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The Run Testers Podcast | Running Tech
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In the fifth episode of the podcast, Tom, Mike and Kieran are focussing on tech, from the best watches for beginners to the headphones you should be looking at for your runs. They'll also be talking about their recent marathons, the latest running shoes and answering your questions in the Q&A section.
Perfect for that Sunday long run.
Big thanks to Fear of Tigers for the killer intro music. You can listen to more of his stuff over at https://www.patreon.com/fearoftigers
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Transcript
Introduction to Running Tech
00:00:04
Speaker
Hey guys, Tommy from The Run Testers with our monthly podcast. In this episode, we're going to be focusing a little bit more on running tech. So Kieran, Mike and myself are going to be talking through things like headphones, watches, and just discussing what the best options are for anyone looking for a new piece of tech to make their running a little bit easier. So if you're listening to this podcast and tech is your focus, then it's going to be a good one.
00:00:28
Speaker
As well as that, we're still going to be doing the usual bits and pieces. We're going to be talking about the latest running news, the latest kit that's coming out. We're going to have some more running facts. And if you're listening to the podcast, you're going to get all of the questions and answers from viewers and listeners that have sent us questions in that we've answered. So I hope you enjoy it and let's dive in.
Focus on Running Gadgets
00:01:01
Speaker
Okay, guys, we're back for the fifth run testers podcast. And this podcast is going to be slightly different than the last few we've done. We're going to focus a bit more on tech in this podcast. Still going to answer questions on shoes. We're still going to talk about the latest kit coming out, but we're going to try and.
00:01:17
Speaker
really focus on a few tech issues in this one. So if you're listening to this podcast and you want to find out about the coolest new watches and things coming out, then this is the podcast for you. So training, we've had a pretty big month for racism training across the board, basically.
Running by Feel: Kieran's Marathon
00:01:32
Speaker
Kieran, you've come back from the Danube, you've got a new sense of life for training. What have you been up to recently? What races have you been doing? How have you been training?
00:01:42
Speaker
got a bit sort of the other way away from the sort of tech and watches and I've been, I've done three races. I've run them all on feel. So I've worn watches, but I've covered them and just sort of run as my body would allow just to see as an experiment to see whether that works out easier, faster, more fun. I just did the Abingdon marathon, marathon, which is my third test. And I came in at three oh one running entirely on feel. And it's like a couple of four minutes outside of my PB, but had a brilliant race. You know, it was actually really, really
00:02:10
Speaker
I didn't have any of the mad suffering that you normally get with doing this. And it was, it was wet. It was a bit twisty, but it's actually really enjoyable. So things might be the first time I've ever run a negative split. So I'm pretty happy with that. Wow. So when did you originally run your PB? So my, my original kind of PB was back in Seville. So that was like a two 57 something. So I didn't beat that. For context, I ran this Abingdon marathon course about four years ago, tried to run a sub three.
00:02:39
Speaker
based on pacing, got to 17 miles and absolutely, Henrich blew up and came in in 311. Yesterday did the opposite and just ran evenly the whole way on feel and came in 301. I think I went into it roughly with a sort of similar amount of kind of fitness. So I think it's just an interesting one too. An interesting different way perhaps to race. Yeah, yeah. What did you, I think we ran together. Was it, I went to Seville, was it that year that you did your PB?
00:03:04
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, perfect PB course that yeah. And how have you found because after you did Seville, you have run marathons after Seville, haven't you? And you didn't know did you do those based on training? Or did you just sort of enjoy those? Yeah, I mean, I've tried quite a few times to go sub three again. But I think it's always one of those things. If you're trained not quite right, you're kind of on that you're always running on that sort of trigger where it can
00:03:29
Speaker
it can all go terribly wrong really quickly. And then you end up running kind of like three and a half hours or something. And that's happened to me quite often, even if I have done sort of serious blocks of training. I guess for this one, the difference with Abingdon is I did the marathons along the Danube, did all of those miles very low and slow. I didn't really do any specific marathon training in terms of speed work or intervals. And I just came in to see what I would get. And I, it's been a bit of a surprise really that you, by running lots of low slow, low heart rate runs,
00:03:58
Speaker
that you can get near your fastest times. It's been really interesting. Cool. And what's the next thing on the list then? Are you actually going to continue that for another race or have you not got any other races coming up? Well, Tom, I've basically got to go and beat 255 now, haven't I? Well, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Good luck with that. I don't really know. I'm not really sure what comes next. I think I'll probably book in like a spring marathon and see what I can do. But I quite fancy
00:04:28
Speaker
looking at going after my 100 mile time as well. I've done 100 miles in 27 hours. And I'd like to get round in under 24 as that's kind of one of the targets and
00:04:38
Speaker
Whilst I'm fit from the Danube, I think that would be an interesting one to have a look at. Cool. And Mike, you're well, we're both back about a
Mike's Chicago Marathon Adventure
00:04:46
Speaker
week ago. We got back from America. Yeah. Nice little holiday. Very nice. Well, most non-relaxing holiday I've probably ever had, as my girlfriend will say as well. But yeah, we both got back from running Chicago and had a little bit of a trip afterwards, had some beers and over in New Orleans. How are you feeling after the marathon?
00:05:06
Speaker
All right, I definitely think, I mean, I think I'm now just about adjusting to the, I mean, getting rid of the jet lag kind of side of things. Um, I, I found it tough coming back and running a couple of days. I think I did my first run in the, in that, in the Nova Bloss 3TR and I wanted to get really hard in that. And I just, after about a K it was like, no, my body doesn't want to do that. So I definitely need to ease back in, but yeah, no, I enjoyed it. Enjoyed Chicago. Obviously the video's up now and stuff of how we got on and how you got on Tom and, uh,
00:05:34
Speaker
Yeah, now I'm just kind of itching to get back to kind of into some kind of training. I'm already kind of thinking about, you know, I want to do a spring marathon. I'm not sure which one yet, but there will be something. And then I think before the end of the year, I think maybe you want to have a look at kind of tackling my 5k and 10k times. I had some times in mines beginning of the year. And you know, if I can go out and get off to those before the end of the year, I'd be pretty happy. So yeah, just out. Yeah. Plenty of tractor training, man.
00:06:01
Speaker
Basically, yeah, first track session today. I always think winter, Christmas time is perfect for 5 and 10Ks because that does take a lot of time. Whilst training for Chicago, I think that's the first time I've probably trained for a race.
00:06:19
Speaker
Normally, when I do marathons, I'll do a spring one. This is the first time I've trained over the summer for a marathon, and I've significantly enjoyed it a lot more, just because you just have way more free time. I don't really like running around at night. I'm moving towards the same thing as well, where I just do short distance over winter, because I don't want to leave the house that much. How did you boys find the course out in Chicago?
Chicago Marathon Course Insights
00:06:46
Speaker
You obviously ran really good times,
00:06:48
Speaker
as it compared to some of the other races you've done? I'd say I always bang on about Spanish marathons being the best because they say wide you don't have to worry about like bottlenecks and stuff like that you often get in UK races I would put it down quite similar to a Spanish marathon just because
00:07:07
Speaker
I actually had a chat to Kifuzzi, which is on the video. I had a chat to him about the race beforehand. And one of the things I was worried about because I've ran London a few times is being in the slightly wrong area at the start and then being stuck in a bottleneck for like the first two or three kilometers because those roads can get quite thin. But I thought Chicago was fantastic. As soon as you start off, you've got loads of space. I was in the wrong pen at the start. I was at the back of the pen.
00:07:34
Speaker
I shouldn't have been because of a few issues with the toilet before. But yeah, I just thought it was fantastic. It's not a completely flat race, but the hills are actually
00:07:46
Speaker
pretty nice. I found it was quite nice to have a tiny little uphill and then a little bit of a downhill afterwards. It sort of kept me going, but I absolutely loved the course. It was fantastic. And we had a perfect day for it. It couldn't be better. Yeah, it was a good day. There was more bottlenecks in the toilet queues, right, Tom, than there were on the... Yeah, I really... All right, so I basically was in a queue for the toilet. Now,
00:08:07
Speaker
half a kilometer from my start pen at two minutes to my start time and I was chatting to these people and they all let me go in first and I had to literally sprint from the toilet all the way to the start line and I had no idea. It was people just waving me through gates and stuff like that. Not the start you want for a PB attempt. It worked. It worked, I need to do that again. That's gonna be my strategy from now on.
00:08:32
Speaker
No, I enjoyed the course. I think it's a very good course, probably one of the best supported marathons. It's my first US marathon as well and the biggest concern with me is really kind of the early start but actually in terms of the time difference and the kind of jet lag actually worked out really nicely but I thought it was a really nice
00:08:49
Speaker
A really nice course. One I would definitely recommend to people if you can get into it. I absolutely support some of the best signage I've seen at a race without a doubt. So they go all out in Chicago for that run.
00:09:02
Speaker
Yeah, I loved it. Although I think Chicago is massively affected by weather, isn't it? So if you get it on a bad day, then you're open to the elements and probably wouldn't have had as much as a happy experiences as we did. Cool. Well, if you if any listeners or viewers want to find out more about those races, then we've got videos on the channel for those and.
00:09:21
Speaker
There should be, by the time this podcast goes out, a video where myself and Mike talk about our training as well for Chicago Marathon, so check those out on the channel.
Young Marathoner: Budhyat Singh
00:09:29
Speaker
Okay, well let's just have a quick running fact. Kieran, this is the first time you've been on the podcast with running facts, so we're sort of scraping the barrel for them now, but gotta keep going. Running facts!
00:09:44
Speaker
So apparently the youngest marathoner in the world is Budhyat Singh, who completed 48 marathons before his fifth birthday, which I think is more impressive than Dhannub, isn't it? I mean, yeah, that sounds extraordinary to me. Is that real? Well, there's quite a lot online about this. So I actually, normally I don't actually verify these facts, but apparently he's also at the age of five, ran 65 kilometers in seven hours and two minutes. That's two of these things a year.
00:10:15
Speaker
I mean, you don't start walking until you're two, right? I mean, when I say I've verified this, I've read some stuff just to back it up. But I don't know how we ran those marathons or anything. Virtual, virtual, virtual racing.
00:10:36
Speaker
I don't think they're actual races. I'm not sure the rules are where he comes from, but I don't imagine both marathons allow under five year olds to run. If you can push the buggy, perhaps, maybe, yeah. Well, that might be it. That might be it. All right, cool. So there we go. Another one of those in a bit. Let's jump into running news.
McColgan's Record Issue
00:11:03
Speaker
OK, so in the world of running, a few things have been happening over the past month. One of these things, which has been a lot of chat about since it happened, is Colgan having an issue with her record. And I can't remember where this race was. Where was it? Scotland. Yeah, it's a great Scottish run. Great Scottish run. And yeah, the course turned out to be 150 metres short due to human error. And I think Liz McColgan ran a second under her record time.
00:11:33
Speaker
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00:12:01
Speaker
How would you feel? I'd have gone around smashing walls. I think her response really was in line with the fact that she still has the record, so that's probably why she was in there. A bit more comfortable with it. I'm still amazed that these big races get it wrong. It should be that at the base level of any race you put on at that scale, that's the thing that you should be 100% on. There's things that you can be a bit...
00:12:29
Speaker
dodgy about, or miss, but that ruins it for everyone, really, doesn't it? It's such a big problem. We've seen it a couple of times over the past few years. How do they actually, I was thinking about this the other day, running Abadu, how do they actually do it? Are they, someone literally out there, like Nick was with the trundle wheel. I think you'd have to be. I think you'd have to be. I think that's the only accurate way you could do it, because you're always going to have an element of, I mean, you could do it on a mapping software, couldn't you? But even then,
00:12:58
Speaker
There's room for actually 150 meters isn't a lot to be out, you know. Yeah.
00:13:04
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Really good. Yeah. All right then. And then Freddie Ovett, who knows about this one. I don't know anything about this one. I just saw his pop up on my Twitter and I thought it was pretty good. I mean, Freddie Ovett obviously has got a very famous dad in Steve Ovett, who's obviously a gold winner, middle distance, kind of, you know, absolute legend. And his son is a very, very good cyclist and he's just kind of rocked up to a plenty of mountains and run a very good time, a very quick time, which I think is great. And I think obviously
00:13:34
Speaker
you know, that whole kind of cyclist running debate and who's fit and who can, you know, I think it, I think I found it quite interesting that he's just gone and kind of turned his hands to doing a half marathon and done a very quick half marathon. Very impressive. Good genes. Someone else, another cyclist who's crossed over, more controversial, Lance Armstrong, I was looking at, he's done a 246 marathon, according to the internet.
00:14:03
Speaker
Damn it, he's beating me. You may have had some help, Tom. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, well, that's for the next day. Cool. All right, well, one more. I've got two more quickly. George W. Bush, before he became president, ran a 344, and Gordon Ramsay,
00:14:25
Speaker
Well, you've just jumped ahead because I was actually going to do a little quiz. Oh, you ruined the quiz. But luckily, I've got two lots. So you've mentioned some of the sort of general runners that have been doing them over the years. Let's do a little bit of quiz. The problem with this is I don't know how these people are. But the most recent London marathon, I'm going to give you a celebrity. You give me a guess as to what time you think they got in a London marathon.
00:14:53
Speaker
And also, you might have to explain to me who they are. So, James Kratnall, that's an easy one. What did James Kratnall do? 245. I'll go 305. Well, according to the TSC London Marathon app, he didn't finish and he'd go 15.5 miles. So there you go. Sam Bird, Formula E driver. It's a sport, I assumed you'd know. I'm going to play with the three.
00:15:22
Speaker
For that. Oh, it's three hours. 3.38. 3.18. Oh, yeah. I see I can find someone you'd actually know. Eamonn Choudry. BBC Two's Race Across the World winner. Do you know that person?
00:15:39
Speaker
Where are all the big celebs doing the runs, doing London Mountain? Come on. I don't think there are many. They've got Sophie Rayworth, but she was injured. So how do you think Sophie Rayworth would do injured? 3.30. 2.54.
00:15:59
Speaker
Three, five, two. Danny Mills, you'll know who that is. I know Danny Mills. How did Danny Mills do? I don't know. His son's very quick, isn't he? He's in the on-team, isn't he? One of the on-track teams. So I reckon... I met him at the... He was at the on-event, but we went to... I reckon he did three, 20 football. Three, 15.
00:16:22
Speaker
I'm going 3.15. 3.18, very good guess. I know. All of these sports people that are sort of trying their hand at running generally get around that time, I find. Base fitness, I guess, you know. Yeah, they've got enough to get to that, yeah. And then let's do one last one, and I've no idea who this is, but you might. Kate Lawler was apparently the first female winner of Big Brother. Oh, yeah. How fast did she do it? 3.35, I'm going to say. I'd say over four hours.
00:16:51
Speaker
Way off, 5.20. There we go. Okay, that'll do for the celebrities running the London Marathon. Let's get back to what's been going on in the world of running.
00:17:08
Speaker
So, let's talk about running kit that's coming up. We're not going to go into too much detail on these. This is just a bit of news about the kit that's been released over the past month that we're looking at or we're planning to look at. First thing we've got on the list is the New Balance SC Elite V2. Mike, is it you and me who've got this, or have you got this as well, Kieran? Oh, it's a V3, isn't it? Yeah. Mine, I believe, are inbound, but yeah, not on them yet. Okay, so I've done, you've done a run of this, haven't you, Mike? Yeah, I did a...
00:17:36
Speaker
10k in it at the weekends,
Innovate's Trailfly G280 Review
00:17:38
Speaker
I think. Yeah, yeah. 10k in it at the weekends. Yeah. So this is basically the follow-up to the RC Elite V2, which was a very popular shoe, but a little bit of a divisive shoe because it was very, very soft, very cushioned. And I know Jill's a big fan of it, but it didn't really work for me when I was racing in it. The Elite V3 is a little bit different than that. It's more similarities to the trainer, the fuel comp.
00:18:03
Speaker
trainer that came out and it's got this sort of energy arc technology in it. So we will be testing that over the next few weeks and then doing full review and some versus on it. The Innovate 8 Trailfly G280 or 280. Don't know how you pronounce it. I don't know anything about this. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's essentially, it's the 280 is essentially how much it weighs. So it's like a, sort of a lighter weight.
00:18:27
Speaker
sort of trail, road to trail crossover shoe. It's the first shoe to have nitrogen infused midsole. So we've seen sort of graphene infused midsole with the G300 Max. So it's got a nitrogen infused midsole. It's supposed to be a little bit softer, I believe, than it's got. It's still got the graphene grip on the outsole, like I think four mil lugs. It's got a slightly higher drop than some of the other innovate shoes that tend to come in quite low at kind of, they're often around kind of four mils.
00:18:54
Speaker
And this is, yeah, so I guess the big news there is, you know, that nitrogen infused midsole, the first time we've sort of seen that. And I get the feeling, Mike, I know you've run in it as well, but this is sort of innovate, trying to move away maybe from a reputation of having shoes that are run a little firm and doing something that could be a bit more versatile, I guess. Definitely. I mean, I actually, I
00:19:15
Speaker
I met the guys out at UTMB when they gave me a pair and I think obviously we've seen this in road shoes like Puma and Brooks are kind of using these types, this type of kind of infused kind of foams and I think you know what they've kind of said to me is that a lot of their shoes are kind of aimed around kind of
00:19:33
Speaker
ultra runners and giving them that kind of maybe something a little bit different in that feeling. I think they ultimately want to see the shoe as working for a range of distances and offering something a little bit different from what they have in their other range. It kind of sits in the middlewood swing, the kind of lower drop one, and that kind of big tank that they have of a kind of a trail shoe as well. So yeah, it's one I'm looking forward to putting a bit more kind of running time in. And yeah, I think the whole nitrogen views, midsole,
00:19:59
Speaker
As a trend, I think maybe we'll see a little bit more over the coming year on that front as well. My favourite thing about it so far is that it's also got a big roomy toe box, which is not something necessarily always associated with Innovate. It's really spacious, so it's pretty good. All right, then. I'll detect then. Kieran, you've been testing the Sun 2 9 Peak Pro.
Sun 2 9 Peak Pro: A Review
00:20:19
Speaker
How's that going? I've had that joy. Oh, it's gone like other suntoes, to be honest.
00:20:26
Speaker
You know, this is a watch on paper. It's got, you know, some good things about it. It's got a decent kind of battery life, sort of 40 hours in kind of regular GPS mode. It extends to 70 hours in endurance mode and you can get up to 300 hours if you go to the really low kind of tour mode. It's got navigation. It's kind of, it comes in around sort of 550 pounds if you get the titanium version. My big problem, and it's actually the really interesting about it, they've sort of put out, it's the first watch that was carbon footprint calculated. So that's, it's calculated an offset.
00:20:56
Speaker
And the total life cycle CO2 emissions are seven and a half kilograms for this watch, which I think is really interesting to see watch brands starting to do this follow suit maybe with some of the shoe brands we've seen and starting to be a bit more transparent about the cost to the environment of the products that are being made. So I would like, you know, I personally think it'd be a great thing if this sort of drew in other brands to sort of follow suit so we could make smarter decisions in and around the environment as well. I think as a watch,
00:21:24
Speaker
I mean, I've been done the first kind of run test is on the, on the, um, channel right now. I think since I was just being left behind a little bit, you know, it's still got quite an old school display. He's got a big bezel and it just doesn't feel like it's moved on enough. And there's so many, you know, chorus and Garmin have jumped on, I'd say leaps and bounds. So full review for this is coming on the channel within the next sort of couple of weeks, you'll get my tool take on it. But, um, yeah, it's maybe not the best watch you've ever run with.
00:21:52
Speaker
Okay, well look forward to that one then. And then from mid-level watches that probably aren't the best to ridiculously expensive watches, Mike, these Garmin Mark GED II. Are you going to be looking at this?
00:22:05
Speaker
Yeah so actually I think when we did the last podcast I had just come back from Lisbon where they did the announcement but I wasn't allowed to talk about it then so I am allowed to talk about it now. It is the second generation mark it is kind of tagged as a kind of luxury tool watch it's over a grand again so obviously there's there's different versions of it there is the kind of the more running focused one will be the athlete again
00:22:29
Speaker
the main things that I kind of think stand out they're changing in terms of materials it's very much kind of design based so they're using an improved kind of titanium kind of case for all the models the most interesting feature I take because essentially it's the epix 2 with a nicer design that you know you're paying for those materials but there is one feature I think is quite interesting and it's this jet lag covery advisor which is kind of fueled by
00:22:51
Speaker
first beat who Garmin bought, so it's kind of heart rate based, but also it's very much focused on sleep, so the idea is that it would have been ideal if we were going to Chicago, basically, so if we had to use it, so you would put in when you're going to travel, you know, when your race is, and it would kind of offer recommendations around that time, kind of give you the ideal kind of sleep that maybe you should be looking at.
00:23:12
Speaker
like tips on kind of nutrition and caffeine and i think that for me was the thing i took out from that and i think you know i'm told that will come to the other other watches so the epics and the phoenix as well it's just whether it when it will be but i think for me from a software point of view that's probably the most interesting thing but elsewhere you know it is essentially an epics too it's got a color screen similar levels of battery life maybe slightly better but yeah you're basically paying for the design that should you pay for the design
00:23:38
Speaker
Probably not probably go for an epics or a phoenix and would probably be my initial take so far And how much do you say cost or will cost over a thousand? I mean they can go up upwards of a thousand pounds. So they are not cheap. I'll probably skip that one Okay, let's finish off section with another interesting fact running
00:24:02
Speaker
Apparently, before the 1960s, drinking water was strictly prohibited from races shorter than 10 miles in the United Kingdom and Europe. It was believed that drinking water would make a runner weak. Any thoughts on that? What were they allowed to drink? Do you agree? Yeah, definitely. That sounds like a smart hydration strategy. Not sure how it would make them weak.
00:24:26
Speaker
I suppose if they were drinking gallons of water before a race, that's probably the limit. That's an interesting one, that. Yeah. Can't think of the logic about how that started. Good job that's changed. Well, yeah, they didn't bring that back in. OK, so that's the running news.
00:24:53
Speaker
Okay guys so different gear this month we're going to be talking mainly about tech that is out first bit we're going to just sort of run through the news what's going on in the world of tech at the moment so Mike let's start off with Hawaii adding Strava integration what's going on here
Huawei's Strava Integration
00:25:09
Speaker
Yeah I think they finally listened to what I've written in my reviews and they've added your Strava integration. So I think before you kind of had a little bit of a work around with the kind of third party app and now they are saying you can officially with their watches send your your data over to Strava basically. So that'll work because all the watches we've tested on the channel recently which I think is great because I think actually though from a running point of view they're very strong running watches. There's a few little things where they need to improve but ultimately
00:25:36
Speaker
this is one of the things that would make it a better watch. And so it's good to see that Huawei have actually added official support now. Excellent. And Amaze Fit, as the resident Amaze expert, external heart rate monitors. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of a similar thing with what I was saying about Huawei. These two brands, I think, are building very good running watches and smart watches. And I think Amaze Fit are definitely there and thereabouts. And I think they're learning. They're looking at what else everyone's doing. They're listening to the feedback.
00:26:05
Speaker
and they have for their latest watches the GCR4 which I've got at the moment they've added the ability to pair external horror models which you haven't been able to do in the Amaze fit range before. Now I've again had very good experience running with these watches and there's been a few things where they've lacked but I think overall they've offered a very good experience.
00:26:23
Speaker
This is another element to make it a better running watch. The heart rate hasn't been fantastic. It's been good, but not great. So the fact that they are looking or adding this support now, I think is a really big thing because I think there is a foundation of a very good running focus smartwatch there. So it's good that they're listening and they're adding these types of features to their watches.
00:26:42
Speaker
Well, looking forward to your updates on that since you seem to know everything that's going on in the world of Amazfit. And then we've got an update from the from the world of Coros, which is an interesting one.
Coros Pod: Enhancing Data Accuracy
00:26:54
Speaker
Kieran, do you want to update us on what's happening there? Yeah, the pod is back. So they had an original pod, but it seemed to be just sort of discontinued a while back and it was quite hard to get hold of. Essentially, you've now got a pod which can sit on the foot or be worn on the waist and
00:27:09
Speaker
In a nutshell, what it's really designed to do is to give you better fidelity of information than you were gathering. So it will fill in the gaps. Maybe if you're in a city running through a place where the GPS drops out, it will plug the gaps in the data and the information. So you're going to get more accurate instant pace is what Corus say. So real-time pacing should be better when you're using this in combination with a watch. It's better in for indoors accuracy. So treadmill runs, it's supposed to do that and offer more consistency in the cities. It doesn't offer power measurements. So that's where it sort of maybe deviates from something like the stride.
00:27:39
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You're going to get 28 hours of runtime on one of these on a single charge. And yeah, I mean, I guess it'd just be interesting to see if you can put something that's quite small, quite compact, just to bring a bit more real-time pacing information to your watches. So interesting. I think it's coming up at 99 pounds and $99. Not very useful when you're running on field. Well, no. I mean, yeah.
00:28:03
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I mean, you just use your heart. Just use your own emotions, Tom. You don't need pods, right? I don't have any emotions. Never going to work. I'll get the pod. And then Apple. Apple have been up to quite a bit recently. We've been talking about the Apple Watch Ultra quite a lot. What's going on in the world of Apple at the moment? So they've done a bunch of updates to the Fitness Plus program. And one of the interesting things I thought that sort of jumped out to me was they've launched a new suite of training sessions for yoga for runners.
00:28:32
Speaker
And they've budded up with Scott Durek, sort of famous ultra runner. And they've launched a series of 10 minute long sessions that you can follow. It's yoga specifically designed for all those bits that runners struggle with. So looking at kind of glue activation, you know, it's got mobility and warm up for ankles, for tight shoulders and neck. And so they've really, the idea is they've zeroed in on all the bits that you need to look at as a runner to fix and design these really short yoga sessions that are supposed to be a bit more accessible.
00:29:01
Speaker
Now, I'm someone I can't. I've always struggled to get into any kind of yoga, because I just find it a little bit too difficult. It moves too fast. But I've known that I really need to. I can't touch my toes. I think it would really benefit my running. So I'm definitely going to have a go at these. I'm really interested to see if they've managed to actually make yoga approachable. I reckon there's a lot of runners out there who probably would like to be better at it, but sort of feel a bit intimidated. So maybe this will bridge the gap. Nice. Anything else going on with Apple at the moment? And then they've also just
00:29:31
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When they brought the Apple Watch Ultra out, there was kind of four power settings muted. And they've only just, one of them was a really kind of low power mode that really extends the battery life. And that's only just kind of been rolled out now. It didn't come with the original kind of updates. And that essentially is going to give like fewer GPS and heart rate readings and extend the battery life up to 60 hours. It's, yeah, and the interesting thing is it's basically designed for walking and hiking, I think more than running.
00:29:59
Speaker
but I think it does give you a little bit potentially a bit more kind of longevity if you're going to go for some sort of maybe fast packing running or sort of ultra long kind of run hike. So again, it'd be interesting just to test that out. Yeah, I think they're talking kind of smartwatch battery life as opposed to kind of GPS battery life. So it's, like Kieran said, it's giving you a bit more in terms of probably if you're hiking and where it might be more useful.
00:30:25
Speaker
Definitely addressing those battery concerns that most people tend to have when it comes to Apple devices. Another running fact then, Oscar Wilde apparently was forced to run on a treadmill during his two year prison sentence. Doesn't seem like a very bad thing to do.
00:30:40
Speaker
Although I don't like generals very much though, so... What incline? What incline was that? There's no details on the incline or how fast he was running. I'd love to have seen how that went down. Just a man on a treadmill. I see that all the time in the gym.
00:31:03
Speaker
Okay then, let's dive into some chat about basically giving advice to the listeners and the viewers about what sort of tech they should be looking at at the moment. So let's dive in and talk about what do you guys think is the current best running watch for, I would put down as advanced level runners. So seasoned runners that have sort of goals in mind, they know how to train. What watch would you go for if you were one of those people?
00:31:31
Speaker
I think if you've got money to spend, I think for me it would be the $4.9955, so the $4.9955. You're essentially, I think for value at that top end, that's giving you the best value in terms of
00:31:48
Speaker
the level of features you're getting, the level of analysis and training, kind of insights that you're getting as well. The level of battery life I think is going to last someone who's doing regular amount of training during a week and maybe a bit longer and doesn't want to charge. For me, that is probably the one that I would say. And I think things like training readiness and HIV states, I think are really kind of compelling things to have now as part of that kind of preparation in terms of your running and your training. So I think for me, the 955,
00:32:16
Speaker
is probably the one that I would say. And I think if you're looking a little bit further down, but still, I would still consider an advanced running watch. I think the 400 255 is going to serve most people well. And I think you're still getting a good level of training. You're not getting the mapping kind of support you're getting in that 955.
00:32:34
Speaker
which is probably the biggest kind of thing you'll get, you're kind of losing out on features-wise. Those are the watches that I would probably be saying to someone, look, if you're really putting in the training, you really want that insight and that level of data, then those are the kind of watches that I would be saying first and foremost to look at. Kieran, what do you think? I kind of tend to agree with a lot of what Mike just said in terms of that kind of sweet spot and the money.
00:33:01
Speaker
I guess it depends, if money's no object, then for me, I think the Enduro 2 is, you know, it's an absolute beast of a watch that does everything you're gonna need. It's enormously expensive, you know, it's coming close to a thousand pounds. But I think what might be interesting for people to also look at, if you want a little bit more headroom and you want a bit more kind of the all-round package, is just to look a generation back. You know, I think the original Enduro is a very, very compelling watch. And that's, you can pick that up now for around 500 pounds.
00:33:30
Speaker
even going back a generation of the Phoenix might be interesting because, you know, you're going to get good value for the feature set. So yeah, you don't necessarily have to go for the kind of latest ones of those top and just drop a generation down. But yeah, I think for most for most runners, something like the 255 or 955 will do it.
00:33:49
Speaker
going to talk about it in a sec but throw into that I think that even the Corus pace too. Yeah and I think also if you really aren't sold on and if you've used the gun before you're really not sold on any kind of element of it. I think the Polar watches that I've tested at this year, I think the Polar pace of Pro is a really good one. I think you're getting pretty much a lot, most of the good stuff from the Vantage series and the Grit X.
00:34:11
Speaker
For a lot less money in a package that I feel is a nicer option for runners, and I think you're not losing a lot in terms of what you're paying. I still think you're getting that very good Polar running experience. If you're not really sold on Garmin, and we're going to talk about Coros as well, but I think the Polar Pacer Pro is another one to look at as well. There's probably elements that are not quite as slick, I think, in terms of execution, in terms of software and things, but there's still loads and features that you're getting there that you're not really seeing on the Garmin that I think is worth looking at as well.
00:34:41
Speaker
Nice. I would. I'd probably agree with you, Mike, on the 955. I've been using the 955 for the last five months, and I've absolutely loved it. It's been fantastic. Used it for Chicago Marathon, used it for my training. And I think that's the thing. We've mentioned Garmin quite a lot in talking about the higher end premium advanced level stuff. I think they still sort of own that area very nicely. When you get into those realms, I definitely want a Garmin.
00:35:08
Speaker
for 955 or the Phoenix 7 or something like that. I'm going with you on that one, Mike. I'm saying 955 is my top pick for... And this is coming from an Epic's user, so I would definitely suggest spending less as well.
00:35:21
Speaker
Yeah, excellent. Okay. And well, let's jump to the other side of the scale. If you are somebody who maybe has just started running, maybe isn't really seasoned when it comes to training and tracking, what watch would you go for that's cost-effective and delivers enough for those people?
00:35:39
Speaker
I mean I think we're going to probably agree on this and I think that the Corus Paste II, the Corus Paste II when that launch has pretty much forced other watch brands to realise we've got to offer better at that price point and the price point that the Corus Paste II sits you're now getting better options alongside it but I think ultimately when the Corus Paste II came out in terms of what you're getting in terms of performance, in terms of the battery life, in terms of the features and also the fact that Corus is
00:36:06
Speaker
making sure that the updates that you're getting are as consistent across all of its watches and that also feeds into the pace too as well. I think it is really important here, you don't feel like you're missing out on loads, you don't have the mapping and navigation support that you have on those pricier Corus watches but pretty much that core experience is very very similar and I think that's really important and that's what really makes it I think really stand out at that kind of entry level kind of price point.
00:36:31
Speaker
I'd agree, really. And I think the great thing about the Chorus Paste II, and I'd always advise kind of runners who are just coming in, even though you might just be beginning and starting out, if there's a chance that you're going to kind of fall in love with running and you're going to progress your running, and a lot of people do, I'd recommend buying a device that gives you a little bit of headroom to grow into. And I think the Chorus Paste II does that without costing you an awful lot more than some of the really kind of basic, basic watches that, you know, might be closer to £100. So you've got room to grow as a runner.
00:36:59
Speaker
And the features will sort of take you along as you get better and you get more interest in some of the, I guess, the more kind of scientific element of the data and stuff in the Pace 2 offers that really, really nicely, I think. I guess the other one, for me, is like the Forerunner 255. A bit more expensive, but that gives you a little bit more kind of headroom to grow into. It's totally £99 without music.
00:37:21
Speaker
don't worry about the music but you know really good capable rounder with a good 30 hour battery life and a watch that's probably going to last you quite a while. Yeah I think it's a good point with the getting a watch that's not going to cap out very quickly. I've got a few friends that really got into running over the past year and a lot of them bought a watch when they started and they were either smart watches that weren't really designed for running or they were the sort of entry level
00:37:46
Speaker
watches that you can get and they very quickly realized by what by going running with me and going with other people that they just just wasn't giving them the information that they needed and now they're all looking at the Coros Pace 2 basically as a next step up. Yeah and I think just to kind of complete that I kind of think I think it's three there I think the Polar Pace as well kind of sits in that price range as well and I tested that after the Polar Pace of Pro and I think it again it's another really solid entry-level watch it does more than track runs and I think that's
00:38:15
Speaker
Polar are a bit weird about how they communicate, how these run, because all track swims and cycling as well, so you've got that kind of multi-sport element from it as well, like you do with the other watches. And you've got some of that really good kind of strong training analysis you get from Polar, which I think is a real win for them over some of the other brands, so you can get that kind of entry-level price bar, the Polar Pacer. So Polar Pacer coming up quite well there. Let's leave watches for now, and then we'll jump into headphones.
00:38:42
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Headphones is, I find, a very, very tricky area for people these days, because there's so many. And there's so many different price points, it's quite hard to work out which headphones to buy. And we've tested an awful lot of headphones over the past year or so. And yeah, it's a minefield trying to pick up the right pair for you. So if money wasn't an object, you're a runner, you want a pair of headphones that you can use for all of your runs, basically, what are you going to go for? You get one choice.
00:39:10
Speaker
Oh, that's a hard one. Okay, so based in terms, and I've tested a lot this year, pretty much on a weekly basis, so I think everything that's kind of stood out for me in terms of the level of performance and what I would actually use, I think, for runs and for races, I would probably say the Jabra Elite 4 Active, because I really like the 7s, but actually these come in less. They've pretty much got the same feature set, I think, in terms of the durability level, the battery,
00:39:36
Speaker
I like active noise cancellation, not everyone does. I do. And I think it's good enough. It's not the best out there, but it's very, very good. And I think you get a nice companion app there as well with Jabra. So I think if you want to personalise that sound a little bit more, then you do have that scope to do it. So for me, that's what I would probably go for. The sevens are great. I think the fours are equally as good as well for less money. Kieran, what have you got for us? Yeah, I mean, I like those two that Mike just mentioned, but I think the ones that I personally use all the time,
00:40:05
Speaker
still the Jaybird Vista 2. I just like the fact you get, you know, get a good battery life. It's about eight hours on the buds, 16 hours in the case, so it's a good sort of combination enough to cover a week, basically. I really like they've sort of gone to town with the extra smarts that you get within the app, find my buds, lots of kind of custom EQ, saving sound profiles. I like the fact that the case has a little toggle on it that you can attach to a belt clip. No, I mean, I like the fact that you've got rapid charging. The case is
00:40:35
Speaker
waterproof as well. So that's good for having it in your belt. And I think the sound quality is up there. And now, right now at the moment, I just checked this morning, you get them for £139, which is, you know, that's really competitive. There's one caveat to this, and that is there's a little bit of a durability question over them. And some people have problems keeping them charging. And what I found is the points, they don't always sit in the case and charge, you have to make sure they're very clean, well positioned in order to get that charge. So I know some people find that they have a bit of durability. I haven't, I've had a pair,
00:41:04
Speaker
that I've been using now since they came out and they're still going fine. So that is one caveat, but I really like those. I think there's another thing to mention about Jaybird as well is that, and it's been very quietly done, is that they are getting out of the sports headphone business. So, I mean, I don't know what that means for the long term for their headphones, but they're largely taking kind of the parent company pulling out of kind of doing sports headphones. So I think it's a shame because I think the Vista 2 is such a good headphone into kind of
00:41:33
Speaker
pull away from that business seems an odd one, but it looks like, you know what, I'm not sure what the long-term in the future and whether we're going to see more headphones from them. But as it stands, it's still a great set of sports headphones and some of the best for running. Yeah. Well, I have been, I imagine you're both the same. I've got a drawer with loads of different headphones in and the headphones that I pick up when I go out for a run are generally the one that I see that I want to wear straight away. And if I'm wearing that headphone,
00:41:59
Speaker
Consistently, I've basically cast that as the one I want to wear. Now, that was the Jaybird Vista 2s, but I've had issues with the Jaybird Vista 1 and 2s recently in that it keeps cutting out every time I'm listening to it within about 15-20 minutes.
00:42:12
Speaker
So I have reverted back to the Elite Four Active, and I'm absolutely loving them. I think they're fantastic. And for the price, there's nothing else I've got in my drawer that does the job as well. So, okay, so if you were on a budget for headphones, what would you go for? Kieran, do you want to go first? Sorry, yeah, okay. So yeah, I think one really interesting one, and these headphones are not necessarily designed specifically for running, actually.
00:42:40
Speaker
the Nothing Ear One that I've really enjoyed. They are basically £99, $99. They're super lightweight in terms of the buds. They've got a decent battery life and active noise cancellation. You've got up to 34 hours of kind of run time. And they just feel really nice in the ears. They deliver good sound. They're quite simple in terms of the extra features that you get, but there's enough on there, you know, to rival quite a lot. And I think they've lasted me really well as good durability.
00:43:09
Speaker
I just find them really comfortable to run in and under £100 I think they represent really nice value.
00:43:14
Speaker
I am going to go much cheaper than that. So I've tested a couple of headphones this year that I think really, really surprised me. So both from JLab, so the JLab Go Air Sport and the Epic Sport. So the difference is, it's in about 10 pounds. They sit about the 20, 30 pounds range, which immediately you'd think these are not going to be great. But actually in terms of what I got from sound performance, in terms of the fit, even with the non-winged wing tip versions, I found them really solid for running the controls.
00:43:42
Speaker
a hit and miss but i think you know you can adjust the sound the sound profile for me was very very good battery life was very good and it just shows you that you can pay that small amount of money and get very very good headphones and actually if i got if those are the headphones i had to run with i'd be absolutely fine with them you know we're kind of very fortunate situation we could test all these very expensive ones but those are the ones i had to stick to i'd be absolutely happy with those because in terms of the performance in terms of my testing they were
00:44:10
Speaker
they were really, really solid. So I would say the JLab Go Air Sport and the Epic Sport, which I've tested this year, I would definitely suggest is really cheap, but very good running headphones. I'm just going to say I haven't got any really cheap ones. I'll go for the Soundcore Liberty 3 Pros, which you can get quite cheap. I think they're £90 at the RRP, but you can get them quite a bit cheaper from what I've seen. And they're just a really good sounding pair of solid headphones.
00:44:34
Speaker
And I guess I guess we've got to talk about bone conduction because we know not everyone loves truly wireless. And I think the good thing is, you know, shocks are the leader in this space. And for good reason, I think, you know, they're not perfect. But I think in terms of the all round package, they're very good. But I have tested other bone conduction headphones this year. I think Neenka
00:44:52
Speaker
who are another brand and have done really good bone conduction headphones and I think offer sound. I think Philips' bone conduction headphones as well offer bigger sound than what I've experienced on the shocks as well. So I think the key thing for me is that there are other options out there outside of shocks. I think in terms of that all round experience, it's still very good on shocks and I think that's why most people will still lean to them as a brand for bone conduction headphones and having that awareness. But there are other options and just because they're a little bit cheaper doesn't mean they're not worth looking at as well.
00:45:22
Speaker
Okay, so that'll do us for tech chat this month, but before we finish, another fact for you. Running facts! And this doesn't even sound like a fact.
00:45:35
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Approximately 56% of people who run outdoors get a runny nose. Both cold and dry air have been shown to increase nasal mucous production. Where's that from? What's the source? There are no sources. There are official sources for these things. The website is like the dark web that I get this from. So there you go. That's 56%.
00:46:04
Speaker
So now we come to our podcast only section of the show and this is the questions. So every month we get loads of questions from listeners and viewers asking various things about shoes and kit and tech and quite often we don't have time to answer them all because we get quite a lot of them these days. So this is an opportunity for us to just run through a lot of the questions that you've sent through and answer them
00:46:29
Speaker
as quickly as we can, but so that everyone else can listen to the answers so that the question doesn't crop up again. So let's jump in. John Miller, he says, how do you think the Trium 20 compares with the Ride 15? Have you both got the Trium 20s?
00:46:46
Speaker
Yes, I've been running in them. I would say the Ride 15 is probably a little bit more versatile in terms of the kind of speed you could run in that shoe. I think the Triumph 20 definitely feels to me very much like a kind of cruising, kind of easy shoe. That's kind of how I would look at it, basically. There's not a huge, I think there's a few shoes in that kind of sock only collection that are very similar and that's what you get with the Triumph 20 and the Ride 50. But I would say maybe you can work it a little bit quicker
00:47:15
Speaker
in the Ride 15, I would say. Yes, I would agree. It's more of a daily shoe design. I wouldn't say it's the most versatile shoe out there, but it's definitely a lot more versatile than the Triumph 20. The Triumph 20 is a comfortable, cruising, easy day, cushioned shoe. It's fantastic at doing that.
00:47:35
Speaker
They're the main differences. Okay, Magdowitch says, in my country, the Nike React Infinity run Flyknit 3 and Nike Air Zoom Pegasus 39 are the same price. Which model is better? Either of you guys tried the Pegasus 39.
00:47:50
Speaker
Yeah, I've got that. And I've used the Flyknit as well. And I think for me, again, it's a little bit of a similar thing where I think the Pegasus 39 is a bit nicer, I think, to run some kind of quicker sessions in. I think they probably have similar characteristics in terms of feel, but I think...
00:48:07
Speaker
If I had to choose between the two, as a kind of daily trainer that you can work at a variety of paces, and actually, it's just usually you can just kind of wear around as well. I think it's quite nice as well. I think the Pegasus 39 probably stands out a little bit more. You've used them as well, Tom, right? I haven't used the 39s, I've only used the 38s. But from what I've heard from Nick as well, certainly sounds like the Pegasus 39 is getting a little bit more love than the Infiniti Run Fly on its rear, which is a fine shoe, it just,
00:48:35
Speaker
For me, the Infinity runs just a little bit, just doesn't really excel in any area. It's just a solid shoe with a bit of stability to it. Yeah. Okay, so there you go. Andor Kish says, and this is an interesting one because we've got a video coming up on this, Nova Blast 3 or Mach 5? Kieran, what do you think? I mean, this is an easy one for me, really. I'd like to throw the Mach 5. I've never entirely gotten on with an overblast sort of range. I always found them a little bit too soft and a little bit too sinky, and I think
00:49:04
Speaker
Again, it's, you know, the normal glossary I think is a, is a perfectly good show. I understand why people like it, but for me, it kind of fits into an easy sort of run bracket. Whereas I think the Mac five has a lot more versatility. It rides a little bit firmer. I get a little bit more kind of roll through from the, from the rocker. And I just feel like it fits better on the foot. And I, that versatility is a big thing to me.
00:49:27
Speaker
I like the Mach 5 actually. It's just a shoe I know I'm going to enjoy running in at quite a good range of pace. It can cope with the easy, but it can go up a little bit of up-tempo as well. I wouldn't race in it, but yeah, I just feel like it's all around just a better shoe for me. Yeah, I think there's definitely considerations, I would say, first in terms of the uppers and the fits. They feel very different for me. I think the Mach 5 would, for me personally, felt a little bit more narrow, whereas I think Noplus feels
00:49:52
Speaker
although it can run a little bit long, but I think in terms of the cushioning you're getting, you're getting something, I would say, a little bit softer in the low-blast three, where it is a little bit firmer, as Kieran said, on the Mach 5, but I think the Mach 5 works at kind of quicker, kind of quicker paces, I think. It lends itself a little bit better to that. They're both shoes I think you can run long, you know, long in and long run for a long time in, but I think if you want a daily trainer shoe that runs a little bit faster, or feels a little bit nice to run faster, I would go for the Mach 5.
00:50:21
Speaker
Yeah, I'd agree. I think both shoes are solid shoes. I just think the Mach 5 is a shoe that is excellent in what it does. Whereas the Nova Blasterie is a shoe that does what it does fine and people are happy with it. Okay then, Rohit Gawakert. They've got a couple of questions. You might not want to answer these ones, Kieran. Are expensive running singlets really that good? If you like better shoulders, they're great.
00:50:44
Speaker
Yeah, I think this is specifically around like this saw type vests and stuff like that I would say expensive running singlets aren't essential But the saw ones are fantastic for racing. They're just so lightweight. You don't think about them I don't put Vaseline on with them or anything like that and even though they are like 90 something pounds and
00:51:06
Speaker
I don't care about that 90 pounds when I'm trying to get a PB in Chicago and I don't want to worry about the vest that I'm wearing. So I think if for certain people, and you see a lot of them in running clubs, like club runners wear sort of vest, expensive vest all the time because they really, really care about the slightest difference that a vest can make. But I think for certain people at that level, I think they do make a difference in their investment worth making.
00:51:31
Speaker
I've run in the face ski, the tracksmith and the saw, obviously that's who do the run test as well. So I've raced in them and I do feel the difference and a bit similar to you Tom, I think, you know, in terms of the chafing, in terms of the feel of the material when you're running and racing, for me, it feels different. I have used cheaper ones as well. I don't think it's a massive issue and it's not going to be a massive issue for loads of people, but I do feel a slight change for me personally, in terms of that comfort, particularly when I'm racing.
00:52:00
Speaker
Those minor changes do make a difference when you're doing a lot of racing, especially, you know, in a marathon. OK, and the second part of this question is, is it advisable to wear running underwear if you're wearing running shorts? I guess that depends on what kind of running shorts you wear. I mean, if you're wearing really short shorts, then I think absolutely you probably should. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you don't want that accident that guy had in the marathon a few years back where you're running down the finish line and everybody gets to see everything.
00:52:27
Speaker
I'm a massive fan, though, and seriously, I'm a massive fan of base layer shorts. I run everything in with a base layer shorts, whether they're short boxes or kind of longer base layer shorts, mainly because I think they tend to help avoid the nasty chase better than just relying on the inner parts of shorts that can vary. But even with sort of built in shorts, I've built in base layer shorts, I feel like sometimes they're not always the best at preventing chase. So
00:52:55
Speaker
I would recommend it. And I, you know, you don't have to spend loads of money on you can get some quite nice kind of cheap kind of underarm of short boxes that work nicely. But yeah, I, I used to have slightly chunkier thighs than I have now. And I
00:53:10
Speaker
When I used to go running I used to get major die-chafage when I started running and I always had to wear base layers underneath my shorts just because I couldn't run otherwise. I don't really have that problem as much now. I still really like having a nice pair of base layer shorts because it just feels like it's something you don't have to worry about. I didn't even vat up for Chicago Marathon which was strange because it was actually quite warm and I was
00:53:34
Speaker
a bit worried by about half marathon. I thought, oh no, I've not put any fast lean on, but I was wearing the sore race shorts and it was fine, didn't have any issues at all. So yeah, I suppose it's dependent on what type of running you're doing. And I think just test, I think just test if you're not sure before you get out and racing, try and train with them and they can have a distance where you know you may potentially have issues and I think that will help and help you decide.
00:54:00
Speaker
Cool, okay. Michael Dominic, he says, which is softer and more comfortable for longer, easy runs? Saucony Tempest or Saucony Triumph 20? Triumph 20. Tempest is a little bit... Sorry? I've only done one run in the Tempest, but I've done a lot more in the Triumph. I would say maybe the Tempest feels a bit softer, or you've done a bit more timing, maybe? I don't know, I've done one run. It's interesting this, because I've seen a lot of comments. It's the most divisive shoe I've ever seen. I've been using it for...
00:54:27
Speaker
I've been marathon training, doing interval training and stuff like that and I used that for a few of those runs and it felt pretty good for a shoe that was essentially a stability shoe and what I wouldn't have classed it as massively soft but some people do. I'd say the Triumph 20 is way softer than the Tempest but yeah, it seems strange the differences that people are finding with this shoe.
00:54:47
Speaker
I think the Tempest, the Triumph, the Guide, the Ride 15, all of those shoes around that, it's kind of in between, I think, I would definitely say. Okay, there you go. Not very good answer for you there, Michael. Norman Rexapina said T-Rex 2 or Corros Pace 2. Ooh, okay.
00:55:04
Speaker
That's a good one because I guess they are kind of similar price. I think obviously one is kind of a more outdoor centric watch, the T-Rex II. That does have the kind of dual band or kind of dual frequency kind of positioning stuff that we're seeing in other watches. And actually with me and Nick tested it, it's actually performed really, really well. You do have some mapping and navigation support on that watch as well, which you don't have on the Corus Paste II.
00:55:29
Speaker
And then the battery life is very good on the T-Rex II as well. But again, I think the Corus Base II, if you can live without the kind of mapping navigation stuff, the battery life, the level of support for kind of additional accessories and the insights, really running focused stuff is very, very strong. So I think if you want that kind of, you like the idea of that kind of dual frequency, dual band kind of support, and you want that mapping, kind of basic breadcrumb navigation support, then I would say T-Rex II. If you can live without that, then I would go Corus Base II and save yourself a little bit of money.
00:55:57
Speaker
OK, Josh says that they are running New York in a couple of weeks for Autism Speaks. They've got a goal of 329, a big goal of 344 and a C goal just to finish the race.