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Timestamps:
- 0:00:00 Intro / Our Week in Snap
- 0:15:21 Merlin
- 0:23:16 Nicholas Scratch / Jennifer Kale
- 0:29:10 Morgan le Fay
- 0:37:24 Hellion / Mercury
- 0:45:48 The Ancient One
- 0:50:59 Patch Discussion
- 1:34:50 OTA Discussion
- 1:45:54 Secret Homework: Features, Please!
- 2:03:03 Next Week's Secret Homework
- 2:05:14 Housekeeping / Closing Remarks
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts' Participation
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello and welcome to episode 42 of Snap on This, um Marvel Snap podcast. I'm your host, Lauren Whatevs, here with my other hosts that are always on the show. Haven't missed an episode yet.
00:00:13
Speaker
ah Ben and Rhi, how were your weeks in Snap? And keep it snappy. Ben? Okay, I am introing Ben's. I'm stealing it. I'm introing Ben's week in Snap because although we talked... Wait, what did I say?
00:00:31
Speaker
No, you're good. I just said you're hijacking Ben. Okay, I thought I didn't... I'm like, sometimes I say really wrong words. Okay.
Ben's Deck to Infinite
00:00:39
Speaker
No, no, you're not. No, Ben talked about this deck last week, but he must simply discuss it again because the Heimdall Zorn deck he he ah made last week is what got me to my last minute infinite.
00:00:56
Speaker
Okay. of before the end of the season. Climbed all the way up from 87 into to like the late 90s on the move day location, hot location.
00:01:09
Speaker
And then that's the hardest. Getting from yo-yoing between 95 and 100. Sorry.
00:01:15
Speaker
ah And then afterwards, I was just like, well, it was still a great deck before the location. So I just played it across lane. It's the first time I've ever played a move deck to cross infinite. And it's a fabulous deck. And I would love for Ben to talk more about it Oh, gosh.
00:01:34
Speaker
Well, thanks. I will talk more about it because I got to be honest. I've been playing it, too. I wanted to play some other things. I, you know, I'm out here believing in Morgan Le Fay. I'm sure there's something there. I can't be bothered to find out what it is because I'm too busy playing Vultures and Red Wings and shit.
00:01:50
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. This deck is so much fun. For those who've forgotten, it's Batroc. Batroc, the Leaper, Scream, Kraven, Zorn, Spider-Man, Silk, Hydra Stomper, Vulture, Redwing, Cannonball, Heimdall, and Magneto. He sure is Magneto.
00:02:08
Speaker
You know, um that's that's the little joke that I make in my head all the time. Anywho, I'm having a lot of fun with it. ah i When last I checked its stats, after 50 games played, it had exactly a 70% win rate. 35-15, baby.
00:02:25
Speaker
Shit ton of cubes. I took a screenshot because the tab is very resource intensive on my browser. Yeah. What's that cube rate? It's still above one. 54 net cubes in 50 games. So that's pretty cool.
00:02:42
Speaker
um Feels strong. I've been playing it on ladder for the climb. I'm going to play it in Golden Gauntlet 2 on Saturday. um Hey, you know what? I'm not the only person who's going to be playing it in Golden Gauntlet 2 on Saturday.
Hades 2 Update Predictions
00:02:58
Speaker
That's right. I was reached out to by one devilish place. Maybe you fucking heard of him. um And he's also going to be playing my Zorn deck because everybody loves it because it just ah it owns bones. I don't know what to tell you. It gets results.
00:03:12
Speaker
But other stuff in my weekend snap and snap adjacent things, I can just tell. I can smell it. I can smell it. It's coming any second now. There's going to be a new major update for Hades 2 probably by the end of the month. That's just my feeling. So i was like, ooh, I better get some more 32s up on the surface before things change. um So i've I've got one with Discura, the...
00:03:37
Speaker
Default as aspect of Melinoe version of Deskira that just does Omega moves a little bit faster. It's not the Momus one that everybody fucking loves. Everybody loves the aspect of Momus because, you know, spams the moves. Every version of Momus has been very popular, I think, with people because there's usually something broken about it. But I like boring ass Melinoe Deskira.
00:03:59
Speaker
So that's that's how I do. There's a new season of the Bazaar starting probably like right now today and that I haven't been able to play. I guess Dooley's getting relics. but What does this little robot have to do with relics? I don't know.
00:04:10
Speaker
We're going to find out. We're going to find out this season, I think. um Other than that, I've just been playing that Zorndek. I played one game with Otto Merlin.
00:04:22
Speaker
I'll tell you how that went later. It's really outside of the purview of this segment. Did you draw him? No, no, I didn't. So I played i did the weekend missions. i I made sure to do the weekend missions this weekend, getting back on that horse, played some Esme.
00:04:42
Speaker
um I also got the conquest variant from last season. ah So I'm just I'm. trying to do the the chores that are worth doing.
00:04:54
Speaker
Although, oh my gosh, this month is going to be a little more chore heavy with these modes on modes on modes on modes.
Game Modes and Life Events
00:05:00
Speaker
But, you know, hopefully i can hold my nose for high voltage. Maybe the the new twist on it will make the game more fun for me. But I'm looking forward to Sanctum Showdown.
00:05:10
Speaker
Yeah, it's just ah it's been a good week in Snap and Snap-adjacent things. i I have more fun when I'm winning, and I win more when I'm having fun. And it's just a self-perpetuating and vicious cycle. of ah except It's not vicious. it's all It's all quite positive, I must say.
00:05:25
Speaker
So, yeah, it's been a good week in Snap for me. Good. I'm glad to hear it. I also played your Zorn deck. It did not treat me very well, but it is how I finished the Zorn weekend missions. um ah Might have been a piloting issue. It felt more like a luck issue. like The matchups and the locations were just not friendly.
00:05:42
Speaker
um But, yeah. Anyway. Rhi, you're weak. um Okay. Oh, and you didn't tell me was going to be like, I'm actually going to keep it snappy because we're going to try it for once because it's that's not how you do. Keep it snappy.
00:05:57
Speaker
Yeah, because, you know, because we're trying to keep it shorter because it's your wedding this weekend. We're all excited. Yay, Lauren. We are.
00:06:09
Speaker
did, as I said, i did get the Conquest variant that I grinded out from not even halfway purchase and ah Infinite. And to be honest, I would respect myself more if I hadn't made in place.
00:06:26
Speaker
These arbitrary markers in my self-worth. Because, you know, while it's like, okay, now I can continue to say I always get infinite. It's like I did use time that I should have been present for other people. I'm only admitting this because none of them listen to if they even know, a podcast. Yeah.
00:06:48
Speaker
But finished, I got to Infinite in the very beginning of my Pathfinder Goblin session, which we play over Zoom.
00:07:02
Speaker
And I was just like, I was so close. I had been trying to get it done before I'm just going finish it out. And, you know, and I didn't and it didn't feel super good.
00:07:14
Speaker
It was like, OK, I got it done. But I had been like not paying attention when you have attention issues the beginning. And then after, though, I got done, I was like, OK, I'm fully present.
00:07:29
Speaker
for this campaign and we had like the best session we ever had like one my friends afterward just messaged it all like oh everyone made like the coolest choices this is so fun i mean this is goblins campaign we're all goblins in it the idea so jealous Yeah, I like my my character was the inspiration for a setup where we were all the ah the court of a of the, you know, of the goblin royalty.
00:08:00
Speaker
But a coup happened. So we all had to, like, flee the palace. And like, that's how it begins. It's real. Like, that's fair. away as the witch queen ah you know she's part of my coven because i'm a goblin witch um she was slain and now we're all fleeing and then one character is like a random circus freak we picked up on the way they're just like goblin trash um compared to you know some of us upper crust goblins anyway upper crust goblins So, I know it's fun and my character, I just got feat where my, like, I can instantly grow my hair and turn it into a bludgeoning weapon. And it's, yeah, and I have a familiar, like, toad called Pog um that spend too many feats on.
00:08:45
Speaker
Just, like, building him homes and stuff. Anyway, so the lesson don't me. Don't so Play Snap and grind out stupid video game achievements over being present with your friends for really Goblin Pathfinder sessions. I won't do that again. I don't think that's the moral of your story.
Tabletop RPG Reflections
00:09:09
Speaker
Don't tell group. it It's Slay the Spire for me. That's that's usually what I've got cooking. ah See, you said, though, that it ended up being the best session ever. So maybe that's the recipe. You have to be distracted on Snap for the first few minutes.
00:09:25
Speaker
Okay, but that difference. Because, see, the problem with D&D is if it goes too long in between my turns. like and mean you know That's thing. Or and it's boring.
00:09:36
Speaker
Yeah, and it's just like...
00:09:42
Speaker
just like Oh, we can't, you know. Or a scene that you're not present for that you're not even supposed to know what's happening. Like, you know, like, it's my responsibility as, like, a steward of the narrative to not pay attention during during those conversations.
00:09:57
Speaker
So i'm I'm actually, like, making it more flavorful and, like, immersive. This is realism that I'm cultivating. I truly don't know about this. By screwing off and playing Slay the Spire. What?
00:10:10
Speaker
Oh, um as somebody who is usually the DM, it is very hard to make combat fun and exciting. That is a place I struggle with. Fast. It has to be fast. and My problem with D&D is they never let me... I usually am like, okay, here's the mechanic I'm doing, but here it is described epically by my character. I'm like, I attempt to ability to climb on and, like, stab the dragon set and, like...
00:10:33
Speaker
I haven't, it's like, it would make sense. Like, it's a thing that like, in this world, I feel like could be done. I'm not overreaching. And then, um and it's like, you can have me, you know, roll extra things and fail. And then they'll just like, I mean, be like, like, well, but like, can't really like, you know, do you want to make a basic attack? Really? And i'm like,
00:10:55
Speaker
let me like let me have fun anyway yeah use like the strength of the of the format i don't know i uh i try to keep it i try to so many things to make it faster and snappier more interesting um but i think i think the answer is to keep it more narrative uh which a lot of games do better than dnd this is true yeah you have more in your week is great My hair is my weapon.
00:11:22
Speaker
Yeah, that's very cool. Also, I have something called a twig jack sack. immediately saw, like, what the fuck is that? My witch needs those little, like, twig jack sack bombs. They explode into, like, paraphernalia branches and whatnot. They're little bombs.
00:11:39
Speaker
Twig jack sacks. This was just so fun to say. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm done. Oh, I'm way past. I meant to keep it way shorter than this in my weekend stuff. Oh, you're fine.
00:11:49
Speaker
re knows i love goblins that's why i'm jealous i have uh long been planning an all goblins campaign but i just uh i don't know we got my best friend moved away like two years ago and it's been very hard to get dnd going since anyway my weekend snap um i also pulled off getting the conquest kitty like kind of last second um i don't know how i feel about conquest conquest mode it is very strongly dependent on whether or not i have a deck that i feel like is doing well in conquest um just kind of what ben was saying like the game's more fun when you're winning and it was fun before bullseye ever like came into existence you suck bullseye right yeah that's how i feel from my heart yeah i just think that that effect is stronger for me in conquest mode like i'm just
00:12:39
Speaker
I don't know. I don't want to sit in the same match with with ah an opponent. I'm not, you know, like a bad match. I i don't want to i don't want to do that i want to be trapped in there with them. I feel like the thing I like about Conquest and the reason I feel like I bet i play better in Conquest is because i cant i can beat them later.
00:12:59
Speaker
Like, I need everyone I run into on ladder to, like, know that, like, I was supposed to win that that one, you know? Or whatever. like but like if if you can just like But if you can just retreat retreat when you're supposed to retreat like ah like a logical, rational person, i find that easier to do in Conquest.
00:13:18
Speaker
Because like I can beat them later. I can let them have this this first cube, but like i'm I'm never going to see that latter person again. and I need to throw my all at it. I don't know. It's very silly.
Unique Deck Strategies
00:13:30
Speaker
Yeah.
00:13:31
Speaker
I do like the conquest comeback, and it's something i'm I'm decently good at. I think I start playing better after I've seen two or three games of the opponent's deck, which I mean, I guess it's probably true of everybody, but like for me, I'm better at reacting to knowing what they have than I am at guessing.
00:13:44
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sure it's true for everybody, but probably more so for you than the average player. Yeah, that's what I mean, like the relative strength of those skills. I feel like I'm I have to sacrifice some early cubes and then I can swing it.
00:13:58
Speaker
um I don't know. Anyway, I have have made it up to 80 on this season and I'm using Derek's, well, an old version of Derek's. ah Bast Havoc deck.
00:14:13
Speaker
It's great. I swapped out Rocket Raccoon and Groot for Surge when Surge came out, and that's it's it's been doing excellent. People are very good at underestimating how much you can output with a deck that you know caps out at three cost cards. so sure Ben can attest to that. like yeah Yes, I can.
00:14:33
Speaker
Otherwise, it's wedding central even more than usual over here. getting married and i will i will be married in less than hours. so yeah Got my nails done. They're black and sparkly. Like my dress.
00:14:46
Speaker
hu Getting my haircut with my kid tomorrow. you know it's It's really just like all coming together. We're doing an episode anyway because there's a patch and and I like talking to you guys. So...
00:15:02
Speaker
so Last week's card. Do we have more Zorn things to say or were those covered in? Nope. He's still awesome. And we're still the only podcast that's going to tell you so. Are we?
00:15:13
Speaker
Yes. Yeah, I think mostly I've seen cooler takes on Zorn for sure. OK, new week, new cards. There were supposed to be four. There ended up being six. So there's a lot to talk about.
00:15:28
Speaker
um We'll get into that in a second. Merlin, our season pass card. i Do I read him again? Sure. Two, three at the start of each turn, add an incantation to your hand. The incantations are all one cost skills.
00:15:43
Speaker
We have Omniversal Presence, which replaces the location and gives Merlin two power. Polymorph, which takes the lowest power card there and upgrades it by one cost, does a Cersei to it.
00:15:56
Speaker
And then Once in Future, which shuffles the lowest power card back into your deck. And then next turn you get plus two energy. Did you get him? Well, yeah, we all got him. Have you have you tried Merlin yet?
00:16:07
Speaker
Yes. I have. It's pretty much all I've played since the season began is Merlin and Nicholas Scratch. I got all the new cards that that one could get on the updated game, I guess.
00:16:22
Speaker
yeah I put together a deck called, of course, Pew Pew Magic Missile. Because it's got Agamotto. Because, of course, you're not playing Scratch, to be honest, I think, if you're not playing Agamotto with the current set of cards that are out.
00:16:39
Speaker
And it started as like, I'm like, maybe just kind of more of a good cards deck. Because I really want to play copy. I love copycat. I'm like, she's going in this fucking deck.
00:16:50
Speaker
And then, of course, it kind of turned into a werewolf deck. Because any time you have a lot of little cheap on reveals, you're slamming around. yeah i've heard he's good with Merlin.
00:17:02
Speaker
Yeah. yeah When I build a Merlin deck, that's the avenue I intend to explore.
00:17:08
Speaker
So, and then, you know, but it's fun. It's my kind of deck. It's a surprise deck because Legion still wins a lot of games.
00:17:20
Speaker
Especially when you're playing this wacky deck that nobody knows what's in it, you know? Like, people can maybe expect it if you're seeing your Arshem or something, you know, that regularly runs it.
00:17:31
Speaker
but um But the thing with Merlin is, okay like you need to small cards you want to cycle back into your deck. Because lot of times, because the best usually um you want to get more energy or you're buffing Merlin and changing locations.
00:17:51
Speaker
And so, you know, a little card like Spider-Ham is great. Another thing Spider-Ham does, um if you play him in the same lane as Merlin, he protects your Merlin from a red guardian.
00:18:07
Speaker
um So those little one drips that out are out great to play with Merlin because um he is a valuable target for Red Guardian. The same thing, I have Sam Wilson in this deck because like the shield is still just a really good utility.
00:18:23
Speaker
And especially with Clog out and stuff... um Stuff you can move around and temporarily fill location um is always good. But other things the shield is great for is, once again, you can use Merlin to cycle it for extra energy.
00:18:40
Speaker
It doesn't matter. You didn't draw Sam Wilson. It's another body for images to turn it into another. Agamotto or Beowulf or... man. Once I was playing Surtr and I shamed him.
00:18:55
Speaker
And then I like, such a silly use. And then I turned everything on the last time they're like, ha, they already played their Shang. And then last time I just turned everything into Shang. One.
00:19:05
Speaker
That's so weird. Nagamoto is so fun. You can do the silliest stuff with the images card situationally. Yeah. um So my first Nick Scratch ever that I played was a Oh, okay.
00:19:22
Speaker
I've seen a couple of them get big. But yeah, especially things if you're getting multiple Merlins out and you're just throwing out like a bunch of spells, making your werewolf big,
00:19:38
Speaker
um you know, all of that stuff. um All of that is great. and so And I feel like Rogue has been kind of really felt really good in this meta. Like there's usually some deck she can like, you know, even if it's just discard Smorbius or whatever. um I've been choosing her over like the Jug beat me hard recently. you know it's like And like, I miss my Jug days.
00:20:06
Speaker
But I'm playing Rogue over Red Guardian right now.
00:20:13
Speaker
I got Disco Shang. I couldn't resist. With the roller skates. He's all in that fighting roller skates pose. Discos are really fun.
00:20:25
Speaker
and i like that it's a whole album where they they're all different artists. I think that's cool. i yeah Are they comic book covers? is that I think think they are actually from comics. Yeah. Which maybe that's why they're different. I think that's why they have separate artists and stuff. Yeah. yeah like into bi Studio albums. Oh my gosh. I roll my eyes just out of my skull on those.
00:20:47
Speaker
Oh my goodness. Okay. don't know. Yeah. Well, it depends on the studio. Creative House Pocket. I like those. Pand art? Eh.
00:20:57
Speaker
Oh, last thing about my deck is Kate is bad. I know I was complaining last week I couldn't play But, like, she's another, I mean, right, the arrows are great for bodies.
00:21:10
Speaker
it was arrows that that became Shang's for me. They're great for bodies for images. They're great for pinging around werewolf, if you didn't get that. They're great for sending back into your deck for extra energy from Merlin.
00:21:25
Speaker
have Elias. In my big last slot card, because I do, if I don't get Werewolf and some other stuff, sometimes I feel like I need another big card in the deck, so maybe Elias will go.
00:21:39
Speaker
But Cerebro is like a fucking menace right now for some reason. i mean I mean, it's definitely a presence. You got plus three Right.
00:21:51
Speaker
went down to a game right before the podcast where there is the location where you can't play ones, twos or threes. The name is escaping me. And they'd already kind of filled up their other lane with their two. As soon as I see a sinister rollout. Now I used to think bot and now I'm like,
00:22:07
Speaker
c too And I knew, so they only had one place because I had Winds winds of Watoons and so they'd filled the other location. i knew they were going to have to move their Nightcrawler and play Cerebro there. So I just, and I lost Prime and just played Rogue after it.
00:22:22
Speaker
And I'm like, I hope they were like, how did she fucking know? And I'm like, well, because it was obvious, but it would be, it would be fun. They're like, she's fucking magic. Okay. Anyway.
00:22:33
Speaker
yeah. hu so ah You know, the arrows be good for all sorts of things. so That's what I've been doing with ah with Nick and, you know, some some wizard fun.
00:22:47
Speaker
I wanted to make the deck name a reference to the Prestige, the movie. um But then, you know. i mean, Pew Pew is valid.
00:22:59
Speaker
um I look forward to trying that i haven't played Merlin yet I really wanted to but then I came up with an idea for a clip that uses Morgan and so that's that's how I spent last night but I would like to try would like to try him i and Nicholas Scratch we did not say is a is a one two after you play a skill plus 1 power he's one of the series 4 cards Mm-hmm.
Card Interactions and Meta Analysis
00:23:29
Speaker
I saw several of them. The only Merlin you tried was... You've seen several Nicolas Scratches, really. I think I've seen one. I've beaten every single one of them. but hu But I've also seen Jennifer Kale. But some them got I have not yet seen it. still died to kill longer. Maybe saw one Jennifer Kale.
00:23:46
Speaker
I did, and it felt nothing. like They always get her out and activated her, and and I'm like, oh, I should try and see if it did anything for him, and then I always forgot, because it didn't happen.
00:24:00
Speaker
But yeah, the card I've seen the most of is by by far Merlin. I think maybe I've seen like one Morgan, one Jennifer Kale, three Nicholas scratches at least. I believe exactly three. And I think I took a screenshot every time.
00:24:15
Speaker
um Yeah, I've seen mostly Merlin. Some of them got big. they Like, I will say, like, you know, i i still don't think it's a good card. i don't think I don't think the spell deck is ready for prime time, and I think that Nicholas Scratch basically functions as like a warning sign saying, like, keep out, I don't know, under construction, fucking tetanus nails here, don't play here, kids.
00:24:37
Speaker
Like, you know, they're like, come back later. There'll be a fine spell deck merry-go-round in this location. and it won't give you tetanus probably. um So, yeah, the the spells deck will be fun whenever it's for real, is my feeling. I can see, yeah, I can definitely see replacing a Nicholas Scratch right now in the deck, especially with something another on-reveal kind of thing for Werewolf.
00:25:03
Speaker
It's been more that he's been the new card. Jennifer Kale, honestly, if they're going to keep her energy or her ability the same, the activate gain one energy next turn, I feel like I honestly feel like she should just... Wait, what is she? I thought she was a but she was going to be a 2-3, right? I didn't imagine that. There was a point at which she was a She should be. Honestly, I think they should make her a 3-5 or a 3-something and make her surfer card.
00:25:34
Speaker
That's where I could see playing her if you want to do a surfer abs man or something. Yeah, I like that. I'd play a for Kale. But you're not going to put her in and if she's not also going to be buffed by Surfer, right? Like, it's not worth it at a two. Like, she needs to be, like, a three with some power. I think she might um be okay in Surfer because she lets you play two threes on five.
00:25:58
Speaker
Yeah. That's true. Five can be an option. I'm more excited about the seven on six for the Surfer and Abs. That's fair. Um... yeah i mean i don I mean, either one. It's just that, like, Hope does both of those sometimes in the same game. Yeah. Like, Hope is like, yeah, play two threes on five and play your Absorbing Man and Surfer on on six.
00:26:20
Speaker
Well, and in Surfer, you don't want to play her on three or four. So it's like, and ah playing her on five is useless because she's an activate. So you have to draw her on curve, so... The more I thought about her, because I did my i did my like Twitter rankings after I did the podcast rankings, that's usually how I do it, and i like I still put her low, but I was like, maybe I'm underestimating her because there is unique stuff that she can do versus Psylocke or a Luna, to ball is which is that you can play her on two, and then you can play a three that isn't your ramp three, right? Otherwise, Luna does everything she does. Yeah.
00:26:58
Speaker
So it's like, OK, so what is that like? Is it Jennifer Kale into Storm into Legion? Like that doesn't do a lot anymore. and would still lock the game out.
00:27:11
Speaker
um But a turn later. Are you winning? Like, yeah, are you ahead there? Probably not. Is spending too energy on Jennifer Kale? Are you? I think you've fallen behind. Right. so
00:27:24
Speaker
Yeah, I just I won't be surprised if somebody comes up with uses for her, but mostly I think she still just seems bad. It's like nobody. yeah There are yeah very few jobs that she's the best at. I've seen people trying to put her in like She-Hulk decks because maybe that lets you that lets you pass six energy on turn five.
00:27:46
Speaker
Sounds like a ah thing, right? Yeah, but I don't know. Still, you've got Luna Snow. You've just got better tools for energy generation. You're just fucking curve if you're her. 2-2 wrong for her.
00:28:00
Speaker
i agree. yeah think she could be a 1-2 or a 2-3 and it would be just fine. Or a 3-5. You know, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. like why why does Why does she have to have bad stats on top of like an inherently like undesirable like ability?
00:28:19
Speaker
Her mechanical identity is like already bad. Why do you have to make her a It's just rude. and Insult to injury. i get like if she can do every if she can enable every every combo that Luna can... or other way around Luna can enable almost every combo that Jennifer Kale can, but it's a different drawback. Instead of giving your opponent one energy, you're dealing with an activate ability. I kind of get that, but she did she just does not have enough juice to be worth it.
00:28:48
Speaker
But Luna is more exciting in every way. Just like better better stats, more interesting like gameplay stuff, like just a cooler card. i mean i right I understand Series 4 is supposed to be like bad or boring or whatever, but like yeah come on.
00:29:05
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This card has no reason for being, as far as I can tell. Okay. yeah I think she'll get buffed. Morgan Le Fay, 4-7. ah This is our Series 5 card. On reveal, return all your discarded and destroyed cards to hand with plus 3 power.
00:29:21
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Did you get her? Did you play her? got her, yes. Played her, no. Same. I realized my strength because we had talked about like, hey, are we going to have to pick and choose cards coming out?
00:29:32
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And I started thinking and I realized like my whole strategy is just to be collection complete as efficiently and quickly as possible. So I'm always just going to open the lower cost packs.
00:29:45
Speaker
So I guess therefore, I guess my new strategy as opposed to spotlight planning that I used to do is just like h get cards and they come out and... You know, from the lower snap packs and just hope that I can get them fast enough. I don't know. That's my strategy so far, too, but I don't know what I'm going to do when it gets too tight.
00:30:07
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Also, I think explained this off of the air, but ah for for the listeners, I skipped ah Nicholas Scratch and Jennifer Kale.
00:30:18
Speaker
I do not have those cards and I hopefully will not for a while. I think that's that's like a a commitment, though, because the Series 4 packs are three seasons long. so It's true. I'll probably open them accidentally, but I was able to get Hellion and Mercury without chancing it.
00:30:36
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ah Yeah. So that's cool. i I did play Morgan. I put her into a deck where I'm playing Bullseye Magic Prodigy. So I have two Bullseyes.
00:30:50
Speaker
And then on turn six, I'm playing Morgan and Grandmaster. So a bullseye discard my handful of ones. Morgan, bring them back. Prodigy, discard my handful of ones.
00:31:03
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Grandmaster, bring them back. did a total of 20 Affliction to the enemy, and added 30 buff to my hand, and then on turn six, or sorry, turn seven, I just played a bunch of very high power ones.
00:31:18
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It was very cool clip. I got it about four or five times in the span of two hours. So it's not real. Yeah. Lauren, I at least can appreciate that you're hurting me with Bullseye in a different way than I've been hurt before.
00:31:34
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I was kind laughing to myself when were talking about your Bullseye. Hey, I do not like Bullseye either. I think he is way too strong. But ah in fact, one of the clips that I had where like I got the combo, I lost because the enemy Bullseye just popped off even better than I did. um I think it was a... i think If I'm remembering correctly, it was one that had cloning vats, and they had like four collectors on the board. It was it was lovely, honestly.
00:32:02
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um Anyway, it always cracks me up. I post the clips. It's it's on Twitter and Blue Sky, and people are always like, sick cook, and I can't wait to play this deck. and I'm like, I always, when I post the deck image, I'm like, do not play this deck.
00:32:17
Speaker
like Unless you're looking to do a clip yourself, this is not a real deck. You cannot climb with this. like I've had like maybe two of my... clip hunting decks ever that like actually have a hit rate high enough to have a positive cube rate.
00:32:29
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um This was not one of them, not even close, but very cool card. Her animation is fun. She does this little spinny thing. And then your cards like trickle back into your hand with sparks of purple magic.
00:32:42
Speaker
um I think the plus three is good. purple match her four seven is hard um when i was first planning this out i was trying to think of a way to use killmonger and bullseye but it's just like too expensive to be playing the ones twice you know
Exploring New Cards' Potential
00:32:56
Speaker
to be paying for them twice so i do think discard's the way to do it but like how do you do that i don't know how you do that without i think maybe it's bullseye like bullseye needed another synergy you know um uh
00:33:13
Speaker
Because you if you do MODOK, you're going risk blowing up your Morgan Le Fay. Like, I've been hamming so many MODOKs. It's been so choice. That's almost snap. word hair Yeah, I, I, I would snap.
00:33:29
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i People snap against me when they ham my MODOKs in my experience. And they are correct to do so. Most of the Morgans I've played against are doing Corvus things.
00:33:42
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And I haven't been impressed. Because if you're doing Corvus things, you're usually trying to discard stuff. And Morgan undiscards them. So it's like, she's just a little awkward. I'm not sure. But there's something with, like, first Ghost Rider there, right? Where you're discarding, like, an Iron Man with the first Ghost Rider. Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:05
Speaker
One late, really late at night on a whim, i put together there's an old deck called Small Hella that I used to like before, like in one of the iterations of before Hella ever was a menace.
00:34:17
Speaker
And um i was kind of with like I just late night, like rebuilt this bizarre, like Silver Samurai. ah Hell in deck, it was fun.
00:34:32
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Yeah, and I i think... That was fun. This might be what you're getting at, is like, a lot of times combo cards, what what ends up being their sweet spot is just a small package, or like a moderate. You know, we're not going all in on Morgan Le Fay. She's not our key piece.
00:34:48
Speaker
She is just one piece of our strategy. She's one plan. She's worth... You know, if she if she only revives two cards, she's 413. Yeah, with yeah to pay for those cards again somehow it's true like that's what made hella interesting for me was not going all in was the deck challenge of building around like okay just cards that i want to bring back that are different costs but i'm not all in on hella i'm not trying to like magic shit or invis woman or anything i also have like ravona but then it was
00:35:21
Speaker
I think I already took it apart, but now I miss it. Okay, anyway. so Next time your late night Rhi is stuck, I guess you can make another mini Hella deck.
00:35:32
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I hope to have more Morgan Le Fay thoughts in the future once I've found time to play her. Yeah, we can touch on that again. I have to... like Last week, i' I meant to mention, like I don't know, compare this card Moon Girl. Just...
00:35:48
Speaker
just I don't know, like the the quality of the cards that you're getting in your hand is like guaranteed to be good. And I don't know. I, the stats, she's, yeah, I don't know.
00:36:00
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I have to believe that Morgan Le Fay, there's something to do with her. That's, that's what I think. I don't know. Yeah. I'll get there. I think so. She's the mysterious, you know, that's just kind of a rule beckoning you in the night. Like surely, surely there are great things for you ahead with me. And you're like, yes. Yes.
00:36:18
Speaker
and believe that She's kind of weird because like previously I thought i expected Killmonger to be best. Or she's beard. The card itself, not the character. i now I think Bullseye is probably the best plan, not because of my combo deck, just like because he saves you the energy of playing the cards for Killmonger twice.
00:36:39
Speaker
i But if you're playing Bullseye, she's probably not the best way to play Bullseye. so like ah Do you think there's like some sort of mid-rangey discard thing that like you know maybe you Blade and Colleen and First Ghost Rider are the things that are like feeding you the the stuff?
00:36:58
Speaker
maybe Maybe we're not actually doing Bullseye stuff, but i mean maybe we're also doing Bullseye stuff. you know Maybe it's like all the flavors. I don't know. I feel there's got to be something there. don't know.
00:37:10
Speaker
I just like this week's, you know, snap on this. Hey, bullseye is good. yeah Well, I know the route we take there is very, like... but big yeah But fuck that guy.
00:37:22
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um For people who did not update, because there was the patch on Tuesday, for people who did not update, their series four packs contained Hellion and Mercury. Surprise!
00:37:33
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um As Ben mentioned, he he collected those before updating his game. um If you stayed... unupdated if you stayed on the previous version of the game you can play hellion and mercury right now if you did update after collecting them you can't put them into a deck and start a game um and i believe you also can't split them right now just you know they're but they not active in the current patch but they said that they would be second dinner said they would be making them available to all players as soon as possible and i believe said that they'll try to be in time for the golden gauntlet um
00:38:08
Speaker
Now I'm questioning if that was public or not. But, you know, ah the the Golden Gauntlet will be here in time. So, ah you know, Saturday, Sunday. Are you participating in Golden Gauntlet too, Rhi? No.
00:38:20
Speaker
Okay. I'll participate in one of them. I'd like to do it again, but it's just like it's too soon for me to devote the entire day. I would like to do It just seems like a cool community thing, even if I'm not especially competitive. But not doing it on my wedding weekend.
00:38:35
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um No. Yeah. okay So Ben, you didn't you haven't had a chance to play Hellion or Mercury yet. I don't know that we'll know. We don't need to cover them extensively. um Except for to say that Hellion, boo, because Cannonball. Why would you not ever play, like, same stats, but it's a surprise card as opposed to being, like, you know, telegraphed like Hellion is. I think Hellion's good.
00:39:04
Speaker
really? Maybe we should do a quick, like, ranking on them. Like, as if as if we knew they were going to be included this season. Hellion, 5-8, on reveal, next turn you can move cards to this location. It's a lopsided cloak.
00:39:17
Speaker
And you don't have to. You don't have to move anything. No, you do not. That is the thing. I like this card a lot. I didn't like it at first when I read it. I was like, I don't know. This is awfully expensive for... for like We have cloak at home, you know?
00:39:33
Speaker
But um the thing is, the asymmetricality and like just the... the The fact that you don't have to move the cards. Like, are are you setting up for a huge Heimdall slide, or are you not setting up for a huge Heimdall slide? Are we maybe just playing Magneto on that lane or something? Like, the this is this is going to...
00:39:55
Speaker
This is going to make chumps of so many opponents, this card. So many people are going to feel like chumps when they lose to Hellion. It also gives reach, which I know is something that you like, Rhi. Maybe not on a five-cost card, but... No, because you can only move him to this location, so it has to be a location you can play Hellion.
00:40:14
Speaker
Yeah, we play him on, like, Death's Domain or Altar of Death, something like that. But no, Sanctum Supreme! That's a big body to lose. There's magic, Reigns! Correct. Okay. Um... Anyway, yeah, i think I think the best play with him is you put him on a lane and then you don't move anything there and your opponent just assumes you're going to be taking that lane. That's what you're going to do for five power?
00:40:32
Speaker
That's what you're going to for the same cost the same energy? Could I sell you on a card that is a complete surprise and will turn your opponent's highest power card into a rock?
00:40:45
Speaker
Also, just kidding. I love Cannonball, and Cannonball is great at Cannonball's job, it's just that Hellion does a different thing. I love Cannonball too, more than this card, but Cannonball's a turn six play.
00:41:00
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Yeah, not always. I'm playing Cannonball on turn five a lot in my current Zorn deck, and I will say, Hellion is not about to come take Cannonball's spot in that deck. That's what I was saying. Cannonball's doing what Cannonball's supposed to be doing there.
00:41:13
Speaker
all right It's the Lady Deathstrike problem. When you're like, Lady Deathstrike's fun. I want to play her. But how many spots do you have for like a five-ish cost card that you wouldn't rather play? Like a four or another six or a different five? like You can't just throw them in the deck.
00:41:30
Speaker
It doesn't matter if they have different jobs. Sometimes you the slot just has a studlier looking card. They have very different jobs, though. I think Hellion's going to find work. That's what I think.
00:41:42
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Alright, give him a rating, Reed, on a four-point scale. Oh, um, two. Okay, Ben? I'll give him a three. I'd give him a three, too. A three also.
00:41:54
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ah Mercury, I'm gonna read off... Yeah, I'm gonna read off Mercury, and then I have to deal with my dog, so one of you will take it away. Mercury, two-two. You can move this once.
00:42:05
Speaker
Ongoing enemy cards here can't move. Oh, I love this. Yeah. I love this so much because, like, ah you know I always love, like, Spectrum Counter decks.
00:42:20
Speaker
Like, just, like, let me just counter people all day and then, like, buff it at the end. um And then um so many people are playing move right now.
00:42:32
Speaker
And it's so frustrating to me when I'm playing someone doing move bounce with the torch and stuff and dagger. And it's like, and if I don't have... you know, the right things. It's just those cards get so giant. And I would just love to play Mercury down and ruin all these movers and days.
00:42:52
Speaker
So the way I look at it, there's like really one card to compare this to. like There's one card you need to think about, and that's Jeff the Babyland Shark. ah Mercury is new Jeff, in my opinion.
00:43:05
Speaker
um It's a self-moving two-cost that has... An absolutely game-winning sometimes other ability like on it.
00:43:16
Speaker
And like we love self-moving cards, all of them, every time, without exception. They're all always good. a very strong ability. um yeah So yeah, i I think this card is a certified winner. i'll I could see it maybe only being three, but I think if we're real here, it's ah's a four-point out of four-point card.
00:43:41
Speaker
I'm not looking forward to playing against it. Holy shit. This card is going to make me pull hair out. I respect it. It's very, very cool. This card makes me want to play Jeff more because, you know, nothing stops a baby. yeah I play them together. Doxy doxy.
00:43:59
Speaker
But yeah, I agree with Ben, actually. a This for this is a four. It's such an easy thing to throw in. it covers your reach that I always like to have in a deck, as well as being a counter, a huge counter to a deck that you could still play on five or six and ruin someone's turn if you have Pryo, right? You know, I love it.
00:44:20
Speaker
What about you, Ron? You know what's cheaper than Hellion? Mercury and Cloak on the same turn. Yeah. I mean, you're the one that was all high on Hellion. I'm the one that was all like, better play other cards. I'm just saying like, that's fun little two card combo, you know, like locking one of their lanes where their desirable movables would be. And, you know, like, yeah, and I'm just, I'm just saying just because Hellion's good at Hellion's job doesn't mean the cloak isn't still good at cloak's job.
00:44:49
Speaker
I think Mercury's a four. She is one of the cards I've been most excited for um because she's a sort of a lockdown card, and she has the synergy with Cannonball, which is beautiful.
00:45:05
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That's a two-card combo right there. Oh, listen to you guys. All you're doing is being like more like Cannonball is awesome. Cannonball is awesome. Look these cards that would rather play in this battle. I hate who's framing as Hellion versus Cannonball. A bizarre matchup that like no promoter set up. like that That's not the play that's on the notice this though,
00:45:27
Speaker
When we think about deck building, we think about it differently because you're always confused by cards that I compare in my head for decks. I find that interesting. Uh, anyway. Like, because it's like where I slot cards is being similar, it's like totally different.
00:45:42
Speaker
Yeah, I love that. I love that they're, you know, thinking about decks and cards in different ways. Uh, do-do-do. i don't Are we talking about next week's card? Is that a thing we're doing? Just brief thoughts on it?
00:45:53
Speaker
saw in the same store. put it in the show notes. We don't have to. It's wacky. I think we talked about it last week. Yeah, we did. We can skip it. I have not formed any smarter thoughts about it.
00:46:07
Speaker
Yeah. Still haven't figured out how to do this talking about cards thing, even though all the other podcasts and YouTubers do it. And we have been doing it for a long time ourselves. I don't think there's ever been a problem with any of the ways we've approached it.
00:46:21
Speaker
i think it's all fine. yeah The Dow Mandala, if you look at the art for the card she generates, it looks like she's throwing a giant magic yo-yo at you, and that really honestly makes me... This is what I see in a card that makes me want to play a card. so like Honestly, because of that, we'll probably play some decent ancient cards.
00:46:45
Speaker
My proposal is that we do talk about next week's card, but just like very briefly, not a rating, just like, are you excited or whatever? First, have thoughts.
00:46:56
Speaker
um first i have cheha Success. Well, I guess I should read her off. The Ancient One, three five On reveal, add Daomondala to your hand. Daomondala is a three-cost skill with on reveal, copy the text of one of your ongoing cards here onto your other characters here.
00:47:13
Speaker
I assume it overwrites their text. That's how copying works everywhere else in the game. um I have two thoughts. One, when I was writing up my Twitter rankings, I noticed that the Ancient One's initials are Dao, and I just, you know, that's cool.
00:47:24
Speaker
Um... Second, i I don't know. I'm excited for her just because I think that she opens up some quirky stuff. Like having three of the same ongoing card is not something that you can do very easily.
00:47:36
Speaker
No. Ms. Marvel. i I tried to build with Ms. Marvel recently, honestly, because in the last gauntlet, someone was playing Ms. Marvel and I beat them. But I'm like, I want to play with her again.
00:47:49
Speaker
And ah it was rough. It's a rough world for Ms. Marvel out there, to be honest. So maybe this will be the like weird combo trick with her, right? Yeah. Maybe.
00:48:01
Speaker
I still can only think of this as a Surfer card because it's a 3-5, right? Yeah, fair enough. You could put Wong in there, Captain Carter. I want to have three Captain Carters on a lane even if only the first two are getting full. That's so overkill.
00:48:16
Speaker
I know, but you don't have to do anything after that. You got three Captain Carters on the lane. just The problem is... Surfer as the fourth card and it's fine. Okay, I want to enter because this is a problem I found with Carter is she is an overkill card.
00:48:31
Speaker
The problem with Carter is like a lot of times my defense against Shang is to be like they have to also beat with more than just the Shang. You know what i mean That saves me a lot of times is that I've planned that like...
00:48:47
Speaker
I'm going to win anyway. And Captain Carter makes it so that you lose that lane for sure if they shang it because all those cards are too big. And they're usually so much bigger than you actually needed to be to win the lane. I found that I get a lot more mileage out of Peggy when I'm not too greedy about it.
00:49:06
Speaker
Very often I will try to like keep everything in the lane under the shang range, which means that Captain Carter herself can't get all that big. Because, like, you know, sometimes those back row lads, they're a little too burly for their own good.
00:49:20
Speaker
You know, you you don't want ah you don't want your Gwenpool in the back row to be, like, a 412 or something. Because that's, ah I mean, sometimes you do. Sometimes sometimes you know they don't they don't have Shong. You're just going to, you know...
00:49:33
Speaker
yeah run roughshod over their whole situation. But yeah, I don't know. I find that like when I'm playing Peggy, I'm winning that game more often than not.
00:49:45
Speaker
It's the thing. She's very good. That's true. At least in Surfer, she is nasty. Mm hmm. Also, I find that she's a very cool turn three play. I know that like it doesn't seem like, oh no, she's going to be on the board for so long to be Red Guardian or whatever, or Enchantress, or who cares? Just get it on the board. You've got other things to do with later turns. Just play that Peggy right away. That's my advice.
00:50:09
Speaker
Oh, that's a fair point. Unrelated to the Ancient One, that's just a Peggy tip from a person who's been playing a lot of Surfer these days. been playing her, but that is a good point. There's so many cards, like I said, that it's like hard to play in curve that you want to hold in hand, and it's really amazing that you're like, yeah, just put her out.
00:50:28
Speaker
It's always a good good thing on a card if you can play it on curve, ah but don't have to play it on curve, right? The cool thing about the Ancient One is that you don't have to know what you're going to do with your Dao Mandala just right away. like 3-5.
00:50:41
Speaker
you like in three five This is still not my kind of card. I don't think I should get this card. I'm i'm still like going back and forth. It's like, am I going to acquire this or is this going to be that big first skip on the Series 5?
00:50:54
Speaker
Do I start saying no to new cards? i don't know. We'll see. So the patch we had this week, just a few things to know about it. One is they announced, um don't know if this is related to the patch, but it's something that they announced is that the Samsung store version of this snap is going to be removed.
00:51:12
Speaker
So if you're playing through the Samsung store, you have to switch to Google play. Um, but it's not like you're going to lose your account or anything like that. And then they said, if you have a guest account, please link it. That's one that's not attached to an Apple or Google account.
00:51:26
Speaker
Please link it to one before June 9th. Apparently June 10th is when they are switching to, don't know, this is part of them switching over to all the self-publishing. They can get over themselves.
00:51:39
Speaker
And part of that is, you know, they may have issues logging in after that. So... you're listening to this and you haven't linked to your account, do it now. um So you don't have to deal with support later.
00:51:51
Speaker
ah The change that makes us that when you get a variant, you also automatically get the base card that is live and applied retroactively. then, oh they removed the banish this text from skill cards, but they all still do that. It's just part of us of being a skill is they banish themselves. It's something you can see if you open up the tooltip.
00:52:12
Speaker
Yeah. I think it makes it a little less confusing on deep space, I guess. Yeah. There's that and also like Iron Lad copying a skill. He doesn't banish himself.
00:52:24
Speaker
Oh. yeah Because it's not part of the text. It's part of the card type. Yeah. Copycat can steal an Agamotto spell.
00:52:36
Speaker
It could Winds of Watum and it wouldn't disappear. And then stays on the board. Yeah. And I think if you zero a skill, I think it would still disappear, which I guess goes to the D. I think so. Yeah, that that stands to reason. OK.
00:52:50
Speaker
We're going to talk about data mines. Mostly we're going to talk about new cards. But first up, I was noticed um in the bundles that were data mined that next season, the Fantastic Four First Steps, it looks like Fantasticar, Series 4 card, is going to be tied to the Super Premium Season Pass.
00:53:07
Speaker
which a separate $10 on top of the regular season pass. um So far, that's been... I think it started in January, and so far, it's just been variants and borders that you get with that extra $10. And like an extra 10 levels on the season pass track, I think.
00:53:22
Speaker
It's not worth It's one of the worst purchases in the game. It hasn't been worth it. Yeah, and and and you know, if it's cosmetics only, I'm okay with them monetizing that, but ah maybe it hasn't been monetizing very well, because...
00:53:35
Speaker
they're goingnna They're putting
Series 4 Cards and Accessibility Concerns
00:53:37
Speaker
cards in there. And Fantasticar is not an especially... I don't remember it being an especially strong card. It's not. It's 100% irrelevant. But it won't always Fantasticar in there.
00:53:50
Speaker
They missed out by being greedy. I think if it was only five bucks and it was like three variants, they would have gotten both me and Lauren. Like, definitely. I feel like, you know what i mean? Like, and instead they're like, it's 10 bucks. It's like one variant and like, who cares about whatever else is.
00:54:07
Speaker
don't know. The super premium pass used to be $5. It did.
00:54:13
Speaker
But then it wasn't worth it. There were no very... No, it was terrible. It's never been worth it at all. Yeah. It's always been one of the worst purchases in the game. But... They've established Series 4 cards are worth half as much as a Series 5 card.
00:54:28
Speaker
I think it's good for them to make the second season pass card a Series 4, but I think it should have... I think it should be $5. Yeah. um yeah And I just... I don't like the the precedent at all. And, like, to...
00:54:42
Speaker
Like at some point there's going like the, the bonus card is going to be better than the season pass card. And you're going to feel like you didn't get the must play card of the month when you got the season pass and like, Oh, you didn't pay for the $20 version. And that makes the game really uninviting to like new players. Like I, I started playing Marvel snap at global launch and I loved it. And like within 72 hours, I was like, hell yeah, I can't wait to give you $10.
00:55:08
Speaker
Give me this miles morale is guy. I mean, I that that I was familiar with the character. i I don't want to make it sound like this was the first I'd heard of my good friend Miles Morales. But yeah, like i'm I'm just saying, like, I would have had a very different reaction if they were like, actually, to really play Marvel's net properly, you got to give us $20 every month.
00:55:27
Speaker
I would have said no, thanks. And I would not be here on this podcast right now. Uh, cause like i I, fell in love with Marvel snap because it was affordable and I could have all of the cards for $10 a month.
00:55:40
Speaker
And like, that's, that's always been a huge part of the appeal for me. And once you start saying you can't have all the cards unless you give us $20 a month, I start saying it's time for me to hit the road. You know, like that's, this is a bad change.
00:55:55
Speaker
I think it, uh, is, uh, it It doesn't bode well for the future. it's ah's It's take the money and run move. That's what I think. I think it's a way to extract more value from the customers the you've managed to hold on to the people who will put up with, you know, whatever you want to do in the in the service of stacking paper to the ceiling.
00:56:20
Speaker
um But it's not, this is not a growth move. This is not like ah we want our game to live forever kind of move. This is ah we want to make as much money as we can in the next two years and leave the whole thing a smoldering wreck behind us move.
00:56:35
Speaker
That's what I think.
00:56:40
Speaker
I think it's got' a really good take. I'm kind of the same. I'm in the same place where I i was spending $10 on the game. It was Silver Surfer, but I was spending $10 on the game very quickly because they won me over. And then when I saw like, oh, it's only, you know, $10 for everything that the season pass comes with, including a card. could be my home forever. i will live here. I'm in Right.
00:57:00
Speaker
um And I have been in the entire time. ah What, two and a half years, something like that? But... Yeah, it's way uninviting and and unintimating for a player who's more casual or more new.
00:57:15
Speaker
ah
00:57:18
Speaker
I always compare it to an MMO subscription is how I think of it. And $20 is more by considerable amount than my FF14 subscription, which I think is $12 a month because I buy a year at a time because that's how into that game I am And yeah, so like, and it's like, do you know how much of a big, like,
00:57:43
Speaker
FF14, like a card game is a mini game in this game. And no, it's not, obviously not as detailed as Snap, but it's one of a million other games and systems. Like if there's one game that was going to take up all my time, an MMO could do it.
00:57:56
Speaker
And for less than like, you know, so yeah, it's, it's too much for the subscription to enjoy the game in a more complete way, which is, you know, I'm willing to subscribe to a game, but I'm, I'm not, you know,
00:58:12
Speaker
It's the difference, right, between pay-to-win games and games that just monetize cosmetics and stuff like that. Also, Final Fantasy, that game works, right? Like, Marvel Snap doesn't work $20 a month good.
00:58:24
Speaker
Sorry, sorry, second dinner. Maybe, like, have a game that works before you start charging $20 a month for it. yeah I don't know. Just a thought. Yikes. Yep.
00:58:35
Speaker
I think this is a place where I will be voting with my wallet. And i you know the fact that it's a Series 4 card means that I can get it for 2,000 tokens next season. Yeah, that's what I do. As long as they stick with that precedent. the Right, but also like you said, once once it's a Series 5 card, or what if it's a card that is very important? Like, are they going to get me to impulse spend $10? Yeah.
00:58:57
Speaker
i Maybe, or maybe that'll just make me feel bad if I feel like I have to spend that extra 10 on top of what I'm already spending. The first time it's a card I want, then I'll be mad.
00:59:10
Speaker
Yeah, well, there's going to be another one that we look at. And we'll see if that sounds like one that you want. So, Galactus, first steps. This is I believe, August. Yes, August, because July is Fantastic Four First Steps.
00:59:25
Speaker
August is Heralds of Galactus season. Seems like. Galactus First Steps is the season pass. He's a 610. And the text is my Herald is the next card I see you play.
00:59:40
Speaker
End of turn, plus three power if you're winning my Herald's location. Interesting that it's written in first person.
00:59:49
Speaker
um i did see like a screenshot of somebody who i don't i don't know if they're hacking or or whatever it's data mining tools they had this like in-game and they showed the tooltip and it basically just says like for him to see you play it he either has to be on the board or in your hand okay so soon as you draw him the next card you play is your herald Yes.
01:00:12
Speaker
Or if he somehow gets summoned directly to your board, like jubilee. And I assume this is it lopsided information that your opponent doesn't have? I think the plus three power growing, I think that would be seen. Yeah, once it starts red hulking out, your opponent will know what's going on, I think.
01:00:29
Speaker
I assume there will be some sort of VFX indicator of the card that is causing the plus three power to happen. Like something's going blow or whatever. That wouldn't surprise me either if you see a face of Galactus when you play the Herald.
01:00:44
Speaker
Yeah, it sounds like it'll cool AI, but I'm still more into his daughter, to be honest with you. good For abilities. I mean, he's basically just a very high-powered six, right? like He joins the likes of a Red Hulk and a Gore, where it's just a really big card you can play.
01:01:03
Speaker
Or block in Arja. love hamming a Gore. ah say When you play ham again, and you just get the joy of like taking out people's... Gores and stuff.
01:01:14
Speaker
Yeah, I just don't like this card because it's it's so good if you get it early and then, you know, it's Garbo if you draw it late. and i If your opponent draws it early, I think is like that that's that's the situation I'm going to be in because I'm not playing this. and Why would I play this card?
01:01:29
Speaker
But, like, man, I'm going to be frustrated when my opponent has it, like, from the beginning of the game. You could have it turn one. Yeah. Yep. i Yeah, and we have other cards that like you're playing a little competitive minigame, right? Like Nebula or Warlock. Yeah, you're Iron Patriots and that sort of thing.
01:01:50
Speaker
But they're not it's not like this where you're just building up a 620 or more to drop on the last turn.
01:02:01
Speaker
Yeah. I know people will like this card. It's a very, in some ways it might just be a good cards card. Cause like, yeah, just a tempo card and it doesn't have any specific synergy except play tempo and win lanes. Like, yeah,
01:02:19
Speaker
But yeah, and I don't know how interested I am in a six. I do know. Not very interested. They're always looking for that deck that rewards Pryo without being op without or being like obnoxious, without being leader arrow, you know, kind of stuff.
01:02:34
Speaker
Yeah. Or a life that destroys cards. Yeah. I think Pryo is already so strong, like Juggernaut and Negasonic Teenage Warhead are both very strong Pryo cards. Also, are there situations where maybe you want to like lose Pryo and just win the Herald lane every turn, and then you can't get shonged when you drop your gigantic Galactus on six? Yeah, absolutely. This is another thing you're forgetting about magic, though, is you can drop a spell on Negasonic, and it counts.
01:03:06
Speaker
I hate that. I know, that's why I love playing Agamotto. There's so many times where it's just like... trigger formier or castle zemo poor negasonic yeah that really stinks for her with all these spells now i know it feels great for me though it's like oh she's so low power this is and it just triggers my werewolf to jump to that location yeah great target for cersei or merlin spells though as somebody who cersei's a lot of negasonics okay here's our other super premium season pass card
01:03:43
Speaker
Silver Surfer First Steps. I don't know that we've seen the bundle that it comes in, but like it's shipping as a limited time event card, and then next the month after it's Series 4, which is exactly what Fantastic Car is doing. So people are assuming this is probably the same situation. a three four end of turn, if you're winning this location with an on-reveal card, copy its text.
01:04:07
Speaker
Yeah.
01:04:10
Speaker
It's weird text. use its on review like This is poorly written. No, it's just a surfer. They just made surfer another surfer card. It's just another card you'd want to play after surfer.
01:04:21
Speaker
Or before surfer. Yeah, you could play it before surfer. I assume silver surfer first snips is a three-conist card, we're guessing. Oh, it's end of turn, you're right. It's not an on-reveal.
01:04:35
Speaker
it's Which is why it's so poorly written. This line of text is unintelligible. It only works if that location has an on-reveal card. That's how I'm reading this. so But like copy its text, does that mean trigger its on-reveal? Because Silver Surfer first steps is already face-up. It's not revealing.
01:04:53
Speaker
It would be a full text copy. like Its text would change to copy the other card's text. Like Iron Lad or Prodigy. Yeah. Okay.
01:05:04
Speaker
I didn't read it well enough. But yeah, it's still surfer card. It's definitely a surfer card. It's a three, but also if you can space things out, right? Like Sebastian Shaw doesn't trigger this.
01:05:16
Speaker
It's not a non-reveal card. So you have Sebastian Shaw and Silver Surfer First Step sitting there. And then on the last turn, if you play Silver Surfer and you're winning that lane, Silver Surfer First Steps triggers and copies the Silver Surfer text is a second Silver Surfer that you paid for multiple turns ago.
01:05:35
Speaker
Seems strong. It does. I mean, i don't like there are already a lot of ways to get multiple surfer triggers going, but you know, more don't, more doesn't hurt.
01:05:47
Speaker
yeah Or even copying a white tiger with this I don't hate that at all I guess white tiger lane is kind of a hard lane to win With your one power there And maybe your 4-2 Wong You gotta put a sage on that Shuri You play this into Shuri And then the next card you play Is double double I don't know I don't know either I don't want to pay an extra $10 for this card That's for damn sure Yeah, I'm getting too excited about it. i need to pretend I hate Yep.
01:06:24
Speaker
I'm predisposed to despise this one. OK, well, we'll move on. Stardust, a series five on ah four, seven ongoing cards can't be added to locations except by playing or moving them.
01:06:40
Speaker
How trying to think of what wish we knew anything else about this card. A single supporting detail would be helpful. A cost, a power, like anything. It's 4-7. It's below the stats.
01:06:53
Speaker
Sorry, I don't have pictures of it, but yeah. It's a 4-7. 4-7. four seven You're right. Void is a good one. Yeah. I like it because it's offensive and defensive. You know what i mean? You build your deck to benefit from it and now they can't like pussed out their brood and whatever. you know Yeah, it's a Mobius type kind of thing.
01:07:18
Speaker
Rhino won't make his rock.
01:07:25
Speaker
so funny when you get like a free abomination from... ah the X-Men school. Oh, yeah. the Blinking. I think it's X-Men Academy.
01:07:39
Speaker
and ah And then they get a rhino. You rock. you ra That is a really fun location. Okay.
01:07:50
Speaker
Like, I hate it when, you know, of course, hate it when you draw a MODOK from X-Men Academy, but also, like, it's just one of the ways that this game is is fun and silly. You know, kind of ah kind of a party game sometimes.
01:08:05
Speaker
It's why you need Conquest to be the, like, hey, if you're really matching skills, it needs to be over a series of games to... I mean, because building around the luck of the locations is part of deck strategy. Yeah, absolutely.
01:08:20
Speaker
and don't want a game that's purely skill-based. If I did, i would I wouldn't be playing Snap. I'd be playing chess or something. um I don't... think this card's too expensive. 4-7. Stardust?
01:08:32
Speaker
yeah Yeah, maybe. Yeah. that is That is my main concern about it. I think it might still be good enough, though, because 4-7 is... and it's ah It's a powerful stat line. It is... tried to figure out what are you stopping like?
01:08:46
Speaker
Void is a good thing to stop, I guess. um It's symmetrical, right? So like, i don't know if you're planning on doing like Legion Monster Island or something like that, like it's stopping you too.
01:08:58
Speaker
I mean, it stops. hea Oh, right. It stops a lot of the opponent. It stops. um trying to think of opponents and just stops yeah bre Stops Doom 2099, stops regular Doom, stops a lot of things, add cards to locations.
01:09:15
Speaker
Squirrel Girl, Jubilee, White Tiger. All the cards that people have. See, and it's one of those things that will be a surprise. like Unless it's like it turns out to be an arrow and like everyone's playing it, it's like people run into it and forget. yeah oh Red Wing.
01:09:33
Speaker
Not the verb. Proxima Midnight. Kind of reminds me of... Oh, yay! Fuck Bullseye! Sorry, I do love Proxima Midnight, but Bullseyes made me hate everything.
01:09:45
Speaker
but There are a lot of things that put cards on the board. It strikes me, though, as ah as a Cobra-like card. and of Definitely better than Cobra as far as the ability being useful. But it strikes me as that where it's like it's hard to use proactively.
01:09:59
Speaker
and I'd like it better if it were three. Yeah, and like, are you dedicating a deck slot to teching against a type of deck you might run into? like It might be a lot of types decks, though. Supergiant.
01:10:15
Speaker
I play Supergiant proactively, though. That's the thing. I don't play her just to fuck with people. Well, I'm sure you're also playing Stardust. So you're playing Stardust proactively, too, right? Oh, that's what I'm wondering. Like, how many ways can you do that?
01:10:27
Speaker
Void is is a great example, but I'm struggling to think of, like... Hmm... How else do you use this? no Yeah. To help yourself. I don't quite Yeah.
01:10:39
Speaker
Yeah.
01:10:42
Speaker
I haven't thought of I mean, i've I've only just been thinking about it for the past like 45 seconds. Oh man, great like defense against like debris and stuff. I've been running into so much debris. Yeah, except that she doesn't come down until four. True.
01:10:56
Speaker
The late debris is still very obnoxious. I'm still looking for proactives. don't think she's good enough. You know, you might be right. If the only proactive use is the sentry, then I just don't see it.
01:11:12
Speaker
There have to be other proactive uses, right? I would think so. Good ones?
01:11:19
Speaker
I don't know. we'll We'll keep thinking about it. We don't have to rate this card yet. We're just we're just becoming aware of it. Frankie Ray, who I believe is is Nova, ah and that's why she's Frankie Ray, is because that name is taken um by two cards already.
01:11:35
Speaker
um Frankie Ray. Frankie great name. ah It is a great name. That's true. three four After the next time you play a six cost card, double this card's power.
01:11:48
Speaker
So, three eight if you don't do anything to buffer. Which is not bad. We like, like, three eight is the best three, right? Besides Star Brand? Yeah, it's fine.
01:12:02
Speaker
um I just don't, well, I don't know. mean, it's like a scar type. Do hand buff decks play six cost cards? Is that a thing? Usually.
01:12:15
Speaker
Maybe it'll bring back ramp. It won't seem like an old school ramp in a while. But like the idea is to raise her power above four before doubling it, right? Yeah.
01:12:26
Speaker
Oh, yeah, reasonable. we're Okay, I see the strategy. If you have a six cost that buffs everything. Maybe. Yeah. You can buffer in other ways first, but yeah, I'm with you. that like It's not...
01:12:41
Speaker
I'm trying to think of... ah Negative plays Ironheart. I think Odin is probably the best six-cost card to make something happen with Frankie Ray. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. On an Ironheart.
01:12:53
Speaker
I like that. I like buff and stiff. Honestly...
01:13:01
Speaker
I mean, if you're in and one of those situations where you're... yeah There are a lot of times you end up playing Surfer on five for reasons. I don't know. But you probably don't want to put a six cost in a Surfer deck of any kind. six in the Surfer is wrong.
01:13:15
Speaker
It's just wrong. Oh, I said negative, but she doesn't belong in negative. Even if she has the supporting cast there. Yeah.
Deck Strategy: Doubling Cards
01:13:25
Speaker
yeah I think she's playable.
01:13:28
Speaker
Like, doubling is always ah strong thing to do. Yeah, and I mean, like unlike the boring Human Torch, like this one doesn't die to Killmonger. That's always a good thing, too.
01:13:43
Speaker
Black Panther meme deck. and's Black Panther, Abs, Man, Her, just like double a bunch of cards. Just a pure double deck. There's Moon Girl in there and Shuri. Okay.
01:13:56
Speaker
Okay. ah The deck name is Double Double tro Toil and Trouble. did The Fallen One.
01:14:06
Speaker
A Series 5 card. five five On reveal, set your max energy equal to this card's power.
01:14:18
Speaker
ah So there are a couple things to do with this. You either try to get it out early to get your max energy set to five before it should be, or you play it on five, I guess, after you've buffed its power to like seven or more or something. i don't know. you Because that would get you to seven max energy on turn six. But yeah, yeah like ah I guess you're hand buffing it or you're cheating it out fast.
01:14:44
Speaker
Your max energy would keep growing, right? Yeah. like it It's not locking it. So, like, if if you raised its power to six, played it on turn five, you'd have seven energy on turn six.
01:14:55
Speaker
Okoye. I just processed that you said Okoye, right? Yes, that is one thing that you could do with the final one, for sure. Every little bit counts, I suppose. it your Nakia Okoye deck, America Chavez...
01:15:11
Speaker
Maybe just all that extra energy could justify lack tempo. Actually, this would really be great for that because the problem I have with some of the hand buff decks I get into, like I was running for a while.
01:15:24
Speaker
I abandoned my own. Usually i just have fun with my own. Ika had built this hand buff deck that I just really enjoyed the hell out of it, Scarlet Spider and everything. um And the problem is I'd have these super buffed cards in my hand and not enough energy to play all of them.
01:15:41
Speaker
And, like, you didn't always need two to win, but, like, it really makes you sad when you're like, how could I not have two energy for, like, a 2-8 Sinister? How is that not the best thing to be playing? I really would like to also be playing this.
01:15:56
Speaker
And so I could see if I have played a... qui You know what i mean? If I've got one of those decks where it's like, everything gets buffed, then um i would, you know, play around five. Like, play a five...
01:16:09
Speaker
eight or whatever she is then, and then get to play more of my cards in the last turn when they're max buffed. But is the time that sometimes you're g one pulling or you're neceying, so... Sacrifices.
01:16:24
Speaker
Is Shuri Fallen 1 good enough? Spending nine energy to get eleven on the last turn? Because Shuri happens before, mean, I kind of... That's... I mean, to get...
01:16:39
Speaker
11 energy on the last turn. I would like it better if it were 12. You know? i don't I don't know. That seems... There there might be a deck where that would happen sometimes, and maybe there's a plan for that. It's it's like so far outside of the kind of decks that I like to build because I am, as often mentioned, team small cards, and what you are describing is like the antithesis of everything I love and believe in.
01:17:07
Speaker
There is going to be some beautiful clips I can do with Wong Shuri Fallen 1. 20 power to play with on the last turn. I think Shuri is the right call, though, because you could do stuff like that and, like, put Black Panther in that deck. You know what i mean? That's a card that is good to play last turn when they can't shang it, you know, and stuff. if you can afford to play Black Panther and Arnim Zola on the same turn, oh that's pretty bananas, right? Hey, that's your 11. And, like, those those cards, like, they're they're kind of in agreement with with Shuri, even if... ah
01:17:41
Speaker
That's what I'm saying. You're not all in once you can build the synergies in deck. That does kind of feel like there is something that might be there. That's what I do. I've been wanting to play Black Panther. The fact that think it might be there and have fall card's brain so I don't know. That might mean it doesn't work.
01:17:58
Speaker
um One thing that concerns me about this card is it seems really hard to adjust. right Yes, guess it does. Where are the knobs? Show me those knobs. Every cost or power change is like huge on this thing.
01:18:12
Speaker
ah yeah It does seem like a fun card. it's it's ah i don't know it's It's big for my taste. Of course, this whole season is is pretty big, but that at least so seems like a fun puzzle. like He asks an interesting question of you.
01:18:29
Speaker
Cosmic Ghost
Cosmic Ghost Rider's Impact
01:18:30
Speaker
Rider, this guy's got cool art. Hell yeah. Is it Punisher? It looks like he has a skull on his chest. I think it is. i dont I believe so. um I mean, at Frank Castle.
01:18:40
Speaker
Five, seven. on reveal, remove the text from front row enemy cards here.
01:18:49
Speaker
a Captain Carter's nemesis. Definitely. It's an after-the-fact Elias.
01:18:58
Speaker
Yeah, which doesn't do anything against on reveals. but No, no. But you could definitely race him. How much do we play Red Guardian? like Would you play a 5-7 Red Guardian that could hit two things?
01:19:12
Speaker
Yeah. I think you would. Yeah. Red Guardian is the three cost. When I am like having a deck that is like synergizing around something else and I'm like, i've I'm slotting one card in for tech because sometimes that'll just, you know, or that's just what you need.
01:19:29
Speaker
and And it's usually a three cost. are It's Jug, it's Rogue, it's Red Guardian. i Five is expensive. So I'm thinking about the front row cards you would want to wipe.
01:19:39
Speaker
And the cards that I'm thinking of are things like Hope Summers, Captain Carter. i mean, like, I'm just thinking of some of my favorite surfer cards. But, like, yeah, wong Wong is a great front row card that you're going to want to wipe.
01:19:56
Speaker
Who else do you want to wipe out of the front row? I mean, like, obviously all kinds of ongoings and things. Surtr. Yep, Surtr. That's a good call. Who else?
01:20:07
Speaker
I think he's cool with Daredevil. Yeah, yeah. Get out of here with that. Although, how do you... You'd have to not... You'd have to also have lost Pryo. You need to get him out on turn four to wipe Daredevil, right? Oh, you mean in conjunction with your own Daredevil. You play him with synergy with Daredevil.
01:20:29
Speaker
Hmm. Hmm. What other cards are there to wipe that you really want to wipe? Surge? You want to wipe Surge? Victoria Hand. Anti-Surge card.
01:20:40
Speaker
All the ongoings are easier to just hit with ah with a Rogue or an Enchantress. That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm looking for non-ongoing ones, because otherwise Enchantress is your... those are the powerful, the ongoing are the powerful low-cost cards because they're the build cards.
01:20:56
Speaker
Even stuff like Angela in it or as you were saying, Surtur, they're still going retain the power they've gotten thus far, which is still a big boost them. Yeah, better to hit them with Shadow King.
01:21:07
Speaker
ah But one of the i think one of the reasons we like Red Guardian is because he's so flexible. Flexible, yeah, exactly. He's not specific to ongoing or on reveal or whatever.
01:21:18
Speaker
um I'm inclined to think this is powerful card. who is also a 5-7. Oh, I'm so bummed out. I realized I was hyped for Electro's buff.
01:21:29
Speaker
It killed my Tall Geese deck because an important line was going from Electro to Lady Deathstrike, and now she doesn't kill him. And Lady Deathstrike, part of that was like the surprise factor with it, and like ah the whole deck has to be reset. That stinks. Not the whole deck, but like I have to figure stuff out.
01:21:48
Speaker
You know who I don't want getting hit by Cosmic Ghost Rider? Kraven and Scream. I don't want them getting hit by Cosmic Ghost Rider. don't want Vulture getting hit by Cosmic Ghost Rider. But they're still playing this on 5 and your Kraven's still going to be huge on turn things happen on turn 5 and 6.
01:22:07
Speaker
like yeah Turning off Scream for 2 turns is a huge deal. Yeah, but they're still spending five energy. They're spending their whole time five turns to just, you know, do that. And your vulture's still going to get giant from moving around and stuff. If our alternative is, like, Shadow King, then that's a Shadow King that you have to save until turn six to, like, do the things. I don't know. I think the Cosmic Ghost Rider came to play. That's what I think.
01:22:37
Speaker
It's a strong ability. Just a question if the stats are... a worth it. Like, if it if it's bad, it's only... It's the fiveness that, like, will doom it.
01:22:48
Speaker
But yeah I think even the fiveness is not enough to doom it. But see, I'm less worried, because what? On a turn five, it'll hit my Merlin? Fine. um I've gotten most of my use out of Merlin. hit my Kate Bishop?
01:23:00
Speaker
Fine. You know what I mean? It hits my shield? Fine. Like... you Ooh, another card that hits Doom 2099. like ah Look at all these cards I have to get Doom 2099. Doom 2099 losing two procs. That's big.
01:23:17
Speaker
But how much are you teching against one specific deck? You know what mean? A five-cost card. Cosmic Ghost Rider has a multitude of targets. I know. I think you're ready, and I think it's strong.
01:23:30
Speaker
love playing Lady Deathstrike, so I get it. I'm just trying to bring down the, like... I don't know. The power is still there and the power is what matters. yeah Ultimately.
Synergy in Destroy-Focused Decks
01:23:44
Speaker
um I'm intrigued. I think we asked before about like, how do you make a big tech card? And it's a hard thing to do to make ah a big tech card. ah Air Walker.
01:23:55
Speaker
this is We're on to our series fours. I don't know which of these are going to be like first week releases versus event cards. So whatever. Air Walker, a three, four.
01:24:07
Speaker
When this is destroyed, replace it with a four cost card from your hand or deck.
01:24:14
Speaker
That seems good, but I don't know. I don't understand the vision. Like playing full, you're free is nice to pair with fire Lord, right? Oh, I haven't looked at him yet. ah they're They're like supposed to be. Yes. Yeah. OK, let's read him real quick.
01:24:29
Speaker
Fire Lord, four six on reveal. we Revive one of your discarded or destroyed three cost cards here. So he brings in Fire Lord, who immediately brings Air Walker back.
01:24:42
Speaker
Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And then you destroy him again. Yeah, well, that's why I think this would just slot into a destroy deck. Like, I would put it in somewhere where it's like it'll pull a two-month.
01:24:55
Speaker
You know what mean? It's going to Yeah, like this gets value. Yeah, you're just going to be... i think it's... Nope, get that out of your mouth. Harder to find a... Like a combo...
01:25:08
Speaker
um like peace with that outside destroy, like the way fire hair, you kind of have this wonky fire hair deck. I feel like for me, this feels more like you're more in on destroy, like with it.
01:25:21
Speaker
Just the fact that he can pull from your deck. That's like deck thinning is always very, very strong, especially in Marvel's snap. Yeah, that that from the deck part, really, like, that makes this card, like, you can't ignore it. This this is definitely going to be a real card. do you like Zogu? Oh, we can Omega.
01:25:41
Speaker
ah You know what i mean? That's where it'll combo into outside and destroy stuff. That's great. Because, um...
01:25:52
Speaker
Because, okay, yeah, I think that'll do it. Because the thing is, when you're not, like, when you're outside of destroying one cost and you're outside of Hood and stuff, because there you can slot in Killmonger and maybe a Carnage is back up or Nico and some other things, but a three cost, you have to have more dedicated cards to destroy. Then you need, like, a Venom.
01:26:12
Speaker
You need other stuff that's going on. Ooh, maybe this is what goes in my Tall Geese deck. Because when this gets destroyed... By Destroyer, that's late game though. Would I still have forecast in my game? You could just keep one in your hand and you would know exactly what it would be. um maybe maybe this Maybe this will revive Destroyer for me.
01:26:34
Speaker
i like it. That's another thing worth noting is if you only have one four in your entire deck, you know what card is coming out when you take care of this guy. It also means, i mean, well, I guess it does do it from the hand. I just, I i wish there were two so that you could, I don't know.
01:26:53
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I would feel better if there were two, because like maybe you'll discard the one. I don't know. Multiple targets is good, but like the consistency of a single four in that deck would also, I don't know. Well, like picture this, right? You play that on three...
01:27:08
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On, like, five, you play a Nimrod. Maybe you play Shuri before the Nimrod. I don't know what you're playing on four. You got options. And then um six, you destroy and you kill Airwalker, pulls out your Atuma, which kills another Nimrod. Kills another Nimrod?
01:27:28
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Mmm. That very Not a Shuri Nimrod, though. But yes, I like this version. Oh, you're right. I don't play Shuri. She was, like, the first cut from Tall Geese, to be honest. So... um ah yeah They seem like fun cards. Fire Lord on his own? Revive one of your discarded or destroyed three-cost cards here.
01:27:45
Speaker
do you play a 4-6 that does that? I think so. And destroy? Yeah, with misery and stuff? Like, bring back your Cassandra Nova your Sage or whatever. I love to blow up a big Venom that I might get it back, you know?
01:28:02
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i Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay, so Venom with Kid Omega. exactly. We were thinking about Elixir, but Elixir with Venom and Kid Omega is awkward because Venom destroys a bunch of cards also, so you're rolling the dice if you get to revive the Venom. Well, Fire Lord is just one more voice in the choir telling you not to play Elixir. Oh my gosh. This, you could target it. This is better than Elixir in that way. Yeah. yeah There's got to be good discard uses, too.
01:28:32
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Play a discard. Yeah, for sure.
01:28:36
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The problem, once again, is just when you're in a ah genre deck, like that, the more cards you have that aren't like doing the thing, discarding the string, you limited slots. So it's just like, do you put this in over a Proxima or you know to mean? Because you have a certain number of slots that have to go to discarding things, you know? And it's like, does this ability warrant one of, you know, like then you, does it go in over Mobius? You know, your other cards that benefit from discarding. Anyway, just saying.
01:29:09
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Someone who's played lot of discard until Bullseye. I appreciate that. um Redshift. On reveal, discard the leftmost card in your hand to add a random card with the same cost to your hand.
01:29:28
Speaker
Yeah. It's uppercase cost currently. But it's i' worded like it's lowercase cost. I don't care about that. ah They had me at discard the leftmost card in your hand.
01:29:40
Speaker
Why? ah You just... It's targeted. I mean, it's not as good as discarding the rightmost card in your hand. That would be better. But that's already played. And we yeah we can we can playbos
01:29:55
Speaker
Oh. Yeah, I love this guy. Oh, it's still just a discard. I was thinking it like transformed the discarded card, but it's still a discard. This says discard the leftmost card in your hand. Everything else after that is just gravy.
01:30:07
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Okay. Yep. I see it. Helicarrier shenanigans. Any deck that wants to discard stuff. Yep. I like And it's only a 2-3? This is my kind of series 4. Yeah.
01:30:22
Speaker
Okay, one more. Yeah, that that seems fun to
Discard and Shuffle Abilities
01:30:24
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play with. ah Terax the Tamer. We talked about this guy before um because of the title. Tamed at X point. Even though it's really more of a halberd or something, you know? yeah um But it's right there in his name, Terax. 3-3 on reveal for each location.
01:30:44
Speaker
Weirdest wording. For each location, shuffle a rock into the losing player's deck. This is like Rock Slide Power Creep. Of course, losing player deck is a limitation.
01:30:59
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i think this is a very cool card design. Also, as as weird as the words are, I do think they are the correct words to to convey the the function.
01:31:11
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I think for each location is the weird part. That is the weird part. of it Oh! I just got it. It could be different per player. You could be winning, losing, winning. Exactly.
01:31:24
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yeah Two to one player, one to each one. okay Exactly. um I misread it the first time. i was like, okay, so Galactus is the only thing that affects this? No, it feels like you'd play Rock Slide and then Dark Hawk and then Mystique and Terax.
01:31:42
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You know what I mean? So then you'd already hopefully be winning from your Dark Hawk and Mystique. Or, you know. Oh, so you want to play Terax at the very end. Oh, just a finishing play. Yeah. I kind of like shuffling with Rock in before the end. Yeah, if you're already winning. I I agree, but it's like if you have this in your hand, if you're playing Darkhawk and you have the, you know what i mean, you're playing Quirk earlier. What's great about this is it's a three cost that fits slots in well if you do want to play Mystique. Like what else are you playing with Mystique on turn six?
01:32:13
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That's what I like about it. I guess if you have Pryo, that could be important. That could be the deciding factor in winning those three extra rocks. Yeah, I kind of like the the I'm just thinking you want to play this in a deck that has like enough ones and twos that you can reliably have priority on turn three and then shuffle three rocks in on turn three, because I think this card is better when you play it on turn three than on turn six, because shuffling the rocks in is best when your opponent has the opportunity to draw them in lieu of real cards.
01:32:46
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I always agree with that. Always agree with it. But at same time, when I'm looking at this deck, if I have a Cassandra Nova, that's what I'm playing on three Terax. And I probably have a Cassandra Nova in this deck. It's probably just different decks is what we're playing.
01:32:59
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If you play Terax first, then Cassandra gets a bigger hit because there's three rocks in the deck. yeah um True. And then maybe you say Cassandra is a three cast that goes with Mystique.
01:33:13
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This deck needs, if you're playing Terax, though, you need a way to be winning probably three lanes early. yeah Which is definitely a deck building restriction. So think it's an interesting like ah spin on Rock Slide where it's like yeah, probably you generally want Rock Slide for the ah reliability, but...
01:33:33
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like but you have this option that's a little better. With the three costness of Terax. Okay, no, but I... Okay, sorry. This is an interesting Cassandra Nova dilemma.
01:33:45
Speaker
So, I see what you're saying where she can get a couple more points power later, but part of my consideration, the fact that almost just... If I have Cassandra Nova and I've drawn her and I can play her in three, I just about always play her because I want those negative powers on as many of their draws as possible unless they I think they're carrying Luke cage and that's a big factor in my thinking beyond just how big can I make Kassandra Novitz that I want I want to hit as many of their cards that it might hurt yeah but do you know what's even worse than drawing a card with minus one power drawing a rock I see what you're saying right
01:34:29
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I guess if you have Pryo, it's not too hard to be winning three locations on the on turn three yeah turn three. You have to be doing stuff like... Maybe this is Wiccan Darkhawk.
01:34:42
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Maybe, yeah. yeah yeah Because because you want to be sticking to that curve so that you can be ahead everywhere on three. Okay. That's the patch. um OTA, which is coming...
01:34:56
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Well, tomorrow, from from your host's perspective, Thursday this week, um it was publicly previewed early um for the sake of the Golden Gauntlet tournament. I think that was cool. and They mentioned it.
01:35:09
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um you know And that's how I know they're planning to do more is because they said when they dropped this early that they're never going to they're going to space things out so that this never the scheduling never happens like this again, which means they're doing more golden gauntlets at some point. Good. Yeah. Well, I think i think it must have gone well for them to already have a second one going already.
01:35:31
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But I think in the section where they they buffed, I'm going to skip to the to the bottom three just because
Card Buffs and Gameplay Impact
01:35:36
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they're easier. They're simpler buffs. Yeah, they are The Ganto, Omega Red, and Supergiant all got power buffs, and they mentioned that it was like, these are three cards that weren't played in the Golden Gauntlet. And while we can't guarantee every single card in the game is going to be viable, like we can do our best to make it you know it so that anybody who wants to play a card...
01:35:56
Speaker
I noticed that they didn't buff Red Wing, another card that was not played last time. Giganto goes from 614 to 616. I think that's big enough to be worth talking about. absolutely make Omega Red, 4.5 to 4.6.
01:36:11
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Super Giant, 4.5 to 4.7.
01:36:15
Speaker
I mostly... Actually, i I just realized I love this change. I was like, I mostly Cersei my Super Giants. But this is big enough that I don't need to. This is big enough I can leave her on my other lane.
01:36:28
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um So this might actually be a buff for my... Actually, I guess it's always a buff. Even if I am surceeing her, being 4-7 instead of 4-5 doesn't... Anyway.
01:36:40
Speaker
Yep, you're going to win more games with Supergiant. That's the bottom line. Yep, love to see that, I guess. ah She is one of my favorite cards in the game that I only play in one deck. Yeah. yeah I'm happy for Omega Red.
01:36:53
Speaker
i have a soft spot for Omega Red. It's a good card. ah that like ah It's a good ability. You see people steal games with that. they don't see it coming.
01:37:04
Speaker
It's true, but it's still hard. Sorry, go ahead. Back before all my Snap.fan data like disappeared or whatever, this this was like probably a year ago now or something, but like Omega Red was like one of my highest performing cards.
01:37:19
Speaker
that Perhaps because I didn't play a ton of it, but whenever I was playing Omega Red, those decks were doing pretty well and Omega Red was helping. What kind of measure Omega Red decks were you playing where are you playing with it?
01:37:33
Speaker
ah Like Ms. Marvel and stuff. Okay, Miss Marvel, I can see that. Because I've been trying... You know, like, I'm always occasionally just throwing together a Spectrum. Like, a Spectrum with counters and, like, a few power cards deck.
01:37:48
Speaker
And every time I try Omega Red, it just ends up... Because once they see Omega Red, which I'm not playing in the last turn because I'm playing Spectrum or whatever, then like it just gets too hard to win that lane. And he's only five power himself. And like and you don't want to overcommit with the an Iron Man because still got to win a second lane. And I don't know. He's just been a struggle for me.
01:38:10
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so But maybe Spectrum is not the list for him. So that's what I curious Maybe. I think I also used to play him in an Affliction deck when there were fewer Affliction cards.
01:38:22
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trying Trying to remember decks in which I have played Omega Red.
01:38:27
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think I them in the deck that had Evolved Abomination and High Evo and no other High Evo cards. Do either of you remember off the top of your head if Miss Marble is or 4-5 right now? 4-4 right now.
01:38:41
Speaker
four four right now and so Okay, so she's a 4.15. A 4.14, I think she is. 4.14 is what I meant to say. I just asked.
01:38:51
Speaker
Yes. 4.14. Let's double check just to be sure. Omega Red is up to 4.12. Nope, Ms. Marvel's a 4.5 right now. See? don't want to call it out, but I'm like, I tried to play her recently and it's like she was a 4.5.
01:39:07
Speaker
I don't know. I randomly play a lot of weird card decks at random times. Mm-hmm. yeah Ms. Marvel's still, like, meaningfully stronger, except a Oh, yeah. A, you have to play her me You have to play her mid if you're going to get the full strength. She's really fun to win the Vatoom.
01:39:26
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. That's evil. Her condition is harder. It just is. Okay. The other, this changes. Huge. Infinity Ultron goes from 5.8 to 5.6.
01:39:41
Speaker
Humorously, this happened in the patch, but none of the stones were changed. So he's had a nerf for two days. um But then the OTA will hit and all of his stones will be buffed. The power stone goes from three, two to two, one.
01:39:55
Speaker
That's the one that doubles his power. I don't know how to read these off. Like I don't remember what his, what his stones do yet. I haven't faced that much of them. I'm going to try not to learn them still. Yeah. Reality stone. That's the one that adds a drone that matches his power. goes from three, one to two, one.
01:40:11
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Time Stone, put a card from your hand here. The Red Wing card goes from 3-1 to 2-3. That's a giant buff. um And then the Space Stone. Time Stone and Space Stone were the ones that everybody thought were the worst, and they both got huge buffs. Space Stone, the one that moves the lowest power enemy card here to Infinity Ultron's location, goes from to 2-5.
01:40:35
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um Soulstone is the one that i for each full location gives plus two to one of the cards there. Three, three to two, three.
01:40:47
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And then the Mind Stone, the Wong, goes three, two to two, two. So they all just lost a cost except for the ones that yeah were weak. And they they lost a cost and gained power. would be surprised if Infinity Ultron is not a good card now.
01:41:03
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Yeah, i'm I'm a little annoyed because, I mean, I skipped it because I can read. ah
01:41:11
Speaker
okay I have an equal and opposite reaction to that in that I am super excited to play this and I am super excited not, you know, I'm super antagonistic towards playing against Like, I do not want to see this on the other side of me, but it looks so fun play.
01:41:31
Speaker
Yeah, kind of for the same, like, you get two good cards, you don't know what they are, your opponent doesn't know what they are, and so yes, that's... But no, in seriousness, this card did need to be better. I'm glad they buffed it. It's fine.
01:41:45
Speaker
But it's got so many possibilities that when I play against it, it's going to be too hard for me to like figure out whether I'm going to beat them or not. Because I don't know which stones they have. I don't know how it's going to go. on my side, I love that.
01:42:01
Speaker
Super hard to play against if... Yeah. If he's very, very player. I'm have think about this card, because I was perfectly happy not thinking about this card pretty much ever at all.
01:42:13
Speaker
Well, after this OTA hits, you can see it everywhere, which is where I am like, I'm excited about it now. I've already been seeing it. I don't know why people are playing it. They keep playing it, and I don't understand it entirely.
01:42:26
Speaker
It's just fun. That's what I'm saying. It's a fun Someone's probably playing that deck. is Is there someone like really good who has a good Infinity Ultron deck and like I'm just running into a bunch of ah imitators who aren't playing it properly or something? But but yeah, I've been seeing so much Infinity Ultron these days.
01:42:46
Speaker
Before this button. That's what I'm saying. They're getting ready. They're learning the stones. I guess they are. yeah This is a card like um Bruce Banner that I prefer to be fun than good. Or just fun.
01:43:03
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I lost one yesterday to a Bruce Banner. Oh, shit. I lost. it knowt it It was on
Infinity Ultron Decks Experience
01:43:09
Speaker
the board for one turn and it hulked out. ah Heck yeah. Yeah. And of course they had to amote me about it.
01:43:18
Speaker
Great, great job, bud. Oh, they emoted me. That had mentioned me because, you know, Sinister London's the hot location. They played two Bruce Banners. They both popped. And they were like laughing because they got a double Cosmo down on my little werewolf. You know, I'm playing all these on reveals.
01:43:35
Speaker
But like, they're so dumb because it was the hand swap location on turn six. was coming I think they maybe thought I would like cancel it with one of my location things. No, I let my hand fill up with my useless arrows and my useless Merlin spells.
01:43:50
Speaker
And then I didn't play hardly anything on turn five. And then when I got there turn six hand, I had a three and a three She-Hulk. And I played that on Sinister London and beat their double Bruce Banners.
01:44:04
Speaker
Beautiful. marveled me. I'm like, you saw the location. You Cosmo'd my dinky little hand of cards. What did you think was happening? It was glorious. I was like, you deserve what you've gotten. The emoter in my story, they didn't actually play a Bruce Banner when it was on the board for one turn. This was, of course, a Merlin Polymorph Bruce Banner that they fucking looked into and still had to emote me about A one polymorphed into a freaking Hulk. Oh, polymorph is dangerous. It's dangerous.
01:44:38
Speaker
No, it's a very powerful as well. Oh, yeah. No, it is. Yes. And it is also fun. But ah yeah. I've been doing a little bit of booster farming. ah Not a ton. Just like I have, I have like, i don't know, 15 cards that I'm just trying to get to infinity.
01:44:57
Speaker
Or I'm trying to get them to green and out of my bonus booster shop. So I only need like 10 boosters for them. 15. Upgrade them and then get them out of my shop.
01:45:07
Speaker
Okay. Anyway, there was Prodigy and Bruce Banner in that set. And as soon as I noticed that, I thought of Reece's story with copying the Bruce Banner with Prodigy. I've been doing that. That's fun. It's not a good deck. It is always funny when you win against a real deck with a but with a booster farming deck. You're like, what what went wrong here that you lost to me? like My deck has no synergy. I'm running Scorn and Proxima Midnight with no discarders.
01:45:33
Speaker
Okay, yeah. But to be fair, if you're trying to, for serious, put Prodigy and Evo, you're probably copying, like, a Cyclops or something. Not Bruce. But yeah. I don't know. It's pretty cool.
01:45:47
Speaker
is cool. really good ah Really good chance of getting at least one Hulk that way. Okay. On our side quests.
01:45:58
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First and only this week. Secret homework assigned by me.
Desire for Unranked and Limited Modes
01:46:01
Speaker
It was... What do you most want to see from Marvel Snap this year? um
01:46:10
Speaker
or from, yeah, oh, that is what's written down. What do you most want to see from Marvel Snap this year? um I think I said it a second dinner, but Marvel Snap is probably the better answer because that's what I care about.
01:46:21
Speaker
um Not about what their second game might be.
01:46:25
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And had several ideas for this. you know a lot of it could be like quality of life stuff. like I just want them to focus on bugs. like Give us a patch that that will clean up the bugs.
01:46:36
Speaker
um But I think like if I'm thinking about my own retention in the game, this is one that I'm stealing from one of our listeners, um because it's it's perfect. It's exactly what I want. It is going to help my retention the most. I want an unranked mode.
01:46:51
Speaker
I don't know how this works, but I don't like proving grounds. It's too slow. It's too like people go in there and they do booster farming and and experience farming. And I don't know how you deal with that in an unranked mode. Like, how do you make an unranked mode that doesn't end up with just people going in there to farm?
01:47:08
Speaker
I mean, I'm sure there will be some people going in there to farm, right? Yeah, and if you take out all the XP and stuff like that, it's otherwise no will there. Right, if you take out all the XP and stuff, then it's like, oh well, it's better it's going to be better for me to play Proving Rounds or Ranked if I'm going to be spending my time on Snap anyway.
01:47:23
Speaker
So, I don't know what it looks Or let missions and friendlies, you know? So we can play our friends and be doing our chores. I don't think that's going to hurt anything. It's not going to depopulate the other queues. It'll be fine.
01:47:36
Speaker
Also, like, reward us for having friends, please. That's already a difficult enough feat for adults. That'd be another way to expand alliances and yeah all that. um Just add a social element to the game.
01:47:49
Speaker
i would just i would I would love, like, real unranked that I can match into randos. You know, I could do unranked. I can do, like, friendly battles. I can do that. But I can't do the ranked mode format, single game,
01:48:05
Speaker
can't do that in in unranked mode. And I don't know how many players this would benefit, but it would benefit me immensely because I do like climbing ladder, but I also like doing silly shit. And, you know, there's a side of me that's like, oh, fuck my rank. And I lose 25,000 rank doing silly shit. And then it's like, well, okay, well, later when I'm feeling competitive, I have to build it back up.
01:48:26
Speaker
That's a huge pain. I mean, like I would use your unranked mode. Unranked is a great place to do like cooking. you know Right, yeah. Because Proving Ground, the battle, is just it's just a different format.
01:48:39
Speaker
People are there for a different reason, and the the like managing your life is different than managing your cubes. Mm-hmm. So I love... Let's cook second dinner. would love a true unranked mode. It also would just like inherently make the ranked mode more competitive. like If anybody's queuing into ranked, it's because they want to be playing ranked mode. This is true. Okay. Reassigns next week's homework, so Ben...
01:49:04
Speaker
What is your answer for this week? All right. Well, what I would like to see really is just... um Another mode, like how how have we gotten this far without any new game modes really? Like, I mean, except for these temporary ones.
01:49:21
Speaker
But like what what's like, honestly, folks, how have we not added a limited mode of any kind? And but that's what I would like it to be personally. I would like some kind of a limited mode.
01:49:32
Speaker
um Can you probably understand what that means? Is it rotation? ah No, although I i think they should they should probably start doing that too. um But no, like a limited mode would be like sealed or draft. If you've played any Hearthstone, there's Arena. That's their limited format.
01:49:51
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um
01:49:54
Speaker
I it i don't know what sealed means. Okay, that's that's where like you you open some some packs and stuff, and then you're allowed to use those cards, and you would like build your deck only from the cards that you opened. Oh, I've done that.
01:50:11
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. It's it's like drafting minus minus the passing and stuff. I gotcha. You're not trying to manage other people's situations while you're doing it. it's like It's more of a self-contained, isolated thing.
01:50:26
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And like when Hearthstone does it... online card or like like when hardstone does it like People like think of Arena as being a draft mode, but it's not.
01:50:37
Speaker
It's really more like sealed. um But anyhow, because because you're not screwing people over and trying to cut off their opportunities and stuff. But anyhow, the draft mode, as like they've they've complained, like, we just don't know how we would do draft mode. So I thought about it for them.
01:50:55
Speaker
um You know? Yeah. <unk> Here's what I was thinking. So for the first round in this in this draft, again, it's a misnomer. It's not really drafting what what I'm describing here.
01:51:07
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um You'd start with... ah deck that had all the vanillas between one and six. So no Wasp, but Misty through Hulk. And then I think we would start with a themed three card package. The other thing I thought about doing was just like start with the starter deck that you start Marvel Snap with. And I believe that's Quicksilver, Hawkeye, Misty Knight, Medusa, Star Lord, Shocker, Punisher, Cyclops, the Thing, Iron Man, Abomination, and the Hulk.
01:51:32
Speaker
So like that, that was one thing, but I thought it would be more fun to start with a nine card deck, which is just the six vanillas and then ah themed three card package. And so like, let me give you an example of like what that themed three card package would look like.
01:51:44
Speaker
These would all be a one cost, a two cost and a three cost. And so like, maybe it would be the same every time, maybe the same options would be offered. You'd have like your favorite starting package or whatever. But like, here's here's a sample, like it would be themed around X-Men and you'd get Kitty Pryde, Psylocke and Gambit.
01:52:00
Speaker
And like Kitty Pryde and Psylocke and Gambit don't really have anything to do with each other, but each of them like could start taking you in a direction for like what you want your deck's identity to become. Like maybe you want to do like discard things with Gambit or maybe Gambit is just like a strong like removal thing in this limited situation.
01:52:19
Speaker
But yeah, so you have your first game, you've got your your boring vanilla cards, and then your three small things, and then you win that game, and then you get to pick a new card, and then your deck is up to 10 cards. So for the first three games, you're adding a card until you get up to 12, and then you can start swapping cards as as you get the things.
01:52:39
Speaker
Um, this would operate on probably like some kind of a ticket system, like a Sanctum Showdown or whatever, or maybe not exactly like that. I don't know, but like, you'd be able to buy your way in and that's, that's always exciting for me. Like, uh,
01:52:54
Speaker
yeah I'm sure there would be like prizes. So you could, in theory, attempt to go infinite, where like if you get good enough at your limited format, you can afford to play the limited format forever. i love that sort of thing. That's what I like to pursue.
01:53:09
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um Anywho, so i was thinking that there's there's great power in choosing from one of three things. Hades does it, Slay the Spire does it, the the Bazaar does it ah when you're going to different...
01:53:26
Speaker
things for every hour of the day. They they always give you three choices. So yeah, choosing three is like, it's a pretty ah well, it's the Hearthstone arena thing. Like everybody knows that choosing from one of three options is great.
01:53:40
Speaker
So um I'm thinking that after every round, you can sort of target something like a, you'll you'll be offered three like packs to choose from and each pack would have three cards in it and so like after every round you'd you'd find three packs they'd be like they'd they you'd have some indication of what could be inside of them like maybe it would be like x-men pack or destroy pack or move pack or like expensive move pack and that would be like five or six cost move cards or something like you you would see like three things that had like groupings and you could probably preview them like snap packs where you can see what could be in your snap pack you would see like what's on the list and i was thinking that the the themed packs probably had weirder or more powerful or more specific cards like there's no advantage to picking an x-men pack right
01:54:36
Speaker
unless it's the only way you can get like a weird x-men card like it's the only pack that has like professor x in it or like you know like some some weird card that like other i don't know so i i i thought about some things some ways i almost i don't know i i'm doing such a bad job explaining it i kind of feel like maybe can i tell you what i love Do tell.
01:55:01
Speaker
Oh, sorry. Okay. I'm like, I am loving your idea because like you said, in Hearthstone, the idea, and I preferred this format to picking three. I mean, Slay the Spire is a bit different, starting with the basic deck.
01:55:13
Speaker
But like that idea, right, is where you get, you know, you make the best deck you can out of the set of packs you've opened. And then you take that deck as far as you can, you know, as many wins as you can.
01:55:25
Speaker
But what you have done is like, okay, but what if we make this a miniature version of the onboarding experience for a player? Because we all have positive associations with that. yeah Everybody loves it.
01:55:37
Speaker
Everyone remembers starting with the and going It's very much the Iron Man 1 of Marvel Snap. And this is what it would let you do too with things that make as much sense anymore once you have the big meta and you have all of this.
01:55:51
Speaker
When you have this and you're facing people that also don't have the whole collections is you could do stuff like pick a discard deck and a destroy package and build a little light combo because when you're When you're onboarding, like when I started, it's like, oh, I started this card, but then once I got Carnage, it's like, well, Carnage is great.
01:56:11
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You know what I mean? And I started mixing Destroy with some stuff. And you get these little synergies that like wouldn't be like an S tier deck that you could play when you're playing at the high end that we play at. But when you can get creative with cards because you don't have a complete set and you're playing against other people with without complete sets,
01:56:32
Speaker
It's like, that's the perfect idea for like, like a drafting experience, a mini onboarding experience, trying recapture some of that nostalgia we have for it. So I think that's, that's a great idea.
01:56:43
Speaker
Also, if the sample X-Men start package I described did not like, if those three cards sounded boring to you, what about this sample Spider-Man start package? Spider-Ham, Spider-Man, and Venom.
01:56:55
Speaker
Three, one through three cost cards don't really have anything to do with each other, but like, They're all independently sort of playable in that kind of way. like you're not You're never angry that you have Spider-Ham in your hand or whatever. You're never angry to see Spider-Man.
01:57:10
Speaker
And like every kind of deck can sometimes find a very clever thing to do with a generated Venom or whatever. So like i I really think it wouldn't be that hard to...
01:57:22
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set up like a frame. like Maybe not every card has ah has a home in this in this limited roguelike run-based mode that I'm describing. like Sorry, maybe maybe like maybe we're never playing Thanos in this mode. Maybe maybe Thanos is not involved. Maybe Agamotto is not involved. Like, you know, this this wouldn't... I don't I think there would be ways to, like, sort of prune Marvel Snap and what's in it to make it, like, very replayable and, like...
01:57:55
Speaker
I think that it could be like very like creatively fulfilling while still like being kept on the rails with ah like I think the systems could be managed and it would be really fun. I don't know why they haven't done this yet. I kind of think that they should have tried harder, I guess, is all I'm trying to like. I thought about it for not that long. And I think I've had some good ideas that could be refined into better ideas.
01:58:21
Speaker
And I hope they try harder. And it's rewarding for the people who love to cook. Like, I just mentioned how all the time I'm building together little silly decks. And even when I win, sometimes there's just not a spark of fun for me there to keep it together long term.
01:58:35
Speaker
But I'm constantly just like, throwing this in deck, playing a few games. And it's like, but like ladder... like most stuff doesn't reward it. If you're putting in the time for a deck, you're cooking and you're trying to make a legit deck.
01:58:48
Speaker
So getting to enjoy, to reward the people who get a reward in a very lighter stakes, lower, like you're not all encompassing. You're doing your cooking in a in a more casual way that's more on the fly and improv-y. It's like, yeah. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff to reward people with this.
01:59:08
Speaker
Love it. So as far as things that maybe I meant to mention that like I don't think I did, ah you would probably have like some number of losses you could sustain before like you're you know you're kicked out.
01:59:21
Speaker
and so I think in Hearthstone Arena, it's three losses. That's fine. like The Bazaar does this prestige system that's perhaps a little more complicated than we would want for this mode.
01:59:33
Speaker
um But something like in the vein of those two systems would be good. um Yeah, also I think maybe I i described the the packs that you get after each ah each game. I'd describe them probably about as well as I would, but like you would pick from one of three packs, and each of those packs would have three cards.
01:59:52
Speaker
So like you would be picking from one of three things to get a new choice of one of three things, and then after that, you play that deck in the next round and do it all over again. i i never know, like...
02:00:03
Speaker
which games our listeners have played and which games they haven't, and like what what things they'll assume that I'm talking about or not. I don't know. But yeah, if you have any questions about it, hit me up in the speakeasy. I kind of want to just publish my notes or whatever because it's all a bit complicated, but I don't know. It's like not that complicated if you're used to these sorts of things.
02:00:24
Speaker
I don't know. I think that... People would learn... Yeah. And people like these these are fun things. Like when when you fail at a roguelike, the reaction you usually have is like, oh, I got to do that again, but a little better. Right. Like i know I know what I did wrong. I know what I could do better. But like, yeah, I.
02:00:44
Speaker
I really think that the community would would dig this kind of thing. And these these modes can, like, breathe new life into a game. Like, when and Battlegrounds came to Hearthstone, I was like, woo! In fact, it's still like woo. I still get in there play some Battlegrounds with my partner and stuff.
02:01:01
Speaker
i think Modes mosts are good. think Sealed and Roguelike both sound like very fun spins on Marvel Snap. Okay. Re...
Technical Issues and Community Reflections
02:01:12
Speaker
All right. So ah mine is not in a whole new mode, but mine was easy. As soon as you said it the past two weeks, I've known immediately, um and it's just how it is, so I can't change. Like you said, what would get you to stop playing the game?
02:01:25
Speaker
i need them to fix their technical stuff because... As I mentioned before, I'm playing on my Snapsule, my old phone that has no battery that has to stay plugged in because on my new phone, it just crashes all the time. And I really don't think that it's my phone.
02:01:43
Speaker
and it so You know what I mean? I think it's like part of it's just that it's a crashy game on phones, on multiple phones. And even I've been – like I almost rarely play on my PC, but I was lately because of – uh my inability to let go ah streak of infinites and like there's still stuff where it's like i'll click on the collection button and it's like and it's like what is oh and my whole computer froze up or the game froze up i'm like oh no it just oftentimes just takes like five seconds or ten seconds or whatever because it's
02:02:20
Speaker
you know And then there's the stuff like the dot in the shop. And it's just like i you know I've worked in software for a long time. i do software. And it's like those are things I would fix.
02:02:31
Speaker
The very visible, obvious, glaring things that especially when they go around for a really long time. And it's like I've been in software. So I know how it works and how it gets moved. And I know the difficulties. And it's just like it's just it's got to be It's got to be prioritized because if my Snapsule goes down and I can't play on my phone, i will just not get to play very much. I'm only playing my computer.
02:02:58
Speaker
um Um, that's mine. feel like we've talked about the problems before. So I'm just going to go right into next week's homework. I was actually thinking about, um, we're coming up on a year.
02:03:15
Speaker
i mean, it's still like another 10 episodes of, uh, you know, of, of um doing the podcast and stuff and also i think one of our um one of our listeners you know i've been i've been curious about how we all got into this in and so i that's that's our secret homework for this week is next week i want you to tell the story of how you got into the snap community um
02:03:46
Speaker
Right? And I'm even curious. It's like, even I know we have people that participate in our Discord. I don't know if we have listeners that just listen to podcasts and aren't involved in any social media or forums or anything. But, like, by the act of choosing to listen to a podcast, you've gotten involved in the community in some way. And there's something about that. It's like, do you do that for every game you play? do you have for card games? What, but you know, are you just...
02:04:13
Speaker
Looking for like-minded souls? I'm curious what, uh, what, does anyone else hear that? I hear music, yes.
02:04:26
Speaker
Where's it coming from? Does it sound intentional? the Intentional timing of the music?
02:04:39
Speaker
It was Zedcaster. I hit some button. Oh, my gosh. Okay. okay Well, that threw everything off. I'm so sorry. i't know That's pretty much the C-Homwork. Yeah.
02:04:55
Speaker
So tell your stories. If anyone wanted to share, if anyone who's never reached out, just listens, it's... I don't know. It was a big thing for me. I was, you know, getting into an online community. So, um, I'm hearing everyone's stories.
02:05:10
Speaker
That's the secret homework. I love it. Um, okay. If you liked what you heard, tune in next week, please. Also like comment, subscribe, review, et cetera. You can leave comments on YouTube or on Spotify.
02:05:26
Speaker
Um, yeah Come hang out with us in the speakeasy. It's a little little tiny section of the Snap Judgments League Discord because we are part of the Snap Judgments Network where you can listen to other great shows like Snap Decisions hosted by Joe.
02:05:41
Speaker
um Normally on Tuesdays, I think, is the normal show, but I believe he just had Pulse Glazer on as a guest. um Anyway, great. Great show by somebody with a radio DJ experience and kind of a casual spin on the game, but also a longtime comics fan and a big MCU fan.
02:06:01
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um If you would like to figure out how to get into that Discord, the instructions are in the show notes or video description. And if you want to hear about Ben's journey through the Golden Gauntlet 2, tune in next week.
02:06:16
Speaker
Same Snap time, same Snap channel.
Personal Stories and Event Preparations
02:06:23
Speaker
You want to tell us any of your cool wedding stuff, Lauren? Yeah. Cool wedding stuff. You know, I mean, it's all cool because it's your wedding. That's just assumed, Lauren.
02:06:38
Speaker
Yeah. Sure. Today had my bachelorette party. It was just my kid and i My kid is my Reggie of Honor. Aww. Aww. Yep, that was that was ah Reggie's choice for the title.
02:06:51
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I wore a bride pin as we went to
02:06:57
Speaker
beach-themed arcade today. It's a place that we went to a lot, like, ten years ago. um So it was kind of nostalgic and fun, and we did, like, arcade games and laser tag and mini putt, but it was croquet.
02:07:12
Speaker
um That was very fun. Yeah. Was there a castle in the mini croquet? What was the themed? It was like Utah themed, so it was like desert. It was a little But that's what you already have there. The whole point is to have dragons and trogdor and shit that you don't have in the real world. I'm very disappointed, though.
02:07:35
Speaker
Or space. I mean, it doesn't have... Anyway. The laser tag had a, I don't know, maybe this is standard. It's not something I've experienced before. They had a little, like, thing you could push on the side of the gun that would give it a laser sight. That was cool. Oh, yeah?
02:07:49
Speaker
um I want to do laser tags so hard. I've never gotten to. Reggie's trying to tell me something. What? a but like different types of things you could use i used to shield a lot Oh, there were settings on the gun. I didn't use them at all, but apparently Regu was using the shield, and maybe that's why i got my ass kicked in so many of our scrimmishes.
02:08:13
Speaker
Yeah, there I knew there was like um a rapid fire also, but I just, I was laser focused. Next level comedy. i love it. My bachelorette party is so sparse because my sister gets in like late tomorrow, I think.
02:08:30
Speaker
And it was just like too close to the wedding. So we're doing a sibling board game night. Is the same one who used to snitch on you when you were creating custom characters? No. Okay.
02:08:41
Speaker
No. What board games are you playing? You should play Millennium Blades. It's a mini card collecting game. No, don't play it. It's too much for one. No.
02:08:53
Speaker
It mimics the whole cycle of the card game collection experience. It made me, Ben's stuff made me think of it. Sorry. Continue with your wedding stuff. So it's like Tuesday or something like that. We're doing the bachelorette party, even though I will be married at that time.
02:09:06
Speaker
i My sister lives out of state. My other siblings are in Utah, but my my sister's out of state. And so I've like really wanted to get sibling time. Um, and we all we all love board games so that's the obvious thing to do we are also doing like a magical themed escape room and then we're doing board games um i'm not sure what we'll play um my favorite for like casual four player is quacks of quidlinburg probably a better yeah some variant of wingspan there's also worm span and fin span those are all fun um wait fin span haven't heard of that one is a fish one
02:09:44
Speaker
It's fish, yeah. And like difficulty wise, fin span is the easiest one. Worm span is the most complex one. Is it like pretty fish or boring fish? Is it like salmon or is it like fancy goldfish?
02:09:56
Speaker
There's a lot of fancy ones. lot of weirdos, a lot of like creepy abyssal creatures. And yeah, it's great. Not to knock salmon. They're very sturdy, hardworking creatures. Okay. Sorry. feel bad now. feel like I've insulted salmon.
02:10:10
Speaker
You know, all the salmon that listen to our podcast. I know, but, like, they work so hard to go upstream, and it's, like, one of those, like, penguins march moments, and it's like, aw, did I just, I didn't mean to pick on salmon. It was just the first thing that came to mind for, like, a not super pretty.
02:10:26
Speaker
Okay. All right, I'm done.
02:10:31
Speaker
So between those, there will be a wedding and a short honeymoon. And look forward to having that one-on-one time Jess.
02:10:45
Speaker
My brother is officiating and also house-sitting. And babysitting. Yeah. it'll be It'll be a great weekend. We don't get away very often. I'm a homebody. i like staying in.
02:10:59
Speaker
But, you know, we'll have a little taste of adventure. We're not leaving Utah, but it'll be fun. Oh, that sounds lovely.