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Rolland Tizuela
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In this week's episode, Alasdair interviews Rolland Tizuala, founder of Campthropology and the HOMIES initiative . A public lands advocate, Rolland is passionate about making camping accessible to all, and preserving our wild spaces for future generations.
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Introduction to Outdoorsy Educator Podcast
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Welcome to the Outdoorsy Educator podcast, the show where curiosity meets the open road. I'm your host Alistair and I invite you to join me as we explore the world through travel, adventure, nature and the power of learning. Each episode we dive into inspiring stories from adventurers, educators and global citizens.
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Whether it's in a classroom, on a local trail, or adventuring halfway across the world, there are stories to be told and lessons to share. So pack your curiosity, lace up your boots, and let's discover how the world can teach us all one step, one story, one adventure at a time.
Roland's Journey and Initiatives
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Today's guest is somebody that simply lives and breathes the outdoors. Roland is an outdoor enthusiast based in Southern California who's all about keeping our public lands safe, clean, and accessible for everyone.
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Whether you are first-time camper or a seasoned dirtbag with stories to tell, Roland's got the gear tips, campsite recommendations, and trail-tested wisdom to keep your adventures running smoothly.
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With a degree in sociocultural anthropology from UC San Diego and a McNair Scholar title under his belt, Roland took his academic curiosity out to the trail, where he started Camthropology, an ongoing deep dive into camping culture as a space for identity, healing, and human connection.
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And as if that wasn't cool enough, he's one of the minds behind the Homies Initiative. That's Healing Outdoor Mentorship Inspiring Environmental Stewardship. A program focused on getting more folks outside and building meaningful bonds with nature and each other.
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All right, today's guest, Roland Tiswell. How are you today, man? I'm doing great, Alistair. Thank you so much. Yeah, I'm stoked to be here. I've been looking forward to it ever since you... I've heard the whispers of your different podcast career stuff coming up. I'm like, oh yeah, it's awesome.
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Yeah, it's been blast. Like, I'm really enjoying doing it. And the podcast is great, but I'm getting to meet some really cool
Podcast Goals and Community Feedback
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people. Yeah, definitely. And I think you have one episode released, right?
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Correct. Yeah, I've released one this past Monday, and then the goal is every Monday. I'm thinking 10, 12 episodes, and then I'm just going to... I might just keep going, but I might reevaluate at that point. End of season one.
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We'll see if anyone's listening, if people have feedback. but All I know is I'm enjoying it. You know, I'm having a blast. And it sounds like you. I listened to the first episode when I was at work this week. And keep it going. Keep it going as long as you can. That's super fun.
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Yeah, and i've I've had, I won't name names or anything, I've had a couple of other sort of outdoorsy themed podcasts reach out and just say, hey, we like what you're doing. We've listened to the first episode. Keep it going. Awesome. Just giving a word of encouragement.
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so Oh, yeah. That's amazing. Yeah, part of the cool community, you know? Definitely. Well, Roland, tell a bit about
Camping Experiences and Research
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yourself. You know, where you from? Where are you living? What's your connection to the outdoors world?
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You know, give us your spiel. Most definitely. um So I'm from Southern California. i was actually born in ah Mission Viejo. um But I've lived in San Diego, North County, San Diego, basically since I was like two or three years old.
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um a lot of people ask me how I camp so often. Being in Southern California, specifically San Diego, The weather's pretty good here year-round. Like, it never gets too hot, never gets too cold. So I'm able to get out quite often. um I grew up growing camping, not a lot, but my parents did take me quite a bit.
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ah Kind of beach camping. We have, like, some beach stuff here that you can, like, sleep in a van, like, before van life was a thing. So my mom would take down to the beach and we would sleep in the van and like have like a bonfire, like ah a pit there.
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um We went to San Felipe a few times, the camp down there. we have like our local mountains, like Julian here and like Palomar mountain. That was like really cool. But I've always, I always consider like the outdoor journey as kids,
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Like every kid plays outside. So like everybody's outdoorsy in a sense, as I always say, it's skateboarding. i played a lot of like roller hockey and before we had hockey sticks, we would just use baseball bats and hit tennis balls around. it And our parents were like, you guys play?
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Want a hockey stick? So like, what? Sure. Yeah. You know? um Yeah. That'd be awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So that's like out. That's like my first journeys outdoors, you know? And I've seen a lot of like, you know, parallels between why I liked outdoors now and why I liked outdoors before specifically, instead of ah a skateboard that takes me to the skate park or the mall. Now I have a car that takes me to camping and it's kind of the same essence of the vehicle i really love my skateboard i really love my car i never thought i'd be like a uh oh my car is like like ah people like extension of your personality i'm not a car instagram account but people are always like oh your subaru is really cool and i'm like it just i just it looks like that because it's stuff that i use when i'm camping you know right yeah right so it's extremely fun um
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I went to school at UCSD a little later in life to get my ah my bachelor's. And when I went back, I was doing anthropology. And I was in the McNair Scholars Program. And I got to choose like a ah topic to do what would be like a PhD thesis, but before you're in a PhD program, because I um wanted to go to grad school and stuff. So we kind of like a a mini thesis we got to do.
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and I always say, to be honest, they're like, hey, yeah, we'll give you a research stipend. And at the time I was like, oh, what can I use it for? they're Like, you know, anything that assists your research, you know, you just got to submit like a this is going to help me, you know, get this research done.
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So at the time I was like, wow, what if I did it on like I really liked camping, but I was like, what about hiking? At the time I was hiking quite a bit. And I did research on basically like how transformative aspects of long distance hiking, specifically on the Pacific Crest Trail, because the Pacific Crest Trail is like right in our backyard.
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So I went out there. i did the first hundred miles. I took a break because like my feet were like really my my blisters were incredibly bad. Yeah.
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One thing about long distance hiking, as I learned, and then everybody says later, like your body can be completely conditioned, but your feet, the blisters with the up and down, you can train as much as you want, but the technicalness of the trail really just chewed my feet up. And and I loved it. I met so many hikers. some of them a couple of them finished. you know Most of them didn't, but it's all about the journey out there. you know Hike your own hike. Absolutely. yeah I was able to put together a little research project. I took it to conference at Berkeley. I did a poster and a slides PowerPoint presentation. um and Then that was in 2018 when I finished that. and Then when 2020 happened, I bought my Outback.
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and just started camping. That was like since then, since 2020, since buying the Outback, I've been camping, i would say at least three weekends a month um all around Southern California and started a little TikTok account, not knowing what would happen.
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just started filming goofy stuff like my My my content is kind of everywhere. um so it's not specific. The content is superb. It's so good. I appreciate that. i appreciate that.
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um But yeah, so I realized that lot of people were asking questions about kind of like beginner camper stuff. And i was like, wow, there really is like what you would call, I guess, like a gap in knowledge with research. Like there really is a lot of information that's not accessible to people that either are very new to camping or that haven't camped before.
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And I always... One of the Jamaica Dawes out of Slim Pick and Outfitters, he tells this story with like... Everybody always shows you the outdoors. It's very rarely do people go into the outdoors like solo and learn everything solo, learn where to go, what to buy.
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it kind of takes a community, especially to feel comfortable outdoors. So that's what I started doing a lot of content on. It's like how to set up a tent. you know my One of my big things is how to how to go poop outside. And I try to make it fun. I came up with like the epic poo view to kind of alleviate some of the you know,
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the fear around using the bathroom when you're camping. So, right. Yeah. yeah And that's what I've been rolling with. I've been loving it. That's awesome. We've got to give a shout out to Slim Pickens.
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oh That's actually funny. Kate and I were just sitting couple of days ago. All right, what are we going to do this summer? And that's it's a about two-hour drive from me. Oh, no way. of their so It's not that far. Like it's far, but not that far.
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Oh, yeah. And I said, that's a day trip we're doing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, we're going out to their store and we're going to hang out and then we'll we'll get some lunch. We'll explore the little town they're in. Oh, yeah. That's a day trip.
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Yeah, they do do a couple like really fun events because I know Jamaica is really into fly fishing out there. So I know they do have like some fly classes that they partner with some other organizations with um if you're interested in doing that. But yeah, just follow their Instagram. They're pretty good at posting around the times when they have events. But yeah, even just to cruise their store looks super cool.
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Yeah, Heather and Jamaica look awesome. Yeah, they just, you know I've looked at their Instagram. They just, they're just our kind of people.
DIY Camping Setups
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Totally, totally. Just kind of down to earth cool people. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to meeting them.
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Awesome. Yeah, I'd like to talk to you a little bit about the Outback because, like, I've gotten into, yeah you know, I've always been into camping, camping and hiking, both things. But then um it's only been,
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It was really maybe seven or months ago, really when the weather cooled off after last summer. um I was like, you know, I'm just going to throw a mattress in the back of my car. We slept in the back of our car once before, but we literally just had three-inch topper kind of thing.
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It just, you know, it it was fine for one night. I was like, yeah I'm going to, you know, do this. And just with that, we didn't get a topper. It was like, you know, the kind of tri-fold.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. Three-fold mattress, whatever that's called. 40-infold. According to... There we go. yeah I got but just one of those through in the back of the car and it like just bring my camping stuff. And it was the best night's sleep I'd had camping possibly ever.
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Oh, yeah. There's something about it, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so was like, this is the way forward. And then... You know, fast forward to yeah this spring. i mean, I'm not going to spend it because it's pretty. It's usually just me, but Kate's now enjoying it She's going to and enjoys car camping.
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So it's like I'm not going to spend a lot of money on it. But I built out the bed with the drawers underneath and all of that now. Oh, yeah. you know I didn't always eat DIY. A lot of the stuff that's in my little... The fridge... i am an ice co-ambassador. Luckily, I get to work with some of these cool brands. so They sent me this fridge. They said, pick a fridge. and I was like, I'll take the APL 55.
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I mean, I did the measurements, but I didn't realize how... like It's one thing doing the measurements, but then coming and seeing, I was like, oh my God, this thing is huge. So was like, what am going to do with this? ah So it does end up fitting, but I just went to down to the local hardware store and grabbed some plywood.
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And I'm not i'm not really... um super skilled when it comes like craftsmanship like that. So like I kind of did some of the easy ways. ah got these, some of aluminum plugs that fit into a inch by inch, uh, aluminum barring.
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So I didn't have to square anything. So I made this frame with this aluminum and then just put wood on the top. And I was like, boom, easy, but done. I, it's really small in that i can sleep in it now so going back to like having good it's but it's not the greatest night sleep so i only do it if i really have to or if i'm solo if shelby's not with me and we're like just stopping over for a night to reach the destin destination the next day i can do it's better than sleeping in the seat but i'm a big dude and the fridge is also big so it's like right like you guys are fighting for space yeah
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yeah yeah Yeah, I mean, I'm with you. Like, I'm, you know, of a six a six out of ten on the handyman scale. So, yeah, like, I built the the frame for the for the bed.
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But, you know, a lot of people have the kind of built-in drawers on the rails. Oh, yeah. And like, no, we're just getting some Sterilite containers. What ones fit right? Oh, yeah. absolutely so You know, i'm like, that's $20 right there and does the same job.
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Oh, yeah, exactly. I've got my neighbor across the street. I've got a good friend called Brad, and I call him a handyman wingman because he's one of the most talented craftsmen I know. so I always know if I have to hit the emergency button, you'll help me out. but It's always good to have a friend.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. it's good to have a friend who can get you out of a situation. Yeah. it' ah Yeah, I like i spent $100 maybe on the the frame and the drawers, and it's like – Oh, perfect. Yeah, it's it's been a game changer.
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like um Oh, yeah. I'm really, really enjoying it. Yeah. Was the frame mostly to get you flat? Yeah. So that I've got an 09 Ford Explorer. ah So, you know, it's basically six feet.
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ah Yeah. I'm exactly six feet tall. And if I like, you know, push the seats, the driver's seat, the passenger seat all the way forward. And if I lie completely flat, it's probably about six two So about three feet of it was flat, and then it goes up on a slope where the seats. back the seat, yep, yep, that's exactly what it is. So what I did was I built it three feet back and then just cut basically a triangle of foam.
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Yeah. So now it's completely flat all the way. Nice, perfect, yeah. Because I wanted to be able to put the seats up if I needed to. I rarely need to. Yeah. But this way i can so I can leave that bit of the frame in there and just fold the seats up.
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But i just need to move the piece of foam. That's exactly what I wanted with my build, too. I tried to make it in a successful. Luckily, if I need to access or use my back seats for even passengers, it'll still work.
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So we're on that same page right there. But yeah, that's a game changer. Having a good night's sleep, that's one of like the three things that if if you don't have it, if you don't have a good night sleeping, if you don't have a good time eating, and if you can't stay like comfortable,
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You might, you're probably not going to have a good time camping. So again, also like that's what a lot of my content and gears towards is is alleviating some of those things so that people can have a good time camping. Cause if you don't have a good time the first time, i feel like the likelihood of you going back, it doesn't, it's not something that people are like, oh I'll give it another try. If it's a bad time, they're like, Nope, never again, especially with the sleeping.
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That's i'm sleeping is top of my list. And if I go through hiking, I know I'm not going to sleep well and that's fine because that's part of all of it. You know part of the experience. Yeah. you know, a tiny little, you know, pumping up that the air pads and all of that stuff.
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Yeah. Like I get it. But when you're going camping, that's a top priority for me. Oh, yeah. I want a good night's sleep. I can tolerate anything else. Yeah, totally. Yeah, no, i'm I'm right there with you. And it's it's been a lot of fun and kind of dipping my toe into the car camping community has been a blast.
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Oh, yeah. there's There's a lot of people that cock camp out there. Even with my little crew that I camp with, I'm like, everybody's went at rooftop tent or sleeps inside their rig now. So I'm like the the last tent camper.
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ground The last whole tent. Yeah, on the ground. So um'm ah everybody's always joking. Like, all right, they'll get rolling first if the bears are out there. So we'll just start honking. I'm like, thanks, guys. Right. Appreciate you. Yeah.
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yeah They should park all their rigs in a sock with your tent in the middle, right? we Actually. have done that before There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of what's needed. i think that's, that's super cool.
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Yeah. Follow a couple of the people on Instagram that you go camping with regularly and they're just awesome. Like, Oh yeah. They're awesome. And they just seem like every one of them seems like pretty cool people. Yeah. That's, that's, there's such a good group and funny you mentioned it. Cause we're just kind of launching a super group of us. Um,
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called camp.homies. And homies stands for Healing Outdoor Mentorship Inspiring Environmental Stewardship. ah So camp homies, were we're like, let's do something as a group because everything's more fun camping, like when you're together with people and you can laugh. And because everybody else is so knowledgeable, like...
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between all of us we have like enough gear to probably help like an entire fleet of people but it's it's really cool to see everybody brings something to the table when their knowledge of like their car their vehicle their camp setup um so we're like with all this knowledge let's try to come together and maybe do like a super group for which we can serve more people for different kinds of backgrounds and levels of camping so that literally just we kind of just got that together this the past couple months and we're having our first meet and greet in july but yeah it's a super great group i've been camping with most of them for like a few years now and it's so funny i met all of them through like tiktok i was gonna ask you how did you guys get together as a group through teacher that's amazing yeah i mean we grew up in the the era of like don't meet strangers from the internet and literally all like my best friends are from and some of them are at my wedding you know like so like right and i met them all on tiktok
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That's ah it's such a cool thing. Yeah, you're right. I mean, it's sometimes I kind of sit back and reflect on like social media as a whole I'm like, gets a lot of bad rap sometimes and justifiably like there's a lot of negative stuff and there's so many of us and I'm guilty of it too we can just get lost in our phones doom scrolling and all of that stuff but I've met some from I met you I've met tremendous people yeah we met on um yeah exactly ah yeah and then Roland and I had dinner in February when I was out in California yeah yeah um yeah and I've met just some like you there no what would you term them real life friends
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yeah yeah I call my pre-social media post-social media friends. you know Right. yeah yeah so It's like so what this is's so much good, I feel, has come into my life from it.
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Most definitely. As well as staying in touch with people back home and things. but just yeah I looking at you know just Even just camping, that community online.
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Even if I'm at camping by myself, I know I've got people I can ask, hey, what would you do here? How would you do this? How would you do just this setup? That kind of thing. and it It's great to have people that are into the same stuff that you are. you know oh yeah yeah
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Camping in California, where your favorite places to camp out there?
Favorite Camping Locations and Stewardship
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Oh, wow. Let's see. Specifically in California. So California is pretty big. I mean, we do one of my favorite trips we do now. We do an annual trip to Death Valley.
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Um, ah Alex AP Fozzie introduced us to his friend. ah We call him Hot Dog. um And Hot Dog kind of grew up camping in Death Valley his whole life. So one of the first trips we went on, ah it's really helpful to have someone that knows the area, especially if when you're going to the national parks that I found.
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Because he's like, he's he's one of the homies for sure. But he also knows like, hey, what do you guys want to do? And he knows how long it takes to get to place. Cause death Valley is huge. It is huge. You can spend an entire day just going from one part of the park to the other.
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So right he knows like, it's going to take an hour and a half to get here. Then we can hang out here for an hour of like very loose itinerary, but gets, we had, we got so much done in one of the trips in like, i think it was our first trip in two days because he knew how to pace the trip and we're doing off-roading too. Some of it's on-roading, um,
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So that I really like Death Valley. we We always go towards like January, December, January, December, because it does get hot out there. It gets extremely hot.
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Luckily, the past few years, we've timed it perfectly. And the weather's like ideal, not too hot, not too cold at night, because it also gets cold there at night. Yeah. Let's see. Death Valley for sure.
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i like Cleveland National Forest. So that's our local national forest in our backyard. It's in San Diego. I actually don't know why it's called Cleveland National Forest. But right it's like a little, our local mountain range. And I'm really big on getting to know your campsites and getting to know like the wildlife and also other campers too. Like I've i've met some people that also camp frequently that run into at the campgrounds a lot.
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Um, I like to see the seasons change with the campground. I've seen, you know, it's a couple of my favorite little spots. I've seen them. I've camped there in rain and heat and snow. So to really get a feel for like the land itself.
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um And there's all kinds of spots. It's dispersed camping. There's like campground camping. A lot of times people always ask me like, oh, you've probably been to like all of the national parks because they see all my content.
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And I'm always like, no, I'm kind of like a you know, Weekend Warrior, I love my little local tucked away spots that you know aren't crowded. like like I said, I can get to know the land, some of the other campers that are sometimes there, sometimes not. The animals, you know, like that's like my favorite. Right.
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That's so interesting. It's it's very similar to my camping experience. We're very lucky. you know I've been to quite a few really cool places. Amazing, but you know a couple of national parks. They're phenomenal.
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So try not to make this too long of a story. I've got bit of a, you know, lived in Texas about half my life and I've got love-hate relationship with different things, being in education and can't stand the heat.
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But the Texas State Park system is an absolute crown jewel of the state. Like never been to one that isn't clean, helpful. You know, the you know sites are well marked. Like they they're done really well, like everyone I've ever been to.
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um But we're really fortunate we have one not 20 minutes drive up the road. And it's everything we want. you know It's just peaceful, it's low key. we know Like you, it's like we've we've now figured out, all these are the sites we like, these are the ones we don't.
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We've got ah really good friends. Well, you you've you know Lana Bell a little bit. You sent her an epic. whoview Oh, yeah, yeah. They're our camping buddies. They've got teardrop. um So it's like, all right, what works for my car camping and their teardrop?
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And that yeah we've figured at what sites. And, that again, that just removes any... potential stress it's so easy just to go get set up and and have that kind of camping fellowship you know oh yeah yeah that's a big part of camping is alleviating those things but as much as you can before you kind of get there definitely Yeah, and for them, it was interesting. They purchased a, I can't remember how long it was, been like a bumper pool camper.
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Okay. And it was cool. like It was yeah it's a cool camper. They camped in it, want to get it wrong, but maybe three, four times. And they were like, if we want to go camping for the weekend, we almost need to take a half day off just to load it up and get on the hitch and of this and that that. Oh, yeah. And then one time and they came with me and like, why don't you just sleep in the back of your car?
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And they did that and they're like, this is we're not going to do this. permanently you know like for the rest of our camping life but the ease and the lack of stress oh yeah a week or two later coming back with it with an awesome teardrop with a galley kitchen and oh an off-roading one so it's raced up oh nice oh yeah yeah and they're like us now they're like we can go camping with 20 minutes notice yeah that's the best way that's the best way yeah yeah So talk to me a little bit. I know that you've got the Homies Initiative, which I want to ask you some more questions about. Yeah. But you're quite big in, and I'm going to get it wrong, but you know keeping keeping informed in environmental stewardship by taking care of the land. And I assume that ties into your anthropological studies and background a little bit.
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So I'd love to hear more about like your philosophies and your beliefs and what you would want for everybody who's in the outdoors to kind of follow and and believe in. Yeah, totally. So i like i my pillars of my channel are keep your camp safe, clean, and informed. So those three pillars are what basically all of my content is kind of geared towards. Even the funny content, I try to make the funny content...
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Funny, but also to alleviate, like I said, some of the like the fears of, like let's say, you know packing out trash is that's one of the big things, especially when you're overlanding um or overlanding or like dispersed camping. um But anywhere, really. like Even if you're in state parks, it's a good it's a good thing to make a habit of just...
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Cleaning up after yourself, you know, like making sure that you don't leave, ah yeah like even paper cups in the fire pits. That's kind of things you see a lot like, or food on the trail, you know, like because of the different environmental impacts it has for the animals that live there, you know, the biology of the soil, see different things like that. And I think that a lot of times...
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For me, like it's definitely like a a connection, like a spiritual connection with the land too. It's also respecting the land and understanding that we all have to be stewards of it. and it's ah It's a group effort of like strangers that you don't know. um One of the homies on Instagram says, he calls it like the cart theory. He's like, you can always tell people that don't leave trash at a campsite when you're the Trader Joe's parking lot or whatever parking lot. and The people that put their carts away and don't just leave on the curb are probably the people that also...
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will clean up by themselves at camp, and the people that don't put their carts away are the people that are leaving their trash at camp. So that was a really interesting ah take on it, being the people that put their carts away and that don't put their carts away.
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um But ultimately, did we drop for a second? We dropped for just a second. You were just telling us about the Trader Joe cart. is that well Obviously, the kind of litmus test of who puts their cart back and who doesn't.
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Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, totally. So, and I know the there's a big, in the outdoors, especially i didn't realize how much of this there would be before I got into the camping space. um One of the big divides in outdoor creators is this concept of gatekeeping, which is Do you drop an exact pin to the locations that you're sharing or do you not drop a pin to the locations that you're sharing?
00:26:01
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So one school of thought is people will show this beautiful spot. And if you do that, I've learned. That's why also too, why I like just sharing my local campgrounds because, they're not like the Yosemite Valley photo. So people are very rare to ask, where is this? But when I am in national parks and I'm at, and I'm, I am showing those shots, people always ask, where is this? you know that's like the one question I think every outdoor creator gets is where exactly is this spot?
00:26:28
Speaker
You know? Right. So in some people do, and some people don't share them. I, I tend to, have the approach that I like to educate. I would rather educate people than drop the exact pin. So I kind of fall on both sides, but I always want to educate people. Like this is how you find these sites. Here's some resources. Here's some of the websites. Here's how to navigate the county parks, the national parks, the national forest.
00:26:52
Speaker
These are what these emblems mean when you're looking at the map, because I think it is true. Part of the journey of going out is finding your own spaces in your own places. So I'm always happy to share educationally how to do that.
00:27:04
Speaker
And also, too, sometimes the places that we're going that are super beautiful, and we are off-roading and there are no amenities there. So even if I do share the location, if someone is in like my DMs, I ask them a list of questions first. and like you know What kind of vehicle do you have? How comfortable are you?
00:27:19
Speaker
What amenities do you need? Yeah. how do you What kind of tires do you have? Do you have a recovery kit? Are you going alone? Before I even give them those locations. And sometimes just those questions alone, they'll just stop answering because they're probably like, oh yeah, it's probably not the spot for me.
00:27:34
Speaker
But if we start a conversation like that and they they seem like they're competent, and I always mention, you know, there is no amenities, even trash. So there's no trash removal and there's no trash cans. So do you have a way to pack out your trash, you know?
00:27:47
Speaker
So that's kind of my goal is to educate people combat the the gap of people that new campers and experienced campers with education, combat and use education to also you know make it fun and and inspiring for people too. Because you in the same vein too, i get it. like A lot of times the gatekeeping thing, there's a leave no trace policies too that's that goes hand in hand with that.
00:28:15
Speaker
So this is probably the time of year I see a lot of creators posting about people leaving fire campfires burning and they'll pull up to a campsite, whether it's back country or their campground. And, you know, there's embers still in the fire from the previous people that have been there.
00:28:30
Speaker
And it's always a video that gets a lot of traction because, you know, people, it, it's a, it's a part that really angers people rightfully. So, because that should not happen, but I never had, you should always put out your fire,
00:28:46
Speaker
But the one thing that kind of irks me is I never see a creator follow up in that video or the next video. Hey, this is how you properly put out a campfire. It's always just this sucks. Don't do this. You need to put out your fires.
00:29:00
Speaker
And then that's it. So I have pinned on my page. My first three videos are, you know, one is about. packing out your trash. One is about putting out a fire properly with water.
00:29:11
Speaker
and the other one's like an introduction to me. It's a funny one, but um I feel like people should, if you're going to, you know, if you're going to, hate to use the word complain because it's not complaining. It's rightful. So if you're going to be, right have being, you know, if you're going to want to call out people for putting, leaving trash or having a fire, be part of the solution as well. You know, like give some information to help alleviate that problem because the audience members that are like just watching it because they're like, oh my God, a campfire. They may not know, oh, when I go out there, I need to do that. So they'll remember that video. So if you leave them also remembering how to properly put it out, hopefully that'll alleviate some of that kind of stuff we see out on the trails and in the campgrounds out there.
Educational Benefits of Outdoor Experiences
00:29:54
Speaker
Yeah, it's just when you're talking about this, it just the parallels in my mind, you know, working with what I'm a bit, you know, I've just left the role of a behavior specialist in the school.
00:30:05
Speaker
And a lot of the times I'd work with teachers who are rightly frustrated with the child's behavior. And they'd kind of want to go here, can you fix? Can you fix this problem? Here's the child. Absolutely not. I'm going to create an environment and facilitate a method for you to to re redirect this child's behavior because you're you're not just going to cast them away and expect them to come you know know what to do.
00:30:27
Speaker
yeah they come out You have to be part of the solution. Most definitely. Otherwise, you're giving you have no power and you're giving all the power and authority to me. This is your classroom. You can't complain, again, even though it's justified, yeah yeah and not show this child the way, the way that they can be successful.
00:30:46
Speaker
ah Agreed. it was just It's such an interesting parallel. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think it's cause like, you know, I feel like in a sense, know. You obviously the podcast is and education basis. A lot of creators, I think it's just so natural. I, I can't not have that aspect of education in my content. You know, I feel like that's the, it's it's such a good pillar to have. It builds community. you know, that's like the, the, i don't know. It's just in, in some people like us, it's just in us, you know, and I love, I love doing it too. Yeah.
00:31:16
Speaker
Yeah. I'm, I'm, I've always kind of known it theoretically, you know, like the education and the outdoor, you know, world's coming together. But it always has hit me when we, so I work in a, you know, pretty urban area.
00:31:28
Speaker
And there's a lot of kids who, this is all they know is is apartment blocks and concrete. yeah that yeah And their first time outdoors beyond their neighborhood park through nobody's fault, you know, yeah is when we went in fifth grade. So they're about, you know, 9, 10, 11.
00:31:46
Speaker
We take them to science camp. Ooh, nice. see For kind of three days, two nights. And again, I've kind of always known in theory how good this is for the kids to go. But yeah the years that I've gone, you see these really ah hardened kids who come from tough environments,
00:32:03
Speaker
You know, you don't want to sort stereotype in any way, but often broken homes or parents working two, three jobs, you know, not your traditional nine to five nuclear family but with all the ducks in a row.
00:32:14
Speaker
yeah These are kids who've been put in a tough situation. So they have ah they have an armor on. that they're not going to let people in. Again, completely understandable. You just get these kids into nature, and suddenly they're just playing with sticks.
00:32:29
Speaker
Oh, yeah. you know They're drawing things on the ground with chalk, and they're playing with leaves, and they're like, I've never seen a tree this big. yeah e Obviously, you don't see it, but you cant I swear you can almost see this armor that they defend themselves with falling off.
00:32:45
Speaker
yeah and the difference is they've removed so much of the outside noise and they're just listening to the leaves crinkle under their feet the sticks snapping in their hand yeah and and you see a lot of the behavior issues just kind of you know it's it's almost like diluting like in water they just go away yeah and yeah and i i kind of think about these situations and these kids a lot and it's like nothing in their life changed other than being in nature was how can I take what I've learned and ensure that I'm a vehicle for passing on and it doesn't end with me?
00:33:20
Speaker
Oh, yeah. you i means but What's the point in that? What's the point of me holding on to information that other people have graciously bestowed to me? yeah and yeah I've just got to be a vehicle for it and make sure it gets passed on.
00:33:32
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah. it so It's so funny you mentioned that because we were just talking on our last camp trip with ah one of the members of Camp Homies. One of the first things that we want to try to do We have no clue how we're going to do it yet First step is we want to go to the local libraries and Talk to them if they would like to have, like, let's say a couple full camp setups for like a family of four.
00:33:54
Speaker
And we'll try to source all the gear, like between some of our contacts and just being in the outdoor space. Or even if we can get it funded and we can buy it ourselves and donate it to the library. And then partner with a school so that if, ah you know, camping gear is expensive, like we were just saying.
00:34:08
Speaker
And a lot of times if you're, if you're you know, a family of three or four know, You don't know if you want to make that investment in the beginning to see if you to see if your kid likes it Because they may not. you know It's not for everybody. you know So we want to partner with the libraries to have a system in which, one, we can get them gear.
00:34:25
Speaker
Two, we'll make content on those specific pieces of gear so that you know if you if your camp trip is five weeks out, the library would say, here's this... here's all these videos that you can watch leading up to your trip with your kids to make it fun, to also show them how to use the gear, how to use it safely, properly, how to clean up the gear and then return it so that,
00:34:46
Speaker
all everybody can access them as long as you you know you're you have like ah a school, a little school ID or school sponsorship. Because one of the main concerns the library was having is that, especially with like the unhoused population in Oceanside, what we're trying to do at first is they might take just you know rent the gear never bring it back, so which is a solid concern.
00:35:07
Speaker
Ideally, we would love to like have a pipeline of gear to say, all right, so once the the brand new gear is used for, you know, For students, you know, 18 and under, let's say. And then once that gear kind of like ages out or we get new gear, then it can move to like general. Anybody can rent it from the library. And then kind of like who cares if it doesn't come back? If they need it people need it that bad, they need it that bad.
00:35:29
Speaker
So we want to establish that kind of pipeline. Right. That's kind of like our our first project that we want to tackle. And then if we can get it working in one library, we would love to reach out to other educators in libraries and schools and kind of like, hey, we have a system.
00:35:43
Speaker
Just let us plug it into you guys and we can get you this going, you know? I love it. it's it's a um And we've got a brilliant idea. that there's We've got two universities in our town that we live in.
00:35:56
Speaker
In the University of North Texas, I just found out maybe a year ago, they've got an outdoors kind of you know department where you can check out a tent, a sleeping bag, a stove. It's like $5 a night, $7 a night. yeah you know And you just need a student an ID, which is kind of how they maybe get around the unhoused population thing.
00:36:15
Speaker
but you know Because it's a bit different. But yeah like that's so awesome. And it was donated stuff. It was all you know people who just said, yeah, have this stove, have this you know headlamp, whatever it may be.
00:36:26
Speaker
oh yeah. You can check out individual items or just a tub. but Yeah, that is actually... Yeah, so it's a very similar idea, but you've taken it to another level with that. I can just imagine a QR code on the box.
00:36:37
Speaker
Exactly, yeah. It takes it straight to your video. you know Yeah. And then it's... but how and It could also be that people just camp in their backyard. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, yeah. The the first time.
00:36:50
Speaker
That's something that Slim Pickens does. Every year they host a backyard camp, and I think they go live from their backyard, but, like, other families also participate. So I'm a huge advocate for that, too. I mean, even if if I were to go on a camping trip, like, or a backpacking trip specifically, even as, like, ah someone that's experienced in camping, I want to set that thing up in my backyard so that I'm not struggling when I get out there, you know? Absolutely.
00:37:18
Speaker
Yeah. like, I want to set it up in my, don't personally, this is just me, but I'd probably want to set it up in my backyard. During the day and at night. And ideally, too, if it's windy. That's just me. because like But it that's a huge, huge, ah again a great tip and a huge help to to camp in your backyard, especially if you're someone that's never camped before.
00:37:38
Speaker
Even camping in your backyard, you'd be surprised how many things you hear, how many animals, even if it's dogs barking. It's kind of the same experience when you're not in... um like ah an urban area, because it's all things that are like, oh my gosh, what is that? Like, how how close is it?
00:37:54
Speaker
Because weirdly, when you're on the ground, specifically sleeping in a tent, sound travels really well at campgrounds. so And you can you know when there's other people, if there's other campers, you're like, oh wow, that they sound way closer than they actually are, even if they're like you know five or six camp sites over.
00:38:10
Speaker
Right. But then when you're dispersed camping, like i used to solo camp dispersed a lot before I kind of met our group. And There's times when I was laying there and i was I have no clue how close this this like sound is like, it's probably an animal. Like I'm hoping it's an animal, right? But I animal, like how, how close is it to me? Is it coming in my direction or is it leaving?
00:38:32
Speaker
And um so if you're experiencing that the first time when you're out camping, that could be a little jarring, but when you're in your backyard, you can always just go back inside, you know, and but you'll get, it you can pull the cord. and Yeah. yeah ah You'll get a taste of it, you know? And so the more you can get comfortable doing that, like it's a, it's a process, you know?
00:38:51
Speaker
Like said, it's really hard to just go out your first time not knowing what to expect, what you're going to run into, what you're going to hear, see, smell. you know How your food's going to taste is a big one. you know i Absolutely. I'm sure we've all got horror cooking stories. ah yeah you know like Just things not going to plan. You can't get the fire to light, to all of that stuff.
00:39:14
Speaker
Yeah. Or you can't have a fire at all. I've cooked a steak on a jet boil with a pot on it. did you just like scoot, just have to keep moving? yeah yeah I just had to rotate it with my fork.
00:39:26
Speaker
Just kept on spinning it because I didn't really have enough room to like move it like side to side. So I was like rotating, like oscillating it and then flip it. Have you ever walked under for your dinner?
00:39:37
Speaker
Oh, it tastes so good. And because it was it. did We planned to cook it on the fire with a grill, but the fire bans in California that year were so bad that you couldn't have any wood fire at all.
00:39:50
Speaker
And then luckily we were able to use our gas stove because that was the same year that a couple weeks later, they didn't even allow gas stoves. It was so bad. Really? It was just so dry. Yeah. You basically just had to bring sandwiches, you know, in the cooler because you couldn't light anything.
00:40:04
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we've done that a couple times when we're like last minute camping. It's ah, we didn't defrost end the thing. Let's just grab a pizza on the way up camping. Oh, yeah. um so I do that all the time, especially when I go reph right right from work.
00:40:18
Speaker
I'll just grab a pizza. um I'll tell the homies, like, hey, I'm bringing Panda Express, and I'll just get like the family pack, and then we'll all eat that. Right. Or like Ryan, who's who drives the Jeep, he's the one in our group. He always comes with like a Costco pizza.
00:40:31
Speaker
The last group trip, he brought like a bunch of Jollibee, which is like Filipino fried chicken. So yeah whatever makes it easy. You know, it doesn't – whatever makes it easy. if it You don't have to worry about cooking if you're new and you're like, um don't even have a stove.
00:40:43
Speaker
Bring pizza. Bring sandwiches. You know, like until you have to, until you can do some research, you know, pull together some funds. Keep it simple. Keep it simple. Yeah, absolutely. And it's something like there's times that I almost go camping because I'm just in that mood to get the fire going and cook over the fire.
00:40:59
Speaker
oh yeah. There's other times I just don't want to deal with the yeah dirty dishes or oh like all of that stuff. Yes. It just depends on our mood. You know, what do we want out of this trip?
00:41:10
Speaker
Most definitely, yeah. That's a good good thing. It's for anybody. Set your intention for the trip. You know, set it something like, what do you want to You want the the goal this trip to be to learn so how to use a piece of your gear well? Could it be to just relax?
00:41:25
Speaker
And I think... The unstructuredness that a lot of people experience in nature, setting a little bit of structure can help on the mental game of it. you know like Absolutely. things or A path to kind of be on.
00:41:38
Speaker
um I'm kind of really big on the the the philosophy that I've learned through camping because I'm really interested in how things in my camping life affect like my day-to-day life. So I started camping is when I started getting into like the the idea of everyday carry. Like, so I always keep like a flashlight and a knife on me. um Cause at work I use it all the time, but you'd be surprised how often you need kind of those things or it can make it easier in your daily life.
00:42:03
Speaker
Everybody gets an Amazon package. So you always have a knife in your pocket. You're never like, you know, things like that. So and it's kind of, i got that philosophy kind of like, through camping too, that basically the more you prepare and have a plan, the more you can be spontaneous.
00:42:22
Speaker
So they're kind of like two opposing, like, well, if you're a planner, how how you calling that spontaneous? So i always describe it in the best cases, like talking about the Outback again, my recovery system and my traction boards.
00:42:35
Speaker
So when I'm out there, especially if I'm solo If I didn't have my traction boards in the recovery system and I saw this cool forest road and I was by myself and I'm looking at it, if I didn't have my recovery gear, I'd probably would like, I don't feel comfortable going down there because what if something happens?
00:42:50
Speaker
But if i have my recovery gear, meaning I'm planning for something to happen, I'm a little bit more confident because I know that even if I get stuck, I have the tools to get out. So it allows me to be spontaneous out there. Right.
00:43:02
Speaker
being a little bit prepared for kind of all different scenarios. And I really love that. I feel like that philosophy I've taken into like, i've I've expanded it into like the culture of like, even like emotions and therapy. It's like therapy gives you these tools, these recovery systems.
00:43:18
Speaker
So when you hit a rock out there in our social spaces, you have these tools to kind of get yourself back to a safe spot, you know, and recollect yourself. So, and I learned that through camping, you know, like, and I started thinking about it.
00:43:31
Speaker
Like, i was like, wow, it's it's kind of the same everywhere, you know, just being prepared. i guess that's the old, you know, better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it kind of scenario. Absolutely. Yeah. The life lessons that camping has taught you could be it's so interesting, but you're right. It's almost like I've never really thought about it. Like the way you just phrased it, the more prepared you are, it allows you to be more spontaneous because you have foundation of, you know, if things go wrong, you're you're good. You've got everything covered.
00:43:57
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or at least you have a plan. Even ah even if it's extreme, you know, a lot of extreme survivalists say the biggest thing with survival is your mental state, your mentality, and your your mental approach to the situation.
00:44:08
Speaker
So even if you're like, oh my God, this is really bad, instead of going straight into panicking, you go straight into what's in my toolbox, what can I use? And then you kind of start thinking outside the box, no pun intended, of like, even if it's really bad, how to, so you you go into planning mode rather than panic mode right away.
00:44:26
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, something I've had to work on just here and there throughout my life is not catastrophizing situations. Yeah. and And reminding myself that up until this point in my life, I've never been in a situation that hasn't worked out okay.
Mental Health and Safety in Nature
00:44:41
Speaker
Most definitely. yeah You know, I've made it. I've made it this far in life and it's not always the way I thought it was going to, but it's there's not one that I can say hasn't worked out okay. Oh yeah, most definitely.
00:44:52
Speaker
Yeah, reminding ourselves that, and that's part of that mental approach and that healthy mental approach to adversity and all and all in all walks of life, really. Right. but You're absolutely right. the more that The more I camp and the more I've through hikes or just being just a day in the park, feeling that connection between the outside world and that world is is so interesting. And maybe it's coming with age. I don't know.
00:45:15
Speaker
But I think about it lot more than I used to. Oh, yeah. I think it's something that definitely comes with time spent outside. And that was one of the things that I came across in my research when I was interviewing hikers on the trail.
00:45:26
Speaker
So I would get their email. And then when they were in town, I would just like, you know, before they got to town, I wanted at least three or four of my emails in their inbox because I know that their time is precious. So but that's one of the things that i did find out. One of the things I was asking is how they felt.
00:45:40
Speaker
safety wise when they started the trail versus how they felt, you know, two weeks in three weeks in four weeks in, i kind of gave them a survey. And a lot of people actually said at first they felt really scared their first couple of nights, especially because when they were solo, but by the time they hit like week six around there, they started to feel like they were protected by nature and they felt more scared going into town to resupply than being in nature. it's Completely flipped their, their, their perception of safety.
00:46:09
Speaker
it was that was one of the things that was the most brilliant that i thought i was like wow that is extremely interesting to see yeah something like that a switch like that you know yeah and does it speak to i mean it's like rabbit holes you go down does that speak to who we truly are as human beings yeah really all of that oh yeah yeah that's i mean that's my that's what i love is stuff like you exactly just said like we're so hardwired to nature and and you know looking at from evolutionarily, like all this, all this and internet and, you know, out in cities is relatively new when you look at our, you know, entire, you know, our species spending time outside. So I feel like i always tell people it's a reintroduction to outdoors, not a, you know, a you're newly outdoors. You're reeducating yourself because I think it's really in in us to thrive outside.
00:46:59
Speaker
If we can, like you said, peel back the layers, beautiful things can happen outside for sure. I completely agree. There's a reason it feels so good and there's a reason you feel at peace.
00:47:11
Speaker
Oh, yeah. when youre rightly Absolutely. I'm so excited about that they they the camp homies. like I've already got ideas in my head and it's not my place to have ideas. It's everybody's place. You could sell awesome t-shirts to help fund all this gear for the kids. Oh, yeah. oh yeah Camp homies on the front and an epic poo view on the back.
00:47:32
Speaker
you know you You will sell out, my friend. That'll be gone. get up and There'll be satellite groups popping up, your chapters all over the place. that's That's what we would love to have. you know Kind of an informal but more structured formal group of people that just care about educating and getting people outside. You know, that's our main goal. Having fun, community, you know, all that all that good stuff.
00:47:55
Speaker
Well, I've got a couple of quick questions for you before we kind of wrap this up. yeah speaking of Speaking of the Camp Homies initiative, you know, if you guys are sitting there, you're around the campfire, the vehicles are set up, who's the one person in the world you would wish could join you for a Camp Homies night?
00:48:12
Speaker
Ooh, that's a really good question. and you You can't choose your good wife or anyone you like like that, somebody who you wouldn't be camping with. you know okay and They can be dead or alive, somebody you know, somebody you don't know, anything like that.
00:48:26
Speaker
Okay. So my mind goes to two places right away. One is is, it something that I would want, but me being so, so community oriented to be like, would it be someone that would match well with the entire group?
00:48:36
Speaker
So, you know, maybe you could give us both. Yeah. Okay. um
00:48:44
Speaker
I think it was for me personally, ah one of the big influences in my life when it comes to just like approaches, it was a, he was a speaker. His name was like Jiddu Krishnamurti from India.
00:48:57
Speaker
um I really fell into like Eastern philosophy kind of when I was in my early twenties. But if you look him up, he he says, he's like he's like, I'm not, ah I'm not a, I'm not a philosopher. I'm not a religious leader. I'm not all this stuff. His story is really interesting, but I would love to, in all of his talks he gave, he ended up passing away and his his last place of residence was Ojai, California, which is a place I still camp. That's why I camped there because I would really like going to Ojai.
00:49:22
Speaker
But he used to give these talks, just like hours long talks like a bunch of people these like Oak Groves there. And I always thought, i feel like he would be a great camper. Yeah. We have a great campfire fire conversation. um So that's for sure what I always think. If it was just for me and I could just like sit and listen and you know just completely indulge.
00:49:43
Speaker
um Let's see. If it was someone for the whole group... Man, ah, I feel like someone i would always want to take for some reason, I would probably take this musical artist that I like who seems really cool.
00:49:57
Speaker
His name Rex Life Raj. He's out of be Berkeley, California. um If by chance he hears this, Rex, let's go camping. um Right. I really like him because he was the first R&B like hip hop artist that I saw that he filmed one of his videos called Handheld GPS.
00:50:12
Speaker
like around outside. i think like some parts were even like on the outer boundaries of like Yosemite. And he talks, he's a very, you know, i i wouldn't say he was ah a full, he's an activist, but he talks a lot about community and he talks a lot about um connection with nature and like just ways that I've never seen someone from that genre lyrically talk about and also visually represent. So, and I think he he just seems like a cool dude too. He seems funny.
00:50:40
Speaker
He seems like musically inclined. It would be cool to have like a You know, like a little concert, a little low-key concert, dispersed camping so we don't interrupt anybody else, you know. Absolutely. Around the campfire. Around the campfire. I love it. It sounds like a good time would be had by all.
00:50:57
Speaker
i would hope so. That's right. Now, let's see. Second question for If you could only listen to one piece of music, you may have answered this question, or one audio book for the next month, what would it be?
00:51:09
Speaker
Oh, man. That's not too far from my ah my kind of like neurodivergence because I tend to listen to the same songs over and over and over. Right, right. But I had to pick one just all the time, my all-time favorite song that can always listen to, and when it comes back on the rotation, I almost do listen to it for a month straight, is the song called The Widow by the Mars Volta.
00:51:33
Speaker
It's a one of my favorite all-time songs. I'm going to need to look that one up. Not familiar with it. yeah yeah All right. I'm digging it. And then final question for you here.
00:51:47
Speaker
If you and the camp homies could go camping at a fictional place, oh where would you go where could you go? If you could snap your fingers and all your gear is there, the weather's perfect. Where do you think it would be?
00:51:58
Speaker
we got i gotta go neverland man the one from hook with all the you know that's a that's a great answer they had that rufio came in on that little surfing thing and you know like just right yeah with all that cool like and it's like that island oh yeah for sure it'd be neverland ah that's that's a great answer I love it now you've got me rethinking my thoughts I love it yeah last question for if people want to find you on social media or get in touch somehow what's the best way to get hold of you
00:52:32
Speaker
ah So on all my social media channels, it is
00:52:43
Speaker
um So instead of Anthropology, it's Campthropology.
Wrap-up and Contact Information
00:52:47
Speaker
I really liked the name when I first came up with it. It seems to be doing good, but a lot of people like from a marketing standpoint, that's pretty complicated to remember, but I'm like, that's what it is.
00:52:56
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um But on all all the channels, I have all my, ah the same handle. Luckily, no one had it, which was also good. Yeah, that always helps. No, I like it because it' it speaks to exactly who you are. So I think it's sort the perfect handle.
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Yeah, i appreciate it. Yeah, I love it. Perfect, man. Well, I can't thank you enough for giving up your time to be here. This is this has been fantastic. Thank you very much. Yeah, so much, Alistair. This is amazing.
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i still I do a lot of my podcasts. I have a podcast too. i i I do them in person because I've always been intimidated by the online one. But once I get stuff rolling for my online doing this, I would love to have you on mine as well.
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Awesome. That's fantastic, man. Well, I appreciate you greatly. That's been been fantastic. Yeah, thank you so much, Alistair. This has been fun.
00:53:43
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