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The Run Testers Podcast | How to Buy Cushioned Running Shoes
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This month on the podcast the team is talking about cushioned running shoes, from what a max-cushioned shoe is to the sorts of things you should know when you're planning on buying a pair of long-distance cruisers.
We'll also be talking about the latest watches from Garmin and the Hoka Mach X and Comrades Marathon.
Perfect for that Sunday long run.
Big thanks to Fear of Tigers for the killer intro music. You can listen to more of his stuff over at https://www.patreon.com/fearoftigers
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Focus
00:00:05
Speaker
Hey, Tommy from The Runtesters and welcome to The Runtesters podcast. In this episode, we are going to be talking about lots of stuff, including the latest kit from shoes and watches to all of the training and racing that we've been doing over the past month. We'll also be talking about cushioned shoes. So everything that you might need to know about cushioned shoes from what exactly is a cushioned shoe, what you might look for in a cushioned shoe and some of the best cushioned shoes that we've tested as well. Hope you enjoy it.
Hosts' Banter and Personal Updates
00:00:35
Speaker
Hey guys, how's it going? Good. It's a bit more exciting though. Was that to us? What were you expecting from me?
00:00:47
Speaker
I don't know, you didn't fire the starting pistol. I was expecting something, yeah. I was going for a lower tone one this time, bit of a calmer one. Everyone's quite tired today because there's children involved and stuff like that, so try not to alarm you too much. So how are we all doing then? Really well. Oh, Jesus.
00:01:10
Speaker
That's the last bit of injury you'll be using today. Yeah, it was good. It was worth the gag, but I'm pretty tired by that. I'm tired. I'm a bit niggly with injuries and my Achilles and in general a bit annoyed about that, but otherwise I'm fine. I'm very well. How are you guys?
00:01:25
Speaker
Well, let's start with you then, Nick. We've sort of covered everything there, but what's going on in the world of Nick's running? Oh, I'm running. I'm running around the last two days. It's been fine, but I've just got an Achilles, a bit of Achilles thing going on. I want to make sure it's nothing serious. It doesn't actually hurt or anything yet, but I think it's one of those things that if you let it go...
00:01:42
Speaker
bad. It goes really bad, so I'm going to go see physio and see what they say. But yeah, been running the last few days. Fine. Just plenty of ice afterwards. I'm not really training for anything too hard, so I'm just going to pootle about all summer. What's Andy saying? Just being careful. I'm just doing small amounts, fairly slow running. Okay. Nothing mild, nothing too bad. I mean, luckily I don't have... The problem is I go to the physio. I watch your goal race. I don't really care about the race, but I do need to be running quite regularly for a job. For a job?
00:02:10
Speaker
And they'll see what they say to that. But I don't know. I think once they tell me the right kind of heel drops to do for the kind of Achilles tendonitis I have, I'll just do a thousand of those and I'll be fixed. Okay. You haven't got a big race plan then? No, I've just got this ultra, which I'm just planning to poodle around. So I've got the Orion Club champs. So I would like to win that. From five mile jogs to your first ultra? Yeah, it's ages away, isn't it? It's last summer and there's no speed involved. It's near my house. I can walk home if I need to.
Comrades Marathon Experience
00:02:37
Speaker
So from one end of the spectrum, Keiran, you've been running quite a bit recently, haven't you? I've done a fair amount, yeah. So I come back from my first Comrades, which was a magic experience, was one of the hardest runs I've ever done. It's a very unique kind of...
00:02:53
Speaker
race where it's, it's kind of an ultra in terms of the elevation and the distance, but everyone goes at it with a mentality of like a road marathon. So it's, it's some weird place in between. Like I'm used to doing ultras where you walk on the trails and eat snacks. And this is all, you know, it's basically people turn up, like they're going to go and run a marathon and attack it in the same way. And, uh, yeah, the last it's 55 miles, the last 30 kilometers of it is, is very steep downhill. And you basically spend, I spent
00:03:22
Speaker
You know, at least two hours praying for the downhills to somehow come to an end. You think at some point in Durban, someone has put a flat road into this city and it just never comes. It never comes. The last 400 metres around the cricket pitch where he finishes flat.
00:03:36
Speaker
And it's mercifully so, but yeah, that was, it's a brilliant race. I recommend it to anyone. It was absolutely, the atmosphere is, it's like the tower bridge, but for 55 miles in terms of the noise and it's just this mad explosion of celebration of running. So yeah, go and do it. Road runners, go and do it. What did you, I couldn't, I never get my head around the weird classification of what times you get. You have different names, don't know the time slots.
00:04:03
Speaker
Yeah, so I got a Bill Rowan, which is for sub 9 hours for the 55 miles. I'm, yeah, I was no way in any kind of shape to get the next one down would have been a silver medal and you have to go sub seven and a half. Right. So I was, yeah, did 848, which I was really happy with and
00:04:19
Speaker
Yeah, crawled into a little recovery ball on the cricket pitch at the end for a bit. Was there a lot of people doing that? There were some people in trouble. There was one guy, the thing about the comrades at 12 hours is the cut off, right? So you enter the stadium, you have to get to the finish line. They just link arms, come across and close the finish line. One guy came in after the gun had gone probably about 10 minutes. He got onto the cricket pitch and then was holding himself up. His legs weren't working. He was basically pulling himself along.
00:04:47
Speaker
sideways around this so people get into some some big messes but yeah he made it he was going to finish the distance even though he wasn't allowed to cross the finish line oh yeah you'd probably feel you had to would you it'd be so harsh to get that far and then not to yeah not to finish
Racing Post-Injury and Popularity in South Africa
00:05:05
Speaker
And yeah, there's lots and lots of people out there as well who came and said hello, which was which magic I didn't realise but the run testers is pretty big in South Africa, apparently. Yeah, we Yeah, there was there was there was lots of lots of people. Whilst I'm running along people came over and said hello. It was great. All positive. Not minding out here about some review or something. Well, one one guy, one guy had completely ignored the shoes that we recommend and go for something different. But yeah, it's fine.
00:05:30
Speaker
What did you recommend? Something, uh, let's feel or something. Yeah. I went for something. Yeah. It went for the old, uh, soccer and dolphin elite.
00:05:39
Speaker
I think he chose the Adidas Prime X strung. It worked. And then my next in my future, I'm gonna go and I've met somebody on that race who had done the Berlin 100 miler a load of times, follows the Berlin Wall. So I'll close out by saying that's my next race in mid August. I'm gonna be going and doing my second 100 miler. Is that a race or? Yeah, yeah. I saw you post that the route and I didn't know if that was some sort of like, just a standard route that people go running. I didn't realise it was an actual race.
00:06:06
Speaker
Yeah, it's like it follows the Berlin Wall, so the route of the Berlin Wall, so we'll go to Geordie. Yeah, should be some more suffering in my near future. Nice. Mike, you're back running now, aren't you? Finally. Doing races. I'm doing races again. Now me and Nick are out, actually. You're coming back in. I've done two races. I've got another race. It's been great. I mean, yeah.
00:06:28
Speaker
Not 100%, but I do. I'm feeling a lot better. I have, I mean, myself and Nick did the Lee Valley Park race, which was a hot one. I did the 10K and I mean, it was hard, but it's just been good to be out there. I went out and I did Batsy that run through Batsy Park 5K last week. Mess that up, didn't you? Mess that up big time. I did 20.01. What a ****.
00:06:55
Speaker
In the Vaporfly 3, that was my first race in the Vaporfly, I absolutely loved them. Is that your first race in any Vaporfly? In any Vaporfly. And I enjoyed the one. That's a 1201. That's a 2001. That's upsetting. And then I've got the ASX 10K coming up and I'm going to be doing that in the Magic Speed 3 which I am looking forward to because I did really like the Magic Speed 2 and then obviously it's clever.
00:07:19
Speaker
kind of breed of train, you know, super trainers out, you know, we were hearing more about on the channel and yeah, it's sure I'm looking forward to kind of, you know, doing some quicker stuff in. So yeah, back racing, I haven't got anything particularly in line. I think I'll probably will be doing the big half later in the year, but as I said, just enjoying being able to get out there, not feel like I'm hurting or struggling to get through runs at the moment. So that is a big plus for me at the moment.
00:07:45
Speaker
Nice, well I did a big half, so if things are carried on as they are, you're probably a bit of a victor there. You know that's not true. Well, I've been to Berlin. Except this is the last two podcasts I was trying to get into Berlin. I got into Berlin by pure chance. I got into the competition ballot and got in, so... Yeah, that's amazing. Meant to be. Pretty good. Yeah, so looking forward to that. You started doing some training, mate. Well, I'm trying to. I'm trying to, I can only do...
00:08:14
Speaker
5k runs at the moment like like second about 30 minutes to do 5k's at the moment, so I'm not really
00:08:21
Speaker
Obviously, the Essex Carnot could not have arrived at a better time for me and Tom. We're loving it. Big, cushy, stable wide shoe. We're pootling around our 30, 40-minute runs, having a great time. Beautiful, isn't it? Listening to some slow audiobook. I thought it was all about. I'm not doing anything else. I went out today and I turned up and my running body had turned up. I went, we're just doing five miles easy. I'm just going to see how it is. It was fine. In the endorphin speed, I went, you've got to stop doing this. He keeps expecting me to go, oh, let's go, live enough.
00:08:47
Speaker
I'm in the Carano, mate. Very much the pace is set. Sit back, relax, enjoy yourself. It's so wide. Never enjoyed the previous ones, but actually enjoying this one. Loving, loving it. Loving the Carano so far. Very, sort of a semi, bit like the Nimbus, isn't it? It's like a... Yeah, but even bigger.
00:09:05
Speaker
I looked at it from the bottom. The width of the shoe is remarkable. Oh yeah, you cannot fall over in it, can't you? No, you could try. You could really try to fall over. You can't, you can cross rivers on it, it's so wide. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we've got our first run of that up and we'll be doing a full, well, we'll probably get around to the first full review of that pretty soon based on the fact that's all we're going to be running in. 200 mile review by the end of the month because, yeah, I'm not using anything else.
00:09:28
Speaker
Nice.
Celebrity Marathon Times Quiz
00:09:29
Speaker
Yeah, cool. All right. Well, we're not doing running facts this week because I didn't have time to find any running facts. So we're going to dip back into the popular backup, which is Celebrity Marathon times. I know you like these ones. I thought that was a one off for the London Marathon. I didn't realize that would ever come back.
00:09:45
Speaker
Well, I've dived into the history of celebrity runners. So I've tried to find some ones that we actually know. Okay. That aren't just tauey. From the 20s. From the 20s. All right, so this is the first one.
Latest Garmin Watches Overview
00:10:01
Speaker
This is a good one. Oh, I see. It's the running huge quiz. Brian Cranston. Ooh. Ooh. When did he do it? Because he's old. Yeah. Oh, 1985.
00:10:13
Speaker
OK, so I reckon he was really quick. I reckon he's like a 251 runner. 320. 245. It's exactly 320, 45. Well, not exactly, but yes, nice work, Mike. Nick Fanno, Bryan Cranston there. Yeah. Not a bad time, though. No, good time. You always feel that when it's like a young addict. Oh, yeah, you had a history of running. You know, Johnny Vegas was like a 800 metre or a 1,500 metre runner. What?
00:10:36
Speaker
Yeah, like a really good one. And his exact quote was, my athletics career came to an end when they opened McDonald's in St. Helens.
00:10:54
Speaker
All right, there's a lot of running kit news going on at the moment. We've been testing a lot. It seems to be a massive influx of new things popping up. New season launches, yeah. Some interesting ones. So let's dive into this long list that I've got here. One of the big things that we've been testing this month or last month, and we've got loads of videos up to show it, is the latest Garmin tech. So much Garmin. There's so much Garmin. I thought we could do any more Garmin chat. So much Garmin.
00:11:21
Speaker
good watches probably probably wouldn't rush to get one because the older models are very also very good watches but well I did rush to get one you did rush to boys off of Phoenix I think because your mate was mocking you as far as I could tell
00:11:36
Speaker
Well basically, my mate Ollie bought one and he started sending me screen grabs and stuff of the stats that he got of it that I didn't get on my Phoenix 6. So I was getting increasingly jealous of these things because I do like to get competitive with him and I wanted to make sure I still had a head of him with Enduring Score and Hillscore. Right, you see, very smart. I thought you only got it for the flashlight Tom, because that's all you need to know about it. I'll tell you what, that flashlight has been fantastic. I'm amazed you've got the lights on in your house right now. I assumed you'd be doing this by flashlight.
00:12:05
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I use it at least once a day. Wandering around to the toilet in the middle of the night, that sort of thing. It's not bad. Right, I mean, I've woken up my girlfriend a few times by flashing her face by accident. Accident, showing off his background.
00:12:20
Speaker
So we've got loads of videos up on that. Don't have to go through those. I'd say the biggest thing about it is the larger Epix Pro, which I think is signaling the direction we're going to see, which is just AMOLED watches getting better battery life and better and better and better until you don't have to make a big trade off to get that screen. And then we'll see how Garmin positions the range after that, really.
00:12:40
Speaker
re-expecting all watches to be AMOLED. I think they'll really focus a lot more on AMOLED. Once they get it to like a couple of weeks, I think they'll do that, which hopefully means you can get memory and pixel watches with an insane battery life for quite good
Review of Suunto Vertical and Ultra Human Air Ring
00:12:53
Speaker
value. That would be a good step for everyone. Yeah. Okay. Kirill, which watch did you run in Comrade? Which three watches? I actually used the Phoenix 7 Pro, the Enduro 2 and the
00:13:08
Speaker
Apple watch ultra, I mean weighing you down. Yeah. Well, and I didn't yeah, I did actually I ran entirely on feel as well So I didn't actually look at most of the way I didn't know So um, but just to see the stats and I wanted to do a test of the battery life So I've actually got a vid planned on
00:13:23
Speaker
doing the comparisons of all of those three for that race coming up at some point soon. It's probably a good test for it. All right, next one I've got on my list is, I'm not sure, I know, Mike, you're getting this, the ultra-human, is it the air ring? Yeah, ultra-human air ring. Well, I've just got the sizing kit, so almost lost the sizing kit of the weekend, the one that I was trying on. How did you do that?
00:13:47
Speaker
I don't know, no idea how, but managed to fight. No, the actual ring that I chose that I've been wearing to test out. But it's another ring that obviously wants to compete with Aura. I think it's sleep is the real thing they're pushing here, being massively thinner than the kind of Aura and circular, which is another ring that I've been testing recently that I haven't had a great experience with and actually
00:14:07
Speaker
have to kind of send that but it's yeah I mean obviously what I think you know the fact this isn't their first ring but it's it'd be interesting to see if they can really kind of compete because there is growing as a as an area I think you know we've all kind of experienced using the aura I think from a
00:14:22
Speaker
It's not a perfect thing. I think there's definitely some elements of it that work really well and I still use it, you know, regularly. But I think from a kind of fitness perspective, it's still probably a form factor that still probably needs a lot of work in terms of what it can deliver and how it can deliver that information. But I mean, yeah, you've got it, haven't you? You've got it on now. Yeah. Yeah. Are you finding it?
00:14:41
Speaker
Well, it's the first time in my life I've ever worn a ring, so I'm struggling with having a ring on my hand. I've constantly taken it off and stuff, find it a bit distracting. And I'm also finding there's problems you have when you wear a ring that you don't have when you don't wear a ring. I catch it on a lot of stuff that I don't normally catch hands on things.
00:14:57
Speaker
Index finger ring is a bit more annoying than a ring finger ring. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So but I find it interesting. It's something to get my head around why I would use it other than using my watch at the moment. But I'm not delved into the stats yet and see how it all compares and stuff like that. I get a lot of notifications about it telling me to get up and go for a walk and do a stretch.
00:15:19
Speaker
But yeah, so I'll be doing a first look at that very soon. And then my mic, yours will be delving in deep because I never tried the auring. So I'm interested to see how they compare. Okay, what's Suunto vertical? What are we doing with this? A good Suunto. A good Suunto. Yeah, a Gunto. Yeah, there you go. I mean, it's taken some time. I always thought, you know, this is the this is the watch I thought the Suunto 9 peak and 9, how many other versions the hell of that watch is going to be. But it's like,
00:15:46
Speaker
This is, this is fine. It's not perfect. It's absolutely not perfect, but there's some real big positives that I really wasn't kind of expecting to see from this watch. And I think Nick, you were pretty much consistent in terms of your experience as well. I think from a core tracking experience, I think battery life, you know, the fact you're getting maps on there as well and the maps are pretty good. I think
00:16:08
Speaker
I think the software for me kind of holds things back a little bit slightly, but I think the good definitely outweighs the bad in terms of what you're getting here, this watch. And this is a massive step forward, I think, for Sensei. It sounds like they've delivered here. Yeah, I feel like they really, they didn't, basically they did the wise thing of not going, we need to catch up with everything at once on Garmin and everyone else. We're going to focus on a few areas and they basically nailed all those areas. The battery life is brilliant. It's right up there, especially in multi-band mode.
00:16:33
Speaker
Multi-bound GPS is very good. It's very accurate GPS. The screen is brighter because Suunto had this awful problem with their screens. It's just basically not visible. And that is a really good screen. And then the maps, yeah, the maps are really nice maps. They're not as smart as Garmin's maps. They don't know where you are. You're basically laying trails over a map rather than Garmin maps know where you are. So they can route from there. They know which trail you're on. But obviously Garmin's got that massive background in satnats and stuff that helps on that front.
00:16:58
Speaker
Yeah, the problem remains with this watch that Garmin exists and they're so good at this end of the market. But I think Coros and Polar, we've had a bit of a free ride away from Suunto for a while. I think I'd immediately placed the vertical head of most all Coros and Polar watches. I think I really like it. So yeah, it's a big step forward for Suunto. Hopefully that's the sign of things to come.
00:17:18
Speaker
We've only got our first run-up so far haven't we? Nah, full review. Full review. Should have watched that probably. Should have watched that Tom. Should have watched all of our stuff. Too busy with my 5Ks. Alright, so CloudboomEcho3.
On Cloudboom Echo 3 Performance Discussion
00:17:32
Speaker
Karen, you did this video didn't you? I added the reviews, probably all of them though, yeah. The head to head. There's so many videos head to head.
00:17:41
Speaker
All the shoes recently. Wasn't that popular, was it? I'm a bit surprised by that. The views. I think that always happens with On. I think On's always a slow burner and then you look at it in like two months and you're like, wow, okay. Where'd that come from? I thought, I don't know. I feel like it made me a little bit, I sort of talked to them about this. They had a lot of goodwill on and I worry that maybe they've lost a little bit over the last two, three years by making the same shoe over and over again, but now they're making some really good shoes. Maybe it's not done more because it hasn't got any clouds in it.
00:18:06
Speaker
Yeah, that's it. People do want the clouds. That's true. They could have called it a cloud plate. I think that might have turned it right around. Well, the headline is it? We all liked it. Yeah, that's the big headline on it. Yeah. I actually did a marathon. I ran actually a marathon on the weekend, didn't it?
00:18:24
Speaker
just to test it not very fast basically like four and a half and yeah my only my only thing having now gone that in that for that many hours on feet it does start to feel a little bit firm towards the end which you know i've moaned on a lot about how vaporfly 3 is a bit softer but by the end of that run i was wanting a bit of the vaporfly softness
00:18:44
Speaker
Well, I'd say the open wide, I think, with the on was more the other way was that I couldn't really get the play until I ran fast. I felt like I was just skipping off the top of that phone if I was running slowly in it. And it was fine. But when I ran fast, it felt very different and better. Yeah, it's quite dense, quite dense for him, I'd say.
00:19:00
Speaker
Yeah, it's good. On an hocker then, I think we can chalk up as a caught up this year in carbon shoes. So who's still not caught up? Is there anyone? Brooks. Brooks. I've got work to do there. Hyperion Elite 3, which I'd say is slightly worse than most of the plated trainers we've been testing lately, let alone the carbon shoes.
00:19:17
Speaker
All right, then from Clabby Maco 3 to another interesting new shoe, the Hocker Mac X shoe we've all been testing. What are our thoughts on that? I thought this was going to be the best shoe of all time. I thought it was going to be a cross of the Mac and the Mac 5 and the Endorphin Speed 3. And in the end, I found it, probably I think I prefer both the Mac 5 and the Endorphin Speed 3 to it. I didn't really have it at speed for me. And it's meant to be, you know, it's great for mooching around, but you're not going to spend that money on a mooching around shoe when the Mac 5 already exists. How much is it?
00:19:47
Speaker
180 or something like that? I just didn't think it was very good at speed, and it's just such a big shoe. I really liked it. I think, yeah, maybe not. I don't know about speed, but as a shoe you can just put on and eat up most of what I kind of do. It was bang on for me. Comfortable from the off. Yeah, I think it's got good versatility. I think its problem is that there's not enough of a difference between it and the Mac 5, but if no other shoes existed, like I popped it on and it was
00:20:16
Speaker
I found it did everything that I wanted it to do really well. I think it's light. I think it's agile. I thought it was lively. But yeah, I mean, I'm not moving. I haven't necessarily put it through lots of super, super fast stuff.
00:20:30
Speaker
I think it's a solid shoe, I think it's fine. I think it's just a problem at the moment. Every shoe that gets released, unless it is in some way amazing, or you know, it's different than every other shoe, you just go, yeah, I've tried this, it's like, it's not that, which is difficult to review shoes when you go, it's fine.
00:20:46
Speaker
Well, this area of the market is now, I think, where all the best shoes are on this plated. I think the best shoes for going are the most versatile, the most interesting, and it's more and more competitive. But the Speed 3 is still already there and still better than everything I've tried so far in this area. And I think you've got to try and look at what they've done. I did prefer the Magic Speed 2 just on fit, but I know a lot of people don't like it anywhere near as much as the Speed 3. So it's
00:21:09
Speaker
Yeah, it's a tricky one to just come out. But I don't know. Yeah, I just found it a bit of a slight, tiny bit disappointing compared to what I was expecting. And again, I really did like it. They say from mooching around, it was very stable shoe and big shoe. But just think if I'm going to go mooching around, I'll buy a 100 quid shoe for that. And yeah, I was disappointed, especially as it looks so good. You were very excited about the look. I was looking a lot about the look. Yeah. Maybe I got myself overexcited.
00:21:38
Speaker
another marathon time oh yeah please oh i see it's the running Hugh Chris okay Alanis Morissette oh let's find out when she did it sometimes they don't tell me when they did it you talk to them directly 2010 new york city marathon okay okay okay how how old is Alanis Morissette anyways
00:22:02
Speaker
Jagged little pill was what, 1996? How old was she then? We'll work from there. I'm going 4 hours 13.
00:22:14
Speaker
I just want to say a time that means I can make a joke about it being ironic, so I'm just trying to think what time that would be. Yeah, I knew you were thinking. You can't do that now. I would say, I think she probably did it, chill, real chilled, for 56. You're all way off. She got a 3-4-28. Wow. That's very good. So she really went for it.
00:22:36
Speaker
I'm getting these off a web page, so I've not actually been and verified all these. They could be. I'm going to make a website celebrity times to try and catch Tom. These could be all complete lies. But if it isn't indeed true, that's pretty impressive. That's ridiculously good. Yeah. OK. No.
Insights from Anasie Trip with The North Face
00:22:57
Speaker
Right, so from kit on to news, but I suppose the first thing I went to Anasie last week with the North Face. Interesting travel. It was pretty good, but it was very interesting though. So the whole point of the trip was to see how athletes train in Anasie, because a lot of athletes get sent over there to do some training, but also they sent us to this recovery center.
00:23:22
Speaker
Recovery and Training Center, where they basically teach athletes how to recover. But they also did some really cool stuff, which is like proprioception and things like that. So, you know, speed, balance, all those sorts of things. I think they did stuff with a lot of F1 drivers. And obviously F1 drivers, if you can increase their perception of what's going on in front of them by a few milliseconds, then they get faster. Really interesting how they do it, but how they do it with their trails and stuff. But we also went to an agency that designs the shoes for the North Face.
00:23:50
Speaker
and they took us through how they designed their shoes. Nice. Do you guys have a personalized shoe? No. Fair enough. An absolute waste of time. It looks pretty glorious, the weather and the conditions and the trails you were on. It was very good. Not very good for an injured person. Yeah, so you did every single run grimacing through it. Yeah, well there was one run, the last run, I went the wrong way and I ended up on a road for two miles.
00:24:15
Speaker
And, and I loved it. It was very nice. I just ran around the lake, but everyone else was like, Oh no, we're going back up in the Hills. So, um, yeah, but very good, very, very interesting stuff. So I think I'm probably going to get the, one of the designers on from the agency who wrote some running shoes to come and talk on the podcast about how they go about that process. Some very interesting things. I learned how those thoughts go into when the designer shoes.
00:24:35
Speaker
especially because it's from an agency as well. So obviously they're not the brand talking to me about it, it's an agency. All right, other running news.
New Parkrun Record and Super Shoes
00:24:43
Speaker
The big news this week is part of the run. Pour one out for badders. Pour one out for poor old badders. This record's been pinched from him by a team of pros in super shoes, doesn't count, does it? Badders was on grass. He just had my coach cycling in front of him.
00:24:59
Speaker
Oh, of course he was on grass, wasn't he? What was he running in? I don't know, some old flats. I mean, he was, when Andy Badleys set the park run record, he was just after the Olympics and he'd gone out earlier than he expected, basically. So to pick him up from disappointment, his coach, who is now my coach, who doesn't just coach the Leats anymore,
00:25:17
Speaker
Yeah, just took him to Bushe Park and he just set the record. And it is amazing that you think of the standard that a few athletes have had a go at this in super shoes and like Dodge Park, you know, a flat tarmac runner haven't been in it. But yeah, Andy Butchart, who is a pro Olympian. Well, I don't know. He is an Olympian, I think a 5K runner. Yeah. Yeah. With his new banner super shoes on finally took him down by four seconds.
00:25:37
Speaker
I know Andy did a video on the podcast where they talk about it. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. He was like, yeah, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. I'm over it. Definitely not over it. They get the new Andy on to talk about it. Yeah. I mean, it'd be quite nice if people now just talk a bit more about what an amazing career Andy had as a professional athlete rather than his parkour on top. Absolutely not. No, definitely not.
Courtney DeWalter's Western States Win
00:26:01
Speaker
And then the other bit of news, I think, that's been floating about is Courtney DeWalter. She won Western States, didn't she? Yeah. Tom Evans, mate. Tom Evans of this podcast. Of course, friend of the podcast. Friend of the big... Was that before Western States, he spoke to us last year? No, UTMB he spoke to us before. UTMB, yeah. Day before, I was expecting that. But Courtney broke the record, so that's fair enough. Smashed the record. Yeah. I mean, and not just smashed the record, but that's, you know, for actually finishing six play overall as well.
00:26:29
Speaker
15 hours and 29 minutes is just an incredible, incredible run on top of now holding the UTMB record and holding the hard rock 100 record and just looking like, could basically go out and just eat any records that she wants. It's like, it's next level performance. It's not a bad runner, is it? It's handy. Yeah. See her park run first though, shall we? Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's where it all counts, is that? So we care about over here. Other interesting thing was it like the podium when the men's style was locked out by Adeasa Nike, who,
00:26:59
Speaker
having not done so much on the trail side, they're super shoes looking out. Western States podium is interesting to me, although I'm not sure the Nike shoe on specs is gonna be designed for many ultras aside from potentially Western States, because it's quite that kind of terrain focused, isn't it? Quite specific.
00:27:17
Speaker
Cool. All right then, one final celebrity then before we move on to the chat. Oh, I see. It's the running through quiz. Oh, you might not know that, it is, let's find out. I think we've done George W. Bush. Ryan Reynolds.
00:27:33
Speaker
Ryan Reynolds. Is this Van Wilder era Reynolds, or is it? This is 2008. Two guys going on pizza. Not era. He could be really fit and really go for it, but he also could be messing about, couldn't he? He's a silly guy sometimes. I reckon seriously. 3.15. I reckon he takes it seriously. I reckon four hours.
00:28:03
Speaker
Just thinking I could have used you ought to know for the pun on the Lannis Morissette before, maybe we'll go back and do that a bit at some point, but anyway. Absolutely not, absolutely not. Green Hornet, not the Hornet, was it? Green Lantern, he did it. Green Lantern. I'm giving it 257. You, way off, Mike, Mike was close. Mike's very good at this. I reckon Mike sits the bead in this. I reckon Mike might help. Mike can make the website you're getting it from. It was 350.22.
00:28:33
Speaker
Okay. It's funny, you find this with a lot of these sort of celebrities where they can be quite deceptive. You look at somebody like Robert Reynolds, you know, he's got trainers.
00:28:43
Speaker
He's obviously done lots of stuff where he's absolutely ripped, but doesn't seem to get trainers for marathon. That's just a prance around in a film though. Exactly, yeah. You lose all that body weight if you run around. We should have this as a fixed leaderboard, Tom, on our website. We can keep track of this over time. Like, what was it? Top gaze to the star in a car. Well, I'm docking your points for every time you make a crap joke. I don't have any points as it is. Can't dock them. That's true, that's true. All right, well, more of those in a bit.
Guide to Cushioned Running Shoes
00:29:21
Speaker
Okay, so cushioned shoes. We're doing quite a few videos around different types of shoes at the moment. Cushioned shoes is one that obviously is very close to my heart, but is quite a tricky area nowadays because there's lots of different types of cushioned shoes. And when people ask,
00:29:37
Speaker
what cushion shoes should they buy? It's a bit of a minefield really. So what we're going to do here is talk through the types of cushion shoes, what you should expect from a cushion shoe, what people are looking for in cushion shoes. So let's start with a nice easy one. Nick, you could do this one because you're quite good at classifying these things. How do we classify cushion shoes at the run testers?
00:29:56
Speaker
I think well you can't just go on stack height because most ratios have the highest stack heights these days but stack height is an indicator usually they're quite a lot of cushioning in the midsole well over 30 millimeters often and it's more really about the design being geared for easy long runs daily training that kind of thing they're not got very aggressive setups really you know
00:30:16
Speaker
There's no plates in the midsole, there's no very springy foams or really wild forefoot rockers or anything like that. They're geared for easy runs to protect the legs probably first and foremost and just be comfortable and enjoyable just for, yeah, mooching around at your daily training places rather than being speed focused.
00:30:33
Speaker
That's good because a lot of people, I mean, there's a lot of shoes out now that are like race shoes and stuff that you would quite easily class as cushion shoes. But when we talk about it, we're really talking about the core use of them. Yeah, exactly. In a rotation, there'd be a shoe that you'd pair with faster shoes if you were having more than one shoe. Okay. Mike, max cushion shoes. So we've got cushion shoes. Now we've got max cushion shoes. It's a buzz phrase at the moment. Everyone wants a max cushion shoe.
00:31:00
Speaker
What would you say is different about a Max cushion shoe to a normal cushion shoe? I think, you know, for me, I think the Max cushion shoe is a shoe that's really kind of separating that space between, you know, from your foot and basically from the ground, creating that bigger stack in between those two things. And it's a shoe that I think we've seen that
00:31:18
Speaker
It's emerged as a shoe that it's something that you would want to use for longer, easy runs, really protecting your foot in a really strong way. There is plenty of debate still about how well they are versed in terms of doing that.
00:31:33
Speaker
you know we are seeing a lot pretty much all brands kind of offering a max cushion shoe option now. They just seem to be getting bigger all the time. Yeah the way I look at it is like you think about the classic list even at the start of our channel the main cushion shoes the most comfortable shoes we ever talk about were things like the Brooks Glycerin and Suckily Triumph and now those are almost cushion daily trainers and the max cushion shoes have come in as a whole level above them.
00:31:54
Speaker
Yes, and I suppose obviously there's a lot to do with the foam as well in them. So a max cushioned shoe can have a very different focus depending on what type of foam they've got in there. Kieran, I'm going to put you on the spot here with this one, because I know you're not a massive fan of cushioned shoes a lot of the time. This is probably going to be a trickier question for your answer, but what would you say are the main benefits of wearing cushioned shoes?
00:32:17
Speaker
Right. I mean, this is a bit of a hot topic as well. It's a much kind of debated thing. But I think when people think about Matt's cushion shoes, often they're thinking about, okay, I've got something that's going to bring me nice comfort, it's going to sort of soak up some lumps and bumps from underfoot. So you're thinking about debris and stones and all that kind of stuff that, you know, basically takes away some of the stuff that's on the road, but also softening the impact. There's a lot of kind of science around this. And some of it doesn't agree, or in fact, most of it doesn't agree. There's actually been recent studies that sort of suggest that
00:32:46
Speaker
The opposite is true that max cushion shoes or big cushion shoes actually increase the force impact. So it's a bit of a difficult one because I know most people probably put them on and think I'm going to use these
00:32:57
Speaker
so that I can reduce the impact on my joints. They're gonna make less fatigue for the muscles, all of those things. But I don't, I'm not entirely sure that the science kind of backs that up, but that's one of the benefits that people will be looking for. I think there's also an argument for some of them that they, and this will all depend on what the foam is and what the geometry is, but they boost stability as well. So some of the big kind of max cushion shoes have a wider base. Many of them actually, I think,
00:33:24
Speaker
have gone you know sort of hoker kind of led the way with this but they sit with like a bucket kind of seat foot placement so you sit a bit lower in the bed as well so you've got higher walls that come up around that can enhance those feelings of stability as well yeah so i think you know you've got more stable wider than average base soak up lumps and bumps and then there's that idea that they're supposed to kind of soak up from the cushioning and i think
00:33:46
Speaker
The overarching thing as well is some people kind of like a heavier shoe perhaps to slow them down by force when they're going to do their recovery runs. I'm kind of the opposite. I don't really like to feel like I'm working harder by having to lift my feet on a soft sort of cushioned shoe for my recovery runs. I'm happy to do them in kind of regular shoes, but I think those for me are the four or five main benefits that people look for.
00:34:08
Speaker
Anyone else got any other ones? Maybe durability might be one as well. Yeah, you know, durability, a shoe that maybe you look to and say, well, look, this is the one shoe that I'm going to get. I know these are the kind of runs I'm going to do. And I really want it to cover a lot of my mileage. And I think that would, for me, that would be a thing that I would kind of look to from a cushion shoe that it's going to be able to absorb a lot of running time. And if it's one shoe that you're going to choose to get. I think I worry about, wonder about sometimes is where they're just, because we are,
00:34:37
Speaker
None of us like outstandingly fit really, but we're all fairly lightweight. And maybe if you're a bit of slightly heavy, you get a bit more joy from those mid solves compared to the slightly lower stack ones that maybe bottomed out a bit for runners in the past. And maybe that doesn't happen with the max cushion shoes, but got nothing to really bear that out. It's just a hunch. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's one of those things that makes it, this is where it all sort of comes in because, you know, different runners putting different levels of force through every single shoe and we'll all have our own kind of unique amounts of force that are going down and how that interacts with the ground.
00:35:06
Speaker
and the density of the foams and what they do, you know, we probably all need our own kind of unique setup in an ideal world, but, and it's why, essentially, on some of the videos, we'll have very different experiences and you can have comments from run-tester viewers who will say, how on earth do you find that about that shoe? Or, Novablast is one that springs to mind for me that some people will love and I can't get on with, but.
00:35:26
Speaker
Well, we get a lot of stick because none of us really like that. Which is a big, you know, big stack of cushioning. To me, it feels very soft, but I think to other people it feels it feels very kind of springy. But I found it felt amazing first run, but then really dense. So dense. Yeah, same. Dense. I think there's another important thing to say that not all
00:35:46
Speaker
big cushioned shoes are necessarily pillowy soft either. So you can have firm cushioned shoes as well, just to make it even more complicated, and particularly kind of look at some of the outras and those kinds of things. Also, when you come to the max cushion shoes, I think many of them will, when they've got the higher stacks, will start to kind of introduce the rocker as well to help with that. But so there's a lot going on. I mean, yeah, I think it's quite a complicated one to nail down.
00:36:13
Speaker
Yeah, I think that if you are not a run tester and you don't have loads of different shoes and you're constantly running in all these different cushioned shoes, I think if you're new to running or maybe you've only ever ran in one type of cushioned shoe, your understanding of the different foams and stuff in cushioned shoes is quite limited. So if you're a buyer, if you're going out to buy a cushioned shoe, it's very, very difficult to sort of look at a shoe and go, that's the one I want because ultimately you've got to try them all, really. It's a bit different, I think, with speed shoes because
00:36:42
Speaker
You can sort of see what they're designed for. You can see people winning races and stuff like that. So there's a little bit more guidance in terms of which are the best ones. But when it comes to cushioning, I've got about 10 different cushioned shoes that I like wearing, but all for different reasons. It's very difficult to choose which one to buy.
00:36:58
Speaker
It is getting really complicated now with the fact that Cosfoam decided so lightweight, lots of speed shoes are now putting massive stacks on, not just the racing shoes, like the super trainer area we're talking about. We're all testing a shoe right now, which we probably can't talk about yet, but just a massive stack, fast shoe. The ASIC Superblast, I've just got in. It feels absolutely incredible. I can't wait to run in it. But you'd look at that if you were that into running and go, oh, that's a really good cushion shoe. And actually, it's really lightweight, kind of do everything shoe. It's not really a traditional cushion shoe, but it's got a 45-millimeter stack, right? Something like that.
00:37:27
Speaker
Everything is a bit, everything's messy because phones are so light now. When I did that, the first review of the Superblast, I got so many comments going, it's not a tempo shoe, it's not this sort of shoe. Somebody saying it's just a cushion daily shoe and all these sorts of things. And nobody seemed to know exactly what that shoe was for. Even now, I'm still not 100% sure the best use for it. You can use it as just a daily cushion shoe, a slow run shoe.
00:37:51
Speaker
It feels like a shoe that's come around and has become a massive sleep here. A bit like the original Nova Blaster, Astix didn't really push and it became incredibly popular. I feel like the Super Lasters, I mean, it's really expensive, so that will stop it doing that, but it does feel like a lot of people are just using it for everything. Well, I'm looking forward to hearing how you go with it. I cannot wait. I've just been walking around in it at all times. Love it.
00:38:10
Speaker
All right, so we've been carrying on with that. So if you're a runner and you're maybe you haven't tried lots of cushion shoes and you're fairly new to it, what are people looking for in a cushion shoe? We talked about this a little bit earlier, but you go into a shop like trying on some shoes.
00:38:25
Speaker
What are the shorter things that people are going to be trying out to find? I don't know. I feel like if I was new, I still, obviously this is biased by my own experience, but I still, if I was looking at a cushion shoe, I would still not be going for a max cushion shoe from the off. Cause I think it is quite a different thing. I always thought the way I go in first shoes, I'd look at the succony triumph, the brook's glycerin, the brook's ghost, and just get a really dependable shoe. That's works quite well for lots of people. It's reasonably cushioned, but actually is still then able to do a lot of different runs as a new running. You don't really know what kind of run are you going to be.
00:38:55
Speaker
So I struggled to the idea that first shoe out of the box would be a Max cushion shoe, but maybe I'm just being a bit old fashioned. And again, I think there's this research that sort of backs that up, which is a similar argument as kind of barefoot running. You know, if you're if you go into one, if you go into basically one extreme, it can affect your biomechanics. And if you're not kind of eased into it, it can change the way that you run.
00:39:16
Speaker
lead to injuries. I think it's the same for kind of max cushion shoes as it is for if you're going for the minimal shoes. So yeah, probably somewhere in between is where you start. And if you want to kind of graduate up, then do it slowly. I definitely think that race shoes, like contemplate race shoes and cushion shoes are very similar in the way that it's like princess in the pit, isn't it? If it doesn't completely work for you, you're not going to enjoy it. I was talking to a guy the other day about
00:39:43
Speaker
He would say, I need to get a cushion shoe. It's fairly new to running. And I said, just get a triumph mate. It's like fantastic, really enjoyable, nice solid shoe. You can just slightly versatile. And he got it and he's just said, I hate it. Absolutely hate it. And he ended up getting a Bondi. Can't remember which one he got.
00:40:01
Speaker
just because I think he just felt the triumph was just too soft. So Bondi just worked for him. The Bondi is not even really Matt Cushion. It wasn't until quite recently. The Bondi, you look at the stack, you think it's quite a normal cushion shoe, but that kind of set the trend, I suppose. And now it is quite a big stack, I think. Yeah. So with Cushion shoes... That wasn't on the first one. Hoka was Matt's cushioning, right? That was their first... Yeah. I think it was Bondi, wasn't it? Bondi was the very first. The Clifton was second, was it?
00:40:25
Speaker
But Clifton, I first started reviewing shoes. Clifton, that's a big old shoe. It's quite light, but it's a big cushion shoe. And now it's quite a good daily trainer, well-balanced. If anything, it's got bigger, but I just don't view it in the same way at all anymore. Yeah. Basically, when it comes to cushion shoes, I always think you do need to try them on. It's a bit of a risk, isn't it? Especially with... I would never say to somebody, get the Nike Invincible 3 if I didn't know where the sort of runner that they were, because that's... I mean, it's a lovely shoe.
00:40:53
Speaker
if you want that sort of thing. I'd never say to anyone to get it. I hate it. Well, if somebody said to me, I want a really, really soft shoe for very comfortable runs and that's all I want to do. I might go, okay, Vince before he's broken up with you.
00:41:08
Speaker
This guy I was speaking to was actually, he wanted a shoe just to do his training in and he said, I want it to quite cushioned. So I'd never say that. Cause it, you know, if he starts getting a bit faster and trying to do some intervals and stuff, he's kind of going to buy another pair of shoes. Oh, I think also when the stack gets that big, you really definitely like times that you've got to try them on because you've got to make sure it works with your gate essentially, because they've, they've got, they've got big heel bevels to make everything quite smooth and everything. But yeah, you might not, you just, this might just be too big in a weird way.
00:41:35
Speaker
Yeah. All right. Well, let's talk a bit wider than specifics now.
Evolution of Cushioned Shoes
00:41:40
Speaker
So we did this with Carton Plate Shoes in an earlier video where we talked about how it's going to be developing a couple of years or whatever. How do we think Cushion Shoes are going to be changing in the near future? Mike, do you want to grab this one?
00:41:54
Speaker
I think we've already started to see it a little bit. I think some, and we've talked about some of the kind of what we class as kind of traditional kind of cushion shoes have evolved to be very different things. I think I look at stuff like the Nimbus where I think the version of this Nimbus is very different in terms of its use, in terms of what the previous Nimbus would be. And I think things in terms of what that
00:42:14
Speaker
kind of cushioning kind of delivers as well and what it offers. I think, you know, we've seen the kind of evolution of kind of stability shoes and how we're using kind of different ways of delivering that support and guidance for people. And I think, you know, look at things like the Saucony 10% shoes like that, that how that cushioning is going to be used and utilized and what it's going to be used for, I think is it's going to be interesting and changing maybe how those lines were kind of viewed in the past.
00:42:41
Speaker
Yeah, the stability I think is big. I think I've started to enjoy using stability shoes like the Carno and the Tempest, even though I am a neutral runner just because just a little bit of support doesn't really take away anything from the ride. But yeah, it'll be interesting. What would you guys guess the max stack height that we see in the next couple of years is for us to throw a cushion shoe? I had a chat with, well, I did a podcast with Kifuzi the other day and we were chatting about this and he was talking about how
00:43:09
Speaker
Yes, the stack height is constantly getting bigger, but as foams develop, you actually probably won't need as much stack height to get the same feeling that you get. Won't stop them though. They'll keep adding it to them. Well, we were talking about getting a 90 millimeter shoe at one point just to get more stacking, but I reckon we'll go up to 65.
00:43:32
Speaker
And it will be a ridiculous shoe, but nobody will ever race it there. I think, you know, again, I'm sort of rattling on, but the kind of studies in the science and it's kind of early days for some of that. I'd be interesting to keep an eye on how those bits of research kind of pan out with whether or not people, we don't really know whether or not these shoes are going to lead to more or less injuries, I don't think. I think that's one to watch. I'd say there might be a difference, will there? It's like all the research, but it always just ends up with just get the one that feels nice.
00:44:01
Speaker
I've just taken that 70 millimeter shoe though. Yeah, I mean, I think there might even be a reaction to it. So I'm kind of with Tom and Kifuzi on this. I think they might, yeah. If they can get the same performance out of the lower stack, then... It'll be the BitEffert style backlash. Everyone stopped using those shoes after a while. I hope the future is the Super Blast style. We put a lot of stack on. It's really bouncy and funny. Use it for anything. It only weighs 260 grams. Here you go.
00:44:30
Speaker
You've been very swayed by the Super Blast very quickly. Yeah, I know. I've had little jogs around the house, but it's so exciting. I just feel like there'll be more of that. I think there might be a little bit of the all rounders will develop that, oh, actually, you can use this for everything, but you just need the price to start coming down quite a bit. Unfortunately, it seems the price is going to keep going the other way.
00:44:50
Speaker
All right, well, let's finish this off with a nice easy question.
Favorite Cushioned Running Shoes
00:44:53
Speaker
What are our current favorite cushion shoes? Gary, do you want to start us off? You can pick, get one, you get to pick one. Okay, well, that's good because one of them was apparently unclassified according to Nick's classification. So my three that I had written down. All right, for me, I mean, it's pretty simple. I think it's, well, two, Mac five on cloud monster, those two, my favorites, versatile, nice amount of cushioning balanced in terms of weight.
00:45:17
Speaker
can do everything. What did you pick in the video? Yeah, I can't remember now. I think I might have said Speed 3, but that's... No, you picked a surfer, didn't you? Oh, Cloud Surfer. I do Cloud Surfer. Yeah, Cloud Surfer's another great one. I mean, I've loved the Cloud Surfer more recently as well. Yeah. Three weeks later, you can't change two different picks. Unbelievable. Yeah, I don't know. I think I may have gone back to running in the Mac 5 a bit more recently to do those head-to-heads, and that's... But yeah, all three of those are good. Well, I'm guessing Nick's going to pick Super Bass that he's...
00:45:46
Speaker
I still stick to the velocity nitro too. I won't go on about it because people get very angry when I don't. I'm deleting that out. I can't out of the comments. Sorry I keep recommending a very cheap, good value shoe. I don't want people so angry at me. If I change my mind about what the best shoe was every week, that would be annoying. I don't think it's 50 quid now. Oh, shut up.
00:46:05
Speaker
Go on the mic. I mean, I was, I mean, initially, when we did the video, I thought it was always going to say the cloud surf, but for me, it's the gel Nimbus 25. So I should have just picked up and if I want to go and run it, I'll run it. And I know, you know, I can't actually do massively quick stuff in it, but I just know the upper is really comfortable and that level of cushioning is just the right side of plush for me in terms of where you get it. And it's just been a shoe that I still use on a regular basis now and I'd be happy to use. So that's why it's kind of really stood out for me at the moment.
00:46:33
Speaker
Tom Lacayano, we can move on. Might be. Might be. Get in there. I think I've... It's tricky. I told you about it, Nick. It wasn't on a video. When I was suddenly trying 20... Was it 20? Oh yeah, you were... I'm swaying towards... I'm trying 21 at the moment.
00:46:53
Speaker
But for different reasons, like I wouldn't I'd really struggle to choose between the new balance more v4 and the socket in triumph 21 because I don't use them for the same reason so that's where it starts to get murky with cushion shoes because I basically got to have two of them now. Well you do. That's all I want to wear especially now I'm running 30 minute 5k's. Right all right then lovely stuff. Cheers guys.
00:47:23
Speaker
Right, do you want to do one more marathon? Do I? I've got to find one we haven't done before. I'll finish it too. Oh, I see. It's the running Hugh Chris. Pippa Middleton. Oh, Pippa Middleton. I haven't heard that name in years. Creole Post Big Wedding. Creole Post Big Wedding. Oh, the 2015 Saffarikom Lua marathon in Kenya.
00:47:48
Speaker
Oh, that's a hard one. I've run that. Yeah, that's the one I headed around to, didn't it? Before running with the Kenyans. And she did the Great Wall marathon the year after. Yeah, that safari come, it's hot and it's hilly and it's off-road. I've done it. That would be slow. She's going to have, I reckon, five hours. I will say 5.15. I'm going to go 4.51. 3.56.33. She's fast. That's a good run on that course. That is a hard course.
00:48:16
Speaker
Very interesting. Okay. And finally, Sean Puffy Coombs. I've added to Puffy. I'm assuming he's still called Puffy Coombs. I don't know. What was this? Papa Diddy Pop. This was New York Marathon in 2003. His one goal was apparently to beat Oprah Winfrey.
00:48:37
Speaker
Good. Good to go in with a target. Amazing. I can tell you, every room for you got four hours, 29, 20. I reckon he did four hours, 30, 20. I reckon he did four hours, 29, 80. He kicked Oprah on the line. Yeah. 4.15. Oh, 4.14.54. There we go. Absolute loser, Nick. Not going to get anything.
00:49:06
Speaker
Okay, that's it for marathon quizzes. So what have we got coming up on the channel in the next month or so? We've got lots of round-ups, haven't we? Running watches. Running watches is happening. Now we've got these new garments out of the way. Headphones. Running headphones. Headphones. Yeah, we've got delay headphones. I've just tested you. I've got the list. We've got these new shocks in, which are interesting.
00:49:28
Speaker
or definitely a big deal. We were talking about the new shocks headphones and other videos anyway for sure and a lot of super trainer chat as well. I'd like to get to a round up to that at some point if I can get some testing done. I've got cushion shoes coming up. Caps.
00:49:42
Speaker
the biggest. Caps, I do caps as well. Oh yeah, finally caps. And then we didn't Garmin around up. It's coming at some point. You can't wait anymore Garmin for a while can you? Every time I think about doing it, they release more Garmin. I'm a bit worried that they haven't updated the cheaper end of the range in a while. And that's the end that's in the video is going to be very soon as last year. So I was hoping that they might do something but
00:50:08
Speaker
I don't know, a bit of a quandary, isn't it? A bit of a quandary. I think I might give it till next month. We'll talk about it again next month. Got a very exciting podcast coming up, haven't we, Tom, that I've insisted you let me do? I don't want to mention what that is in case it's complete nonsense. I've never used it. Pretty high chance we don't use it. How does it work? Go on then. Go on then. If my brothers will be doing a podcast where we compare super shoes to a bunch of different characters from Mario Kart to get you a full grid. Yeah, we'll see how that pans out.
00:50:37
Speaker
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00:50:46
Speaker
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00:51:05
Speaker
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