yeah, actually. 5.14 now? That sounds about right. Yeah, I think that sounds like a fair deal.
01:14:07
Speaker
Yeah. ah Prodigy 3.4, on reveal, if this is in the back row, copy the text of the card in front of it. ah We already said with Esme that three four is a stat line that many cards like. ah there are you know Iron Man is like the low-hanging fruit of like, yeah, i want a three-f four Iron Man.
01:14:26
Speaker
No, this is so awkward, though, because what you're going to be copying is going to be a lower-cost card. You know what mean? So it's like, what, like the hood and stuff, which is like a wacky deck you're building or something.
01:14:40
Speaker
But it's like, for Surfer, what, the cards you'd want to copy would be like a Sage and stuff like that, but you're not playing those cards out generally that early. it's just like... That would be alright.
01:14:53
Speaker
Yeah, I think maybe if you're... If you're really lucky, maybe you get like a Captain Carter and like you're you're doing like an extra half a Captain Carter there in the back row. Like I, I don't see this card.
01:15:06
Speaker
ah Have any of us given a number about it yet? No, I was. It's my turn in the rotation. i gave it a three. I think it'll be fine, but it is definitely awkward. um You can't you can't copy ambitious abilities. But hey, there are some that are fine.
01:15:22
Speaker
Ant-Man. Ant-Man's fine. Three eight. That's fine. You're playing a 3-4 that sometimes is Ant-Man? Yeah. Look, I have other things in my deck that I want it to be also.
01:15:35
Speaker
But, like, the problem with Surfer often is you already have so many cards you want to hold back that are, like, three costs till the end. Like the aforementioned Sage or Wolfsbane or, like, Surfer himself. like Maybe it's not a Surfer card.
01:15:50
Speaker
That's what I'm saying. That seems worrisome. If this card isn't a surfer card, then what is it? Then where? It feels awkward in a hood deck for a lot of ways because you've got so many other things you're putting in there and doing. i don't know. It seems awkward to me.
01:16:08
Speaker
I already sent a piece on it, I'm going to give it a 2. didn't want to give him 1. Yeah, that's where am. ah two and give him a one but like it's yeah exactly that's where i am and I'm very politely extending a two ah to this fella.
01:16:25
Speaker
um Prodigy. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a one, though. Honestly. But, like, like the the ability has potential. see the potential.
01:16:37
Speaker
i just don't... I can't imagine what it looks like in practice. i just i don't I just don't see it. i will i will drop to a two, because... You two are probably right. I'm probably applying too much of my... This looks like a fun, quirky, silly thing to do um Putting too much subjective spin on this ranking. think it'll find a spot. Just like Frigga did. I think it'll find ah place to... Maybe.
01:17:05
Speaker
copy bullseye. That's a good point of comparison. Maybe. That might literally be Maybe it is just niche as hell.
01:17:17
Speaker
Oh, Frigga deserves better than just like like cloning mass murderers. I don't know. I'm sad for the Norse goddess, to be honest.
Card Abilities and Strategic Debates
01:17:26
Speaker
It is a bit of a bummer. She'd be so fun at 2.
01:17:31
Speaker
Or if her on reveal was to copy the next card you play. Too powerful at 2, probably. That's what it used to be, right? And then she changed... What was that? It's too good to copy something at two. Yeah, it is. I agree. Two cost Frigga is too good.
01:17:44
Speaker
I feel like, didn't her original text, her original datamined text, wasn't it the next card you play? No, I think it's always been the previous card, I think. Mm-hmm. Well, we could we could ah live fact check that, but we're going to go on to Elixir. I kind of think we should.
01:18:00
Speaker
the The audience needs to know now. We'll come back to it. I'll fact check it while one of you is talking about Elixir. how about that? um You go first, Ben.
01:18:11
Speaker
Oh, fair enough. All right. So we talked about Prodigy, and that was my one... Elixir is yet like well is a 2-3. we haven't i don't know if we've ever talked about his ability because it changed.
01:18:24
Speaker
We have talked about it. We'll talk about it when we do the rankings. No, wait we talked about this change. Not at length. On reveal, one of your cards destroyed last turn gets revived here. Tell me what you think.
01:18:38
Speaker
I think that i I hope I got it all out of my system with prodigy. Cause there are no more bad cards to dunk on. Uh, that was, that was the one this season.
01:18:49
Speaker
Um, elixir gets four out of four. Cause, uh, just like huge fat. Like if, if we're giving prodigy points for vague potential, like, uh, elixir, like, did you have a big thing?
01:19:05
Speaker
Play venom on it. Get the big thing back. Like, There are so many ways. like Cards get destroyed all the time, and most of them were worth playing the first time, so they're worth getting back from a 2-3 with a perfectly like decently statted body. like What is going on?
01:19:26
Speaker
It's a real good card. easy. Easy 4. That's my feeling. easy four that's my feeling
01:19:33
Speaker
I guess we'll keep rotation order. um i I gave it a three because i think that most of the cards you want to destroy ah don't destroy. Take your X-23s, Wolverines, Deadpool, Sabertooth.
01:19:49
Speaker
and Nimrod's an okay one to revive, but you're doing that on turn six. Like little awkward. Actually, that's very difficult to do. Don't do this with Nimrod. I don't know know if this goes with those cards.
01:20:01
Speaker
Um, right. I don't think it does. And that's what most destroy things are. If you're playing it with misery what are you going to, you're going gamble on your chance to revive a hood. Like I just, and, and if you're doing your venom plan, you have to destroy one card only to ensure that elixir is only reviving that one and not the other dinky thing that you already played there. Like, uh, it's going to be a cool ability sometimes, but I think it's, it seems really unwieldy.
01:20:27
Speaker
Hmm. But like, what do you, what do you loot? It's a two, three on reveal. a the cost lott It's a slot in your deck, though. I would have given it a 2.5 if I could, begrudgingly upgraded 3.
01:20:46
Speaker
But look at this. Think about all the hype for fire hair and how OP fire hair is. and are we like Are we seeing a rain of terror of fire hair? She's still good.
01:20:57
Speaker
I'm not saying she's not good. I'm just saying fire hair works. You just put her down and she just works. this is what You need to time this one. specifically to the turn after the card you destroyed, it seems to me like it probably kind of maybe narrowly goes into a mill deck, you know what I mean Like, and kind of thing. Because that's where they cards that got destroyed, you know, like you might want to revive with your like cables and whatnot.
01:21:24
Speaker
So, like, think it's a rough card. I don't see the four stars here. Do not see it. Time will tell. ha ha. ka Before we talk about Zorn, my fact check Frigga has always had the same text but when we first saw her she was a 4-6 Oh gross She didn't release at 4-6, that's what she was first in the datamines Finally, for May Zorn, a two three After any 3 or 4 cost card is played here move it to another location Reed, you to take this one? Because we skipped you for elixir
01:22:05
Speaker
Um, this is, so for me, like, like, I like, it's probably not enough nonsense. Like, it's a move card. It's kind of like Tobias and the cards that came out this week, where my fun one that pulled me was Batroc the Leaper.
01:22:23
Speaker
And i think this one will be really good the move stuff. Um, you know, that Ben does. And so I give it a three. um but it's, you know, it feels like,
01:22:38
Speaker
I mean, it is any... Okay, fine. I give it... consider the screen potential? Yeah, you're right. is... Because it's like any... Like the offensive ability of it feels feels pretty good.
01:22:54
Speaker
i would to give it i want to give it a 3.5, but you know... Ben's going to talk about and it'll be a 4 for me, I'm sure, because I'm already halfway there. Okay. Are we counting on it being like Echo, which I think is a reasonable thing to expect that your opponent just forgets it's there? and Yeah, I think that'll sometimes happen.
01:23:13
Speaker
I think it'll be a little easier to remember than Echo. But I don't know. Maybe it won't. I hope it won't. Wow, that'll be fun. if Wow, if we if we all treat it like Echo, that could be cool. Okay.
01:23:27
Speaker
But yeah, I would give it four. I'd give it four. Really? Yeah. yeah um my gosh. Like for one thing, it's just a real cool way just, just think, think of those TVA games and play Zorn on two vulture on three. I mean, you gotta, you probably have to snap before you play Zorn on two.
01:23:47
Speaker
Well, I'm just, I'm just always not thinking about the TVA games. ah But like this, this card like works. the the The symmetricality of it really is just like it didn't need to be that good.
01:24:00
Speaker
um i would be excited if it were just my three or four cost cards or just their three or four cost cards. But yeah, the you just, it's so two three And you put it in a deck with Kraven and a bunch of other cards that cost two, and you win.
01:24:18
Speaker
It's, and well, also some threes. You're going to want to play some threes, because your opponent won't be playing all the threes. but They'll play some threes on Zorn for sure, sometimes. um Yeah, I'm wondering, which of your cards do you want here? Vulture, obviously, but what else?
01:24:33
Speaker
Redwing? mean, yeah Yeah. Red Wing, Hydrastomper. We'll go on a few kooky decks, you know? Not just move. Yeah. I... you You mostly just want to be moving cards for the sake of moving cards very often.
01:24:49
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And this is just like a way to... And you can... I mean, have we considered what this will do if you try to get cute and combine Jean Grey? um Have we... I think this is a really interesting card. It does sound really cute. I do like being cute. just want to do high-volume move shenanigans with Kraven and Kingpin.
01:25:13
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I guess we can play Scream, too, although mostly I'm here for Kraven and Kingpin. But like yeah, I'm psyched. I'm committing, Ben. If you build a Jean Grey Zorn deck, I will play it.
01:25:26
Speaker
I don't think I will, but you never know. I really, know, when we were talking a few weeks ago about like cards, we were wrong about it. I think I forgot to mention Jean Grey. I thought Jean Grey would be pretty cool, but Jean Grey has not actually been all that cool. Unfortunately. Nope.
01:25:42
Speaker
I'm giving, I'm giving Zorna to lowest ranking of the season. Well, you guys talked me down to two on Prodigy also. ah i I don't get it. And and I fully acknowledge what that Ben knows more about... You've seen Topaz doing work. Topaz is better than this.
01:26:02
Speaker
What? You think this is better than Topaz? Yeah, probably. This is so much less controlled. It's 2-3. 2-3 is already better than three four Yeah, but it only works on threes and fours.
01:26:15
Speaker
What fours are you playing? But like also. Fanfey.
01:26:22
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. You play Zorn on the right and then you play Fanfey and it doesn't matter where Fanfey lands. Question mark, question mark, profit. Yeah, actually, um honestly, like that, like as long as Fanfey is in the left or the middle lane, you're going to find something to do.
01:26:40
Speaker
Like, you'll you'll get some value out of that for sure. But, like, yeah, mostly you want to throw Vulture and Redwing on it, and that those two are enough. That's two good threes.
01:26:51
Speaker
That's all you need. A little three-card package. It helps you dictate, like makes you know where your opponent is going to play stuff. So when you're playing like in conquest, you know, when you're like, well, okay, the five drop and six drops they have are going to go here in this location.
01:27:08
Speaker
And since I know what that is, maybe I can counter to do something about it. And I know they're going to play their other cards, you know, here. So, I mean, it's always. it It's got that like that nebula factor where you and you like you're dictating where they play and stuff.
01:27:22
Speaker
It gives you percentages of guessing their plays better. yeah I cannot see this two three not being, like, yeah. that This is a very impactful ability on a 2-3 body. I just, I don't see how this card doesn't rip it in half.
01:27:37
Speaker
think it is really cool defensively, but you have to you have to back that up somehow. and and I don't know. Maybe it is just in like a super low cost. It's not as defensive because it's after it's played there. So they're still going to Red Guardian you, you know, you're not jugging something.
01:27:52
Speaker
i feel like it's more ah offensive. They can't keep power there. But that's what I'm saying. That's why it's offensive. i guess just it's just how I'm looking at the terms. Semantics. You can put it on a lane where like you've already loaded up. You've played the three that you wanted to keep there or whatever, and then you play Zorn on four with another two, and it's balanced breakfast. I think that's the best bet. A lunch rather at that point.
01:28:14
Speaker
Right, if you have Pryo and you play it on two and you get him on something. I don't Mm-hmm.
01:28:23
Speaker
That's where my friend would be. um'm not I'm not swayed. i would be interested to see this card be good, but I just don't get it. um
01:28:33
Speaker
A lot of it, quite frankly, a lot of it depends on how flashy its animation is. Right? Yeah, that does make a difference, its to be honest. I've accidentally played on Cosmo, but I still accidentally play on Echo sometimes.
01:28:47
Speaker
um Well, I should say my opponents actually play sometimes, because I play Echo a lot more than my opponents do.
01:28:57
Speaker
Cosmo we're all conditioned to avoid feel like I don't know I don't know how true that is I used to play on Cosmo by accident I think the only Cosmos that get me are the unrevealed Cosmos when they have priority I know to look out for that I don't play with the sound on so I don't get the barking but okay finally we'll go on to our side quests first up and only this week Secret homework.
Personal Favorites: Video Game Soundtracks
01:29:28
Speaker
Reassigned it this week. What was our secret homework? Okay. um The secret homework was to bring one ah video game, you know, like soundtrack or video game adjacent music thing. And the real rule is to limit it to one because we know we all have a ton.
01:29:49
Speaker
And we're like, hey, we can revisit It's already a long one. So um we all... picked one beloved video game music like thing. And mine is, um you know, i am getting work done when my my Spotify recommends list is all lo-fi video game remixes, because that's like, basically, that's what I listen to, like when I'm working, because like, were You know, lyrics throw me off and stuff. And I love video game music and lo-fi remixes of it. Like the exact like chill kind of ah living day-to-day things, you know? When we were young, we all loved, at least I did like really edgy, raw music all the time. And now it's like, i can't handle it.
01:30:35
Speaker
on a daily basis. All right. So um my my ah one of a a artist I really love in this category that I found early on into my forays into video game remixes is an artist called Wizard Loneliness.
01:30:54
Speaker
Which is already like, I'm always into a wizard. I get the the edgy teenage vibe. At the time, think maybe because i don't know. It was like their, don't know if it's still their profile.
01:31:05
Speaker
But it was a picture of Hiro Yui from Gundam Wing. From Gundam Wing. Oh, yes. Which was like my, like Hiro was my like analog character. It such a depressed teenager, to be honest And so I really connected already before the music on the basis. Now, what they're most known for is an album called Divine Beats.
01:31:29
Speaker
And it came after Tears of the Kingdom um Legend of Zelda game came out. And what Wizard of Loneliness does a lot is mix, not just lo-fi remixes of like a video ah game music, but he'll combine it with like sometimes with popular music.
01:31:48
Speaker
and like mix them all up together. And there's so much of it that is so good. So if you would go to his page, you'd find like Divine Beats is like his number one album. um One thing like there's this part, there's this song where he uses, if you've played to not choose a kingdom, I've also played that, but like Breath of the Wild. Sorry. I may also have said Cheers of the Kingdom before when I meant Breath of the Wild, meant Breath of the Wild.
01:32:12
Speaker
um There's that cooking sound that plays when you cook, and it's such like an amazing, like, oh, just hearing that somehow feels like home to me. So um there's one song in there that utilizes that song, and it's like so chill.
01:32:26
Speaker
But um the other albums I would really recommend are Axe for Final Fantasy ten um a lot of good remixes of FF10 music, I think.
01:32:38
Speaker
um It's more popular music. And the Animal Crossing um album that he did called New Horizons was NU as the new.
01:32:49
Speaker
And it's like that is it is both so chill. There's some that's really cozy and chill. And then there's sometimes where he's like, I think sometimes he does his own vocals. or collaborates for him where it's playing this like a beat animal crossing music and he's singing about like i feel so goddamn empty i'll make a room i'll make a room in this house and it's that the epitome of that like comic you see of like people it's like you know like vacuum the rug get ready for work and it's this smiling normal human being and then there's the one panel that's like ignore the existential dread ignore it
01:33:22
Speaker
ignore it and it's like panic phase and then it goes back to okay like primp your hair you know and it's like the song like gets that vibe um but a lot of it's like also happy and stuff don't let convince you it's dark so those are the albums that I would I would put forth to check out first from um from Wizard of Loneliness if you wanted to do that are my recommends I do want to do that that sounds great um And I love Animal Crossing soundtrack so much. You have to try out the New Horizons a little bit.
01:33:56
Speaker
I have to. um I love both the like environmental music and ambient stuff and and also all the K.K. Slider songs, of course. um I've always loved K.K. Slider like since the GameCube Animal Crossing.
01:34:10
Speaker
But oh right when COVID started, ah was locked up with my brother and and my and my kid. And we played so much... New Horizons. I could name any K.K. Slider song from the first like five seconds of the song.
01:34:25
Speaker
doubt I could do that anymore. i'd I'd be able to get a few of them, though. Anyway, my pick is... um so i believe it started as an iOS game, but you can get it on Steam now. It's called Sword and Sorcery, but spelled S-W-Sorcery.
01:34:41
Speaker
um It's this beautiful pixel art game, and music was heavily inspired, and like it's kind of like... the basis on which this video game unfolded.
01:34:52
Speaker
Um, highly recommend it. If you can get it sword and sorcery, but the album sword and sorcery LP, the ballad of the ballad of the space babies. love it.
01:35:03
Speaker
It's a great name. It has been my like, and I I'm the same way. I don't want something lyrical while I'm writing or programming or anything like that. Like I can't have words in and words out at the same time.
01:35:14
Speaker
So while I'm often ah an audio book or podcast girly, when I'm doing something wordy, I need something that's non-lyrical. and And this is like my go-to.
01:35:26
Speaker
i cycle through a bunch of stuff, but this is my go-to. to As soon as I hear dark flute, the first track, I'm just like, boy I just get into the zone because I've always used it that way. um but Yeah, your ritual for focus. It's amazing. yeah So i highly recommend you find a ritual album like that. But anyway, this one is very good for that.
01:35:44
Speaker
um album is solid and it has so much variety. I'm not very gifted at talking about music, but I highly recommend checking it out. It also has a remix album. or It was it was like remixes by Japanese artists, I think, and it's called Scythian Steps, and that one's also great.
01:36:00
Speaker
Be excited for the links.
01:36:04
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Well, i had a lot of difficulty deciding on a thing. I thought about switching at the end because... My game was mentioned at one point.
01:36:19
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um So i don't know. i I had some some other options that also had X's in the title. was like, I'll just bring three of them with X's, three PS2 games with X in the title.
01:36:35
Speaker
But I'm not going to tell you what the other two X-titled ones were. I'm just going to say it's Final Fantasy X. That's the one I'm going with. music in final fantasy 10 is very good. I feel about it very strongly.
01:36:50
Speaker
uh, you know, when I hear it makes me, you know, have things in my heart, you know, I love all the, i don't I don't know why they didn't reuse any of it in Final Fantasy X too. That was a very bold swing. And like, you honestly kind of have to kind have to respect it when like the the first one has like such a such a good soundtrack with so many wonderful themes.
01:37:16
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ah Like, you know, like yeah you got to love Oren's theme. You got to love Titus's theme. You got to love Eunice's theme. I mean, like you just yeah you got to love all these themes, you know?
01:37:26
Speaker
For those who don't know, for instance, the Titus theme is all like.................. bu but but but but but but but but but by why but but but bla and but but bla bla one um butpa um a but but a bla bla a and more have ever more why why Well done.
01:37:59
Speaker
Well done. Well done. Well done. and boy and after yes bla bla bla blah bla um wa up wa um yeah um one um but but but but but but but a da
01:38:31
Speaker
ah ah and then I don't know if this is legal. That's how Titus's theme goes, more or less, from Final Fantasy X. I'm really sick, and I took some liberties, but that's that's that's about the gist. There are bajillion pieces of music each.
01:38:50
Speaker
And everyone just that memorable. How about that Blitzball theme, huh? but the With the strange little whip, whip, whip, whip.
01:39:01
Speaker
yeah You know you got like gotta to love that Blitzball theme. Gotta love that Mount Gagazette music. that That, you know, i mean kicking it with the Ronso up there. You know, with the mountain winds a blowing and it's all like...
01:39:12
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i um
01:39:20
Speaker
why when boy wa where where what you know and we all know that that classic mountain music gagazette you know i have not played this back back home at besaid you get the the the sweet the sweet guitars the the the
01:39:42
Speaker
You you know, you you all know the ones and that that beautiful, that beautiful piano theme to Zanarkand in the beginning with all the. bla bla bla pop but but boy but but but grandpa but bla bla my bla you You know the one.
01:40:01
Speaker
You know. we all know these songs. These are universal experiences. Lauren. No, but like, yeah, Final Fantasy has got dope-ass soundtrack. That that that opening cutscene with the that with but that Well, not not that opening, but that yeah for that first FMV with the other world, big old metal doing the big blitz ball game, you know, the blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:40:29
Speaker
um bla yeah um whymar browner brown i but You don't know the ones. Is it all brass or is is plan just your syllable today? That's that's just why that's my scale syllable of illness today. i just I can't make pretty sounds so everything has to be you know.
01:40:47
Speaker
I got it because you're like that piano track and then you start born and I was like. Yep. Everything sounds like that. Everything. lots lots ah Lots of good tracks in final Fantasy
01:41:00
Speaker
doesn't have but It doesn't have my favorite battle theme. Favorite battle theme is from Final Fantasy VIII. But also the one from VII is obviously, you know, it's very good. You know, you know, you know, you know, one we all know that I played VII and VIII, not to completion.
01:41:15
Speaker
haven't finished Final Fantasy VIII either, but it does have a better battle theme than Final Fantasy we all know that we have played seven and eight not to completion i haven't finished final fantasy eight either but it does have a better battle theme than final fantasy time I've started Final Fantasy VIII a lot.
01:41:34
Speaker
One day. One day.
01:41:37
Speaker
that's That's games. I guess I have to assign a secret homework. So... If you were going to do some, okay, let's see what are, what's another Marvel movie coming out?
01:41:50
Speaker
Thunderbolts asterisk, Thunderbolts asterisk. So I would like each of us to design a card for one of the characters in Thunderbolts asterisk.
01:42:03
Speaker
Um, i I don't think you're supposed to say the asterisk, but I like to pretend that you are supposed to say it. Um, And ah do a Fantastic Four first steps, except, you know, do like a White Widow Thunderbolts asterisk or like Red Guardian Thunderbolts asterisk or Bucky Barnes Thunderbolts asterisk.
01:42:28
Speaker
Or maybe maybe just Winter Soldier. Maybe Bucky Barnes doesn't even have to die. for ah maybe Maybe that's it. Maybe Winter Soldier gets his own card. Maybe the egg that's the thing. I don't know. But we should confer off the air and make sure we're not doubling up on characters from Thunderbolts Asterisk.
01:42:47
Speaker
Hear, hear. Okay, that's a fun one. And I'm excited for that movie. i If you liked what you heard today... ah Find us on news Twitter, YouTube, wherever.
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01:43:15
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01:43:57
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I did have some 10 thoughts that there was not an appropriate time. Yeah, please. I saw you trying. Okay. One...
01:44:09
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Like on the 10 mix I ma and mentioned from Wizard of Loneliness, if you are a 10 fan, one of the tracks is Yuna. The repeat clip is Yuna going, I believe in you. And it's like some days I'm just in my heart. I just put it on and I'm just like, Yuna believes in me. So if you need that in your life, listen to this track.
01:44:29
Speaker
And also, yeah, I had played 10, like many of the Final Fantasy games of which I have finished 10. Several. Definitely not all. I've played all of them, like, at least a little bit.
01:44:42
Speaker
But, um, time I played early to young, but I never, like, like, I never finished it. I had never even gotten super far in it. Um, I, the laugh scene was always kind of, like, a joke to me. i always, it always seemed like the silly one, because, like, you know, it's all happy and beach and stuff, so. There's nothing wrong with the laugh scene.
01:45:02
Speaker
I'm, I'm just, I'm gonna get out there and say it. It's fine. It's just fine, people. The problem was with me, definitely. FFX always seemed like the goofy one. And i had not so i had just and it was just not one I'd ever been that interested in going back and playing. i kind of missed it in its heyday.
01:45:23
Speaker
like I said, the spoilers for FFX plot, if that matters to you. but like So I went and I played it as an adult in the last like three years. um Finally went through and played it all the way through.
01:45:36
Speaker
And it got to the end and it got me somehow, somehow in like decades of having not played this game, I didn't know the ending of the game. Like it hadn't really been spoiled for me. And at the end, I keep going like, because I'm like, the whole point I was begrudging the game, the whole plot. Because I'm like, I know they're just going to get out of this. Yuna's going to get out of this.
01:45:56
Speaker
You know, it ti to everyone's going to be happy. This all kind of the struggle feels meaningless. Yeah. And then at the end they go there and it is, he's just a dream and he has to go. And I know they like kind of made another game where they like retcon and stuff, but you can see, you know, like the original intention of the game was that like, it's just like, oh, he's so, and I like, it like, was like, no way, no way. and I'm like, he's gone. It just like, it impacted me so hard, even so later. Like 10, I think is so is an actual real masterpiece of an FF game.
01:46:28
Speaker
It's a special one. It's a special one. So I did. I finished it late. I've only finished one, and it was Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, and I love that game. I know if that counts as a real... It counts!
01:46:42
Speaker
I think it does. World of the... Yeah, it's a very well-regarded game. Yeah, it was the first one with Ivalice. Isn't that where 14 is? Well, it's not the first. I believe the first one with Ivalice was Final Fantasy Tactics on the PlayStation.
01:46:58
Speaker
Oh, shit. Okay, the second one, then.