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Podcasting from Hobby to Service - a conversation with podcaster Dan Swift
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Dan Swift is a successful IT professional with a serious career with a large organisation.
When Dan goes home, in addition to being a committed family man Dan is also the host of the hit podcast Time to Discuss.
In this episode of the Abeceder work life balance podcast Rest and Recreation Dan Swift explains to host Michael Millward how the podcast Time to Discuss was created.
Dan explains how the job-hunting experiences of family members motivated him to create a podcast on that focuses on providing genuine careers advice.
Michael and Dan discuss the differences between how entertainment and sports stars like Brad Pitt and Shelley Winters manage their careers with a clear aim of the type of career and lifestyle they want to have. and how people with more conventional careers manage theirs.
They discuss how what you do away from work for rest and recreation can impact your ability to develop your career.
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Introduction & Guest Overview
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made on Zencastr. Hello and welcome to Rest and Recreation, the work-life balance podcast from Abysida. I am your host, Michael Middleward, the managing director of Abysida.
Zencastr Promotion
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Today, I'm going to be talking to another podcaster, Dan Swift, who's going to be telling me about his creative journey and the podcast that he now creates. As the jingle at the start of this podcast says, rest and recreation is made on Zencastr.
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00:01:05
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Meet Dan Swift: Career & Podcasting Journey
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Very importantly, on Rest and Recreation we don't tell you what to think, but we do hope to make you think.
00:01:19
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Today my guest is Dan Swift. Dan is what we used to call in the internet industry a webmaster managing the whole web presence of his the company that he works for.
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He is based in Pennsylvania, part of the United States that I have not yet visited. But when I do go, i will be sure to make my travel arrangements at the Ultimate Travel Club, because that is where I get trade prices on trains, flights, hotels and holidays, as well as all sorts of other travel-related purchases.
00:01:55
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You can access those same trade prices by becoming a member. using the link in the description which has a built-in discount now that i've paid the rent it is time to make an episode of rest and recreation hello dan michael hello thank you for having me today it's great to have you i really do appreciate the time that you're making available and nice to meet a fellow podcaster oh likewise how did you become a podcaster you know what's the journey that dan swift has been on
00:02:27
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Okay, so it's it's a bit of ah a bit of a long story. Well, first, Very, very briefly got my feet wet with podcasting. Back in the early 2000s, I was working as a freelance web designer, web developer for a ah horse a horse park, like a horse organization.
00:02:44
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And I met someone through there and they talked about podcasting this new thing. And I very briefly, briefly got involved. We recorded two episodes and then that was the end of it. And this was early 2000s. This is like maybe 2000, you know, 2004, 2005, something like that.
00:02:59
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Fast forward to the pandemic. Essentially, my my wife decided she needed to leave her job. She was no longer passionate about what she was doing and she felt a greater calling to do something else, um something where she could make a difference.
00:03:14
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She was trying to find a way to get her skills transferable to any new career. And she went, she found like a um career counselor and she took these tests to find out what she would be most suited for and that sort of thing.
00:03:26
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I was really excited. think selfishly, think obviously i think i was more excited than she was because I'm thinking, you know, I remember taking these tests in high school and it's like, you know, You could be a construction worker or a yeah ah manager or something like that. But I'm thinking here 2020, we have all kinds of other great opportunities available. you know We have people that are doing commercial drone flying. you have people that are doing you know they're creating mobile apps and stuff like that. So I'm thinking like, even though that's outside of her world, I feel like there's got to great opportunities there for her. So she goes ahead, she takes this test and she gets the results.
Podcast Focus & Branding
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And Michael, the results at the top, airline pilot. flight attendant, military officer. And we were so disappointed, so disappointed I thought that there has to be other stuff out there. There has to be some kind of resource out there.
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This day and age, all the data that gets collected about everyone, there's gotta to be information about different different opportunities that are available for careers. I could not find anything remotely helpful.
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I said that I've always had a very business kind of mindset. And I said to my wife, I'm thinking about creating this thing, but I'm not sure because I think this would be a good opportunity. And she said, okay, well, if you if you think it's a good idea, like go ahead, that's fine.
00:04:44
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And this is um this is in the fall. And I continue to to ponder about it. Right around the end of the calendar year, I have another conversation with her. And I say, listen, I'm thinking again about this.
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I think I really want to give this a try. And she said, okay, go ahead. You want to do it? Make it happen. So I said, all right, I'm going to make it happen. So the podcast is all about career discovery, career exploration, talking with real professionals, finding what it's really like working in different industries, um how people can get to that point of a particular career or how people can pivot, leverage the skills they already have and get into that career.
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So it's that's what it's all about in a nutshell. And that's how I got involved. Sounds great. What is the podcast called? Sure. The podcast name is called a Time We Discuss.
00:05:32
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Looking back, i kind of wish I had given it a different name, honestly, um because in my head, it was all about branding and marketing. And then the slogan is time we discuss whatever the career is.
00:05:43
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But I learned after the fact that YouTube doesn't care much about branding so much. When you're just starting out, branding is very important, don't get me wrong. But when you're just starting out, nobody knows you from Adam.
00:05:56
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You know, the brand, it's its it needs to be more about what you're actually doing so people can start to find you. And that was my big mistake. I think if I were going to do this again, i would have called it like the career day podcast or something
Podcast Management & Skills
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like that. Something more relevant in sound to what it actually is.
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Is it too late to change it? I think it is definitely too late to change. Right. How many episodes have you published now? Sure. At present, we have, i believe, 125 episodes have dropped.
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I've recorded roughly 140. So i have about 15 that are ready to go. But it's, ah yeah, 125 are published. Right. And how often do you publish it?
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ah I started out once a week and then we switched. I switched to twice. now six, six a month. And then there's a period of time I was doing two a week. And I did that for about six months.
00:06:46
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I decided i got to stop doing this. So I dropped it back down to once a week. So I've been doing that for since to April of this year, since April 25, I've been dropping that once a month.
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That's because there's a lot of work involved in being a podcast host, isn't there? Yes, there is. And what happened was I put a call out for talent and I got such an influx.
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And I was like, well, I can't let these people get away from me. I got it i gotta to get them while they're interested. And that was my mistake in a way, in a way, um because it forced me to record all of these people. At one point in time, I had like a backlog of like 40 people recorded or something crazy like that.
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And then i had to go and start producing. But ah but that was that was one mistake I made was that call out and accepting everyone cause i wanted to grow so fast. Yes. Yeah. Because there are various different ways in which you can find the guests.
00:07:34
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One of them is places like matchmaker.fm, which is a a direct An online directory of hosts and guests and matches people up and you can match yourself.
00:07:46
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There are other types of similar matching services. You can get yourself an agent who will try and find the right podcast for you. You can subscribe to lists of podcasts and you'll get information about what it is that they're looking for in terms of guests as well. and You can do your own searching around. The podcast that you listen to might be the one that you should be appearing on.
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um It's all sorts of various different things. But although it's great that people want to be on your show, it also creates a ah problem of organized planning the recording.
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doing the recording, editing the recording so that everything flows in the way that you want it to, and then organizing all of the write-up, the image, the publicity material, all the different posts you have to put on all the different networks. It all takes time.
00:08:39
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And you've still got a full-time job. I do. I'm nodding over here.
00:08:47
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100 and plus episodes in, you know, Dan, you have to learn one of the two things. they yeah The nodding doesn't work on radio. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. So actually related to that, so i when with episodes drop on YouTube, they include video. But everywhere else, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, all of those, it's audio only. yeah But you're absolutely right. Nodding does not work in radio. No, no, no, definitely not.
00:09:09
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But there's all sorts of other things that don't work on radio as well. and one the things that I put into our guest guide is things about verbal punctuation, for example, where people say um and ah and put words in link what should be separate sentences. And the you you hear it more when you are producing the program than you may perhaps listening to it or listening to it in a face-to-face type conversation.
00:09:40
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That is so true. And I remember speaking with Michael Hinkson. He is a professional keynote speaker. He is a survivor from 9-11 when the towers got hit.
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And um we were talking about that very thing. And i said, one of the things he said was that when you are when you're listening to yourself, you should always listen to yourself when you're doing when you're doing some kind of speaking engagement, because it gives you an opportunity to learn from what you're saying and how you can improve yourself.
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And I said that when I'm doing my recordings, I have listen back, I hear all those uh's and um's and stuff like that. And he said, you know, that's okay. As long as you're aware it, though, you don't have to change it. But if you're aware of it, and you want to change it, it's there for you to change. and I thought that's that's a very interesting
Career Insights & Market Trends
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point. I like that.
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Yes, very much so. it Sometimes the um, the are is a positive signal that someone is thinking about what they're about to say. And sometimes it feels as if they're filling time, filling space, filling the silence with a noise whilst they wonder what they're going to say.
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And the thinking about it is like, you know what you're going to say, you're thinking about how you structure it. And the wondering is where, what am I going to say? What am I going to say? Yeah, it's interesting, too, that some people, you know, they will kind of start to slow down a little bit what they're saying and can tell their they're kind of starting to think about what they're going to say next. And they kind of dodge the whole, um ah but they're able to do that or just insert a little bit of silence and then continue on with their thought. There's nothing wrong with the silence in many ways. I think, I think seeing interviewers use it very cleverly.
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If you don't respond when the person you're talking to is expecting you to respond, they will carry on saying something else because they subconsciously don't feel as if you've received the answer that you're looking for.
00:11:32
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Yes. Yes. yeah And you don't always necessarily need to have the answer that you're looking for. What you need is the the honest, correct answer, not necessarily the answer that you're looking for.
00:11:45
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Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So what type of guests have you had on on your program that time to discuss? I've had many. I've had a lot of authors.
00:11:57
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I've had a number of coaches. I've had some very unique people. i had an astrology reader. I had a magician. I had a board game writer.
00:12:09
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I've had two comedians, a police officer. I had a patent agent, which is one of the coolest ones, I thought. That's actually done very well as far as listens and views has gone. People are very interested in it I thought patents would be interested in that. I mean, you know obviously there's a market for everyone.
00:12:25
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But it's not the most glamorous one. I had a a talent agent and I thought a talent agent, that's that's incredible. like I think a lot of people would be interested in that. And it didn't do nearly as well as some of the other other episodes I had.
00:12:39
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So I've had a lot of really, really interesting people um in the future. um So when this, when this episode drops, I will have a tarot card reader that will be up and coming.
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I will have a wine expert that'll be up and coming at the end of June, which will be in the past from, ah from when this drops, I have an ice cream scientist. So I have a lot of really, really interesting people and a lot of jobs and careers that people might not even know are viable options.
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lot of great stuff. Yes, this is one of the things that, you if you think back to the day that you were born, regardless of how old you were, your career options now that you're leaving high school, college, university are completely different to the career options that someone had on the day that you were born.
00:13:29
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Just my opinion, but I think the world is changing so quickly. And with my HR professionals hat on, I can look back and think that, okay, who 25, 30 years ago, 40 years ago would have thought about people that were installing...
00:13:46
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wind power or solar power generation on the level that they are or people that installed home-based security cameras on the level that they do or the number of people who are now involved in providing super fast broadband connections no one would have thought about that back in the day Yeah, absolutely true. And I remember when i was but I was going to university, I remember that one of my professors gave a statistic. And I don't remember exactly what it was.
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But it was, generally speaking, it was a high number. So i want to say maybe, I'm going to just throw a number, let's say 60%. And it was that 60% of the jobs that you will end up in haven't even been created yet.
00:14:24
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The jobs don't exist yet. And I thought that was really, really cool. And that as even though I can't remember the number, the concept has stuck with me. I think that the world of work is changing very, very quickly.
00:14:36
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The fact that people are at university, college, or even high school entering the workforce nowadays is more difficult because a lot of the entry-level jobs no longer exist. They've been automated and they were being automated long before artificial intelligence arrived.
00:14:56
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When I started work, which I won't tell you when, but We would have all sorts of filing cabinets full of all sorts of documents, but everything had to be documented so that you've got a history of what employees have done. And um don't necessarily mean just bad things. I mean, celebrating all the successes that employees got, all the skills that they developed.
00:15:19
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And you'd spend days going through them to find the people with the right skills for a particular project. Yes. That's of course is all automated, but that therefore means that, you know as a so college leaver, that job no longer exists. So what is it you're going to do?
00:15:35
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think programs like your own are ones which are giving people more information about how to progress a career in a chosen career area rather than just, oh I need a job.
00:15:49
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And then The career progression comes for so many people by accident. If you want to finish your career in a particular place, in a particular organization, with a particular title or doing specific things in your daily working job, you have to work out how you're going to get there, what you are going to need to do in order to build the knowledge and the experience and the skills to get you into that job that is your lifestyle, career, ambition.
00:16:20
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That's so true. And what I'm hearing too from a lot of different people, it's not just the skill, but also the soft skills, you know, being the person to raise your hand and say, yes, I will do that. i don't know how to do it but I will learn and figure out how to do that for the betterment of myself and the organization.
00:16:32
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I can't tell you how many times people have said that. And just the ability to naturally communicate with people effectively and being pleasant to work with. There's so many other soft skills that arguably takes on farther along their career path than having the specific knowledge skills.
00:16:50
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You know, I like to say, generally speaking, anyone can learn anything, but it's those soft skills that really make people want to work with you. I think anyone is capable of learning everything.
00:17:04
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at their own pace in their own way ah but you have to want to do it that's one of the key things you have to want to do it and sometimes i think there are people who could but haven't actually worked out what they want they haven't answered the question for themselves about Okay, my manager, my employer is asking for people to do a particular task and they haven't answered for themselves, well, what's in it for me?
00:17:31
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Why do I want to do that? How does that add to my career? They don't know the answer to those questions because people allow their careers to drift. Yes, absolutely. We all need a plan.
00:17:43
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Before we started recording this, we were so like we were discussing ah the things that happened as a result of our various podcasting experiences. and i mentioned that I had had a very, very small part in a feature film as a result of um being a podcaster, someone wanted my voice in the film.
00:18:02
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And I mentioned that I am the same height as Brad Pitt. And that's where the similarity ends. But if you are an actor or a sports person, your career will be managed by your agent.
00:18:15
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So if you look at Mr. Pitt's career, He was in Thelma and Louise. He'd been in other sorts of things, but Thelma and Louise was his like breakout. Who is this guy? So his manager,
00:18:27
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agent who I think is one of the big Hollywood agency brands said okay we can put you into lots of films where you'll replicate that same role and your career might last 10 years if you're lucky type of thing or we then start putting you into different types of films and demonstrate your talent and your versatility which makes you more attractive to a wider range of directors and film projects and you end up with a career that will last your whole life and it's very easy to sort of say, well, that's what happens to film stars, but actually it's what should be happening to you. You may not have an agent, but you have to make that decision about, okay, where do I want to be when I retire?
00:19:11
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What are the steps that I have to take in order to make sure that I do that? It may not always be taking the most glamorous or exciting step. It may be that you have to move sideways in some situations in order to then move on oh in different areas.
00:19:28
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That's absolutely true. Absolutely. And it's interesting you said that too about having the agent. I'm going to hang on that for a second. You know, i was speaking with Mike Fomkin. He is with VIP Ignite. um He was the talent agent that i referenced earlier.
00:19:40
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And he said a very simple thing that you said is that, you know, when everyone wants to be the big star, you know, they want to be the the face of whatever. And he said, actually, the most successful people are the ones they jump from show to show. They jump from movie to movie and you see them, you recognize them. You might not know their name, but you recognize them. he says, he said, those are the people that are having the most success.
00:19:59
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Because they're they're able to navigate all around that landscape and they're not necessarily tied into, you know, one spot and, you know, maybe there is this site that they're tied up in a scandal and they're one and done kind of a thing.
00:20:12
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um These other people, whereas they have the fluidity to move around, that's what you want. The first person that I heard talking about that type of thing, no, you don't necessarily need to be the biggest star.
00:20:23
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You can have a successful career as the number two was Shelley Winters. And she telling me, she wasn't telling me, she was telling an interviewer that obviously she was great friends with Marilyn Monroe, but she set out at the start of her career not to become the star, but to be a star with the ability to move around and do all sorts of different things.
00:20:44
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which when television came along meant that she could be on TV without people thinking, oh, how the mighty are fallen, this big star on TV. Yeah, I nothing after that. to that
00:21:00
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Yeah, but it's true. you don't, you know, you don't not need to rise all the way to the top to be, have a successful career. And when we talk about the top, we talk about managerial positions. You can become a subject expert, the person that people go to for advice, for information.
00:21:17
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And that doesn't necessarily always mean that you have to be in a, in an office environment. If you are working on a building site and you are the best bricklayer or the best joiner, the best carpenter,
00:21:29
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you You will undoubtedly be paid more than someone who isn't quite as good as you. But you are focused on developing skills and knowledge and expertise, which means you are the go to person who can get the jobs done quickly to a very high standard and people
Creative Passions & Work-Life Balance
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will want you. Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:21:46
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And I will add to that, too, you know being a leader among a team. it's kind of cool, especially in a creative field. you know when i was So I started out as a web developer, and when I was doing that, I had the opportunity to take on really cool and creative projects.
00:21:58
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And as I as i yeah advanced in my career, I led a team, and now I get to like take on even bigger projects and even more creativity happens.
00:22:09
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And that's for one thing, for me, that's one really, really cool thing, that now I can also leverage other people's skills to create even cooler even more creative projects Yes.
00:22:20
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And yet we're both talking about podcasting with an awful lot of enthusiasm, but for neither of us is it our main source of income or our main job. It's something that we do because it adds to ah other activities, but you especially, it's it's part of a hobby. It's not part of your job. It's a side gig, isn't it? that But it's not a revenue job. It's ah ah you're You're adding value into the world by the quality and diversity of the content that you're creating. That is absolutely correct, yep.
00:22:58
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yeah how does Yeah, it's a hobby. How many hours a week do you spend on Too many hours. Michael, when I first started doing this, I thought you know one, two hours a week would be plenty.
00:23:11
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you know You record the people, you edit it you post it, no problem. I don't even know how many hours i drop a week doing this, but it's definitely definitely more time intensive than I thought it would be.
00:23:25
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um I've created a lot put a lot of processes in place that make it a lot easier. um but But it is it is a much greater time sink than I originally anticipated.
00:23:39
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um yeah Yes. So why do you keep on doing it? I enjoy it. enjoy being able find these people and hearing people's stories.
00:23:50
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Michael, there are so many amazing stories out there. um When... I spoke to, um, Dallin, Dallin Hussow, I think is his name.
00:24:01
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He, um, started his own pool cleaning company. And he started out by saying that he, he started out with a net, a brush and no money.
00:24:12
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And I absolutely love that. Cause it says that you don't need to have a lot of money to start a business. You can do whatever you want. The opportunities are there. um I spoke with Ashley, she's from a Dash of Social, and I've referenced her a lot because her story is so powerful.
00:24:33
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um She started her own social media company while she was in college, while her mom was diagnosed with a terminal illness. So she's like balancing the social life of being at a university, studying, taking care of her parents, and also trying to to work on this business that she started.
00:24:50
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And you hear these people and they're so inspiring. um And even if you don't want to change careers, even if you're happy with your career, just the stories, how people overcome adversity, it's just really, really amazing. Such such incredible, incredible stories out there.
00:25:07
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And I think that's why I do it. I just like hearing the stories and I get to help people. And I've said before to a couple of different guests on my show, I said, you know, if I help just one person, if I help just one person, to me, it is completely worth it.
00:25:22
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It's a very nice thing to to be able to feel if i help one person, but still but helping that one person takes an awful lot of effort, an awful lot of hard work and an awful lot of time.
00:25:33
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it It really does. it really does. But for me, I just keep my eye on the end result. you know As long as I'm able to keep everything balanced, as long as I'm not sacrificing my full-time job, as long as I'm not sacrificing my family life, as long as I'm not sacrificing my physical or mental health,
00:25:50
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You know, for me, it's ah and and Michael, that's why I scaled back from twice a week to once a week, because I realized this was too much. It's not sustainable. I'm not getting the quality. I'm not producing the quality that I want to produce.
00:26:03
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And it was time for me to back off. And that's what I did. And if things happen to, know, my life gets more chaotic and my life requires more out of me and I need to back off. I certainly will. But I can imagine me dropping it down to once every other week or once a month if I had to.
00:26:19
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But for now, I can still do once a week. And I'm super happy to do that. I get to speak to a lot of amazing people all over the world, hear are a bunch of really, really great stories and share all those with other people.
00:26:32
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I agree with you. It's exactly the same sort of reasons as I do it. I enjoy it. I hope that we're adding value. The feedback that we get suggests that we are, but it's worth the input in order to get the output in those sorts of ways.
00:26:47
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you know ah really But I think what I'm taking from listening to you, and we should always aim to learn something from everyone that we talk to, I suppose, uh is that this element of it's important it's valuable i enjoy it but i know where it sits in the priorities of life know i know that family will come before podcast and i know that day job the source of income that helps support the family will come before podcast that's absolutely true and that that's one thing i said to my wife when when i started doing this i said
00:27:21
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I never want, because when it comes to podcasting, you'll hear people say this is you need to be consistent. Whether you're dropping an episode once a week or once a month or whatever it is, you're supposed to be consistent. Everybody says that.
00:27:32
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And I said to my wife, I said, this is what my expectation is on myself. However, i will not let this a interview interfere with family stuff. I will not let it interfere with family gatherings or birthdays or graduations or anything like that. That will not happen.
00:27:47
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And I've been very good about that. I might have to shift other things around. and I might have some early mornings. I might have some late nights. I might have some long days, but I make sure that my priorities are right where they should be, just like you're saying.
00:28:01
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Yes.
Conclusion & Gratitude
00:28:02
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Yes. I probably can become an obsession, but yeah it's it's always important to make sure that your priorities are in the right place and in the right order. Absolutely.
00:28:15
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yeah Dan, I have so enjoyed meeting a fellow podcaster and learning about your podcast, what you do, and feeling the similarities between us, even though we are thousands of miles apart.
00:28:30
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and doing different things is the similarities of experience and understanding this way with priorities and where the podcasting sits within life and work. And I really do appreciate your time today. It's been great. Thank you very much. Absolutely, Michael. Thanks for having me. I really appreciate sharing my story.
00:28:50
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den Thank you. I am Michael Millward, the Managing Director of Abbasida, and in this episode of Rest and Recreation, I have been having a conversation with the musician and fellow podcaster Dan Swift.
00:29:06
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You can find out more about both of us at abbasida.co.uk. There is a link in the description. I'm sure you will have enjoyed this episode of Rest and Recreation as much as Dan and I have enjoyed making it.
00:29:18
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00:29:35
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Until the next episode of Rest and Recreation, thank you for listening and goodbye.