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54: Vaseline, You Get Vaseline
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- 0:00:00 Intro / Our Week in Snap
- 0:24:59 The Fallen One
- 0:26:33 Firelord
- 0:31:56 Air Walker
- 0:34:40 Cosmic Ghost Rider
- 0:42:50 September Card Ratings
- 2:00:20 OTA Discussion
- 2:13:05 Secret Homework: Make High Voltage Fun
- 2:30:16 Next Week's Secret Homework
- 2:34:59 Housekeeping / Closing Remarks
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Introduction and Hosts
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello and welcome to episode 54 of Snap on This, a Marvel Snap podcast. This week's secret homework, make high voltage fun. I'm your host, Lauren Woodhouse, here today with my usual lovely, ah delightful co-hosts.
00:00:17
Speaker
First up, Ben, how was your week in
Ben's Snap Adventures
00:00:19
Speaker
Snap? And keep us snappy. Well, my weekend snap was pretty good. I had a lot going on in real life this week, so I was i was a bit busy. I mostly just had time to play high voltage. um I wish I had had more time to play ladder and stuff, but since we're treating high voltage as very fun this week, um I don't miss playing real snap at all.
00:00:47
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um
00:00:51
Speaker
i But when I did finally get to play some real snap after I got Airwalker, played some Surfer and stuff. there are some other I'm actually excited to play a deck that I did not...
00:01:07
Speaker
i'm I'm excited to play somebody else's deck, which is a little bit unusual. There's a Cosmic Ghost Rider deck I would like to try, but I can't tell you about it yet because I don't know if it's any any good. That's right, I did get Cosmic Ghost Rider. We'll get to it later.
00:01:17
Speaker
um That's not an endorsement. That's just... we'll We'll talk about it more later. But yeah, i I had a fun surfer deck. My phone doesn't want to show it to me because Snap's been a weird since I tried to open it.
00:01:34
Speaker
But anywho, I will tell you what's in it. It started out with Toxidoxy in it, and it doesn't still have Toxidoxy in it because, wow, I think that card is just not doing a good thing.
00:01:46
Speaker
I've played so much Toxidoxy lately. What? Well, I hope she's been working better for you than she was for me. Yeah. Because mostly she was... planned for her. She just needs little You know, I thought I did, too. I thought I did, too.
00:02:02
Speaker
But I just... And she still works with Jeff, which is really fun. oh I suppose she does. You know, maybe I'll try it again with Jeff in the deck. Because, like, this is a deck where Jeff could go. That's why I need a
TV Show Discussions
00:02:15
Speaker
cute little baby land shark to distract her.
00:02:17
Speaker
Works out. Here is the current version of the deck. It's a little surfer thing. It's got America Chavez. It's got Surge. It's got Mr. Sinister. Merlin. Brood. Captain Carter. Human Torch First Steps. Red Guardian. Silver Surfer. Hope Summer's Absorbing Man. And Gwenpool.
00:02:33
Speaker
so Sorry that took so long to pop up on my phone, but it finally did. Other than that, and in my week, I did some more streaming, and I would like to give a shout-out to one of our listeners who ah popped up not once, maybe even two or three days.
00:02:47
Speaker
Evan G. Brown, you are a winner and a champ, and thank you so much for popping in and watching me play the games and stuff. that i It's nice to have good company and all that.
00:02:58
Speaker
um Other interesting things about this week? Not exactly Snap-related, but you know last week we watched Eyes of Wakanda and there was, ah you know,
00:03:10
Speaker
One thumb up, two thumbs up. I was i was really on the fence there. i am retracting the second thumbs up that I gave the first episode of Eyes of Wakanda. It's a one thumbs up episode of television. And I am giving that thumbs up to season 14 of King of the Hill, which turns out to absolutely rock.
00:03:31
Speaker
I, ah you know... i'm ah I'm a medium King of the Hill kind of fan. Like, I like good things, and King of the Hill is a good thing. And, you know, like, it's... a But the Hill family was not near and dear to my heart or anything. So I was a little bit surprised at how happy I was to see them again. And... ah how much I wanted them to be, to be well and stuff. And, uh, it's, uh, it's a really good, uh, 10 episode season of television. And, uh, you know, it's very sweet and you just, you hope, I don't, I don't know.
00:04:11
Speaker
I like the characters a lot. I'm rooting for all of them. I like, like Hank, I like Peggy, I like Bobby, like all their, friends and neighbors and stuff.
00:04:22
Speaker
And, uh, yeah, it's really a good, good season of television. And it, uh, you know, moved me emotionally and stuff. I, uh, yeah, I relate to the characters. I, uh, yeah, all of them, all all of them a little bit.
00:04:39
Speaker
I, uh, I'm a little bit of a Hank Hill in, in some ways. Um, I, I think all the best ways personally, uh, I, I, I hope, but, um,
00:04:50
Speaker
Yeah, I recommend it. two Two
Rhi's Snap Experience
00:04:53
Speaker
thumbs up to that one. Better than episode one of Eyes of Wakanda. I'm glad you're enjoying it. I don't know if I've ever seen a single episode. How not?
00:05:03
Speaker
It was like in syndication so long. I had this so same response. In house growing up, we couldn't watch that. couldn't watch Simpsons. Yeah, was only able to watch Simpsons. I could totally believe it.
00:05:15
Speaker
I also grew up in a house where we couldn't watch Simpsons except my parents wanted to watch Simpsons. And then eventually when I was ah preteen or whatever... ah then Then we all watched The Simpsons together on Sundays. And see, my parents were like, you know, we've never watched King of the Hill. And I'm like, how the hell not? It was on like right before and after a million shows that we watched on like Sundays every week.
00:05:39
Speaker
Like it was on the same block of programming as The Simpsons and Malcolm in the Middle and Arrested Development and shit. Like, how did you not watch any King of the Hill? Like yeah i I was there. We definitely watched some amount of King of the Hill.
00:05:53
Speaker
Like, I don't know. Anywho, point is, I wouldn't say that I've seen, like, more than 20% of episodes of King of the Hill or anything, but it's still, like, ah it was man was meaningful and good to to check back in with these characters. They're ah written with a lot of sensitivity, especially in this most recent season, and I just... ah You know, maybe maybe there are some things about it that are like, don't you just wish that that people were like this? And sure, yeah, I don't know. I don't i think i think it stays on the right line on the right side of the line. ah It's sweet without being, I don't know.
00:06:34
Speaker
whatever whatever the the thing that's past sweet is, you know, what one worse, treacly or something. I don't know. Saccharin. Yeah, saccharin. Yeah, not not quite there. You know, not every problem gets 100% solved all the way on the the first, you know, everybody's work in progress.
00:06:53
Speaker
um Yeah, good television. Highly recommend. um So, yeah, play Surfer. Watch season 14 of King of the Hill, even if you haven't seen that much King of the Hill. it might, it might help to know a little bit about the characters, but you don't need to like, no, I felt, I felt at home despite not being a super fan or anything.
00:07:13
Speaker
Um, and yeah, I just wish that every time that television came back, it was this good. Like, uh, I wish, I wish the aforementioned arrested development had been this good when it came back.
00:07:24
Speaker
I hope that, uh, speaking of long running animated, uh, television program, you know, I hope that if Archer ever comes back, it's this good. Um, Yeah, yeah. Season 14, King of the Hill. Two thumbs up.
00:07:37
Speaker
And that has been my week in Snap and other things, I think. Great. Thank you. Rhi, how was your week in Snap? And keep it snappy.
00:07:49
Speaker
Um, okay. I'm a little under the weather this week, so kind of more chill. um First, thank you. I wanted to comment you back. I hadn't gotten her into it, but ah who suggested I go to PC?
00:08:06
Speaker
To like open a new ticket for my season pass this year. I've done that and I have submitted a thing and I've heard nothing back for days. But, um you know, hope lives on. So um there's that. B, I did finally see Superman. i don't know if you guys saw Superman yet.
00:08:26
Speaker
I did. Heard good things. Okay. You haven't seen it though, Ben? No, I have not. Okay, then I guess we'll be talking about it. I do not. It's fine. No, I mean, I was like, well, maybe we will discuss it in the outro everyone has seen it. But, like, otherwise, you know.
00:08:42
Speaker
um i' seeing But I will say completely spoiler free, there is a scene that I watched and I went, holy shit. And then immediately after I did that, the camera pans over to Lois and she goes, holy shit.
00:09:02
Speaker
And thing I did. And died. i died.
00:09:07
Speaker
That was perf. Okay. Anyway, so yes, I did like Superman. If Ben watches that eventually, maybe we would discuss it. it I would say it's my favorite so far this year besides K-pop Human Hunters, but I liked it better than Fantastic Four, which I did like Fantastic Four too, for the record. i just liked Superman more.
00:09:28
Speaker
It related to Superman Hider, to be honest. Okay. So, um got i and I wasn't even going to mention this until ah Ben had to slander Taxi Daxi's name.
00:09:40
Speaker
Taxi Daxi is one of those cards where it's like, I can fix it. That's very much the energy. Yes. Yes. Yeah, but you you know, you just have to know. It's like a cat. They're like, you can't train the cat. You have to fix the environment of the cat so the cat feels safe.
00:09:58
Speaker
Same thing Taxi Doxy. Okay. So I did, because I had been meandering. I didn't have you know, like said, I don't like have a comfort deck. I didn't have anything I was psyched to play, and I start looking among my decks like, what have I not played? What do I mess with? And party buffs is kind of home for me, you know?
00:10:15
Speaker
I like buffing. I like buffing cards. um And so I came back, and I'm like, you know, you know?
00:10:27
Speaker
That's a card I want to mess with. So... um She's here along with Jeff because, like I said, she'll hit Jeff. And sometimes you just save Jeff till later. Just make a really, really giant Jeff.
00:10:40
Speaker
Happy Jeff. Put him down at the end um because he only costs two. So it's easy to smack down. But also you can put him early. If Toxidoxy hit other things you would play, um Jeff can go down there.
00:10:53
Speaker
and then this is like the thing that you're most likely hitting with Toxidoxy, though, is all the four costs. in the deck, um
High Voltage Mode and Snap Strategies
00:11:01
Speaker
because I have a lot of 4 costs, and that's great!
00:11:04
Speaker
That's perfect, because I didn't want to play them until turn 4 anyway, or sometimes turn 6. um Also, it's fine if she hits Black Panther.
00:11:15
Speaker
Black Panther, I feel like, is the conceit of the deck where it's like, maybe I could let Black Panther go, but sometimes it's really fun to play Black Panther followed by Absorbing Man turn six, along with, say, a Jeff or a Mr. Sinister who is also in the deck. So fours and twos are just kind of a good...
00:11:39
Speaker
um a good combination. And, you know, when you're doing that, it's because you have some giant Black Panthers and Absorbing Mons in your hand. um So obviously I have Zabu, um because it's perfect if you can hit a 4-cost to play on turn 3, but you also have, you know, it's me building a buff deck, so we do have Nakia and Okoye and America Chavez.
00:12:07
Speaker
who I believe just got buffed now, right? It's not reflected in that game. Yeah. Right now. She's still showing one, too. Well, we'll get into it. And then, like I said, a Mr. Sinister that is like 212, you know, pretty good.
00:12:26
Speaker
um And it's really easy to drop at the last turn with like a mis or a Captain Marvel, sorry. And then obviously I don't think I've said Gwenville, but of course she's in here. She's a forecast and she's a buffer.
00:12:36
Speaker
um So the only card then I haven't mentioned, which is like the current Meta Conceit. of the deck is Super Scroll. Because honestly, it's just working for so many things for me right now, and it's still really unexpected.
00:12:51
Speaker
Most people just assume they've won a lane if they have a gnoll there. So this is a fun thing to drop. Also, like I said, just copy in some loot cages. You know, ah so mr some Mr. Negative style decks.
00:13:07
Speaker
A lot of people are running an ongoing. Like, that's going to be the thing. And it's not rogue also because ah sometimes you got to steal lots of ongoing stuff.
00:13:21
Speaker
Rogues, you know, just kind of monogamous that way. So, um anyway, yes. watching Captain Marvel fly to victory is still like still a great time. It's a great animation. I heard further, faster, baby.
00:13:35
Speaker
Right? And i do and i like I said, I love a Toxie Doxie. You're not mad when she hits something like a Mr. Sinister, even when she doesn't hit what you intended. So anyway, I'm kind of glad Ben mentioned that because wasn't even going to talk about it.
00:13:49
Speaker
I'm like, oh yeah, that is kind of what I played a lot this week, just out of comfort. But I've been playing a lot of stuff this week because... ah um My alliance, I'm technically the leader of the alliance, but the real heart in Sula Berry Alliance is... ah ah Freemium is their handle. Because I have been struggling like all this year to keep up on stuff. And he's always the one to go in and like be like, hey, remember this? like Here's this like promo or something. Or you know sharing stuff, keeping things alive. ah
00:14:35
Speaker
Which is like... And he's also just a really, like, kind and thoughtful person. Like, he's always, like, donating in events. Usually when I'm too burned out and, like, tired and, like, I should. But, like, why practice what I preach when I could sleep instead?
00:14:50
Speaker
Anyway, and he'll be out there, like, donating bubs or whatever the thing is. And um I don't know if this is affecting a lot of people out there. kind of sounds like it is. But, like, it's getting harder in alliances, you know, as the game gets longer.
00:15:06
Speaker
as maybe, you know, some of the the playership is going down a little bit for alliances to keep up on getting the weekly rewards. Like, I know my own alliance, like, I have some friends who, like, they don't play every week, and sometimes it's a while. Now, it's been a while, um and it's harder to get there. You want to, like, kick people who, like, are in and out of the game, you know? That's, like...
00:15:28
Speaker
not fun especially if they're your friends you want them to have a place to come back to um if and when they come back so um i did happen to see um despite my my general struggle to keep up uh freemium had posted like hey so you know despite already like leading alliance board he's like I'm going to go for the PMV, you know, just saying, just going to make a stab for it.
00:15:59
Speaker
And so, you know, the only thing I could do when I saw that, of course, was post back with the gif of Samwise Gamgee running into the river after the boat.
00:16:13
Speaker
Like, No, I'm coming with you. The two of us, we're getting the PMV. We're making it. I don't think I could carry freemium, even though I've been doing i'm a lot of push-ups. I don't, I mean, I don't know.
00:16:25
Speaker
Freemium could be very tiny. I just, I doubt my inability carry anybody the way Samwise can carry, like, you know, packs. and For Mr. Frodo. Literally everything.
00:16:38
Speaker
That's what I'm saying. I was like realizing as I was talking, this was making you know implications. And I just meant to say that I'm weak. Unlike Samwise, I do not con mean to compare myself. um you know I wouldn't dishonor Samwise in such a way. Anyway, but with attitude, with that attitude, it was the perfect week for high voltage because I basically went through in the span of...
00:17:04
Speaker
24 hours. ah In comics, they like to do lot of kind of trope of a way that you'll see them open comics a lot is would be like Monday, Tuesday, and it's like them fighting, you know, the superhero fighting like some big monster in And then Tuesday, it's a different thing. And then Wednesday, it's saving a squirrel in Central Park. And then ah Thursday, it's trying to have dinner, but then having to save the city.
00:17:31
Speaker
You know, just like a montage, just so have like these big, epic things every day. And I basically had... that where it was like oh i'm playing this like no killmonger squirrel girl right kill a bunch of one cost to do the like destroy six cards you know i'm like playing discard decks that are just about discarding like six cards i like combined x23 and silver samurai which i like don't really put x23 in the discard deck because that was the mission i played random other pairings of cards to like uh you know to complete those and it's like oh thank you high voltage because it's like it lets you get those wins like in three three rounds instead of six when you're trying to burn through it and in in the end
00:18:22
Speaker
um we did We did make it to the PMV. He had like something 15,000 something points. That's wild. don't know.
00:18:35
Speaker
i think I have hit five digits before, but not that high. That's i impressive. I think you have too, Lauren. I've had to carry up once or twice, but mostly our alliance... said we don't We don't really have to worry much.
00:18:50
Speaker
No. we We have active players still. ah but Although I think you're probably right, Reid, that it is getting harder for people in general. Well, that's the thing that I said. I don't think the situation representative of like the average snapper's experience. i I think we are very lucky to be ah members of Dazzler Nation.
00:19:15
Speaker
Um, yeah. So, ah that was, that was, that was what I did. We saved Middle Earth. We got every, we got everyone their very own premium mystery variant.
00:19:31
Speaker
Do you remember what variant you got from all that hard work? Okay. Uh, I was just going to try and like, I know I screenshotted it. I was like, I shouldn't. I should have thought about all of this ahead of time and pulled it up.
00:19:46
Speaker
It's okay if you don't know.
00:19:50
Speaker
It's just funny when you grind out for a PMV and then you end up getting like a baby. I was going to say, was it a pixel? But it couldn't have been, right? Because it's a PMV. It can't be a pixel, but it can be a rare.
00:20:02
Speaker
In fact, it's like it all three quarters of a million people. It was negative space Iron Man. like, I've got other Iron Man. I've other Iron Man on the fire, to be honest. Yeah, it's all a matter of taste, but not for me.
00:20:20
Speaker
No, like, it's not even bad. It's just, like, not my favorite Iron Man, you know? And everyone knows the negative spaces don't split well. They do not. um Yeah.
00:20:34
Speaker
Anyway, okay. Well, that sounds like a quirky weekend snap, and I agree that that is one of the good things about high voltage. It does make missions and and bounties much easier to knock out. For sure. I don't know. there Only some of them.
00:20:51
Speaker
i ah The bounties that I... I usually contribute quite a few, and my favorite bounties to pick are things that you can't do in high voltage. Yeah.
00:21:02
Speaker
I'm out here moving five cards in a game a lot. Heimdall can do that easily. she's moving cards, Ben. Why would she do what? i I don't think you want to play Heimdall in high voltage, but maybe I'm wrong. You have to win.
00:21:18
Speaker
You just have to move the cards. I want so much to play Heimdall high voltage. We were told to make high voltage fun and, you know, like, get invested. Like...
00:21:29
Speaker
personally and stuff you know i i was gonna i was gonna play high voltage to play high voltage wait let me tell you how i won with heimdall and high voltage because i remember this win because i put together a deck that was all six cards for doing a a a play six cards bounty so it was all six cards cards and then how and i surprisingly won a lot because one if you play nothing the first turn, because you couldn't afford it, because you only had, like, three or four energy, you can definitely play that Infonaut next turn.
00:22:01
Speaker
There's 20 power that'd be their little, like, ding, ding, ding, bullshittery, because you know they're not going to with Infonaut? They're not going to shang chi him. So it actually, like, a deck of all sixes worked way better than you thought.
00:22:14
Speaker
And this wasn't the only time I won, honestly, even because of Heimdall, but it's the funniest. Because they, leader, copied my Heimdall.
00:22:27
Speaker
and me to win. It was glorious. Anyway, so yeah, have some fun with Heimdall and High Voltage. Anyway. All right, sorry. Continue.
00:22:38
Speaker
You're fine. That's awesome. That's a great way to win. um I guess I'll take my weekend and snap. i tried my i mean i don't want to spoil the secret homework and i don't want to spoil cosmic ghost writer yet so like um i played high voltage until i got air walker and not a single time more
00:23:05
Speaker
but i did do my secret homework before i hit air walker so you know i tried to make i tried to make it fun um I did finally land my my triple doubling with Frankie Ray. That was very fun. You know, using both Symbiote, Spider-Man and Zola to reset her.
00:23:24
Speaker
um made Made some big old Frankies. Actually, they were Symbiotes at that point, but they had Frankie's ability. um um Yeah, I'm happy to move on.
00:23:37
Speaker
I'm working on ah on a different one right now. I'm working. Oh, I have one thing to say. That's kind of, that was kind of fun. i I, ran into some, I'm grinding out a clip, trying to play 11 cards at the same time. My record is 10, but now that I have kid Omega, I think I can do 11 because I can clear out, uh, I can like use kid Omega on carnage or venom or whatever to leave my board on, on turn seven with only Sarah and nothing else.
00:24:04
Speaker
And then I can play two mysterious, two hit monkeys and, and some other stuff. That's what I'm trying to do. I ran into somebody who was playing my clip deck for Fire Lord. and it's like, it's been so long since I ran into somebody running one of my decks, partially because i don't really make, like, I don't share competitive decks anymore.
00:24:27
Speaker
and I know there are people who who take the silly clip decks and try to have fun with them. And some of them are semi viable, even if you're not going for the full big combo. but yeah that was kind of fun i'm like this looks like my deck and then afterwards they're like good game i was sweating the whole time people people ping in are like i didn't want to be in the clip sorry like should i be censoring out your name i don't think there's any shame in being hit by a sick combo but um anyway i verified that they were indeed playing my deck that was fun um okay let's move on ah any new thoughts on last week's card fallen one
00:25:08
Speaker
Where I saw it, was like, generally, yes, like, you when they got, like, a 515 or whatever out, you're like, and you see the number of cards in their hand, you're like, all right, I'm out.
00:25:20
Speaker
You know what I mean? But a lot of times when I saw it coming down, it was, like, a 5-7, and it's like, okay, one more energy is good, but I'm not, like, you know, I'm not that threatened by it.
00:25:33
Speaker
If it's a 5-7, then they're 8 energy the next turn, right? Yeah. Yes. But still. buts but that's wait Oh, really? I misunderstood that.
00:25:46
Speaker
I didn't even pay attention. Okay, so they were actually running with more energy than I thought. Yeah. I maybe should have been slightly more frightened. He sets it, but you still get one more the next round. It sounds like maybe you shouldn't have been all that frightened because it sounds like you win anyway, right?
00:26:02
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah, I mean, mostly, but it's good to know. can be careful with adding up. Yeah. To your point, I think, and I don't remember if I said this last week, I know I said it before he dropped.
00:26:18
Speaker
I think he's more of a Mr. Negative than like a Sarah. Like, in some ways he does the Sarah thing, but I think he's more like a Mr. Negative. where Like, if you pull him off in a big way, your opponent's just going to retreat. Yeah.
00:26:31
Speaker
Cool. Good job. Okay. Fire Lord. We could put him in either section this week. I think we should talk about him because we didn't talk about him last week. He had just barely come out. 4-6.
00:26:43
Speaker
On reveal, revive one of your discarded or destroyed three cost cards here. Did you get him? I did. I did. I haven't had time to play him yet because high voltage and all that.
00:26:57
Speaker
But also i wasn't I didn't have an immediate plan for what to do with him. But so I will give him a shot at some point.
00:27:10
Speaker
I was intrigued um because I got to the point now where i didn't have three season series five cards and I didn't have three series four cards. And I had some tokens. I was like, hmm, I'm going open up one of each.
00:27:24
Speaker
And I'm hoping for Frankie Ray because I want Nomura. Hmm. I want to do little more action. And, you know, would love either Fire Lord or, you know, Red Star. The discard one.
00:27:41
Speaker
Redshift. Redshift. I'm not familiar with the character. Okay. so um So, of course, rolled Cosmic Ghost Rider. Terax the Tamer.
00:27:52
Speaker
ah So, no, I haven't play Fire Lord yet. I did two clips with him. I saw people trying to do cute things with him and I kind of mostly thought that they were too cute.
00:28:07
Speaker
i my My thoughts on Firelord is not good if you're... And really the same for Airwalker. i don't think you should bend your deck around them.
00:28:21
Speaker
But if your deck is already doing destroy or discard things, then you can start thinking about it. Um... One of them I did Kid Omega and Venom, and that is beautiful and glorious, just like I expected it would be. like Being able to destroy a bunch of stuff with Venom, make a huge Venom, destroy him, and then Fire Lord can specifically target Venom for the revival.
00:28:45
Speaker
that's really That's a cool thing to do. ah Yeah. i I realized i I thought of a cool thing or i thought about asking if you had thought about this cool thing because like I don't know if this is my kind of cool thing or maybe more of your kind of cool thing. But like would it be cute to like bring back a Dokken or something?
00:29:05
Speaker
I don't know. yeah Oh, to get a second shard? Yeah. I don't know. that's That's my cute Fire Lord thought. Sorry. Keep going. But the trick is, are you destroying Dokken?
00:29:18
Speaker
Because if you're discarding him in a discard deck, then you already, like, he didn't get to make the first shard. I think you're destroying him. Probably, like... Really? Yeah, I think.
00:29:30
Speaker
I don't know. That's that's that's just how it popped into my head. Because think about it. If you discard him, because you don't want him to be just useful for Daken, right? And it's like, okay, where can I get use of a three cost I'm bringing back also with Daken? I mean, you know obviously Venom is useful, as Lorraine was saying, but it's like,
00:29:47
Speaker
What about a Moon Knight where it'll maybe discard your Apocalypse again? That's good for you. you know what I mean? You have a Dracula out. Maybe it'll discard one of their cards too. So it's like you could hit multiple three. I could see using it in a discard. I want i want the the shard from the first one. And you only get the shard from the first one if you put it on the board.
00:30:07
Speaker
Yeah, so think you have to, like, and same thing with, like, your Moon Knight, where if you want your Moon Knight to proc twice, you've got to play it, destroy it. that's true, if you're using it to double up on the, ah yeah. Fair enough.
00:30:18
Speaker
don't know. It was just a cute thing that I thought of. And I'm like, people like doubling stuff generally more than I do. met Most people. but Usually they just use Frigga for that because then they can use it on their bullseye instead of their bullseye.
00:30:34
Speaker
One thing I saw with it that was kind of good and very obnoxious was with interacting with Wombat. Wong and Gambit. I mixed those two together to highlight original good egg wombat combat.
00:30:47
Speaker
um That's good because if you accidentally just if you accidentally discard your Gambit, then you could just bring him back. He still gets the double hit. Also, Fire Lord will revive two cards on the Wong lane. So if that was pretty... That was fairly spicy. A bit of a combo, but, but you know, a tasty one.
00:31:07
Speaker
Somebody did that to me, actually. i I've like run into like one Fire Lord and I think it was somebody doing something like that. ah The other thing I did with him that I thought was very fun was a surfer deck with fire hair. where i was and i also had um Elixir and but feel like ah maybe I had Phoenix Force?
00:31:31
Speaker
Maybe I was only reviving twice. Anyway, I was just destroying Surfer and reviving him over and over again. That was fun. And then also, every time I destroyed him, Firehair went off also. so it's like... Anyway.
00:31:43
Speaker
That was a cute thing to do. Obviously, the combo version is like demanding, but I hit you know tons of power. But I think that's somewhat real. I think you could make a real deck that was doing something like that that was less greedy.
00:31:55
Speaker
It isn't. Okay, we're going to move on to this week's releases. Airwalker, who i guess was technically available last week, but we all got him, like, i don't know what, a few days ago? um three three when this is destroyed, replace it with a 4-cost card from your hand or deck.
00:32:14
Speaker
I haven't got to play him yet.
00:32:17
Speaker
I also haven't gotten to play him yet. Me neither. I was trying to get him, yeah he but he still feels awkward to me in that, like, when I'm looking, there's just not a ton of destroy cards that cost four.
00:32:34
Speaker
That like, i I want to, that's not like Phoenix Force that you're trying to control maybe what you destroy a little harder, but like, I don't know. So still seems awkward to me. I haven't really seen him. you I've played against him. I'm pretty sure, but not like to great effect that I've seen yet.
00:32:53
Speaker
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00:32:56
Speaker
I've seen so far is pulling Morgan Le Fay. But like, then you have to destroy a lot of stuff to make it worthwhile.
00:33:04
Speaker
Yeah. It's like, what are you doing with the air walker? You get back. It's like, uh, and maybe you're just playing him as a three six. Like that's an okay. That's a pretty good stat line.
00:33:15
Speaker
Um, Anyway, i still ah there's probably something there because deck thinning is strong, but I guess we'll see. Maybe we'll play him this week and talk about it next time. The surfer destroy deck that you were you were kind of talking about before. Yeah.
00:33:33
Speaker
Yeah. him to pull up. I don't know. Yeah, our fire lord. Yeah. Who then... pulls another three. like I'm not sure exactly what that looks like, but seems like there's something.
00:33:46
Speaker
like Surfer Destroy, like as a concept, is that like Destroy makes fewer bodies on the board, and Surfer just loves having a lot of bodies on the board is the thing. And I just worry that they're like kind of at odds.
00:34:00
Speaker
Maybe that makes Surfer destroy the right answer, though, because if you get fire hair in there, then you're getting more Surfer procs. Or if you're doing a revival with Airwalker and Firelord, you're getting more procs.
00:34:12
Speaker
Yeah, i'm I'm not saying I'm sure it's like I'm not I'm not saying I'm sure it's stepping on its own feet, but I worry that it might. Also, every time I see somebody play Airwalker, I think to myself,
00:34:27
Speaker
There's such a thing as too much horn talk and a fellow ought to be fucking aware of it. ah That's just something that Wayne said once on Letterkenny and it stuck in my head. Nice.
00:34:40
Speaker
ah Okay. And then this week's Series 5 card, Cosmic Ghost Rider 5-7 on reveal. Remove the text from front row enemy cards here.
00:34:51
Speaker
thoughts did uh i got him he uh i didn't get him because i thought he looked good i got him because i thought he looked fun and safety blade made him sound like fun but i think this is one of those cards that safety blade likes that um it's little bit uh you know but hey you know what Fun cards are fun, and I had fun playing them in high voltage.
00:35:18
Speaker
And, ah you know, maybe sometimes... like It is a powerful effect. you know wiping Wiping cards is cool. we We like Elioth. We like Red Guardian. you know It's cool to make stuff not do the thing that your opponent thought it was supposed to do. Still a spot cost. Yuck.
00:35:40
Speaker
Yeah. There were... Okay, one synergy that... I don't know if we talked about it, but we could have foreseen Luna Snow. I saw some people doing. I think that's kind of cute. Like, it's a lot of work, but it does mean that you get him out a turn early and you take away that benefit from your opponent. Like, there's something there. only the Only if the thing lands in their front row, which I've seen people trying to do it to me, and very often the thing doesn't come together the way they want it to.
00:36:07
Speaker
Yeah, so I saw people do even more in that vein. I saw people trying to do it with White Widow, and I think that's even harder to space out because she doesn't help you ramp out the Cosmic Ghost Rider. and And also, her hurt the kiss destroys instantly. I still think they should buff that to be end of turn or start of turn. and That would make a huge difference. he right.
00:36:27
Speaker
Although it might be like kind of oppressive if... like i think... the start of turn thing like that could i don't know i i could see that like maybe making her too good again or something don't know make it end of turn like i think either way like you know at least then on five you can play white widow and cosmic ghost or not cosmic ghost writer uh red guardian which like that is overly cute but like at least it's something you can do with her um anyway and I saw a lot of people trying that and it was not working for them.
00:36:59
Speaker
Both opponents and like watching YouTube videos of people playing this card. It's like one of those things that like feels like a really good idea, but you just can't count on your opponents to know the choreography and like do it with you.
00:37:12
Speaker
And I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure it's a thing. Yeah. So aside from Luna Snow, though, I have played some ah Cosmic Ghost Rider, and would agree.
00:37:26
Speaker
I mean, I know, like, I don't think he's super great or anything, but I think you guys knocked him a little hard last time. I would agree with our commenter, think it was our longtime friend, Ryan North, who said, like, underrating him...
00:37:44
Speaker
rain with Okay.
00:37:47
Speaker
A little bit because like there are some situations where it does just just wreck things and you can do it unexpectedly when they think they're safe because you already played like, ah you know, like if you're playing an ongoing deck and you already used your Enchantress and another lane and they seem this one's safe, but it's like that Captain Carter isn't safe.
00:38:12
Speaker
Not from Cosmic Ghost Rider. But the first time I played it, it actually racked. I played it against a classic discard deck, ah more than I would play. And my turn four went Enchantress down on their Mobius. Actually, was turn three because I exalted it. She only cost me three.
00:38:30
Speaker
And I did something on four, who knows what. But on five, that Cosmic Ghost Rider came down on their Dracula. Ooh. Alone in a lane. That's a good hit. That's a good hit. Right?
00:38:41
Speaker
So, and then they just retreated. Like, it just wrecked their whole plan. So, like, I think there are, because there's sometimes there are things that are just essential. And if you manage to get something else with the Red Guardian or something, and this is the set the second thing, you're taking you know, another enabler they have, think what I wanted to try with it that I haven't had time yet to play, especially um as we'll talk later with the buffs with Nightmares,
00:39:07
Speaker
but I could see this going into a Nightmare deck where you're like, okay, either one, I'm saving it because realize it'll be useful, say, against like their Dracula or something that I'm expecting based on their deck. So there's some places it could be very effective.
00:39:23
Speaker
But then if it doesn't um seem like it'll be worthwhile... You hit it with Nightmare and then like, hey, if that ah turned into a Black Panther, great. If it became a Red Skull, well, you know, if you're playing a Nightmare, you probably have a lot of options with high power in your hand anyway. And you just don't play it just like the tech wasn't useful, you know?
00:39:45
Speaker
That's maybe where I'll go with it. And then it's a great surprise. love throwing in that one like really big surprise card that can just win you a game sometimes you can fit it in. So maybe, you know?
00:39:57
Speaker
When I was playing with it, I was reminded, I think you said last week or when we were previewing the card read that that it reminded you of Legion. And I did have that vibe sometimes.
00:40:09
Speaker
And it's kind of like what you were just saying, Ryan Wood was saying. It's like, yeah, sometimes he just wins you games. That's true. It happened to me once and all the time I was playing him. Ryan Norris is a comic book writer. I'm like, where am I getting that name? I totally understood the mix-up. Okay. I've been reading a on a map. Yeah.
00:40:30
Speaker
surely a word on a map like yeah i see um I might be judging. and In fact, i'm I'm sure I'm judging him too harshly for the fun factor. Like when Legion wins you games, it's way more fun than when Cosmic Ghost Rider wins you games.
00:40:46
Speaker
And I can feel like you can still sometimes do cute things with Legion, even when it's not a game winner. Whereas Cosmic Ghost Rider, when he's not a game winner, why am I playing this 5-7? Like there were often times when he just sat dead in my hand.
00:40:58
Speaker
I did not like this card. Um, but i i can see an argument that like he's in the same family as a Legion or a Lady Deathstrike and hey, they all have the same stat line.
00:41:10
Speaker
Uh, I hope even, I hope this card turns out to be bad. And if it does, I hope they don't buff it. Like I don't want this card to be prevalent in the meta. I want it to be there as a release valve and that's it.
00:41:24
Speaker
Like it's not a fun card to play as or to play against. I just want imagine Cosmic Ghost Rider standing behind you. Crying.
00:41:38
Speaker
It's sad because he's such a cool character. animation is great. The animation is wild. Yeah, the animation great. I think the animation is a knockout. Wow, that's a great animation. The sweep of the chain. It's cool, but it's also effective. It communicates what it's doing, and it's fast.
00:41:57
Speaker
yeah when bay's like oh i even yeah I even like it when it's bad news. ah Yeah, it's great animation. and And this card shipped with it. This card came out, it had an animation.
00:42:10
Speaker
Very good. Good job. Two synergies I saw that I didn't think of. One, Killmonger, because then you're clearing out things on their front row to hit better things, you know in theory.
00:42:23
Speaker
And the one that I tried, I played Ika's Scream deck. And the idea here is if you're moving cards around, again, you're rearranging their cards, so hopefully you're putting better hits out in front.
00:42:35
Speaker
It was okay. That's not bad And maybe I just don't know how to play Scream, but I i don't know. It's pretty typical Scream deck besides the Cosmic Ghost Rider. ah So I'm not going to explain the whole thing, but I'll put it in the show notes.
00:42:47
Speaker
Okay. Up next is when we would do our vibe check on next week's cards, but next week starts a new season, so we're just going to go straight into season rankings.
00:43:00
Speaker
Do things a little bit out of order today and see how we like it. um okay first up our season pass card three three actually three two two three two at the start of pre-nerfed at the start of each turn give all cards in your hand plus one power if you're winning here otherwise move this to another location i know pre-nerfed isn't exactly true because she was never in the game to begin with um It always makes you wonder, though, like, did they find something in their testing?
00:43:33
Speaker
ah or Or is it like a response to how the players are vibing with it? like Well, let's also consider, like, Fantasticar, you know, last month or whatever. Like, it was 4-6 the whole time. Then they gave it an extra point.
00:43:49
Speaker
And now they're taking two away. Yeah. I'm not sure they really, you know, let's not give them more credit for their... analysis than they maybe deserve.
00:44:01
Speaker
Um, um, um head tora if you haven't listened before when we're ranking these we're going to give them between one and four points you can think of that however you like thumbs or stars or whatever or ah hate it don't like it like it love it however you want to think about it that's how we're rating them something simple like that um and we'll do a rotation and I think I'll have you do this one first that Ben can talk about Sparky first
00:44:34
Speaker
Oh. Okay. Should I read? already read the card. you already did. Yeah. Just tell us what you're thinking about this. So I give three stars. One, I do really love the character. She was created in the often recommended Tom King's The Vision series.
00:44:54
Speaker
I want to even say I know it's from 2015, but I'm not sure in the... no i think you might be right mix things i'm not 100 on um and uh she's just a real fun character i think she joined the champions and stuff like she's still around doing stuff being a fun robot character ah teen girl so already i'm kind of like to like her and Look at her, she moves.
00:45:21
Speaker
I love a card that moves, that gives me reach. you know I'm always trying to include at least one reach card in my decks. and um you know And she buffs.
00:45:34
Speaker
So what's not to wanna build around her a little bit and that you're hopefully looking to get some early prio, because she doesn't have a lot of power on herself.
00:45:46
Speaker
um but i'm excited three stars great ben um i would just like to say that re was totally correct tom king vision uh that's 2015 to 2016 so re knows her stuff as if as if we had any doubt Anywho, knowledgeable in a vast array of subject matters.
00:46:13
Speaker
Anywho, anywho, anywho, guess what I'm trying to say is, ah wow, this really sucks for Nakia, huh? Yeah! Can you imagine this were a 3-3 also? like they just it's It's a bummer because, you know, people like Nakia. I like Nakia. You don't like her.
00:46:37
Speaker
This is just sort of sad for... not wrong. Yeah. I don't know. ah The card seems real strong. I think I'll give it a 4. I confess I gave it that number back when it was a three three But... um
00:46:53
Speaker
Hydra Stomper loves this. Kraven loves this. This is just a good card that makes numbers high and moves around. And here's the thing. Moving around is kind of its own reward. Cards that move around are better than cards that don't move around.
00:47:09
Speaker
um Yeah. Seems very exciting. Probably going to be all over the place. that's That's my prediction.
00:47:19
Speaker
To me, she feels like a card that
00:47:23
Speaker
I don't think this text is good text for a season pass card, but I do think the character leading the season, like I think that makes sense. you know She's recognizable even to people who don't recognize Viv specifically. They can connect her to Vision. She doesn't feel...
00:47:41
Speaker
she doesn't feel i don't I'm reticent to compare her to her old version, right? 3-3, or when she was end of turn. like That was very strong.
00:47:52
Speaker
Just the fact that she could move to ah like another lane if she were losing at the end of the game, or at the end of the turn, that's a strong thing to do. That could also be a thing that loses you the game, though.
00:48:05
Speaker
yeah At the end of turn? You're already losing that location, right? Yeah, it would be move somewhere that you're losing, maybe from a lane that you were winning, and then... She doesn't move if you're winning. or Oh, okay.
00:48:19
Speaker
I may have misunderstood that. Anyway, she she's changed, so she's start of turn now instead of end turn, and I think that's probably a good change, and it does mean that, like, on turn six, her ability buffs your cards, so, like, the number of buffs is basically the same.
00:48:33
Speaker
Um...
00:48:36
Speaker
don't know okay so she's in a location i'm so sorry i think i was thinking about this all backwards still four yeah uh it's still a strong thing to leave a losing location on the last turn like you just hope that she moves to your other location that's weak instead of your location that's strong right like And also, her just moving meets Hydra Stomper gets another tick She can move to a Kraven lane.
00:49:04
Speaker
Yeah. I've played more moves since when we started the podcast. Ben has rubbed off a little bit. The truck will follow her. like Yeah, there's definitely cool stuff.
00:49:15
Speaker
Yeah. and She just doesn't feel... What I meant by the Season Pass thing is like the text... i I don't think she's a very free card. right like like A lot of our Season Pass cards are very flexible. She doesn't seem as flexible to me.
00:49:30
Speaker
i think i gave her three I think you want lots of cheap cards right to really maximize those plus ones. Or you build the deck that's like Sinister, Brood, Scarlet Spider, Lasher. The kind of cards that can benefit from... you know That can amplify the boost that they're getting.
00:49:46
Speaker
Um... Yeah, I'd give her a three. I think she's solid um and just solid, and that's perfectly acceptable for a season pass card. You know what? I've been talked down to a three also. here we Are we all in the the hand-holding club at three?
00:50:02
Speaker
Yeah. ah Okay. Let's do it. Okay, then the super premium season pass card, but also this month starting immediately in snap packs.
00:50:13
Speaker
However, like there's trade-offs here. It's it's a Series 5 instead of a Series 4, like Silver Surfer First Steps and Fantastic Heart War. I think this is a great change. I think it's awesome to make it available to players who want it, even if it is more expensive.
00:50:27
Speaker
That's feedback that I gave in the creator area. Not to say that I'm single-handedly responsible so for this, but... I'll say it. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you for making this happen It's good change. I like it.
00:50:38
Speaker
It's just that i can only talk about my own things that I said in that space. You know, the rest of it's all under and NDA. um But i yeah, I think it's a marvelous change. So just so it's clear, they are available in Series 5.
00:50:51
Speaker
Sparky is available in Series 5 pack on day one. And in the Super Premium Season Pass, it's his variant. But now that the game has changed, the variants give you the card, you can get the card.
00:51:02
Speaker
This the one thing that I think that they should have been a little more careful about, is I think people are going to open packs right away, get Sparky, and then all of a sudden the Super Premium Pass is way less valuable to them. So I kind of think he should have been in the shop available for tokens, but not necessarily in snap packs on the first week.
00:51:21
Speaker
It's their first time. They'll figure it out. ah Anyway, Sparky, this is a fun looking card. two one activate, give your card that last moved plus three power and move it back to its previous location. Ben?
00:51:38
Speaker
Uh, had to give this one a four It looks pretty nuts to me. This activate to move a card back to its previous location. This is just, like, so much more flexible than what Aranya does.
00:51:50
Speaker
This is, like... i You know, is like Lego. the The only limits are your imagination. um Dang. I, like...
00:52:03
Speaker
yeah Stupid Human Torch. This is obviously why they couldn't have 1-2 Human Torch just being the easiest thing to get ridiculous. but I mean, like, sure, that he's still going to be ridiculous as 3-3 Human Torch with this card.
00:52:19
Speaker
um I'm not really excited about it. Like, I... Yeah, it just seems very powerful to me, and the flexibility is, like... Consider Madam Web, right? Like, Madam Web is limited by the the movement rules of, like...
00:52:35
Speaker
it it all has to happen during that move phase at the beginning of the turn and stuff. Whereas this can be like layered with whatever other hijinks you've got and you will have other hijinks. I just, I think this card is, yeah and and when I, that, that is not, uh, that I made that face and that noise because I think it's too good and I don't like cards that are too good. Gotcha. Uh,
00:53:02
Speaker
ah I think this is Viv's dog, right? Or at least the family's dog. This the one that Agatha killed, right? Is it? killed Sparky.
00:53:13
Speaker
no Is it the same Sparky? Well, this Sparky is from... Yeah, but i mean I mean, like, you know, it not like in WandaVision, you know, at the end of Agatha all along, you know, she's like, I killed Sparky.
00:53:30
Speaker
Yeah. Maybe it is the same Sparky. I don't know. I mean, it's certainly named after the... They inspired by the Vision run, but the in the Vision run, it's Vision who's recreating a family in suburbia, and Scarlet Witch isn't even, like, in the picture there. but they ah kind of took a few ideas from it.
00:53:49
Speaker
So it's like, I think they probably named the dog after Sparky, but like Sparky isn't a a hue isn't ah human...
00:54:03
Speaker
The reason I bring that is not just so you can place it in your mind as Viv's dog, but I love... that the guards work together, specifically Viv and Sparky, right? Viv gets way stronger if you interact her with Sparky. She's way less likely to move and hold her location. Mm-hmm.
00:54:23
Speaker
More likely to hold her location and give the buffs, which I think is probably the better thing than the move, um given they're both strong things to do. ah Yeah, Sparky for instant staple in move decks and a variety of different move decks.
00:54:37
Speaker
This is ah better Hercules. and That's a low bar, but yeah like and not just because it's a two instead of a three, but like it's just so much more controlled, right? You can move off of the Madam Web lane and then immediately send them back to the Madam Web lane.
00:54:52
Speaker
Was Hercules a 4-5 at least? Yes! 4-5? Oh, I forgot about that. Yes, you launched at 4. Yeah, Sparky just seems super duper strong. um Maybe it was 4-5. And the only limitation is you need cards in your deck that move anyway, but it's fine to have cards that are archetype-specific.
00:55:16
Speaker
three I gave him a three. I agree. It's kind of the... I give him a three because he's not... You do need to, like, put him with move stuff.
00:55:27
Speaker
um So it doesn't go everywhere. But it's like the activate isn't even really so much of a downside. You can play him all the way up to turn five still with benefit, you know? And... um Yeah, obviously, it's like what you want to do. It's only like kind of flaw is it's very Red Guardian-able.
00:55:51
Speaker
again like like having a Red Guardian take out a two-cost card, ah you know, usually doesn't like feel ah quite so bad. so But like I said, you're you're building for it So ah agree. If you're playing a move deck, though, I don't see why you but you would not have this card in there. Yeah.
00:56:12
Speaker
assuming you had the card also in fairness to hercules he did releases a four six not a four five he just felt like a four five okay uh next up our first week series five card ah that's not available in a pass I suppose this is the downside to the super premium pass thing, as there are two cards in Series 5 packs, Week 1.
00:56:40
Speaker
Moira X. When this is destroyed, get a copy of your opening hand. I think this is a very difficult card to rate, because it is month unusual ability. Like, you could compare her to Moon Girl, maybe?
00:56:56
Speaker
but Maybe. Or Frigga? But, like, both of those are so much slower than she is. um However, she does require destroyed support.
00:57:07
Speaker
Yeah. um But Moira, like, you don't need to hold those things in your hand. You don't need to play them in a certain order. Like, she can sit on your board and wait, and you can get that hand back later.
00:57:18
Speaker
Like, this is card draw. um At least three cards, right? it might be four, but I would guess three. It's three. yeah That's what happens when you get the copy of your opening hand from filling up whatever that location is, right?
00:57:30
Speaker
a Something timeline? Yeah, it's it's the three cards and not the the one that you drew turn I think you're right. I'm um like, I really want to give her a four. This just seems interesting. and then deck I think there are decks that can benefit from this ability for sure, right?
00:57:47
Speaker
Destroy decks, getting an extra Carnage or Venom, that's huge! Yeah. An extra death like there are things that that this would love to do. um
00:57:58
Speaker
But I'm wary of giving it too many points because it looks so fun, which I am very vulnerable to doing. um
00:58:07
Speaker
And this card does not have like knobs, right? Like, how do you how do you nerf this card if it's too strong? I'm not saying it, but if it is the one one, you don't like this card. um Oh, no, I like it. It's as a very cool and interesting card. I'm a big fan. I wish more of the cards were like this in terms of interestingness and power level.
00:58:30
Speaker
I think it's a better ability than Uncle Ben's. I know that that is also like a weird bar to tie things to, but it's similar in that it's a one cost that you destroy to do something. It would be better than Uncle Ben in an eight turn game for sure. Definitely. Oh, cost you're worried about.
00:58:46
Speaker
All right. I'm hemming and hamming. Just like in terms of what is practical to do in six turns, that's that's where I am bumping up against this.
00:58:57
Speaker
and i'll See, here's the thing. I'm team small cards and ah i regularly play out almost every single card in my hand. my Put this in Killmonger and Surfer. You want an extra Surfer, an extra Brood? This is spicy.
00:59:13
Speaker
this is spicy yeah No, it's very spicy. I also find it difficult to evaluate. I'm not sure. I'm just so stuck because I can't do halves. If I could do halves, it would be a three and a half, but that's cheating. um I'm going to commit to four. I think there's something wild you can do with her.
00:59:28
Speaker
Even though I made the exact same mistake with Fallen 1. no Okay, read more X. So I give her three. I get agree that she's hard to rate um because we see happens. But whenever I see, like, destroy or discard, like, I think too many people get caught on the idea of combos, right? So I think about once again immediately, okay, my destroyed X, you know, in destroy, know,
00:59:56
Speaker
And I like this. I like this for Destroy. She's one cost, easy to include, easy to destroy, to fit in around your carnage, you know, to take the place of like, she'd be taking place of like a Nico or something, right? Like, but she allows you to maybe take something out further up. maybe not a Wolverine and play her because she's copying what's in your hand.
01:00:18
Speaker
As Lauren already said, death. You're super happy to get even a null because you're hopefully a lot of Destroy decks are playing a lot of top heavy things with the hope that X-23 and whatnot is going to get them the extra energy to maybe play a Nullzola or something like that.
01:00:35
Speaker
And um I usually actually leave Zola out of a lot of my destroy decks just because it's so expected. I like to just leave the possibility there on the board for them to try and counter while I do other stuff.
01:00:47
Speaker
But like, and this could open play, like I said, where maybe a destroy deck now could fit more things alongside Nico. Usually it's just like... Nico X-23, you know, or maybe you're doing something little different with like an Uncle Ben or something like that, along with your Deadpool and whatnot. If you're doing Deadpool style, destroy it. And if you can copy cards and get a little more to fill in you know, that that fluff, then...
01:01:14
Speaker
um But once again, i don't think, i mean, you obviously are just not putting this in every deck. So I wondered if three was high, I'm willing to go there because I see a lot of things that you would like to copy. And you're like, you're always wanting an extra Venom and Carnage sometimes in destroy deck if you're playing like Wolverine and that stuff. So that's where I'm at with her.
01:01:38
Speaker
So I've got quick question. Question or rather, i think I know the answer. But um so when we get these copies of our or starting hand, these are copies that will have the modifications that they've gotten since then. did wonder that.
01:01:55
Speaker
Is your Deadpool the bigger Deadpool? This is like time theater, right? Where like if you draw a modified version of the card, you get the copied modified version of the card. Or even if you modify it after drawing it, you get the copy of that modified card.
01:02:08
Speaker
I thought they changed the timeline location so that it doesn't do that. Because, like, yeah, if you get to make a copy of your 1-8 Deadpool or something like that, that's disgusting. Yeah. Sacred timeline. that's Could not reach it.
01:02:29
Speaker
that does That's very important to to this card's power. Yeah. because like I really find this card difficult to evaluate. My instinct is that it will be good for something eventually, if not right away, but also maybe right away.
01:02:45
Speaker
I'm like, is this going to be fun in a very low-curve kind of new destroy deck with your Uncle Ben's and your X-23s and your Nikos and eventually your head pools? I... i yeah Like, i I want to believe that this is the head pool friend that's going give us a fun, like, lower... Yeah, just lower curve destroy deck.
01:03:11
Speaker
um I... Yeah, I... i I'm giving it a two because I'm just, I'm not, it's a little clunky, you know? And and like, I love, i love that it says draw three cards, kind of on it, you know, like that's, that's neato. That's very good.
01:03:29
Speaker
It's just, it's a little clunky, you know? And i think it's difficult to like guarantee that like,
01:03:41
Speaker
it all comes together into some sort of cohesive plan, you know? i think that very often decks are good when they know what they're trying to do and then they just do it, you know?
01:03:56
Speaker
Whereas as this is more of a like, let's get ahead in a vague, ill-defined way, you know? And like, sometimes, you know, Harisham's pretty good.
01:04:10
Speaker
I don't know. i I think that, yeah, I want to believe in this card, but I'm only giving it two. It's perfectly valid. Another point in its favor, you know exactly which three cards you're drawing.
01:04:23
Speaker
right That's true. Sometimes you don't chase her at all because it's... Once the game has started, you you do know which three cards. Yes. Before you play her, anyway.
01:04:34
Speaker
Okay. Is there anything with Dormammu in the summoning ritual?
01:04:40
Speaker
Two summoning ritual paths could be a strong thing to do, but you only ever get one Dormammu. Like, if you play Ritual 3 twice, it moves Dormammu from one location to the other.
01:04:53
Speaker
um But like the second ritual is a pretty strong card. It is a pretty strong card. Minus one power from every card here for one energy. Could be interesting. um You don't play her with with something like Quicksilver or Agatha. so No, you super don't.
01:05:11
Speaker
i mean Maybe somebody is going to try this with Agatha, aren't they? Yes, somebody is. Redshift to get rid of one of your Agathas and make another. Anyway. All right. Then we have two Series 4 cards opening the first week ah going into the the Series 4 packs.
01:05:26
Speaker
First up, awesome, Andy. A two one Activate. Give one of your cards at each other location plus two power. Free.
01:05:36
Speaker
I give it two stars. um It's no Cobra, it is an Activate. um um which Damn.
01:05:47
Speaker
Which does fit under a Cosmo, you know? Sometimes there are good things about Activates around those locations. And there are places where it's useful because it buffs things, like a Frankie Ray or whatever. you know, like...
01:06:03
Speaker
so like Would you rather have this than other buff cards? So that's where we're at. Mid buff card that will fit in some decks.
01:06:17
Speaker
That's it. Two stars. um All right. um I think the closest point of comparison for this card is pre-buff Toxidoxi.
01:06:28
Speaker
I think this card is hot garbage. I think it's an easy one.
01:06:34
Speaker
still rather play it than cope. That's a strong argument. I'm trying to make my, my, uh, cause, I don't trying to make my range wider, right? Like, if if you make ones only the worst, most awful cards, hardly anything's ever going to be a one.
01:06:50
Speaker
But this is up on Toxidoxy, too, where it's like it's stuff you already playing played out, meet not stuff you might play. What happens with hand buff cards is you can't usually play out everything you've buffed in your hand. This is guaranteed to go on things in your board, but you also want it on things on the board that will benefit from Ironheart style as opposed to style So you're like hoping you give like plus two to your Iron Man and your Vingurgin. Lasher. Or like something that like cares to benefit from it. But it's still a 2-5 that does its thing over two turns.
01:07:27
Speaker
and like even Cheap activates are better than expensive activates, but they all have activate. And also, this one, this activate is so weak, it's probably not even worth Jocasta-ing about.
01:07:38
Speaker
like It's just not... it just doesn't do enough and it's it's a 2-1 on its own. Jocasta doesn't have to hit only though. she can She can reactivate three cards in her lane so like he could be a little extra bonus.
01:07:49
Speaker
Anyway, you've convinced me. there enough stuff like Look at Herbie. yeah i was i was leaning 2 because he's playable but I think you're right. He's a 1 because i um i always want to play something else instead. Okay.
01:08:08
Speaker
Omega Sentinel, 4-3, activate. Afflict the highest power enemy card with... Oh, it's not here. That threw me off. Afflict the highest power enemy card with minus 7 power.
01:08:20
Speaker
Ben. I also was inserting a here in that sentence that did not actually exist. That makes this card much more interesting um and probably changes what I should rate it.
01:08:35
Speaker
I don't think it makes the card... Better. ah um I think maybe I was going to give it... You know, I'll still give it a three. I'll still give it a three. I was going to give it a three before when I thought it was all local at the location and was easier to control and get exactly what you wanted out of it.
01:08:54
Speaker
But speaking of things that might or might not be worth doing twice with Jocasta, this one is worth doing twice with Jocasta. ah Wow. That's...
01:09:06
Speaker
yeah i Yeah, it's a 4-3. that correct? Did I? a Yeah, 4-3. So it's a 4-10 that can't be shamed. Yeah. the i mean I mean, if we're letting it keep the... If we're evaluating it as as the thing that keeps the stats in its collaboration with Jocasta whatever, ah like, you know, 4-17 is a pretty cool thing. Also, i like that
01:09:40
Speaker
it's going to be a different card the second time, you know, like the, especially now that it's now that I realized it's not just at that location. Yeah. you're going to be like, boom, you, you get Vaseline, you get Vaseline.
01:09:53
Speaker
Um, it, It's, yeah, I think this card's very strong. It's wide card. I don't think it's like four strong, but I think it's like three strong, and it's not offensive to me.
01:10:07
Speaker
I do know that activate on a four is like kind of an eh, but um yeah, I think this is a solid three. That's what I think. I need to think harder about this not being all in, like, just the broader scope of this ability, like, definitely changes some things about it, and I should probably let those bounce around in my head. But, yeah, gut reaction is still a three.
01:10:32
Speaker
Yeah, I'm like low three. ah Going wide is good. Very Jocastable. But i'm I'm trying to compare like 410 can't be shonged with 4 cost activate. And that's like, that's a ah Which one of those messes with you more often?
01:10:52
Speaker
i think it's probably the four cost to activate hurts you more than opposing Shang's. And maybe it's because of where I sit on the bottom of infinite. But um I know, you know, like Shang's play rate is always high, but fluctuates.
01:11:12
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah, she's fine. I don't think she's super interesting, but I am much more interested in her now that I realize she goes wide.
01:11:22
Speaker
three Okay, two stars. I think you're a little too high with like, like oh, but with Jocasta, sure, look how many things are great with Wong. It's still another card that you're comboing it with.
01:11:36
Speaker
It's a four-cost activate, which means you have unless you've Zabooed it, you've got two turns that you can play in on it to make any use of it. Otherwise, you're really bummed to play four-three on turn six.
01:11:50
Speaker
um And so it's two stars for me. i honestly, mean, I agree that you can, in the right deck, she can do good things. But for the kind of things I'm often doing, like, ask many if I start seeing around a lot, just I'm just putting Luke Cage in a deck. That's what I'm doing. Or perhaps a super adaptoid.
01:12:12
Speaker
um that activate rogue? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, when we get to it later. um you know And you know when Jocasta comes out, everyone's just going be playing like Ghost and Cosmic Ghost Rite and whatever.
01:12:28
Speaker
and just to take all these out. So I think you guys are a little hot on her, but that's what said. I think she's fine. You know what I mean? I think she's playable. she'll do really great in some decks.
01:12:42
Speaker
But ah you guys were really hype about, or at least Ben was really hype about Scarlet Spider. like card that's still around. so People are still playing. I know, and it's like a card that I would sometimes, I'm not playing it in my current buff deck.
01:12:59
Speaker
It's maybe what could go for like Black Panther, but it's just too much fun sometimes to do Black Panther shenanigans. Yeah. But like the five, but like the five sometimes because you've buffed it up, you'll still play it on turn six. This you will not.
01:13:16
Speaker
Well, also she doesn't get better if you buff her, right? Like if you buff Scarlet Spider, he gets better. This is So you can still maybe even play it out. pasta Sometimes I'll play it out because Scarlet Spider's a three cost that I've buffed even if he can't duplic duplicate.
01:13:33
Speaker
and Omega Sentinel is pretty anti-venomable.
01:13:38
Speaker
because the value is not tied to the body. But that's what I'm saying. You're going to play her with certain cards and certain decks. You keep mentioning other cards that make her strong. And I'm like, whenever I talk about a card, once again, lot of cards, like Black Panther's pretty good on a Wong.
01:13:56
Speaker
Omega Sentinel would be great with Jocasta. That's a four and a five versus a three and a four. like It's a different combo. you know and that matters also you can curve right in like you can do jocasta into omega sentinel if you if you wanted to like for some reason if you wanted to step on the gas in that sort of way i don't know that's so funny i started at two and ben talked me to three and now i'm like maybe he's right and It's not high as Cram gets confused, that's for sure.
01:14:29
Speaker
yeah I'm trying to think of like... was down on Fantasticar and that turned out better than I thought. i'm trying to I'm trying to think like what card... What deck am I playing this in? don't know. Anti-venom affliction stuff, right? Yeah, which is running Luke Cage anyway.
01:14:47
Speaker
um Which, I don't know, Luke Cage isn't big for her. But afflicting the enemy... helps Ajax and Evo A-Bomb. know.
01:15:01
Speaker
But that's where you're putting it. You're either putting her something where you're specifically pairing her with Jocasta or something, or she's going in a general affliction right? You're not just throwing her into any deck.
01:15:12
Speaker
Yeah, and I don't think she's super strong in affliction. So then it's going to come down to how important is she in Jocasta and she is kind of expensive. So... i going to amend to two.
01:15:29
Speaker
Bastion. This is our next week series five card. ah Not next week, but the week, the next week that we're talking about. um September 9th, four, three on reveal, add copies of your other cards here to your hand, set their costs to two and power to three. He's turning them into sentinels. Get it.
01:15:47
Speaker
Um, Very cool design. There are decks that are going to love this. four three is expensive. But, like, ah Victoria Hand is obsessed with this, and that's already a very strong deck. my So I think...
01:16:10
Speaker
he just automatically goes in every Victoria Hand deck, right? oh Think about how this could do for Bullseye, though. I hate that. I hate that for Bullseye. If instead of Frigga, they just play Bastion and get back, like, their Bullseye and their Dickhead and, like... mean, that's a very slow thing to do. You have to play Bastion on four, and then you have to play your two Bullseyes on five. Like, it's doable, but... That would a good night team game.
01:16:35
Speaker
Yeah. He is a slow card. The four really hurts him. um But he's cool. Minimally so in that Victoria Hand situation that we're yeah worried about.
01:16:48
Speaker
He's really cool. And he he actually in some ways reminds me of of the Ancient One. And he seems better. ah The Ancient One is still so fun and like...
01:17:02
Speaker
Certain places. See, I've been playing her in C5, and she is so fun. Also... yes huh ah I've been losing to a lot of a lot of c five oh yeah I mean, this goes into c three for sure.
01:17:17
Speaker
yeah i love c five and i sorry and c two
01:17:24
Speaker
okay
01:17:28
Speaker
I'm leaning three. It's a very strong ability, but the four is very expensive and useless on turn six.
01:17:38
Speaker
ah Unless you make copies of Makkari. I do love making copies of Makkari. Yeah. Okay, wait. Make a super buff Makkari, hit them with Bastion, and you have Luke Cage on the board.
01:17:56
Speaker
I'm going to stick with three. Read. Two. Because think it's just, it's like, it'll be fine and good and fun. I put this in thinking of things like Esme...
01:18:11
Speaker
ah Cuckoo. Let me just try that every time. like How do you say that word again? Okay. And Anti-Venom and stuff, which just like you have to be thoughtful around your deck building when you're resetting cards, cost, and power. and it gets a bit tricky, and it's not guaranteed. It's like when you're doing this, it's like, okay, it's like what you played and where.
01:18:34
Speaker
um So I think it'll be particularly fun, but a ah two ah two-star from me. I
01:18:45
Speaker
i think this is some kind of three. i don't know. High three, low three. I'm more inclined to think high three. ah This seems pretty nuts with your Quinjets and your Victoria Hands and also your Cerebros. I think that Victoria Hand does not need this kind of help.
01:19:05
Speaker
And this is just like, it's so straightforward. you know there are... <unk> Quinjet is a spicy call. i I think this card's very strong. I think it used to have more power, didn't it?
01:19:19
Speaker
ah This was like Datamind is like a 4-6 or something. Wasn't it? That sounds right to me. Maybe it a 5, though. think it used have a more intimidating stat line, I believe.
01:19:31
Speaker
I don't think it could have been a 5, could it? but This card would be a very bad. I'll live facts check. 4-5. ah for But like, okay, that means you're playing your Cerebro early if you're trying to copy up your Cerebro, which leaves your Cerebro vulnerable. What I know from playing Cerebro is you really want to hold back that Cerebro from being Red Guardian or Enchantress if you can.
01:19:55
Speaker
I will totally defer to your expertise as a person who plays Cerebro. Maybe this card is not a Cerebro card, but the Victoria Hand Quinjet stuff is what I'm more worried about. But like, okay, also I see that, but it's easy to get, as someone who has played a lot of Victoria Hand as well, like recently also, then it's like, okay, so like...
01:20:20
Speaker
This, you don't want copy your Kate Bishop arrows, really. There can be easier ways. The Ancient One is a great one to play with Victoria Hand and copy all your shit onto other stuff.
01:20:35
Speaker
And it's like, this comes after for things like I said that you're playing on turn three. um What I do so often to to like negative certain players is like when you know the Iron Man Mystique's coming, well, you make sure you hit that Iron Man right when they're going copy it with Mystique, so you take out two cards.
01:20:54
Speaker
And this card feels vulnerable to that, and that if like people see it coming, you know what I mean? It's easy for them to put a counter out. for you to miss, you know, put that Cosmo out or something. I don't know. But the ancient one doesn't have that problem. The ancient one announces what's going on every step of the way.
01:21:12
Speaker
Like, yeah, yeah. I think this is much less... But the Ancient one's piled costs two! You can put new Victoria Hand in another lane. That's what I mean. The Ancient one costs two and you save it for the end and then you know you're going pull it off. Oh, you mean the... Okay. The Daomondala. You can wait until, yeah, turn six to play Cerebro and Mandala, something like that. Right. So in this one you're tied in.
01:21:36
Speaker
Yeah. just trying to point out some drawbacks. I don't think it's as free quite as you're saying, you have to think, once again, this is setting it to two and three. And then you're like, well, okay, specifically when you do that Cerebro 3, and it's like, well, here's the drawbacks for Cerebro 3. I am so not talking about Cerebro 3 anymore. You've convinced me it's not a Cerebro 3 card. Victoria Hand, right, with Hood and stuff.
01:21:58
Speaker
It's like... It's just like, what are you copying specifically beyond just the idea that it's really nice to copy? say I don't know. I think there's... You could copy your Quinjet. You could copy Victoria Hand. You could copy the hood. Two, three hood. Okay, but you're copying your Quinjet to play on five. Why wouldn't you just Mockingbird and then double your Quinjet and then you don't have to play a second Quinjet? You're copying anything. Anything is lane with Victoria Hand. I say Moonstone? Did say different card?
01:22:24
Speaker
That's what I meant. Moonstone. I'm just saying... Oh, gosh, it's probably nuts with Moonstone, too. I mean, if we are doing that Moonstone on four... Wait, you're not playing Moonstone and Bastion on the same turn. You know what I mean? And I'd rather play Moonstone than have to play a second culture. Bastion can be five.
01:22:44
Speaker
Because part of the problem with Victoria Hand is you're usually filling up your lane with little cards, like Kate's Arrows and stuff. So, like, you like the benefit that Moonstone means you don't...
01:22:57
Speaker
I think that getting some two threes is good in a Victoria Hand deck. Yeah, getting two three versions of your cards that you wanted to play anyway, it seems like all upside to me.
01:23:10
Speaker
Yeah, they end up being two fives, one fives if you have... And that's with one Quinjet and one Victoria Hand. fives with one Victoria Hand, but that's the whole game here. We're doing it multiples. yeah we yeah i This card seems really strong to me.
01:23:24
Speaker
I see your critique and I agree with it. he is He's slow. Four cost is is... If he gets held back by anything, that's what it is like. that yeah You can only play four and You just have to play cards you're copying. Yeah. And you had other cards in your hand. That means you can't play those other cards in your hand because those also have costs.
01:23:43
Speaker
I don't know. I think you're deck building specifically. Okay. The following week, Jim Hammond, Human Torch, 1-2, Series 5.
01:23:55
Speaker
At the start of each turn, plus one power for each bonus energy, you have three.
01:24:03
Speaker
Oh. um I mean, I know. I've been giving it two, but it's hard to, like, it's hard when, like, Cobra and, like, what other card did we stick down there in one land? Just another really terrible card that belongs there besides Cobra. Yeah.
01:24:18
Speaker
feel like I should be knocking on. So just mention Cobra. But, um... Yeah, but, like, like, it's a two, I guess. You're happy to have an Awakened building for it.
01:24:34
Speaker
It's fine. We have so many heat human human torches now. Ben?
01:24:42
Speaker
I gave this one a three. Um... I think it's going to be good with Warlock, good with Jocasta. You know, the... I mean, like, the the Warlock thing... Let's be clear, it's bonus energy.
01:24:55
Speaker
It's not unspent energy. Oh, what am I thinking of? ah what Why did I give this card a three? i don't know. This is not my kind of card. ah It's going to be... What? what Hangs out with Hope Summers.
01:25:10
Speaker
It's a start of turn effect. I don't know. Yeah. Or like a big fallen one or white hot one. I should have typed up some more notes because like I did look at this card and think about it for a while and I'm pretty sure I knew what I was talking about when I gave it a three, but I don't remember why.
01:25:26
Speaker
ah Let's see. What does... What is it good with? Plus one power for each bonus energy you have. i mean, like, you get Wiccan down and, you know... I don't know.
01:25:38
Speaker
i don't know. i
01:25:42
Speaker
Yeah. It's not my kind of card, so, like, it does look kind of, like, lackluster to me, but...
01:25:51
Speaker
Yeah, I should have typed up why I thought it was a three, because I don't remember. Okay. I'm giving it a one. I can't believe this is a Series 5 card. It's very Mad Thinker, right? Like, hella niche.
01:26:03
Speaker
One, two, that scales at the start of turn. Like, it doesn't scale in your hand. Like, it's just a very awkward card that's very vulnerable. You have to play it out early in order for it to get benefit. You can't, like, overpower it on turn six, know what mean? The overpower move is the Fallen one, right? And he is...
01:26:23
Speaker
He does have the edge on Sunspot in that it doesn't care whether or not you spend that energy. You can have the bonus energy, benefit from it, and also spend that energy. um So, like, he goes in giant Fallen 1 decks.
01:26:37
Speaker
Maybe, but as we've already discussed, then your opponent's just retreating anyway. Plus, they can see your Jim Hammond sitting on the board when you make 20-power Fallen 1. All right, I'm putting him down to 2. I don't remember what I... Maybe maybe it was just misreading Warlocking.
01:26:53
Speaker
Like put him in a Wiccan deck where you get Wiccan out on four. He's a one. He's a one six. I hate this so much, there's gotta be something to do with it, right? Yeah, or a Mad Thinker.
01:27:06
Speaker
But, you know, yeah, it's like you want to do something with it, that's why it's like i kind of edged him into two, but, like, it's it's very much Nick Scratch. You're playing him because you have a cute idea.
01:27:18
Speaker
This is a card that I so badly don't want to play that I think that there has to be something there for the people who do want to play it, right? they wouldn't It just doesn't have enough support. Okay. Yeah. very often like if i don't understand a card like i just think there has to be something to it but you know maybe there isn't in this case yeah maybe hope summers is the right answer because with hope summers what do you get like four or five bonus energy over the course of the game you can get a lot if you're like merlin and stuff like yeah you can oh yeah that's merlin oh that once and future
01:27:53
Speaker
ah This does give Once in Future a lot more value. Once in Future is already great. Once in Future is the sleeper hit of the summer, if you ask. I'm sure I don't play Once in Future enough because I'm like, I don't want to draw this card later.
01:28:08
Speaker
Oh, you're never going to draw that. i mean, like you might you might draw that card again. um but like That's not what we're doing here. thought I'd be paid for that. We're getting a refund on our... like
01:28:20
Speaker
Yeah, I know, it doesn't make sense. I need to be more aggressive with it anyway. I'm still a one on this, even though, yeah, once in future and hope summers, those are much better arguments. ah Okay.
01:28:33
Speaker
And then danger coming in the revamped Deadpool's diner, which we'll talk about when it gets closer, um but looks promising. A four, six, activate, destroy an enemy card here with less power.
01:28:53
Speaker
Sorry. All right. Well, this one I found to be pretty difficult to evaluate. I don't love this activate-destroy thing. I think like the closest point of comparison seems to be like you know you're the thing first steps, because that's that's the other card that destroys an enemy card that has less power, and also here.
01:29:15
Speaker
and so It's a local one, not like Omega Sentinel. So... so ah now now i'm Now I'm looking for the here's in all of all of these sentences I'm reading.
01:29:27
Speaker
ah So, yeah, I think, you know, you want to buff it up and then, like, kill a big thing maybe, but you can't target it. So that's, like, frustrating because, like... Yeah, you buff it up and then you still just destroy the two. You make it a 4.13, it's still not guaranteed to hit that Magneto you're you're eyeing or whatever, you know? Like, it's... It just seems a little dodgy. I i think...
01:29:52
Speaker
I'm waffling between two and three, and I think this one feels like maybe, i don't know, just destroying two enemy cards here with the cost. I feel like it's probably a three. You guys are so undecided. I've been so decisive every card.
01:30:05
Speaker
Yeah. You're killing it. Well, you're you definitely, you know, yeah you'll be right or wrong about them, and and you will have been right or wrong about them, whereas you're right. It's fine. I think I've only waffled on two.
01:30:24
Speaker
Anyway. don't know. There's some that I'm sure about, and this one I'm not all that sure about. I think I'm going to give it a low three. uh i'm i'm low two on this like it's a fine thing to do it does damage but she is slow and um you know she's a four eight when she destroys a two power card which you know like at like her best she's destroying a five power card i know you can buff her and all that four eleven that's slow You could just play a 410 that is predictable and and easy to handle. and ah i'm just I don't know. I don't like her.
01:30:59
Speaker
um I mean, just take omega ah Omega Sentinel. That's just a better card. like Yeah. ah Besides the chance that you buff danger and destroy something bigger. so um Maybe I'm not even a 2. Maybe I'm a 1 on her. she's just I don't know why I'm playing this card.
01:31:17
Speaker
Destroying two cards with Jocasta cool. Yeah, but let's consider like some of these smaller cards are about more than the numbers on them, though. like If she kills Captain Carter, that's pretty significant. you know Also, Captain Carter makes it easier to kill Captain Carter by probably ah taking the cards behind her off of the target list.
01:31:41
Speaker
so I'd rather play Cosmic Ghost Rider, and I hate that card. That's a good point. Yeah, i don't know. if This one might be a two. i really struggle with this one. Rick? Okay, so I also gave it low end of two.
01:31:55
Speaker
Even if I were playing this in my buff deck, I would just play Shang-Chi. I would just put that power on Shang-Chi and play Shang-Chi knowing what card I was taking out when I was playing putting it down.
01:32:08
Speaker
This card, I think, will mostly only be played in Jocasta stuff where you're hoping to like you know ping off some extra, you know trigger it more than once.
01:32:20
Speaker
Because the problem is you wouldn't even just put this in randomly for, like, because, yeah, there are powerful low-cost cards. But usually decks that play those are filling their board with lots of low-cost cards. And think it gets hard to make sure you're going to hit the right one.
01:32:35
Speaker
So for what it does, a lot of times you're just going to want to play Shang-Chi. Or, like, even thing for steps, who at least is getting as a powerful card, right? Even if it doesn't.
01:32:47
Speaker
Triton, it's usually pretty easy to fill lane and pull it off unless you're, you know, you let yourself be set up for a counter like Shang-Chi or something like that. So think it doesn't see a lot of play except for in like, the activate.
01:33:04
Speaker
Uh... you know, the activate decks that we'll see in the vein of the end of turn decks we were seeing with Sue, you know, which just like, just put them in there. I think they're going to be every bit as powerful and buck wild. Yeah.
01:33:18
Speaker
Right. When Jocaster comes out, I think that's, that's where it will go and it won't find a home much else until more ways to reactivate it come along. Okay.
01:33:34
Speaker
Uh, The following week, Warlock. Another Series 5. Activate. For each unspent energy, give a card in your hand, minus one cost.
01:33:46
Speaker
This is one I could waffle on. um I think I would rate it low if I thought it only belonged in She-Not decks, but I think he can replace Sarah. I think turn 5, you full float, and that's...
01:34:01
Speaker
that's big on decks where you're going dump your hand. So I'm, I'm going to go for, i think this is a huge play if you pull it off.
01:34:12
Speaker
Yeah. I went a high three. um agree I agree. think this is really good. I'm really excited because as time has gone on, we've kind of discussed before how skipping energy gets harder and harder to justify as opposed to using that energy to set up combos.
01:34:31
Speaker
Like, it used to be so fun to do the holdover, you know, moon... moon girl she-hulk kind of stuff and that can still happen sometimes but it's a lot harder and this gives you another tool to make it better to do that so i love it i do think it's like it can go in a variety um A bigger variety of decks, maybe not quite as as Sarah, because you are kind of planning to do it.
01:34:59
Speaker
But along that level, where you like in the where you're trying to use it, it can definitely replace like a Sarah-type card. Yeah. Yeah. And honestly, if you are even just looking at it as a three cost with Surfer, lot of times you are kind of, ah you know, missing some energy on turns four to five, you know, stuff kind of like that where you can sneak it in.
01:35:25
Speaker
And then it's just another body for Surfer. Surfer is a great example. And I'm talking about doing a full float on five, which, you know, is an expensive thing to do. What's is Sarah five, five now? She has five power.
01:35:36
Speaker
no Sarah, in a surfer deck, she gets you three energy. Right? Warlock is giving you five energy. Like, depending on where that lands, is that an extra... It is that all randomly a bit in your hand, right? So it depends how it falls out.
01:35:55
Speaker
Yes. Mm-hmm.
01:35:59
Speaker
Is that... Is that enough to play a fourth card? eleven ah It's not quite enough to play a fourth card. Um...
01:36:09
Speaker
leave you open it like i said this is too cheaper than sarah so like you know if you're playing it alongside a two card then you may be fine with the randomization of like what's gonna i'm thinking of as redundant with sarah you run both of them in the same deck and you have a backup plan um i think it's also good in other places probably where sarah is activate you could play it early and with sarah yeah yeah what was you You said a four.
01:36:38
Speaker
don't think Surfer's the best place for this. i I was going to give it a three, but as I've thought about it more, as y'all have spoken about it, I think I have to go up to a four. card... this card One thing that Sarah doesn't do is ah give you a bunch of hidden information.
01:36:57
Speaker
And ah that's what this card does. ah you're like it's It's got the Mr. Fantastic first steps effect kind of thing where like your opponent doesn't know what cards have been discounted, how much. like it like It's going to be very difficult to play around what this card might have done for your opponent.
01:37:19
Speaker
You know what I mean? Um, also, you know, great with your, your She-Hulks and your Infinauts and stuff. And, i Also, a great thing to double with Jocasta. Yes. I think this card is... like The only thing that made me think that maybe this card isn't a four is that... Ooh, Mobius wants to buy a new Jetski.
01:37:47
Speaker
that's Cost reduction is vulnerable in a way that extra energy is currently not. You know what I mean? um And people really do play Mobius.
01:37:59
Speaker
ah So unless something changes about that... It definitely won't be good on release week. Yeah. Yeah. i You know, maybe it is only... I don't know. But like i I think that extra information that you have about stuff like... All all those... The free cards that your opponent cannot anticipate...
01:38:22
Speaker
Yeah, I hadn't considered the surfer angle. ah Yeah, high three, low four, something like that. Real strong. you don't usually usually play You don't usually play Seren surfer, right?
01:38:33
Speaker
No, I'm on a Hope Summers early. you know um i Yeah, Warlock seems really good. Really good. even Even if it is only a three. like This is kind of a must-own card, I think, for like...
01:38:47
Speaker
everybody yeah this one seems like the least skippable except Jocasta which also seems extremely unskippable
01:38:57
Speaker
one thing I know we said She-Hulk and I was thinking it's a good thing like I'm excited to play She-Hulk and Sunspot again are you afraid you're going to have too many discounts But yeah, She-Hulk's ability goes after Warlock's ability. So it's possible that she eats a bunch of them and then... But Infinaut is definitely definitely on the menu with this card. Okay.
01:39:20
Speaker
All right. The next week, we have two more cards and we're done. Jocasta, Series 5. We've already talked about her a whole bunch. 3-4, activate.
Jocasta and New Card Releases
01:39:30
Speaker
Immediately activate your other cards here without using up their activate abilities.
01:39:35
Speaker
Re- All right. This my first four star of the season. Even though she's obviously, she's like an archetype defining card. You know what i mean? She takes the activates and she brings them she's that card that finally brings them together the way that Sue and Steph brought together the end of turn cards. So, um...
01:39:57
Speaker
I think, yeah, if you are going to get the one card, probably this one unless you just hate the idea of her. And she's a good cost for an activate card, you know, which she obviously has to be at three. So you have, you know, um three turns you can play um and as we've already discussed, you've heard every single other card. How strong? This this would be good with Chokista.
01:40:23
Speaker
So I'm like... Here it is We have arrived at the Jocasta. i will say on a personal note, seeing this card always makes me a little bit sad because the only time I've read her in the comics was a pretty sad storyline for her. Like ah Tony Stark.
01:40:38
Speaker
She's like an Iron Man. And don't read. i haven't read that much Iron Man because believe it or not, I don't relate that hard to a billionaire Nepo baby.
01:40:51
Speaker
Even though I do have a soft spot for Tony Stark, as we all do. So, um yeah, she was there and she just kind of got screwed over by everyone and was sad. and beaten. I don't know.
01:41:04
Speaker
Every time I see it, it's just like intrinsic memory of the story the character hits me and I'm like, oh, Chakest, I'm sorry. Someone will have to recommend me some happier times to look up whenever you have time to read more things. Maybe she's just a sad character.
01:41:21
Speaker
I did read off her old stat line. She's a 3-3. Not a 3-4. Ben? and Did I say No, I said 3-4. Oh, okay. I said 3-4. oh it's okay
01:41:33
Speaker
Oh, I think she's real strong. I think this one's a four. i ah I thought Invisible Woman was a four, and I think this card is, like, every bit as nuts as Invisible Woman first steps. In fact, like, this is more like...
01:41:51
Speaker
rule-breaking than Sue was than Tuzan. you know like this Using up an activate without using up an activate is like... none Nobody does that.
01:42:02
Speaker
ah This is like if Tuzan did let Human Torch double twice and the thing murder twice. like This is wild. Yeah. they like This is... too to move I don't like this card at all. I think probably...
01:42:18
Speaker
I think it's going to be unfun and I think it's stupid. Four. um Yeah, she's my lowest four, but I think she's a four. and Even if she doesn't prove to be 4-power, which I think she will.
01:42:35
Speaker
um Or, I mean, that strong of a card. i think it's the kind of card everybody needs. right like is Because you know it's archetype-defining and all that. I didn't even bother to look up all of the activate cards. like I didn't like go down the list and see all the things that will shortly come to haunt my nightmares. but you know yeah i Definitely card that I will do lots of clips with. like She's going to become a staple for me, just like...
01:43:02
Speaker
Wong and Odin and like all the doublers, they're always those in the steep energy discounters. They're just, they're used in all the cool combos. Um, One of the rules that she breaks that's really important.
01:43:14
Speaker
You can play an activate card on turn six and use it. That is both good for like, oh, we hate four cost activates because they're so slow. It's like, well, now you play it on turn six. You get rid of that risk.
01:43:27
Speaker
Not entirely because you have to play Jocasta before turn six, but you get what I'm saying. Um... But it also breaks the rule that your opponent can see the activate coming. Right. They know Jocasta is there, but they don't know what you're doing with Jocasta. Right. Are you dropping a giant Scarlet Spider?
01:43:41
Speaker
Are you dropping Omega Sentinel? Like they have no idea what you're about to do um only once. But still, like it could be a big ability that you're about to pop off um if it's not face up.
01:43:54
Speaker
I think sometimes it'll be correct to do it on turn four or five, especially if you suspect they might try snipe you with a super adaptoid or something. Yeah. And we don't we don't ghost we don't have... Ghost is for end of turn.
01:44:09
Speaker
Oh, yeah, that's right. I put them all together in my head. Right, because because two's in his activate. Like, I get it. Yeah.
01:44:18
Speaker
yeah no ghost is a turd i cannot believe they made that card sheesh uh they literally managed to make it worse every time i think of her like at first was like ah time you mention mocha she doesn't even do that do you guys do you think that she will let you repeat and activate you already used i hope not It without using up their activate abilities. Yeah, but what if it's already used up? Once you've used it up, I think you're done.
01:44:50
Speaker
that's That's my... I'm so split on that. Yeah. I'm so split on that. I'm like 50-50. Usually I have like a leaning on the rules, but this one I have no idea.
01:45:01
Speaker
had to pick one, I'd go with Ben and say that not if they were already used. I would too. um But who knows? double jacast is going to be a fun thing to do the second one will not activate the first one but the first one will activate the second one uh anyway cool card um i think you can do stuff like shuri and then scarlet spider on turn six and activate immediately like there's cool stuff you can do with this card that you just could not do before um
01:45:34
Speaker
I don't know why that's my example, because you could technically do that on turn five. You it on turn five and then do it again on turn six with Scarlet Spider's natural activation. Yeah.
01:45:46
Speaker
There's a reason that's in my mind that I can't i do this. Better put an armor in that lane. She's a super cool card. Yeah, that is that's the thing. is like yeah don't Don't leave it so vulnerable.
01:45:57
Speaker
um Anyway, very cool card might be too In this Storm comic, they just had Armor lose... It was like a real side note. Lose a battle to Big Bertha. I thought that was unfair. I thought Armor would win. Did you guys have an opinion on this?
01:46:15
Speaker
I mean... She's like Westlake Avengers or something, right? I was offended. Big Bertha. less big ah that Midwest Avengers? What is the team that's got like Flatman and Squirrel Girl on it? She's on that team, right?
01:46:30
Speaker
Great Lakes Avengers. That's it. Maggot's in the Storm Sanctuary running like a gladiator deal. Wait, Maggot from the Maggot?
01:46:42
Speaker
I think so. You probably have heard of This is my first time doing magics. You know, I i i only have specific X-Men, old X-Men knowledge. So, yeah. Is he the guy with the two bugs that are his guts?
01:46:55
Speaker
That's the one. You know how they used him to go into space and have his leeches, like, eat this dead body that was in the way of NASA observation?
01:47:06
Speaker
was like, it's I'm like, I guess if your X-Men name is Maggot and your power is Maggots, eating dead flesh. ah Anyway, sorry.
01:47:17
Speaker
Yeah, what else are you good for? Back to whatever. We have one more Series 4 card dropping at the same time as Jocasta. Super Adaptoid, 3-5-1.
01:47:31
Speaker
It's rogue for activate. On reveal, steal the text from an enemy activate card here. Ben, you're first. I'm going to this one a real real real nice three.
01:47:42
Speaker
um I glad love a three five, and ah there's going to be no shortage of targets. I'm telling you, this stupid robots means activate deck is going to be like It's going to be very good and very everywhere, and people will want to play it. And yeah, it's just going to be... There's going to be so much to... and People already play activate cards. There are already things to to steal with Super Adaptoid on a pretty regular basis, probably.
01:48:13
Speaker
um And it's a Rogue a 3-2 for a reason. um Yeah. Like, yeah if you super-adaptoid a Scarlet Spider, like, ooh.
01:48:25
Speaker
so It's got five points. And it's like a Zabu Scarlet Spider. It's like you played your own and also told theirs to go fuck itself.
01:48:36
Speaker
It's a pretty cool card. Like, the the floor on this card is so high. It's a 3-5. It's a natural-ass 3-5. And, like, not not in that, like, Red Guardian way. Like, you can play this on Deep Space and it's still a three five I'm giving it a two. I like three five is nice, but I think a lot of the time it's just going to be a vanilla three five or you're going to take an activate ability. That's not super interesting.
01:49:00
Speaker
Or maybe you'll take it after your opponent has already used it. And like, yeah, then you could use it, too. But you didn't stop them from doing theirs. um You can't target it. What if there's it's a Jocasta lane and they have three or four things built up there? What if you don't take the important thing?
01:49:13
Speaker
i think they're all I think they're all going to be important enough that you'll feel like you got your money's worth if if it hits a Dracosta lane, whichever thing you're stealing. It's disruptive, but ah I mean, you know, I am probably the lowest on this podcast on tech. I...
01:49:29
Speaker
especially targeted tech. This is not a generic one. And and i know activate is becoming increasingly generic, but it still isn't. And i I think there's lots of activate abilities that you don't care about. What's stealing black swan? I mean, I guess that one you care about because you messed up your opponent's plans. Black swan, first of all.
01:49:48
Speaker
Okay. Or hell cow. Yeah. That's the same argument. Yeah. I see more black swans than I see hell cows. Um, Bri? Yeah. Okay, I also gave it a two. I think Ben is because I see this as a more narrow red guardian, which is power flex.
01:50:06
Speaker
You know, that he's like... Because red guardian is pretty much always useful. I think a lot of times the activate ability, could still... It'll be one-sided. You're hurting them, but a lot of times what you're stealing is not going to help you that much because you didn't build a deck around that activate card the way they have. And you know...
01:50:26
Speaker
yeah I tend to avoid activate cards. That's like a bounty that you think when you pick when when I pick up I'm like, I have to play an active link, which I don't run a lot of activates in my deck. So I don't think this will be... you know i think it's a more it'll be way more useful than Ghost, but way less useful than like a Red Guardian.
01:50:50
Speaker
um So, two stars.
01:50:54
Speaker
Okay. We'll wrap this up with just a couple questions. One of them is new. It's from listener Ironcloak. They asked us to to guess what existing card will benefit the most or will gain the most play rate this season because of the new cards.
01:51:12
Speaker
I'll go first so you two have a chance to think about it. um I'm going to, don't know if this is the real answer. Like, I think, you know, like it's clear Bastion and Victoria Hand are are good friends, but Victoria Hand already has a high play rate. So i'm I'm going to go for something that is less popular right now.
01:51:26
Speaker
And I'm going to say Warlock is a very good friend to Hitmonkey, who I don't see hardly ever anymore. But I think that is a super playable deck. um And Hitmonkeys, I've been playing, you know, Hitmonkey clip deck lately. They get very big if you do it right.
01:51:40
Speaker
um and it doesn't have to be moon girl mysterio shenanigans you can make very big hit monkeys that you know like 15 power ones are still a threat um don't know 15 is a real number you can make with him and i'm not gonna figure it out right now um anyway that's my i'm putting my money on hit monkey either of you ready to go I'm going general and I think ah rather than a specific card. And for me, what this made me think of is bringing back move for players who are not usual move players, the way Batrock, the Leaper, know, got me in, made me want to play move, do werewolf stuff.
01:52:19
Speaker
It's really fun. Move is really fun in the right ways for me, you know? and for me, Viv and Sparky make me want to, you know, have that kind of Batroc feeling where it's like, ah, it's just kind of fun. to have fun with it.
01:52:34
Speaker
So I think it'll have more players who aren't usual movers, you know, trying stuff out. Okay, I need you to pick a card so that at the end of the season we can see who's playing. Oh, A specific card?
01:52:48
Speaker
Torch, then, because just as a um the regular human torch is a move card, obviously. Just great with these. Yeah, we'll definitely see plenty of that.
01:52:58
Speaker
I am going to go with Red Guardian. We were just talking about Red Guardian. And ah I said last week that ah a 3-4 Red Guardian is still perfectly fine. And, you know, 3-5s are very exciting and is' very good. that's That's the right number for for three costs. i like 3-5s. like four seven so um Four eights, four nines Those those are good too But anywho, three four red guardian It's just going to have more to do There's going to be more stuff that you want a red guardian Because all these activate cards Are, you know They are indeed vulnerable to a red guardian And it's fun to steal Things with super adaptoid But it's true that very often the main point Is just to make sure your opponent can't do the Thing they want to do So red guardian Stonks going to the moon
01:53:53
Speaker
We'll see who wins in like six weeks or whatever. We're obviously going to see with like a ton of. That's that's the one that we're like, we're going to see it where we have not been seeing it, you know?
01:54:06
Speaker
Like non-move players are going to come in and like plate start playing. We'll see. Okay. um And then my usual question.
Card Changes and Gameplay Impact
01:54:16
Speaker
Re-first.
01:54:17
Speaker
What card are you most excited for out of the new ones coming? Oh. Okay, so this is such a loaded question. My favorite thing in the season is when the card that I'm excited to mess around with is a card I know other people don't think will be that great or aren't that in isn't a big, you know, like Arisham or something where everyone's getting it.
01:54:34
Speaker
Because then I can maybe have fun with it when it comes out. Because I want to say Jocasta, but that won't be fun. We'll just be playing Gears. I'll hate it I want to say Warlock, but everyone's going to get that card.
01:54:46
Speaker
Warlock's too good, right, for a lot of people to sit on. The same thing, and then Viv would be my third. I won't even get probably Sparky unless I luck out on a roll.
01:54:58
Speaker
So I'm going to land ah this time on Myra X because I think... She's probably the one that I can have fun with and maybe everyone won't get her.
01:55:12
Speaker
Or we'll be done with her fast enough I can have some fun with her.
01:55:17
Speaker
Ben? I'm also most excited for Mara X. I didn't rate her super high, but I think she's the most interesting and the one that I'm least likely to get, you know, annoyed with.
01:55:32
Speaker
I think this is a pretty powerful season overall. That's my reading of it. Surprised you're not more excited about Sparky, but he's too good. I don't like cards that are... Yeah.
01:55:45
Speaker
yeah Ben likes his classic move. His classic vulture. Give us more better things to move. which Yeah. yeah Like make make Spider-Man 2099 good. ah but Set Vulture right. You know, like that the that's what we need. We don't need more ridiculous move enablers. The move enablers we already have are good and interesting.
01:56:10
Speaker
how but we How about we allow 2 for Doctor Strange to matter? maybe Maybe we let people play him. um I don't know. guy No, Ben, you know, actually, hadn't thought about that.
01:56:22
Speaker
I was ready to poo-poo, and you're right. I think you're totally right. We have like Ghost Spider. We have Iron F. We have all these movers. And I would just like to say I support and agree with your call for more interesting things to move.
01:56:37
Speaker
in a podcast um Give us an idea that like it moves and what does it do when it moves?
01:56:45
Speaker
Do you have something? Yeah. I'm just curious. A new thing for a move target? ah Toad, whenever this card moves, move ah an enemy or ah one of your opponent's cards at the same location.
01:56:59
Speaker
Instantly use that. You're right. There are interesting things they could do that they haven't done beyond just buff up a card. Power scaling. And we deserve to have that. Thank you for calling attention to it.
01:57:15
Speaker
They love power scaling. And I get it. Like, ultimately, that's what matters is the power. But, oh, man, let's do it in some cooler ways. Yeah, ditto. And so for a podcast first, I am also picking Moira X. You would think Jocasta or Warlock.
01:57:33
Speaker
Or something like that, right? No. And they're almost certainly going to be the... Like, Jocasta is almost certainly going to be the card I play the most out of these. um Just because I like doing silly silly shit. um But Moira, i was like bummed that like, oh, I have to wait for the entire season to play Jocasta with all these fun cards.
01:57:51
Speaker
And Warlock's also right at the end, so I can't do, you know, big explosive final turns. Although I can already do that with Fallen One and Sarah. um But Moira's the first week! I get her next week. I'm so excited. That's going to be a fun card to mess around with.
01:58:06
Speaker
And people have Viv, too, so it won't be, you know what i mean, and Sparky, maybe, so like we might see a variety of decks. And Awesome Andy! Yeah. yeah Awesome Andy!
01:58:21
Speaker
then That card is not going happen. I don't like it. I'll play it. I did buff things. You know, I'll try. I have a Toxidoxy deck played all week, so, like, you know, try it sometime. Yeah, just shove it right in there.
01:58:37
Speaker
Compare Awesome Andy to Ironheart. That, like, oh Like, Ironheart is so much better than Awesome Andy. 2-5 and 3-6? is the better stat line.
01:58:48
Speaker
two five activate. And also, like the like, Awesome Andy's one point of power on himself is, like, not good. You're hoping to hit, like, something important, right?
01:59:00
Speaker
So, like, Ironheart is just doing everyone more. Yeah. yeah We like that she's a zero. Awesome Andy is not doing more than any other card ever. Maybe they're friends though with Ravonna.
01:59:13
Speaker
Maybe they're both maybe a buff Ravonna. Ravonna is an example of a deck where you would rather buff them after they're on the board. Yeah. want to do it.
01:59:26
Speaker
do approve And you know what you could do You could curve in real nice. You play Ravonna on two. You don't even need to have played anything on one. And then on three, you play Awesome Andy and then Ironheart in another lane.
01:59:40
Speaker
And she has her two targets. And then Awesome Andy will have his two targets. And that's synergy. And um it's not going to count for shit because this card is garbage. Oh my god.
01:59:51
Speaker
Yeah. You're making Rhi like it more? No, I'm trying. Okay, I won't lie. When you said that synergy, it made me think, what's that tenacious D line where he's like, that's something, Kyle, and I've escaped the... okay I thought you would know right offhand. I'm sorry. They're not my comedy music duo, you know.
02:00:16
Speaker
It's mostly just one song. Okay, anyway. Moving on, because I'm not going remember right now.
02:00:22
Speaker
Alright, now we're going to talk about this week's OTA. It's a pretty eventful one. We've hinted at a few of the changes already, but we'll just you know go through them real quick and say what we think about them. i From the Mercury, Cannonball, Negasonic, Gladiator, Fenris Wolf package, two of them have been hit. Fenris Wolf, big hit. two three to 3-4.
02:00:46
Speaker
And Cannonball, 5-8 to 5-6. Thoughts about either of those?
02:00:53
Speaker
Fenris Wolf is a surfer card now, I guess. ya True. Friends with Gladiator, also sometimes a surfer card. Yeah. Killmonger. Yeah, yeah.
02:01:05
Speaker
yeah I like it that it's not so free Fenris Wolf. I want Fenris Wolf to be something you're more deck building around and it's just easy to shang or cannonball. It feels like when you see that Fenris Wolf down now, you're like, oh, man.
02:01:23
Speaker
ah And then the and the Mercury comes down and you're like, they're getting my highest whatever. It's such a big swing. Yeah. them i think it's right to make Fenriswolf cost more.
02:01:35
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um And then Cannonball, just the idea that he he's not so sure to swing the lane, also a good one. saw lot people calling for him to be, like, a random card or a card with less power, and I'm like, that would kill the card. That would kill the card.
02:01:48
Speaker
agree. The ability is so good. Like, you can... i I'm still i'm still like um playing 5-7 Cannonball. Cannonball is not that different from 5-7 Cannonball.
02:01:59
Speaker
and like I think the card's not dead. Although, you know, and I miss good stats. I feel comfortable playing cards with good stats.
02:02:10
Speaker
but It is the like unfortunate thing where it's like Cannonball's paying for Mercury's crimes. Kind of, right? Kind of.
02:02:20
Speaker
He was still strong before Mercury, but mostly only used in Clog after they changed Professor X. um I like Cannonball for Scream things.
02:02:33
Speaker
Better like Arrow for Scream things. You don't even need Mercury for that. I've always i've always like thought it was interesting how like Arrow has like those fantastic stats, but Cannonball just does a better thing.
02:02:48
Speaker
And then Juggernaut... ah and this is the as far This is the first time Juggernaut's changed, right? Certainly the first time since I've played. goes from 3-3 to 4-5. a massive hit. Yeah.
02:03:00
Speaker
um yeah Jug's always been good. I feel like recently has been even better because people are... so There's so much combo stuff happening.
02:03:14
Speaker
You know what mean? Where things are played out in sequence that like the effect of disrupting that is greater in so many more decks, I feel like.
02:03:25
Speaker
maybe there's also... more ah It's less common for boards to be full, so it's easier for Juggernaut to be effective. Yeah. For a while, everyone was filling boards, and now that is has become less common, or not as frequent. You're right.
02:03:43
Speaker
so I think this is a good change. I don and don't think the card's dead, because I think Juggernaut's effect, like Cannonballs, is still very desirable. And it does the thing that other cards don't do.
02:03:57
Speaker
I don't wonder if he couldn't get one more. A 4-6, though. I feel like he could be a... That's what I'm saying. He's a 4-5, and I feel like he could be a 4-6.
02:04:07
Speaker
Putting more power on Jug means it's easier for him to swing a lane, right? like That's what you're trying to do with him. It's now easier for him to solo swing a lane. Yeah, I think he's still totally playable.
02:04:19
Speaker
Babu, you know. Yeah. even without i think he's worth four yeah oh no the effect is worth like a lot but yeah i i kind of can't believe it took this long but also like i'm sad he's he's been one of my favorite cards since since i started playing he was just underplayed for a long time
02:04:41
Speaker
ah right uh a fantastic car goes from four seven to four five
02:04:48
Speaker
You know, now that everybody can get it. Is what the more cynical people would say. They sold all the Fantasticars. Good job. And I'll call it out. Fantasticar was better than I thought it would be, it seems like. You know, obviously it's getting a nerf.
02:05:03
Speaker
Complimented a deck that was strong anyway. Yeah. yeah I think this is fine. I'm actually not in favor of them keeping broken things broken just because somebody paid for them.
02:05:15
Speaker
I just don't think they should release things too strong with the knowledge that they will then do that. Like they should just try to get closer to the right number the first time. I agree, but i also it's they are always going to miss both high and low. It's inevitable.
02:05:31
Speaker
um We can try to ask them to do better, but I don't think they're never going to get it perfect. It's just a matter of scale, like the size that they can playtest with versus what the player base just wish they wanted to get it perfect a little more than they do. You know what I mean? I don't think they're trying all that hard.
02:05:49
Speaker
I think they... Yeah. that yeah I think the... like the the Some people think that like the finances strongly inform like card balance. I don't think that.
02:06:01
Speaker
But I don't think it's zero. I think especially as it relates to the balance of cards as they are released, I think the the financial thing does impact it. I think it's got less impact on the later adjustments that we see.
02:06:17
Speaker
Mad Thinker, 1-1 to 1-2.
02:06:22
Speaker
I mean, why didn't it release like that? Yeah. Still an awkward card. Uh-huh. Nuff Nightmare. a big change. Negative one to positive one. that's a two buff, which is a lot on a three cost. Yeah. is.
02:06:39
Speaker
And the mental part of it, the part that just feels better because you're in the positive side instead of on the negative side. That's the real peace of mind. Yeah, we've talked about that several times.
02:06:51
Speaker
Some of it is perception, but also some of it is just like... you play it there and you're losing the lane already you know like you yeah i don't know i i think i think playing a card with negative power is it's rough stuff even playing a card with like zero power is rough stuff yeah i like that they swung it by two um i think maybe they could go a little higher Yeah, I think so, too. I don't know.
02:07:18
Speaker
I think you'll be sad when if you saw a lot of nightmare running around, to honest. That's the thing. I want to be the nightmare. desire to play myself. I just don't think it needs to be so pitifully insubstantial.
02:07:30
Speaker
The thing is, you don't know. When they hit that nightmare, you don't know what got hit. You don't know if it be true at all. It is curve that don't want to be true. And you will hate that if you run against it a lot.
02:07:42
Speaker
and also will but i want to play it so yeah so you wanted to be in that sweet spot where people still don't like it uh silver surfer first steps uh the opposite problem from fantastic car although of course she's still for sale three four to three five i hardly ever see her so it makes sense I think this makes it a good card.
02:08:08
Speaker
I think this is the difference. I think it has stepped over the line, and now it is good. Are you interested in getting her next month? Yeah.
02:08:18
Speaker
Is it next month I have to wait? suppose so. I mean, next week. Next week? She'll be in Series 4 packs next week. Okay, for him for a minute I was like, wow, that' that's a long time to keep her cards. Next season is what I meant.
02:08:33
Speaker
America Shabbos. card that Ben already thinks is strong and underrated. one two now gives plus 3 instead of plus 2. I guess everything needs to be Black Cat now.
02:08:45
Speaker
She's just a 1-5 without any downside. Just a 1-5. A 1-5 with potential downside. It's not that hard to like throw three or four cards that benefit from this into your deck. It's it's crazy. wild yeah like the only The only time that plus three isn't good enough is on this new one-cost vulture.
02:09:10
Speaker
That's the only place where a plus three is paltry and not worth doing the thing for. Yeah. This is... four yeah she did yeah Now other people are going to... I don't like this change. i think you You brought up Black Cat, rightly. you don know, one five How are you two feeling about Black Cat? I see tons of her.
02:09:30
Speaker
I've also been playing a ton of her. Yes. Also, right? Because it's like, how can you just not play 1-5? I totally agree. But I have to thank her so much for letting Electra have a reason to... We already mentioned it.
02:09:47
Speaker
But right now that people are more reliably playing ones that are worth killing... That's a good point. Feels good. Feels good. I was going to say I think she could go 1-4, but yeah. Electra doesn't do anything to a America Chavez, does she?
02:10:05
Speaker
um I mean, other than, you know, like, but that's that's that's now less than half. Yeah. But right, the fact that America's shove is there makes Electra not worthless, which was always the problem. Too often it was like, why is, why didn't I put a different card here? And now it's like, ah, she's doing something with this one extra energy I had this turn.
02:10:27
Speaker
Yeah, and i don't think we have to keep a card alive just for Electra, but I like the idea that that ones are playable just for stats. Oh, David disagrees. Okay. Ghost Spider goes from 1-2 to 1-3.
02:10:39
Speaker
Also, I think crosses the line into being just a generically good one-cost card. Like, you can put this in decks that are not move decks. Yeah. Okay, do you know that gif of Jessica Walters where is from Arrested Vale where she's like, good for her. That's I feel about this.
02:11:00
Speaker
You're not going to play it? I could do a way better impression of Jessica Walters than I ever could. almost guarantee it. I don't know. and Surprises with one randomly sometime. i son, the juice.
02:11:20
Speaker
Okay. No, I... Back to our conversation earlier that Ben said, like, we do have movers, you know? And they need to stop giving us cards that just move things better and give us cards that do fun things when they move. I i like it crossing the line into...
02:11:45
Speaker
like such a hard line to balance, right? But I like it when cards can be more flexible. and i do too. And not be completely broken in their decks. I don't think this breaks her in move. ah No, no, not at all. But maybe people will do some fun stuff like they used to, like when you would, you know, move your like red skull. That's so old. Red skull is like a good big card.
02:12:09
Speaker
Even if you could move your... that the numbers are too big these days that's that's why I think the ghost spider can't exist as just a cute thing that like you know like I just I I wish I wish this were I wish this were enough to turn back the clock to a freer time for the game you know when you could play more interesting things ah yeah I don't know Maybe. i ah This just makes me wish that they were also giving it to Iron Fist because Iron Fist is a pretty cool card.
02:12:45
Speaker
I was thinking the same thing. Iron Fist is even better for Reach, right? Because Ghost Spider, you have to play her in a place where you yeah can play her. There are a lot of decks where I just play Iron Fist and do not play Ghost Spider.
02:12:58
Speaker
Yeah, and I think he'd be fine at 1-3 also. Okay, that's the OTA. ah On to our side quests. Our homework is high voltage themed. So we're going talk about high voltage a little bit.
02:13:11
Speaker
um Specifically, what we thought about the bands, you know, with like Shong and Enchantress and all them gone. What'd you think?
02:13:23
Speaker
I did notice by the end of High Voltage, of which I was playing... quit as soon as I got a record, but I did do all of those bounties in there.
02:13:36
Speaker
Towards the end, what tech people had, they were clinging to. I was playing against Stardust every single game, which, yeah, to counter all the Zolas. Zolas?
02:13:48
Speaker
All the other stuff running around. Yeah. Jubilees and things. Blink. Yep. lot See? All the fun to be had. They're like, have fun!
02:13:59
Speaker
No Shang-Chi! I mean, one or two Stardust. And then Stardust is like, I'm here to be the fun police. mean, I love Stardust and i I didn't make room for Stardust.
02:14:12
Speaker
i did I still saw tons of tech, including decks that were like almost strictly tech. It's like, really guys, come on. like I did play a little tech, I guess. I played Leech.
02:14:26
Speaker
and Anybody else play Leech? I saw way more Leech in the past week than I've seen ah in the previous year. played Spider-Man. Spider-Man is tech. People don't know.
02:14:41
Speaker
Yeah. I liked it. I saw a lot of people being critical that like, oh, now Tribunal's running everywhere because, you know, there's no Enchantress or like, you know, still Panther Zola everywhere. But like, you yeah, there are ways to answer those. solve of that problem I liked the Shang free experiment.
02:14:58
Speaker
It encouraged me to play cards I don't often play. And it made it different, at least, right? Slightly. The meta changed. Yeah. I still found it to be high voltage, a snapless slog.
02:15:11
Speaker
um Also, it was getting in the way of ah playing Ladder and Conquest. Yeah. i I actually enjoy Marvel Snap. that said Don't tell anybody. um But I like playing Marvel Snap, and I hate that when they...
02:15:28
Speaker
you know when they hide the the new cards in the mode then you have to play the mode and you can't play normal snap because like i'm not i'm not going to spend twice as many hours a day playing marvel snap just to like this means that i don't get to play ladder it means i don't get to play conquest i would like to drop a hundred percent emoji on that statement i also feel that it's like i don't have time Except for when I get 15,000 points. to lion sp Okay.
02:15:58
Speaker
It seems like we're going to see new bands every single time, which I agree is is is nice. It's something that adds freshness to it. I'm also a big fan that Air Walker was available with two-thirds of the missions. I hope that's something that's here to stay and not just like we're going in a cycle and we're going to have another Kid Omega in a month or two.
02:16:16
Speaker
Please. I hope that they've like heard the feedback, like, please, I'm an adult playing your game. Respect my time. Even with the only needing two-thirds, I still wish they rolled over and stuff.
02:16:29
Speaker
it was i had ah I didn't have to. I thought I might have. I wasn't sure how much time I was going to have to play all the high voltage and collect all the things. So I did purchase three mission mission refreshes on days when I did have time to be playing some high voltage.
02:16:44
Speaker
um Also, some of the first few days, i just I wanted to play Marvel Snap, a game that I love to play so badly that like sometimes... of for a couple sessions, I was playing some Marvel Snap that I knew I shouldn't have been playing because I should have been playing High Voltage, but I just wanted to play the fun card game that I love. So like that's part of why i had to spend money on the refreshes and stuff. I just... I did try to have fun with it this time because that was what the secret homework was. And I i i am excited to talk about some of the fun that I did have with it. But like...
02:17:21
Speaker
It just sucks that they kick you out of the game to do this. I don't know. I think that's a really good argument for making it even less demanding on your time. Like I'm fine with having little events that come in and spice things up, but like it is dull that it it makes it that's, that's how I play snap for this next week.
02:17:43
Speaker
You know what it reminds me a little bit of is when I used to um play Hearthstone, I got into playing Arena because in theory, that's like the smart thing to do with your gold that you get.
02:17:54
Speaker
You buy an Arena ticket for 150 gold and then like you'll definitely get at least one pack at the end, but also like maybe some more stuff if you do well. Like the, you know, the plan is like maybe get your win average up to like six and a half. So you you win six and a half games for every three games that you lose and then you get kicked out and stuff. But like...
02:18:13
Speaker
if it Eventually, I just realized that I liked playing Arena better than regular Hearthstone, so I sort of became an Arena main person. But like yeah I don't know. I lost my train of thought.
02:18:24
Speaker
But I just don't feel that way about high voltage. I have to play high voltage to get the card to play regular Snap with. That's that's how I got there. I was like, how was this connected again? Yes, it was because like this is the way to get the cards in the most efficient way, is by grinding it out in high voltage.
02:18:42
Speaker
It's just not as enjoyable as a fun limited mode.
02:18:48
Speaker
OK. Let's transition into the secret homework, which as stated was Make high voltage fun. ah I have said before, I've had some fun trying to optimize the missions because that's how high voltage works. Like over 90% of your volts, well over 90% of your volts are coming from missions, not from grinding out games.
02:19:07
Speaker
um Which means winning doesn't matter unless you have a mission asking you to win. I didn't get that one a single time, but I saw other people getting it. The win three locations. ah Which I think that...
02:19:19
Speaker
that mission is just contrary to high voltage and should go away forever. um The one I got that I hated was spend 100 energy because the way that I made high voltage fun was trying to optimize my, optimize my decks to knock out the missions as fast as possible. And I found it possible almost every single time to get all three of them done in three games or less.
02:19:41
Speaker
That was fun. That was like a little mini challenge. Like, can I play nine, six cost cards in three games? Yeah, I can, you know, it's a, get Mr. Negative up in here and, uh, she Hulk and Sasquatch and Mockingbird. And, you know, it's doable.
02:19:54
Speaker
Um, but the 100 energy, you just can't like there, there's a little bit you can do to optimize that, right? Like you can play, um, Psylocke and Wiccan. Like there's really not a lot you can do to spend energy faster.
02:20:07
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Um,
02:20:10
Speaker
That was the main thing. The other thing I did to make it fun, because just I can't convince my brain to try to win high voltage when winning doesn't fucking matter. and But like the extra twist I put on it was try to win all three lanes. people play like it does, and it's annoying. It drives me crazy.
02:20:28
Speaker
But maybe because that makes the game more fun when you win. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. It does. enough. Fair enough. But I like doing silly things. We're playing high voltage. It's a quick game. like Let's do fun stuff. High voltage, silly things will happen. like yeah i kind of think you don't have to chase them too hard. That's true. In fact, I found that a few too many silly things were happening in my game, so I cut Cersei from my deck.
02:20:55
Speaker
i love that That's the thing. Originally, I had her in there. didn't. I didn't like when all three of my missions were the same thing. Like, technically that's more efficient, right? Like, if all three of my missions are play six cost cards, I had it once or twice.
02:21:14
Speaker
I'm like, okay, cool. So I just beat the third mission and I'll definitely get the other two done. But like, then it wasn't the unique challenge of like, oh, how do I play lots of five costs and also discard a bunch of cards? Like, how do I do both of those things?
02:21:26
Speaker
um I don't know. Like, something about high voltage being so...
02:21:32
Speaker
Stakeless makes it fun and easy to just build quick decks that don't need to be good. that They just need to do their thing. um So I managed to have some fun with it um But I still just... it's my It remains my least favorite mode.
02:21:53
Speaker
but I thought that a fun thing to do would be to build a ah deck that had interesting cards that also probably would win some games.
02:22:06
Speaker
And I played some of my favorite cards, some cards that I don't get to play all the time and ah some cards that I do play all the time. I'll tell you what I played. I played Surge. Yes, I played Surge in high voltage. yeah i I'm telling you, it's dead it's not a bad thing to do. i I know it seems like that can't possibly be good, right? Because you you can literally only, like, Surge two cards in the game. But Surging cards is really good.
02:22:35
Speaker
It's good to make the Tetris pieces ah fit together and stuff, you know? In fact, it's like cheating at Tetris. It's like making a ah block that's only three, you know? trauma know four 4. But anywho, anywho.
02:22:49
Speaker
Surge, Grandmaster, Spider-Man, Red Guardian, Jubilee, Leech, Cosmic Ghost Rider, Blink, Cannonball, Leader, Magneto, Giganto. Yeah.
02:23:00
Speaker
yeah It's a real fun fun time. I had some other cards in there. I swapped a thing or two out here or there. um You know, I think maybe I originally had like two sixes And, um you know, I changed a few things for missions. I only added Cosmic Ghost Rider at the very end. I'm not exactly sure what the previous version of it.
02:23:25
Speaker
But, yeah, I tried to have fun. I took a lot of fun screenshots of fun things happening, wild, wacky stuff, you know. um Grandmaster was a lot of fun because there are a bunch of fun Grandmaster targets. Jubilee, Blink, those are fun Grandmaster targets. Cosmic Ghost Rider, fun Grandmaster target.
02:23:45
Speaker
ah Sometimes it was just a simple little red guardian I was Grandmastering. Leader, great to Grandmaster. If you can set it up so that you know that ah no matter where they're playing, whatever the thing is, yeah you can do like a double leader and you just get two of whatever their big thing was. And that's that's pretty cool. Yeah.
02:24:03
Speaker
Yeah, Blink's a fun card. 5-8's a pretty cool stat line for something that is guaranteed to like get ridiculous value you know just from the ability.
02:24:15
Speaker
And yeah, I really enjoyed starting things off with a Leech. Leech is a really fun turn one play if that's available to you. um Yeah, it it kind of kicked out.
02:24:26
Speaker
I felt like I was winning. more than I was losing with with this deck. And it does disruptive things. Cannonball's cool. Spider-Man's cool. Red Guardian's cool. Leech is cool.
02:24:37
Speaker
Cosmic Ghost Rider's cool. Yeah, like I guess maybe I was being a little sandcastle kicker. i don't know. But yeah, I had the most fun I've ever had ah doing high voltage stuff. And i yeah, it was a fun deck. Fun fun times in in that sort of not quite as good as real snap way.
02:24:58
Speaker
I do miss the snapping.
High Voltage Mode Fun and New Homework
02:25:00
Speaker
Yeah, when you're like, ooh, I'm doing so well, and then you're like, oh, wait, no. Yep, exactly. I was like, yeah, yeah. i'm I'm sure I wiped something good with that leech, but I can't snap about it.
02:25:15
Speaker
I don't know what they need to do about retreating, but like, so I find it so obnoxious when people retreat, but also, I will retreat. If I only have one more six cost to play, I'm retreating as soon as I play it. Yeah. like I don't know what the solution is.
02:25:30
Speaker
You know, my dream for an unranked mode is that a bot takes over if you retreat. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe they need to have bots take over if you retreat in high voltage. that I can still do my big stuff even if my opponent doesn't like their opening hand or whatever. Anyway, free?
02:25:44
Speaker
Okay, so will say I feel like I dogging everyone for doing all the tech, but I immediately clung to all the tech that was left.
02:25:57
Speaker
And thought I was like, okay, What would be really fun for me is to watch people all of their shenanigans and get really high cost cards. And the fun thing that you can do with a ton of energy on one turn that you normally can't do is play Valk followed by a really big card.
02:26:21
Speaker
So that it doesn't matter whatever the fuck you played before, even if you're filling the lane, right? yeah So like, and every time like fucking Sinister London popped up and I got to like have like just I love Sinister London.
02:26:40
Speaker
Yeah, Valkyrie ate good. So what was really fun to pair with her was Agamotto because like ah you just usually you have the power to do it and like it's just like, hey,
02:26:53
Speaker
You know, Valk Agamotto will ah win the lane. um And it doesn't matter what they do. Like, they could have pulled off their fancy surfers. They could have done all of that stuff.
02:27:07
Speaker
um And you just set them back down to three. um So that was a ton of fun. Because Agamotto, one, he's my biggest power card in the deck.
02:27:19
Speaker
um Because I have several ways to get around that. One, because it's great. i can You have the other chance to pull him with the temporal manipulation, right? And then Winds of Watoom is basically like a juggernaut. And especially in high voltage, knocking someone's wong out of the way before they like try to do stuff without it and giving them a minus five, pretty useful. So like that stuff's Agamotto stuff is just fun for me.
02:27:49
Speaker
And then had little cards that worked with Val can also give me big cards. So White Queen. White Queen's fun in high voltage. She's a card I just love. I have the Noir White Queen that I love to play.
02:28:03
Speaker
So um she would give me a big one. I have Leader. At the end of high voltage, I would take it out, actually, was seeing so much Stardust, probably, and replace it. But for a while, it was doing pretty good. Makari...
02:28:15
Speaker
makari cards that I like. um You know, also good for just throwing like a Valk over because I didn't have enough energy. Rogue, there's always something to steal in high voltage that's important. Red Guardian, tech that was not banned.
02:28:34
Speaker
um Silk for Funsies, because the only other Reach I had was Makari. Victoria Hand, because I also have Valentina and Mirage. Once again, cards that I can throw down that will fill in a Valk lane that will give me like bigger cards to play out, because have a bunch of little cards, along with like Hawkeye also, to give me cards. Going with Victoria Hand as well.
02:28:59
Speaker
And this was... this was This was fun. This was fun until the end when I was like, okay, I need to adjust this for all the Stardust. Take out leader.
02:29:10
Speaker
um But hells yeah. Valk? Just Valking?
02:29:18
Speaker
Pretty fun. fun I'm surprised I didn't see more Valk, to be honest, from other I didn't see much of her at all, and I didn't play a single time myself. So good.
02:29:30
Speaker
Despite her being my favorite card in the game. i often do you get a super giant card right after Valk on the I mean, whenever you want. and She's a 4-6 or a 4-7, I think.
02:29:43
Speaker
then, like, Gwen pulled all their stuff. They're so proud of it. and then you're just like, bam. you um Yeah, i I like that you two solve this, have fun with with it by playing cards that you like. That's probably what I should have done, but I just like min-max the game as much as I can and maybe add a small twist like we're trying to get casseroles here, um which I guess is sort of like trying to win, but like i want to win all three lanes even though I never had that mission and I hate that mission and I don't think it should exist.
02:30:15
Speaker
Okay. Rhi, you're signing next week's homework. All right. OK. I am in honor of next week's homework and of of I had just A reason had not seen K-pop Demon Hunters is that I was trying to watch the show Wednesday before I was chatting with my friend who was also very into the show Wednesday. And by the way, the second season of Wednesday is better than the first season. you know a couple episodes in and I agree.
02:30:50
Speaker
It's very fun. And they took out the obnoxious like like there's no Wednesday doesn't have romance, which like, you know, the little like. three triangles we've discussed before. It annoys me. They focus on the mystery and the horror and, oh, how am I forgetting his name who plays, um, Fester? Uncle Fester's like fucking Fred Armisen.
02:31:12
Speaker
Thank you. I knew you would know it. And, um, ah Anyway, so that's been a treat. Also, I saw Superman and like attention span wise for me doing pretty good for TV for this year.
02:31:27
Speaker
But when I finally met with my friend, i'm like, OK, OK. Like, everyone's been telling me to watch it. And, like, um you know, my hair stylist asked me if I'd seen it last week.
02:31:40
Speaker
And then she's like, oh, you haven't seen Because, like, I'm way more obsessed with that than with Wednesday. And I'm just like, fuck it. So I will succumb the global phenomenon that is K-pop Demon Hunters. Next turn, i will finally make the extra credit, the main thing, so we can all talk about it Launch K-pop Demon Hunters.
02:32:00
Speaker
You guys have both already seen it. We're a million times. so i am assigning you separate homework because... oh I must quickly interject.
02:32:11
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I finally did do the extra credit and rewatch it. I watched it last night. Still slaps. Still tons of fun. um And I heard soda pop in Walmart. So it truly is. This is monoculture.
02:32:24
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have heard soda pop. It's so wild. Yeah. Okay, I know. it's it's since I see it everywhere. i've seen it i was like I've seen the people like, like like being this is the end of all cinema because there's a freeze frame of the character's face about to eat a sushi. And then i seen people mocking the people who like picked a freeze frame from a cartoon movie and about it for some reason. It pisses me off the people who are scared of it or think it's only for children or, oh! No, i really i was disappointed to learn that my parents had attempted to watch it and tapped out halfway through. And I was like, oh, wow. What the fuck is wrong with you?
02:33:02
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Oh, it's tough.
02:33:05
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It's a thumbs down from Ben's parents. kept my disappointment to myself. But no.
02:33:12
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Honestly, if you're if you're not charmed halfway through, re you can also turn it off if you want to be lame. like No, I'm sure i will like it. And then finally. Okay. So, but since you've already seen it and you must also watch something. And I i was like, okay, let's do something musical in nature because that's the thing I know and about K-pop demon hunters.
02:33:33
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And something that's short enough
02:33:37
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something that I've already seen. so And you both have Netflix, correct? That is correct. All right. Your assignment then is to watch the Netflix animated series. I believe it's like ah way under a movie length there's just a several songs. It's called We the People. And it's basically like a new schoolhouse rock that was in the brief window we had where things like this could get made because they like Netflix did a deal with like Obama and they're like, let's make a new schoolhouse rock. You know what i mean?
02:34:13
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We're all fucking high on Hamilton optimism and stuff. Right, yeah, this was before the 2025s where Hope died, where we need Leia. Okay, anyway, so like, yeah, so it's really fun and it's musical and it's easy to watch.
02:34:30
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And I like it and I have to watch I'll watch K-pop Demon Hunters. That is our secret homework. I feel like I want to do like a ritual cult-like thing.
02:34:44
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should say a weird thing. Oh, like in home movies, we're at the end of every movie. They're like, and now we pay the price. We should like just start doing a bit. Okay.
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02:36:01
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Oh, word was telekinesis.
02:36:08
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Wait, I want hear more about Bravo Lauren. Oh, okay. I was thinking recently, it's like we get to the end of these and feel... Aw, wasabi. Okay. And me and Ben are both like, are the tired.
02:36:22
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And you have to pull out the energetic and the outro line, you know? And you do it every time. And, you know, you should get full preps.
02:36:35
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Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yes, Wonder Boy is like my favorite and one of the only tenacious D-sons I know and I love it.
02:37:23
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That's telekinesis, Kyle.