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- 0:00:00 Intro / Our Week in Snap
- 0:21:20 Frankie Raye Nova
- 0:22:09 The Fallen One
- 0:30:49 Cosmic Ghost Rider
- 0:38:48 Patch Discussion
- 1:27:28 Secret Homework: All Eyes on Eyes of Wakanda
- 1:48:41 Next Week's Secret Homework
- 1:49:49 Housekeeping / Closing Remarks
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Introduction and Weekly Marvel Snap Experiences
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello and welcome to episode 53 of Snap on This, a Marvel Snap podcast. This week's secret homework, watch the first episode of Eyes of Wakanda. I'm your host Lauren Whadevs, here today with my usual lovely delightful favorite co-hosts. First up, Rhi, how was your week in Snap? And keep it snappy.
00:00:23
Speaker
um Okay, so in contrition for last week's self-indulgence, I will do normal last week in Snap. No flights of fancy.
00:00:33
Speaker
um We start off this week. um I did finally play enough to reach infinite without, like, super trying hard. And I crossed the line with um Safeties or the most recent iteration I had of Safeties Flex deck.
00:00:56
Speaker
um Which was fun. I liked because as Kitty Pryde, I love that Elektra is having, know, some relevance with all the black cats and whatnot running around. That's been real fun. A lot of us have been sitting on Elektra variants for a long time, just waiting for her day.
00:01:12
Speaker
um So, and it's fun. And it has Elsa, which I love. You know, I'll share the deck. There's a lot to be fun. um Safety is also a Stardust Truther. So that's there.
00:01:24
Speaker
Useful. What did, what was a bit of a bummer for me is that it has, it does have Mercury Cannonball, which is very useful, but it's just like...
00:01:37
Speaker
It's not fun for me while everyone else is doing it.
Challenges in Marvel Snap: Reporting and Support Issues
00:01:40
Speaker
It's like everywhere right now. And I don't want to be like, not like the other girls or anything. It's more like I can't handle my own medicine.
00:01:49
Speaker
Like when I started playing ah back when, before the widows got nerfed in the before times. um Oh, it was so fun to double widow people and like be doing all these shenanigans with werewolves.
00:02:04
Speaker
And then every everyone started doing it to me and I'm like, well, this is no fun. I don't like I don't like it if only I do it. Like only I should get to drive on the roads and do the things. So nobody else.
00:02:20
Speaker
um So, yeah, it's just not as fun for me to do right now to people because, you know. It's happening to me. Anyway, so once I got to infinite, I set that aside. and and dead And then on that. Like, it started... it was Snap was just being a real bummer. Like, first I went to, like, report someone's username, which I've never successfully completed the whole process of doing that.
00:02:48
Speaker
Yeah. But I've attempted maybe, a like... you know, two to three times ever, despite probably more people deserving it. But it's just one of those days and it was like a joke.
00:03:02
Speaker
ah sexual assault threat. And it was like, I'm like, that's not
00:03:09
Speaker
And on report and then it's like, okay, first we need you to type out whatever thing you found extremely offensive. Just go ahead with your own fingers, put that to the page because it's not like the simplest thing ever. Like, you know, I know as a programmer like, just like grab that.
00:03:31
Speaker
No. Type it in. Then we would like a paragraph explaining why this thing is offensive. Which looks like... There literal, there are jobs. There are people who major in the art of various cultural sensitivities and things.
00:03:50
Speaker
But it's like, is it really, do I really need to explain? Do you really need me to explain to you why don't enjoy in my fun time, like we're running into this?
00:04:03
Speaker
So just gave up because I was just, it just, they just had me in that. I wasn't going to type this out. I just wasn't going to do it right then. So I left that. um And then while later, it was like, let me fix my problem because Lauren gave me a code for season pass. And I know it went through because I can't purchase it in the web shop anymore. It only shows the super premium.
00:04:28
Speaker
But it never went through to my account. I'm like, okay, finally, I'm going submit something to help and like get this resolved so i go to like help but then because i like opened this reported player name and then never resolved it like it won't let me do anything i can't cancel out of this like request i can't start a new my only options are what is the name and why did it offend you like yeah I had the same thing when I tried to report a name. i had some other bug that I'd been trying to report or like some other thing I'd been in the middle of reporting probably more than a year ago. And it seemed to think that I was still on whatever the same grievance was. And like i had given up on that one yeah clearly without getting it over the finish line. So, yeah, this seems to happen.
00:05:19
Speaker
Huh. Sorry.
Managing Frustration and Rediscovering Joy in Marvel Snap
00:05:20
Speaker
Continue. Sorry for... No, no, but exactly. That's what I'm saying. and and it'sval It's like, this is happening. where it's like And it's like, how much later are you expecting to me to remember the exact spelling of like a name I saw once? like It's over. You can spell it out.
00:05:36
Speaker
And I couldn't do anything else. And I was just like, okay. okay so so So, like, I closed out the game then, and then the next time I tried to get in the game, I didn't have anything. I was jazzed to play. And I get into a game, and before I could even go to mute them, because I pretty much, like, auto-mute everyone, usually, pretty immediately, before I could even do that, they just, like, spam-dumped, like, a whole bunch of, like, offensive mean emotes.
00:06:04
Speaker
Like, or, you know, emotes that are meant meanly. Like, what? Like, based on nothing. Like, literally nothing. The game just started. I hadn't even time to mute them yet. And it's it's like, it feels like, um and I said no flights of fancy. Okay, but it does feel it's like I was going to like a Snap support group. like I was excited my busy life to finally have some time for Snap for a card game because I love card games.
00:06:33
Speaker
cooking decks. I like playing. It's fun to have one that's digital and you can play fast. And it's like, you know, I'm going into a support group and it's like, hey, everyone, I'm so happy to be here. I'm trying to like fix my relationship with the game.
00:06:48
Speaker
Just do what's fun for me. I'm just here to have some fun. I'm just excited to see everyone here. You know, like, ah you know, our time, it's all we have, right, in our lives. It's the most precious thing. So, you know, in our free time, we should really pick the time to do what brings us joy, you know, rather than what tilts us.
00:07:08
Speaker
So with that said, happy to be here. Let's play a fucking game. And then I look up and it's just like, it's the blob avatar with the suspiciously white fluid leaking from his eyes.
00:07:23
Speaker
Just like, I hate you and I hope you die. just like, what did I do to you? just want to play a game. And some people, it's just like, that's how they hit life.
00:07:34
Speaker
You know, just so hatred for everyone and everything they see immediately based on nothing. Oh, and I was just like, was just like close out the game. You're done for the night. I didn't and come here to be hated upon.
00:07:48
Speaker
here to be spit upon. um All right. But then we tried to correct because we had a podcast coming up and we can just be like, got tilted out of the game this week.
00:08:00
Speaker
So I went to cook with nightmare. um that was just another card that I'd been interested in playing for a while. And I like fell the nightmare trap.
00:08:14
Speaker
Like was playing with them with like Agatha and stuff, like the minus one didn't bother me. Like minus one power. So what? If I win the lane, I don't care if it's by one less power. yeah know, I listed on the podcast all the reasons why it didn't bother me. But like.
00:08:30
Speaker
But then it's like what ruins, you know, all good relations. The one thing that you just can't look at, you're like, okay, but like, it doesn't feel neat, does it?
00:08:40
Speaker
doesn't feel tidy. It feels like it's like tidy deck builder. I just have answers building because nobody likes to see an unsightly minus one on your side of the board, right? You just want to clean it You just want to seriously see You just want carnage it. Wouldn't you be a positive number, like a four or a five or something? You paid three for it.
00:08:57
Speaker
Exactly. Right. And a little effort, you know, you could turn it into something more. it's like so I kept like trying to find answers for that. But my dream had been to do a war machine thing because wanted to play Infant.
00:09:11
Speaker
Specifically, the whole dream comboing with Nightmare is that i remembered how fun it is when you take an Infant and you're like, OK, don't change who you are at your course. Stay that 620. Right.
00:09:23
Speaker
But, you know, what if you try out some new things, new clothes and stuff? And it's like, oh, that is fun. 620 of many other things is so fun. And that was the dream. way machine stay And style. I didn't want to do, like, a Sooran thing.
00:09:37
Speaker
No. Like, that's basic. So, like, at least want it in War Machine is fun, you know? Like, Infinite is fun. So, like... I was trying for that, but then I kept leaning into trying to find answers, which starts taking you on a nihilist directions and stuff. And I don't know. I ended up building something and it wasn't like fun because I never wanted to play Nightmare in it.
00:10:00
Speaker
Because like, it's just better if I got War Machine. Then I didn't have to worry about like what all these things are becoming. and there is the change when I were talking about they made a new animation where it'll ghost over each card with the card that it's being overwritten with.
00:10:16
Speaker
But then it like kind of disappears like the image. So it's not like useful. That's what it's always done. So they have that in the patch notes that like it'll show the ghost image of the card that it transformed into. And so I was like, oh, that's that will make him so much more.
00:10:32
Speaker
I don't know, so much better to play as because Stinks, he transforms your whole hand and you have to tap into every single one of them. But I've tried him since the patch and it's exactly the same. So, yeah.
00:10:43
Speaker
OK, I didn't know if it was new. you no answer yeah I didn't even get time to see them all. and By the time I've been like, okay, what is that? Okay, no, it's Khonshu. And then it's like, it's done. It's over.
00:10:56
Speaker
Like, I missed all the rest. I got to click on him. um I'm just like, and hold on, hold on. Normally, play really fast on my turns, but now I got to read like six cards Okay.
00:11:09
Speaker
um So that was kind of bummer for me because it's like I failed in my mission, which was to have fun with Infana and Warrant Machine and a Nightmare. And ah and it was it was not it was not doing that.
00:11:25
Speaker
But then we end in triumph because I was like, oh, hey, wait a minute. What about what about forgot we got like Kid Omega and ah my Toggeese deck, which is my destroyer deck. I meant to play around with because it never been quite right.
00:11:42
Speaker
since ah Electro got buffed to Because that means he didn't die to Lady Deathstrike. And a lot of it was like ramping Electro to Lady Deathstrike. That was a lot of the fun.
00:11:56
Speaker
And I hadn't been able to... If I take out Electro and I don't base it around like a lot of stuff being destroyable and stuff, it breaks the soul of the deck. So like I was trying to keep Electro in there, it had been awkward. But like Kid Omega...
00:12:10
Speaker
It was finally the right answer because while you could Electro, you know, Lady Deathstrike, you could definitely Kid Omega Electro, you know, as an option. um since this is a Numera deck, you know what i mean? Obviously, that's just the obvious answer.
00:12:25
Speaker
Kid Omega thing to do. And this, let me put Shuri back in the deck, who is in the original deck, but had been removed due to other stuff. But like this brings back even more of the soul of the deck because you're usually either making giant Nimrod or making a giant destroyer.
00:12:42
Speaker
and either way, you're making a giant fucking robot. And it's like, this is what I wanted to do. This is what this deck is about. Giant robots exploding everything. Those who see a Gundam shall not live to tell about it.
00:12:55
Speaker
Okay, so, Yeah, I fixed some other things. That's back in. Wolverine was back in. I've been trying Bucky, and now it's really... Yeah, it's really fun for me again.
00:13:06
Speaker
um So, ah You know, that's that's what I've been playing lately. Oh, I updated the name of the deck. I try to switch. Every time it goes through a major change, you know, I try to pick a new Gundam. Now it's Wing Zero.
00:13:23
Speaker
ah I'm glad you found something that you're having fun with.
Personal Experiences and Reflections on Marvel Snap
00:13:27
Speaker
It's always nice when you can revisit a beloved deck that maybe hasn't been working for a while.
00:13:35
Speaker
who Ben, how was your week in Snap and Keep It Snappy? My weekend snap was pretty good. bit light on the snap.
00:13:46
Speaker
i I think it was on is Sunday when they have the hot location. or what like the you know the there's the one that comes There's the one that's after the new card. So like you have your one day to play the new card.
00:13:59
Speaker
And then, yes, on Wednesday there's one. And then the other one always slips my mind. Sneaks up on me. So on Sunday i ah I had a truly, truly rough session of Marvel Snap on on the ladder where like I just had to walk away because I was just like losing eight cubes that I should have been retreating from. But I was like, i got to fix this. But like that's not how you fix it.
00:14:24
Speaker
No. So, uh, I, I was like, eh, take a step back. I'm not even going to tell you what I was playing. Cause I think the deck is good. I think I was just not making good choices, but I don't, I don't want you to associate that story with that deck. But, um,
00:14:41
Speaker
But yeah, yeah, ah just play smart and ah do smart things. So I did eventually decide, like, yeah, just just ah take take a step back.
00:14:52
Speaker
So I did that. i you know I've still been like playing dailies and things, but I'm trying to think of what might be a new fun deck to build, maybe. I, you know, I don't, I don't know what's planned. i'm I'm not assigning secret homework this week, but if I were assigning secret homework this week, I would assign us a deck building thing.
00:15:11
Speaker
And that would be a fun excuse for me to build a new deck that I could get excited about. Cause I usually do get excited when we do the deck building secret homeworks. Like I can't help myself. I want to make it a real deck and then I find a thing I like, and then I started doing that. Um,
00:15:26
Speaker
But what else did I do while I was taking a lighter snap week? Oh, well, this is going to come as a huge shock, but I played some Hades 2 on stream, and um Wombat Combat has now seen me get night one clears.
00:15:45
Speaker
Uh...
00:15:48
Speaker
Wombat Combat has watched Grandfather get his ass handed to him on night one four times. It's happened six times.
00:15:59
Speaker
Last night, with nobody watching, I did finally get what my new goal was, which was back-to-backs night one and two. now that I've done that, I'm like, well, the logical thing is to like try to try to make a streak of it.
00:16:16
Speaker
Anywho, i I don't think I hit affiliate on Twitch, but for some reason it's letting people subscribe to me now. So Bombat Combat and Safety Blade have little badges that indicate that they are founding ground floor Benjamin Roller subscribers. And, um, I don't, I have no idea what that gets them, but I, I, I felt flattered and it tickled me and I was like, Oh look, they've got little badges next to their names. So that's cool.
00:16:43
Speaker
Um, You know, it's high voltage, so maybe I'll play some of that on stream. i don't i i think I think maybe my rule for streaming Marvel Snap is that I only stream limited time game modes because that's what I did last time and it felt very low pressure and fun.
00:17:00
Speaker
don't really like the the backseat driving. or or even even the the potential for silent back backseat driving in the viewer's mind. You know what I mean?
00:17:10
Speaker
i really i really don't want to i don't even want to second guess the possibility of being second guessed. that's That's how I feel about it. And for some reason, with other games, I i don't worry about it as much. And like, I don't know.
00:17:26
Speaker
if you're If you're better than I am at one of the other games that I'm streaming, go ahead and tell me what I should be doing differently. But I don't want to hear it in Marvel Snap.
00:17:36
Speaker
um Anywho. Yeah. um I am kind of excited about high voltage just to because it'll be a way to...
00:17:48
Speaker
play the game while I think of what kind of deck I want to build that i'm I'm happy with with my current main deck but I I do need something to alternate with and I don't know I'm feeling a little bit little bit bored of surfer which is kind of a I don't think that will last because Surfer is fun and there are a million ways to do it. And, you know, that that's all. cool I just think maybe I'm seeing too many other people playing Surfer right now or something. I don't know.
00:18:20
Speaker
But I yeah once everybody else loses interest, it will become more exciting to me. I don't know. I think the game's in an all right spot and I've mostly been having fun with it, except when I do stupid things like start just donating cubes eight at a time.
00:18:38
Speaker
um Yeah, so if if you notice yourself doing that on a day and you you catch yourself not doing rational stuff and being smart, ah do what I did, maybe even sooner than I did, and take a break.
00:18:56
Speaker
Yeah. That's been my weekend snap. Stay frosty, and if you don't, stop playing. yeah Good advice. Uh, my weekend snap was mostly editing because we put out like seven or eight hours of content last week. Holy moly.
00:19:12
Speaker
And I spent, i mean, this is before we recorded really before we recorded two of them. But after we recorded magic magic, I was sick for half of a week.
00:19:23
Speaker
Anyway, the point is I did a whole lot of editing. Um, been trying to get my my triple double with uh with frankie ray haven't landed it yet but i have uh i have hope that it's doable i've done one clip with the fallen one where i gave my opponent a negative one power fallen one so they had no energy on the last turn technically they had one energy on the last turn but they couldn't do anything with it so that was fun
00:19:54
Speaker
Um, I did that. Actually, I did that several times. And the first time I pulled it off, my opponent could still play their giant Deadpool. So I lost despite my efforts to take their energy to zero.
00:20:07
Speaker
i But then like I got another clip where where I pulled it off successfully. um Yeah, it's been a good week. I've had... a I've had fun with the game, just mostly knocking out missions if I'm not working on a project like that.
00:20:23
Speaker
And that's that's fine. you know there willll be there's There's a new project now, which is high voltage. And it seems very doable, which is a good thing. I like it when it's not super duper demanding.
00:20:36
Speaker
um yeah Might as well talk about that here. So it's they said anybody who knocks out the missions twice a day should be able to get Airwalker, which is great because you get missions three times a day.
00:20:50
Speaker
And so, yeah, I applaud them returning. This is how high voltage used to be. You only needed two third effort to to get the card. And it's back to that. So.
00:21:01
Speaker
Good for them. And there's there's a prize at the top. This is what we've asked for. We've said, make it the you know have a stretch goal, sure. there's ah There's a premium mystery variant that you can get if you do every single mission and you play a whole lot.
00:21:13
Speaker
But you don't have to do that to get the card. So I'm happy. um Let's move on.
Card Discussions: Fallen One and Cosmic Ghost Rider
00:21:20
Speaker
Do you have any new thoughts on last week's card, Frankie Raynova?
00:21:29
Speaker
still think it's profoundly mid. Yeah, it's okay if you don't. Yeah, I haven't gotten, so I don't have but I have like gotten it in some like you know random card-getting shenanigans um and other stuff, and it's just like... hasn't seemed that great, but I haven't gotten to play with it myself. I feel like I could do something with it, maybe. Hmm.
00:21:57
Speaker
Oh, you definitely could. She's a hand buff card. Yeah, yeah I don't have anything new. Like, she's fine. But I said that last week, so. Okay, this week's card, the Fallen One, a 5-5.
00:22:12
Speaker
On reveal, set your max energy equal to this card's power. Did you get it? Have you played it? Have you played against it I have played against it, but it took a while. I've noticed this with recent card releases. I'm very often not having my never-before-seen moment until like Wednesday or Thursday.
00:22:36
Speaker
um I don't know if that's because people aren't excited about the cards or if there aren't as many people... who are getting the new release cards and playing with them all the time.
00:22:51
Speaker
know that not everybody's into building decks and stuff for themselves. There are so many factors that... I don't know, but I used to see the the new release cards like on the day of release. you know if If you play for an hour, you're going to see the new card, right? like that That used to be the norm, and that is...
00:23:12
Speaker
no longer as much the thing. think it's got to be in part because there's so many cards coming out, right? Oh yeah. We talked about that. sure So it's not just the problem of like fewer players or people being, you know, pickier whatever. It's like, have they even played the cards they already have? They don't get to be as special.
00:23:33
Speaker
ha And maybe people are being pickier about the ones that seem important to get.
00:23:42
Speaker
Yeah, waiting. i That's what I've been doing. i stopped like Once I stopped having enough tokens to be collection complete, I'm like, I'm not going to open anything up until I feel like I really like need and want to.
00:23:55
Speaker
said I'm still out here trying to mess around with some other new cards I got that haven't played. so um Lauren, you definitely got Stardust, or not Stardust, the Fallen one, right?
00:24:09
Speaker
And you also you you're you're not a fallen one or we're still risen. You and I. All right. an old Yeah. ah Yeah. I I still from past splurges have.
00:24:28
Speaker
tokens to last me a while so i'm just gonna keep being collection complete but even if i was being picky this is a card i would get because it's a fun combo card um i definitely overrated fallen one and i i knew when i did it i think i said both on twitter and here that like this is a risky four star or first place that i'm giving this one the thing is like i i knew you'd be such a threat if you're going into last turn and you have heaps of energy right but An opponent who really cares about cubes is just going to retreat in that scenario, right? It's Mr. Negative and Jane Foster. Like, you just, you don't stay when it's that clearly lopsided of a match.
00:25:08
Speaker
Or it's, you know, the turn five Galactus. Um...
00:25:14
Speaker
So it doesn't have to be that way, right? Like, you can just play this card, like, a little bit early or with a small buff, and then it's much more practical, easier to pull off, people are less likely to retreat, and that's still a strong thing to do.
00:25:28
Speaker
Like, I saw ah Safety was using it basically to to use two tech cards on the last turn. You get a run Shang and Juggernaut, for example. and um But he does not have any kind words to say about this card, even though he has tried to use it Right. Right.
00:25:42
Speaker
I think that's the wrong way to use the card because you could just use Sarah for that. And Sarah doesn't need support. She doesn't need to be ramped. She doesn't need to be buffed. Yeah. Right. Then what is the right way to use this card? Is there one?
00:25:55
Speaker
That's the thing I haven't really figured out yet. ah I have mostly besides silly stuff. I've mostly been playing him in a Nimrod deck and It kind of reminds me of my experience with with Nightmare where it's like he's a fine backup plan, but like if I have Shuri or Symbiote Spider-Man ready to go and I have Nimrod in hand, I want to play the Nimrod, not the Fallen one.
00:26:20
Speaker
like um yeah Now, if you do play a big Fallen in one, like Symbiote Spider-Man and a Fallen one, you have 13 energy on the last turn. There's a lot you can do with that.
00:26:30
Speaker
You can play... like ah you can't play You can play Shuri, Nimrod, and destroy it once or twice, you know especially if you have Kid Omega. like There is stuff you can do that's extremely bursty.
00:26:42
Speaker
um You can play Panther and Zola both on the same turn. But like I don't know. It's a lot of cards that get together, the like the right ones. It just seems like a tall order.
00:26:57
Speaker
Well, and kind of like Nightmare, like you need ah you need a plan for when you don't have Fallen One. Like... i So I think there probably is a deck there. I think it's a super fun card, but it's not a very strong card.
00:27:09
Speaker
The thing that I was most impressed with it actually was like Surge, because then he's a 4-6. That's what's always seemed like the best version of of like... But like that can't be the... Yeah, it's it just doesn't seem like enough to like build a deck around.
00:27:24
Speaker
yeah the The dream of playing the four six Fallen 1. And then he's Wiccan. You get plus 2 energy for 2 turns. And you probably ah could have built Wiccan deck with... Yeah.
00:27:36
Speaker
Yeah. Let's be fair, though. Everything through Surge glasses is looking pretty good, right? Like, what if it costs one less and has one more power?
00:27:47
Speaker
Way better in card. I would be way more. You're not wrong. Which is great because you can play Surge with a bunch of cards that would also be fine if they didn't get hit by Surge. That's been my Surge strategy, is just play Surge with yeah cards that you wanted to play anyway, the normal way, and then if they are minus one cost and plus one, then yeah! But like if they aren't, you don't go home weeping and all that.
00:28:18
Speaker
I feel like Surge is the new Jeff in that way, in that it just really slots into anything, because, like, anything benefits, but you're never usually not, like, tied into it, you know? uh...
00:28:29
Speaker
I sort of hoped that that nerf would be enough to discourage more people from playing her, but I haven't really noticed. But they nerfed Mr. Fantastic first steps also. Increasing the necessity of running surge, yeah. now I'm still enjoying 2-1 surge, I will say.
00:28:49
Speaker
It's just a you do not play cards for a one location interaction, but Fallen One and Project Pegasus is a very fun interaction. i have played Fallen One on turn one. That's fun. That's your plus four energy for for the next five turns.
00:29:05
Speaker
I don't know why my opponent didn't retreat. Probably because I'm low infinite and so people are just playing for fun. Yeah, but also what are you going to do with all that? You have to have big deck to spend that much energy.
00:29:16
Speaker
what ah What that says to me is like, well, their Red Hulk is going to get pretty big, isn't it? Yeah. um It's a weird card. It is a weird card.
00:29:29
Speaker
I've seen one or two people call for buffs, and I'm just like, I don't think so. I think this card's going to be just fine. Yeah, think that's dangerous. Let's not do that. Yeah. Well, i don't think it's good enough.
00:29:41
Speaker
Or sorry, I've seen people calling for nerfs. I said buffs, which means something completely different. I bet there are more people calling for buffs on this card. But I agree, that's dangerous. Well, yeah. Well, I stand by what I said when when i i thought, okay, yeah.
00:29:53
Speaker
ah Don't buff this card. let Let other cards come out that ah the give this card something better to do. yeah We don't need to change the numbers. I think these are the correct numbers for this card. Five, five.
00:30:06
Speaker
As soon as he can support himself without synergy, it starts getting like like stepping on toes of, say, Wiccan, for example. Yeah, I think the game gets smaller if if you make this card too good.
00:30:21
Speaker
I was trying to think, like what is the thing you do? Because if you have a ton more energy, you can play a bunch of one-costs. That's not something that Serra helps you with. So it's like, is there something there? How do you get a bunch of one-costs? Yeah! like Have you just been passing the last five turns? I don't know.
00:30:38
Speaker
I have no idea. Anyway, moving on. Firelord and Airwalker. We'll talk about them next week, even though they're technically available right now, because they just... you know High Voltage just barely started. Yeah.
00:30:50
Speaker
Vibe check on next week's card. five seven Cosmic Ghost Rider. On reveal, remove the text from front row enemy cards here.
00:31:01
Speaker
and remember the hate you spewed at this card. I was kind of like, oh! I hate it. And then you guys were like, no, it's the worst thing ever! And I'm like, whoa! I get it, though.
00:31:13
Speaker
I see it. a five seven to to do what like if we want to if we want to be complaining about cards with with no proactive uses or whatever like uh oh speaking of which i've got another point why merlin and stardust are best friends it's a lot of fun to polymorph a stardust after your opponent has gotten used to the rule and uh Yeah, you can do tricky things that way. Anyway, anyway point is, ah yeah, but cards with no proactive uses, yes, 5-7 Cosmic Ghost Rider.
00:31:51
Speaker
You're really counting on them having something in the front row that you really want to wipe, and there's not a better way to do it with like Enchantress or Red Guardian. or so i don't I just don't see this card even a little bit.
00:32:02
Speaker
Red Guardian is evidence there's lots of things that are that are fun to hit. but like Red Guardian is evidence that three costs are good. But Red Guardian was a three five right?
00:32:14
Speaker
yeah when In his heyday, and this is a 5-7. And he's now a 3-4 and still perfectly fine. I see a lot less Red Guardian now. but not lives That's because is pretty magical. That's there.
00:32:29
Speaker
I'm sure I said it with the ah with the ghost rework, but I think that is such a weird thing to do with Ghost Rider coming up. You wouldn't even let her be three five That was so strange. Well, five Ghost Rider could have been relief for end of like could have been the the release valve for end of turn being too strong. Also happens to hit Invisible Woman first steps.
00:32:50
Speaker
But would it have been? Ghost came in and stole some of that thunder. Cosmic Ghost Rider is even worse than he was. Not that you should be running Ghost. That's the thing. I think Ghost has proven that it's not good. So, like, I think the same thing would have happened with Cosmic Ghost Rider if Cosmic Ghost Rider were the release valve for end of turn front row cards. Whatever. i ah I, yeah, I just don't think this was ever going to be good, Ghost or No.
00:33:18
Speaker
I don't know. I feel like maybe it's just the, like, D-list character I want to invite to my team to finally take ten bullseye.
00:33:30
Speaker
Like, uh, let me take out a Daken, let me take out a... I just want to destroy Bullseye. I don't care what it costs me. I don't care if it hurts me. I just... That is a deck.
00:33:45
Speaker
That's a matchup where Cosmic Ghost Rider matters, for sure. Alright, now we're going to talk about this week's patch. It's kind of short on content, as patches tend to be ever since they stopped being about balancing.
00:33:58
Speaker
Um... they They added Spotlight Variants and Series 3 cards to the card shop. I don't know why this took them so long. like They've been saying in Team Answers forever, like it's coming, we just aren't really sure what we want to do with Spotlight Variants yet. And it's like, they're in the shop for tokens. like Maybe this took a lot of dev time.
00:34:22
Speaker
i don't understand. i don't understand how it could. I'm sure the discussions were heated and full of pros and cons. And ah I don't know. It sounds pretty simple to me, too.
00:34:35
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um Yeah.
00:34:39
Speaker
um It's a good change. Don't people things to spend tokens on? Isn't this a problem for people who have like an unspendable quantity? I mean, like I've got a lot of tokens, but like I i think I'll find things to do with them over time.
00:34:54
Speaker
But like there are people who are sitting on mountains of tokens. Yeah. hundreds of thousands or even over a million I've seen. and This is like, you know, the bigger spenders. But if you don't give these players a token sink, then any bundle that has tokens in it is um like way less valuable to them because the tokens are basically meaningless. They're never going to be able to spend them.
00:35:15
Speaker
So it's nice to see more token things added, but there's not an endless supply of spotlight variants. No, they are finite. We'll talk about it in a second, but there's new conditional bundles coming, and this is how they're this is where they're putting the new special variant. is It's a paid card. So, like, ah they just did it. Fallen 1 is the first one.
00:35:35
Speaker
If you got Fallen 1 within the first week, there's a bundle that you can buy exclusively that ranges between $10 and $20 randomly. ah That is such a... That's its own issue. Yeah.
00:35:48
Speaker
ah That lets you get that variant, but it's not a spotlight variant. They did say like, they'll be available later. We don't know how yet. We don't know how long, but they'll be available later, but they're not spotlight variants. So what is it? What was last week's card? Frankie Raynova. She's the last spotlight.
00:36:05
Speaker
um So eventually these players with heaps of tokens are going to have every spotlight variant if that's something they care to do. And then what? I don't know. Yeah.
00:36:16
Speaker
I mean, hopefully they come up with something else to do with tokens for those people. Yeah. They need to. Yeah. There is one spotlight variant.
00:36:28
Speaker
There might be a few that could convince me, but there is one specifically that I want. It was the second Nico Minoru one. have like two or three Nico Minoru spotlights, and I don't have the second one. It's the one that's like from behind, and it's her face close up.
00:36:44
Speaker
Oh, I think I might know that one, yeah. it's really cool. And I skipped that one. Cause I got the first one, which was like the night forged one. And I'm like, it was the wrong choice. I've been rocking the peach momoko lately. And then that's what I use.
00:36:58
Speaker
Yeah. There's lots of good Nikos though. Let's be real. Um, they added some that I kind of, I make a face about, but you know, yeah, they added new featured sets, X-Men and destroy cards,
00:37:14
Speaker
I feel very mad about They're expensive. What's the point? They're 5,000 tokens. So it's like, and I think that they're priced wrong for sure. I think they should be closer to a collector's pack or maybe just match the collector's pack.
00:37:29
Speaker
They should be an exciting deal. But you know what? They have the data on how those things are selling. Maybe they're doing fine at 5,000 tokens. um And then we have the conditional bundles that we talked about. And there's a bunch of these. There's like hitting infinite for the season.
00:37:44
Speaker
There's ah hitting top 5,000. There's completing the season pass, getting to level 50. And they're basically all cosmetics. I've seen a lot of ah negativity about these.
00:38:01
Speaker
I'm mostly okay if they are trying to monetize cosmetics. But I also think like, hold this feature until you have an exciting feature to launch
Monetization and Patch Updates in Marvel Snap
00:38:11
Speaker
alongside it. How hard is that to manage player sentiment by having something fun come out with your monetization features?
00:38:17
Speaker
Also, specifically, the top 5,000 thing for the the white fire borders. Like, I don't love this, like, well, get good.
00:38:28
Speaker
Like, yeah it was like but the that should not be the message from the... I don't... Like, you should be able to buy the things if you have the money and the inclination to buy the things. Like, I don't like...
00:38:40
Speaker
Don't get me wrong. i When I tanked, when I lost like 150 SP, just throwing away eight cubes the other day, I did knock myself out of the top 5,000. But I was like feeling bad. I'm like, am I depriving someone else who really wants these borders of the opportunity to buy these borders by being in the top 5,000?
00:38:58
Speaker
Like somebody's excited about borders, right? It's not me, but like they're out there, right? And like why why should they be gated from like getting borders just because... they weren't they didn't grind it out or whatever like that just seems ah i think it's interesting you're not good enough to buy fancy borders like it doesn't it doesn't bother me as much since they're like cosmetics and not even super important ones right it's not like it's an exclusive variant of a character that somebody might really care about but isn't able to hit 5 000 it's
00:39:34
Speaker
but Also, that if you do get four of them and you want to complete the set, then you've got to finish top 5,000 every season for like three months. And spend 60 bucks. Yeah. yeah I mean, like I won't be doing it, but also, is this even smart for them? I mean, they seem to think so. i i There's a lot of it that...
00:39:58
Speaker
like What's good about it? I just don't – I don't know. I don't see the reason to do it this way and it does seem – I don't know. A little bit – I struggle to articulate.
00:40:14
Speaker
Yeah, I don't like the developers saying, like, well, you're a scrub, so you don't get to buy the nice borders. You know, like, that's just not... I don't know. so There are so many other nice borders available. i understand that you're not into that, but...
00:40:30
Speaker
I'm much more bothered by the exclusive variant thing. that it It's random if you get the $10, $15, or $20 bundle. And that's like that's not something that you can earn.
00:40:40
Speaker
It's just, sorry, if you wanted this variant and you rolled you know bad RNG on your bundle, then you get twenty then you get the $20 one instead of the $10 one. But think of all those boosters you get the value. Oh, wow. An extra border. Yeah.
00:40:57
Speaker
um I saw online Griffin said it was A-B testing, so maybe it's impermanent. I don't know. I hope so. three
00:41:07
Speaker
Okay. So my thoughts about this are that I get where people are upset. I get it's the argument that cosmetics are what we want to be monetized.
00:41:19
Speaker
But um so it's it's like when we see things like there are so many bugs and new cards are releasing without animations. Like, I'm so bummed I don't have the gold to get the Praxima Midnight version.
00:41:32
Speaker
bundle just because I wanted a variant because they haven't released non-spotlight variant for that card like ever. so I've got a Dan Hip I think that's about it.
00:41:43
Speaker
Oh, did they finally? Maybe they did finally release a Dan Hip for Praxin of the Night? Okay. ah But yeah, so it's been hard to get for people who didn't have the spotlight since I didn't even particularly care that much about this variant. I've just gotten a split before before
00:42:03
Speaker
Anyway, so there are all these things with the game that aren't delivering up to promises. And when they have news to release, like the one news is like more monetization, you know what i mean? and there's one rule is that like, whatever the news is to talk about, that's what people will talk about in there's not like we're not doing a new game mode. We're just doing high voltage again. There isn't like new content.
00:42:28
Speaker
There isn't like a big explosion of fixing problems with the game. It's like the news is that there new bundles that are only available. but Like you can buy that.
00:42:39
Speaker
Like nobody's really, most for the most part, most people aren't going to be that interested. you know, like.
00:42:47
Speaker
i did that's sort of ah i don't I feel bad that i I interrupted just to bring this up, but like it kind of reminds me of like the the grind to discount thing with Kid Omega. like This is grind to get into the store. like that like that That seems something about that is not...
00:43:07
Speaker
what I think they should be doing. I don't know. Maybe, maybe it makes sense for them. Sorry. three but you're right If this was like, we wouldn't be talking about it at all. If this were a side note in an interesting patch of things, we were excited about ah new things. And said, it's like, this is the news. Other than that, snap is the same, which snap being the same, isn't something people are are super happy about. so So I get the argument. Well, it's like, yes, this is what we want them to just say yeah
00:43:37
Speaker
honestly though it doesn't yeah I don't know it doesn't seem like that many people are gonna like And that much money? I don't know. Are they selling it to the other 4,999 people? Because like that's the only way it makes sense is if everybody else loves borders way more than I do. And I don't think they do.
00:43:56
Speaker
I don't know. I was a fan of when they did that. Like here's a $5 like fun variant that everyone can like get. I would throw my money at those little $5 bundles that they never do anymore ever.
00:44:09
Speaker
Not even for their anniversary. Like they used to do that to be like, hey, thanks. Thanks for being great community. Instead, they're like, how would you like to pay us 20 more dollars? Because it's our birthday. Anyway, so. um Yeah, so I get that it's a bummer. and And it's like I get why people are upset. And it's like if this is the only news to talk about, like.
00:44:33
Speaker
Then that's on them because this is not fun news to talk about. yeah And, you know, maybe it's for casual players. Like, they're the ones who are going to spend the money, and they're the ones who don't follow the news closely and don't read the patch notes. Like, I don't i don't understand it.
00:44:50
Speaker
No, you're right about that. I think the the top 5,000 one is unique, and it will be for people who do want to, you know, be sweaty and prove that they were successfully sweaty. Yeah.
00:45:01
Speaker
right If you have a deck full of white... If you have a deck full of whitefire borders that says something... It it says something and doesn't make me respect you one IOT more. No, I agree. There's no way currently in the game... I mean if you go to marvelsnap.com and go to the leaderboards, you can look at historical leaderboards. That's the only way to know that a player has historically hit top 5,000, right? like and I'm fine with them having...
00:45:28
Speaker
some kind of cosmetic that like shows off your success. Although don't think it should necessarily, I don't think it should be locked behind money. I, you know, there, there are other things in the game like that. The, the gold card backs, you have to be so good to hit those.
00:45:45
Speaker
Um, Do ever feel like you're going like incognito when you're not, speaking of like just ah showing off in the game, when you don't use an Infinity Avatar? using oh I never use an Infinity Avatar. I just use default portrait and no shinies on it. i've got I've got the shinies for the default portrait, too. You don't need the shinies for confidence?
00:46:08
Speaker
I always use the shinies if I have them. I think that's actually the real fucking... I don't know. Yeah, that's what I think. Just full stock setup. is i i don't even use card backs.
00:46:24
Speaker
all ah All of the expression is in in the game. Are you bragging about being joyless? Ben hates fun. any There's some speculation.
00:46:36
Speaker
don't know. I like the nondescript... not no nobody avatar. They don't know if I'm good or not. Random shield analyst, I guess, is who that is because you can see like the shield logo in the background. like um They're probably hard at work on the helicarrier or something. you know Really, I judge everyone by their avatar choice.
00:47:02
Speaker
Like, hope that's what reminds me to mute someone. Yeah. I'm like, sometimes I'll forget, but never for certain avatars. I want the only information that they get to be, like, I guess they can see my my username if if they care to read that. And the rest of the information is just the cards that I'm playing and how I played them and stuff. That's that's how I want it to be.
00:47:24
Speaker
Oh, and a fist bump at the end. You can have a fist bump at the end if you aren't an asshole. I've gotten into the habit of waiting now because a lot of people, I was fist bumping a little quicker, but very often I would then see that they were doing rude emotes and I regretted fist bumping them because they're, you know, being either a sore winner or sore loser, as the case may be.
00:47:50
Speaker
Anyway, I agree with you, Rhi. it I understand that there wasn't a new exciting feature ready to go for this patch. I understand the monetization team is a different team than the other teams. Like, that all makes sense to me. But you could just hold these.
00:48:06
Speaker
They could be sitting ready but disabled until you have something exciting to ship with them. Like... They're really just do that with patch updates. They're like, yeah, we won't just update all the ones we hold them to sprinkle them in when we feel like it. So exactly. don't know. I agree. If if this gets people pissed at them, they deserve it.
00:48:28
Speaker
um Okay. ah End of turn doesn't, like, Fantasticar doesn't apply to She-Hulk anymore. i don't know if there were any other cards it was applying to that it shouldn't have.
00:48:39
Speaker
Like, I never saw anything about Sasquatch, but anyway. The notes say Silver Surfer First Step doesn't repeat twice with Wong, but I think it's that was the bug. Yeah, I found that confusing. Thank you for clearing that up.
00:48:54
Speaker
I think they fixed it the other way, so it does, but I have i haven't tried. I think you must be right, because like I've been chewing on that and unable to make sense of it, but you're your explanation works for me. I hope that's what happened.
00:49:06
Speaker
been in the club seats of like not having her or that much. I should have tested her. Like I did test nightmare on that ghost cards thing that they wrote about and it, it they changed nothing.
00:49:20
Speaker
Um, I did have an opponent in that match where I tested nightmare. I had an opponent play Terax on me and he had an animation. So I don't know if that was the patch or something else, but he's, he has an animation now.
00:49:31
Speaker
Uh, he throws rocks to either person's side. sequentially exactly what you would expect maybe um and then one more that we pulled out event timers should now update appropriately when game mode events end that would be a nice change yes uh-huh improvement i hope that is true do have we seen that in high voltage is it does it say the right time it doesn't have a shop so that's not a good test we have to wait for the next big event that has a shop But I have found it frustrating in past events when they um you know tell you stories ah that are not based on that effect.
00:50:09
Speaker
It's entirely unclear if the timer is for the shop or if it's for the mode. Unless the mode's over and then you know the timer is for the shop. ah I do like that the shop's open an extra 48 hours. It just should be clearer. OK.
Speculations and Upcoming Content in Marvel Snap
00:50:24
Speaker
And then, of course, with a patch, we have data mines. We got the whole rest of the zombie season fleshed out. We already talked about a few of these cards last patch. We're just going to go over them again. And in the future, I think we won't cover a season unless all of its cards have text and stats. and Obviously, they're subject to change. like We did see a couple of the androids change. But you know at least this is something we can talk about.
00:50:50
Speaker
So... Our Season Pass card, Zombie Scarlet Witch, three two After you play a card here, Horde plus 2. Horde is an ability that generates a Zombie Horde at another location if you if you don't have one already.
00:51:08
Speaker
So she would generate a 2-power Horde. If you already have it, then it just adds power to the Horde. The Horde is a 0-0 token, so I suspect it's going to be extremely vulnerable to Shadow King.
00:51:22
Speaker
yeah But not Electra. I was wondering what its ah what its energy cost was, but it's zero, I guess. who Currently a zero-zero in the data mines.
00:51:35
Speaker
think this card is boring, and I'm bored it. ah Yeah, it's we we know we know Angela, and this isn't exactly like Angela. I mean, for one thing, Angela costs two, which is a huge point in her favor.
00:51:49
Speaker
I'm looking at this card and i'm like, is this even a surfer thing? I mean, like, I like, I like playing Hope Summers and stuff and surfer. And like, this seems to sort of ask to be played in a Hope Summers lane, you know, like I kind of, I don't know.
00:52:04
Speaker
Like I'm trying to like get excited about this card and it's not impossible. Like I, I can find handles to pull on, to get into the excitement. Um, Yeah, i I think it's interesting and I think it's kind of cool. i like I like that it splits power into different lanes, like you're filling up this lane and making stuff happen in another. And I'm a big fan of threatening multiple lanes.
00:52:30
Speaker
um Yeah, I kind of like Zombie Scarlet Witch. For some reason, i wasn't as excited. like She hasn't changed since the last time we talked about this card, right? I think it's just that she has an illustration and looks like a real card now. and i can you i don't know if I don't know if we had a stat line or not.
00:52:46
Speaker
um I think I remember her being three too okay She's better than... Angela is plus one, and that makes all the difference, right? Angela's plus one right now. I hold out hope that they do the right thing and give us... like They do it every year. like For you know four months, she'll be good, Angela. And for the rest, she's bad, Angela.
00:53:06
Speaker
That's what That's balance and stuff. Yeah. I think she's good. You hit her three times, she's a 3.8, effectively. Like...
00:53:19
Speaker
And I also think that she... Now that you've said that, now I'm wondering if she's good, because I'm not i'm not impressed by the thing you said. You don't love a 3-8? Not that you have to go out of your way to, like, like you really have to, yeah, I don't know.
00:53:35
Speaker
And she's bad late, but that's like that's a problem that Angela yeah late oh and... And Hope already, though, also. Right, but that's the thing. when you if you're going to play her on three, it still feels like for like what you want to do with her, you'd rather play like a Hope, like you were saying. Yeah. but But you play her on three, you play Hope and Kitty on four. like There's something here. oh you could get much better than three. Put a mover on her.
00:54:05
Speaker
like The one thing that I like about her I don't think she needs any other Horde cards to justify putting her the deck. No, think you're right. Like, she totally can go in the Horde deck, but she doesn't have to.
00:54:18
Speaker
Whereas some of the other ones are like, eh, you only belong in the Horde synergy. Like... um okay Do we think the Horde Synergy will... well we We should look at the rest of the cards before we... There will get there are some that'll be more clear on how they need Synergy. Okay, Headpool, this is our Super Premium Season Pass.
00:54:39
Speaker
Probably. It's not all if super clear with the data mines, but he launches as an event card and a month later is a series four. So probably. ah One one. When this is destroyed, return it to your hand, then give all cards in your hand plus one power.
00:54:56
Speaker
They cleared up his text to do what we thought it did.
00:55:01
Speaker
But clarity is good. I like Yeah, I like it, too. It's a fun design. think, like, Deadpool, right? Could you have some... Like, that deck's been pretty samey-samey for a very long time. This gives it a reason to maybe shake it up, hopefully not in a bad way.
00:55:17
Speaker
And then, I don't know where it's going with... but There's a lot of... Getting to be a lot of little cards. You want to destroy, like, Uncle Ben and stuff. And it's like, maybe there's some kind of, like...
00:55:30
Speaker
smell and destroy thing mixed with something else. don't know. I think you're onto something. I think he has to go into a new type of deck because the first one or two times you destroy him, he's doing more than and current Deadpool.
00:55:45
Speaker
Yeah. After that, Deadpool doubles. like if you just If you're destroying him three or four times, Deadpool is more power. ah So I think this goes into like a different type of deck that's a little more ah and rounded and not so invested in giant Deadpool.
00:56:04
Speaker
Yeah, I think that like the connection to Deadpool is more like ah cute thematic wink thing. you know like it's like You can see how this is related to the classic Deadpool ability, but like I don't think these are cards that necessarily go together in any other way.
00:56:23
Speaker
I think as someone who has played and recently been playing a lot of Destroyed, I think you're writing off classic Destroyed way too much with this. It only costs right?
00:56:34
Speaker
yeah If you get it in, you want to get it in so it gets destroyed after Deadpool, so Deadpool gets the buff from it. But also, like, you're buffing up maybe that death, right? Don't you want a free death that's going to get big enough to just win a lane by itself that you play for, like, zero cost?
00:56:51
Speaker
Yeah. You know, at the end, one power is really easy to slot in. I think you're too quickly writing off this and just, like, with some some good old other destroy cards.
00:57:02
Speaker
ah No, that's the thing. I want to play this in Destroy. I just don't like to play classic Deadpool in Destroy. I'm like, I want to play this guy, and I still want to keep on not playing the old one.
00:57:14
Speaker
I can see it with, like, a... like surfer destroy maybe is that too cute but like then you have Nova I we should do it for a secret homework assignment find out like I had so much fun when we did the top and thing yeah okay let's move on our first week series 5 card Colonel America it's zombie Captain America and but conveniently has a different name in this universe so he won't work with Sam Wilson's shield
00:57:45
Speaker
3-3. Ongoing. Your other cards here have plus one power. For each turn, you've discarded a card. Very cool.
00:57:57
Speaker
Really? I feel differently. And it's interesting because we've both played a decent amount of discard. So I'm interested to a difference of opinion. For me, once again, you get into the problem I've talked about so many times. Like in a discard deck, the more debt cards you have that benefit from discard rather than discarding, you can only have a finite number of those because you need to just be able to discard. So a certain amount of deck just needs to be taken up by the ability to discard normally.
00:58:23
Speaker
And this is like, it's a 3-3, and I need to fill a lane for it, which sure will could pair well with some Swarm, I guess. I guess that's my thing. I'm not playing Swarm shenanigans as much. um But it's just like, oh, for me, I'd rather play, you know, it's like, that's not going to take a spot from Mobius.
00:58:40
Speaker
For people are playing Bullseye, they're probably still going to play Bullseye and Dequan and all of that stuff. So it's like, what is this card replacing and cards that benefit from discarding? And once again, i I probably have just overlooked Swim as I usually do because I've been playing Swim for a while.
00:58:56
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yeah Yeah. Even even like in a deck with, say, like Dracula or something, you have like one lane that is not filled. you know You'll have like Dracula and maybe one other thing in a lane.
00:59:09
Speaker
But then like I think there could be a busy lane with Colonel America. like What's the ceiling on this card? The ceiling on this card seems to be 321. um And that's pretty big, right? Yeah, if you discard a card every turn.
00:59:25
Speaker
Well, you're not discarding a card the turn you play if you're playing him on three, you know? Maybe. Maybe not. don't know. Maybe Zombie Power Man's out. We'll get to him in a second.
00:59:37
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Yep. Or Black Cat is in your hand. Like, there's ways. So don't think you're going to see 321 often, but you'll see 318, you'll see 315, you'll see 312. These are better than 38. He big.
00:59:51
Speaker
better than three eight he seems big enough but I do think you're right re that like the turn you play him you're probably so like just any time you're spending energy for you're probably sacrificing to do that see it with the Colleen and little Sif, right? Get them to win a lane.
01:00:11
Speaker
Sorry, what were you saying? Play it with Blade? oh Maybe we play them on turn four with Blade, and then you've discarded a card for that turn, and, then you know, know. I see it. It does make your discarders more likely to win a lane. Yeah, I can't...
01:00:27
Speaker
Doesn't get hit by Moon Knight. And like you can just play him on the last turn. Maybe i feel like the first time I looked at it before the show, I was like, ah, familiar Captain America type stuff. But like Captain America does like plus one. Like this is like a big number, right?
01:00:45
Speaker
Does Captain America do plus two? Am I reviewing how little I play Captain America? He's plus two only on ongoing cards. I've never made much time for Steve. He was plus one when he busts every card.
01:00:58
Speaker
yeah Yeah, that's right. But he does well. Now that the shield is there with like... ah Sam Wilson, Captain America, all of that. He's actually playable for the first time. I play against Steve. I just don't i don't i don't worry too hard about him.
01:01:19
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I think they did a great job buffing him, making him playable.
01:01:24
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uh okay and then first week series four cards we have zombie giant man a five actually let's let's do power man because he he's more of a colonel america friend zombie power man this is luke cage a two four end of turn if you're winning here discard the leftmost card from your hand
01:01:49
Speaker
I think it's awkward. have their a guess a occurre Well, there's that. But I think it's awkward that you don't really get to control him, right? Like if your opponent just gives you that lane, you're discarding a lot of cards.
01:02:01
Speaker
I don't know if it's safe to play him ah if you don't have like Swarm, Apoc, Scorn. Well, that's kind of thing. I think you you will have those things. i Yeah, I like this card.
01:02:14
Speaker
I think it's neato. i'm not I'm not sure if it's good or not. I just know that I like it. I haven't thought that deeply about But, like, I love targeted discard. And even though it's not...
01:02:27
Speaker
i wish I wish it were end of turn, discard the leftmost card in your hand or something. Maybe I don't wish it was that because that might be a little... I don't know. the The part that I like the least is the if you're winning here because I just like to know what's happening. you know I don't like leaving my fate in my opponent's hands in that way.
01:02:48
Speaker
um But I think that discarding the leftmost card is a good thing. That's what redshift does.
01:02:56
Speaker
I think maybe it could be pairing well with Morgan Le Fay. I once was playing someone who was doing some interesting Morgan Le Fay stuff where they were killing Sinister early. They were doing a little mini destroy, bringing it back. was very intrigued. I feel like they were winning and I stayed because I just went, what are you doing? want to Maybe this goes into that sort of thing.
01:03:22
Speaker
I mean, he's good support for Colonel America, right? Like that too. start a card every turn. good chance of that happening. Especially if you invest in that lane. Also, you know what I like about him?
01:03:34
Speaker
Probably doesn't go in an invisible woman. First steps deck.
01:03:40
Speaker
I like end of turn cards that aren't friends with the other ones. Good. I mean, you could do it. You could make an invisible one. for I like that you could do it. And maybe there is something for someone to get really wild with it. You know, like i I like cards that are interesting and this is an interesting card.
01:04:00
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yeah Make sure you discard your Proxima or hit Scorn a couple times.
01:04:07
Speaker
It's interesting. Okay. Zombie Giant Man. Five, three. I think this is Hank Penn. Do either of you know? yu Okay. So i I've seen people be like, we don't have Power Man or Giant Man yet, but like we kind of do. It's Luke Cage and Ant Man. But like Giant Man has been like multiple.
01:04:26
Speaker
Power Man is always Luke Cage. Mm-hmm. Well, that's what we're saying. I'm trying to remember from the episode who was giant Man. It was... to say Oh, are we talking about the What If episode? The What If, right?
01:04:41
Speaker
Like, comic event thing from, like, 2006 or whatever.
01:04:49
Speaker
I'm pretty sure Hank. I've not been in that in into Zonch's... Anyway. um Zombie Giant man This is the other week one series four card. Five three on reveal horde plus one. then this gains power equal to your zombie horde.
01:05:07
Speaker
This is the one that makes it an archetype. Otherwise, a lot of them feel like they could go solo. But this is totally wants them all together. um It's interesting that they're making the synergy card the series four.
01:05:21
Speaker
But. Maybe it's a good choice.
01:05:25
Speaker
Makes it easier for players to opt in if they want to if they want to play the Horde archetype. I'm not excited about it, to be honest. Big, right? Like...
01:05:39
Speaker
I mean, oh my gosh, I was right. 2005 to 2006. Sorry, that's where my my mind was. I was like, when did that Marvel Zombies comic come out? And yep, that was the right era. They've been redoing it like every year since. No, I'm sure they have because that's that's what they do.
01:05:55
Speaker
Yep. It must sell well or something. i here's the thing I do remember that there was a zombie giant man in that one. And I i think that like that's the thing.
01:06:07
Speaker
um who Who were? Yep. Giant man is one of the zombies that attacks the silver surfer. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. He becomes one of the zombie galacti, believe.
01:06:19
Speaker
Yep. That's correct. Captain America, Iron Man, Giant Man, Spider-Man, Luke Cage, the Hulk and Wolverine. Yes, we have some of these characters represented on two cards this season. um We'll get to zombie galacti.
01:06:31
Speaker
I think zombie giant man is probably good. Like if you invest in horde, he doubles all those hordes. He makes us that Scarlet zombie, Scarlet, which is after you play a card here, horde plus four.
01:06:42
Speaker
course you're paying five energy for that. So like you really have to be all in, but I think he will be very big. Assuming your opponent hasn't already shonged or shadow kinged your horde.
01:06:54
Speaker
Oh, that's going to be sad when that happens. Not my type of card. I don't like that he costs five.
01:07:04
Speaker
Yeah. He is a cool card to proc multiple times. That's true. That's a good point. Because each time you do get the horde plus one thing as well as the the power gain.
01:07:19
Speaker
I don't know. I think it's cute to to do that more than once. Yeah. Still think it costs five.
01:07:28
Speaker
What were you saying? Everything's fun with Wong. um The next card seems so strong in comparison. Just to like jump us. It's Zombie Mr. Fantastic So I was just reading this for the first time. Go for it. Finish it And it's like on reveal, horde plus two, and then also activate, give four of your creative cards plus one power.
01:07:53
Speaker
And it's like, okay, this is already a two four and you get an extra bonus. Like, how is that not too much? Yeah. i have a big question that might it might answer that question of how is this not too much? ah Where are the other three coming from?
01:08:10
Speaker
The other three created cards. don't Maybe it's a Victoria Hand card. But it's activate. You know what mean? So you can do that later when you actually have those cards out, right? Yeah. Yeah, but are you playing, like, zombie? Like, is this... Does this belong in the Horde deck? Is that perhaps... No! It belongs in a Victoria Hand deck, right? Or a zombie Galacti deck.
01:08:33
Speaker
Or, yeah, somewhere where you just have a bunch of, like... Where the Horde itself, you're gonna get bonuses for being a created card. Is is the Horde thing just, like, to to trick people like me who want the card to make sense with itself?
01:08:45
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I...
01:08:48
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the The zombie horde is a created card, so he's Yes, but it's just one. But the thing about the horde is that it's always just one. like That's the whole point of the horde mechanic is that we're putting all our eggs in that one basket. And he's like, look around for four baskets and put one egg in each of them.
01:09:03
Speaker
And like the other part of his the the other part of his text says, you love putting all your eggs in one basket. I don't know. don't know. i think I see it slotting very well into like the I've been playing tons of Victoria Hand Moonstone stuff and it's like right this goes like give my I'll give my arrows an extra one point of power. you don't know what I mean? okay shipping Like I just don't I find it aesthetically displeasing that like doesn't want you to play the other hard cards with it.
01:09:41
Speaker
Yeah. No, I agree. I don't think it does. I don't think it belongs. think you're right. It's good card for, like, Victoria Hand purposes. It's too much. Yeah, it's already big. Yeah, like you said, it's a to start with.
01:09:56
Speaker
And, like, that's what you want with your arrows. You want to you keep them, you beef them up, but you still keep them under, like, you know, shungable power, you know? Like, you keep them at a 9. So you want to, like...
01:10:08
Speaker
remember I don't know. Yeah, the floor is too high. This is bit much, isn't it? But they're pretty okay with making cards be higher power if it's spread across multiple lanes, right?
01:10:21
Speaker
Like, Mr. Fantastic is Dr. Doom is a 6-15. Like, they're okay with that if it's spreading. But I mean, look at the other cards, just the stat, like just what you get. used to be rare to get a two four. It's like, oh, a two four is big. You know what i mean? Yeah, this guy does start two four.
01:10:42
Speaker
And like the only downside is, I guess, the Mysterio downside that you're taking up multiple spots. ah Yeah, it did does seem like another card that will play with this zombie for some like nonsense. Give you Mysterio. Mysterio would be a great card. with There's three created cards.
01:11:01
Speaker
And their account is created until one of them isn't. yeah hu
01:11:07
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i i I understand why you're not liking the like aesthetics of this card, but I think it's nice that they're letting these Horde cards exist outside of the Horde archetype too, right? Otherwise we have a whole season where it's like, you have to play these together.
01:11:23
Speaker
do think that's good. right Whereas we have like Colonel America and Zombie Power Man that are at the discard archetype. We have Head Pool and Zombie Captain Marvel that are that are destroy cards.
01:11:36
Speaker
yeah You know, we have one little card getting added for the created card type, which also, I mean, maybe all Horde cards are sort of created because the Horde itself is created. But like Mockingbird will benefit from that.
01:11:53
Speaker
Not Victoria Hand. Okay. And then i don't I don't know what this next one is. It's a limited time event card, but then we have more later. So I don't know if we're going to have two limited time events in October, or maybe one of them will be for, like, anniversary celebrations, because we're coming up on the three-year anniversary for Snap.
01:12:18
Speaker
Who knows? But anyway. had two cards. We had Mad Thinker and Mole Man, you know? Yeah, but so we have Hunger one week and then the next week we have Dum Dum Dugan and Zombie Century.
01:12:31
Speaker
So I think those two would be in the same event. I have no idea. It could be two events in the same in the same month. they've They've done that before. Also, what if the Hunger is the... I mean, like it wouldn't be because it's not impactful enough, but like what if it was the champion skill for a Grand Arena champion?
01:12:51
Speaker
It's not because Horde plus three is not on the level of any of those Grand Arena champion things, but I'm like... yeah What's the cost? It's one... it's a one It's a one cost card. Okay, so the hunger is a skill.
01:13:07
Speaker
One cost on reveal Horde 3. And we think it's an astral projection freestanding skill card? Yes, in fact, I'm quite sure it is because it has like four or five variants data mined for it already. Oh, wow.
01:13:23
Speaker
ah Fun to play with Joaquin Torres, as we found out. That was my first thought. I'm like, R6, yes. yes We're just pinging them with like one drop slots on a Wong.
01:13:38
Speaker
oh with Wong and Joaquin Torres. I guess it's just one... Oh, no, that solves the problem. Because the Flames of Faltine, it's like you just overkill that lane, you know? Like, you don't need to also then save the lane or something because you just blasted it to death with Clea's Flames of Faltines. But the problem is how do you use that that setup? You're like Wong, Joaquin, which is super fun when they don't have a way to stop it, to also win another lane? And the answer is the hunger. Mm-hmm.
01:14:08
Speaker
One cost for power in another lane. Something we haven't already said explicitly, but Rhi, you love reach, and Horde is a reach ability. I was thinking that was the first thing I thought. Hold the hunger for the end of the game, and you can control where that Horde pops up. Yeah, that's an idea.
01:14:26
Speaker
That sounds like a whole plant. I mean, I still don't love the freestanding skill card thing about it, but everything else about is cool. I'm like, is Niko's plus two skill the only one that's like explicitly a one cost card that can power another lane? I'm squirrel girl.
01:14:43
Speaker
It's kind interesting. You know, I miss one cost forge. He did exist. Yeah, that was this that would have been the same sort of thing.
01:14:54
Speaker
Um, hey. a America Chavez is kind of that. And then another Series 5 card, Zombie Captain Marvel 4-4.
01:15:06
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Activate, destroy your other cards here to get plus 3 power for each. Move to a location you're losing.
01:15:17
Speaker
think the callback to existing Captain Marvel card is super cool. I don't like that it's a 4-cost activate. Yeah. and I mean, it works for Fantasticar, though. So, like, maybe maybe this... i mean, i i like I like the effect a lot. The super carnage into a move.
01:15:36
Speaker
And like I like that you can activate it on a turn when you spent your energy on whatever else, you know? Like maybe playing cards to be destroyed there. Nimrod. Right? This would go perfectly into my deck that I've been playing. This card seems strong.
01:15:52
Speaker
Oh, this is a good Nimrod card. Right? what I'm saying. Even though location you're losing little bit... a little bit
01:16:02
Speaker
I don't know. it's It's not as good as the Captain Marvel smart move at the end of the game. you know It's not quite as good, but it's really close, and especially if you don't have Prya.
01:16:15
Speaker
i think I think I mostly like this yeah for the reason that it's a big Venom carnage thing. That's, I think, the thing I like most about it, more so than the move, which is funny for me. but It's definitely good as a destroy enabler.
01:16:31
Speaker
Yeah. yeah I just like a super carnage, I think.
01:16:39
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Seems like a very strong card. I like it. Yeah, it's one of my favorites this season. i Then we have two more event cards. Probably series four. Dum Dum Dugan, who is from... How do we say his name?
01:16:54
Speaker
Dugan? I say Dum Dum Dugan. Yeah. yeah That's how they say it in Marvel Ultimate Alliance. I'm going to trust that. Dum Dum Dugan, we've talked about him before, but he has a release date now.
01:17:06
Speaker
And then, Zombie Sentry reveal, Horde plus 1 for each of your cards at the right location. Another that calls back to the non-zombie version of this card.
01:17:20
Speaker
Yeah. I don't think Dum Dum Dugan seems like... I mean, does he in ongoing decks or something? We've already talked about Dum-Dum. We're skipping Dum-Dum.
01:17:31
Speaker
He's not a zombie. We're talking about zombie. That's true. Century. Sorry. Yeah, I think it's fine, but boring. Like, I don't know. Like, I'm not excited to do stuff. He's mostly bad, actually.
01:17:43
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, I just don't. Yeah, maybe a surfer horde thing. If you stack that lane and play him there, it's a 3-8. like And I know I was talking about Scarlet Witch being a good 3-8, but you can play stuff after her. A zombie sentry has to come at the end. Yeah, I don't see this card at all.
01:18:04
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i don't know.
01:18:07
Speaker
I don't know. He is on reveal, so you can do shenanigans with that, but like only so many shenanigans, you know?
01:18:16
Speaker
He's not super big. And the only like payoff like the only reason like hor like the the reward for Horde is just Zombie Giant Man, right? Mm-hmm.
01:18:28
Speaker
So like that's the only thing that would make this card better than its numbers that it's telling us. And I just don't yeah i don't see it. I don't think this card is good. Okay.
01:18:43
Speaker
Last series five of the season, this super weird zombie galacti. Because there's a bunch of zombies that eat Silver Surfer and then use the power cosmic to eat Galactus.
01:18:55
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And they split his power amongst them. Seven four zombie galacti. Start of game. Choose six other cards in your deck. On reveal, transform those cards into copies of this.
01:19:11
Speaker
That can't be real, right? There's almost no way they're going to add more time in the game that like everyone loves because it's short in the game that has the conquest mode that the people who don't like it don't like it because it's long. that They're going to add a card that asynchronously adds, you know, where someone's going to have to wait longer at the beginning of the game. It's got to change. No, no, no, no, no I think it's random.
01:19:38
Speaker
Randomly chooses six cards. Oh. So half the cards of your deck are going to turn into Galacti. You're going to turn into seven fours?
01:19:49
Speaker
Yeah. it's It's a really weird stat line, right? Why? Yeah. Why did this happen? I don't understand.
01:20:01
Speaker
but One of the obvious things... You have to ramp it out, which is hard enough on its own, but one of the obvious things is Shuri. Okay, so then then you get... seven cards that have eight power, but some of them might still be in your deck. Some of them might still be in your hand.
01:20:18
Speaker
You don't know which ones they are. They're going to lose their text.
01:20:23
Speaker
I just don't see it. It doesn't make sense what what How do you use this card? what i Honestly, like I'm wondering like what thing is going to change about this card. before like how How many things are they going to change about... like is it going Is some element of this card going to be recognizable in the final product? Because like i kind of wonder if maybe the answer is no.
01:20:44
Speaker
Okay. One thing I do like about this... Cerebro 4 is great, except 50% chance that Cerebro is one of the target cards. Cerebro is the target... Yeah. Oh, and it's actually higher than 50% because it's 6 out of the 11. Anyway...
01:20:58
Speaker
anyway um The wording choose is very weird because, it like you said, it sounds like you would not have a choice. would be the opposite choosing. Yeah.
01:21:08
Speaker
Zombie Galactite chooses. um i One thing that I do like about this card is it is a standalone archetype in a single card. Like...
01:21:20
Speaker
doesn't doesn't need synergy designed to work with it, right? There is an existing deck that you can make that is a zombie galactite deck. I don't know if it's good, but you only need this one card to open up that archetype.
01:21:33
Speaker
Yeah, yeah it's really weird. You have to buff the shit out of this card and ramp it out. i mean, okay, so Surge, it's a like...
01:21:46
Speaker
five like Yeah, I don't get it either. I just, yeah, I don't think it... Which part of this card stays? Because I don't think it's the seven.
01:21:57
Speaker
I don't think it's the four. I don't even know if it's the start of game. Choose six other cards in your deck. I think the most likely part of this card to stay is on reveal, transform something into copies of this.
01:22:10
Speaker
The text is so unique, though.
01:22:15
Speaker
Yeah. it's I just don't... I don't even know if it's worth trying to evaluate card. That's what I'm saying. like How much are we going to help are we going to speculate on it? It's hard to even read. refuse to give my head a card that doesn't exist.
01:22:32
Speaker
And cannot. I think it is fun, but yeah. go Weird. Goofy. Bad. All those things. um Okay. Okay.
01:22:45
Speaker
November, we don't. Before we move on. Yeah, ah yeah, yeah. Just looking at Dumb Dumb Dugan made me think, has the name of that actor Neil McDonough? And then I realized it is, and I and did a quick Googling.
01:23:00
Speaker
He's been blackballed from Hollywood. He claims because he's unwilling to kiss women who are not his wife. I don't know if that's true. I just know that it came up on three Google searches. That's what he claims.
01:23:14
Speaker
It seemed interesting. I think there are plenty of movie characters who don't kiss on screen. Yeah, I have to say, I don't think that would be enough to derail your career. But I'm also not even sure his career has been derailed. I've seen him in a lot of things.
01:23:28
Speaker
Because it doesn't seem like he's the leading person that often anyway, which is usually the person who gets to do the kissing.
Exploring Marvel and Wakanda Through 'Eyes of Wakanda'
01:23:36
Speaker
I remember I saw him as... He's the villain in Paul Blart Mall Cop 2. I Also, like...
01:23:45
Speaker
Why be it if you didn't want to? I don't know. It's just weird. why be better Generally part of acting is that you have to like be in situations with strangers that you, you know, like as you pretend to have relationships with them.
01:24:02
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I would like to an actor, but I refuse. t This was just a fun fact that jumped out at me, and I was like, well, my co-hosts deserve to know why I got distracted as soon as Dum Dum Doogan showed up in the show notes. I was like...
01:24:19
Speaker
ah Well, we're not going to talk about him, but maybe we have to. Okay, just a few other things to call out from the patch. We see names for November's cards. No abilities yet, but it's a Spider-Man season. We have Superior Spider-Man, Spider-Punk, Man Spider, Spider-Man Noir, Prowler, Ezekiel Sims, the bad guy of Madam Web, Hydro-Man, Chameleon,
01:24:42
Speaker
I also saw Prowler somewhere. I said Prowler. Oh, you did? Okay, I missed it. Also, is is that Prowler going to be the Hobie Brown Prowler? i because like i I don't know anything about what has happened to Hobie Brown since Spider-Man The Ultimate Guide, the the Bible for Spider-Lore from 2004.
01:25:01
Speaker
But I know that Hobie Brown was the Prowler, and then I saw the the second Spider-Verse movie, and I'm like... Oh, I guess Hobie Brown is Spider-Punk. So i don' I don't know what's going on with mantles and names.
01:25:14
Speaker
I mean, i bet we're going to get the Uncle Aaron Prowler. but I would think so. There was Spider-Punk comic recently because Spider-Verse, of course, got them to release all these different...
01:25:26
Speaker
um Spider comics. And it was like all right story, but the art was so fun. It was done in that like old kind of underground comics. I'm thinking of a specific artist. This is around the time of um Harvey Picard, but there's a well-known artist who started with an R. I forget. Anyway, it's kind of reminiscent of that style. Someone's going hi Scott or Adam or someone's going to know exactly who I'm talking about.
01:25:53
Speaker
yeah But like... um It was really cool. It's worth checking out for the art, for sure. I'm a sucker for good art. um There's a bunch of theme skills in there. they To me, they look like they're themed for Spider-Man. So I'm thinking Spider-Man Grand Arena.
01:26:10
Speaker
um At the end of October or early November or something. Who knows? And then there's a bunch of silly locations in the patch, like 18 of them, like Superflow spelled S-O-U-P.
01:26:23
Speaker
And they have silly abilities. and Those are Deadpool's Diner, though, right? The best guess I've seen is Deadpool's Diner remake. Maybe it'll be based on having some silly locations in there, which I think would be a delightful change.
01:26:35
Speaker
Yeah, anything that makes it not a regular snap. Yeah. yeah A lot of them have abilities that are based on how many times somebody snapped, which like that's the Deadpool's diner thing is you can snap. hey There are multiple snaps. So leaning into the distinct mechanics of the mode. That's cool. Good.
01:26:51
Speaker
I like it. Yeah. So that could be an October, November e thing too. I would guess end of November line up with Thanksgiving. They like to do that anyway. Exciting stuff.
01:27:03
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Yeah, that is exciting stuff. I like it when the the modes are fun and good and cool and have stuff going on. I'm glad that they're willing to rework it, too. They recognize how much we did not enjoy the experiences. is Yeah, I'm glad to have not been playing Deadpool's Diner all this time, but also yeah for real I've played a lot of high voltage, so I don't know. Yeah.
01:27:27
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Good zone. zone. On to our side quest. First up and only secret homework. This week's secret homework is from Ben. Well, my secret homework was...
01:27:42
Speaker
What's up with Eyes of Wakanda? I don't know if that's the the title of the homework assignment, but I was like, hey, let's find out what the deal is with the the latest Marvel offering on Disney+. plus And so we all watched the first episode of Eyes of Wakanda, and I'll even reveal that I watched all four of them.
01:28:01
Speaker
And now we're going to talk about So if you don't want that first episode of eyes of Wakanda spoiled, then perhaps I will probably blurt out some facts about other episodes.
01:28:12
Speaker
Uh, I'll try not to. I haven't seen it yet. I've only seen the first episode. Then I will speak only in the most vague terms, but, uh, so it sounds like you may have interest in watching more episodes.
01:28:27
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Uh, I, I will, I will, I will say I enjoyed the first episode of, you know, I think I give it one, one thumbs up. Two thumbs up is sacred. You preserve that for very special things, but um I give it a one thumbs up for the first episode of Eyes of Wakanda.
01:28:44
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um shall i Shall I say some specific thoughts? Shall I perhaps even summarize the episode? I'm doing it. Try to stop me. Okay, this comes from Wikipedia, right right from the the wiki's mouth. um In 1260 BC, the former Dora Milaje Noni is tasked by her mentor Akea with a mission to hunt down and capture a rogue Hatutsaraze agent named Ngati, who has defied all previous efforts to apprehend him.
01:29:11
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Achaia fears that Nekati will share Wakandan technology exposing the kingdom. Calling himself the Lion, Nekati plans to create the Pride of the Lion, an independent state populated by abducted men and women from across the world.
01:29:25
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Noni allows herself to be captured during raid on Minoan Crete. After hijacking a ship and freeing the other captives, Noni infiltrates N'Kadi's deep-sea complex. After surviving attacks from several trained warriors, Noni confronts and subsequently defeats him in a duel.
01:29:38
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The mortally wounded N'Kadi triggers a self-destruct device, which destroys the entire complex. Noni survives the explosion, and Achaea invites her to return, or to rejoin the Dora Milaje.
01:29:51
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The fiercely independent Noni instead chooses to join the Hatut Zaraze, a.k.a. the War Dogs. So i guess yeah i will start with like stuff that i I liked about it. I liked the animation. I thought it was pretty good. I didn't think it was like...
01:30:10
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Oh, yeah. The extra credit was to watch K-pop Demon Hunters, which I forgot to do. i i do i do intend to rewatch it one of these days, though, because I did enjoy it so much on the first one.
01:30:21
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But, yeah, I liked the animation. i liked this protagonist. Unfortunately, she only shows up in one scene in one other episode. Sorry. Oh, Fudge.
01:30:36
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Hi. I'm glad to have my expectations aligned. It seemed like it was going to feature her in Beel about her. But I was find that going to go on a one-off. I was like, I want to watch more because I want to see what happens to Noni.
01:30:50
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Having seen all four episodes, I will say I think I would have liked it better if there were more than four episodes. It seemed... Oh, you're episode. You're not going to be able to stop talking about the other episode. All right.
01:31:07
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ah Okay. so The only other thing I was saying is that I liked the second episode. Keep an eye out for Paris. He's my favorite character. um Okay.
01:31:18
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Yeah, but i liked i like the animation. I had some questions about like some plot things. i that There was a ah point when some of the there were there was talk of like re-educating some of the lion's slave women and stuff, and like he you'll learn his songs and his stories and stuff. And I'm like, wait, so was Wakandan culture also leaking out when when this dude went rogue? Or was it just the technology? Because like the The show and the subsequent episodes kind of make it seem like it's all about just recovering the vibranium artifacts. But, like, if this dude is, like, passing on stories and things and, like, songs and epic poems and stuff, like, about, like, the history of Wakanda, that also seems like stuff they would want to keep a lid on. I don't know. I just...
01:32:08
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I had some questions about plot details and how his slave empire worked and what his – the specifics of his god-king plans. you know I don't know.
01:32:21
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But it's it's a short show. There's not time to answer all my questions. Okay, but like what you're saying is exactly interesting me because the way I read that scene differently, read it as a he wants to be glorified, right? And it's an interesting contrast in that he's so he has such a vitriol for like Wakandan government, right? And for what they're doing.
01:32:46
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But it's like, in a way, isn't he just rebuilt? He just wants to be worshipped as the God King the way like the Black Panther is. So like, right, you see that hypocrisy. There's that seed of truth where he's talking about, you know what i mean? ah Like being free to pick, you know, having freedom and stuff. And then like, that's the part that it's like, but what did you choose to do with that freedom? Enslave others.
01:33:15
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Yeah. But worse, because they show at the end.
01:33:19
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yeah but worse cause they show at the end Just sorry to wrap up my thought. They show at the end that you triggered with your with your discussion. Sorry, just to give this on the fly. It wasn't something I prepared.
01:33:30
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and Like at the end though, right? Because then they show that that her choice in getting to pick the path was presented by Wakanda, right? was By the the organization that was supposed to be the oppressor was the one that like all along was, you know, letting her choose her own path.
01:33:47
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yeahp Noni asked him, like, if it's freedom, why chains? And he said something like, for future generations, and also like, he somehow explains that chains will lead to their freedom or something. Yeah, it sounded very much like, um i don't know, culty or like, yeah, definitely hypocritical. And He definitely needed to be stopped.
01:34:09
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um Interesting to have a ah character with gray morality. or Yeah, I just think that like in the in the tradition of previous stuff, like i didn't you know how like Killmonger kind of had a point?
01:34:22
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I did not feel that this guy kind of had a point about... like much of anything. most It was very selfish. He was very like, but they lie to us. they they dig They keep us in the dark, secrets and things. But like, I i don't i don't know.
01:34:38
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But it's in that vein. I think you articulated that well, Rhi. ah Of like how... Right. The people who are always like the way he talks to her, right? Who's like, we all, right? Like they want to like, you're like me and we both hate this. And because I felt that sometimes, honestly, a lot of times when you're in like the Midwest, like really racist people just like immediately right out of the, bed like, it's like, how is this the first and kind of a like we all, right? And then saying, I'm not.
01:35:12
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ah like The yeah conspiratorial like turn to you and be like, oh, these are yeah. Right, but that's what he's doing with her, right? Like, you agree with me, you agree with me. It's like, you know, she's like, fuck you. Like, that thing, you look and you know she's never, even for a little bit, going to be convinced, right? You were looking at the back of her, you're not watching her move, but you've known her character enough to know that, yeah, he is just the putz, right? He's not killing, he's not...
01:35:39
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He's not even really charismatic to the degree that he You know, he's he's relied on the relics, right? And the Kwekandan tech that he is despising for like everything he has.
01:35:51
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It's not his natural charisma score that he rolled with his D&D character. Yeah, he hides behind a cool mask. Also, i don't think this came up in the summary, but... Noni, we don't know exactly what happened, but she...
01:36:08
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She didn't quit. She was fired from the Dora Milaje for being too much of a reb, just too much of a maverick, blazing her own trail, carving her own path. And so that's why the lion thought that maybe they could be like kindred spirits or something. Or maybe like that's that's why like you're supposed to think that maybe she's being tempted by this rhetoric.
01:36:27
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Like you're you're supposed to be like, is she going to? I mean, obviously not, because like you can tell that her heart is true and like she's got like a sense of justice and stuff and doesn't love anything.
01:36:37
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people being enslaved. That's the other thing. Like she can't keep her head down when she, when she sees the, the injustice and stuff. And she's like, she's been advised to like, not call it like, you know, stick to the mission and don't, you know, blow up your own spot and stuff. And, but she, yeah, I don't know.
01:36:57
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any anyway You should, you should watch it. That's what I think. I thought it was fun. I don't know. Did we all like it? Yes. we Do we all give it the thumbs? One or more? yeah, for sure. I loved it. i I'm ready to launch my thoughts.
01:37:15
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Are you prepared for that time? Okay. One, about the animation, yes. I honestly really loved them. only complained. I loved... The very fun, like clean, like not too realistic, just the right amount of stylized like animation against those beautiful painted backgrounds.
01:37:35
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My only complaint is I kept looking like, oh, look at those painted clouds. And it's like, if this were if I was animating this or this my game, those clouds would each be on a different layer. And I would definitely be moving them subtly in the background.
01:37:47
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You know what I mean? Like, I would do it and wanted it to happen. Every time I saw class, I'm like, will they do it? I kept looking at their painted backgrounds like, is this just gorgeous still imagery? did you Did you have the audacity and the patience and hardworkingness to make that move? Anyway, they didn't minor bug.
01:38:05
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Then, another note, I did get distracted lot of the show because, like, the little, the boats, like, where the the lion is reminded me so hard. If you've ever played any of the old Dynasty Warriors, there's a battle. It's, like, the Battle of Chibi or the Battle is battle of Red Cliffs. Is that the other name for it? But it's, like, you fight in all these lines of, like, boats and those little, like,
01:38:31
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Like, pillar... Anyway. Just the whole time, I'm like, oh. Memories of Dynasty Warriors. I miss that. I miss... I miss in the old school Dynasty Warriors. Okay.
01:38:45
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um I know there's, like, a brand new one out, but it's, like, it's not the co-op, like, experience that I had. saying It's different now. I haven't played it, but I know it's different. Okay.
01:38:57
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um So...
01:39:01
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I loved all of that. And here's what I love. I'm sad it won't continue to follow. But like my I got into the Black Panther um a couple years back. Ta-Nehisi Coates did, you know, really long Black Panther run, two arcs.
01:39:18
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And also like a really little miniseries that got canceled way too quickly. I'm really sad because I just really enjoy it. It was like Black Panther and the crew. um I recommend that if you've read Ta-Nehisi's one, but you somehow missed out on that little um side adventure.
01:39:32
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ah And that was my introduction. Because, like, been, like, super into the, you know, like, ah king... person hasn't been But Wakanda, right, is such a – someone who loves, like, epic fantasies and all that stuff.
01:39:50
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Wakanda has all that, like like, lore that can go into it. And you can do these interesting things, like tell stories way in the past where it gets this kind of fantasy vibe to the storytelling.
01:40:03
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But I love i love s seeing Wakanda come out. Even in Ta-Nehisi Coates' run, I've said before, the thing I loved most from it was the Midnight Angels, who were Dora Milaje, who left to like like go pursue their own causes to better things for the Wakandan people. So I'm all about like expanding on the lore of Wakanda. And Wakanda's best villains are escaped Wakandans, in my opinion.
01:40:30
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like with the yeah Like, maybe, like, Lion's Story was weaker than Killmonger's. I mean, it didn't have a whole movie to to work meant to sing. and This is true. The format is restrictive, the the length and stuff. You can only answer so many questions.
01:40:46
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Right. So, yeah, it was more limited. Complicated. In a technologically advanced society, I feel like the most interesting things come from the citizens who want to use that, like how they police their own, bringing up all these questions of, like, this is what Ta-Nehisi Coates did in his run, his Black Panther run, was question the whole idea of the monarchy. Like, why this?
01:41:07
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You know, why isn't there a democracy? why? You know, things continue like that and all that stuff, the world of Wakanda is so fascinating to me. So was excited.
01:41:19
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I was wondering that at the end of this episode, I'm like, is this whole thing going to be? i was really hyped for like an arc of Noni's adventures in the War Dogs. But like, this could just be one of those. It's the classic story.
01:41:32
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like It's kind of a trope also of telling the story of like the character who gets inducted into the secret organization you know um through their spunkery and...
01:41:46
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ah all of that. so I will say, I don't know if we've necessarily seen the last of that character because I do know that this... You just said she's only in one other scene and the whole thing.
01:42:00
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She's in one other scene, but another character in another episode quotes her and puts a lot of respect on her name. like like This is like one of our all-time heroes, ah Director Noni. Yeah!
01:42:13
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um And that's her rank, which is an interesting choice. Also, I know I know why they went with director. yeah It will become clear when you see her next appearance. You'll be like, oh they're doing a cute thing. you got to have a spy master with a with a with a you'll you'll see.
01:42:32
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You can't help yourself with these spoilers! i know, I knew couldn't do it. I'm sorry. But when you see again, she'll be like aged spy master type who's training the new people.
01:42:47
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I'm sorry, I'm the worst. It's okay, I'm not bad. it It seems like if if this is like well received, I know that there are other... Wakanda projects in development, some of them animated. And I think that like, maybe they're introducing us to people whose further adventures we'll see at other points.
01:43:09
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Um, yeah. yeah And, and without getting specific, I liked the other characters that were introduced in the other episodes. And I similarly felt like I would have liked to see them go on more adventures and do more things.
01:43:23
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Um, so yeah, i don't know. I, I, I think, I bet people will enjoy this. I enjoyed it. I give it a recommend. You know what?
01:43:34
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I will go two thumbs up. The more I think about it, the more I'm like, like all these folks. don't know. i don't know I don't feel that highly about the first episode.
01:43:46
Speaker
I liked it enough that I want to see more. like I watched it on my own, which was planning to watch it with my wife, but that just didn't work out. But then when I did watch it on my own, I messaged her. i was like, hey, I'd be interested in watching the rest of this, so maybe on your own time you want to watch the first episode. um The animation took a little while to grow on me, and normally I love like stylized animation, but at first it kind of felt like I don't know, like TV, like 20 years ago. Like it was, I don't know. Is this Star Wars Rebels animation or is this like, are we moving up to the next level? Are we trying to do something a little more ambitious, ah like a Sony kind of thing? You know, your, your K-pop demon hunters, your, your spider verses and stuff. Yeah. And it's TV, not a movie, but like, yeah, it,
01:44:37
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didn't I didn't love it, but it grew on me. And and definitely the backgrounds were gorgeous, although I think Rhi's right, they'd be better if they had some parallax, a little bit of animation going on, ah you know, like they do on Marvel Snapcards.
01:44:49
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that That level of animation even would would make a huge difference. Yeah. I I'm actually a like mostly I am not a triple A gamer outside of Nintendo, but like i love Assassin's Creed and this felt very Assassin's Creed to me where it's like all history. There's like future tech in the past and like those vibes are super there. Plus, you know, he's just a badass. So like if you like Assassin's Creed, ah that was very fun for me.
01:45:20
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Um, you guys didn't touch on the fight choreography, which I thought was great. And there were some cool things that I felt like I hadn't seen before. Uh, you know, her taking down the generals and then fighting with the lion. Um, yeah.
01:45:31
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So I'm interested to see more disappointed. that It doesn't follow Noni, but you know, The other episodes could be interesting following other characters. Regarding the Assassin's Creed similarities, i I didn't realize when I started watching this or even when I continued watching this that there were only four episodes. So I i got to the end of the fourth and I was like, oh, that's...
01:45:53
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Is that it? um But but yeah yeah, we're doing we're doing a little bit of Wakanda Assassin's Creed. ah where Do you suppose that maybe they ah the Wakandans were involved in some some historical conflict that we wouldn't have guessed?
01:46:11
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ah Yeah. it's a cool idea no it is a cool idea they just wanted to totally lift that from ubisoft i think that's reasonable um it's it's hardly a concept but like even there like i you know but wakanda's technology and secrecy that fits in h This isn't unrelated, but this reminds me how angry I was when it's like, oh, they're making a big open world Avatar game. and and And then you find out it's the fucking Avatar, like, blue alien movies, not Avatar the Last Airbender. Like, oh, we want this big world to be benders in.
01:46:55
Speaker
Why the Avatar blue alien movies? Give us some. Are you two really into Avatar? I love Airbender and Korra. Last Airbender, yeah. Okay, because me, personally, I've seen the live-action Netflix show, haven't seen the M. Night Shyamalan film, haven't seen the original cartoon, have seen three episodes, the first three episodes of The Legend of Korra, so that that's it. I've seen three episodes of Korra and the live-action Netflix show.
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01:47:24
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And so I'm very open to getting into more. So if if if we ever want to get into Avatar, i could bely may i could be the newcomer and and you you could all take me on a tour of have to say, I liked those three episodes of The Legend of Korra that I saw.
01:47:42
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but mayorend a and podcast
01:47:46
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I'll tell you up front, people very unfairly hate on Korra. And part of it is that they didn't know they were going to get more seasons, like three out of four of the seasons. So that kind of like messed up the pacing. But honestly, i loved season one of Korra so much more on my second watch of it.
01:48:05
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Anyway. it's It's tough to be a female protagonist with confidence. I thought she was very... I thought she was great. I was like, she's awesome. No, love her. But, like, it's like, there can be some legitimate criticisms, but there's just all, like, criticism. but i think that I think most of the hate of Korra basically comes down... It basically comes down to sexism. um It's like, cool. Yeah.
01:48:30
Speaker
um If you ever want to find an excuse to make me watch some Avatar property stuff, I'll watch any of it. I love watching. Okay. I'm assigning next week's homework.
01:48:43
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It is going to be a deck building assignment. Maybe it's more open-ended than that. Historically, we are not big fans of high voltage. And my challenge to you is to try to make high voltage fun for yourself.
01:48:57
Speaker
So this is kind of ah like a Minecraft sandbox challenge where you have to find the fun. And I don't know what that means. It probably means play a deck that you have fun with. But, you know, try and report back.
01:49:08
Speaker
It'll be too late for people to play our high voltage decks. But I um want to hear your attempts. want to hear your attempts to make high voltage fun for yourself. And, you know, if it if it doesn't work, it doesn't work out. And that'll be part of the the reporting back also.
01:49:25
Speaker
It'll be a brave new shame-free world for us to explore. High Voltage comes back, like, all the time. So, like... It is by far the most common event. maybe Maybe we're giving you decks for next time. Maybe that's maybe that's secretly the thing.
01:49:41
Speaker
It'll be interesting to see how this tech ban list experiment goes, for sure. Okay. Okay. We just celebrated our anniversary last week. If you haven't listened to bonus episodes and you're interested, please do. We played a tabletop RPG called Magic Magic where we're doing a magical heist with models DMing for us, MMMing for us.
01:50:07
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And then we also played Zabu with KM Bass. M-O-B-I-S-ing for us. That's what it stands for. ah It's a Marvel Snap podcast after all. Zaboo, which Snap-themed Taboo. We played that with KM Best and had a good time. It was meant to be in the main episode, but it went too long.
01:50:24
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Anyway. Totally cool if you don't listen to those, but they aren't time sensitive. So, you know, when you get the chance, they're fun. If you like our chemistry or whatever. Anyway, if you like what you heard, like, comment, subscribe, follow, review, et cetera. All the things, if you haven't already.
01:50:42
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um If you want to come chat with us on Discord, we have our little corner of the Snap Judgments League Discord, which we call the Speakeasy. The instructions to get there are in the show notes or video description.
01:50:55
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uh, it's fun to hang out there and to see other people's secret homework and stuff like that. Yeah. And we're all in there so you can chat with us. Uh, proudly part of the snap judgments network. That's why we're attached to their discord, uh, where you can listen to other great shows like snap judgments, our grand pod where pulse glazer and Roy, uh, hang out with guests every Saturday.
01:51:19
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Saturday is when it ships. I don't know if that's when they they record. In fact, I know it's not. Anyway, tune in next week. See what we think of High Voltage, if we manage to make it any fun.
01:51:30
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And we'll be doing rankings for the Android season next week. Same Snap time, same Snap channel. Yeah.
01:51:42
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My board game retreat is in a couple of weeks. Ooh. Exciting. I trying to get... I'm going to try actually see if I can get a small, like, magic magic. Like I said, I would do that.
01:51:56
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only had two people say for sure they would do it, and I'm like, I think I want four, so we'll Might need a little more, Yeah, you can knock it out in just a couple hours, come on. Right? Yeah.
01:52:07
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Also, it's so funny that you mentioned the avatar thing, because i was actually going to bring up that that possibility... the unprompted at at some point today this this notion that like hey I bet I think I've heard them mention that they like they like that avatar stuff and I know that like everybody everybody with good taste likes that avatar stuff and like even liked the live action Netflix show which like probably isn't even the best version of it And like, I'm, I'm very, I'm very open-minded.
01:52:37
Speaker
am like, am ready to be converted to full on avatar fandom. If we want, if we, if we want to make a podcast of it.
01:52:49
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I've been saving it kind of specifically for that possibility. Because does seem interesting and exciting, and you both seem to have genuine passion for it. And I like good things.
01:53:01
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And enough smart people have told me that it's good. I'm like, It's very good. It just came out at an awkward time when I was not really watching Nickelodeon.
01:53:13
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And I was like, what is this fake anime? Oh. I didn't watch it as it aired. I watched it later as an adult. That's the thing. Everybody who watched it later seems to love it. And I'm like, I should be one of those people who watched it later and seems to love it.
01:53:26
Speaker
Yes. I want to be them. Make use of the, like, that's rough, buddy. It's my favorite. I feel bad when someone's saying misfortunes and I'm just waiting till I can try.
01:53:37
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That's rough, buddy.
01:53:42
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that's rough but