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Frankenstein (2025) Breakdown: del Toro's Masterpiece, Mia Goth & That Wedding Dress | Streamin' Demons
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This week on Streamin' Demons, Jo and Sofia G dig into Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein (2025) — and no, not Benicio. It's del Toro telling the story he's wanted to make since he read the novel at eleven: gorgeous, deeply personal, with costuming and set design doing half the storytelling and a creature that ends up being the most human thing on screen. Both of them cried. More than once. It's a horror movie, but it's really poetry on film.
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Key Moments
- Why this Frankenstein – Sofia on what sets del Toro's version apart from the Universal monsters; Jo on origin-story fatigue, and why this one made him sit up.
- Del Toro's own story – How he mapped his own childhood onto Victor — the stern father, the favored brother — and how both hosts relate as firstborns.
- The color red – Sofia's read: red follows Victor everywhere as a symbol of his dead mother. Jo clocked the blood but missed the throughline.
- Mia Goth playing double – Mother and Elizabeth, same actress, same Freudian parallel — plus a Patrick Stewart / Tennant Hamlet connection.
- Costumes as story – Elizabeth as the one vibrant figure in a gray world, and the corpse-jacket detail that wrecks Sofia.
- The creature as art – Del Toro's insistence that Victor's an artist, not a scientist, and the creature a work of art.
- The blind man arc – The sweetest, saddest stretch of the film, plus a dire-wolf detour that beats a certain Game of Thrones reunion.
- The wedding dress – The centerpiece costume tying Elizabeth to the creature — and Jo pushing Sofia, a real dressmaker, to chase costume design.
- Immortality – The creature's ask for a companion, and whether either host would actually want to live forever (Jo: hard no).
- Final verdict – Beautiful, layered, devastating. Watch it, bless your eyeballs, bring tissues.
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Transcript
Introduction of Guests and Discussion Topic
00:00:06
Jo
Oh, hey, everyone. Today, today, today. I couldn't see this. count all We got a special guest. Linda again. Oh, and also Sophia. hello.
00:00:16
Jo
Hi. Now, Sophia, is we're going to talk about which movie? yeah um frankenstein twenty twenty five break twenty twenty five I with the that one no No. You want it in 2025? I watched like 12 versions Frankenstein. How many Frankensteins were there?
00:00:32
Jo
A thousand. There's a lot, but we're going to be talking about the one by Guillermo del Toro. Guillermo del Toro, not Benicio, which I think I've said more than once.
00:00:44
Jo
This is actually Guillermo. Fine.
Sophia's Favorite Movie and Comparison with Dracula
00:00:46
Jo
Today in Streaming Demons, Joe learns what horror movies are. Yes, here we go. So if you you did pick out Frankenstein, why did you pick out Frankenstein? Um...
00:00:57
Jo
Because it's probably like one of my favorite movies of the year. um More than Dracula? More than Dracula story of Luc Besson? Both of them are like very special to me.
00:01:11
Jo
and like who very were very striking to me, like emotionally and like visually. Oh, you're going for both of those. OK, so you saw Frankenstein, and you went emotional. with it Like, what emotions were there for you?
00:01:29
Jo
Uh... I agree. No, I agree. Because we that's not the first Frankenstein movie you saw, right? Um... No, it is actually. it is? Really? Yeah. Universal saw The Old Black... Okay.
00:01:41
Jo
No, I do want to watch them, but I haven't. No, that's fine. That's absolutely fine. So you've seen this for the first time.
Costuming and Set Design in Frankenstein
00:01:49
Jo
It's the color palette. It's just like the colors and the and the special, not the special effects, but like the costuming kind of pop out, right?
00:01:56
Jo
The costuming and like the set design and how they both like interact together, i think it's very interesting. And like I watch a lot of interviews like with the like costume designer and like the set designer, and they talk about how they had to work together a lot because like the world of costume and set design, like...
00:02:16
Jo
are very like incorporated together in the movie um and Guillermo said that that was like something that was very important to him as well so did you ever want to do that because I know you do make costuming did you want work for set design as well I'm just curious not set design in particular I don't I think it's really cool I don't think it's like necessarily what I'm good at but like I can appreciate how like those two worlds like interact interact you know Especially in Frankenstein.
00:02:48
Jo
So I
Symbolism of the Color Red
00:02:49
Jo
agree. it's It's hard to really differentiate between what is the setting because the costumes make the setting. The settings, they're really intertwined. For Frankenstein, it's not always like that.
00:03:01
Jo
But this movie is is pretty apparent. Yeah. Like what really drew out what really drew your eye then? Well, like mainly like in general,
00:03:12
Jo
I really appreciate like the use of like red and like it's written in my notes like how like red symbolizes a lot of things. I don't want to get into it. Okay, sort as you wish, as you wish.
00:03:26
Jo
um That and also i don't know i think like the attention to detail as well as like um like the historical setting were all like done very well and just like everything in the movie in general was very like beautiful and it was well shot and you're right it's I grew up watching all like all went talking all the Frankensteins like it's the Universal Monsters all the way through until like Young Frankenstein all you know every Frankenstein with like Igor, like the one with Daniel Radcliffe. Like all
Comparison of Older Frankenstein Movies with Del Toro's Adaptation
00:04:03
Jo
these I came up through.
00:04:04
Jo
And then watching this I mean, that one I think I saw. You saw the Igor. How does it compare to Igor then? Well, I don't really remember. I think I saw the one with Daniel Radcliffe. Radcliffe, But I only saw it one time, and I kind of like don't remember everything.
00:04:19
Jo
But like that, I think, like in general, a lot of like the older Frankenstein movies are very like, uh, like comical in a way and are more like, don't know, they're not, they're like not as serious and it's like not the same subject matter. It's like more focused on like,
00:04:40
Jo
um I don't know, like the science fiction. Like the creation of the monster and like trying like, yeah, it goes out and and it's some kind of ah a weird system. If you ever hear like the background noise is because everyone's pointing at saying, oh my God, because they recognize some of us.
00:04:58
Jo
They recognize Belinda. They recognize Belinda. They're like, oh my god. like We have fans. Oh hang oh my god, Belinda. Belinda, oh my god. She's invisible now. So you you see this, and I think you're right. This is one that is a different take on Frankenstein. It really is.
00:05:12
Jo
It's more of a love. Yeah, this movie is also like very focused on like the creation, but it's like done in a very like different way yeah and like with like different intentions.
Del Toro's Personal Connection to Frankenstein
00:05:23
Jo
Yes. And that's why I think it like stands out within the other Frankenstein movies. I think it's interesting because we've seen the Frankenstein movies so many times. me, it's like watching Spider-Man, but I see the origin story of Spider-Man one more fucking time and lose my mind.
00:05:38
Jo
But they do like the origin of Frankenstein. I'm like, oh my god, I didn't think about that. like That's nice. because It's almost like the book. Have you read the book? No. that's it I see. so But I discuss the book in my notes as well.
00:05:52
Jo
It's the diaries of Victor Frankenstein. Frankenstein is the is the the scientist. The monster is the monster. And then we have in the movie... in the movie it really does focus on Frankenstein as actual physical person with agency to a point. Like, I think it was like, he's being treated as, if you would, a person today. Like, he's not like, oh, it's just an object kind of for a while, but then he, like, he swerves all that.
00:06:24
Jo
and So, yeah. Yeah.
Character Development of Victor and the Creature
00:06:27
Jo
Well, I want to start by talking about like why ah Guillermo made this movie and what were his intentions.
00:06:35
Jo
um But he explains how like um how the story, um especially like the childhood of Victor, aligns very much with his.
00:06:47
Jo
because like he felt, because he also had like a ah brother, I believe, and he always felt kind of like like the outcast, and like yeah like the, I don't know how to explain it, but like his brother was always like the like happy and like his dad was like you know like a second child, you know? like I can kind of relate to that in a way. Being the firstborn, you're kind of like the test person.
00:07:14
Jo
I'm not the test. I'm the perfection of the only. i'm ah I'm a firstborn. You're a firstborn? You're a test subject? Yeah, I'm test subject. like, I kind of, like, relate to that in a way. Yeah. i mean And, like, how he, like, favors his brother, kind of. um Oh. And, like, rejects his, like, creativity. So, do you see yourself in this, too?
00:07:39
Jo
Yeah, anyway. Welcome to my interview podcast. Yeah, anyway, kind of. Interesting. Yeah. And in the other, like, interviews, Guillermo explains how, like, he's been kind of, like, working on this movie, like, ever since he was, like, seven years old, when he first saw, like, the Boris Karloff's
Del Toro's Vision and Faithfulness to Mary Shelley's Story
00:07:56
Jo
Frankenstein. Yes, I was going to say that one, Boris Karloff. And then he explains, like, how, um like, later on, when he was, like, 11, he read, like, the book, like, the novel, and, like,
00:08:09
Jo
he remember he like remembers thinking, oh, like this is not like the movie that I watched when I was seven years old. I want to make this movie like from the novel. That's interesting because Mary Shelley basically writes this as like over the weekend, if I remember correctly, in the writer's retreat.
00:08:23
Jo
Who can scare us the most? And then she writes this one. Prometheus, modern man, Frankenstein, right? Yeah, yeah. um So anyway, I thought that was very interesting, and I um i appreciate like how he's able to like adapt the like story to kind of like represent like his own childhood and his own story. And he also explains how like all the other movies so and like shows that he's made kind of all like come together like within this movie.
00:08:53
Jo
Really? It's like Pan's Labyrinth. I think that's where most people remember him from.
00:09:00
Jo
Yes. And like, he did like Hellboy and Shape of Water. and Wait, did you see Shape of Water? Ain't no one seen Shape of Water.
00:09:12
Jo
I wanted to watch it. You want to watch but you know, I guess I'm listening to myself. Ain't no one seen Shape of Water. That's all I know. But I'm going to watch it. Wait, are you really? Are you really to watch it? Yeah, yeah, I'm going to watch it. I just need to like convince my boyfriend to watch it with me. Watch it with me.
00:09:26
Jo
Yeah, that's me yeah He makes up with a fish. Spoiler alert. That's basically shape of water. I know what the... I know what the story How are you going to convince like, you want to see a fish make out with someone? Hey, don't want watch the shape of water with me.
00:09:38
Jo
Because he's going to do what I asked. He's going watch this like, am i Yeah. I guess you will. um Now, basically, I want to talk about...
Symbolism in Costumes and Elizabeth's Attire
00:09:52
Jo
it's like the symbolism throughout the movie because I think that's very present and like very important. First I want to talk about like the symbolism like through the characters and then like the symbolism through the costumes.
00:10:08
Jo
Oh, wait. So you're breaking down between character and costume, then? Yeah. Interesting. But like both are kind of like also like related, but I'll explain it. um like first Firstly, as I mentioned, is the symbolism like with Victor's mother and like the color red.
00:10:25
Jo
um Because she's a whore? What? Scarlet letter. so okay Back in my day, the color red was actually color red and yellow.
00:10:37
Jo
Yellow was, you know, prostitution, but red was like the scarlet letter. That's why I was like red. Oh, okay. Well, I didn't know that. You're not calling Richard's mom anything bad then, see.
00:10:50
Jo
Um... Pink, not red. I just like the color red, firstly, is my favorite color. But, um... Like, one of the like the first scenes is like his mom with like this and crazy like red shawl thing.
00:11:08
Jo
It's amazing. And then, like, when she dies. Spoilers. She dies, like early on, but yeah, still. You can't really like see in this picture, but like he has like her blood on her like from when she like is miscarrying it, I think.
00:11:26
Jo
And um like both of them are like sitting at a table, and she like starts like miscarrying, and there's like her blood, she like wipes it on him. And then like he calls his father over to like come help, and then his father kind of pushes him away. Because it's like, oh, get away from your mother.
00:11:46
Jo
she's like This is like a serious situation. And he's like calling out for her, kind of. And then she dies. Right, because her his father is like this very well-known doctor. Yeah. Yeah, and he makes Victor kind of like, oh, he's supposed to be a very serious. And um that's like another thing i think Guillermo translated through like his childhood was like that he felt like his father was always like very stern and was very like not open to his creativity, whether it's like his mom was. Right, which is weird because you see, can you imagine like the horror world without him? Yeah. It looks so fucking different.
00:12:26
Jo
It really would. um Anyway, and so like throughout the movie, like you can see how like the color red is like something that is constantly like staying with Victor. It's like constantly, he always has like an element of red Like here, like with his gloves and then with his scarf.
00:12:44
Jo
So he always like has like a symbol of like his mom throughout the movie. but Okay. I would not have gotten that. Honestly, I didn't get that. But I can see what I'm here for. I know, right? I can see when I just point out like, fuck, that's pretty cool. Because I'm like, oh, he just he's got blood on him a lot.
00:13:00
Jo
Like I'm very surface level, I guess. And you're like, no, it symbolizes this and this and this and it has his mouth throughout movie. I'm like, fuck, that makes sense now. Damn, that was good. But it is like a bit of both, maybe in a way.
00:13:13
Jo
But it's, I like the symbol, of i like your angle on the symbolism because that means he never kind of gets away from, like, not the shadow of his mouth, but he never gets away from the memory.
00:13:26
Jo
Yeah. Of the love of, and sometimes it will, you know, sail in one direction or another, but So that's red. what What else we have? what we um So then there's like the symbolism between um like his mom and Elizabeth, which are purposefully played by like the same actress, Mia Goss.
00:13:47
Jo
Oh, the Norman text. um But yeah, this is like her as like the mom and that's her like as Elizabeth. And like the point why they use the same actress is obviously because they want to like kind of Compare them in a way. Oh, compare them.
00:14:04
Jo
I don't think they save money, but yeah. Maybe that too. but like basically it's to just kind of draw like a parallel between the two characters and it like shows like why Victor is so infatuated with her because it like reminds him of his mother. Well that happens in David Tennant and Patrick Stewart's Hamlet.
00:14:26
Jo
Patrick Stewart plays Denon's father who's dead and the uncle who kills the father. They're the same character. mean they're the same actor playing same character. Or different characters, excuse me, like this. And that goes away that kind of like it draws a parallel between them, right? Mm-hmm.
00:14:40
Jo
It's absolutely that way. And I did, I wasn't so oblivious. I was watching this movie. I didn't like, oh, is this the same person? No, but it's, it does kind of make a striking feature. It's almost like you fall in love with a person who's like your parent type thing.
00:14:55
Jo
Yeah. It's kind of like, oh, want to go that way. It's very like, Freudian? A bit. It is a bit, right? I thought about that, yeah. Like, oh, shit, this is exactly like his mom. Like, no, it is not.
00:15:08
Jo
Um, anyway, so there's that, um, and I'll explain like more through the costume, like how yeah the parallels are drawn between them, but like anyways, um, for more like ah the characters is how like Victor's complicated relationship with the creature kind of mirrors his relationship with his father.
00:15:30
Jo
Oh, I can see that because it's It's almost like the way his father treated him. Yeah. Very stern, very strict, very like, what the fuck are you doing? This, this, this, and this.
00:15:42
Jo
And almost like, ah you know, his father treated him like property for a long half time. Yeah. Okay, can see that now. Okay, wow. so you're saying it's like a family that... Do you think that's also how...
00:15:54
Jo
Del Toro. Do you think that's how the director's father interacted with him as well? Like, is this basically entire story of his life through horror lens? Yeah.
00:16:05
Jo
That's what I'm saying. Like, everything in the movie, like, really has a meaning and has, like, kind of a backstory. And it's like he's able to relate it to himself in a way. That's interesting. remember the rewatches. When did you last Last night. What was the last night? I was trying to, and then I was not.
00:16:26
Jo
But going rewatch it again, for realsies. It's really good, yeah. um Yeah, I almost cried again. Really? The first time I cried. Yesterday I almost cried, but I i didn't think.
00:16:40
Jo
Without too many spoilers, what part did you... Is it the obvious part? already spoiled stuff. And I'm going to spoil more stuff after. tell you what, if if you haven't seen this movie yet, pause this right now. Go watch the movie. Come back. It's been like a year right now, at least a couple months, right?
00:16:55
Jo
mean, it's in streaming right now. It out like around Christmas, I think. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like six months already. go watch it. Come back. We're going spoil the shit out of it right now. So what part are crying?
00:17:09
Jo
When Elizabeth dies. Yeah, me too. And he's like carrying her. to like that cave.
Victor's Apology Scene and Creature's Forgiveness
00:17:15
Jo
yeah But anyway, I'll get back to that scene because there's other stuff I want to discuss. It is an emotional scene. It really is.
00:17:22
Jo
um But yeah, anyways, I talked about how like, of now we're moving on to the costume. Costuming. Very important. But I already discussed how like, he always is wearing red to like represent his mother but anyways um elizabeth elizabeth's costumes in the movie are like what really like struck me a lot because well they were all like so fabulous and extravagant they're fantastic no i mean did they win the oscar i can't remember uh yeah they should have they did her costume design yeah yeah they did like hands down anyways so basically i appreciate how um elizabeth's costumes um they highlight how different she is from everyone else like when you see her like in the room um i think she's vibrant yeah that's like the whole
00:18:14
Jo
point When she's like yeah wearing this you can see how like she's different from everyone in the room that nobody's ever in such vibrant colors as she is. They're all like grays and dark blues yeah like you know blacks it's all like dingy even the whites are dingy. Yeah, you know And so basically that's done to like highlight how different she is from everyone.
00:18:37
Jo
And it's also like through her costume, it like um shows like her love for insects, which she like talks about a lot with like Victor. She talks about how...
00:18:49
Jo
um Like her love for science is more like rooted in like the smaller things. And she's not dumb and that gives her more depth of character. Usually in this movie, the female Lee is just like, I'm a female Lee. She has backbone. No.
00:19:06
Jo
And, um,
00:19:09
Jo
Especially like in her like final look like the wedding dress. um It like shows well like all her costumes in general kind of show like her longing to find something within humanity that she can't find.
00:19:27
Jo
Which is something that she eventually finds in the chair creature. That is, I think, when you're saying like he read the book, he saw the movie The Borders Crawl Up, then he read the book. It's like, oh, I want to tell that because that is not that that's not the movie we've seen. I want to tell that version of like the actual one from the book. I think that's more accurate because I know when she was writing the book, and Victorian was really weird. that this like the The era was basically if a person is not aesthetics, sexually pleasing, they're evil.
00:20:00
Jo
We get to like the Wicked Witch, like this, like, oh they're evil, not the old crone type thing. And if they look good, they are good. Like they're morally good if if they're pretty, right? And this story kind of like reflected upon like, well, the one who is the most morally good is the monster, the creature. Yeah, exactly.
00:20:18
Jo
And then for her, but but in this movie, her, she's also morally good and she's aesthetic as well.
Design Details of the Creature's Costume
00:20:25
Jo
Mm-hmm. So it has that reflection of what Mary's always trying to get to yeah i in the book.
00:20:32
Jo
I like that. I know so some things too. um And another thing I really appreciate is how obviously like her costumes are, like for me, like the highlight. But the creature's costumes also don't go unnoticed or without any kind of um like thought, like everything is very carefully thought out.
00:20:56
Jo
And for me, like what stood out to me was when he like finds, he like stumbles upon like this graveyard from like the war. It's like a bunch of like skulls and like corpses.
00:21:11
Jo
And on one of bodies, there's like a jacket which he uses to comfort himself. That's where I get this jacket from. And like the jacket is like very like worn down because it's like obviously like been there for a while the rotting corpse. And so what they did was like they kind of wait, let me turn it over to my face.
00:21:35
Jo
They kind of, like, did, cool like, an embossing of, like, the spine of, like, the corpse that it was on. So for me, like, that kind of attention to detail... Those are the details, right?...is, like, very important, and it, like, makes me very emotional, because, like...
00:21:55
Jo
I don't know, any kind of like attention to detail like that, that like relates to like the story. And everything like, I don't know, everything this movie has ah has a meaning and has a story. And I think like that's what's really striking for me. OK. But because you're in a fashion, you can see these better then.
00:22:12
Jo
Yes, but I also like watched all the interviews. I'm not just like saying like this is like my opinion. like actually like what the no mean This is said. this is fine. We're talking about it right now. but So you're seeing this attention to detail and then while you're watching it movie, it still holds at your heartstrings.
00:22:28
Jo
Yeah. I think that's right. It's one of those things where I'm not sure. Yes, I would notice attention to detail. I would absolutely notice the detail. think it was lovely. and I think it's because it helps me suspend my disbelief more.
00:22:42
Jo
It draws me better into the movie because it's more realistic now. Every small thing is accounted for. if it If it is like a bakery or it like having bad CGI, like, oh, this is bad CGI, pulls the other movie. This is shit.
00:22:55
Jo
This is all practical. These are the little touches that really can build. Costuming is so important to the film. I mean, Oscar winning shit like that. I agree. it's like If you watch the other movies, you watch the older movies, you're going to be kind of surprised Because you're like, oh, they just kind of put them in, like, one thing, and then just like, mom the makeup jobs nice. do want to watch it, but, like, I obviously, like, know that I don't think I will like it more than that one. No.
00:23:27
Jo
I think you're like the makeup job. i mean You might like the makeup jobs just because they're more original. Because everything else like, derivative of. above But, like, that that was, like, a stepping stone, you know, like, Yeah. We needed those movies to get this one. That's what I'm saying. Like the derivative of you'll get to this one. with fit So I, you know, that's as good for you. Good for you.
00:23:46
Jo
And another thing about the creature that I really appreciated was how Guillermo made sure to like make the creature not a science experiment, but also like a work of art and show how Victor is actually not just a scientist, but like, yeah I mean, he, he flat out says like Victor isn't a scientist, like he's an artist. An artist. Because like what is, what he's doing is like not really scientific, although like it is. Oh, yeah. But like it's not. It's the pseudoscience of it. Yeah. that's the whole, yeah, otherwise it's the other Frankensteins were more butchers.
00:24:23
Jo
who Like, let's put some meat together to put the arm this way stuff like that. This is probably the one time so the monster's not played by Doug Jones, which is weird for me. Like, oh usually Doug Jones plays all these fucking things. Yeah. Love you, Doug.
00:24:39
Jo
But yeah. So, like, I could, like, yap about this for so long. it. It's good to see passion. I also really like this. Oh, wow.
00:24:50
Jo
from the creature just because I like the fur, but this is kind of like when he's like walking and chasing Victor like through like the ice. Yeah, and this is worst was which is realistic to the book. Most books don't start off with that, but that is realistic to the book. The book is actually a diary they find.
00:25:08
Jo
They find the diary as they he's trying to, because Victor's trying to get the fuck out. and's so And the ice itself is really well done. Like the setting is really well done. The ship, is they it throws a different dimension to it. It throws ah a visceral thickness as the tension and detail like that as well. Yeah, exactly.
00:25:25
Jo
And the monster's... And like one more thing before I move on to like the final thing I want to talk about, which is the wedding dress. I just want to like talk about how emotional the scene like towards the end is like when like Victor is dying. Yeah.
00:25:47
Jo
he kind of like apologizes to the creature and the creature forgives him. Yeah. And you know, like his his whole life he spent like trying to conquer death in a way. And like in that moment, he kind of accepts death. Yeah, he acquiesces it.
00:26:04
Jo
And like so apologizes for like creating the creature. And like the creature forgives him. Very human for the creature to forgive him. Yeah. The creature is the most human part of the movie.
00:26:18
Jo
because it's honest like and it's so what people should aspire to like the whole scene like uh or like the whole part of the story where like he's like with that old man who's like played by woldefray yes oh my god i'll say this is very good that was so sad especially like when the wolves come and like kill him and then the dire wolves It's a crossover. It's a crossover of Game of Thrones. Yeah. Better than Brandon Broketh. That's all we're Yeah, just thought that was so sweet.
00:26:51
Jo
And I think like it's some it was another like symbolic thing, how like the that old man was like blind, so he like yeah couldn't see how the creature's like a monster. Judging the person by the character instead of the cover. And like I thought like that whole arc was really sweet.
00:27:10
Jo
Yeah. And now, wait, actually, before I move to the wedding dress, I just want to show
00:27:21
Jo
this dress was like my second favorite. The color, look it again. These are just my favorite colors, so yeah. But it's also like, you see Elizabeth in a lot of red as well, especially here, kind of.
00:27:36
Jo
If you look over here, represents it looks like this over here. Like when his mom is in the coffin or whatever. yeah got um So yeah, another great way to symbolize the mother to Elizabeth. has to be a mindfuck.
00:27:58
Jo
I mean, honestly, if you can do the the movie through the aesthetics, you can do the movie through the writing. And the acting is phenomenal, by the way. like the The directing is obviously good. But it's just like the layers of psychological a you know psychological layers here that go into everything, every choice that's made.
00:28:17
Jo
That's how good the movie is. As a horror movie. For me, it's a horror movie, but it's also like so much beyond it. Yeah. It's very like poetic.
00:28:28
Jo
Yeah. It's it's poetry on film. I agree. And like i think it also falls under like the category of like gothic romance because it's like the relationship between Elizabeth and the creature is very like unconventional. Yeah. and please Castle.
00:28:50
Jo
Like the final scene, or like when Elizabeth is like dying and she's expressing how...
00:29:00
Jo
I feel like I need to find the quote, but she's like talking about how like love is so like grief and then... That's why it's important. Yeah.
00:29:12
Jo
Anyway, that was really sad. And that's when I was crying. She's crying now, by the way. The wedding dress. She's crying now. It's weird. like Oh, let me see.
00:29:24
Jo
Oh my God. okay We can cut if you want. okay She's going to pause to it. Anyway, so the wedding dress in this movie is like really what like struck me the most.
00:29:40
Jo
Right. Because it's kind of like the centerpiece of all the costumes. The wedding dress, i mean, yeah.
Unconventional Relationship in Gothic Romance
00:29:49
Jo
The symbology of it too. And like...
00:29:53
Jo
Basically, Elizabeth is getting married to this loser guy that she doesn't even like. Hold on. Anyone notice? She's getting married to this loser guy. You look right at me and you said loser guy. I know. You know, some loser guy no one likes? I'm like, what the I'm right there. I'm physically right here.
00:30:11
Jo
Um, go on yeah, but anyways, so she's, uh, she's wearing this dress, which, like, you know, despite her getting married to this guy, that's, like, not really, like, where her heart is. Her heart lies, I guess. And so, like, her wedding dress, like, really shows, like, her closeness and, like, her likeness to the creature in several ways. But, like, the two main ways are, like, the arm wraps that she has.
00:30:44
Jo
Okay. Now, disclosure, I'm going ask you a question. Can I out you? and No, I'm not going to, like, horribly out you. Can out you what you do? Like, for have you tried to make a dress? She makes dresses. Have you tried to make a design like that?
00:30:56
Jo
You thought about that? cause I think you can. I know you can draw it, but... My order project was kind of... Yeah, kind of similar. That's what it reminds me of. Yeah. Did you think about, like... Welcome to the interview part of the show.
00:31:10
Jo
Have you thought about doing costuming for movies like this? Yeah, I have. Because I think you'd be brilliant at it. Absolutely. It's kind of like a dream to do that. Then do it! What do you mean? It's kind Hello, if you have a dream for it and have talent for it, what's holding you back? The dream plus talent opportunity maybe? i don't know, that's a third part of it?
00:31:31
Jo
I feel like my...
00:31:37
Jo
Because you're going show, I know already when you're talking about it, know exactly what dress you're talking about. And it is amazing. wouldn't say it's Gaga, but Gaga canceled.
00:31:48
Jo
The day of the event. It's not the best picture of it. like It's the stress. And that and that's a part that's the beauty of it, right? It's like when you think about a classic wedding and yes, people spend bazillion dollars on wedding dresses. Yes, they spend a bazillion years checking out the perfect one.
00:32:08
Jo
It's not the classic wedding dress. I hate a classic wedding dress. Sorry. but that's but that mos ah that's that's good. i mean That's exactly it, right? It reflects her inner turmoil. yeah This is her wedding dress. Most people, we're doing pristine, pristine stuff.
00:32:22
Jo
Like, no, this is who I am. Like, it's not like the poofy and the this and these. See, um you tell them fashion, I use all the terminology, the poofies and the do-do-do-do-dees. And you in this is what dress you made.
00:32:35
Jo
but it' was like, I still want to wear that one, the way. I can fit that one. Can I? No, probably not. Can I really fit that one? Yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah. No, I You're like, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you can fit in. That's your, yeah. Yeah, it's your exact measurements. Exact measurements for like one of my fingers, maybe. do don't know. um But it's okay. A, amazing talent, straight out. And B, if you need someone to create your movie stuff right here, I'm subscribed. Oh, my God.
00:33:06
Jo
But yeah, it reflects her inner. And also the ribcage corset kind of reflects the flex ah creature again. Yeah, it is what the it's like what the creature would be wrapped up in before it gets... But like if you remember like when he's like being like brought to life, he has like this ribcage thing under him. So like it's like symbolizing that in a way.
00:33:31
Jo
And it's like, you know, like in her final moments, she like sacrifices herself for the creature. And then he like carries her out as she's like bleeding all over with the beautiful
Symbolism of the Wedding Dress
00:33:44
Jo
dress. And again, red. no Anyway.
00:33:52
Jo
um Yeah, this is like Loki, the best new movie. And it symbolizes so much death of innocence, death of love, or even love. Honestly, because love is fleeting, that's why it's, we've said before, love is fleeting. That's why is so romantic. That's why it's so powerful. So why it's so sought after, so nice.
00:34:13
Jo
But it dies. Yeah. And that goes back, just not to his mom, who she was a symbol for the entire movie. But it also symbolizes, like, the visceral nation. I mean, it's is's visceral blood. You can't get more visceral than fucking blood. Mm-hmm.
00:34:27
Jo
Like, it is And then he's just carrying her off, knowing that this is it. Like, that's sad as fuck. And, like, everyone's, like, gasping. And... Oh, my God. This is so obscene.
00:34:41
Jo
But... It's really beautiful. It really is. And that's back to the... The old monster with the heart of a gold, which which the...
00:34:55
Jo
one person on this planet could see correctly who and he loses that person and she loses him but she loses that in his life so you still you feel so fucking bad for the monster they finally have what they finally have love so fleeting but they finally find it at the end of their lives and the monster has the the creature has to live a lot longer yeah And, like, the creature asks Victor, um like, around the same time in the movie, like, for a companion, like, someone like him. He's like, please, like, create someone like me so that I'm not alone alone this world. in this fucking world.
00:35:34
Jo
Because he, like, clearly, like, is not able to die. And he talks about how every man in the world is, like, afforded, like, one mercy and one cure to pain, which is death.
00:35:48
Jo
which he can never have. my God. Says who? So, yeah, he's, like, begging Victor to, like, make him a friend or make him a companion, and he's, like, Victor's, like, no, because, like, what will happen then? You guys will, like, procreate, and then there's going to be, like, a whole generation of, like, monsters. A whole generation of monsters like you.
00:36:12
Jo
And, yeah. Look, that's... It's really fucked. If you could live for other forever, but everyone else would live their natural life and die, would you?
00:36:27
Jo
Fuck no. I don't even want to live like... don't want to live now. Have you seen the news lately? No, literally. Noah's Ark happening like 30 days of fucking rain.
00:36:39
Jo
No, I would hate that. Really? I'm too afraid to die. I don't know though. like If I was a vampire, maybe you would be different. There you go So all I have to do is like kill everyone you meet to stay alive.
00:36:51
Jo
Ooh. I can do that. Yeah, I feel like if I was a vampire, I'd be kind of chill with it. but like right now, no. But if you're a vampire, you would have other people with you that you could make, which is what the creature is missing.
00:37:12
Jo
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, right? So it's even sadder. like that's one I think, was this ever discussed between this and Dracula or no? Is this always Frankenstein for you? Is this always the movie you want to discuss? name you like Yeah, but we can discuss this movie. For us, ah I think we're the only two people on that planet who actually saw Dracula's Love Story.
00:37:32
Jo
I know, I feel like nobody's seen it. I know. yeah They about banned it in our fucking theaters. It was really hard to actually see in the theater because it was like, the quick little like oh, this is whatever, blah, you know.
00:37:43
Jo
So we had to see what that means. And it is a love story, but he has the ability to at least make people in his image. Frankenstein, the monster, not the not victor, cannot.
00:37:58
Jo
And so it's even, like, for me, it's even sadder because they still have the immortality problem to figure out. And there're there's a sacrifice in both for love. There's a sacrifice for love in both.
00:38:09
Jo
and which is also a another sad thing. you're Like, oh man, kind of like cheer for that be che for like the anti-heroes in these movies. You identify more of that. Like for me, I identify more Frankenstein or the monster. Sorry, I say the monster because I grew up with the creature than I did Victor.
00:38:24
Jo
Yeah. Right? Victor's kind like bit an a-hole part of this. No, like, yeah. But that's also kind of... like part of the story and part of like his transformation. It's like that's why that scene at the end like where he like realizes like what he's done.
00:38:47
Jo
That's just like how it kind of comes like a circle. Right. He is okay with death. It's like the Harry Potter. It's the the three that though whatever they're like, oh, you know, he greets death as old friend type thing he eventually gets there that takes a long ass time for him yeah but he does change which is nice i mean every and that's like this story has so many layers to it and it's all character building it's character arcs and this whole story moves like one big wheel on the wheel now what did you think when once the end credit rolls did you like oh my god to watch this again yeah yeah too it was it's a beautiful movie right
00:39:31
Jo
It's gorgeous. It's a fucking gorgeous movie. Gorgeous movie. Oh, yeah. I was like immediately obsessed. And i the last like scene where he's like, after he like pushes that boat into like the water for like those sailors, and then he like kind of like just walks off into the horizon, and like he feels like the sun his skin.
00:39:54
Jo
and it's like It kind of like reminds me of like the scene when like the creature comes in like Victor's room, like when he's first like like brought to life.
00:40:06
Jo
And then like Victor opens the window and like he gets like scared of the Sun, right? and he' like ah And then Victor like no like the Sun like it's good. Sun the son is life and whatever and so like it's kind of like another like full circle moment like in that last scene where he's like like staring into the Sun taking in he's been say ta and man he's like equal strain in all parts.
00:40:30
Jo
Oh good. Now there anything else you want to say about the story? No. i have some questions I have like more that I could say, but like as that's it for now.
00:40:45
Jo
that Did you watch this in the theater? No, I watched it on Netflix. Yeah, I didn't get a chance to write it. Although I think it would have been really cool in the That's what going say. Would you wanted to seen this? I would love seen this theater. I see this This is one of the things where going to the movies at this point would add to the scenery. It would add to the grandos, it add to the scale of it all.
00:41:12
Jo
Watching on our TV set was fine. i kind of like, I have no idea how big your TV set is. like you but Well, my boyfriend's TV has had, like, really huge. His basement. His basement's entire TV.
00:41:23
Jo
It's bigger than Belinda. Like, basically. The window. yeah basically the window. like, it wasn't that bad. going to go to your boyfriend's house for a second. Yeah, yeah, I just want to, like, use your TV.
00:41:34
Jo
Awkward, I know. but ah No, but yeah, he has, like, a really nice TV set. Like, I can't complain too much. But, like, when I saw, like, Nosferatu in theaters, that was really...
00:41:45
Jo
It like had me more in the moment. It was really fucking loud. like I could barely even like yeah hear myself. My ears were ringing after. But like still, like I always think like seeing stuff in theaters like those kinds of smoothies. Yeah, those types. that The costuming is just fantastic. And you just want to see the colors. The colors are going pop more.
00:42:08
Jo
The sound's to be there. and just It's just going to be more inviting. And okay, that's usually my question. And I agree. When I saw it, was almost like mad. I saw it on TV. Like, damn it, want to the theater. But I saw that it was on Netflix. I was like, I got to watch this shit right now. Yeah.
00:42:24
Jo
absolutely If you've ever seen any of his movies, like they're all kind of like big theater movies. Because he he does the imagery. I mean, just imagination that comes from him is just astounding.
00:42:36
Jo
Now, I'm going to ask you.
00:42:41
Jo
Do you want to plug anything? Do you have a clothing line you want to show up? you have a coming soon? i don't really have anything to plug other than my Instagram. Oh, plug the Instagram away.
00:42:54
Jo
Absolutely.
00:42:58
Jo
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00:43:14
Jo
Nope. Because we're in socialist Canada. Okay, that's the brand American joke for you. So Frankenstein, check it out. Yeah? Absolutely. For behalf of my son. you want to have a good time, a good emotional time. Emotional time. And if you want to bless your eyeballs.
00:43:31
Jo
The eyeballs make... Okay. Full disclosure, also cried at Dracula. Yeah. Yeah. So like honestly, like horror was like spot, just fucking two for two for that one. Like Frankenstein and Dracula.
00:43:44
Jo
Both like, you know, you start tearing up, you know, like, oh my God, this is amazing because it's emotional. Go check them out. behalf of myself and Sophia, we bid you good day. y'alls. Goodbye Belinda.