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Discovering Slow Travel – a conversation with The Holiday Fixer Gemma Perry
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One of the growing trends in leisure travel is the increasing interest in slow travel.
In this episode of the Rest and Recreation, the work life balance podcast produced by Abeceder host Michael Millward meets Gemma Perry, the Holiday Fixer.
Gemma explains that the term slow travel can be interpreted in different ways by different parts of the travel industry.
They discuss what has created the interest in slow travel and how that is driving growth in the sector.
Gemma offers advice on how to select the best slow travel options for you, including when families including triple or more generational families want a slow travel experience.
Michael and Gemma also share memories of their own individual experiences of slow travel.
You will leave this podcast understanding inspired to embark on your own slow travel adventure.
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Introduction to Rest and Recreation Podcast
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Hello and welcome to Rest and Recreation, the work-life balance podcast from Abysida. I'm your host, Michael Millward, Managing Director of Abysida.
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Today, Gemma Parry from theholidayfixer.com is going to be telling me all about slow travel in our first travel-focused episode of Rest and Recreation.
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As with every episode of Rest and Recreation, we won't be telling you what to think, but we are hoping to make you think. Today's Rest and Recreation guest is Gemma Perry from theholidayfixer.com.
Gemma Parry's Career Transition
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Hello Gemma. Hi, Michael. How are you today? oh i am very well. Thank you very much. And I hope that you can say the same. Absolutely. It's a pleasure to be with you here today. Thank you for having me. You say a pleasure now, waiting half an hour later. I hope you're still saying the same. I'm sure I will.
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Whereabouts in the world are you today? I'm actually based in Wiltshire. Wiltshire on sort of like the West Country. Yes, the West Country. Well, I suppose you're a travel agent because you love travel.
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Absolutely. I've had a very fruitful upbringing and had exposure to some incredible places in the world. Coming from a corporate background, um I decided that I'd had enough of the rnd you know the grind every day. So I thought, well, you know i love to travel and an opportunity arose for me to do something independently. So I thought, well, why not? Having two small children of my own I thought this was my time to not only expose other people to my knowledge, but also to give that to my kids as well.
Business Foundation Amidst COVID
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Brilliant. Why the name The Holiday Fixer?
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I was actually on holiday with my children and I met somebody who has a very small franchise and she had set up this business independently on her own.
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You know, when someone you meet somebody for the first time and they give you that whole elevator speech of what they do. And when she told me about the holiday fixer and about, you know, how she'd set it up herself, I was like, oh my God, I want to do what you do. That was my foot in the door and been going from strength to strength.
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I actually started my business up in November 2019. And we can all remember what happened shortly after that. But you know, actually, it was a really great opportunity for me because it gave me the time to learn my craft to get my clients and to really understand what it was I wanted to specialize in and how I wanted to support people going forward.
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As a holiday fixer, are you fixing holidays and bringing people back in a crisis and all those sorts of things?
Role as a Holiday Fixer
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Is that how it works? i I would describe it as the holiday fixer as, I mean, obviously, you know, we don't want bad things to happen when you're away, but we know from historic times and coming through COVID that Sitting on a phone line for hours on end is not really feasible. And it can be very frustrating when you can't actually speak to a person.
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Being a fixer, i am a person at the end of the phone or a WhatsApp if something goes wrong or if there's a question. But I think really the term fixing is is really helping people that get the most out of what they want from going abroad. Because let's face it, it's not cheap. I think we all have sometimes very individual needs of what we want when we go away.
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And really, that's my job to listen, to create and to provide that fixing of a holiday for my clients. you're fixing it before it actually starts.
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Exactly. And removing the chances or the risks of things going wrong because everything has been planned very carefully. Yes. And also I have such a great calibre of suppliers around me that I can tap into, not just your you know your standard um sort of online.
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We have lots have lots of trade only suppliers that I'm able to utilise and kind of pick and choose elements that are suited to those clients needs and expectations, because not one size fits all for everybody's holiday.
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And I think it's really important that when you want to go away and you want to spend your hard earned money, that you know that you're getting quality um tried and tested. And also, I think since COVID, you know, our normal holidays now are not just I want to go and do a beach holiday. Yes, of course, we want to do beach holidays, but we want to go and also see other parts of the world that we maybe didn't necessarily think of before.
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So really, that's where I come in and help facilitate all of that. Yeah, I'm dead excited now. I am. Are you? Well, this is very exciting. I am, because it's like I've travelled an awful lot with work and with leisure, but an awful lot with work. And when something goes wrong, like you arrive at the hotel... they haven't got your reservation.
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Yes. Yeah. And you're sort like, what do I do now type of thing? Or you're standing at an airport, outside the airport, so you can't go back in and the person who's supposed to be picking you up isn't there. But...
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ah There's all sorts of things that can go wrong. And the last thing that you want is for something to go wrong. And for nobody speak your language, it's a very lonely feeling, especially when you're while you're in one of those exciting places that people don't very often go to. Things can be, they can be a little bit too exciting, shall we say.
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The unknown. Yeah, absolutely agree with you. if You want everything to go as smoothly as possible because you might be there for for two weeks. You might be there for three days. It doesn't really matter.
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You want to make the most you want to get the most out of the time that you are there. Absolutely. isnt You know, and as I said before, you've spent all of your hard earned money getting there.
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You want to maximize um the opportunity and immerse yourself in that destination or or whatever you've decided to do. Making sure that it's beneficial, not just there, it all goes horribly wrong and it goes horribly wrong and wrong and wrong again. you know, really, that's what I'm there for.
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Add reassurance. you Bad things come in threes. Yeah.
Exploring the Concept of Slow Travel
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and One of the things that we decided to talk about at the moment, when you say that people's attitudes towards travel has changed since the pandemic and lockdown, and is there's been a ah growing trend for holidays that involve slow travel? Absolutely. Rather than yeah let's get to the airport, get on a plane, get to wherever it is we're going really quickly. there's Slow travel is more interesting. But from a travel agent's perspective, what does slow travel mean?
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I think really it means you're choosing to go to a destination, a country. What is it that you really want to get out of of that trip? Really what you want to do is is truly immerse yourself in that, truly appreciate where you are. It's not about getting from A to B to C to D.
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you know Well, as quickly as possible, but it's really absorbing where you are and what you're doing, because ultimately you're going to that destination for an experience, the people, the culture, the food, the surroundings, whatever it is.
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It's all about being present in that moment, because I think. You go from that daily grind of busy working, managing kids, you know, clubs, friends, going out weekends, etc. You know, this is all about slowing down.
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This is about going somewhere and being like, you know, I'm here. this is this is what i'm I'm ready to experience. And I think that's what slow travel really represents.
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Yes. What you're describing, I suppose, is a complete 180 degree difference from the package holiday, which involves going somewhere as cheaply and as quickly as possible, getting there and just being in one of those resorts or hotel areas that you could be anywhere in the world.
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Exactly. Exactly. What you eat at home has been transferred to the foreign location. And it's the only thing that's different is that the temperature is different and you're in a hotel or an apartment rather than being home.
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Whereas you don't actually get to experience the local culture, the local food. You don't get to experience what it's like to actually live there, to be part of that community.
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Yes, I mean, I'd say yes and no because I think a lot of hotel chains now have evolved dramatically. And they really are trying to bring their own cultures to people who are staying with them, bringing in um outside experiences, activities that are, you know, prevalent in that local area.
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And that is something that's becoming more and more. And I think as ah as a travel agent, that's really what I try to drill down to is What are you looking to get out of this trip away? And helping them select properties or locations where I know that those activities and cultures are available.
Psychological Aspects of Slow Travel
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When we agreed to talk about slow travel, I was thinking what we'll be talking about is the actual the actual process of travel being slower. So something that was physical. But what you're talking about is almost more psychological, the more slowing down of the need to think, the need to to rush around places. You're talking about Like you say, that ah moment where you just have slipped.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's almost like it's a psychological thing, but it's also a physical thing where you just think like, I just feel relaxed because I'm not rushing. I'm not going from this to that, but days are planned and I know what I'm doing. you Your brain starts to to operate in a different way.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think it's important because we all have busy lives. Those things in COVID was, we all kind of took a step back from our a daily grind, not not that we weren't working, but we weren't going out all the time and being in a multitude of different places we we had to slow down we had to stop um and i think that's now becoming more and more taken up in in the travel perspective yeah it's almost as if people have learned a different way to to live a different way to holiday absolutely well we had to right yes very much so very much so because you talked about the money and know holidays being an investment i suppose rather than just an expense
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Yep. Is it expensive to do this type of thing or can you do it on a budget? Absolutely. i mean, you don't... Absolutely is expensive or absolutely you can do it on a budget.
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Which one? Which one? yeah To both, to both, because it all depends, I think, Michael, on what you're comfortable in spending. There is a multitude of things that you can do to either save money or spend money. It really is what you're comfortable with.
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There's lots of airlines who have lovely seats that you can travel in and you can get from A to B really quickly in, you know, five star luxury in the sky. um or you can go on a budget airline. You can have a couple of gin and tonics if that's what you're into. And you can still get there in the same amount of time. It all comes down to individual preferences. You don't have to be a millionaire, billionaire to to travel slowly.
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It can be done on a budget. And again, i think that's just what people look to people in travel for their expertise and guidance really it's all working on individual basis i don't think it's a one size fits all from what you're saying it sounds as if a key part of the luxury of any holiday ah is making sure that you're going to get value for money however much it is that you choose to spend you are going to get value for money yep we're all novices you know i'm a novice in terms of travel i've traveled lots and lots of times
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But to go outside of my comfort zone to experience something new. Where do I start? yeah Well, it's a huge risk. yeah Yeah. Where do I start? It's a huge risk. And yet, do I worry about where it is that I'm going?
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You know, yesterday I spoke to somebody who's made a decision that they want to have visited at least 100 countries. That's part of the thing on their bucket list. So they're constantly adding more countries. Yeah.
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Or do i want to have an experience or do something specific, which might be available in lots of places, but where can I go and do it at my budget, at my time?
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And it's like, well, find me an expert and let me trust them. Let me pick their brains and let them do the legwork. Exactly. To make sure exact that I have everything that I need.
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And of course, whenever travel comes up you've also got that thing well, know, children. Yep. This slow travel with children, how do you make slow travel and experience work for children? or does it become like you spend a fortune on a Christmas present for a two-year-old and they spend, they unwrap it, but spend hours playing with the box rather than what you bought them? How how do you make slow travel work with kids?
Slow Travel's Impact on Children
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Well, I think that slow travel with children is ah very, very good point because I think children are in school and education and they're learning through a multitude of different areas. I think that...
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taking your children to a different country and allowing them to be immersed in a new environment helps them learn through actually a real life experience. My family and I have just very recently had a little trip to Morocco.
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We knew where we were staying. We knew what was around the local area. And we kind of spoke about some activities and stuff that we might like to do, but it was very chilled because We wanted to take them to the local village. We wanted them to experience the local cuisine. We wanted them to meet the people in that village and and in that country. And we had the most incredible time.
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We were very fortunate that we got to experience something that was on my bucket list. Which was? We actually took them up to experience the sunrise in a hot air balloon going over the Atlas Mountains.
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Very nice. And it was just the most incredible experience to all have together. And we were sort of flying up high and, you know, my eldest daughter turned around to me and she was like, mummy, she's like, this really is a pinch me moment.
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And it was just so calm. It was so collected and it was just so... like heartwarming and lovely to spend that quality time with them. So I really think that going to a different country and experiencing that really gives our children, you know, our next generation, the the ability to learn through that.
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I mean, of course, if you're if you're doing... be like a Thailand multi-center or something through Asia that you're going to 50 million destinations then that's not really what we're that's a lot of work not just for the children but for you and I think you need to take a moment to think right okay what what are we going to experience here what do we want to do um What is it that we want to get out? What do we want our children to learn?
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And just by taking it right back and thinking, okay, is this enough time in this location? What's around there? um What can we experience? Not to have jam-packed days all day, every day. i mean,
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We always have the mentality of we get up in the morning, have a lovely breakfast, and then we'll go out and explore and maybe do something. Or maybe we'll just sit by the pool all day, whatever. But we like to go out and explore, maybe go and have a ah snack out or something, whatever.
Cultural Diversity in Travel
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And then, you know, just spend chill time in the afternoon. But at least you've been out, you've done something. It doesn't have to be regimented. It doesn't have to be on a right. It's one o'clock now. We've got to be here. I think it really is just paring it back. And again, kind of going back to that mind shift change.
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It's about being present. It's about being in that moment, not thinking, right, what's the next thing? Yes. When you talk about the multi-center holidays, I get the feeling that those are almost exist to collect destinations. You've been to a location, you've been to another location and you sail through it. And it's a bit like being on a business trip. yeah You see the airport, you see the taxi, you see the hotel, you see the office, and then you do it in reverse back to the airport.
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Whereas when you're doing slow travel, Yeah, you're going to a nice location. You're going to a location where you'll be able to do what it is that you want to do, but you're collecting experiences rather than destinations.
00:17:38
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Exactly, exactly. And I think, you know, these countries that we're now venturing to, i mean, one thing I always ask, especially, you know, for me, myself, it's important is how far am I willing to fly? Yes. Because, you know, the world is a very big place.
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Depending on how far you're willing to fly, depending on the amount of time that you have to spend in that one location, rather than filling it with stop, stop, stop, stop. It's like, right, okay, if you spent five days in one place, what is in your local area? I mean, you know it's like when people come to visit us in Wiltshire, I'm like, well, you know we've got loads of stuff on our doorstep.
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Yeah. I can't let you see the whole of Wiltshire, but i can I can certainly let you know what's in my local area. And I think that same kind of mentality needs to apply when you go to a new country.
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It's almost like, yeah, we're going to Australia, but you don't, well, you can now or will soon be able to fly directly from the UK to Australia. But it's what value do you derive from the stopovers that you might have? Exactly. Exactly.
00:18:42
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Absolutely. you'd Leave the airport, spend a couple of days yeah getting to know the place that you you're passing through. and add something to your holiday. I agree. Absolutely.
00:18:54
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Yes. Yes. And also I think, and if you are in, in one location, for an example, a Caribbean island, there's so many places to explore. If you've got two weeks, don't just stay in one hotel for two weeks, go and sample different parts of the island.
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but And that's just really where, where I come in and help people maximize the most out of their time whilst making sure it's not overwhelming. Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I've spent time in Jamaica, which is only a small island, but one of the larger Caribbean islands. Yes.
00:19:27
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You spend time on the coast. It's beautiful and it's fantastic. And the Jamaican people are marvelous. ah But you're on the coast and the coastal resorts tend to be very similar around the world.
00:19:40
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If you get a car, get a taxi, a hire a car and, or hire a car with a driver and go inland through the blue mountains to yeah Mandalay in the center,
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it's a completely different place to the coast and yet it's yeah it's a such a compact island but you get a completely different experience of that place you i'd made that journey i went past the spicy sauce factory i went which well sticks in the memory in many different ways i went past the yeah the bauxite because um Jamaica is very rich in minerals and there was like this bauxite mine and totally not what you expected to see on a Caribbean island.
00:20:28
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But you've also got the the mountains, you've got the farms, you've got the the forests, and then you appear in this really nice, relaxed town that you could spend a whole two weeks there.
00:20:42
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Yeah. Culture of the people. Yeah, absolutely. You're actually in the right yeah environment. Yeah. Those sorts things. And when you mentioned Morocco, it's one of my favorite places, but one my favorite ways to get there is to fly to Spain and then catch the ferry across the Straits of Gibraltar into Soutra, which is still Spain, and then cross from Soutra into
Alternative Transport Methods
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Morocco. And I could talk for hours about the border crossing experience. how nice was it that actually you got to to do that and to experience that because that's almost enriched your your experience of going to that country.
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You can fly into the airport and airports are fairly standard, but you fly to one place, Spain, and then cross on the ferry into Suta, which is Spain, but not Spain.
00:21:33
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It's very different. And then you make this land border crossing into Africa, into North Africa. And you Absolutely. But, you know, this is also another trend that I'm finding that's evolving. It's it's about those alternate transport options, because not everybody likes to fly. Options like trains, all of the rail journeys that we can now do.
00:21:57
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is is again ever evolving and also the caliber of the trains that we're able and you know that we have access to now the um the train line from london to to paris that's evolving there's going to be different destinations added and i just think it opens up a a different ball game because sometimes getting on a flight with children is is also stressful right yes um because it's making sure that they're really okay before you can sit down and relax and have your gin and tonic if that's what you like.
00:22:28
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But I think being able to take a train or or have that flexibility to drive in a country and be on your own timetable, this is really something that's becoming more prevalent now.
00:22:39
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Yes, I think now you can get on a train in London and travel by train all the way across Europe without it being an arduous journey.
00:22:50
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There is an element of yeah luxury in these trains. And the number of Orient Express type trains is also increasing yes and available in all sorts of different parts of the world from yes the India Pacific train that crosses Australia.
00:23:04
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Absolutely. Absolutely. in a straight line to the blue trains in Africa, the trains in Southeast Asia. ye um And because you can travel almost anywhere and it's ah very relaxing to travel by train.
00:23:19
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And as you said, the calibre of trains in Europe now, I mean, you know, you see some of these trains going through sort of the Swiss Alps and it's just absolutely breathtaking. You'd just come back from Morocco, but what is your next slow travel journey going to
Planning Multi-generational Trips
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be?
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It's in planning. i was very fortunate. I got to go and experience Mauritius on a work trip a couple of years ago, and I just completely fell in love with the island. So I'm planning a family trip, but we're also going to be taking my mum.
00:23:48
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She's just retired and I've always spoken very highly of Mauritius. I'm going go. I'm trying to piece together a holiday that will kind of suit all of us. and hope ah So you've got children, you've got children, you've got you and your husband, and then you've also got somebody who's just retired as well.
00:24:06
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And you're going to Mauritius. So I presume you'll be flying to Mauritius. Is it direct or will you be stopping over somewhere? Well, this is the thing. So I'm planning to stop over in Dubai for a couple of nights.
00:24:18
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Nice. I've been there a couple of times. Again, it's one of my favourite places to go. doesn't float everybody's boat, but I think, do you know what? There's so much there, but it's it's mega. It's big. It's bold. It's in your face. There are parts of Dubai that you can visit.
00:24:33
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For an example, we did a buy and then we went over to Fajera for a week, which was lovely. um And that was a very chilled beach vibe. But this time around, we're going to do Dubai for a couple of nights and then have a week in Mauritius.
00:24:48
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But the hotels out there and the people are just wonderful. My husband is an avid golfer, so he will be going off, I'm sure, and um experiencing the the golf courses out there.
00:25:00
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And um I'll be able to spend some time with the kids on my own. And then we can all group together in that kind of multi-generational family holiday, which is something that we're very keen to experience this year. And also for my mum as well, having just retired. So I think it'll be really nice for her.
00:25:17
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It sounds great. You're using your expertise as the holiday fixer to pull all that together. Absolutely. And also experiences from already already visiting the country. So there was so much I didn't really get to touch on. It was, you know, a very kind of quick overview of the country, but I ah completely fell in love with it. So I'm desperate to go back and let my children and my family experience it as well.
00:25:43
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It sounds like you know sometimes you come back from a holiday feeling as if you need another holiday to recover from the holiday because it's been so hectic. But the way in which you describe you so the slow travel makes you feel like, yeah, it's really just it's not just as physically slow, it's psychologically slow. And it's a great way to recharge your batteries. I hope you have a fantastic time in Mauritius.
00:26:08
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Oh, thank you, Michael. Yeah, well, I'll keep you posted. Thank you very much. Well, I do hope that you will come back again and tell us more about different options for travelling as part of our rest and recreation. but I'd absolutely love to. Thank you. Thank you very much. So it has been a pleasure then.
00:26:24
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It's been an absolute pleasure. And please, thank you very much and really do appreciate you spending some time with me today. It's been great. Thank you. Thank you, Michael. Thank you. Thank you. i am Michael Millward, Managing Director of Abbasida.
00:26:39
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In this episode of Rest and Recreation, I have been having a conversation with Gemma Perry from theholidayfixer.com. You can find out more about both of us abeceda.co.uk.
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Until the next episode of Rest and Recreation, thank you for listening and goodbye.