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The Run Testers Podcast | Episode 1
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In the first episode of The Run Testers Podcast, Tom, Mike and Nick talk about Man V Horse, the Nike ZoomX Alphafly Next% 2, the Saucony Speed 3 and Pro 3, the Garmin Forerunner 955 and 255 – and have loads of fun with some "incredible" running facts.
If you listen, you'll also get a nice discount code from our friends over at SportsShoes.
Perfect for that Sunday long run.
Big thanks to Fear of Tigers for the killer intro music. You can listen to more of his stuff over at https://www.patreon.com/fearoftigers
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Transcript
Introduction & Podcast Overview
00:00:06
Speaker
Hey, Tommy from The Run Testers and welcome to the first Run Testers monthly podcast. Now we decided to launch this podcast series because if you're watching this video or you're listening to it as a podcast, you're probably a runner. And we wanted to create something that you could listen to while you're out running. So this is going to be a summary of all of the different things we've been testing, as well as other things as well that we've been up to over the past month that you might like to find out about whilst you're out and about clocking up the
Content Highlights: Kits, Interviews, and Q&A
00:00:33
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miles.
00:00:33
Speaker
It's not just going to be about the latest kit though. We're going to have interviews with athletes and experts in the world of running. We're going to also answer some of the questions that you guys have set us either via YouTube or Instagram. And we're basically just going to talk about running for an hour. So if you're interested in that and you want to find more about all the different things happening in the world of running, this might be the podcast for
Sponsorship Announcement
00:00:56
Speaker
you. This first episode of the podcast is brought to you by our friends over at Sport Shoes.
00:01:01
Speaker
Now, if you're a runner, you probably already know about sport shoes, but they offer a massive range of products from the latest things that have been released to some older versions that are well worth picking up if you can get them for a deal. You can also get a discount of 10% if you use the code TESTERS10. So head over to the sport shoes website and check out what they've got on offer and grab that discount straight away. Right, let's jump in and do the first podcast. Hope you enjoy.
00:01:36
Speaker
So guys, the first Run Testers podcast. Are you excited? Very excited. Hell yeah. Very, very excited. Bring it on.
Team Updates: Jill, Nick, Tom, and Mike
00:01:45
Speaker
Bring the questions on, Tom. Bring it all on. You sounded a little bit sarcastic. So yeah, there's going to be a lot of people listening to this on the run now. They maybe started their run. So, you know, keep them motivated. Let's get poppy. Let's get excited.
00:02:01
Speaker
But let's start by just running through a few of the things that have been happening in the world of running over the past month. Plenty of things going on, especially to do with kit. Probably the first thing that we should mention is we have a new runchester. Yeah, Jill. Yeah.
00:02:18
Speaker
Uh, you may, anybody listening to this who, or watching the video, because this is also going to be on video as well, may have seen the essentials video that we did or the monthly round of video that we did where Jill pops up with no introduction. Um, so Nick, you know, Jill Best, you want to talk, just tell us a little bit about.
00:02:36
Speaker
Who Jill is? She's a very good runner, apparently. Jill, yeah, Jill is Jill Bland, Bland on the run on Instagram. Probably started running because that's such a good username. Jill is now the fastest run tester, I believe. She's a very, very quick woman who runs consistent sub-free marathons, works with the same coach as me. So it'll be great to have another speedy person I can talk to instead of, you know, you slow coaching. It'll be great.
00:02:57
Speaker
Yeah, it'd be really nice for us not to have to talk to you about running fast. Me and Mike can have a nice chat together about just enjoying running and trying to beat each other.
00:03:09
Speaker
Yeah, so expect plenty more from Jill over the coming weeks. I think there's plenty of videos that she's currently testing she's for. So yeah, keep an eye out for Jill and send us a message on the channel as well to welcome Jill to the team. Okay, so right, let's just jump into a nice little chat about what we're all training for.
00:03:39
Speaker
Everyone wants to know about what we're training for. People are out running now, desperate to find out how we're doing with training. Let's start with Nick, get him out of the way. He's the one that's got the proper training. Nick, how's your training going? It's good. I'm into my second or third full week of Berlin marathon training. It's been a bit different to past marathons. Marla just stepped up quite quickly this week. I've got 22 miles this Sunday.
00:04:03
Speaker
Did, sounds a lot of pacey runs last week, but yeah, it's been going really well. Mileage has been creeping up nicely. I was away for a soccer knee launch last week. And if I travel and basically my routine changes at all, my running goes out the window immediately. I'm very, very on the edge all the time. So that was a bit tough. But other than that, yeah, going, going very well. Big miles, lots of shoe testing. How about you guys?
00:04:22
Speaker
Yeah, you have been slightly unnerved this week because your training has upped quite a bit, hasn't it, from your coach? Yeah, normally I hover coming around 80k a week. I don't do massive miles. We've gone up to 110 last week, and it'll be similar again this week. And it's still not huge. I know lots of people do a lot more than that, but I tend to do it in sync. I don't do double days really, so getting it all done in singles is sometimes a bit tough. But it's been really fun. I've loved every minute so far. I love marathon training. It's good to be away from all the short stuff I was doing, which I'm not very good at.
00:04:52
Speaker
And what are you training for? Berlin Marathon. Berlin Marathon, okay. Have you done that before? No, haven't done it before, especially very fast. I'm gonna do Berlin Marathon and London Marathon as a back-to-back this year, but I will not be running London hard. Might actually be running with another run tester, hopefully. Me and Jill might run together. Very exciting. Maybe one day me and Mike will run with you.
00:05:11
Speaker
Yeah, different start. Three-legged race or something. Never going to happen. Mike, you and me are training for the same thing. How's your training going? I don't think we are. I'm training for Operation Beat Tom at a marathon. I don't think we are. It might happen one day, mate. If you take the right route. Too soon. Uncalled for. Uncalled for. Still rule. Still rule.
00:05:35
Speaker
Yeah, I'm training for Chicago, marathon like Tom. It'll be my first US marathon that I've run. I'm about week two of training it as well. And I've had a little bit of an eagle, but ultimately training is kind of up and running basically, which has been good. I'm absolutely nailing my nutrition as always. I've just been eating chicken oats before this podcast, so that's not all covered. Sounds perfect.
00:06:00
Speaker
But yeah, I think ultimately I want to go quicker than I did in Brighton, which was 3.24. If I can knock a decent amount of time off that, I'll be very happy indeed. I'm actually just looking forward to going and doing an American marathon, to be honest. I'm looking forward to being in Chicago and despite them being in a ridiculous situation and making stupid laws. But yeah, I'm looking forward to Chicago and hopefully I can knock off a decent chunk of time off Brighton from earlier this year.
00:06:28
Speaker
Well from the outside looking in. You were up faster than that when we did Bilbao. We all went out to do Bilbao and you were pretty much on for about 3.14 so you can definitely do better for that. But in terms of the grudge match, it's Tom who's put the biggest strides in. He's shared about 12 stone as far as I can tell. He's been training, got a proper plan, training 70k a week. Pressure's on, Mike. I know. Looking better than me in the vest. Looking better than me in the vest.
00:06:57
Speaker
Yeah, well, I'm training for Chicago as well, obviously, but for me, I'm a little bit more focused on it because I quite like to get a sub 3 in it. That's kind of my aim for Chicago. I think when we did Bill Bow, I'd been injured for about six months, hadn't really trained properly, wasn't really focused on my diet or anything like that. We did Bill Bow and I was just pretty surprised to get a 3.12 in it.
00:07:23
Speaker
Now, my mind is in the place where I'm thinking, well, if I can do that by eating McDonald's quite frequently and drinking a little beer, what will happen if I actually do some training and actually use a training plan? So, yeah, I've been using the Hal Higdon training app to do my training over the past week and, yeah, massively bumped up my training to almost 70K, I think about now, 65K.
00:07:46
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So yeah, I've quite focused on that and I really want to get that sub three hours so I can get into Boston as well to tick that one off the box. Not that bothered about doing Boston, but it's a nice focus to have, isn't it? I reckon you're going to go slower. I think it was the McDonald's and the boozing that really brought you on. I'll tell you what, the wrong plan. If I go slower, I'm just going to go straight back to booting every day.
00:08:08
Speaker
But Donald's every day and then really push that train out hard. Cool, okay, so yeah, we've all got training on the cards. We should probably mention now that Kieran is absent from this podcast for a very good reason, that he's currently running a river somewhere.
Kieran's Danube Adventure
00:08:25
Speaker
A little river he's running past, the Danube, that's it. What was it, something like 1,000? 2,000.
00:08:33
Speaker
2,000 miles over 70 days. So he's got a good excuse for not being on the podcast today. He's got internet on. Oh, actually that's very true. That's very true. It'll be a rotating cast on this podcast anyway, won't it? With a few of the others as well, hopefully.
00:08:49
Speaker
Yeah, every time you tune into this podcast there's going to be different people on it talking about different things to keep it a bit more interesting because the last thing you want to hear is Nick talking about his trading plan. We get sick of it and I'm sure you will as well. Now you've got one, what will you talk about?
00:09:08
Speaker
I've only been doing it for a week, I'll get bored of it soon. Okay cool, so trading sounds good for everyone. What other things have happened this month?
Product Launch Discussion: AlphaFly 2
00:09:16
Speaker
We've had the very big launch actually, the AlphaFly 2, it was launched in June. We won't go too much depth now because there's another section coming up later where we actually talk a bit more in depth about the kit that we've been testing and the sort of videos that we've been covering.
00:09:32
Speaker
Very exciting news and it's pretty much everywhere across social media. People banging on about the Alpha. I haven't got it so I'm just annoyed. I've really enjoyed people showing their boxes of their Alpha Fly too. A lot of people unboxing those boxes. Mike just lit it because he bought some Alpha Fly ones. That's true as well. He's been seething about that one.
00:09:57
Speaker
So yeah, the Outfly 2, big launch for June, which we'll talk about a little bit more in the gear section of this video. Interesting news that's happened as well. Not only interesting for certain people, but man versus horse.
Ricky Lightfoot's Historic Win
00:10:10
Speaker
You're both aware of man versus horse, aren't you? I am, yeah.
00:10:12
Speaker
This year was the first year that a man won the race after I think 15 years my notes down here Yeah, yeah first time in 15 years that a man has won the event and it was a Ricky Lightfoot who beat the horse Lane the house boy Written by Kim Albin two minutes and one second behind what shoes shoes were they wearing?
00:10:35
Speaker
Yeah, it's trail-y. The man or the horse? Both. Have you ever thought about doing that race? I got invited to do it once, but it was for an unnamed, let's say, call it a nut butter company, and I had to extensively mention the nut butter during my articles around it. Well, I can't do that because it's largely irrelevant.
00:11:00
Speaker
I have met Ricky Lightfoot actually, he's a very nice guy. Very good fell runner up in the Lake District. But my main view on this is that I don't... should we celebrate the guy or should we really be damming the horse? Because they're the one who slipped up it. That's 15 years. Is there horse use? The horse hasn't been trained. What training method does the horse use? That's what I want to know.
00:11:20
Speaker
yeah interval interval is there a horse podcast somewhere where they're slagging this horse off and not talking about ricky like that's what i want to know yeah probably i'm actually gonna have a look for that in a bit um have you so uh what what are your views on man does it mean anything man versus horse
00:11:37
Speaker
Is it just? I don't know if the horse changes its time each year or how much or I always feel I worry that one year the horse is going to like trip over or something or we're all going to be like, oh, no. But yeah, it seems very much tilted in the horse's favor because, you know, Ricky is very good athlete. But I don't know if there's normally that standard in there or not.
00:11:56
Speaker
I always seems a bit unfair to me that it's a course that people run and the thing that people care about is beating the horse, not your time. So if the horse was really slow, you could do a slow time and you still beat the horse. Yeah, it's true. And you still walk around saying you beat a horse, but just the horse has a bad day. I have raced a train in a race in Wales.
00:12:14
Speaker
Oh, I've always wanted to do that race. Absolutely brilliant race, incredibly muddy, like apocalyptically muddy. I did think the train, the train's very consistent, unlike a horse, so you know what you have to, you can pace to beat the train, but your problem is, yeah, you're suddenly half through the race, you're on this deep, cambered mud and it suddenly becomes a bit of a nightmare, but haven't raced any animals as yet. Could race Taz, my cat, very slow, famously.
00:12:35
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think you can have a problem against Taz. Unless Taz is really holding it back and put her to the test and she's actually ridiculously fast. She's been saving the energy for the past few years. She's been saving it for like four years now. It'd be incredible, yeah. Ricky Lightfoot though, great example of nominative determinism. That's a good name for a runner as you can have really, isn't it?
00:12:56
Speaker
Yeah, it's almost like a change of ID poll. Cool, all right then. Let's just have a little bit of a break in between news at the moment, just to add in a little running fact.
Fun Fact: Treadmill Origins
00:13:06
Speaker
I love these. I'm gonna pepper these in amongst the podcasts. There's a lot of people listening on their run now. They're probably getting bored of our voices talking about these things, so you just need to break it up a little bit. So, running fact for you now, the treadmill was originally designed for English prisoners as a tool for punishment.
00:13:24
Speaker
I should also point out that these facts are not verified in any way whatsoever. I've just been on the web looking for running facts, and there are a lot of them. Some of them are quite tenuous. That one's real. My editor at a magazine I used to work for was very keen on it. We put it in the magazine at least twice.
00:13:40
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. So there you go people listening to this. If you're on a treadmill, maybe get off it and go outdoors. It's a method of torture. All right, there's another one of those in a bit. I hope you enjoyed that. My worry is that people are going to hear the fact that you just start sprinting for a while. They're going to be so revved up and we're going to ruin their run.
00:13:56
Speaker
They are exciting, aren't they, these facts? Okay, so other things happening, love trails is going on this weekend.
Love Trails Event Highlights
00:14:04
Speaker
Me and Mike have been to love trails. We have. Had a great time, actually. Did you have a beer mile there, or something? We did do the beer mile. I think you can see video evidence of that on YouTube from the Running Channel. Yeah, it wasn't our finest moment. In fact, it was pretty fine for me, actually. Well, you were massively hungover, weren't you?
00:14:21
Speaker
I was massively over. I was desperate for a beer. You're making me do this run. And I enjoyed the beer. I actually made the run easier, but everyone else was moaning that they don't want to drink a beer and run a mile. I was like, that's exactly what I want to do. Don't want to run the mile. I just want to drink the beer. But that's going on this weekend. I think it's the first proper one they've had in a couple of years, obviously, because of Covid. So it sounds like it's going to be pretty big. I even know people that are going straight from Glastonbury and that's their next plan. So
00:14:50
Speaker
yeah a bit of a mix of uh events there where's that down in the gower this year that's in the gower yeah yes back at the gower yeah my uh my absolute favorite run and i think i did the last few years was long run in the gower outrageously good looking place hmm was that a road run or uh along the coastal trail there but there's a fair bit of actually road to i'd had to do road back to get back to my uh where i was staying obviously but yeah other than that yeah it was along the cliffs around rossaly and so on yeah lovely place yeah me and me and mike did a uh
00:15:19
Speaker
We did about 20, 22k runs, something like that. I think we got onto the beach, didn't we? It was pretty nice. Well, I got lost, didn't I? I didn't see you for a couple of hours. I was there with my family in Welsh, and they're going, oh, it's just so busy, so busy there. And I come from London, and I was like, oh, God, how busy is this going to be? It's not busy. It's busy for whales, but it's not busy, really. Eight people wandering down the street.
00:15:46
Speaker
Cool, so more products that we'll chat about a little bit later. We've had the release of the Speed 3 and the Sockini Endorphin Pro 3. We've only got the Speed 3 so far. You guys haven't got the Pro yet. Not yet. Coming soon. Coming very soon. Nick's got the Speed 3 at the moment, so he's been testing that out. You can actually see a first run on the website about the Speed 3.
00:16:13
Speaker
Nick, I'm going to hold you off now, instead of talking about it, because we're going to talk about that later. I know you're getting excited to tell people about the Speedry. Repped up, but you're going to have to wait a little bit longer. So yeah, that's, I think I said pretty good. Anything else happening in the running world at the moment that we know about or care about? Lots of trials, British and American trials, the Olympics, but yeah, they've been quite exciting. I've enjoyed them. Well, there you go. That's our roundup of the world of running for June.
00:16:44
Speaker
Right then guys, let's get to kit. Now this section is different gear. Viewers of the YouTube channel will know that we do occasionally do different gear. We did a few episode of different gear last year and one with on earlier on this year. We're going to add this into the podcast. There's a section where each month we do a roundup of the kit that we've tested and just talk about how good it is, what we thought about it.
00:17:08
Speaker
The majority of the stuff that we talk about here, you're probably going to find on the YouTube channel. So we'll be having plenty of reviews and first runs and versus about these products.
In-Depth Review: Nike AlphaFly 2
00:17:19
Speaker
But this is a bit of a simple roundup where you can get a taster of our testing that we've been doing over the past month. So the big one that I know you're willing to talk about, Nick, is the Alpha Fly 2.
00:17:31
Speaker
How have we found this shoe? Well, I've been loving it. I'm not going to lie. It's crazy looking, crazy expensive, that's for sure. But it's a pretty fantastic shoe. It's remarkably quick, given the size. And it doesn't feel as big or anything like that on the foot. When you're running in a good straight line on good roads, it's pretty hard to beat. Since the review, I did a five-mile race in it, which obviously isn't its big distance. And I kind of did the race, and I was pleased. And we got a teammate, and I didn't really think about the time really properly until afterwards. And I looked at it, and I realized,
00:18:00
Speaker
yeah i like it i was a the day after a session basically we're training through the race and it was on tired legs and we've done about 80k for the week i think and um and i ran like my my fastest ever five miles actually interestingly quite a lot quicker than i ran in the street fly on a flat course two months earlier when fresh which is a big blow for the street fly in my opinion and yeah it was on like 10k pv pace so yeah it's it's pretty incredible i think it's a great shoe i think it's really interesting it's probably suits different runners like the first one did a bit because it is so big but
00:18:28
Speaker
you feel semi-invincible when you put it on. It's just so big and bouncy. And so far, it's certainly top of my list for the Berlin Marathon late this year. Problem is, it's quite a hard shoot. Actually, I think we discussed a slight of a question potentially, but it's quite a hard shoot to find a good training partnership for because it does feel quite different to a lot of things. And I still worry about how I'll feel late in races with it, even though I've done a good marathon in the off-flow one, my marathon PB. But yeah, it is quite unusual for sure. So trying to get a lot of miles in it without wrecking it for the races, my aim basically this summer.
00:18:57
Speaker
Hmm. Yeah. Well, it definitely seems to be turning a few heads at the moment. Kieran was very impressed with it when he did a run in it a couple of weeks back. Yeah. And equally, I'm seeing lots of people who have picked it up online raving about it.
00:19:13
Speaker
Yeah, it'd be interesting to see what happened. But Mike's probably sat there thinking, oh, I wonder what the first one's like. I've barely used it. Well, I'll be interested to see what happens with the outflow, because when the first one launched, loads of hype, everyone's very excited, everyone raved about it, but then people turned against it slightly over the next 18 months, because it is so big and weird, I think. I actually prefer the idea that the Vape Flies are stripped back, traditional shoe, and obviously that's still also a huge, monstrosity of a shoe in its own way.
00:19:35
Speaker
I wonder if people will start turning against it again in time. I will say, I stayed true to the original Alpha Flight, it's always been a favourite, but yeah, some people just still don't love the feeling of running in it.
00:19:44
Speaker
Okay, and your first view on the AlfaVai 1 versus the 2, is it worth getting the 2? So, I said in our video, and I still would say this, it's 275, what, quid, the AlfaVai 2? Hard to get, not many colours. If I was buying now, I'd be picking up a deal on the AlfaVai 1, and there are a lot of them around. I think the new one is slightly better, but it's also slightly heavier. So, you know, I think it is an improvement overall. I think it's a slightly faster shoot all round, probably, but I'd get the one for now for sure. And if you'd already got the one, I wouldn't be rushing out.
00:20:13
Speaker
and buying it straight away. So, it's, you know, no shoe. It's a good shoe, but no shoe is good value at that price as it really has the problem. So glad you said that. So glad you said that, Nick. What I wouldn't do is buy the up I won just before the two came out. The deal wouldn't be as good. When you already had a load of calm coaches, you could test instead of that. Yeah, yeah. That'd be a bad choice.
00:20:36
Speaker
Well, we're talking about carbon plate shoes. There's a lot of them out at the moment. Mike, you've been testing a few as well. What's going on with carbon plate shoes at the moment? They just seem to be coming out every week or so. There's a glut. There's a glut, isn't there, at the moment. I guess they're all kind of getting them out there to kind of make sure they're kind of, I guess, approved. And I mean, I haven't had the Nike shoes. I haven't looked at Sockney yet, but that's going to be coming soon. I have been using
00:21:02
Speaker
the mess speed sky plus and the i've just got the edge plus i did a 10k race with it last week and i actually did a run with it today and uh i you know it's i was a big fan of the original sky and it's actually been really nice to actually try the edge which nick has also got as well and and just trying to get a sense you know this whole cadence stride you know stride runners thing that a6 is really pitching with these shoes i i've i found
00:21:30
Speaker
Particularly for me in the kind of that shorter run that I preferred the edge plus I think maybe But you know very much still on the fence in terms of if I had to pick one Which one would I go? I think I would still in wait at the moment I'm still thinking I would probably side for the sky plus from a marathon point of view I don't know how you feel about in it because you've done a fair bit of test it or a bit of testing with them both now as well and
00:21:52
Speaker
Yeah, I found it really interesting. I did a workout where I used them kind of both, basically did a series of reps and swapped the shoes, like I did three reps in the Edge Plus and two in the Sky, and it was really noticeable. I am the classic cadence runner for the Edge Plus, it should work for me, and it did feel a lot more natural on my foot, I will say that, but the Sky felt really weird for like a minute, but once I basically adjusted very slightly into how it wanted me to run, it felt a bit bouncier, maybe, yeah, I was still struggling to say which is better, like the Edge Plus does feel more natural, but then the Sky,
00:22:20
Speaker
Plus, it feels great, and I've got PBs in both the first and second edition of the Sky Plus, so yeah, I think they're both really good shoes. And I think for me, they certainly stand out in the market as the two, the Aztec shoes in general is the closest to Nikes in terms of performance. And a massive thing I noticed, I can see now why triathlons, triathletes love these shoes, because I was doing like, I had a two minute break between reps to change shoes. I don't do transition training, I don't do any cycling or swimming really, but they're so easy to get on and off, it's mad, whereas the Nikes take forever.
00:22:47
Speaker
Yeah, I'm glad you guys have, I've only got the Sky Plus, so I'm glad you guys have got them, because I think anybody who's trying to shop for these shoes, it's so confusing trying to work out what the difference is between these two shoes. And I've got one of them, and I can't imagine what the other one would be like, so very interesting. I'm actually going to try and steal Mike's pair at some point to give it a test.
00:23:08
Speaker
All right, let's move on from carbon plate shoes now. We've mentioned those too much.
Debate: Low Stack vs. Full Carbon Shoes
00:23:12
Speaker
Let's go on to the low stack super shoes. This is something that they've been around for a while, but recently that's really picked up. And I think we've all got a few of these, but what exactly are these low stack super shoes?
00:23:27
Speaker
Well, that they're away to sell more shoes is one thing. They still got carbon plates. But yeah, it's this idea that, you know, ever since carbon shoes came out with their 40 millimetre stacked limit, when they all started bumping up against that high limit, there's been people saying things like, oh, you know, they're not great for cornering. And it's true a lot of the time, they aren't great for cornering. And on twisty courses, on broken ground.
00:23:45
Speaker
Actually, sometimes they can be a bit of a hindrance, I guess. So there's this new breed of low. And by low stack, we are talking generally the same stack height as the original Vaporfly 4%. So, you know, the Streetfly is like 32 millimeters, 33 millimeters. The Takumi's around there. I think the New Balance Supercompacer is slightly lower, but it's still not low enough to even use in track races. So it's well over 25 millimeters.
00:24:06
Speaker
So they're low stack in a way that five years ago these would be in the ultimate marathon racing shoe But yeah, they're interesting. I'm not sold on the idea. I think I really really like the Takumi-sen, the Adidas shoe I think I think that's just a great shoe for any distance really Maybe you might want to something slightly more cushion now it's available for the marathon But the others so far I've enjoyed using them and they're fun to use but I don't think they're really proven themselves to be better than the full carbon shoes so far
00:24:34
Speaker
So that's, I think, really the problem for them. It's the idea that you need another racing shoe when people have already invented the ultimate racing shoe, haven't they really? I don't know if you guys have, you've raced in any of the new ones yet, but I don't know how you've got on with them. Yeah, I've only used the Pacer personally, but I think that where I found them kind of most
00:24:53
Speaker
kind of nice as nice as to use it's kind of been in full and track sessions and it's kind of shorter quicker stuff but I think pretty much what Nick says I think there's probably shoes that you can get that can deliver that already at a distance and probably go further than I think you can in and I think at least from the super comp pace a point of view I wouldn't want to go further than probably 1015 K in it I don't think whereas I think you can get a shoe that can work at those distances
00:25:16
Speaker
and also go longer and you're getting one shoe ultimately. I've enjoyed it. I've definitely enjoyed the runs that I've done in them and having that more low grounded feel of that shoe. Will it stick in my rotation? I'm not 100% sure. I think there's probably other shoes.
00:25:32
Speaker
that probably work a little bit better, a bit more versatile I would say as well. Yeah, I have been enjoying the Pater, but I've done some track sessions in it. Really enjoy it for those short sessions, but I just, I think people are so used to the high stack, calm plate shoes that going back to something that's lower stack is very difficult and you really notice it over short, like once you get to about three, four, five K,
00:25:57
Speaker
you can you really think oh i just wish i had a bit more bounce and cushioning in this shoe i think they're great but i also don't with the pacer i don't really notice the carbon plate it almost seems pointless to me that carbon plate i don't think it's the same for you guys yeah i agree yeah i think about them is is that it's like i think of the three that i think the street fly is the lowest performer in terms of shoe like i've done a race in it and it just doesn't really live up to the same kind of performance as a carp shoe but it's probably the closest to what would make this shoe work which is that it's considerably cheaper than a carbon shoe the street fly
00:26:23
Speaker
doesn't have a plate. So in the end, we've got this very lightweight, fun, bouncy trainer that you can use for sessions and that. Whereas the other two, they're claiming that they're priced like you can get a carbon sheet for that, especially given that carbon sheets are in sales these days and things like that. So if you can end up with these kind of
00:26:38
Speaker
you know, low stack, fun, very lightweight, old stall, weight of an old racing flat, but with a bit more cushion. They're great training options. I think they're a lot of fun to use, but you're not going to pay the same as you would for, you know, a reduced vapor fly that you could just use for the same purpose. So I think the Zagumi is a brilliant shoe. And I think actually within Adidas' range, I think it might be the best racing shoe they have full stop. But when you're looking, comparing it to things like the vapor fly, which you can get for basically the same price, doesn't really work. So maybe if we see
00:27:04
Speaker
a raft of these coming out around 100 and 120 quid which we won't but I'd love to say we did then they're a great fast training option Takumi has been more or less my main fast training option for a lot of this year but you can't justify the price when it's not as good as a full carbon shoe when you've already made the full carbon shoe
00:27:20
Speaker
Well, I think we've spoken about those tax shoes enough though. It's probably time for another running fact as well. Log over to you. Another 10 years running fact. So apparently the human heart creates enough pressure to squirt blood 30 feet when running.
00:27:35
Speaker
Not sure he's tested that. Whose heart is that, yeah? Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't have liked to have been part of that study. But yeah, so there you go. So that's really useful information if you're a runner and you were wondering. Also when you're running, try not to think about your heart and blood too much.
00:27:52
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Squirting out. Okay, more kit that we've been testing. The Speed 3. Now, we mentioned this earlier. Big, big, exciting shoe. I don't think there's a shoe that exists that we've spoken about as much as, well, actually, the puma velocity nitro. But the Speed 2 seems to crop up in everyone's list as the best shoe out there at the moment for daily training miles. It can do pretty much anything.
00:28:17
Speaker
Nick, you're the only one who's got the speed-through at the moment. Let everyone know. Is their excitement justified? Is the speed-through going to be as good or better than the speed-through? No, it's dreadful. It's gone. They've ruined it. Yeah, I know there's been a fair bit of talk about changes here, but it actually ends up being, I think, quite minimal in use. I think for some people, there'll be a very big important change.
00:28:41
Speaker
They've made the plate, got slight little wings on it, and basically that means your foot's more likely to stay on the plate when you're running, it's slightly more stable. I know some people did talk about the speed to one and two being slightly unstable, especially around the heel. So you've got a slightly broader base, slightly winged plate, bit more room in the shoe as well, it's a bit wider. If you have a narrow foot like me, you're going to have to pull those laces a little bit tighter to get it in place.
00:29:01
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I, when I tried it, I thought it felt a little bit softer to me as well, the phone, but I put this to the Scockity product guy at the launch in Paris, and he went, nah, it's the same phone. I've probably just used the Endorphin Speed 2 quite a lot, and that's hardened up a bit as a result. So it is, I think, quite a similar experience to the previous shoe, but with a touch more stability, a touch more width, which I think is exactly what they should have done with the shoe, because when we talked about the shoe in videos and we all praised it, I think the only real comments criticizing it were talking about the fact they find it
00:29:29
Speaker
too unstable and not wide enough that kind of thing so i think they've done a good job of addressing that while still making it just as good for the people who didn't have those problems like myself and i've done you know a couple of runs in it so far and i've loved it just as much as ever really and now it's in hot pink which is spot on
00:29:44
Speaker
There you go, listeners and viewers. Hot off the press, there's Nick's take on the Speed 3. Me and Mike haven't tested it yet, so I can't really comment on that. So let's jump onto a shoe that I can comment on. I haven't tested the Speed 3, so I'll get annoyed that I can't ever get any comparisons with it. The Brooks Glitter in 20. We won't spend too long on this shoe because we've got a video up on it. We've got a few videos up on the channel about the Brooks Glitter in 20.
00:30:15
Speaker
As any any any of you will probably know I'm a massive fan of cushion shoes and the Brooks glycerin line has been one of my favorites for a while so it's been pretty exciting to see the Brooks glycerin 20 come out because it's had quite a big update it's it's got this new nitrogen infused DNA loft v3 yeah mid-sulfur have you got it as well Mike? I've got it yeah I was in the review
00:30:41
Speaker
oh okay perfect this is the perfect one to talk about then let's start with mike then mike what do you think to the brooks glycerin 20 so i i haven't run in a glycerin for a long time so i was quite looking forward to it but i'm mainly looking forward to this because obviously that phone was in the brooks aurora shoe that we all got sent i think all of us got it yeah and i was preparing to hate that shoe because of how ridiculous it looked and when i went out in it i absolutely loved it and then obviously the idea was that that phone would make it into these shoes so it's obviously in the glycerin 20 so that's
00:31:08
Speaker
the main part that I was looking forward to and it was good. I mean, I did enjoy running it. It's almost like I felt it was I wanted more of that foam in there. I think that's what came or what I came away from in that, in my experience of running in that shoe. I know I joined it. I think it's a strong, it's a very good cushion shoe option. I just hope there was a bit more of that DNA, a lot of D3 foam in there to kind of make it a bit more enjoyable for me personally, compared to some of the other shoes that are doing things, you know, innovating with their kind of foams and midsole tech as well.
00:31:38
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's a tricky one with the glycerin line because
00:31:41
Speaker
It is a heavily cushioned shoe, but it's always trying to straddle this cushioning with more daily training miles. It definitely veers towards the heavily cushioned, but I think it aims to be something a little bit more. It aims to be something you can use for your daily miles and go a little bit faster in it, which is probably something that's trying to do with the new nitrogen-infused mid-cell, which I do think is a bit punchier, a little bit bouncier, and a tiny bit more responsive. I actually think it's an improvement on the Brooks Glycerin 19.
00:32:08
Speaker
foam and I still love the shoe. Nick, we've spoken about this a few times. What are your views on it? Yeah, I like it a lot. I think I'm not a huge user of massive cushion shoes. Like even on my easy runs, I prefer generally a daily training shoe like the Losty Nitro, but there are two that I really like and the Stiglycerin is one and the Invincible is the other one. They're both shoes that I love pulling on. I always finish a run thinking that I'd love to do a couple more K in these if I had the time or, you know, was allowed to by my coach.
00:32:35
Speaker
So, yeah, I'm a really big fan of it. I think it kind of works for lots of runners. Like, yeah, most keen runners, I say it's definitely a shoe to be your easy shoe in your rotation. And I think I like to recommend to people who are quite new to running, then they can use it for everything, I think, because it is a bit bouncier.
00:32:51
Speaker
but it's very comfortable. It's more about that protection it offers. But I do think the ride changed quite a lot from the Aurora pilot because there's a proper full outsole on the glycerin, because it's got to be more durable. The Aurora was a bit of a fun shoe. They could make it not necessarily last hundreds and hundreds of miles, though I think it still held up quite well.
00:33:09
Speaker
For me, I think this is a great version of this, but I really want to see this foam in the Ghost, because I think the Ghost line was meant to be a more versatile daily training shoe in Brooks' lineup, and it's basically become very similar to the Glycerin with slightly different geometry. And I think that's the shoe that could really benefit from having a much punchier midsole. Maybe they could strip back a bit of the outsole and, you know, it might not last quite as long, but I think it'll be a much more exciting shoe to use day to day. At the moment, I don't really see the point of the Ghost, because the Glycerin is just better, and it's too heavy to really be versatile.
00:33:38
Speaker
so hopefully that's what I want to see. It'll be very interesting to see if Brooks uses this foam on their top-end carbon shoes. I think it's probably too heavy. They focus very much on weight with the DNA flash foam and things like the Hyperion Tempo and Elite, but those nitrogen-infused foams just don't have the bounce back of a lot of top-brand carbon shoes, so I still think they're waiting for that perfect foam, but the DNA Loft Thief 3 works really well for general use.
00:34:02
Speaker
Cool. All right. I think that's enough for shoes now. Shoe heavy first. That'll do everyone for
Comparison: Garmin Forerunner 955 vs. 255
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shoes now. So let's finish off with a couple of exciting watches that we've all been testing over the past few weeks. Mike, you're the resident watch expert. So we've had the Garmin 40955 and the 40255. How have you found these watches so far?
00:34:26
Speaker
Yeah, so I've been wearing both for the last, well, probably just under a month, I guess now. And I think obviously the 255 is that follow-up to a series in the Forerunner range, which has probably proved to be the most popular and probably the one that we would probably, I think,
00:34:43
Speaker
in the team would probably opt for if it was our money. That's the watch we'd go for. So in the two, 255, you've still got a kind of music, non-music edition. You've got a smaller size now. You've got, I think, which is the biggest thing for me, and I know it's the biggest thing for Nick, is the multi-band motorport, which we had in the Phoenix and the Epics, and now it's been brought down to 255.
00:35:05
Speaker
And then that's also come onto the 955. There's slight differences in the design from the 945 to the 955, but ultimately I think it's mainly that multi-band support. We're getting something in terms of recovery, so HRV status, which is something that we're starting to see more about in terms of just watches and kind of tech in general. Basically looking at trying to improve when, you know, monitoring your recovery, when you should train, trying to better inform you in terms of that information,
00:35:35
Speaker
Now personally for me, I think the one that stood out for me from the two watches while I've been testing has been the 255. I think having that addition of the multi-band at that price and I think also things that we've added the kind of training readiness which is something you can talk about as well. The 945 for me, I think the 945 if you can get it a good price I still think it's a good watch. You don't have that multi-band
00:36:00
Speaker
support. I think the battery life is slightly better. I don't think it's massively leaps beyond what you're, you know, in terms of what you're getting from a Phoenix 6 to a Phoenix 7 or from that point of view. But yeah, for me, the 255 is the one that impressed me most in terms of my testing and in terms of where it sits and what it brings to that price range. That's the one I think would prove to me to be a bit more exciting in terms of the launch, I think.
00:36:21
Speaker
That's interesting. I'd probably go the other way actually on this, which may be surprising because 255, I think it's great, it's got multi-pound. I've actually not found it amazing in my testing. The multi-pound on the 255, the 955 has been more accurate, but it's also that it went up in price, the 255, and it's now kind of 300, 350.
00:36:36
Speaker
whereas the 955 came down in price and at 480, this is all UK, pounds, sorry, we've got the dollar somewhere, I'm sure we'll have them in the videos, that is, I think, an amazing saving for all the features that you get on the very best kind of Phoenix and Epic watches, which actually aren't even the cheapest, like, the cheapest Phoenix doesn't have multiband, does it?
00:36:54
Speaker
So it does represent very interesting value. I think really good value. But I was using the battery. I think this is going to be interesting to me. When they bring training readiness and HIV to the Phoenix and the Epics, I want to see if that battery life drops off because the 955 has been lasting me like eight days kind of max. And I'm using multiband, obviously, but I think Garmin is starting to pick up what it does at night, which is always what drained Polar watches, I think, which they only last seven days because there's so much sleep stuff going on. If Garmin is going to improve there,
00:37:23
Speaker
It'd be interesting to see if they start to lose battery life on things like the Phoenix 7. So that's what I'm going to look at when they roll out that update. I'll be all over that, testing some battery life there. But yeah, I'm pleased they brought a lot of stuff down. I wish training readiness had dropped down there as well. I found the training readiness to be surprisingly good. It's actually not wearing my Oura ring anymore. I think it's good enough that I don't want a separate device there for that information as well.
00:37:45
Speaker
I actually, this is the first time I've tried one of the nine range of watches. I never got a chance to try the 945, so I'm really warm to it. I've had my Phoenix 6 off since I've been testing this, and it's done everything I've wanted it to do and more, so I'm really enjoying the 955. And actually, as you said, Mike, 255,
00:38:05
Speaker
I'm wearing these the same time and they're both giving me the same information that I'm looking at all the time. So I'm not really seeing a massive difference in the sort of general use of these watches. One thing that I'm actually really enjoying is the morning report. I think it's limited. So the morning report, you get the little welcome message in the morning saying, here's your HRV update. Here's your training readiness and all these things. I absolutely love it. I'm not really finding it that useful.
00:38:32
Speaker
It's just nice to have someone wake you up in the morning with a little bit of information. Your recovery is poor. Have a good day. I'm marathon training for the first time in my life, so I'm looking at it going, oh yeah, that's right, I'm not ready. Whereas normally, I get up every day and the watchers tell me that I'm completely ready to train because I've not been doing anything.
00:38:55
Speaker
So yeah, no, I'm really enjoying the 955 especially, I think, there's a lot of nice stuff in it. Not so keen on the race, what's it called? Race widget, where you put a race in that's happening in the future and it's meant to modify the training suggestions that you get. I put in Race to the Stones, which is a 100k race happening in, I think it's next weekend, I put it in a month ago.
00:39:17
Speaker
Training suggestions don't seem to be backing that up in any way. It's like I'm training for a 10k. It's just giving me like go for out for a run for an hour This is not gonna do me. Yeah 100k ultra So I don't I maybe pushed it a little bit far without maybe it's not really designed for people doing 100k ultras But you think it would modify a bit and go, you know, you need to be doing
00:39:40
Speaker
Yeah, I think the trainings are great. I do like it though because I did a race with it on Friday and at the end he goes, oh, is this race? And then it gives you like a special graphic, you know, like for the race result, which I thought was quite cool. But I think the problem with it on the watch is every time I scroll through my widgets and it says this many weeks to the Berlin Marathon, I get like a really unnecessary shot of adrenaline I don't need like every time during the day. So I might take it off there.
00:40:01
Speaker
I think also the key thing that I've noticed in my testing is I feel like feasibly a lot of these software features could end up in the older watches and I think that's always a thing for me that people might be looking at these watches and thinking, oh I've missed out on this but I think outside of
00:40:17
Speaker
I guess the multiband stuff, I think a lot of this software stuff could be on other watches. So, I mean, you know, that would be another reason to maybe not jump in, I think, straight away. Interesting for me is after testing, I actually still want to go back to my epics. And I think that is because of the colour screen, which I didn't think that would be the case. And that would be something that's swaying back to using that watch. But because ultimately you're getting the same features on the 955.
00:40:43
Speaker
I love that colour screen and the epics. Yeah, I want the epics back on. I want it there with readiness though. My big fear is that the epics will lose some battery and it will be like, you know, drop it. Yeah, at the moment I'm keeping the 9.5 level on just because I am enjoying the readiness thing, just because I've upped the mileage. It's interesting to see, you know, try and force myself to sit still and recover as much as possible. But yeah, I can't use the morning reports. It's exactly the same as that HRV training app where you have to scan your finger each morning. I get woken up by a topper.
00:41:10
Speaker
Alba, just chill out. I need to check my morning report. She's climbing over me. She's saying, oh, a cow's eating your hair. It's grass. It's grass. And it's like, there's no Alba's next door. Yeah, cow is not real. It's a toy cow. But yeah, every morning it's like, my hair is grass.
00:41:29
Speaker
She does understand heart rate variability and she has no interest in me checking it. Very strange behavior. Cool, alright. We should probably move on from Kit now because we've got on for quite a while about it. Let's move on to something a little bit more, I'd say, fun. Let's answer some questions. We've got the fact first on.
00:41:48
Speaker
fact fact the facts the facts coming in a bit i realize everyone listening to this podcast is probably just fast forwarding to the facts but you've got to listen to the rest of it to enjoy the facts more the facts are meant to be a break in the monotony of us talking so so just enjoy it as part of the journey
00:42:13
Speaker
Okay, so in this section, we have taken some of your questions. So we get a lot of comments from you guys and quite often don't have time to answer all of them because as the channel's grown, more of you are asking questions. So in this section, we're gonna answer some of the questions that you've given us, whether that's through messages on Instagram, whether that's in the comments on a YouTube video and give it a little bit more attention. So if you do have a question, post us a message on Instagram or YouTube and we may cover it in the podcast.
00:42:40
Speaker
So let's start with a simple one and these are the first viewer from Instagram and they're DMs so I'm not going to mention the people who sent them in case they don't want that. Their name is mentioning. It might be for a birthday present or something you don't know. So we've got Hocka Carbon X versus Adidas Adizero Adios Pro 2. Someone's about to start their London marathon training and after something that's versatile for long runs, intervals and tempo sessions.
00:43:07
Speaker
Nick, what do you think? The Pro 2 is a better shoe. If you're worried about instability, then the carbon is better. It's more stable shoe, certainly. If you're not using it for the racing, just for training, then maybe the carbon. But the Pro 2 is a better super shoe, more explosive, faster, fun, bouncier. But yeah, a little bit unstable with that big midsole cutout. So if you're very worried about that, maybe pick up the hocker. Okay, Mike, you can tackle this one. Hi guys, FR255 or Polar Pacer Pro. Which one to buy?
00:43:36
Speaker
Okay, I'll keep this pretty brief. I mean, they're pretty similar in terms of features you get. I think the key things that differentiate these two watches, I think you're getting more smartwatch features on the Forerunner 245 in comparison to the Polar. You've got some there, but I don't think they're as well executed. You've got that multi-band support, which should, in theory, improve accuracy.
00:43:58
Speaker
I think the main thing for me is you can import routes on both of them but on the Polar you have to do it through commutes whereas with Garmin I think it's a bit more straightforward in terms of that kind of importing those routes into it. So those would be the key things that I think they're very good watches. I think I could see where you would want to compare them. I would probably side with the 255 but I think the Polar Post Pro is a very good watch you know in terms of pure running features as well.
00:44:23
Speaker
So I've got one here, I'll give this one a go, but you can delve in. It says, Chapu's message is on Instagram. He is asking for suggestions for older runners. So runners that are in their 50s. He's saying he's running 530 kilometers, half marathon, and looking to go full marathon distance soon.
00:44:40
Speaker
He's asking if shoes like the Endorphin Speed or the Hawker Mac 4 are suitable for that pace or would you recommend something different? He also says, do you recommend a softer, more cushioned shoes for older runners trying to hit weekly miles?
00:44:56
Speaker
So I would say with this one that it's totally dependent upon the individual. Like the Hawker Mac 4 and the Endorphin Speed, it depends on how you run and stuff. Those shoes might not work for you if you're a type of runner that does want loads of cushioning, because there's shoes that have way more cushioning than those options. But I would probably say that if I was running at that pace and I wasn't going for really fast PEBs and stuff,
00:45:20
Speaker
I probably wouldn't go for those shoes, especially at marathon distance. I'd probably go for something a little bit more cushioned, a little bit more comfortable over those miles that just sort of covers you for that impact and just is a little bit more secure and comfortable for those runs. What do you guys think?
00:45:37
Speaker
Yeah, probably the same. I would look at cushion shoe first, something like the glycerin or that new balance one you loved on, the more... More V3. Yeah, something maybe with a nice rocker or a nice new foam in it, just so you can roll through the pace a bit quite easily as well. But that's probably where I'd start. And then if I was feeling that it was too much cushioning, then you could look at the lighter, more stripped back things.
00:45:59
Speaker
Yeah, they're definitely the Mach 4 and the Mach 5 that's just about to come out and the speed. They're definitely shoes that you get the most benefits out of them if you're really going all out. You're trying to get those speed benefits if you're tempo training at a higher pace or, I mean, people use the speed, the speed two for racing because it's, you know, that plate in it and the foam really is beneficial for running fast. So probably not going to get the benefits out of those shoes that you would get
00:46:26
Speaker
You probably want the comfort side of it. I definitely go for that. Okay, so right. Sorry guys. It's it's running fast time This is quite an interesting one actually. It's quite a bit more in-depth The world record for running a half marathon backwards is one hour 40 minutes and that's by a German Akim Arets He set the world record for that for the fastest half marathon in 2009 in Essen
00:46:49
Speaker
but it doesn't stop there. Marcus Jürgen, another German athlete, holds the marathon world record for, well, for the marathon with a 3-3-8-2-7 marathon in 2019 in Hanover. So, not bad. Luckily, I'm just pretty pleased that my times for running normally are better than that.
00:47:11
Speaker
Why is it all Germans? What are they doing over there? I think it seems like a big deal. Maybe they just got it wrong. Doping. Just haven't got the memo. Another one of those next polls. That's the last fact today. If you do have any interesting running facts, please let us know. We're going to run out of them on Google soon. Honestly, I went through about 200 and some of them were just nonsense. They weren't even facts.
00:47:37
Speaker
Okay a bit of advice for a chap called Philip Dooley who's commented on YouTube he is 100 kilograms 6 foot 2 so he's looking for an everyday shoe that could also do a marathon any good suggestions from you guys
00:47:54
Speaker
Nice cushy, something like, yeah, probably glycerin, triumph, one of the ASICs, cumulus nimbus, just, yeah, ease into that kind of thing, because, yeah, if you're weighing it more, you might put a bit more impact on the legs. That'd probably be my first thought. The rides, maybe the rides as well, maybe. Rides, yeah, I'd probably say they're not, ride 15s, 14s, probably not cushioned enough, I'd say. I like a cushioned shoe and they just don't do it for me. Tommy's a lot of cushioned.
00:48:19
Speaker
But it would be it would be it would be on the list. I would say something like I mean the fresh air 1080 The 10 and 11 and 12 to an extent. Although I think that's a little bit Softer, I think you'd need something a bit firmer. I think they're a good option just as an all-round shoe that it's not the best shoe for anything but It takes a lot of boxes and it's got plenty of cushioning in so and I know a lot of people who run marathons in that shoe just because it's
00:48:45
Speaker
You know, you do your training. Buy one shoe, do your training in it, do the marathon in it. Yeah. Everyone's happy. I'd probably say something like the glycerin is a little bit more of an acquired taste. It just might have a bit too much cushioning if you're running a marathon in it. I probably would never run a marathon in it, but it would be a comfy ride. You would do a marathon at the end. You go, that was enjoyable.
00:49:04
Speaker
Yeah, and don't, something a bit cheaper, never discount the Pegasus, the new version's pretty good. Cushioned, does a bit of everything. Yeah, that's a good version. Pume of Losty Nitro. Yeah, yeah, I was wondering if that might be a bit too soft, but yeah, that's another great shoe. Cool. All right then, Belisarius, he says, would you pick the Nike Invincible 2 or the Nova Blast 2 for easy days?
00:49:22
Speaker
No. Invisible to it. Invisible to it. Done. Okay, this is a good one. Raymond Hernandez says, why you all British? That's an easy one. That's a really easy one. I'm half Polish where I'm on. We're all British. I'm actually infuriated. He didn't notice that, but yeah. I refuse to answer that question. There we go. So, sorry, Raymond. You're not getting a good answer on that one. Pierre says, if money wasn't an issue, would you use the Alpha Fly 1s or the Vapor Fly 2s?
00:49:52
Speaker
For low rungs at marathon pace and speed sessions in your marathon training With the a fly to use as your race station. Yeah, especially asking what do you use you to train? That's a key caveat I think if you're using the a fly to For your race day, then I'd use the alpha if it monies no objects Like he says I'd use the a fly one for the training just to get used to the feel of the shoe If you just if you're just picking between the a fly one and the vapor fly to then yeah use the a fly. I
00:50:15
Speaker
Okay, cool. And then any suggestions on what you would pair with the AlphaFly2 as a training shoe? I think we've answered that. But anything else you'd pair with? This is David Edelstein from YouTube. He's saying, you mentioned that you wouldn't pair the Skyplus with it.
00:50:32
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's interesting when you outflow because like I said, Nike don't make an amazing training partner shoe. The tempo, which I don't, I wouldn't pair. I like that shoe okay, but I wouldn't use it as my main shoe. I train for a marathon very happily using the Speed 2 as my training partner for the outflow. It's a very different feel, but to be honest, there isn't, like I say, a shoe that really feels exactly like the outflow. So without spending the money on another outflow, I would just pick the best training partner shoe, which for me would be the Endorphin Speed, and just use that and try and use the outflow a couple of times to get used to it in your training as well.
00:51:02
Speaker
Cool. All right. And finally, TJ James, Alan says, I don't think you guys have used the Rincon, have you? I've only used the original. Okay. So TJ James, he's asking Mac 4 or Rincon, which should I buy? Well, depends how much you want to spend. If you've got plenty of money, go for the Mac 4. But the Rincon, I do think the Rincon is a great shoe. You can get the Rincon 3, I think.
00:51:25
Speaker
Not the most recent one, the one before it. Considerably cheaper, you could probably pick that up for well under £100. And I think it's a great shoe for that. Both have probably issues around, or I've heard issues around durability for some users. But the Mac 4 is a far superior shoe for everything, really. Not as cushioned, not as comfortable, but it's just a better shoe. So yeah, Mac 4 if you got the money.
00:51:46
Speaker
cool okay so guys that always brings us to the end of the podcast what have we got coming up over july that people need to know about on the channel what videos are we going to be covering so many more carbon shoes so yeah obviously endless the industry it should be the life we get to a couple of big running shoe guys i think tom right
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We need to take off a few for the summer. People are getting excited about marathons, so they're desperate and desperate need of some big guides. Yeah, makes sense. We've got the polar pay, sir. Yeah, I'm testing away on that. I mean, there's a lot of watches in at the moment, but I think, you know, some of those cheaper ones, I think, are almost as compelling as some of the more expensive ones that have come out the last few months. So I'm actually looking forward to spending a bit more time testing that. And there's some other watches that will be out on the way, I think, in the next few months as well.
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If anyone knows, well, they won't know, but Mike gets a lot of watches and I am not envious of him. Maybe when he gets the first couple that I want to try, I think, oh, I'd love to try those watches. But he gets too many. A thousand nearly identical watches. If you could see what I cleared off my table to do this podcast, you'd be disgusted.
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Absolutely ridiculous. I struggle to test two watches in a month, so I don't know how you're doing it. But there's another video that you're doing which is very close to your heart. Very close to my heart. Vests up there with short shorts, vests. We will be giving you... The less clothes the better. Yeah, so we will be putting together our top vests for what we're using for training at the moment, and these kind of
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hotter conditions. Also we'll be racing as well. So that's the video we'll be having up on the channel next month.
00:53:22
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Cool and we'll also be looking at the end off in pro 3 which I believe we should be pick it getting we should some of us should be getting it relatively soon So that's gonna be interesting test. Yes. Well you are yeah so yeah, we will be having plenty of videos on the pro 3 because it's By all accounts, it's gonna be a very interesting update to its predecessor. Yeah
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So just to finish off if you want to if you're listening to the podcast or watching the video and you want to contact us about anything like you've got questions for the next podcast then you can email us at team at the runtesters.com if you're on the youtube channel you don't need to know the channel but if you're on the podcast it's youtube forward slash the run testers and i'll be on instagram at the run testers so apart from that i think that's
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covers everything. Oh, and if you want to find out how Kieran's getting on over in Danube, you can check him out on the miles and see where he's got to on his light jog across Europe. He's walking. He's walking someplace, it's fine. So yeah, so thanks a lot for listening to the first ever Runetesters podcast and I hope you enjoyed it. And we'll be back next month with an update to everything we've been up to and everything going on in the world of running. Thanks for listening and we'll catch you soon. Thank you. Bye bye.