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Deftones White Pony
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Introduction to Glenwood's Music Club
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Nicole Shine
Hello.
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Conor
Hey everyone, welcome back to Glenwood's Music Club where each week we pick an the album and review it. In this episode we're reviewing one of my choices, Deftone's album White Pony.
White Pony Album Overview
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Conor
So, released on June 20th, 2000, White Pony is the band's third studio album.
00:00:47
Nicole Shine
so
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Conor
It was produced by Terry Date. Recording sessions took place at the Plant Recording Studios in Sausalito, California with additional recording at
00:00:54
Nicole Shine
session took place that the plant
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Conor
Larabee Sound Studios in West Hollywood. Upon release, White Pony debuted at number three on the Billboard 200, selling 178,000 copies in its first week.
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Nicole Shine
released white money think you at number three on the billboard so copie
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Conor
It is the Deftones' highest selling album to date, being certified twice platinum by the RIAA on July 2025.
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Nicole Shine
some highest selling out to date certified twice but i didn't find them i and
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Conor
The album was also a certified platinum in
2020 Reissue and Themes
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Conor
Australia and gold in Canada, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom.
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Nicole Shine
draw you
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Conor
In honor of the album's 20th anniversary, Death Tones re-released White Pony on December 11, 2020, packaged with Black Stallion, a bonus remix album.
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Nicole Shine
that
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Conor
um the album backstory The album's The album is defined by cinematic atmospheres and abstract lyrics rather than literal storytelling.
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Nicole Shine
flash story
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Conor
Frontman Chino Moreno deliberately stepped out of his own life to create dark, sensual, and surreal soundscapes to explore the blurred lines between pleasure, violence, and escapism.
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Nicole Shine
how
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Nicole Shine
essential
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Nicole Shine
a
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Conor
the album title White Pony has a lot of different references ranging from the street slang for cocaine to dream books stating, explaining that if you dream about a white pony, then you're having a sexual dream.
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Nicole Shine
you explaining that having
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Conor
Uh, there's a lot of stuff that kind of goes around that. Um, and this is what pretty funny info. There's five
Release Editions
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Nicole Shine
different edits of the outlet Yeah.
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Conor
different editions of the album that exist.
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Conor
Like they first released, um,
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Nicole Shine
Yeah.
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Conor
limited edition copies that were like in solid red and black jewel cases um and then they um released like a gray edition and then a white edition which is the one we're going to be reviewing today um and which is funny because like i actually owned every single version of this freaking i mean duh yeah if you know me you know
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Nicole Shine
why
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Nicole Shine
a gray edit
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Nicole Shine
yeah
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Conor
I'd do that, but all right. So babe, how did you find out about this album? Did you discover it yourself or did someone introduce it to you?
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Nicole Shine
um I discovered it myself um yeah I can't remember exactly when i feel like I feel like I wasn't that big of a DevTones fan when it got released originally, but eventually just from um becoming a fan of theirs and discovering their music.
00:03:31
Conor
Okay.
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Conor
Yeah.
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Nicole Shine
Of course, this is the one that everybody's like... um You know, you got a white pony, white pony, you know, and um it's not personally up I enjoy Around the Fur a little more.
00:03:47
Conor
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:03:56
Nicole Shine
um
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Conor
Yeah.
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Nicole Shine
I think this is a better album than Around the Fur, but just personal taste. um Like I said before many times, um the the best, just because something's the best doesn't automatically mean it's going my favorite.
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Nicole Shine
i can um'm I'm one of those people that are objective.
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Conor
yeah which is good yeah
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Nicole Shine
like I could be like, just because I like something or don't like something doesn't mean it's not the best or the worst. It's just my personal taste. um But if I'm a speaking objective, I would say that this is probably their best album, but we'll get there.
00:04:29
Conor
yeah no i totally agree i definitely have stuff to say about that later on but uh yeah i discovered the album myself as well um having been a fan since around the fur.
00:04:42
Conor
Um, I remember hearing about when was coming out through the various like music news forums at the time, and then like picking it up the day it was released. Um, I was like originally introduced Deftones through childhood friend and it was around their debut album, adrenaline, but I didn't like them at first, but when their followup around the fur came out, I was totally on board, you know?
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Nicole Shine
Yeah.
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Conor
Yeah.
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Nicole Shine
Yeah, yeah.
Podcast Review Focus
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Conor
Um, Alright, so since this album has so many versions with different tracks, we're going to go off the reissue or the white cover version.
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Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm.
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Conor
So if you guys want to, you know, listen along if you haven't heard this album before. I mean, by all means, listen to all versions, totally. But we're going to be reviewing the track list from the reissue or white cover album.
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Conor
Alright, so um first song, Back to School, Mini Maggot. Uh, added as a late single and not on the original releases of the album, this track serves as an anthem for defiance and shrugging off the pressure to fit into societal or educational molds.
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Conor
Um, what do you think about this track?
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Nicole Shine
I really like this one. um I feel like
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Conor
Yeah.
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Nicole Shine
um it's just a good song. Like, i was I'll make fun of ah Chino and his wicked fly flow, or, you know. always make fun of a white boy rapper.
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Nicole Shine
I'm sorry. But ah he he does have a he does have a, quote, unquote, good flow as compared to, like,
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Conor
Yeah. yeah i was going say neck hex him.
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Nicole Shine
Like, I'll make fun of 311 all the time. but
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Conor
Yeah.
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Nicole Shine
But I feel like, yeah, his his flow is definitely superior. He's not ah actually a white boy, so I can't really call it white boy flow.
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Conor
Yeah. Yeah.
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Nicole Shine
can call it, like, Mexican-Chinese flow. But, yeah. So maybe that's why he has a little more swag. But, ah um yeah, it's a good song.
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Conor
Right.
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Nicole Shine
i think I feel like this is my favorite video of theirs as well.
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Conor
It's a damn good video.
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Nicole Shine
I feel like the video for this is my favorite video too. Not that that matters on the album, but yeah.
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Conor
No, no, totally. We can go through that as we talk. Yeah, this is definitely of their videos single from the album. Um, Yeah, I totally dig this song as well. um I feel like it very much encapsulates that feeling of being in high school and being misunderstood and, you know, seeing yourself as an outsider, you know?
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Nicole Shine
Yeah.
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Nicole Shine
Yeah.
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Conor
So, all right. Next song is Fetissaria. ah
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Nicole Shine
Is that how pronounce it?
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Conor
I think so. Yeah.
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Nicole Shine
I think Yeah. I was like, I'll be fighting for my life. You know me and pronunciations.
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Conor
Yeah, yeah.
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Nicole Shine
I'll be fighting for my life trying to pronounce this song.
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Conor
Yeah, it's a tough one.
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Nicole Shine
Yeah.
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Conor
Notice how I went real slow when I said that shit. um So what I found from this one is it says the album's Portuguese opener references a sorceress. It weaves a tale about a fictional kidnapping that acts as an erotic fantasy and an allegory for being seduced and overwhelmed by fame or obsession.
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Conor
um Yeah, this is like on some of the, like on the original cut of the album, this was the first track.
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Nicole Shine
original yes
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Conor
Yeah, and it's a banger of a first track, honestly.
00:07:58
Nicole Shine
that's okay yeah Yeah, I love this fucking song.
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Conor
Right.
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Nicole Shine
Like, my kids used to sing this song when they were little, because I used to play it so much, which is fun.
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Conor
Don't say that. Fuck, ah I'm drunk.
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Nicole Shine
But, um, it's banger. Love this song.
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Conor
Right.
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Nicole Shine
Love, love, love this song. Um, Yeah.
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Conor
Ditto. It's just fucking very good groove, you know.
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Nicole Shine
And it gets you hype. Like, it's one of those, it's like a hype song that, like, really, um, a lot of this album is not that hype, but this song really gets you, like, up and, like, yeah.
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Conor
It does.
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Nicole Shine
So I can see why this was the original, like, opener.
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Conor
Opener.
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Nicole Shine
ear
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Conor
You're like, ah shit, aw shit, here we go, here we go.
Track Collaboration Highlights
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Conor
Next song is Digital Bath, which is actually one of their singles and videos. um One of Deathstone's most highly regarded songs, Marino's lyrics explore a dark, twisted sexual fantasy.
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Nicole Shine
Yeah.
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Nicole Shine
Yeah.
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Conor
He envisioned a scenario of luring a girl into a bath, electrocuting her with an appliance, dressing her back up, and reliving the thrill. Okay, it probably didn't need to know about that.
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Conor
But, you know, it's, oh my God, this song is so like, you just feel it, you know?
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Nicole Shine
is
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Nicole Shine
just feel yeah
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Conor
It takes you on this like trip. It's hard to describe, but you're just, yeah.
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Nicole Shine
Yeah, I feel like this and then between this and another song, I feel like this is one definitely one of his best vocal performances.
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Nicole Shine
Yeah.
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Conor
Yeah.
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Nicole Shine
That I find. I feel a lot of times Chino can get a lot of a little screechy too much for me. Yeah.
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Conor
Yeah, I get that.
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Nicole Shine
And so he like he doesn't do a lot of... Like, now, nowadays he does, I feel like he's getting older, so he does a lot of more straight singing. Yeah.
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Conor
Yeah.
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Nicole Shine
As opposed to, like, rapping or yelling.
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Conor
Just, yeah.
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Nicole Shine
Yeah. And, um, yeah, he he has the pipes on this one. i like his, vote I really like his vocal performance on this song.
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Conor
It does fit the music.
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Nicole Shine
This is an amazing fucking song. Right?
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Conor
Right? Yeah. Like if you had to
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Nicole Shine
Yeah.
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Conor
introduce like one song to deaf tones fan you know this would this might be one or in the running along with others
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Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm.
00:10:15
Nicole Shine
Yeah. Like, first, so far, three for three bangers, man. Yeah.
00:10:21
Conor
yeah yeah right um next song is elite this heavy industrial tinge track laughs at the futility of people striving to stand out
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Nicole Shine
Back to back. Like, they open this one strong. Right. Next song is This heavy industrial tinge track blasts the futility of people striving to stand now.
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Nicole Shine
The message is that if desperately want to be part of the Elite, simply finding that status on the face.
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Conor
The message is that if you desperately want to be part of the elite, simply claiming that status is all takes.
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Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm.
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Conor
What do you think about this one?
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Nicole Shine
This is the first one that misses for me. And i when I was listening to it the other day, because it's between two really, really good songs, and I'm like, is it because it comes after like three bangers in a row, and it's just not quite up to the level of the you know of those songs?
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Conor
Yeah.
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Nicole Shine
So I was like trying to be, I put on my objective ears and tried to listen to it again, and I was just like, no, I just don't like this song. You think it's a different.
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Conor
Yeah, it's weird. Like, do you think it'd be different if it was in a different location of the album?
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Nicole Shine
Yeah, or whatever.
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Conor
or, I just didn't those songs that you just like, they know did this not, but like, don't think feel like this song.
00:11:18
Nicole Shine
ah you know um' I'm like, am I judging it based against the other songs that came because it's like banger after banger and then this one is not so much of a banger. But I'm like, no, I just don't like this song.
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Nicole Shine
I This time over headphones, for some reason,
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Conor
No, totally feel you. this kind of definitely feels like older Deftones, but I just, for some reason, like, this one just...
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Nicole Shine
this don't
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Conor
I don't know. i don't love it as much as the rest of the album, you know?
00:11:44
Nicole Shine
don't as rest of the it's a miss for me.
00:11:46
Conor
And we'll get into, you know, favorite least and all that stuff and album ranking spoiler. All right. Next song, Rx Queen, which I didn't know this, but guest vocals from Scott Weiland.
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Nicole Shine
I know, I saw it. i was like, really? I didn't recognize them.
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Conor
Right? I know. For real. um Influenced by nineteen seventy s sci-fi. This track is heavily metaphorical. Moreno considers it to be the most futuristic song on the record dealing with surreal devotion and the numbing hypnotic effect of chemicals and love.
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Conor
What you think of this one?
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Nicole Shine
Okay, we back to bangers.
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Conor
Right? Yeah, yeah.
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Nicole Shine
Yeah, this song is a really good, really, really good song.
00:12:28
Conor
No, it's funny.
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Nicole Shine
Yeah.
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Conor
Like, a lot of these songs are really good to blast with your windows down night driving, right? But yeah.
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Nicole Shine
Yeah, and that's why I was like, had to go back and reevaluate Elite because I'm like, I really like Digital Bath. I really like RX Queen. And I'm like, do I just not like Elite because it's in between two songs I really like?
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Nicole Shine
But then I was like, no, i just don't like it. But yeah, Queen, I love the song It's funny.
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Conor
it's
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Nicole Shine
It's hard, soft, hard, soft. You know?
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Conor
It's funny because I'm just now noticing this, but the flow of the album is like hard, soft, hard, soft, you know? kind of feel to it which is cool normally because there's tons of other albums that we both like that are kind of like that but don't know yeah I love this song too but yeah next song is Street Carp a rhythmic driving track that reflects feelings of claustrophobia and paranoia it maintains the album's theme of shadowy urban fantasies what you think of this one yeah ditto
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Nicole Shine
yeah yeah
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Nicole Shine
I like this one. Yeah, it's, this one is, I don't want use to use the term because me has a negative connotation. But it's like, it's not a song I dislike and it's not like in my top songs on the album.
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Conor
So it's just like.
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Nicole Shine
It's good. It's a good song. Not a bad song. Yeah.
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Conor
Yeah, yeah.
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Nicole Shine
Yeah.
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Conor
It's just like there. Yeah.
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Nicole Shine
Yeah.
00:13:58
Conor
Yeah, I feel you. Yeah, this one ramps back up. It's, you know, back to the heavy of the album. This is a good song. I dig it. It's very deft tones. um So.
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Conor
All right. Next song is Teenager. A nostalgic departure in sound reflecting on a youth spent observing others and longing to escape a dull existence.
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Conor
It strips back the heavy metal elements for a more melancholic indie pop five. Your thoughts?
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Nicole Shine
Banger.
00:14:31
Conor
I know, right?
00:14:31
Nicole Shine
This song is so fucking good.
00:14:33
Conor
I know.
00:14:34
Nicole Shine
It's so fucking good.
00:14:34
Conor
it's You just are in the feels on this one, you know?
00:14:35
Nicole Shine
you just
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Nicole Shine
It's such a good song.
00:14:40
Conor
like
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Nicole Shine
I like when the death tones get all weird and spacey and, you know.
00:14:44
Conor
Yeah, right.
00:14:46
Nicole Shine
i like their, you know, when they're, you know, aggressive or whatever. But, um yeah. ah
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Conor
The experimental weird and feely, like, yeah i don't think they miss.
00:14:55
Nicole Shine
Yeah, I like that they...
00:14:57
Conor
Yeah.
00:14:57
Nicole Shine
I like that they take those chances. I think other hard bands are like, they don't want to take those chances, but I like, I think that's what kind of sets them apart and why they last so long compared to their contemporaries because it's like they're willing to take, you know, different chances and not just keep doing the same shit, you know?
00:15:07
Conor
Yeah, the longevity. Yep.
00:15:15
Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm.
00:15:15
Conor
Totally agree.
00:15:15
Nicole Shine
Yeah, love this
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Conor
They evolve, you know? Um, yeah, I, I fucking love this song. This one. Yeah. This one was tough choice for me for later on when we're going be talking about favorites versus leaf favorites.
00:15:26
Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm.
00:15:29
Conor
But yeah, this song, I never like skip this song.
00:15:34
Nicole Shine
Yeah, no, no, no, no.
00:15:34
Conor
Never, ever, ever.
00:15:36
Nicole Shine
no
00:15:36
Conor
Sometimes I would skip to this song, you know, if I felt like hearing it, cause it's just one of those songs that stays with you.
00:15:36
Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. m
00:15:43
Conor
Um, All right, next song, Knife Party. Inspired by a spontaneous party on the band's tour bus where the drummer handed out knives, Moreno imagined secret seductive underworld society fight club where people are turned on by danger and erotic violence.
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Nicole Shine
turned on by danger
00:16:02
Conor
What you think about Knife Party? It's street parking where it's my absolute how would it the
00:16:04
Nicole Shine
It's kind of like a street cart for me, where it's not one of my absolute favorites on the album, but I don't dislike it. It's perfect. It's, you know, it's perfectly fine.
00:16:14
Conor
Yeah, yeah.
00:16:14
Nicole Shine
Yeah.
00:16:16
Conor
Ramps, again, back up to the heavy from the soft of Teenager.
00:16:17
Nicole Shine
Yeah.
00:16:20
Conor
i I actually really love this song. um
00:16:23
Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm.
00:16:24
Conor
that That one kind of instrumental part where it has the woman singing, that's so fucking, like, I feel that, you know, she's belting it out.
00:16:28
Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm.
00:16:33
Conor
I forget her name. They mention her. i think she was, like, someone that was recording vocals in the next room over when they recording this song.
00:16:37
Nicole Shine
It says Ryleen Gessick?
00:16:47
Conor
Yeah.
00:16:48
Nicole Shine
Wikipedia. I don't know that.
00:16:49
Conor
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16:50
Nicole Shine
But yeah, whatever.
00:16:50
Conor
That's where I saw that.
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Nicole Shine
Shout out to Ryleen Gessick.
00:16:51
Conor
Yeah.
00:16:54
Conor
She delivered, man.
00:16:54
Nicole Shine
She delivered.
00:16:55
Conor
It just adds so much to that for sure. right. Next song is Korea. ah This was the first song we wrote for the record. It's a little heavy.
00:17:06
Conor
It talks about the white pony strippers and drugs and shit.
00:17:07
Nicole Shine
I was about point one these strippers to trust and shit for Gina.
00:17:10
Conor
Perchino. What do you think about this one?
00:17:13
Nicole Shine
What do you think about this one? This is second one that really doesn't hit that much for me. I don't dislike it as much as I dislike Elite. But yeah, it's it's not one of my favorites, I'll be honest.
00:17:28
Conor
Yeah, I'm kind of there with you. Like um back in the day when this album first came out, this was actually a song I would, you know, not always listen to if I'm truthful.
00:17:38
Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm.
00:17:38
Conor
I would probably skip it.
00:17:38
Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm.
00:17:40
Conor
Not because it's a bad song, but just because it just, I felt like it didn't, don't know, it didn't flow for me for this album, you know? All right, this next one's going loaded.
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Conor
Passenger, featuring guest vocals with shared vocals with Maynard James Keenan. um This song features legendary guest vocals by Tool's Maynard James Keenan.
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Conor
The song acts as an allegory for giving up control and allowing yourself to be taken for a thrill ride, whether that implies dangerous speed, drug-fueled escapism, or racism in a car.
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Nicole Shine
without control
00:18:20
Conor
All right, lay it on me. I'll just sit back.
00:18:23
Nicole Shine
You know. sit back.
00:18:24
Conor
I'll sit back. You go.
00:18:24
Nicole Shine
You You
00:18:25
Conor
I'm going to open up my drink and listen.
00:18:30
Nicole Shine
this, of course, was for a long time before I, but you know, started. I liked the round of fur, but this was, of course, a favorite of mine because Maynard.
00:18:42
Nicole Shine
I mean, I'm a tool fan.
00:18:42
Conor
Maynard. Maynard.
00:18:44
Nicole Shine
I'm a Maynard. you're going to laugh, and it's not because of Maynard, but I feel like he just elevates everything. vocally.
00:18:54
Nicole Shine
You know what mean? Like, Chino, you know, great vocalist, obviously, but come on, it's fucking Maynard.
00:18:57
Conor
know
00:19:03
Nicole Shine
But they do said they sound good together.
00:19:04
Conor
music Yeah.
00:19:05
Nicole Shine
Like, they play off of each other really well, but Maynard just kind of Maynard's on here.
00:19:07
Conor
They do.
00:19:14
Conor
Hey Maynards. That needs to be a what? A fucking adjective? or what Oh man, just Maynard. I just Maynard.
00:19:19
Nicole Shine
And he he kind of steals the song away from Chino. um, a little bit, but he, but he's Maynard, you know i mean, like, but, um, whether or not we will, we will find out if this is my favorite song on the album or not, because, because of Maynard, um, but, um,
00:19:25
Conor
Hey now.
00:19:28
Conor
Okay.
00:19:38
Conor
Right? Yeah.
00:19:42
Nicole Shine
but Besides that, I like the the the symbolism of the song.
00:19:47
Conor
Yeah.
00:19:47
Nicole Shine
um I like, the again, the way they play off of each other where, you know, Chino's doing his whispery, like, creepy guy thing.
00:19:58
Conor
Yeah.
00:19:58
Nicole Shine
and And then Maynard, like, comes in and, again, it's all Maynard, all on the song. And they kind of play, balance each other and play off of each other. i think it's...
00:20:07
Conor
It really does a back and forth.
00:20:08
Nicole Shine
Yeah, I think it works.
00:20:09
Conor
Very good.
00:20:10
Nicole Shine
Their voices actually work really well together.
00:20:12
Conor
Yeah.
00:20:12
Nicole Shine
I wish they would have did like more stuff. I wish Mane were featured on other people's songs more, but whatever.
00:20:18
Conor
Yeah, for sure.
00:20:18
Nicole Shine
Yeah, for sure. right.
00:20:20
Conor
um Yeah, this one, like, again, back to what I said previously about listening to the album and with the windows down, like this is just like, Hey, I wrote a song about driving with the windows down at night.
00:20:32
Conor
And like the feeling of the song at the beginning and just driving in that guitar, it feels like you're driving on a country road where it's like real foggy.
00:20:33
Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm.
00:20:39
Nicole Shine
Feels like drive down a country road where it's like real foggy.
00:20:43
Conor
don't know if that's the same feeling you get or, but yeah, it just, yeah, you just totally,
00:20:43
Nicole Shine
I don't know if that's the same feeling you get, but yeah, it just, yeah, you just totally,
Defining Single Analysis
00:20:50
Conor
it takes you there, you know, for sure.
00:20:50
Nicole Shine
it takes you there, you know, for sure. All right, next up is Change, A House of Lives.
00:20:53
Conor
Alright, next up is Change in the House of Flies. This was, I think, there like the third single off this album.
00:20:57
Nicole Shine
This was, I think, the third single of this album.
00:21:01
Conor
The album's defining lead single, oh, maybe a lead single, uses the transformation of a human into a fly as a metaphor for emotional metamorphosis in the cold, often sadistic realization of how we view and manipulate the people we love.
00:21:02
Nicole Shine
The album's defining lead single.
00:21:19
Conor
Thoughts on change?
00:21:22
Nicole Shine
it's a I said I was going to start doing this on every album, didn't i
00:21:26
Conor
Yeah.
00:21:26
Nicole Shine
It's the radio song. The song for true.
00:21:31
Conor
That's true. That's true. I hear a single.
00:21:32
Nicole Shine
it it's ah It's obviously a good song. It is you know obviously a banger. obviously it's It was picked. you know It's the hit off the album for a reason.
00:21:43
Conor
oh yeah. Yeah.
00:21:44
Nicole Shine
um Good song. look no it's It's the radio song. It's what you would expect from the radio song.
00:21:48
Conor
yeah
00:21:51
Nicole Shine
But I said that's going to be a thing that I do every time from every album now, wheres ah where the obvious yeah where the obvious radio song is the radio song.
00:21:56
Conor
I mean, that's your thing. Yeah.
00:22:00
Nicole Shine
I started it last week with Jeff Buckley, and it's my new thing.
00:22:03
Conor
Yeah.
00:22:05
Nicole Shine
Whenever I get to the radio song on the album, I'm just to sing my little jingle.
00:22:09
Conor
Radio song.
00:22:09
Nicole Shine
It's a song for the radio.
00:22:12
Conor
Radio.
00:22:12
Nicole Shine
song
00:22:14
Conor
It's funny, too, because, like, this song was the song that was on every fucking soundtrack, you know?
00:22:16
Nicole Shine
the radio.
00:22:19
Nicole Shine
ah It was on so many freaking soundtracks.
00:22:22
Conor
Yep. It was annoying.
00:22:23
Nicole Shine
Especially in the early 2000s. Yeah,
00:22:26
Conor
Yep. yeah know Like Dracula 2000 and My Valentine or whatever.
00:22:31
Nicole Shine
yeah every like horror movie from the early 2000s is like...
00:22:32
Conor
Yeah. It was alright enough.
00:22:35
Nicole Shine
We get it.
00:22:36
Conor
No, I think Queen of the Damned. Yeah, yeah. But anyways. Yeah, I totally dig this album. The video is great too.
00:22:44
Nicole Shine
Yeah, it's a good video too.
00:22:45
Conor
Really good video. um But yeah, my my music snob would sometimes get out when I'm like, oh yeah. you Oh, you like left tones? Yeah, I do too. and What songs do you like?
00:22:56
Nicole Shine
ah change yeah Yeah, this is a lot of songs when people don't know other songs are there where they're like, yeah, this is change.
00:22:57
Conor
And they're like, oh, change. And I'm like, and? And they're like, change. And my music snob would be like, eh.
00:23:13
Conor
I love death tones.
00:23:13
Nicole Shine
earn Yeah, and it's kind of annoying.
00:23:14
Conor
Change.
00:23:17
Nicole Shine
Like,
00:23:17
Conor
Too bad they didn't do anything else. What happened to them?
00:23:19
Nicole Shine
um This guy I used to work with, you know the one, I'm not going mention his name, but um we went, we saw him, we added we went to see Deftone the concert, and I was talking about him at work, after about it, at work the next day at WeWork, and he was like, yeah, they didn't really play, I don't think they played this song at that concert, and um he was like, yeah, they didn't really play any any songs I know.
00:23:24
Conor
Yeah.
00:23:31
Conor
Yeah.
00:23:41
Conor
No, I don't think they did.
00:23:47
Nicole Shine
And I was like, they played a lot of their singles. What are you talking about? Like, they did, right?
00:23:51
Conor
Right?
00:23:51
Nicole Shine
They played a lot.
00:23:52
Conor
Yeah.
00:23:52
Nicole Shine
They played Diamond Eyes. They played the New Genesis.
00:23:54
Conor
Yeah, dude.
00:23:55
Nicole Shine
They played a lot of singles. And he was like, um he was like oh, they peaked with White Pony. was like, why? Because change is on there.
00:24:04
Conor
Right? Exactly.
00:24:05
Nicole Shine
And I'm kind of like, White Pony came out 20, at that time, it was like 20 years ago.
00:24:10
Conor
Yeah.
00:24:10
Nicole Shine
was like 2020.
00:24:12
Conor
Yeah.
00:24:12
Nicole Shine
I'm like, why would you go see a band if you only list, like, an album that they put out 20 years ago? But anyway, I digress.
00:24:19
Conor
No, totally. I get what you're saying. Like they've done other stuff.
00:24:21
Nicole Shine
Yeah. Yeah, like, they, why, I would not see, ah go see a band if they only released one album that only, like, 20 years ago. Like, it wasn't unless it was, like, a classic, you know, old school band and they haven't released any new music.
00:24:30
Conor
Right?
00:24:33
Conor
Yeah.
00:24:35
Nicole Shine
Like, why would you, but anyway.
00:24:37
Conor
Yeah, yeah. Anyways, we'll put a pin on that. Alright,
00:24:40
Nicole Shine
All right, soapbox off. Okay.
00:24:43
Conor
so last song, Pink Maggot. The brooding and atmospheric closing track. It serves as a precursor to Mini-Maggot dealing with maturation, shedding past versions of oneself, and waking up to the realities of life.
00:24:59
Conor
What's your thoughts on this one?
00:25:01
Nicole Shine
I really like this song. I like the way the album kind of loops around to itself. Yeah.
00:25:05
Conor
Yeah, yeah, totally.
00:25:06
Nicole Shine
And, um, This is actually the better version to me between Back to School and Pink Maggot.
00:25:12
Conor
Really?
00:25:13
Nicole Shine
I like, actually like this one more. Because they use the same lyrics, but different like instrumentation.
00:25:16
Conor
Oh. Oh, yeah.
00:25:19
Nicole Shine
And the song is totally different, but with the same lyrics. And I actually prefer this the one to the Back to School.
00:25:29
Conor
Hype up back to school.
00:25:30
Nicole Shine
Yeah, but that's just me.
00:25:31
Conor
and
00:25:31
Nicole Shine
But yeah.
00:25:33
Conor
Oh, OK. Yeah. um No, this is like a perfect closer, and I thought the same. Like, the fact that it basically is like looping back to the beginning, you know, just one continuous loop.
00:25:42
Nicole Shine
Just one continuous loop. It's funny because I obviously have all the albums and kind of was at the height of playing guitar and stuff and learned how to play this whole album and play guitar.
00:25:45
Conor
It's funny, because I obviously bought all the albums, and I kind of was at the height of my playing guitar and stuff, and I learned how to play, like, this whole album on my guitar, and this song is actually the same chords as Back to School, just slower and more, like,
00:25:59
Nicole Shine
This song is actually the same chords Back School. It's slower and more like hitting each note as opposed to just banging away at it like Back to School is.
00:26:04
Conor
you know hitting each note as opposed to just banging away at it like back to school is um but yeah it's a
Personal Favorites Discussion
00:26:13
Conor
real good closer you know so all right so that was the white and cover version of white pony um all right so what's your favorite song
00:26:13
Nicole Shine
So. So that was White Money. Alright. So your favorite song?
00:26:27
Nicole Shine
Okay. for this one was a little hard. It was harder than I thought it was going to be.
00:26:30
Conor
right
00:26:33
Nicole Shine
I was going back and forth between Passenger and that song I can't pronounce. Fit. Fit.
00:26:40
Conor
Ferris area? Okay.
00:26:41
Nicole Shine
Fit. area
00:26:42
Conor
Yeah.
00:26:45
Nicole Shine
And surprisingly enough, I chose Faye Sera over Passenger.
00:26:49
Conor
Oh, wow.
00:26:50
Nicole Shine
I know, shocker. Because everybody's like, oh, you're such a main nerd, same, you're going to Passenger. um Yes, if Faye Sera wasn't here.
00:26:58
Conor
Yeah.
00:26:59
Nicole Shine
But that song, i don't know, it's just something about that song that I could listen to that song. Like, it never gets old. Like, Passenger never gets old for me either.
00:27:07
Conor
Yeah. Yep.
00:27:10
Nicole Shine
But I feel like it's the main nerd of it all.
00:27:12
Conor
Yeah.
00:27:13
Nicole Shine
If I'm going with just good Deftone song. Fist there. Like that song is so fucking good. Like. It never gets old.
00:27:22
Conor
Yeah.
00:27:23
Nicole Shine
It is always good. Like I could listen to that song like on repeat. For like three times in a row. It's that good.
00:27:29
Conor
Damn.
00:27:30
Nicole Shine
to me. So. um It's always been my favorite one on here. And it still is. So.
00:27:37
Conor
Nice. All right. Least favorite.
00:27:40
Nicole Shine
Elite.
00:27:41
Conor
Elite? Okay.
00:27:42
Nicole Shine
I just don't.
00:27:42
Conor
Yeah.
00:27:44
Nicole Shine
Like I said, I try listening to it in isolation out of, you know, just to say, okay, it's because it's between two songs I like that I don't like it, but I just don't like it.
00:27:54
Conor
Yeah. Is the other song Korea?
00:27:57
Nicole Shine
Yeah. um
00:27:58
Conor
Yeah.
00:27:59
Nicole Shine
But I just, I dislike this one a more than Korea. So I don't like this song at all. Like, it's a skip every time. So, yeah.
00:28:09
Conor
Okay. Gotcha. Um, that's funny. Uh, my favorite, I'm like with you, like it was harder than I thought.
00:28:20
Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm.
00:28:20
Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:28:20
Conor
Um, my younger self would have picked teenager.
00:28:24
Conor
Um, but after listening to the album for the past, like, you know, week getting ready for this, I was surprised to say that I think knife party is my favorite.
00:28:36
Nicole Shine
oh well
00:28:37
Conor
Yeah. And it's funny because back in the day, I i kind of laughed at the whole like part where the chick's wailing away. But now I'm just like, that song's amazing. So yeah, I would have to say Night Party.
00:28:51
Conor
It was tough, though. It was between that and like three others, three or four others.
00:28:55
Nicole Shine
It could have been Teenager could have been one for me too um Digital Bath could have been one for me But she has And I can't even pronounce the shit so it's funny That song number two second song um It's just so good to me I'm sorry
00:28:59
Conor
It's such a beautiful song. Yeah, Digital Bath as well.
00:29:09
Conor
I hear you. Yep. Number two.
00:29:14
Conor
You know, totally. My least favorite is, yeah, it's, it was a tie between elite or Korea and Korea is a little less than elite.
00:29:22
Nicole Shine
Yeah. Korea less So I'd have say Elite as well.
00:29:29
Conor
So I'd have to say elite as well.
00:29:31
Nicole Shine
Okay.
00:29:32
Conor
So yeah, we're both the same on that one.
00:29:33
Nicole Shine
yeah, both the same that. It's just not, like, they could have took that out and it would have been almost a perfect album.
00:29:34
Conor
All right.
00:29:37
Nicole Shine
like that good sometimes in the mood.
00:29:38
Conor
Like, I like that song.
00:29:40
Nicole Shine
I've better about not skipping song again.
00:29:40
Conor
It's a good song. And sometimes I am in the mood. I've gotten better about not skipping that song as I've gotten older. older But when I was younger and this album first came out, I almost always skipped it.
00:29:51
Nicole Shine
Yeah.
00:29:52
Conor
Yeah. Yeah. All right. So does it hold up?
00:29:55
Nicole Shine
Does it hold up?
00:29:59
Nicole Shine
Yeah. No, it does. it does
00:30:02
Conor
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:03
Nicole Shine
It's not dated at all. one One day we'll get to some albums that don't hold up. but yeah So far, we like even though we said we weren't going to...
00:30:07
Conor
Yeah, we will.
00:30:12
Nicole Shine
like We'll probably blow through all albums we like before we start getting the ones we don't like.
00:30:16
Conor
Yeah. I mean, eventually we're going to hit some, you know.
00:30:18
Nicole Shine
Eventually, we're gonna we yeah We're going to start getting some stinkers eventually.
00:30:20
Conor
Yeah.
00:30:21
Nicole Shine
but No, this album, this is their, to me, like I said, their best album. So I think a a band's best album is always going hold up.
00:30:32
Nicole Shine
Their worst album might not, but they I think their best album, For me, absolutely does.
00:30:36
Conor
Yeah. um For me, absolutely does.
00:30:38
Nicole Shine
This is fake, but I consider it a Step Fones light album my
00:30:39
Conor
you're go This is my take, but I consider this Deftones like white album in my mind.
00:30:47
Nicole Shine
Well, technically it is.
00:30:48
Conor
Yeah. Well, you know what I mean?
00:30:50
Nicole Shine
Yeah, I know what
00:30:50
Conor
Yeah. um And to anyone who doesn't know, Beatles had the white album and that's considered like, you know, amazing groundbreaking and everything because they took so many chances and, you know, it was very,
00:31:04
Conor
Everywhere, you know, musically, but it all worked. And I feel like Deftones really kind of stepped outside of them their mold, you know, with that they had in Adrenaline and around the fur.
00:31:16
Conor
And this one had a lot more dynamic, you know, so that's why I kind of...
00:31:16
Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm.
00:31:19
Nicole Shine
Mm-hmm. Yeah, for a lot of for a long time, I was like Around the Fur, you know, Around the Fur Superior.
00:31:25
Conor
Yeah.
00:31:27
Nicole Shine
Don't talk to me. Around the Fur Superior. And it's funny because I feel like, and why I say this one's better, because it just is objectively. Plus, I skip more songs on Around the Fur than I do on this album.
00:31:35
Conor
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:39
Nicole Shine
and it's still And I'm like, around but the songs that I like on Around the Fur, ah feel like I like more.
00:31:39
Conor
Really? Okay.
00:31:45
Conor
Yeah.
00:31:46
Nicole Shine
Than this, you know what I mean? Like if I was to go, if I was to go song for song that's so that's why I'm always like around the fur, but actually this is a way superior to around the fur.
00:31:47
Conor
Yeah, i hear you. Yeah.
00:31:55
Conor
Yeah, no, totally.
00:31:55
Nicole Shine
All right, so ratings.
00:31:56
Conor
I get that. Alright, so.
00:31:59
Nicole Shine
I'll go through the rating.
00:32:00
Conor
Yeah, you do that.
00:32:01
Nicole Shine
So on our rating scale, we go by skips. Um, zero skips is classic album, no note, I mean, a perfect album, no notes.
00:32:07
Conor
Yep. Yep. Yep.
00:32:13
Nicole Shine
Um, one skip is a mulligan, everyone gets one. Like a Spider-Man save, everybody gets one. Um, you know, sometimes the experiment just doesn't work on a song, but it's still pretty much perfect album.
00:32:26
Conor
yep
00:32:26
Nicole Shine
um Two skips is classic. Still so above most albums. um Three skips is good. yeah good Four skips is mid.
00:32:41
Nicole Shine
Five skips is trash. And six...
00:32:44
Conor
No. Five his ass.
00:32:45
Nicole Shine
Oh, I'm sorry. Five is ass. Sorry. Ass. Five is ass and six plus skips is trash. Um... And then for any double albums, just double the number.
00:32:58
Nicole Shine
So what could put it
00:32:58
Conor
Yeah. So what would you put it on album ranking?
00:33:02
Nicole Shine
would put this as a classic. Yeah, me too.
00:33:05
Conor
Yeah, me too.
00:33:07
Nicole Shine
Album, because I'm definitely skipping the lead. And if I'm being honest, I'm going to skip Korea too. So on our scale, that would give it a classic. are
00:33:18
Conor
We are totally alike on that, which I'm not surprised.
00:33:20
Nicole Shine
totally following Because that's the yeah.
00:33:22
Conor
Yeah, because I said Elite in Korea and I was like, they're great songs, just not always in the mood for those ones when I listen to the album, you know?
00:33:22
Nicole Shine
Because I said be...
00:33:31
Nicole Shine
Yeah.
00:33:32
Conor
So, all right. Well, that'll do it for another edition of the Glenwoods Music Club. If this week's album sounds like something you'd be interested in or want to revisit, if you already know about it, we recommend giving it a listen or re-listen for yourself and see how it ranks in your eyes.
00:33:51
Nicole Shine
Yeah. Any album that we we rank good or better
00:33:56
Conor
Yeah.
00:33:56
Nicole Shine
Yeah, check out. cause Yeah.
00:33:59
Conor
For sure, because that's the whole point of this, you know?
00:33:59
Nicole Shine
see you Yeah, do yourself a favor and check it out. um
00:34:03
Conor
There's just so much good music out there in the world.
00:34:04
Nicole Shine
And so far ah so far, this was is our fourth.
00:34:08
Conor
Yeah, I believe so.
00:34:08
Nicole Shine
yeah um And they've all been at least a good for both of us. So, yeah, make sure you check them out.
00:34:15
Conor
For sure.
00:34:15
Nicole Shine
You know, and see if you agree.
00:34:15
Conor
Yeah.
00:34:18
Nicole Shine
um Also, we'll be back. um we i know we're a little late with this one it was a rough week at work for me a very very rough week um but we will be back sometime this weekend with the movie um and next week we'll be back with my pick i'm about 90 of what i want to do
00:34:26
Conor
Yeah, it was a tough week for Nikki, for sure.
00:34:34
Conor
Yep.
00:34:41
Conor
Okay.
00:34:41
Nicole Shine
um So I'm curious if Connor will have the same opinions on on that one. All these will good.
00:34:49
Conor
No, these will be good. It's like, I like that that we listen to each other's, you know, albums that we pick and just, yeah, it's good conversation, good dissection.
00:34:56
Nicole Shine
Yeah.
00:34:59
Conor
so
00:34:59
Nicole Shine
um All right. So we'll see you guys next time.
00:35:01
Conor
All right. Well, yep.
00:35:02
Nicole Shine
Yep.
00:35:03
Conor
Until then, thanks for listening and we'll catch you next week.
00:35:03
Nicole Shine
Until thanks And you next right.
00:35:07
Conor
Bye.