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46: Robot Means Activate
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For our esteemed listeners’ consideration:
- 🫰 Weeks in Snap (pretty snappy 🙏)
- 👹 Dormammu follow up 🔮 Clea & 🫧 Astral Projection
- Fantastic Four 4️⃣ Season Rankings 👎👎👍👍
- Secret Homework 🙊: (There can only be one!) VGM related recommend 🎶🎧🎶
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Credits:
- Cover art by Lauren
- Snap On This!! Theme by Ben
- YouTube thumbnail by Lauren’s kid, Reggi
Timestamps:
- 0:00:00 Intro / Our Week in Snap
- 0:19:03 Dormammu
- 0:21:44 Clea
- 0:27:19 Astral Projection
- 0:32:15 July Card Ratings
- 1:14:24 Secret Homework: Secret Homework: Twist an Existing Mode
- 1:22:50 Next Week's Secret Homework
- 1:23:51 Housekeeping / Closing Remarks
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Transcript
Introduction to Snap on This Episode 46
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello and welcome to episode 46 of Snap on This, a Marvel Snap podcast. This week's secret homework, share a second piece of video game music. I'm your host, Lauren Wodevs, here with my usual co-hosts.
00:00:13
Speaker
First up, Ben,
Ben's Week in Marvel Snap
00:00:14
Speaker
how was your week in Snap? And keep it snappy. My week in Snap, endeavoring to keep it snappy, as I so often do, i was pretty good because it's been all Sanctum Showdown all the time. And I love Sanctum Showdown.
00:00:29
Speaker
um I got Astral Projection real quick. I did not have this fun little glitch that gave you extra progress on the thing, but I still got it within 48 hours.
00:00:40
Speaker
And um I had a great time. I had a really good deck for it. a lot of people seemed to use it and get good results. I don't know. like The event is... There's still a little left, right? Oh, is it just the shop now?
00:00:57
Speaker
Oh, I can't play it anymore. What a bummer. Two days of shop. Shoot, I missed out. I was going to grind out a few more charms and get a full set of ah green glyph borders for myself. Dang it. Oh, well.
00:01:09
Speaker
Now I don't have enough to make the full Next time rolls around. That's fine. But yeah, I had charms galore. Never ran out of scrolls. It was super fun for me. I have a feeling it was not as fun for a lot of other players.
Critique of Sanctum Mode and Alternatives
00:01:20
Speaker
I'm actually pretty sure. i think... um I think the mode might be bad, like based on the ticketing and stuff and like the wide matchmaking banding. uh, I have a feeling that like the people who hate this motor are correct. And, uh, sure. I'm selfishly enjoying it, but I don't think it's like good,
00:01:40
Speaker
um for you know I think the gameplay is good. I think the gameplay is really fun and exciting. like I ah very much enjoy it. but like ooh Anywho, I'm sure we're going to talk about it.
00:01:51
Speaker
Or maybe we're not. I don't know. I don't remember what we're talking about. That's just what happened during my week in Snap. and ah It was a lot of Sanctum. Other than that, I've been playing a lot of Into the Breach. I've got to say, that probably saved... That probably made... I don't know.
00:02:05
Speaker
I worry that like whenever I was playing Sanctum, I was actively contributing it They're actively contributing it to its unfunness or whatever. i don't know.
00:02:16
Speaker
So I was like more than happy to fuck off and play some Into the Breach because that's on Netflix games. So I guess I'm already paying for it. So I might as well be playing Into the Breach, right? You really like it Netflix games. There's this host of like good quality games that you just get with your subscription.
00:02:33
Speaker
Yeah. if you've If you've got an iOS thing, you could be playing Hades. If if I make it sound like a lot of fun. um Or all of the Monument Valleys, which are excellent.
00:02:44
Speaker
I think maybe some of those are leaving or maybe not. I don't know. some Some games are leaving. Case of the Golden Idol is leaving and some other things are. But um you can still play it for now if you if you listen and decide you want to play Case of the Golden Idol real quick.
Gameplay Experiences and Listener Feedback
00:02:58
Speaker
But yeah, I had a great time in Sanctum, and I accidentally played a couple games of Snap here or there with ah with my Sanctum deck. I did this last time where my Sanctum deck was fine and constructed, so I did that, you know.
00:03:14
Speaker
i i never, yeah, and I don't know. I've played against a lot of Sanctum decks in Ranked, and I'm sure it was mostly by accident. That's the thing. Like, I especially think it's worth staying in because there's a good chance that your opponent is in the exact same situation and they are also playing a Sanctum deck or whatever.
00:03:33
Speaker
um But yeah, I had so much fun playing Sanctum. I hope they don't bring it back because I think it's like evil and bad. um But very fun for me. But what's evil and bad about it? I know I know like some people don't like how repetitive it is.
00:03:47
Speaker
Certainly the energy system isn't great. You lose twice and you're out of tickets. does yeah That feels bad. and like The energy system is awful. if If I think about how many games in a row I was winning, like how long it took me to disappear my two tickets, I was ruining the fun for so many people who weren't me.
00:04:05
Speaker
Like, it's not good. i don't I don't feel great about my involvement in the process. I mean, like, I know that, like, everyone's trying to win and, like... It's not my fault that I happened to be winning more than I was losing, but like I was winning a lot more than I was losing, and I think it's because of the matchmaking banding. I think they should have they should have sequestered me off to play with other scary players, and I should have had a 50% win rate instead of a Bananagram's win rate.
00:04:37
Speaker
I don't think this was good or smart. like they should keep the They should keep the scary people away from the people who are just trying to get the goddamn card. and like Right. when you're When you're going for extra green glyphs borders and somebody hasn't reached astral projection yet, I can see where that feels bad for everybody involved.
00:04:57
Speaker
Yeah. i I don't know. i don't And I got all the credits and things. Like... like it i've never I've never thought about getting borders under any other circumstance in Marvel Snap ever at all since borders were introduced. This was my first time being like, what kind of borders would I like? That's a problem. like Something's gone wrong if you've got me thinking about like, oh, I have an excess of this currency. I wonder what borders I should get. What the fuck is that? I don't do borders.
00:05:23
Speaker
like that Something went wrong here. I don't know. The matchmaking banding, I think, is the real problem. That and the tickets. The The game mode is super fun. And like, the thing is, I'm not saying I'm so great that like I shouldn't have a 50% win rate. They should have put me against people who were going to give me 50%
00:05:40
Speaker
Like, that's just like that there are there are people out there. I could have had a losing win rate if they'd been putting me against the correct people or something like I. I don't know.
00:05:50
Speaker
i think it's flawed. And I think that the people who were having a bad time were not having a bad time because like they're bad players or it's their fault or like they didn't understand the assignment or something.
00:06:01
Speaker
I think it's structured poorly, and I think it creates more misery for more people than it creates joy for, which is a shame because it was creating a lot of joy for me. I was having a
Rhi's Reflections on Sanctum and Game Strategy
00:06:13
Speaker
blast. I love taking candy from babies.
00:06:15
Speaker
Oh, my God. These fucking Guardians are chumps. I said it last week. I'll say it again. Chump city. ah My guess for how Second Dinner would answer that is, like, if they made the banding more narrow, then the queue times would be longer, which, like...
00:06:30
Speaker
i I think the people who log in to lose two games right away would get over it. Yeah. Okay. Rhi, how was your week in Snap? How did you like Sanctum?
00:06:41
Speaker
you um For my week in Snap, am become supervillain. ah oh um I've decided, yeah, so me myself up I'm a little under the weather today, so I'm not like being dramatic.
00:06:55
Speaker
It's just how I sound. Okay. um No, my Sanctum experience was not really enjoyable because I didn't get the exploit bug that, like, jumped you up super fast.
00:07:08
Speaker
And I didn't actually even run out of scrolls. Like, I won plenty. Ben, I used your deck the entire time. i started first, and I took my old deck, and I tried to, like, meld it with...
00:07:21
Speaker
with Batrock, the Leaper, and Silk, and go halfway between that. And still have Kitty, I do love Kitty. It's just like, you know, pain. But it was like, it was two split in directions, and ultimately, and like, it's got to be lean more into the move, and Ben already made that deck. So I just played that, and I did. I like won enough. I never, I was always like maxed out, like honestly, at 12 scrolls. I just didn't have that much time to grind this week.
00:07:48
Speaker
And when I first got in, I was excited to see the shop. And then very quickly I realized, like, oh, oh am I, and i like, you're only going to get enough to get the card?
00:07:59
Speaker
And then I was like, oh, no, am am I going to get the card? And I did. I got it yesterday, you know. And it was like, okay, I was able to do it without, like, nightmare grinding. But I don't know. It was just, like, a huge bummer to me.
00:08:15
Speaker
a lot of the time that was playing when I wanted to be experimenting with other decks and like doing other things, because I'd just been playing this one deck over and over again, which was a great deck, like I said, and it was winning, but it was like, you know, kind felt... the end, it wasn't winning as much. The meta had shifted, I thought. i was thinking about taking a second attempt, but there wasn't enough time left by the time I decided that.
00:08:39
Speaker
Anyway, sorry sorry for interrupting. Continue. Yeah...
00:08:46
Speaker
I was talking about Sanctum.
00:08:52
Speaker
So I don't know. So I just got bored of having to do that because that's what I had to do every night of the week. That was my time for Snap. And I was slightly stressed because I was worried I wasn't going to end up getting new card. And just got tired of doing the same thing over and over again.
00:09:09
Speaker
Do you have any sense of how long it took? Like, you got Astral Projection, right? Yes, I did. I it yesterday. you have sense long took without ever getting bug? And then I was done. I'm playing anymore.
00:09:24
Speaker
Yeah. yeah, before it ended, anyway. um How many hours? I don't know. But it was my playtime for, like, the whole week. Like, I maybe did a couple Conquests and some other nights trying like, lose some of those tickets. But, um...
00:09:40
Speaker
Yeah, so then I realized it's like, it's starting to feel like with Snap, like I'm paying for the privilege of not having fun. I've decided for at least, I'm just going to go down to free to play. I'm not going to buy the season pass.
00:10:01
Speaker
Because I think, honestly, I'll just enjoy it more if I'm less invested in it, which can't be a great thing to say about a game, especially with me, the super investor, and things I like, at least with my time and attention.
00:10:16
Speaker
And, you know, so... So, but it's like, I think that, you know, if I care less, I'll have more fun. So, um, then I was looking at like my future ahead and it's like, well, like if I'm not going to get Mr. Fantastic first steps and like, what am I going to, I'm not going to be playing him. So I guess, you know,
00:10:39
Speaker
By necessity, and must be against them and we must be enemies. That is the thing. And therefore, yes, this is the beginning my supervillain journey in which I would never consider... Okay, my brand of troll is more like the hair ones, you know? Especially if they have like little gems on their tummies. So like you know I'm not like an under the bridge kind of troll. Maybe a little bit of goblin.
00:11:04
Speaker
But like that's I'm like, um if I can't have the new cards, then what does that week come about? Countering the new cards. So it feels like that's like the era ahead of me. Because like I took some today and tried to play when I was supposed to be paying attention something else.
00:11:24
Speaker
And like... um like tried to play just some wacky old decks or something like that. And it just like, they were losing and that's like, well, that's not So it's like, I guess we're, I guess we're countering the meta.
00:11:39
Speaker
Anyway. So, um, oh yeah. My last bits for Weekend Snap, I did want to thank. I saw um one of our listeners, Sean, use my Nightmare deck to be a Kid Omega deck. Very satisfying. Thank you for sharing. Enjoyed that. And just, you know, in general, once again, thank you for paying us for podcasting with commenting and complimenting, you know, ourselves. so It's kind of like, it's like for me, it's like like I am a sim.
00:12:12
Speaker
probably trapped within four walls with no way out because in the old Sims, you could torture him that way. And then, yeah. And, but it's like, every time a see like, you know, and nice compliment or comment, it's like plus 50.
00:12:29
Speaker
My little Sim level goes up. It's always decreasing. It's like the sanity and don't starve, you know, it's just like a flower crown's not going to save this. So, you know, thank you. Appreciate you.
00:12:41
Speaker
um And that is, you know, that is me. We can snap. I know we we got to keep it snappy. this week that's right uh the diamond is a plumb bob by the way that's not what i was frantically looking for on my phone um i knew i knew there was a different name for it i i had a feeling that somebody would have the answer yeah i thought it might be a listener but nope nope she was on the call no i knew that one uh named after a tool that's that's uh that has a similar appearance um I was looking for the name of a YouTuber who I think has a smaller Snap channel, but had a video with just some like observations about Snap.
Insights on Player Behavior and Mental Health
00:13:24
Speaker
And one of them... Oh, I should say the name now that I've looked it up. um yeah This is HarryPerry13 underscore s Snap. um And it was a good video. And it was kind of just like he's been taking...
00:13:40
Speaker
ranked mode less seriously, trying to play fun decks and stuff like that. and as And as his rank plummeted, he noticed a different behavior in players that all of a sudden the players at lower ranks care more about winning, which might be contrary to what you think, right? Like you think the most competitive players at the top of the ladder are the ones who care the most, but they understand that you're not going to have a 100% win rate. They understand retreating is part of the game. They, ah you know, at lower levels,
00:14:08
Speaker
it really seemed like they had something to prove. And, you know, he's doing some interpretation off of like, emotes, but still, this is my experience too. This season I have dropped from like 5,000 rank when I first entered to 35,000 and that's not just decay, that's because I have been hunting clips all week long.
00:14:27
Speaker
I had seven this week, which is a shit ton and I'll talk about that just a little bit more when Astral Projection comes up. but by I don't think I've seen them all, I need to catch up. Yeah, by far the most I've had in a single week. And um and And I have noticed that too, where I retreat on turn two and somebody gives me the the sassy Deadpool.
00:14:49
Speaker
like You didn't do anything. It's just a bad location for me. Like, OK. You know, like they did something clever. Yes. I have a very shocking story. It's going to be quick. OK, so I had the bug that made the missions really big. I needed to gain 100 collection level. I needed to make 12 people retreat.
00:15:09
Speaker
I made 11 people retreat in Sanctum Showdown. um Anywho, I really wanted to finish it all in Sanctum Showdown. That's that's all. no I remember what made me think of it.
00:15:22
Speaker
ah In order to produce some retreats, I was dropping a few sassy Deadpool emotes when I did something sassy. And it it did get a retreat or two. Yeah, like on the one hand, I was doing it for the mission, though.
00:15:35
Speaker
But I think emoting for the psychological aspect of the game is OK, as long as you're not a dick once the game's over. Right. Yeah, I just I fist bumped everybody at the end, but like I just wanted those retreats and second dinner told me I needed 12 of them. What was I supposed to do?
00:15:51
Speaker
I've definitely dropped a strategic emote. Like somebody does something that that looks like it's ruined my plans and I'll drop, you know, Heimdall or Iceman like and then like I'm fine. I feel that bad about it because I'm saving these people time. They weren't going to get a bajillion charms like like go home with your however many charms you got. Making them retreat with rude emotes. You did them a favor.
00:16:12
Speaker
I don't feel good about it. I just thought I needed to come clean because it did seem relevant to what you're saying. Sorry about that. Anyway, you know, Rhi's talking about finding her own fun in Snap and, like, struggling with ladder and running into meta and, like, old decks are losing because, you know, power creep or whatever meta shifts.
00:16:30
Speaker
And I just, like, I felt that so profoundly this week where I'm just clip hunting and I can tell people are getting salty or sassy or rude and I'm just like... It's fine. I didn't hit my combo. I have a very straightforward goal. If I didn't hit it, I'm retreating and starting and trying again. Like I had this entirely separate objective from, from winning and it was so much better for my mental state. And normally I'm really good at the mental side of things, but I'm not immune to being tilted. It happens sometimes.
00:17:00
Speaker
Um, And I'm not good at getting off the game when I am tilted. that'st like It's rare when it happens, but I'm bad at taking care of myself when it does. So I'll just jump into a worse tilt.
00:17:13
Speaker
And then I'm being rude to my family. and so and i eventually go And I'm like, I'm sorry. This is because of the video game I'm playing. I'm turning it off now. But I realize, you know, an hour too late. um Anyway, the game has been so much more fun for me playing it at my own rate.
00:17:27
Speaker
I benefited from the Sanctum Bug. It let me skip the second tier on the ladder and the top tier. Like, is it librarian second from the top? I hit that and then immediately went to Sorcerer Supreme. was like, oh, I got the card in four and a half hours. Which...
00:17:43
Speaker
which it was it was only one day of playing for me but four and a half hours is a lot of time it is absolutely like yep a tavern brawl in hearthstone you you win one tavern brawl and you're all done that's their idea of a limited time mode i just think that the
Event Overload and Game Mode Suggestions
00:18:00
Speaker
modes are way too demanding and even this one which is much less demanding than kid omega from high voltage overdrive um and yeah know I've seen people lamenting like they didn't have enough time to climb ladder this week or they didn't have enough time to play Infinity Conquest. That's where I got Infinity really. And I think this is the new norm. like We're just going to be slammed with events constantly and you're going to have to prioritize. And as long as as long as cards are so expensive to acquire, people are going to prioritize getting a card even if it makes the game less fun for them.
00:18:32
Speaker
I know. I think you're right on the money there. Everything you said was true. Like, I really wish... I'm not opposed to more modes. I just think they need to be less demanding or have smaller prizing.
00:18:44
Speaker
Kind of hand-in-hand, right? Like, if the prizes are smaller, it's not as urgent for you to be playing every eight hours to get the, you know, Series 5 card or whatever. Anyway, we need to have a shorter show today. just I have a very busy weekend with family birthdays and reunions and the 4th of July.
00:19:01
Speaker
So, moving on. Do we have any... Remaining thoughts, any any follow-up thoughts for Dormammu?
00:19:11
Speaker
Dormammu popped up in Ironheart. I haven't finished the the last three episodes, but Dormammu got doodled. Dormammu has not appeared on screen, but Dormammu has had Dormammu's name mangled by none other than Riri Williams herself.
00:19:27
Speaker
see I believe she called him Dormammu. Spoiler! By the hoods in the show. Yeah. yeah Yeah. Yeah. there i Also, for the record, haven't finished it.
00:19:39
Speaker
Pretty sure Dormammu does not show up by the end. I think Dormammu only gets doodled on a napkin.
00:19:47
Speaker
Recognizably Dormammu. I'm about halfway through. I think we finished. We for sure finished episode three. you Might have finished episode four. Really, really liking it. Super fun. Oh, good.
00:19:58
Speaker
There are some silly things about it, but I'm on the whole having a great time. Read Dormammu thoughts.
Discussion on Marvel and Card Mechanics
00:20:04
Speaker
Oh, I did play it for the weekend missions. I tried to get your deck, Lauren, but it still had, like, discard stuff in it, and i was, like, bad. It was late at night. I just got out of Dormammu, and I found it very boring to play, so I'm like, Dormammu, probably I won't play that much later.
00:20:24
Speaker
why. I thought it would be fun, a quest card, but I'm like, just felt very linear and like not interesting to me. I'm still facing it a lot. like When it was When it was bugged and Ritual 1 let you use discard, it was a way more interesting card. Because it had these like trade-offs. like If you go for discard, it's less synergistic, but you get more power for less energy.
00:20:47
Speaker
You didn't have to pay for the card that you destroyed. Yeah, this one just feels... It doesn't feel that different from just normal-ass destroy. Yeah, I thought I might be interested in getting it later. like Once you know destroy is no longer a rich person's archetype that requires a monocle to play.
00:21:03
Speaker
um like i The thing is, I've run into enough Dormammu, and I've been on the other end, and I just don't think it's a very interesting card, and I don't want to play it, so I'm probably never going to get it. I mean, I will get it eventually, because that's how card acquisition does work. They will they will thrust it upon me at some point.
00:21:22
Speaker
I'd just rather do other destroy things than Dormammu when playing destroy stuff. I think one of the strengths of destroy is it's so flexible and Dormammu like narrows your path. It's really weird because it seems like this and interesting chase card, but it's yeah ah kind of disappointed with it.
00:21:41
Speaker
I'm sorry to hear that. Happens. Clea, did you get her? what do you think? Have you played her?
00:21:50
Speaker
i did. I did not get her. No, no. Okay. I want to hear Reese's thoughts on Clea. Okay. I didn't play... I haven't built my own deck with her, which is what I need to do. And I, like, super won my first game, ah which was an auto deck with Kahori, which was, like, synergy I hadn't thought about of, like, where it's like, oh, what if you're not even playing? What if you just, like, zip, zip, zip into your hand to fill your hand for other purposes, like Kahori?
00:22:17
Speaker
And I, like... Huh? Huh? and i'm I'm just like, doesn't Kohori also like, isn't it like the kind of in agreement, but doesn't Kohori like you want to have like a lot of cards in your hand, but also not any cards in your hand so you can make flames of the faulting.
00:22:32
Speaker
It's a little bit of a weird balance. There's some friction there, is there not? Well, they need a couple hits. Yeah, that's true. If you're combining a bunch of buff cards, right, and Clea, you get that when you're in you're her in your hand, right?
00:22:46
Speaker
Which is kind of cool, because if you're playing against Killmonger, which I'm seeing a lot more these days, you can like beef up your Clea into like a 1-2. six or If you're playing Gwen pulling a lot of buffy things and slam her down in the last turn, but she still gives you those Flames of Faultine while she's in hand.
00:23:05
Speaker
and So she's just synergistic with Kahori in that if you've already, like you may get a bunch of... like you know flames through other meats that happened to me while I was playing. Because like, yeah other ways I was buffing. So when I played Kahori. Yeah.
00:23:22
Speaker
yeah You play Kahori take advantage of the flames you've already generated, not to necessarily generate a bunch of fresh flames. What had happened was I was so i was in a conquest and the lo the create cards costing one more location came up and I was like, ah, nuts. Because this is my first Clia game, you know?
00:23:42
Speaker
like, You know, I'm trying to play Clia. But and because this was an auto deck and I hadn't like super looked at it hard, first started playing, I drew Kohori and I'm like, oh,
00:23:56
Speaker
Oh, I'll even play them. I'll even care. You know, like, they can sit my hand at two costs all day. And, um... Because I had other, you know, cards in hand to play and generate and stuff.
00:24:08
Speaker
So, anyway, that was kind of fun. And then i like... ah rebuilt an auto deck to see how it had changed over the course of the day.
00:24:19
Speaker
and this was a different deck with, like, Nicholas Scratch and Merlin and stuff. And it just, like, bombed hard against, like, Dormammu. Like, in the fight of, like, Dormammu versus, like, the Wizard Alliance, Dormammu just, like, steam... steamrolled me.
00:24:37
Speaker
um mean, I didn't try the hardest I could have because I was trying to get through tickets, so I was seeing out games... more than I was retreating, but it still felt like I'm like, you know, what I am doing is not coming together as well as what they're doing.
00:24:52
Speaker
So I got to try building my own thing with her closer to the um maybe leaning into the Kahori, like a dino kind of thing where it's like, you know, maybe just hand-genning. don't know.
00:25:09
Speaker
That's what I did. I haven't gotten the most time to play with her yet. I haven't gotten to play against a ton of her because Sanctum and nobody seems to be playing her in Sanctum very much. I've run into a couple when I've accidentally queued ladder or when someone has been playing something weird in Sanctum.
00:25:23
Speaker
I don't know. I'm still not convinced that the spells costing one is a road that leads anywhere. I think they need to cost zero. That's what I think.
00:25:33
Speaker
Yeah, I think even like zero negative one is probably better. yeah Better card. Yeah.
00:25:40
Speaker
I've played a an okay amount of Clea. I've definitely played way more Astral Projection. um I did one cool Clea clip where I had like a stack of ah Moonstone, Joaquin Torres, and Prodigy.
00:25:55
Speaker
And then I did Flames of the Faultine, Heimdall, Flames of the Faultine. So I got a like eight times Flames, two lanes. um But I fast-forwarded it. So didn't ghost it because this is how they do you.
00:26:09
Speaker
It's not fun. It's not fun to watch. Oh, cool. Fast forward. Heimdall, fast forward. like um And it was a lot of work. It doesn't make her good. um The like real decks that I've played her in, I've tried a couple.
00:26:22
Speaker
um I don't know if I've played Flames of the Fault Team once in these decks. And I've won with them just fine. But... i I don't know. i'm not saying like a one negative three is like that's a decent card.
00:26:35
Speaker
But if my energy can be spent elsewhere, I'm probably spending it elsewhere. ah So I've won with Clea in my deck, but not because of Clea, if that makes any sense. ah So far, I'm not super impressed. I'm afraid it does. does feel super clunky.
00:26:52
Speaker
Like, and maybe, maybe I need to lower my ambitions, like maybe getting a single. Safety's having fun with her, but I, safety will have fun with any card. Safety could have fun with a card that said, I don't know what it would say, but it would say something worse than what Clea says on her.
00:27:09
Speaker
It's true. yeah Despite how good of a player safety is. he loves bad cards. He'll enjoy a card. That's not good. Yeah. Um, Okay.
00:27:20
Speaker
Astral Projection. Have you two played with this card? Still haven't gotten to enjoy the the spoils of my ass kickings. Okay. I just got it. And so since I just got it, haven't had time to like build my own thing with it yet.
00:27:36
Speaker
And when I put together, I'm like, let me just auto it so I can at least get a game or two with it. And it like puts Cerebro in the deck. And I was like, no, I'm out.
00:27:47
Speaker
Not playing this, but I did see a neat clip where someone or waited until on Reddit. Ultron. Oh, no. Ultron. It has Patriot in it.
00:27:58
Speaker
Yeah, that's Regis. um Yeah, some person read where they waited until turn six and then on bar...
00:28:07
Speaker
It's the one where it'll copy all your cards out. Yeah, Bar Sinister. Yeah, Bar Sinister. And they played Cerebro Astral Projection.
00:28:18
Speaker
So it made like three Cerebros and then copied, you know, Ultron from their hand. It's just like... Boom. And then M'Baku jumped in at the end into the last spot in Very Sinister.
00:28:31
Speaker
Oh my gosh, that's gorgeous. To also be like a 111 or whatever. think they were all 11 power. And was like, oh, M'Baku! Because the other two lanes aren't enough. I'm sorry, can't credit whoever posted that clip I wasn't paying attention to posted it. It wasn't mine.
00:28:46
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know about that deck specific or that clip specifically, but I know Regis would put out that like the one turn kill where it's literally just on turn six. You play nothing else before it. You just play Ultron and Cerebro and you have 20 power in two lanes, like not enough to win every game. But no, no, it is not.
00:29:06
Speaker
It's just by sinister. Yeah, it's like the worst case scenario. If you if you're able to you know get Patriot out, then 28 power. and then i don't I don't think that's a real deck, though, is it?
00:29:17
Speaker
No, no, no, no, no. but but That was intended as a novelty, was it not? I don't know like the circumstances of its creation. but ah Definitely memes, yeah. But that deck still has Patriot as other ways to win. like I've mostly done meeny things with it.
00:29:35
Speaker
Um, I'll just, I'm not going to read off all of mine, but like one thing I did was Shuri, Absman, and then Astral Projection to hit Misery. So I repeat both Shuris and then destroy them.
00:29:48
Speaker
Astral Projection banishes and I drop a 24 power Galactus. Like, that was fun. That was cute. Something that I could only do with the skill because it removes itself, unlike Misery.
00:29:59
Speaker
Um... But most of the most the things I've done with it have just been cute and memes. There are two things I think that I've done with it that felt like, oh, this could be modified into a real deck.
00:30:10
Speaker
Both of those is where it's hitting Zola. One of them was a Panther deck, and one of them was... else do you do with Zola? Oh, it was Nimrod Venom. Because on the last turn, you could play Venom Zola for six energy. Like, that's really good. Yeah.
00:30:27
Speaker
because Azula, you don't care if his body, like you're not playing him for the body, right? So to have a three-cost Azula, very cool. um
00:30:37
Speaker
i don't don't know if I'm ready to call this a good card. and think it's hard to build around because you need a deck that has very few on reveals so that you can control the target.
00:30:48
Speaker
um but I think there will be a few places where it's great. Like, like I really do think Nimrod where this hits Zola is probably real. And I think so.
00:31:01
Speaker
i Black Panther is like questionably real, you know, like if you're going to do Wong Panther Zola anyway, like you're either going to win or you're going to get teched. Like, The thing that Astral Projection opened up was it let me Grandmaster Black Panther out of an armor lane and then Zola back into the armor lane.
00:31:20
Speaker
You know, like that's something I could uniquely do because of how much cheaper Astral Projection is. I have played against slightly more Astral Projection than Clea. I think it
Card Evaluations: Strengths and Weaknesses
00:31:30
Speaker
feels like a realer card and it's good enough in a vacuum that I think it'll be good eventually if it's not good right now.
00:31:36
Speaker
Sorry, Lauren, you have you have more like full thoughts than I do. that That's like all I think about it. I'm getting interrupted by the dog. um Yeah, it's one of those cards that's going to get better with every Zola-like card that comes out, like every high cost, a good on reveal that you might want to do more than once, or you might want to do early, or you might want to combo with something on the last turn.
00:31:57
Speaker
um So it's definitely flexible and cool. on I think I'd probably, if I was ranking it again today on our little four point scale, I think I'd still give it a three. Like, it's fine. i think I would give it a three for the first time because I gave it a four before.
00:32:12
Speaker
Okay. Uh, we'll skip our vibe check because we're going to do season rankings for the fantastic yeah or first steps season.
00:32:23
Speaker
Um, if you're unfamiliar with our process, we just bring things on a four point scale. You know, you could think of it as one is hate it or awful. And two is bad and three is good. And four is great or love it.
00:32:36
Speaker
Sometimes it's subjective. Sometimes it's how good it is. You know, we'll, we'll talk about it. Um, okay. Okay. I'll try to institute a rotation here. First up, Mr. Fantastic first steps season pass card, two to end of turn.
00:32:53
Speaker
Give a card in your hand minus one cost or plus two power. Follow the same order as we can snap Ben. What are your thoughts? Um, I want this card to be a three because I think like Rhi, I may also be stopping my season pass.
00:33:11
Speaker
Um, I think it's a four though. Um,
00:33:16
Speaker
you can see the cards. The thing about surge is you're kind of flying blind. You don't know what the next card is, but like,
00:33:25
Speaker
This is only giving minus one cost or plus two power. So like in theory, it's not sprinting the way surge can once per turn, giving a thing minus one and plus one. and Like, you know, like surge runs a little faster at top speed, but like Mr. Fantastic is slow and steady when in the goddamn race.
00:33:41
Speaker
It doesn't tell you when you need to play these cards. ah Sure, you can double up on this effect once with Invisible Woman, though you know that's not as flashy as the other things you're going to be doing with her.
00:33:54
Speaker
um seems like a very strong card, like too strong. Like I'm feeling really bad, but like skipping the season pass kind of is only meaningful, you know, because the, I don't know.
00:34:06
Speaker
I feel like it's going to be more meaningful than if I skipped when, uh, the season pass card wasn't as good. I don't know. That's the thing. I still haven't made up my final mind. i I might get this card, but I'm not looking forward to playing against it all month.
00:34:21
Speaker
Uh, it seems very strong.
00:34:24
Speaker
Yep. Bree, your thoughts? So I do. This is four stars for me. I feel like this card also, and you know, obviously the comparison is to Surge. And I feel like this card makes Surge the Surge at Home card, you know, like we have Surge at Home. It's Surge.
00:34:42
Speaker
This card does it. better. better. It can hit a card in your hand more than one time, which a lot of cards like Shaw and stuff, you want to hit more than one time. Yeah, you don't. It's just like, it's just, I think it's it's it's a better than Surge for like the same exact cost and power.
00:35:05
Speaker
So oh um I'm surprised it's not three cost, Maybe, to be honest. I don't know. So, ah yeah, those are my thoughts. It's, it's, I think it's true.
00:35:18
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. ah Four points on this one. I think it wouldn't surprise me at all to see this get nerfed. It doesn't feel like one that's going to get nerfed right away, but like in three months, you know?
00:35:30
Speaker
That's the thing that sucks about skipping the season pass is because like you miss out on these cards when they are... Oh, when they're OP. Yeah, broken good, right? Yeah, if you were just getting Galacta now, like she's still fine, but she's not plus three anymore, you know?
00:35:44
Speaker
I mean, they had to hurt her so that they can sell fantasticars. Yeah. um Yeah, this card just seems too good. Like we said, it can hit multiple targets. hidden in from our The same target multiple times, that's something that Surge can't do. If this is you know if Surge is Surge at home, i don't even want to think about what Fastos is.
00:36:05
Speaker
am this isnt ah This is just... It's too good. It's way too flexible, which I always admire when they make a season pass card that's flexible in the sense that early game and late game players can enjoy it. But this is like every archetype. like just Yeah, why wouldn't you play this card?
00:36:24
Speaker
Way too generic. um and Maybe the nerf is going to three costs. I think it's more likely they try plus one power, but that won't be enough. It's the cost, really. like That's, I think, the larger issue.
00:36:39
Speaker
I think Riz right. I think three cost is probably the right place for it. And it would still be good, but that would really help distinguish it from Surge. It would still shit all over Fastos. Fantasticar, 4.7, our super premium season pass, as far as we know, as far as data mines indicate, the first one.
00:36:57
Speaker
ah So for an ah extra $11, you cannot opt to get Fantasticar, but not Mr. Fantastic. As far as I know, right? Don't you have the premium pass to consider no way. You've got to get the... yeah yeah ah But you don't have to buy them simultaneously. You can later in the month decide you want to go super premium, I guess.
00:37:16
Speaker
Yeah, if they miss low on Fantasticar, they might nudge it up there. yeah Rhi, you'll go first on Fantasticar after i read it off. A four seven activate, give your end-of-turn cards plus 2 power.
00:37:33
Speaker
I gave it a one star, to be honest. um I'm not even... And this is as it's releasing. I know looking ahead, we're getting the even more activate, even more end-of-turn stuff.
00:37:44
Speaker
But, like, almost even considering that, like, four cost is a top slot. You know what I mean? Shang-Chi is a four cost. And a bunch of other cards that can get you more power for four cost.
00:38:00
Speaker
Yeah. And this is, like, Spectrum for Activate. Like, and No, sorry, not for Activate, but for End of Turn cards.
00:38:10
Speaker
Which, like, so already now to get value out of this, like, Spectrum, you need the rest of your cards to be, like, End of Turn. So you can then Fantasticar them, which, like, Spectrum's not that great.
00:38:25
Speaker
Like, to be honest. And um I feel like even when you're mixing end of turn and activate, you'd probably just slot something else in this slot. I think it's very narrow in that, like, you'd put it in some deck where you're really trying to tribal up on the end of turn. So it's I don't see you playing this card very often.
00:38:44
Speaker
Even after they gave it the point of power? Like, no, there's just better. i'd honestly rather have ah Jessica Jones in this. Like, I never play Jessica Jones.
00:38:57
Speaker
So, any more sadly. To make it to me it's my great sorrow and personal a lack of development. Okay. yeah that's what I think. One star. um They're probably easing in. Like, throw a bad card in the first season. I do think that is part of their story.
00:39:16
Speaker
Yes. Oh, I wanted to talk about that. I'm planning to skip this one. I am i am getting Mr. Fantastic. i' my current My current intentions are season pass only, but cutting other spending until the game is more friendly and I'm feeling better about supporting it and all that.
00:39:34
Speaker
Fantasticar I'll be skipping. partially because it's 11 extra dollars partially because it just seems boring and not very good but then next month's or the following month's ah silver surfer first steps that looks like a pretty fun card so that's going to be the real test for me like am i ever going to be a super premium season pass girly say that 10 times fast um the s p sp sp I think this card stinks. I was going to give it a two, but I think I'm going to follow Rhi and give it a one. Because yeah least if I don't give like cards that are just pretty bad a one, then I'm never giving anything a one. They don't make cards that are dog shit.
00:40:16
Speaker
um Almost ever. You know, could reserve that for our Hulklings. um I say that. A Hulkling's fine. It's just a case.
00:40:27
Speaker
hulkling was in the deck that won the tournament of pride undefeated ah very sick move deck by the way um i don't think it won because of hulkling but i also don't think it won because of hulkling but hulkling was infinite more than it was anything helpful um anyway his end of terms of fun not a very good synergy right um i think the ones that you're most interested in ones coming this month, Mr. Fantastic Human Torch, The Thing.
00:40:57
Speaker
um There are some older ones that I think, like... Hydra Bob, Thena? Yeah, Hydra Bob, Thena, exactly ones was going or Marvel Boy, even Bruce Banner. He's weird because when he transforms, he keeps his buffs.
00:41:07
Speaker
No other card in the game does that. No other transformation does that. Adam Warlock getting a plus two? Like, you don't hate that, except... You're not doing it until turn five. Like, a four-cost activate card is just so freaking clunky, and this is not worth it.
00:41:23
Speaker
Not worth it. One point. Boo. Hiss. All right. I'm going to be a contrarian. I'm going I guess I'm going to give it two points just because of some of these other end-of-turn cards this month.
00:41:36
Speaker
Like also they gave it a point of power. It was data mind at four, six. And I laughed and laughed and laughed. And I was like, why? What is this bad card?
00:41:47
Speaker
And I still kind of think it's it's a super stinker. Tell me, are you going to play? Are you going to play Fantasticar over Galacta? I'm not going to own Fantasticar.
00:41:57
Speaker
Well, they nerfed Galacta specifically because of Fantasticar. That wasn't in the notes, but you know that was part of the thinking. I still they Fantasticars. They wanted to sell some Fantasticars, so they had to take Galacta down a notch.
00:42:10
Speaker
And, I mean, Galacta is still a better card than Fantasticar, but, like, yeah how many how many hits do you need to make Fantasticar worth it? Three? Four? I'm just saying I think your two is high, but, you know...
00:42:22
Speaker
and No, it probably is. But I'm just adding some texture. I mean, like, it Safety Blade seems excited about this card in conjunction with the new Human Torch. And I'm like, I don't know. Maybe. I'm so i'm not sure. i'm i I kind of think that new Human Torch doesn't need Fantastic Car.
00:42:40
Speaker
I kind of think that Fantastic Car is not the best way to do anything. That's what I think. ways to buff your other cards. I'm just saying it's not unplayably bad. 4.7 is a body. If it hands out another plus 6 power, you've played a 4.13, which not... I mean, it's like... and you know if it hands out another plus six power that you play to four thirteen which is not i mean it's not like you know Doom 2099 level stats, but like if we're doubling things with Human Torch, and yeah like yeah i could I could see it being... yeah i i don't I'm not excited about playing it, and I'm very excited to skip it, and it's not hurting me the way that new Mr. Fantastic is hurting me to skip...
00:43:20
Speaker
I don't I'll give it two. And in my heart, it's a one. Like, I hate the dang card. But it's not as bad as it looked when we first saw it, when it was a four, six, and Galactic gave plus three. Okay.
00:43:37
Speaker
Yeah. Agreed all around. I just... and do You need a lot of hits for this to be worth the downside of... Being a four-cost activate. Yeah. Uh-huh.
00:43:49
Speaker
And... I don't think there's the critical mass yet. don't think so either. ah Notably, there's a bunch of end of turn cards in High Evolutionary, right?
00:43:59
Speaker
like Yeah, it's got Evolved Cyclops, Misty Knight. And Hulk. And Hulk, yes. So, like, maybe...
00:44:11
Speaker
could i could see i could see it fitting in a high evolutionary deck. um I'm not sure I could. i don't see it making high evolutionary a real threat. that's the I don't think it belongs there. I think it like it disagrees with the rest of the deck's mission, I think.
00:44:27
Speaker
Okay. hey Herbie, the little robot. This is the first week Series 5 card. 2-3. Each turn this is in play, swap to a new activate ability until one is used. Kind of Niko Minoru-ish.
00:44:44
Speaker
There are four different programs. We don't know if they're going to rotate evenly or if you could you know go from program 1 to 3 to 1. We don't know. But here they are. Program 1, activate.
00:44:55
Speaker
Next turn, you get plus 2 energy. Program two, activate. Give two of your cards at each other location plus one power. yeah Two, seven overall.
00:45:08
Speaker
Program three, activate. Create a rock here. Set its power to four. Program four, activate. Double this card's power. Oh, I'm first.
00:45:20
Speaker
Um... give this give this a three it's a cute little utility card maybe it's worthy of a four like i'm thinking about niko more and it's like only half of her spells are really good but like she's an excellent card uh because you have full control over when you use the spell and that's how herbie's working too i actually think it's a really cool use of the activate ability uh and i like a low cost activate that where the activate matters um and Double this card's power is like two six That's like you if you haven't ever had anything good, right?
00:45:54
Speaker
I mean, there's one way this card is smaller than a 2-6, and that's if it gave you 2 energy. Yeah, which is you're going to do stuff with that 2 energy. Yeah. um Assuming you play early and you get the... and me Yeah. me It's bad on turn 6, I'll say that.
00:46:13
Speaker
or Or even on turn 5 if the energy is the thing.
00:46:19
Speaker
Oh, playing it on five. Yeah, play it on five, activate on six, and doesn't you get two energy for the non-existent turn. That's a one and four. um Three out of four times on turn five, it's still fine.
00:46:31
Speaker
I have such a hard time giving an activate card a four. um I'm going to stick with three for now, um but I think actually a card I'm interested in looks kind of fun and looks good enough to actually belong in a deck. Yeah.
00:46:45
Speaker
Yeah. is Is plus two energy probably the best one? Yeah. think it depends on the circumstances, but mostly, yeah. yeah yeah I mean, I think Dugging Power could also sometimes be the best one.
00:46:59
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, if you're invested in buffing him or whatever. But I like the one that gives the plus two to the other locations, I feel like. Yeah, that one's cool. That's a very cool one, and it spreads it. I like Wide Power. That's Reach,
00:47:12
Speaker
I know. Rhi likes Reach. Well, it's only Reach if you've got cards there already. Yeah, but it's an activate, so like you can wait until later turns to do it. Yeah, just but like a lot of the in reach that that we talk about is like getting into locations that you couldn't get into, and Herbie doesn't get you into new locations. You're right.
00:47:33
Speaker
There's something to be said for adding power to a clogged location. Your opponent was expecting it to be this much power. You know, say like a space throne, and then all of a sudden you're like, psych! Yeah. just thinking about Nico, right? I would say her best spell is discard or Destroy to draw two. don't know if you two would agree with that.
00:47:50
Speaker
um But, you know, that's like that's the ramping card and or the gramping spell, and so that's why I think the plus two energy probably is the one that will have the biggest bang. Okay, Ben, Herbie.
00:48:04
Speaker
I think I'll give it a three, but it's a high three. This is a very strong card. um Three out of the four things make it at least a two six. um And the other one is very good. The other one is better than that.
00:48:18
Speaker
So like. What do we like if if your floor is two six, that's that's very good. And like ah the ceilings are and like all all of these are sometimes the best one. Like the one that boosts two of your cards at each other location is sometimes the best one.
00:48:37
Speaker
Creating a rock here and setting its power to four. That's also sometimes the best one, like two seven and also like filling up the lane if you think they're about to do some bullshit.
00:48:47
Speaker
Like, Oh, there's something to be said for that. Like I, I'm not in the mood to take an acid arrow. You can keep that on your side. I got a rock over here. It's got four power. Um, yeah, I, I like this card a lot.
00:49:02
Speaker
Uh, also for those who didn't piece this together with the data mind stuff for next month, they're giving us an early preview of robots means activate month.
00:49:13
Speaker
Um, So that's why Herbie doesn't seem to agree with the matchy matchy Fantastic Four and the Fantastic Car and why he doesn't give a shit about the end of the turn. It's because he's secretly not a Fantastic Four card.
00:49:26
Speaker
He's one of these new robot cards that all have activate and all care about activate. And we're robots and we love activate. And that's what you need to know about robots now is that they all have activate. Cutely, though, each of these abilities is tied to a Fantastic Four member, right? Like doubling is Human Torch, creating a rock is the thing, stretching in other locations is Mr. Fantastic.
00:49:46
Speaker
I don't really know why plus two energy is is invisible woman. at least yeah I don't know either. i'm not willing to I'm not going to give him credit for that. But yeah, like they they think that like this is really cute design. Every robot has activate.
00:49:59
Speaker
Let's all give them the applause that they want. It's very clever, guys. um It's kind of cute. It's fine. I'm just saying like, I recognized it immediately and I was like, Oh, how very magic. The gathering in 2006. Okay. Okay.
00:50:15
Speaker
ah yeah okay Okay, I've been waiting so long to disagree. It's my turn. Okay, I think you guys are too high. I think often you get too high, honestly. I think I once heard going to say she thinks Ben is the most often accurate in cards. But when I reflect and I think about all the times I was right and Ben was around like Scarlet Spider and stuff, and I think this is a Scarlet Spider for you.
00:50:43
Speaker
Because one, okay, you're going to get two energy. mean, look at these other two. Look at Mr. Fantastic First Steps. Look at Search. I'll throw those in almost any deck. They almost go with any deck.
00:50:56
Speaker
This card, Erby, it's great, but you're going to build around. It's going deck that I build where you've got like, like, Nikia and Gwen pull and stuff. So like, when you're buffing, all these abilities are good. Cause it's like, yeah, I'll buff that and put a shot down there. Or like, I'll buff up this card and then I'll double its power, you know? Or plus two energy is great.
00:51:16
Speaker
But it's not guaranteed. Cause like, Nico, right? Nico was one cheaper than this, also gives you an even larger toolbox to play with, right? And like, it can't be stolen away from you with the red guardian.
00:51:30
Speaker
I do think this is like a really, could be a really good card in a lot of decks. And it'll be really fun card deck. But does this card just get thrown random nilly into decks the way you can with Mr. Fantastic first steps in Surge?
00:51:44
Speaker
No, you're building for this card. You're building around this card. That makes it's not a four star like Mr. Fantastic. It's... That's why we didn't give it four stars. We gave it three. I think it's a I think it's a two star because i do just think like what, like Mr. Fantastic, what makes Surge a ah ah three star maybe, which i mean, definitely puts Herbie down to two. I feel like, um, so yeah, I do think it's fun.
00:52:11
Speaker
And I'm excited. Honestly, one things I'm most excited for, it and I should be more excited because I love buffing decks and I don't know, maybe there's like a Nomura meme in here somewhere.
00:52:22
Speaker
Well, no, it's two other codes, so you wouldn't be nomoring it. but like You could nomore it and then double it. Yeah, right. Like, I like Akoya Nikia, America Chavez, you know, Power Buff Girls kind of decks. So, like, I'll have lot of fun with it, but I'm also real excited for, like, the upcoming, like, Rock Tribal decks.
00:52:44
Speaker
Because I'm excited, it'll probably suck when it comes around, but, like, it seems fun to just, like... Now we have Rhino and stuff, it's like, don't know, let's make Rocks and do something with that. But I do think... think...
00:52:56
Speaker
This card is an activate card. You can't play it on turn six the way you could play a Nico on turn six, where you're holding Nico for the ability you want through many turns. You know, this is more limited.
00:53:08
Speaker
It's activate. You need to build around it to make use of a lot of its abilities. It's going to get overshadowed in a lot of decks by more general cards like Mr. Fantastic First Steps.
00:53:19
Speaker
That's my pitch on this card. Fun. I like it i I want to get it I'm excited for it. But I don't think it's like a, you know, okay like the best two drop card.
00:53:32
Speaker
um I agree on that. um Whether or not give it the same point thing. but yeah Fun card. a Human Torch First Steps. A 3-2 the following week Series 5 card.
00:53:43
Speaker
End of turn. Plus one power. Once per game. If your side here is full, double this card's power.
00:53:54
Speaker
You, oh it's ah it's on Ben to review first. Yeah. I hate this card. I have difficulty evaluating it because I just i just dislike Oh, really? um Yeah.
00:54:08
Speaker
three cost that Ben hates? This is so bizarre. I thought you would love this. Okay, same. We have Sebastian Shaw. I like Sebastian Shaw. I mean, like, Sebastian Shaw might not be good enough these days. A lot of people aren't even playing Sebastian Shaw, and I don't even always play Sebastian Shaw anymore.
00:54:25
Speaker
I just i dislike the design very much. um Also, i have I have some rules questions about how this interacts with Invisible Woman, and the same rules question about the next card. So, like, let's let's ponder that for a moment.
00:54:38
Speaker
So this once per game, if your side here is full, double this card's power, does Invisible Woman allow you to get your once per game off twice? What do we think? No.
00:54:49
Speaker
No, because it's a once per game. That's what I think. I think it's like an activate charge. Like, if your once per game went off, your once per game went off, even if... for whatever reason, your ability is happening. says once per game.
00:55:02
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, but it also says this turn, your end of turn abilities happen twice. So, like, I don't know if, like, you get the effect twice no matter what, or if it checks twice and you get the effect twice.
00:55:14
Speaker
thought you meant... regular van ah vanilla invisible woman. Nope, I'm asking First Steps Invisible Woman. I still... think they go intuitive. They want it to be intuitive and it says once per game. I think as a person who wants to live in a world that makes sense, once per game means once per game, right?
00:55:35
Speaker
Yeah, I think it might try. Decide as... If the site is full, it might try to proc it again. But then it's like, nope, you already did it once per game. So you just get the extra power, nothing else.
00:55:46
Speaker
But like I don't know. Things don't always work like they seem like they should work. So like I'm wondering if like if they wanted to. I don't know. I don't know what their what their priorities are or how they think things go. Because sometimes they break a different way than we would break on questions of logic and things.
00:56:08
Speaker
It's too good if it can double twice like that. yeah that's That's my feeling also. Either way, I hate this card. What's your rating? been talking too long about rules that probably aren't coming. Alright, yeah. I guess I'll give it a three. I'm worried it's a four.
00:56:21
Speaker
I'm worried it's a four. I i hate that like the end of turn... It's going to be in Shang-Chi range only after it's too late to Shang-Chi, and I think that is such horse shit. as As a person who doesn't even play Shang-Chi on the regular, i i think this card is icky. It's probably four. I don't know. I love dodging a Shang with Havoc. Mmm.
00:56:40
Speaker
Yeah, but that's, that's, you, you have to work for it with Havoc. Yeah, it has a bit of a different downside. Rhi. Okay, I do you think we need to pick it up for good. and Lauren has a hard stop time. Okay. Sorry. um For me, this is a three-star card. I think it's, it's super, but like, you love this in a surfer, right?
00:57:00
Speaker
Because it's, it's like, at the end of the game, after you've hit it with surfer, it'll double its, double its power. It's a surfer card that you want to play early, right? The problem with so many surfer cards, like say, you know, other three cost cards, kind of want to play them late. so perfect surfer card seems pretty powerful, but like not, once again, not a four star, not like Jeff and Jeff released, you know, where it's like, pull it on every deck, you know?
00:57:28
Speaker
So for me, it's three stars. Huh?
00:57:32
Speaker
huh i' I'm like trying to understand. do you Do you think it suffers when played late? Is that is that why you think it's probably not a four? You played on the last turn. No, because in my mind, where I'm deciding four is four needs to be a card that, like...
00:57:48
Speaker
is like so, like Mr. Fantastic First Steps, where why not just put in every deck? It'll help you in literally almost every deck you're playing, right? And this deck, it's like, oh, I'm building a surfer deck for it, and it's really strong in that deck, but it needs help. Like, it needs surfer. I'm not just, this isn't so powerful. I'm throwing it in literally, like, it goes across so many archetypes, you know? Yeah, for sure.
00:58:09
Speaker
All right, I like i like this. i'm I would prefer to live in a world where it's a three. I'm taking mine down to three. It's a three star. Yeah.
00:58:18
Speaker
I'm similarly split between three and four. I think I'm going to err on three. end of turn is is both good and bad timing for it, right? Like, um... It's great!
00:58:30
Speaker
Like, how many times in Surfer you feel it's like it pairs well with Brood? It's just such a great Surfer card. Yeah, very, very good Surfer card. Right, I'm trying to think of other places where it's like, you know, if you could get it down late and it's only a 3-6, like, do you want that?
00:58:46
Speaker
Um, If you're moving stuff around or something gets destroyed, even on the last turn, then it's too late for it to get its doubling ability. um but You got to work for it, yeah.
00:58:58
Speaker
But that's why I think it's good in Surfer, too, because you have plenty cards in Surfer in your hand that if you drew it late, you'll just play the other shit in your hand that's still great to play late, you know? Yeah, I think it pretty easily replaces Gladiator in any deck that's using that's just looking for big power.
00:59:15
Speaker
on a three. freery If it's okay, maybe it's even a pro that it can build up to that much power, but not right away. So it's kind of throwing priority. the is This is a good card. like this card. ah I just don't think it should be in the game.
00:59:34
Speaker
and I like the thematic though. They actually go together as this fantastic four where they all, if four, you know, four cards are united, like their powers go off. I like think that It's just that one of them stinks.
00:59:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:59:52
Speaker
Yeah, I've committed to the three, but ah it really might be better than that. The thing, first steps, the following week's Series 5 card, end of turn, plus two power once per game. If your site here is full, destroy an enemy card here with less power.
01:00:12
Speaker
So even if it's on the last turn, you're still looking at an 8 power card that can destroy 7. Up to? Re-first. up to re first I think I still gotta give this 3. This feels more powerful. feels pretty good to you know what I mean?
01:00:32
Speaker
But it is random. It is less power, so you're not taking down Infinance or something with it. Shang-Chi is still... And it's a 5-6. But, like... Well, it's always a 5-8, at least.
01:00:46
Speaker
you know it's If you're playing a card with a lot of buff stuff, you know what i mean? Then you might actually... Replace something like a Shang-Chi with that. Honestly, I'm talking myself down to a two as I'm looking at its like cost and stuff like that.
01:01:04
Speaker
If you're set, yeah, I think, sorry, I'm talking myself down to a two. At first, I was just so excited. I like, like, the ability to destroy enemy cards is... you know, often very good.
01:01:17
Speaker
and yeah But it's a 2099, a Spider-Man 2099, not a shot. Like, that's yes, yes. yeah That's a good comparison. A random is just killing it. That's the part that loses me.
01:01:28
Speaker
Yep. Yep. I'm just going to say real quick, I give it a one. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I think if I gave Fantasticar a two, I have to give Thing First Steps a two, probably. it But maybe it's a one. i don't know. This card seems like hot garbo to me.
01:01:44
Speaker
That's the one I was talking about. Like, yeah, it's really cool how the Fantastic Four come together and all work together, except one of them absolutely yeah just... is good move a a little while no don't don't play this one this one stinks i mean like i don't know this one is as ridiculous as the torch is like uh i don't know think it's much easier to imagine this getting buffed than to imagine fantastic are getting buffed like this is just yeah i think it's a wonder if it's not better part is so bad just change it to highest power destroyed and it's yes it's too good target yeah
01:02:18
Speaker
Oh my god, it would be so good if it was targeted. Oh, wow. Yeah, this card stinks as is. don't know so good. Like, you play it on card, it would so much better. It would have a reason to exist.
01:02:29
Speaker
there There would be a situation where you'd be like, oh, I think I could do something with this card. Whereas with the in its current form, there's no... still disagree. No.
01:02:39
Speaker
I think it's better than you guys are trying. I think there are places where you could slot this in because it made sense maybe with other stuff you're doing and like destroying an enemy card. And sometimes it could be useful.
01:02:54
Speaker
so i have in one other consideration. Fantastic card is worse. You need to fill the lane. And that's easy in Surfer with Human Torch. Like, Human Torch wants to be in a deck where you're going to fill up that lane and he gets to double his thing. hey Why does the thing want to assassinate somebody at a lane that you fully staffed with four cards?
01:03:12
Speaker
What are we doing? It's so... What if you're playing an astral projection deck? So you need to be careful what on reveal you have. Astral projection disappears the end of turn. No, no, but I'm saying you can't have too many. You want on reveals like that. you're You're limiting the on reveals you're playing so you can hit specific ones, right?
01:03:32
Speaker
So that when you play it, you'll hit your Ultron and hit other ones. So you're looking for cards that don't have on reveals that, you know, you know, and then with Ultron, you know, you're going to fill the lane. I'm just saying their use case.
01:03:45
Speaker
It's like... how everyone, you know, like Infinity Ultron at the beginning was like kind of bad, but you know, still won sometimes because like and I thought it needed a buff.
01:03:59
Speaker
It'll win if you get Yellowstone and Purplestone. Yeah. It would win if you got Yellow, Purple or Purple Red. It's like that was good enough. did not notice a lot of people playing Infinity Ultron and winning, but I only saw the ones that I saw.
01:04:15
Speaker
Okay, let's just... If you have an Invisible Woman, let's say everything goes right. You have Invisible Woman, first steps out. We'll talk about her in just a second. She gives she doubles your end of turn abilities. You get Thing out on curve. He's a 512. Like, that's... good.
01:04:29
Speaker
We don't have any 512s that you can just put in your deck. There's a 514 who's Red Skull. Yeah, he's been around for a while. um He's worse than 514 by the time you count his ability.
01:04:41
Speaker
so I still don't think that 512 is like something we need to like really award a lot of brownie points for. ah like There are other big fives. You get your Agamotos and 512, and you had to work for it.
01:04:56
Speaker
yeah and like You had to play another card to help him get there and stuff. like i i don't I think that to count this as a 512 is pretty generous. Or to even award anything based on the situations in which it will be a 512. I'm like, we we gave you so much help.
01:05:14
Speaker
like yeah I don't know. So much investment. Yeah, I don't like having to fill a lane with a 5 cost card. ah Invisible Woman First Steps, the following Series 5 card. A 3-5. Activate.
01:05:27
Speaker
This turn, your end of turn's ability happened twice. i Me first, I think. I'm trying to look at the other end-of-turn abilities, because, like, Mr. Fantastics is fine.
01:05:44
Speaker
herby's is irrelevant it changes it changes abilities herby doesn't have an end of turn ability it's not end of turn i was thinking he's a robot not a fantastic four yeah like uh havoc is a bad one to happen twice except for at the end of the game thena is very good marvel boy is very good i think based on existing bruce banner have the one in three chance twice um i'm not angry at hydra bob for moving twice yeah I don't think that's in the deck. I don't think that is the deck, but I mean, like, just end of turn things I'd like another shot at, sure.
01:06:17
Speaker
Eson's huge. Atuma, if you're building for it, could be huge. Oh, yeah. Adam Warlock drawing twice. Like, there's some good stuff here. 2099, dropping two cards um
01:06:30
Speaker
Wow. ah I'm going to give it a three. I think it can be very powerful, but it is very clearly a combo card. And those are those struggle to be reliable. Ben.
01:06:43
Speaker
I kind of think I might have to go four. This is just a card that's very good at its job. In fact, it's the only card that has its job, and it's a 3-5. And it's the only way to do the thing that it does, and the thing it does is worth doing.
01:06:57
Speaker
um At least I think the thing it does is worth doing. I think... I think specifically it's going to be nuts in the surfer deck with Human Torch first steps. And I think maybe that's enough. I i honestly like Human Torch.
01:07:13
Speaker
I took him down to three. Maybe, maybe, maybe I shouldn't. I don't know. Those two together are going to be a bother. um I mean, another crack at Mr. Fantastic first steps doesn't feel hugely significant, except like that's an extra energy sometimes or, you know, an extra plus two i I think that three five body and.
01:07:35
Speaker
Let me take a look at these other end of turn cards, the previous Strange Supreme. ah We didn't mention that Marvel boy, you know. I don't know. i guess i'll I guess I'll put her down at three.
01:07:49
Speaker
ah ah But she's very good at her job.
01:07:52
Speaker
Great. um So I a two. can see... This is a far better card than Fantastikar for an activate card that affects end-of-turn abilities.
01:08:05
Speaker
um But she is an activate card. and You're not playing her on turn six. Yeah. And ah you're building a deck.
01:08:16
Speaker
You're building a deck around ah her. She's really good because, like, Mr. Fantastic First Steps is really good and stuff like that. That's what, you know, that's what enables her is, like, I don't know.
01:08:31
Speaker
I think she's just, like, she's she won't be bad, but she's narrow and she goes in very specific decks. Yep, she is super narrow. That's for sure.
01:08:42
Speaker
um Quick math, because I couldn't do it off the top of my head. If you used her with Bruce Banner, it'd be a 55% chance that he hulks out. Wow. Yep.
01:08:52
Speaker
Okay, our last one based on data mines. Mole Man. We don't know which series, but a limited time event card. i would guess Grand Arena from the the patch notes said that we're getting Grand Arena and High Voltage, I think.
01:09:08
Speaker
Again. I would guess that he's there to to headline the new mode. 3-3. On reveal, banish the top card of your deck, add two rocks to your hand, set their power to the banished card's cost.
01:09:24
Speaker
Cost. I definitely read this as power the first... however many times I read it. Ben. You know, this card seems hard to evaluate. I feel like I've thought about this card before and I had more firm opinions about it. I feel like I had a better handle on it, but something happened in the in the weeks since last we read it and now I don't know what to make of it.
01:09:48
Speaker
um Yeah, I think I'll give it a three. i like i i just i I don't think this card is for me because it wants you to be playing a three-cost card that wants you to be playing a six-cost card. I don't know. I don't like six-cost cards all that much. there There are two of them that I like, and they're Magneto and Heimdall, and this guy isn't friends with them as far as I can tell.
01:10:13
Speaker
I don't know. Maybe it's a two.
Mole Man Card Discussion
01:10:15
Speaker
i like if i don't know what theck I just like the design very much. I'll give it a three on just ah and Moxie you know and Gumption.
01:10:25
Speaker
it's it's It's bold. It's ambitious. so I like banishing the top card of your deck. I like Mole Man, the character. I think he's goofy and fun. Probably my favorite thing about the Fantastic Four.
01:10:36
Speaker
um Yeah. Mole Man got three gets a three on vibes. Alright, so I give, honestly, for me, I'm surprised your rate is so high. This is kind of like a 1.5, because it's not, it's better than fantastic, I feel like. Or it's got more promise. I'm here for the Rock Tribal, but realistically, like, for three cost...
01:11:00
Speaker
You're going to play this for what? You know what mean? Combos you can get with other three costs are going to be a lot better. There isn't like a Rock Tribal to be going with it yet.
01:11:11
Speaker
There are better ways to gen cards. like Why are you trying to banish the top card of your deck? That doesn't really seem that helpful and it seems hard to control the cost of. like If I'm playing something with this, it's probably something little. Like, Collector, you' I don't know. Whatever else I'm doing, I'm thinking smaller cards. I don't know. So, um you know, i just don't see i don't see the vision it's like a 1.5.
01:11:36
Speaker
through this yet so it's like a one point five
01:11:41
Speaker
Do we think banishing cards off the top is ever good with, like, Iron Lead if we're just trying to, like, narrow things down or something? you don't But know. What if it's the card you wanted to hit with, like... Yeah, you have to then run Howard, which, like, isn't the worst card, but he is taking up a spot in your deck, and you have to get him before Mole Man, like...
01:12:01
Speaker
So guess you're running a zoo deck then, right? Because the zoo deck has reason to play Howard, you know? like Because the orange stuff with What are you sacrificing with Mole Man? You're going to sacrifice your Gilgamesh or Kezar? That's what I'm saying. I was just thinking it might be an alternative Howard just to like narrow like make it more predictable. I don't know.
01:12:21
Speaker
I don't know. I'm i'm reaching. i'm I'm just trying to be optimistic about him. but i think I think he's playable, right? We're thinking, okay, you can make two demons, right? That's like ideal with exceptions for Death and and Scar and Arshem.
01:12:39
Speaker
And Dormammu. You're making two demons for a 3-3 instead of ah one negative three that you can do with Hood, but there's so many things you can do with Hood, right? You can eat him with Carnage, or you can bounce him, or you can walk in towards him, or you can Valk him. Like...
01:12:54
Speaker
um so many ways that you can mitigate hood that kind of makes being a one cost so much better than being a three here. Um, and that's the ideal scenario for mole man, right? You might be drawing two one twos and it's like, what's that?
01:13:12
Speaker
All right I'm talking to, I'm taking him down to two. He's a two on vibes. He's a two for me also. And I think there will be places for him, right? Whether it's, Will there? I'm less sure now as I think about it.
01:13:23
Speaker
We didn't want cards in it. She's so cool.
Creative Challenges and Personal Routines
01:13:29
Speaker
What if a card comes along that lets you gain power from banished cards or something, then but it's just not there yet. yeah I'm sure you can do better in a different way. I'm sure we will get banished Morbius. I don't know if we're going to interact with the banished... I don't know if you can ever re ah pull back a banished card. right like If you banish Agamotto, does Temporal Manipulation pull him back? I don't know. think so. Maybe. really hard i believe I believe so.
01:14:01
Speaker
it would it would be a pain to test because you'd have to hit him with the hotel location or with yondu and that's hard to hit a 5 cost with yondu anyway i kind of interesting probably not interesting enough to encourage people to play a game mode for him maybe that means he's the high voltage card oh that means he's getting buffed Moving on to our side quests.
01:14:27
Speaker
First up and only secret homework. Rhi, you assigned the secret homework. What was it? Okay. So the secret homework was, was our sequel ah to video game music. Cause the, the rule, you know, very fight club ask the rule of video game music.
01:14:48
Speaker
a Secret homework is you only get one, you get one thing. Cause it's so easy to go on and on. music that we like. And so the thing I like most is figuring out ways to cheat around that. Like I almost thought like, will I maybe I'll just make a public playlist on my favorite like video game covers or something.
01:15:08
Speaker
So I But what decided on, i'm like, oh, when I thought of this, I'm like, this is what people need this recommendation um for this, you know, year and day. And I in our lives is um something, this is this is where this recommendation comes from. Something I used to do when I was like being super burned out and like feeling low is I would do what I would call rave showers.
01:15:38
Speaker
Now don't get excited when hear rave because it's me. It's not like rave, but I would, okay. So I have, for some reason over my shower, they put um a light instead of a vent.
01:15:50
Speaker
I don't know. But that did get the opportunity for like a smart bulb to go in there that I can like have do all kinds of colors.
01:16:01
Speaker
Also, I have a little like essential oil diffuser that I would only pull out for rave showers that also like lit up different colors and kind of this fog machine effect. You know, and then so then I would turn off all the other lights and just have, you know, like lights coming down on me.
01:16:17
Speaker
And I would get my my Bluetooth speaker, which is like specifically waterproof so it can so you know be a shower, not in the shower speaker, but like for taking shower speakers.
01:16:29
Speaker
And, um you know, i would just like. i believe I believe they call it Bliss Out in the show. um andy the album, the best album for this, and I haven't rave showered in a long time, but I do listen to this album a lot late night when I'm working um because ah the project...
01:16:52
Speaker
that I've been working on, in fact, is and inspired by Synthwave because I love Synthwave. And this is a ah sequel album um by Hulent, if I'm saying the name properly, mostly Reddit, who is one of the big names. in like video game remixes and lo-fi kind of music in in general. And the original album was called Legend of Synthwave, and it was remixes from Zelda in ah in a synthwave style. And then just last year, 2024,
01:17:25
Speaker
Legend of Chill Wave was released and it is like the perfect. highly recommend this. If you want to get into ah shower in light and let red and purple and blue light wash over you and forget about your life and pretend that you are a you know, like a synth person in ah a cyberpunk world in a big city. And after you get to have the shower, hop on your electro bike and ride into a neon sunset. Like this is the album for that.
01:17:58
Speaker
um So I highly recommend Rave Showers, you know, candle lighting if that's your vibe instead of, a you know. Multi-colored mood lighting.
01:18:09
Speaker
But um yeah, Legend of Chillwave. And released by Game Chops, who frequently is my most, Spotify tells me every year is my most listened. My most listened because they facilitate the release of a lot of video game remix albums, which is what I usually listen to when I'm working.
01:18:27
Speaker
um So that was mine um for this time. and i we will, let's see, Ben is assigning the new homework. So Lauren, give us your one thing related to video game music.
01:18:43
Speaker
Uh-huh. My one thing was pretty easy. i had quite a few runner-ups last time. um But listener Flancer in ah in the speakeasy, our little a section of Discord, brought up Sayonara Wild Hearts, which was probably like my second or third.
01:18:59
Speaker
And I was like, you know what? Just because a listener suggested it does not mean that I should... not raise it to everybody. that's and since I'm only allowed to have one, it's the one I'm using. um It's one that I listen to a lot during work, even though it's lyrical, which is something I normally can't do. But something about this is just like, it's very poppy and synthy and it all blends in. Like, I think...
01:19:20
Speaker
it does something It does the like flowing from one song to the to another very, very well. um i think of playing the game itself, Sayonara Wild Hearts. it's ah It's a rhythm action game.
01:19:32
Speaker
ah It feels a lot like you are playing the music video for these songs. um Definitely like the lead song is Claire de Lune, which gets tons of points for me because it's my favorite song ever. um and But you know it's like a cool synthy poppy version of Claire de Lune.
01:19:49
Speaker
um It's not all classic like all remixes of classic songs. like Mostly it's original stuff. um But it's just it's a fun story, really cool game that does clever stuff throughout and surprises you.
01:20:00
Speaker
um i think feeding into the fact that like the songs flow so well is like there's an endless mode after you beat every level where you can just play the entire game out in one run. I haven't done that. That seems incredibly intimidating.
01:20:12
Speaker
But... Super cool game. Highly recommend it. And the soundtrack, even if you don't play the game, is also just a good time. Lots of positive vibes. ah Funky at least once.
01:20:24
Speaker
Yeah. Loved it. Anyway, Ben. Um, I had a lot of good options and I really couldn't pick one, but I will pick one. I mean, if we're going to talk about video games with great music, I feel like this is sort of like the obvious, like, I don't know. This is one of the obvious ones.
01:20:43
Speaker
Like everybody always talks about this whenever they're talking about what video games have the best music. Persona 5 has some really good music and, um, You know, it's from the same composer as Persona 3, 4, Catherine. You know, ah I believe it's Shoji Maguro.
01:21:00
Speaker
I don't know if I'm emphasizing syllables correctly. That's not andta not my area of expertise. But yeah, Persona 5 has some some great bangers. And also, it seemed like a way to mention that those other games that I listed have of some great bangers.
01:21:18
Speaker
The first time I played Persona 3, I was like, what is this music? This is all very wild and cool and stuff. And like then by the time we get to Persona 5, just on the top of the dang game. um the The music's really good. The music in the cafe is really good. The fight music, that's really good.
01:21:34
Speaker
Oh, the music when you're heisting really gets you hyped. you know the did you Don't you just want to rebel against all those those shitty adults? that's That's the phrase they keep using I don't know what that's translated from, but they repeatedly make reference to shitty adults in Persona 5. And ah the music really captures that spirit of rebellion, but also just, you know, the the beauty of living a full life and all the diverse experiences that come with it as you, you know, navigate Tokyo and make friends and, you know, do your stuff. Yeah.
01:22:11
Speaker
Yeah. Persona 5. Play it if you haven't. It's been out for like a bajillion years. They keep releasing it on more things. I think you can play it on Switch now. Yeah, you can definitely play it on Switch.
01:22:23
Speaker
ah You couldn't win it when Joker was added to Smash. It was kind of weird. I was like, oh, I'm going play this game, but I can't. You can play Royal on Switch now, right? I think Persona 5 Royal is everywhere.
01:22:33
Speaker
Yes. And that's a great version of the game. But yeah, first came out on the PS3. They just keep releasing everything from that console generation a bajillion times.
Ironheart Deck Building Challenge and Conclusion
01:22:42
Speaker
So there's probably, yeah, you can you can play Persona 5 if you haven't yet. And you should because it's a fun game.
01:22:49
Speaker
Pretty cool. All right. And what's next week's homework? And next week's homework in honor of Disney Plus's Ironheart television program, about which I will not shut up.
01:22:59
Speaker
I mean, like, i i like it. I don't like it that much. It's not the only thing I talk about in my regular life. It's just that we have a Marvel Snap podcast and it's low hanging fruit. And um so anywho, we are all going to build a deck.
01:23:13
Speaker
with Ironheart in it. She just got a buff. You can play her on curve now. One, two, three, boom, boom, boom. I am not telling you what those ones and twos should be. um We're just making Ironheart decks.
01:23:27
Speaker
Listeners, join us. Join us in making Ironheart decks. Are they surfer decks? Who knows? Are they Ravonna decks? Who knows? Are they Clea decks? Anything is possible. Who am I to tell you?
01:23:40
Speaker
This is the secret homework for you, my co-hosts and our listeners. And only you know which 11 cards belong with Ironheart. So get on it. Okay. Love it.
01:23:51
Speaker
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01:24:20
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um Anyway, I promised title tussle last week, ah forgetting that this week was ranking week. So next week for sure. i already have it over halfway done. Title tussle six, if you can believe it.
01:24:32
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ah Tune in for that. Same snap time, same snap channel.
01:24:41
Speaker
Thanks for keeping it tight and snappy, guys. Oh, I try. It's not in my nature. I don't know. It sounds like It feels like talking for much longer than I'm actually talking, but I don't know.
01:24:52
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I don't know. I gotta go. Do we have things? Yeah, Lauren's gotta go. It's been real. It has. Wait, don't close it out. I'll leave it to upload.
01:25:03
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Ooh, good thinking. All right.