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Bonus Episode: Top 5 Women in RPGs
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For International Women's Day & Women's History Month, Poly and Kj give their list of top 5 women in RPGs. Come see which women they chose to highlight as their favorite across all the RPGs they've played.
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Transcript
Introduction to Turn Based Tangents
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Speaker
All right, so welcome everybody to another episode of turn based tangents. Obviously I'm KJ joined by Polly. Hi. Hey, you said something this time. We're actually doing something a little different. I think we're going to try to like
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at least do something like this or like some kind of like, like have some kind of the themes to what we're doing. So yeah,
Highlighting Favorite Female RPG Characters
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we're actually going to be doing this episode as sort of like a
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tribute or honoring both Women's History Month as well as International Women's Day. So we're actually going to be talking about our five favorite women characters in RPGs. So yeah, be good. Shining some light on some awesome badass ladies because I feel like there's not enough spotlight on them sometimes.
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Very, very
Challenges in Finding Female RPG Protagonists
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true. Also, it'll hopefully like if this ever if this podcast ever got big, we could like show it to various RPG game devs and be like, yo, rather than like rather than doing this as like a characters, we'd love to be able to do this as protagonists like main characters of games. So I feel like that's that's one thing that is is really difficult to see is like the diversity in
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in like leads and like protagonists isn't really there. And I think like, yeah, our list would have been infinitely harder if we, we stuck to only women protagonists and RPGs because there's, there's not as many out there and there's a lot few choices that way. And sometimes they also kind of defaulted. So some of them tend to default to, to the very end of these two, like, I feel like what ends up happening is there are.
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They're in almost every case, every case that I can think of. And honestly, most of my characters do have their own game. However,
Co-lead Characters in RPGs
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it's one of those situations where I think a lot of characters, there's like one that I can think of immediately is a game we recently played, Star Ocean 6, where there's a man and a woman that are
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considered like kind of co-main characters, right? You get something very similar like that in like Final Fantasy X sort of. Also with like Final Fantasy VI, you get that vibe. So there's a ton of games that kind of have that sort of
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You could say they're like a co. Yeah, like you
Critiques of Final Fantasy's Portrayal of Women
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could even argue sometimes in some games that the the plot centers a little bit more around maybe the woman lead over the man lead. So you could even argue that they think. But because they it's almost it feels like they're like, oh, but we but we have to have both or we have to have a man. I mean, and you can kind of. Yeah, you're 100 percent right. I think Final Fantasy does that a lot. Right. Oh, yeah. They're thinking about six.
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eight, nine, ten, where it's like the the lead. The story is like told through the eyes of the male character. But then you have.
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your woman lead that's basically like the stories about her, right? So. Yeah. Yeah. Where we could have easily had them as a main character, but they just didn't want to take that leap. And then when they did make that leave, they made the character so less interesting than any of the others. Like,
Advocating for Female Leads in RPGs
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for example, Final Fantasy 13, where they did branch out to that,
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But then they made the main lead woman kind of like she's kind of a mix between two. And I find it takes the three games to kind of really appreciate her, which it's like when you have to take three games to do it, it starts to stretch it a little bit.
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for me. So it's just like,
Creating Top Female RPG Character Lists
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but when you get the attention of like, you know, in Final Fantasy 7, like Cloud has that attention, Zach has that attention to Crisis Core, like, you know, like they immediately go either, you know, you either bond with them
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you're like okay they're a character but maybe they're not your favorite but you you respect it but with with Final Fantasy 13 it took three games to get over that so like it's one of those things where I just I wish and I'm glad that we're releasing this too on International Women's Day too because it's so important to say hey women can be just as badass as men and they deserve like
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They deserve their spotlight where they do not need to be cushioned by, for example, you know, a man being being co-lead, for example. So like, you know, and some of some of my list is not they're not the protagonist, but they. They could have been super interesting, right? So yeah, my list is is sort of similar. My list is. Four characters that have
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excuse me, that had their own game, one of them that was sort of like a co-lead and one of them appears in multiple games. OK. And one of them that was like. Not exactly a co-lead, but the story kind of ended up being surrounded, like ended up being her story in a sense. So, yeah, I think that's that's definitely
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It's interesting, I'm curious. Do you have any characters from games that we've played on the podcast? Ooh, for the podcast? Yeah, that we played for the podcast.
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I'm kind of like switching it up. I want to throw a
KJ’s Top Five Female RPG Characters
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curveball here. I want to give, I want to, I'm trying to pull out a little bit of information here just to see that the listeners can sort of go. No, I don't think so. Ooh, I do. Oh, you have fun for one of the podcasts, okay. I do. Ooh, interesting. Oh, I think I know who it is. I think I could guess it, but I don't want to like guess it and I won't spoil it.
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But I just realized my number five technically doesn't count so I just had to quickly redo my number five because I forgot that they are, they, this is what's really interesting is that why it took me for my list and then I got really excited because I put this character on the on there but then I realized oh they were trying not to have them
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They weren't identifying as a woman. So it's like I feel like I shouldn't hold on the list for that reason But it also shows that like I mean even having like, you know non-binary Representation is like I'm thinking about it. I'm like I would really struggle to write a list of that unfortunately because they're so little so yeah, I had to I
Polly’s Top Five Female RPG Characters
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had to remove one just as we're talking because I was like
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Shoot yes, right because it right that I was like, all right. All right. Can't can't do that. So, okay. I pivoted but no I Of all the podcast games. Yeah. No, I don't. Oh, okay Interesting I just want to I just want it to be known that When we were prepping for this We were talking and I was like, oh I
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I don't have my list yet. And Polly proceeded to ask me for 10 honorable mentions. I just want y'all to know. And I will say going forward, we're gonna, at least for the, I think for the shorter lists especially, we're gonna try to kind of cut out the honorable mention just cause it's like, it ends up kind of dragging things on a bit longer. So we're just gonna, we're trying to get concrete,
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If it's a top 10, this is our top 10. If the top five, this is our top five, so.
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Yeah, exactly. And I was teasing him because I was like, I wrote this big long list of women characters that I really like. And I like them for all various, very different reasons. So picking my top five also had a little bit to do with
Reflecting on Character Choices
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I didn't want to spoil KJ on one of them because the reason why I put them on the list is entirely based in the story and it spoils the game.
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What game that is? Yeah, it was it was actually a character from Shadow Hearts, so. Oh, but it spoils it spoils both games, which I want you to go through because I go as blind as possible because the story is actually what really pulls you through that game is just how unique they did it. So I had to like take I had to take her off because I'm like, OK, because this is just going to be this is a big spoiler.
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But I kind of like who I just replaced from the other one I was talking about who technically identifies as non-binary, so I don't want to put them on there because I feel like that's not fair. I mean, they are technically gender-fluid stuff, but again, I think it's respectful to just leave that up.
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But the one I put in its place is actually, I mean, it is, okay, nevermind. I want to talk. Yes, I had a really long list and it was very hard for me to narrow it down, but I did it and I don't have any honorable mentions this time. I'm pretty proud of you. Oh my goodness.
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OK, so do you want to do your list first? So we're going to try something different this time. And then we're going to ask all of you, our listeners, which do you prefer? Which if you prefer us to go back and forth where I say one and KJ says one and back and forth, or do you prefer us to do it all in one go where it's all of KJ's and all of mine? And then with us chiming in as we as we reveal. So we're going to try
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for this episode, we're gonna try where we say all five of our characters and we'll kind of, you know, explain our reasoning as we go through and the other one could chime in. And then when they get through the top five of them, and then we switch over to whoever's next and finish it that way. So let us know if you like that better, if you find the flow better, if you like the back and forth instead, definitely, definitely let us know.
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All right. Yeah, I can
Promoting I Am Setsuna
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kick us off. So this is this is actually really this. The order of this was really tough because I think I have quite a few. So my top three was easy in the sense that like I have three three characters that they are like arguably my favorite characters in this other than one of them, like my favorite characters in the series.
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Okay. Um, but I think, and it's funny that I was struggling to like think of characters while I was working today. And then Pete names are just popping into my head now. Um,
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It just takes thinking about the RPGs and stuff you play. Because now that you've set the podcast, I was like, oh, no, I could have. There's two characters I could think of off the top of my head that I could have added in there, too. And I was like, dang it. Well, it's funny. It's funny, too, because you omitted a character because of
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because I haven't played a game. There's one character, my favorite character in Lost Odyssey is actually what would have been on my list now that I think about it. Oh, and it's because I'm literally playing that. You're playing that game soon. Yeah, so that's fine.
Episode Conclusion and Feedback
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And it's kind of cool because we could do this every year for International Women's Day. We're always playing new games and things are changing. Like, yeah, we totally could. Exactly. And see and reflect if any of them stay the same, if any of them change, if we want to highlight anybody else. Yeah, because we're going to go through a whole year of games, both on stream and for this podcast. So I'm really excited to revisit this every year as a fun tradition and just kind of highlight the women in gaming
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uh our women characters in gaming and stuff like that so so especially for jrpgs where i find that a little bit lacking like i i kept thinking of powerful women i wanted to put on the list but they weren't rpg games i was like oh laura craft no that's not an rpg yeah i thought of i thought of like aloy from uh horizon zero dawn like the horizon series but like that's not an rpg it's it's more of an action adventure game it has some rpg elements but
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Yeah, no, exactly. So it's like, and even if you would have like argued, like, if you were going to go for more like action RPG versus turn based RPG, even still like, yeah, there's so many where I'm just like, nope, that's not on.
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Yeah. But anyway, I've interrupted you long enough. Shall you start with your number five? Okay, yes. So my number five is actually Lynn from Fire Emblem seven. So okay, fine. I'm interested. Yeah, I really enjoyed I really enjoyed Lynn's character. She's probably my second favorite character in
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Fire Emblem 7, I would say. But absolutely fantastic. On top of the fact that she's just a very good unit in the game, the way that that game is structured, you get to play basically her entire story.
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nine or 10 chapters. I might be off on that. It might be eight. I don't know. It's like, yeah, the first X chapters are the tutorial, but it's also like her story. I think it's first 10 actually. I think it is the first 10 chapters or her story. You get to see how she interacts with all of different party members that you're coming together with. You get to see her like
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camaraderie with all of them. You also get to get kind of like a family aspect with some of the events that happened in the game for her. And you also, you get to see like, she's very proud of like where she's from and like, she's just a powerful character. And just has a very strong, you will see
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For me, like a very strong moral compass coming out definitely is like one of the biggest things in this game in games for me and for characters. So Lynn was definitely one of those characters that I was like, yo, I absolutely, absolutely like love this character. She's honestly one of the things that like really pulled me in. So that was only my I think that was the second fire emblem I played.
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Um, so second or third, so like.
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When I was playing that, I was like, oh, this is cool. I like this character. Because it was a little bit of a shell shock going from the 3DS games to the Game Boy Advance games. But I was like, oh, OK. And yeah, I absolutely, absolutely loved her character. And again, she was a sword. She willed a sword. She also willed a bow. She's such a cool character. I also love her design.
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And yeah, I just I really thought Lynn was was really awesome. And so I was thinking and I was like, who would be on this list? And I'm just like running through all of my favorite games. And I was like, no, Lynn, Lynn's got to be here because she is one of like like every Fire Emblem game has like what they call Lord characters. So those are like the main characters. And she is one of the Lord characters. So.
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Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah. So even though the story isn't necessarily like hers alone, she is still one of like the main characters in the game. So, um, so yeah. So from one bad-ass green haired, uh, character to another dangling these fire emblem characters in front of me, being like, eh,
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I was like, I'm about to get into a different character. It's not even from Fire Emblem. Okay, but you started with a Fire Emblem character. I did start with a Fire Emblem character, yes. But my next character is Fina from Grandia.
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When you said they were somebody for the podcast, I was like, okay, it's gotta be Fina because I said she was a complete badass. Okay, so yes, but I will say if this was a top 10 list, I think Marielle might have made the list. Really? Like I thought she was a pretty fucking dope character, but anyway,
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gonna completely like, again, I look at like, Fina as a character, and she was just like, the story was very much centered around her, in a sense, even though like, it was about Justin's adventure, but like,
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it was it was great because she was she was the experienced adventurer like she was the one that was kind of like pushing him even though he was very oblivious and didn't realize it was yeah so it was like she was kind of pushing it was it was awesome because you got to see Fina push
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Justin, even though he was technically the main character and was in your party the entire game, you get to see her push him. And I don't love the way the game went in terms of end of the game kind of things, because I think it definitely part of it took away from how powerful of a character she was, even in a lighthearted story. Yeah, they kind of put her into the damsel in distress sort of trope. Yeah, they put into the damsel in distress trope, exactly. And I didn't like that.
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But as a character, I think she was very well written. I think she did embody this strong, strong presence and like, and that showed not only in the conversations that were had and like how she carried herself, but also in just like
00:19:10
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how things were in battle also. She was a very good character in battle as well. And I think it's just one of those things where you look at it and you're like, okay, these characters, you have a complete character. And that I think is awesome because you don't often get that unless it's the main character. I feel like there's always kind of like,
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It's always very obvious who the main character is. But with Grandia 1, they did such a great job with Fina that you could argue she's like co-lead. Yeah, exactly. Because she's so complete. Which is not something it's funny. Dang, I should have put her on my list. Okay, well. It's not something that I thought about until after the fact.
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Right? Like, it's not something that I thought about until after the fact. And then I was like, oh, okay.
00:20:06
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That is definitely something that's worth highlighting. But yeah, so Fina would be number four for me. Again, I think Fina was great. One of my favorite characters in that game. She was absolutely fantastic. She's one of the only ones where I'm just like, I wish they didn't go into the over-sexualization of her a little bit because I'm like, I want a cross-flater. But then I thought about it. I'm like, I'd just make her top longer than that. There we go.
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There you go. But, but yeah, she was, she was a badass. I'm, I'm, I'm a little disappointed in myself that when I was going through my list, I, I was thinking a lot of other kind of, you'll see when my list comes out, you're just like, Oh, I know where Polly's brain went.
00:20:49
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Okay, but but I'm glad that you highlighted her because she you're bright. She was just such a Great co-lead and I'm gonna argue that that she was because there's just so much plot stuff happened around her and you know And she really pushed Justin to be the the the man he ended up becoming a lot because of her So yeah, so so who's who's the middle who's never three for you? This one was tough and Who's right in the middle for Katie I could have
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three number ones I would It's really close for me that's that's more what it is okay so one two three are all like yeah one two and three are all really close I think they are like that with me too to be perfectly honest and so it's it's unfortunate because
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I look at it and all three of these characters are very powerful, very powerful characters, but they all did fall into like the, at some point in their respective games, did fall into like the damsel in distress nonsense and that does suck. But I will say, so the reason why this person is number three is because I think
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you have to play two games to really see their transformation. And that's Yuna on Final Fantasy X, slash 10-2.
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I'm giggling, but you'll find out later. Okay, so I mean, I absolutely love Yuna. Yuna's fantastic. Yuna is my favorite character in the Final Fantasy X universe. And I think like her growth as a character from when you first meet her in Besaid in Final Fantasy X through the end of X2
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is incredible. The journey that whole like two games take with her is a lot. Yeah and what I will say is part of the reason why like it's again it's more of like the character growth for me but then that's also kind of like a double-edged sword almost because it's like
00:23:17
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She definitely needed Titus to be able to break her out of her shell. So if I were only highlighting one game, I would say 10-2, Yuna, because at that point,
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She was driven by more than just like, oh, I have to do this because I have to with the pilgrimage, right? She was driven to get answers and she did what she needed to do. She was a very powerful character in a game that does not get enough love.
00:23:52
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And like in Final Fantasy X, she was OP with her summoner abilities. But in X2, having the dress fear system and having all those abilities, I'm just like, wow. I would not want to mess with Yuna. And I think that's one of the reasons I enjoyed X2 so much is because they did
00:24:13
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They went against the green, right? I recently found out I beat 10-2 twice. I did not know that. I found a memory card of mine. That's awesome, though. I had a beaten 10-2 save, and I know I had beaten it a couple of years ago. So yeah, I beat 10-2 twice. I don't remember the first time, but hey, I did. But I think also part of the thing is I played 10-2 before I played 10, because I got 10-2 as a gift.
00:24:41
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Oh, so you played them in reverse. I actually didn't I actually didn't know that about you. I beat 10 to or at least I don't remember beating 10 to before 10. But I did play 10 to before 10. Because yeah, I got I got 10 to from my cousin as a gift when he was selling his PlayStation two. And then I didn't and that was probably in like that was close to when it came out. That was probably like
00:25:08
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Oh, four or five. OK, because I like I haven't been to the last time I'd been to. It was my cousin that's in Philadelphia and the last time I've been to Philadelphia was like oh, five or six somewhere around there, so. So it had to have been then and like I got 10 in like 2009, so.
00:25:31
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Yeah, I definitely played 10-2 first. It's a good thing you didn't remember beating 10-2 before playing 10, because it kind of spoils all of 10. Yeah, I don't think I beat 10-2 before I played 10. I think I went back and beat 10-2 after I beat 10. But yeah, overall, I think Yuna was just a very, very good character. Being able to see her transformed from, hey, I'm kind of just like,
00:26:00
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a mindless religious puppet to, oh, like, these things aren't right. And we need to step against these things and like, actually do what's best for the people and like, be more of a leader. That was that was absolutely incredible. And then to take that a step further in 10 to actually be a leader and like,
00:26:24
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start taking charge in different situations to try to find out the answers that she's looking for. I thought that was absolutely fantastic. And definitely, again, it's one of those things where I appreciate when anyone can put their foot down and take action. And so the fact that Yuna definitely showed that, the more she got screen time, I thought that that was absolutely incredible.
00:26:55
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Yeah. And, and I think it's really important to highlight the both games because like, if you just look at Yuna in Final Fantasy 10, like she's mainly just doing what everybody else is telling her she has to do. And then at the very end kind of thing is when she finally decides after, you know, being around Titus and his influence and all that sort of stuff kind of.
00:27:18
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help her kind of push out of her shell a little bit to be more of herself. But yet, 10-2 is a whole progression of her being herself and her being the person she wants to be. So I feel like it's a beautiful journey if you combine the two of them together. And I can see why it's hard for you to justify putting her as number one because it takes two games to do that. Exactly. Whereas it's actually really funny. So I don't think you've played this game.
00:27:49
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Oh, so you're number two is a game I have played. I didn't play this game, but I couldn't leave this character off of my list because this is my favorite character in this series. And yeah, I just I couldn't leave this character off the list. That's okay. Wait, you think you know? No, I don't know. I'm just saying that's okay, because there's one that I had to do too. So okay. It's Aqua from Kingdom Hearts, Birth by Sleep.
00:28:23
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I didn't know if you had played birth by sleep. Okay, you know what? I didn't even think about the Kingdom Hearts series at all because I I'm gonna let you talk about Aqua, but Aqua was a great choice for that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So I will say I can favorite Kingdom Hearts game next to two.
00:28:41
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Oh yeah, Birth by Sleep is my favorite Kingdom Hearts game. It's also, Aqua is my favorite Kingdom Hearts character by far. And I think I was very like, there is a little bit of like, hey, she needs to be saved in later games. But it's also because of the sacrifices that she made in
00:29:05
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Birth by Sleep. And so like, without giving too much spoiler, because there is a lot that happens in Birth by Sleep that sets up a lot of the other games. Aqua is one of three playable characters. After, at the end, after you beat all three chapters, like all three characters playthroughs, there is like a final chapter.
00:29:30
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Okay. I've never beaten all three of their chapters. Yeah. Okay. I didn't realize there was like a, there, there's like an extra one there, but that is a final chapter. Yep. During my kingdom hearts journey. Yeah.
00:29:45
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the amount of like, like Aqua's the one that kind of succeeds out of the three of them. And she's the one that's sort of like trying to make sure everything stays together. She's the one that like has her head screwed on right. And sort of like the model key blade wielder. And so it just like, oh my goodness, like playing through that. And I also loved that
00:30:15
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Like, yeah, they definitely tried to like...
00:30:19
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play to each character. So obviously you had Terra and Ventus and you had like them being different types of characters with Ventus being sort of more in the middle and Terra being more of like a broody character and being more sort of magic focused. But in general, I just, I absolutely loved the way that Aqua conducted herself throughout the entire story.
00:30:47
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And just like, again, the decisions that she made on the fly, the sacrifices that she made, and still having the ability to like
00:30:58
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not only help wherever she was going, but also keeping in mind her close friends and like, again, just goes back to like having those morals and being able to kind of like see what is in front of her and also look big picture as well. Like, yeah, very analytical. And I just like, oh, my goodness, I thought things through and she wasn't just kind of going like spur the moment like a certain other Kingdom Hearts protect us.
00:31:25
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Yeah, and that was that was another thing like I will say like it's it's definitely one of those things where you can compare her a lot to other characters and even in that Kingdom Hearts world and it's like there's not another character like Aqua there there just isn't and Honestly, I think I would have been more put like no offense to Kingdom Hearts fans don't come at me but if Aqua would have been the main character in more games I would have played more and
00:31:53
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And it's also really, really interesting because when you play Birth by Sleep 0.2 Fragmentary Passage, you actually get to see how Aqua makes yet another sacrifice
00:32:14
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And yeah, it just, it ties the story together. It really does. Like you get to see. So yeah, and that's, that's like a really short game, but overall, like I said, I definitely, Aqua would be number two for me. She's a great, honestly, she's a great choice. And I'm really excited to eventually get into my Kingdom Hearts journey where I play them all, because I really want to hit birth by sleep again, because I feel like a lot of people overlook her as a character.
00:32:39
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And I think that's like really doing a disservice because like she is a just by definition a Independent strong woman lead that you know, you know calculates her moves and it's just her whole like
00:32:56
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storyline and everything. Like I said, if Kingdom Hearts had her as the central character, I would have been like nothing against Sora or anything like that. It's just she's just a way more interesting character. Sora is very much your typical young, like. Goofy kid kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. And then he kind of goes through his little teenage years and his little moody streaks.
00:33:25
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Whereas Kyrie, I really liked her too, but the problem is I found like she kind of got the short end of the stick a lot in the different games that it made me kind of sad because I'm just like, you know, she had potential to be another scenario like Aqua for me, but because I put that on the developers with her, I feel like they kind of just
00:33:49
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through her story aside a lot and kind of just made her the damsel of distress all the time. One time where she could actually start defending herself, they still made it like, oh, but, and you know, you still need Sora and you still need Riku and yada, yada, yada. So it's just like, ah, where's Aqua? Aqua don't need nobody but Aqua.
00:34:10
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Which is great fighting for her friends like yeah, she's still do it. Yeah, she's still doing the honorable thing She still has a great moral compass. She's still trying to save her friend She's still trying to do what she needs to do, right? So it's uh It's great that you put her on that list because I feel like a lot of people just kind of like glaze over her and and when I was making my list and stuff like that I didn't even think of character parts because I've only played a couple of the games and I had played birth by sleep so long ago, but I
00:34:36
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when you're talking about it I'm like yeah she was really really good she was a very good um I realized they made that game where it split up into three but like I played her route and I think I played Ventus's or was it Terra I think it was Ventus um and Ventus
00:34:57
Speaker
Which one's the one that looks kind of like Roxas? That's it. That's okay. That's the one I played because of the fact that he was similar to like Roxas from two and he Roxas was a central character in two, right? So I was like, okay, I kind of saw the connection there. And then I don't think I played the other, other one because like I, I awkward was the more interesting one. They're like, all right, I'm done. See, I actually did it in, um,
00:35:27
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Is there an actual specific order? I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be. It's like, it's kind of the biggest thing is you're supposed to play Aqua Story last.
00:35:36
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OK, I kind of had a feeling. Yeah, because what's revealed in the storyline, it kind of seemed like it was probably supposed to be. Yeah, then then and Tara's stories both spoil Aqua's story. So like you can it's like hit or miss. I personally like. It's hitter. It depends. It depends on the person. Like for me, I went then Tara Aqua.
00:36:05
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Okay. Um, cause that was the order that I was told that it would be best done because I do think at the end of Tara's story, it spoils a little bit of the end of then story. I think if I remember correctly, um, it's been like eight or nine years since I've played the game. And like I've watched a couple of people play through it, but yeah, so.
00:36:30
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Yeah, overall, like, cause again, then once you beat all three stories, you go into the final chapter and that's a continuation of the story. Cause all three of the stories are tied together. You just get to see it in their different perspectives and like they go to different worlds at times.
00:36:50
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But yeah, no, in in all in all, like it's still the same story and you get to see the end with the end of the story with with Aqua. So, OK, OK. Yeah. So it's actually really funny. Number one for me would have been Aqua if you would have asked me this question a year ago. OK. That means, OK, is this 70th Street? Is this is no, it is.
00:37:21
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Um, this is true. This is true. And it's funny because I feel like we've, we've had this conversation because we, we've had the protagonist one, right? So spoilers. Um,
00:37:41
Speaker
I mean, nobody pay attention to that. That didn't happen. That didn't happen. It's funny because we don't like, we're not necessarily editing these. So you're just going to get the bloopers because I don't know. I feel like us going on tangents is just... It's literally the name. We got to stay on brand. We can't edit our stuff. Come on.
00:38:03
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So yeah, it's definitely Leneth. I mean, just such a badass character, such a strong character has, again, strong moral compass, has that like compassionate side of her as well. And yeah, just really goes through and just kind of pushes through all the different things that happen.
00:38:29
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and doesn't waver in her resolve at all. There is a sort of small section where again, and it's only in a specific route, but like, there's a small section where she kind of needs to be, quote unquote, rescued.
00:38:46
Speaker
But again, she comes through and she went, even after that does happen, like she's still headstrong, she's still able to push through. She does have a little bit of like, it's really interesting just based on how the story is played out that like, you kind of get to see a different side of her, again, depending on kind of which route you end up playing through.
00:39:15
Speaker
But yeah, I think she's just the embodiment of not only what you'd want in a strong woman lead, but also in a strong lead in general, like a strong main character. Like, Leneth has everything that you want there. Like, in terms of a playable character, she's super OP. And in terms of just main character going through and, again, being able to keep
00:39:43
Speaker
cool, collected, and be able to push the story while also kind of challenging other characters, helping other characters sort of grow and advance themselves. And that's something that I think really needs to be highlighted. Because of the nature of Valkyrie Profile,
00:40:07
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She is kind of like inherently pushing every character in like to grow. You know what I mean?
00:40:17
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Yeah, like. Based on, I'm trying not to, I'm trying to be very, very vague. Yeah, you don't want to spoil it for people, especially if they haven't played Valkyrie Profile, but yeah, she's kind of like guiding everybody a little bit. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I can, I can talk about Lenith as a character for a while. But yeah, just, just an absolute badass. And yeah, I mean, it was spoiled a little bit, but just one of my favorite
00:40:47
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main characters in general, not even just for someone on this list. So. Yeah. And it was, it was kind of fun getting to play Vow crew profile at that for so long, because this is a game that I've loved near and dear for a long time. So watching you play it was just great. And how much you just like,
00:41:08
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You're like, oh, my God, Elena, that's amazing. And I was like, OK, thank you. Like, I was like, I used to try to like tell people that they're just like, oh, I don't want to play the game. I'm like, come on. It's so cool. Like, she's so cool. And and now going through Leneth again, I'm just kind of like, oh, my goodness. I get to read all over again. OK, so any surprises? What's that? I said any surprises.
00:41:38
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Honestly?
00:41:41
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Fida and Aqua shocked me, but it was more or less because when I was thinking of mine, I just plumb, I didn't think of Kingdom Hearts at all. I'm just going to admit that right there. Because immediately when I think of Kingdom Hearts, I think of like Sora and all that sort of stuff and how they kind of pushed Kairi aside. So I forgot because I was like, oh yeah, that would have made sense. And Aqua was a great choice. And then Fida, I think I just completely more or less, I think,
00:42:11
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Yeah, again, I think when I was writing the list, I wrote down the whole thing and I'm like, how can I forget Fina? Cause she was like such a fun character. She's on my list now, but like not in my like top five, obviously. I'm just, I'm keeping track of like characters I'm thinking of. Cause I want to see when we do this again, I'll have all these there and be like, okay, what order is this guy?
00:42:31
Speaker
going into because I feel like sometimes when I when I move on to the next game and the next game and the next game I get like I sort of forget sometimes some of the the people until it's like reminded so like Fida wasn't but it shouldn't have been
00:42:46
Speaker
So I think Aqua was more the actual surprise. And that you were throwing two wards birth by sleep because that is a fantastic game. And it's my second favorite Kingdom Hearts game. So that I've played. I've only played four or five of them.
00:43:05
Speaker
There's so many. I've played them all. You've played them all, yeah. I still need to go through them all and actually go so that I can understand the plot line because I was a poor kid. My parents got us games because we lived out in the middle of nowhere and they couldn't really afford to drive us everywhere.
00:43:29
Speaker
to see people so they're like here have a game at home so you have something to do um but uh but as things picked up things picked up but um i did i didn't have all the devices that the kingdom hearts games came on out on and i was just like i never got to experience the whole thing and i ended up falling off the train because there was just too many games in the end um but uh but yeah yeah aqua aqua did shock me all right you ready for my list
00:44:00
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Okay, so my number five is a character you don't know yet. Okay, I know who it is. You will be hopefully playing these games soon. Oh, okay.
00:44:15
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But this one's a little bit of a curveball, but I want to highlight that I just want to talk a little bit about the .hack series because they do such a great job with a lot of women characters. And you can generally find one you jive with fairly quickly because they have... Oh my goodness, wait, I might know who it is.
00:44:37
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Um, they have so many different types. So one of my favorites actually, uh, comes from the first four games. Um, and, uh, there's another one that I talk about in the GU universe, but I felt like I had too many types like her. So I was like, nah, I'm going to go the, the OG series. And so I'm going to go, my number five is Black Rose. I knew it. I knew it.
00:45:07
Speaker
I'm sorry. Yeah. So she is such a fun. Okay. So I did play, I played mutation. Okay. That's right. You did. So you would have gotten some more, more story on black Rose. Okay. So, um, and I won't, I won't go into too much detail just because I know you're going to be playing these games and I think you're gonna, I think you're gonna really like her. She's a lot of fun.
00:45:28
Speaker
But there's a lot of characters in Dot Hack, a lot of different women personality types and stuff like that. But I found Black Rose was just one of those more realistic heroine types. So she very much comes off as really cocky and like, oh, you don't know how to play this game. Her to her to her. It's like you're level one lady.
00:45:55
Speaker
Like, you clearly aren't playing this MMO either. And so she comes off like that. She comes off a thing. But as you start to learn more about her as a character, you see why she acts that way. And I won't say anything because it's spoilers. But you see how she is. And she is just such a fun character that kind of goes through several
00:46:20
Speaker
dynamics of a character to come out into one of my favorite women characters in a game. First of all, she's wielding this dynamic claymore right when you meet her and you're like, okay. And your main character has these two little daggers and you're like,
00:46:41
Speaker
She's got this giant claymore that's bigger than her. And she's like, oh, hi, kind of thing. And right away, I was like, OK, this is awesome. I love Dothack because they have such a great range of weapons and stuff like that in the game and character types and stuff that she's no exception. But you learn a lot about her real self, too, as you play through the game. So basically, the Dothack series is about people playing an MMO game.
00:47:10
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Um, and so you get to learn a little bit about like them outside the game too. And, and so you learn about her as well. And just everything just ties into just like a really, a character who goes through a lot of stuff, uh, but comes out as just like, wow, like you've been through some shit, but look at, look at, look at you, like, look at you.
00:47:32
Speaker
And she's so fun and she's so spunky and she kind of like keeps you on your toes. And it's kind of funny because she'll even like, I found I was agreeing with her a lot. Like a character would come in and she's like, oh my goodness, this character's really annoying. And I'm like,
00:47:57
Speaker
Yes! Thank you! Kind of thing, and like pointing these out and stuff. So she, she to me, ended up being like me in that game. In a fun way. And like, so I was just like, okay, like it was like every time I would say something, she'd just kind of come around. But she's not without her faults. And I think that's what makes her a really believable character, is because I mean, these are real people playing these, these
00:48:25
Speaker
RPG characters, right? So like, she is human and she has her flaws and you get to go through the game and everything with it. But yeah, I'm really excited for you to play the game because I think you're gonna really jive with her just in hysterics and stuff like that. She's just a really fun character.
00:48:45
Speaker
I really liked her and she at least when she was different than the one that I really like like the one of that I like the GU is not one that a lot of people like but I feel like also kind of looking at my list I was like she she's too close to another two others on my list so it's like I'm gonna go good the other side because
00:49:07
Speaker
Black Rose and Adelie from .hack//Geo kind of go hand in hand for me as my women. So I was like, Black Rose, we'll do her. She's cool. I still need to get the GU games. I don't have them.
00:49:21
Speaker
Yeah, there's some improvements on it. There's some more interesting characters. I think the storyline is a little bit more predictable in GU than I think, but I'm really excited for you to go through them. I'm going to play the originals before I get GU, but yeah. Yeah, play the four originals because I still feel like they are the
00:49:42
Speaker
They are the superior of the series, but GU series is also worth playing too. So it's just, I think, personally with knowing you, I think you will like the protagonist for .hack original games more than the GU protagonist.
00:50:00
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just based on other characters you like and who you kind of jive with. But yeah, so she's my number five. Number four is a game you're just playing. Okay, this is what I was expecting. Yeah, you just got her. So again, I won't go into too crazy detail, because you just got her in this game, but it's Momo from Breath of Fire 3.
00:50:29
Speaker
So Momo's really fun. She's really intellectual. And she kind of character design wise looks really, really cool. Like one thing a lot of people don't realize with Momo and her design, just because it's really hard to see with her sprite is that her ears are wings.
00:50:56
Speaker
Oh, I didn't notice that. Yeah. So the way on the side of her sprite is not a part of her hat. They're her ears. Gotcha. Yeah. So she's got these like she's got these cute little winged ears. She's got like big giant like orange braided hair. And then her weapon is a giant bazooka.
00:51:20
Speaker
And I'm just like, everything about her, I was like, okay, I'm very interested in this character as soon as you get her. And then, and like, I can say this because KJ literally just got past this part. Otherwise I would have to swap this character out too. But when you beat her, she's like in the lab, like tinkering things and she causes like a massive explosion and you go in and you're like, what the hell? And everything just looks like a wreck.
00:51:46
Speaker
just erect and then she starts shouting at you because she just wasn't an explosion and she can't hear because she has giant wing ears so like she's gonna have like crazy ear damage at that point and so that's how you like introduce to this character is that she's like in this tower and she's been experimenting and she causes an explosion and stuff but she is highly intelligent
00:52:10
Speaker
uh and it was interesting to me because not only like generally I find in games especially with women is when they have the intelligent characters they're usually not strong they're usually like true like they're more geared towards being mages like not strong in the sense of like like physically they're more
00:52:33
Speaker
mages or they're more clerics or you know, they're, they're generally that class. Whereas Momo has got a giant gun because that's what she, she takers with, right? So she takers with like machinery and stuff like that. So, and so she has this big gun and, but she's also a very intellectual and stuff like that. So you're just kind of like, interesting to me, she breaks a lot of molds just by existing. And then she has such a great character design.
00:53:03
Speaker
And as you go throughout the game, there's so many aspects of the game that tie her into it and that she becomes somebody that you're just like, okay, I like where her head's at. And a lot of the views she has on life and outlooks on certain scenarios that happen in the game and everything.
00:53:28
Speaker
Which is actually really good because that game, I think it's while it's fun, it's missing. It's definitely missing strong characters. So yeah, so like that brother fire three, you start out with like kids, right? So you got these little kids and and then I mean, technically Momo Momo is younger, too. But she she's also a character who's been around a little bit longer than that year, other two. Right. So age wise. So
00:53:57
Speaker
She's a little bit older. And so you start to kind of get that a little bit. And I think Momo just right away stands out. And it was so funny when you get her and you're like, oh, this is going to be my third party member. And you were just so excited about it. I was like, you have no idea. You've got so much more to go.
00:54:15
Speaker
But yeah, so I had to put her on the list. I love her. I was able to add it because KJ literally got through this part of the game, just got this character. So I was like, okay, I could talk about it a little bit. I can't go into too much. But yeah, you'll see why as you progress through the game, why she's just up there for me. She's just so much fun.
00:54:41
Speaker
Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, so far, so good. She has been seeming like a fun character, so.
00:54:47
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Yeah, and she breaks the bolts a lot, which I like. I tend to be drawn sometimes. Sometimes I'm drawn to a type when it comes to the women characters. But with her, I was like, she's just smart. She builds things. She's got a giant bazooka. Nobody fucks with her. I'm like, yeah, I like this. She's got wing ears. I was like, what the hell? I didn't notice the wing ears. That did not dawn on me.
00:55:17
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Yeah, so now you're gonna be like playing this on Wednesday gonna be like oh Because everybody thinks it's a part of her hat because she's got one of those like scholar hats on Which would have had like the little feathers on the hat, right? Which I mean technically at her concept art you could see it but but no the big big things coming up those are her ears and it's like oh
00:55:44
Speaker
She actually, she has like little, she does like a little glasses and stuff like that too. So she, she comes out as like, oh, she's going to be like kind of like the nerdy character, but you know, she's, she, she breaks those tropes. And I like that about her. Um, my number three made me laugh cause it's the exact same number three as you. Wow. That's funny.
00:56:09
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Yeah, so I purposely, and this is a little bit of spoiler for the next two ones, but I purposely only wanted to put one woman from Final Fantasy on here, because I like to shine light on other games, because there's more JRPGs out there than Final Fantasy. But for me, I was trying to think about it, and I was torn between Yuna and Garnet. Interesting.
00:56:36
Speaker
I think Yuna, it was a toss up of which one was going to go there and it still kind of is like they're both neck and neck for me because Garnet on one hand like she goes through so much stuff and she's one of the characters we were talking about earlier about how you can argue
00:56:56
Speaker
She's a co-lead. Definitely. You can very much argue she's a co-lead for that. So with all of that and everything. But then there's Yuna. And she has two games to kind of get everything through, but she goes from the one who was like following where she was told to do and then she kind of starts realizing that's not what she wants to do. And then she starts doing what she wants to do. And like, I feel like Yuna allows herself to be a little bit more vulnerable.
00:57:25
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um, and she has some vulnerable moments and stuff like that and Titus helps her through uh, some of those moments and one of the most beautiful scenes being that like Titus Iouda in the water scene I still love that because that's like she was like she was just at an all-time low and he he came and he comforted her and helped her through that stuff like that and like
00:57:49
Speaker
Garnet equally goes through things like that too. It has like Zidane like helper through things too. So it was like, it's really hard to choose between the two of them to put them on the list. Cause I only wanted one of them. And I was like, and I can easily argue both of them would go in that spot. But, uh, but when you said three was, you know, I, I had to, I had to withhold laughter because that's like, put her in the same spot.
00:58:17
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Yup. I'm not, it makes sense. Yeah. Garnet was not even close to, was not even close. I think I sympathize more with Garnet because like everything she goes through and stuff like that, like even losing her mom or whatever, that's something I've gone through. That's fair. And so like, I think I connect with her a little bit more on an emotional level. So I tried to look at this a little bit more objectively. And that's why in the end I put Yuna just because I feel like she has the more
00:58:48
Speaker
um the growth that uh i enjoyed and stuff and yeah and it's like when you get to ten two she's herself and she doesn't need any like she has her friends there with her to help her through but like she's guided by her own morals her own ideals uh she's driven um she's tough she's strong like like she's just become like she's in she's becoming to herself and like i i love that about ten and ten two and so
00:59:14
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Yeah, I love that our number three is the same, and I kind of chuckle, because I was like, oh my goodness. I think our number one's the same too, but. Don't spoil it. All right, so this is KJ Moore, let's talk about, like, I agree with KJ entirely with his reasoning with Yuna, so I'm gonna talk about my number two. I don't want it to are for you.
00:59:39
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Okay, I want you to guess what number two is. It's, it's Rina and, and Lyneth. Fun fact, Rina's not on this list. Really? Wow. I thought of somebody that slightly pulled ahead for me. Um, I, I adore Rina and, uh, and everything, but there's one who's pulled ahead and it's because we had recently been talking about this game and I remembered how much I loved this character. Uh, it's Setsuna.
01:00:10
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Oh, that's real good. Yeah. Wow. So there. Yeah. So
01:00:19
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KJ is the one who got me to play I Am Sitsuna. For anybody who's listening who may not know, I played I Am Sitsuna because KJ put it on my backlog for streaming and got me to play it. And he really, really wanted me to play it because I kept saying it how much like Chrono Trigger is my favorite game of all time and it's compared to Chrono Trigger. It's also compared to Final Fantasy X, which he also knew I really liked and we had that in common.
01:00:42
Speaker
And so he he pushed that thing and I am so thankful that he did this game was absolutely beautiful and I feel like it gets thrown under the rug a lot and kind of pushed aside a lot of people don't either have played it or if you've heard of it or even have given it a shot and it deserves way more than that because its story is like
01:01:03
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up and down. It tells you what's going to go, but you have no idea how that journey is going to go. You're literally set up at the very beginning. This is what's strong for me with Setsuna. From the very start to where you meet her, she knows she's being set up to be sent to her death.
01:01:21
Speaker
Like she has to sacrifice herself for people and she's okay with it. She's like, I'm okay with this. I want to save my people. I want to save the world. And those kind of strong convictions, knowing you're going to die is like, holy crap. Now the game sends you so many curve balls and maybe things don't necessarily turn out the way they were talking about at the beginning.
01:01:44
Speaker
But she goes through so much and she learns so much, but the one thing that never changes with Satsuna is her personality, is her convictions, her goal to save people and to help people and to be there for people.
01:01:59
Speaker
And like that's like she goes through lots of shit. She learns a lot about your party members She learns a lot about like all kinds of different things that happen and you know of all the different characters and stuff like that and and and even the main antagonist sort of portion of the game and and everything and she's uncovering everything and like she'd never lose sight of I mean, I need to save people I need to do it and it's like
01:02:29
Speaker
That that the strength she has throughout that whole game and facing everything she does and she still goes forward towards it with that same conviction is just like Like she's a true hero and I couldn't have I in my brain I'm like I couldn't have I couldn't think of too many women who were a true hero like that like through and through and yes They have a few of the little stereotypes
01:02:54
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Yeah, she's more of a healing type. She does less damage than other characters and stuff like that. I can't really argue on that because it is done quite a lot and I don't want to put her down for that, right? So she does that role well. She has that conviction and I feel like
01:03:18
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she's still kind of true to herself too because she's got some like quirky things about her and she gets a little jealous and so she you know like you're like okay she has this thing and she knows what she needs to do but she doesn't lose who she is which that's why I also put her above Yuda because even though she had a similar a similar assignment it it didn't take for her to have another person to
01:03:48
Speaker
like bring herself out. She was just herself. She's like, this is who I am. I want to help people. This is genuinely who I am. She's like, I want to help people. And you see a lot of her like little quirkiness and stuff like that as you go through the game.
01:04:04
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I feel like a lot of people overlook this game and I want to talk about it more and bring it to light more because I want more people to play it because it is a beautiful game and the piano music is gorgeous. Just don't do that on a 24-hour stream. Don't be like Polly and try to play this game on a 24-hour stream while listening to soft piano music.
01:04:26
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at 5 a.m. after not going to bed and it gets a little rough but I still I love this game so much I just don't recommend it for when you're like half asleep yeah because the soft piano music of the game because the entire the entire uh ost of the game is piano music so it's like
01:04:49
Speaker
It's not really going to keep you necessarily super upbeat or whatever, but that aside, this game is wonderful. And Setsuna is literally in the title of I am Setsuna. I also like to argue is the main character because the games literally made out of her are made like named after her. Saying the title of that game makes me think of Peach's joke about that game. And I can't say it because it's a spoiler, but
01:05:17
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember, I remember. And like, I do realize you kinda, technically speaking, your guy is Edder, right? Or whatever. So like, technically that is who you control first. But the game's literally named after her. Everything is about her. She's definitely the main character. So I like to consider her to be a main character. And for her to just be a genuine hero,
01:05:47
Speaker
for a woman protagonist in a turn-based RPG game. Turn-based action RPG game. I would still say it's turn-based. I think it's still turn-based. I consider Chrono Trigger active turn-based. Yeah, exactly.
01:06:07
Speaker
Similar, Setsuda is similar to that. So active turn-based game. She's just so strong. And so like, she's just a hero from game day one. And I'm like, oh, my sweeping. Yeah, I put her on the list because I think she deserves it. That's awesome. I am actually, how you felt about Fina and Aqua, that's how I feel right now.
01:06:35
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I'm just like, damn, I should have, I really should have. See, it's one of those things where it's like, we've played these games and we felt these things for these characters, but then we, as we continue on, we may, and they may slip our mind. And yeah, it's like, Fida and Aqua for you. And then like, I'd say, I kind of had a funny feeling when I heard your list, I was like, oh, I'm going to say Sitsuda, and he's going to go like, ah. That is a good one. That is a very good one.
01:06:59
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Yeah, that's uh, she's just a genuine hero start to finish. She's she's somebody I want to cosplay as something. I love her like little her like little ring weapons that she then puts up in her like hair. It's like part of her like her hair. I think that's hilarious. Um, she pulls those out and they go, I want to make that thing. I want to make that whole contraption and make it actually work.
01:07:22
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um just I think it'd be great but yeah she's uh she's she's number two on my list and of course number one KJ's already predicted what number one was I I feel like I I feel like I talk about it a lot too that I'm pretty sure anybody listening here who's been in my streams does also know what number one is but yes it is let it um again true hero strong in her conviction stands by her
01:07:51
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Even when it goes against what she should be doing, it goes against what everybody says she should be doing. She stands true to her beliefs, and she's just an overly, like KJ said, a very badass character. And while there is a very tidy segment where you can throw being damsel in the stress, and they're a little bit on a certain route you take, for the most part,
01:08:20
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Like, that's like 99% of the game is not that. So, and it was a very tiny portion of it. And in the end, like she's still, she's, she still handles her own and she actually guides everybody to be better versions of themselves. I never really thought about that, but yeah, it's 100% true.
01:08:43
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Yeah, like she, every, every soul that she meets, she, she, she helps shape them. And I said, like, it's one, so that's why she's actually above Setsuda. So Setsuda is like a true hero to me. Um, Leneth is on like a little bit of a higher level and that's just the sense that not only is she a true hero, but she also makes everybody around her better by being around her.
01:09:12
Speaker
which I think, I think that's powerful. That's something like everybody would wanna, like, I for one aspire to be that. Like I would love that like I could lift people up, everybody around me and just in that sort of sense, right? Like I just want everybody to be like lifted up and like the fact that she could do that for so many people and like just guide them to be the best versions of themselves and not even guide them, just be there to support them to do it.
01:09:42
Speaker
You know and just kind of like just very like little bits in here being like Should you be doing that? You know, like she puts like she puts like a thought in their head and then they go they go through it and Like literally right at the start of the game you get our Graham who literally the gods were like yeah, he's not worth this like like he's not worth bringing up here kind of thing and just like
01:10:11
Speaker
You can tell let us like, oh, really? Like, it's like challenge accepted. And, you know, like, and she starts helping our group out everything, right? So it's just really interesting. Like, if, if, okay, this is right at the start of the game. So I don't feel like this is spoilers, but if, if let us get to make a bratty spoiled princess and turn her into something with feelings and heart and everything.
01:10:46
Speaker
oh my goodness going through that game again is just been oh i i need to keep throwing like i i don't know if i'm going to go through the entire thing on stream but like i i'm going to keep throwing the odd uh gaming of that because it's just fun that game's just great but yeah but yeah leneth leneth is never my number one so
01:11:03
Speaker
Black Rose, Momo, Yuna, Setsuna, and Lettuce are my five out of my list of 20, which is now at 25. Because you also made me think of other podcast games, and now I've put Tactics Reborn, Tactics Ogre Reborn. Interesting. Oh, okay, yeah. I know who you're talking about.
01:11:29
Speaker
Yeah, that definitely surprised me a little bit. I did not expect Setsuna. Setsuna I think was the big one. I expected Momo to be on the list after conversations that we had. I expected either Garnett or Celeste.
01:11:50
Speaker
So Yuna being like Yuna and Garnet basically being like tied to third but I eased over to Yuna and then you said Yuna I was like right at the same spot I'm like yeah but I like I said Setsuna I didn't even think about I did not even think about Setsuna that's a good one that's a really good one holy crap
01:12:13
Speaker
She should need to play that game. The game is so people need to whoever's listening to this, please go play. I am Tsitsuna. It is not an expensive game like it. You could get it. I don't know. I think it's like 20 bucks, 30 bucks. I imported a copy for 45.
01:12:31
Speaker
Yeah. It's on the switch and PlayStation and on steam. Yeah. I think it's, I think it's on all the devices, but, uh, the fact that you got like a physical copy, I want a physical copy. I'm hoping they'll have one at PAX, but they'll probably have them at PAX. Yeah. I definitely want a physical copy of that game. Cause it's, it's, it, man. It's such a good game. Absolutely. A gem of a game. Like.
01:12:56
Speaker
If y'all are big into JRPGs, and if you're listening to this, you probably are. If you have not played Ayan Tsuchita, please...
01:13:04
Speaker
please get on that and play that. It's a hidden gem if I've ever seen a hidden gem before. I didn't even know the game existed until KJ told me about it and then got it on my backlog because I had no idea it existed. And that's how little, that's true for a lot of people. A lot of people didn't know it existed. So like, go out, get this game, play it like you're not gonna be disappointed. Agreed.
01:13:34
Speaker
And it's not just Setsuna, it has a great cast of characters and the storyline is great. And all the music is piano music, which is really, really cool.
01:13:44
Speaker
Yeah, like what video game like what RPG game could you say off the top of your head that has all piano music? Like, yeah. Yeah. So it's very unique that way. And if you like Chrono Trigger and if you like Final Fantasy 10, it has it has elements of that, but it's still its own game. Mm hmm. Yeah, like I said, it was it was so good, like. Such an awesome game.
01:14:16
Speaker
But yeah, thank you all for listening. Yeah, definitely let us know if you liked us going through the five back and forth or if you like us doing it all in one go. So like what we did here where KJ said all is five and then I said all my five, definitely let us know which one you prefer. Give us feedback because yeah, we wanna keep doing what flows better.
01:14:43
Speaker
Yeah, and I think we should probably let people know like, cause obviously this is going to be on like Spotify and Google and all that stuff. So yeah, if you have any, if you want to leave any feedback or anything, you can find us at our respective Twitch channels. So Polly's is twitch.tv slash Polly Munay. Mine is twitch.tv slash KJ2294. Um, we also have those respective handles on our, um, those respective handles on like
01:15:10
Speaker
Twitter and other socials. And we probably should also look towards making like a turn-based tangents Twitter account as well. But yeah, so. Yeah, eventually we'll get on the social media. But we are on, like I said, Spotify, Amazon, Google, YouTube. Some of these episodes may not be on YouTube just because they are audio only for our awesome podcast listeners.
01:15:37
Speaker
Um, what you're listening to right now is something we did we we did completely off stream too. So this is not on a stream. Yep The bonus one of the bonus episodes one of the bonus episodes. Yeah, we want to keep doing like bonus episodes So yeah, give us the feedback on any of those uh, uh socials and uh, let us know which which one you prefer if you like the the back and forth or if you like us just going through the whole list
01:16:03
Speaker
Thank you for listening. And again, thank you to all our listeners and everything for listening and supporting us. It drives us forward to keep me and my best friend here talking about RPG content to all of y'all.
01:16:21
Speaker
with each other and this I had actually sprung this on KJ being like I really want to do something for International Women's Day and he was like super on board with it so thanks to KJ too for jumping on this episode. I think this is a lot of fun and I think going forward we could like theme this on other ones.
01:16:40
Speaker
Yeah, it'll definitely be, I think some things will be harder than others, but we'll make it work. Some of them, yeah. There'll be some that we won't be able to, but we'll look at things that are coming up and see if we can do a list around awesome occasions like Women's History or International Women's Day or that sort of stuff. Yeah. Awesome. All right. So I guess this is another episode of Turn Based Tangents. Thanks everybody, and we'll catch you on the next one.