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213: The Contestant: The Murder of Ruth Thalia Sayas Sanchez
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Hey cryptic crew, we return with Kelsey's Peru true crime case pick, the case of Ruth Thalia and the game show The Value of the Truth. Should have probably called it, the truth hurts and yes, it's a rough one.
A popular game show had just premiered in Peru for the first time, having been successful in many other countries already. The nature of the game is asking the contestant many questions before the show, picking some of the most gotcha questions in the show. Designed to embarrass the person, or at least cause some drama, it sparked anger in some until her very life was taken.
This tragic story is the first of our 2-part Peru double-feature, it ran long and so did Alanna's so that will be dropping within the week for you beautiful people! As always more bonus episodes available on Patreon.com for the low price of 2$ at our starting tier. We just put out a Missing Persons May bonus.
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Introduction and Podcasting Challenges
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dark cast network indie pods with the dark side
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You are listening to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck. And I'm your host, Alanna. And I'm Kelsey.
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i was just proud I got that one out without tripping over it this time. I was wondering if that's what you were trying to do. I remembered I had a trouble with our intro line the other day.
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Oh, that's funny. Anyway.
Recording Anecdotes and Eye Care Stories
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been doing this for a while guys yeah we know what we're doing and sometimes we don't know what we're doing for our next topic and that takes us 20 extra minutes to start recording but i know o that's okay we cut off the chat i didn't even let kelsey tell me too much about her day trip and anything Yeah.
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oh We're like, we're tired. No. Just kidding. But yeah, I'm kind of tired. Like I said, even though I didn't work, I still had to get up and get driven to the South side to go to my ophthalmologist.
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And then yeah, Pat had to drive me home because I said they had to give me the what's it called? Mr. Burns because there's an episode of the Simpsons where the X-Files Mulder and Scully come to town because there's a supposed alien but it's actually just Mr. Burns after he gets his like annual whole like rehaul checkup and they dilate his eyes and they and cork his knees I don't know and then he's just wandering around like glowing and going I bring you love it's just like dilated I've been cracked like a glow stick oh yeah and you're like pupil so big you look like you're on crack or cracked out on something
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um It was bad too. Yeah. It was like, oh, I didn't bring a hat. My sunglasses are still in car. And so like I was waiting inside the building because it was just too bright to even go outside. It hurt my eyes too much. I was like, I can't.
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i I haven't had my eyes dilated too too much. They've done it a couple times when I've had like iritis because it kind of happens near the back of your eye. So they've done. okay I've had it a few different times in like just a bit and like each eye or like one eye a little bit more but I've I've always been able to still like drive home or yeah at least drive with like one of my eyes closed if I feel like my depth perception is like a little wonky
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but yeah they were they were blurry enough that like i was like oh i can't like concentrate on words very well but though then i could kind of like take my glasses off and then yeah maybe squint a little and could focus on something on my phone now oh geez yeah it's a weird feeling for sure it is because you're like i like my vision is blurry but i am not intoxicated sober as a judge you're like what is happening yeah anyway sorry um
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Yeah. I don't need bifocals yet. Never even had that come into the conversation before, but I'm getting to that age. Oh no. Well, she wanted to do the dilation. I don't know. Something about double checking that like the prescription or whatever their tests were saying wasn't off because eye strain can make it the breathing seem off or what. I don't know. Yeah.
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I had that for a while. One of my... Yeah. One pair of glasses I had like a few pairs back, I guess. the um They read my one eye wrong and that, so it was, yeah, it was like overcorrected my one eye. oh no, that's probably not good.
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Yeah, I guess it kind of messed me up. Damn. Yeah, that was a few pairs of glasses ago, so Yeah, well, I can get new glasses now.
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athlete least that's At least that comes out of it. Because was wow, this is a really long wait. And then they like put more drops in my eyes and told me to sit there with my eyes closed. It's so weird. People are walking in and out. I wasn't even in like, you know, the final waiting room when you're like in the little rooms where the doctor sees you. I was just like more like an inner waiting room. I was just like, oh my God.
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but This is. Oh, that's weird. It was kind of weird. I don't know.
Introduction to 'The Value of the Truth' and Contestant's Story
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Huh? Yeah, i I want to get my eyes checked. at some point in the next year or so and then i would love to uh what i want to do is get another pair of glasses and then a couple fun pairs of sunglasses yeah because order my glasses through clearly oh they're pretty good yeah and zenny too sponsor us uh and the last time i looked at clearly i talked myself
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Well, not when I got these glasses, but when I got the first ones through them, I talked myself out of, um, cause I was buying the transition. So i was like, Oh, you don't need sunglasses. Cause I got those like nice Ray-Bans that were transition lenses.
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Right. Right. It's so nice to have multiple pairs though. Yeah. you don't need to, you don't need to get sunglasses. No, I convinced myself not to get like heart shaped sunglasses that were like pink and like polarized and crazy looking and I've been thinking about them it's been like 10 years um they're haunting you um all the time yeah i feel like I would totally like pull off almost anything with your face shape though couldn't you yeah I have like a very round face so I feel like anything would
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be fun that i want to get like round like like in john lennon oh yeah like sunglasses the buddy there when i was trying also super polarized oh yeah yeah it's like that last i was it was there last week of my eye doctor for the annual checkup because she's like a specialist and then yeah when i came back and i was trying on glasses and the guy there was like very honest. He's like, no, not those ones too round for your face. Makes your face look rounder. but i was like, okay, yeah. I do tend to go for like more kind of rectangular ones and horn rims just look weird. Like, no, no, no, no. no
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That's my thing now is the last, uh, the last pairs of glasses now I've had are all like the bigger, like lenses like I had the Ray-Bans those were pretty big these ones were a little bit shorter but still like pretty big area and I just I don't know I'm kind of over them hitting my cheeks all the time and stuff it really wasn't style yeah yeah when you think out about something a bit smaller that makes sense yeah because it just drives me crazy all the time now yep and then you gotta decide you want with the iPads or not or just the plastic Len like yeah without the iPad yeah whatever anyway so would you welcome to eyeglasses talk with Kelsey and Len this is her podcast now it's okay I heard Amy Poehler on her podcast and she's like I use a sleep apnea machine if she could own it and have a laugh about it I'm like they told me el you know i have to check you make sure you don't need like bifocals because we're getting to that age you're like oh great this is it because you're old yeah yeah
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am i perimenopausal how early is that shit happening now if freaking um what you would call it happens so early when you're a preteen and you go through um hormones my brain isn't braining yeah that very well could move up and like oh it doesn't happen to you in your 50s anymore it's like your 40s i think so yeah
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Yeah. anywhere oh Exactly. i know. And then sometimes you have to make a million appointments all at once. You're like the eye doctor, the dentist, the haircut, all these things. You're like, ugh.
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Anyway. It's hard adulting. Bring down the mood.
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i know I'm going to. that's ah Oh, let's bring down. Oh, okay. I was like, oh, no, I thought thought we' were were just whining. inventing i no i see what you're saying yeah true crime time yes we're doing this will be interesting i i hope you haven't heard of this case i had never heard of it uh it might be pretty popular in like peru i know i saw a couple podcasts pop up that have covered it like quite a few of them but okay okay i feel like i can't think of any specific peru true crime cases right so yeah know um
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Yeah, there's a lot. I mean, my notes ended up being like six and a half pages, which is about a page and a half, at least more than I normally do. And I cut out quite a bit. There's like a lot more you could get into from this.
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I ended up looking up stuff from a few different sources, but really the biggest source i ended up using that I almost needed to like use almost nothing else that's nice I love a thick like juicy source yeah just amazingly well done gotcha so that's yeah um and that was it's like story.californiasunday.com
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oh they're yeah it's not even like didn't even seem like a local Peru thing. um But their their article was titled The Contestant because it does have like the kind of game show reality show gone wrong aspect to it. So there's a lot to um get into with this one because... The Contestant?
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Sounds like a book I would read. I'd pick that. That's a good title. I'd pick that off the shelf. Right? Yeah, it's great. I'm drawn in already.
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Yeah. And I've never heard of this show before. I guess there's a whole bunch of variations of it around the world. Oh. um So I'll get into that first and then we'll talk about like the case specifically because obviously this reality like game show I don't know the family says it it isn't really related I personally feel like what happened wouldn't have happened without the game show like being a catalyst for uh okay yeah so they were like maybe not on some like
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survivor peru equivalent but some sort of no this is like a weird show and i mean there's nothing against some game shows like i don't know shows i can think of that like my family like to watch like some of the more hokey ones like um do you remember minute to win it like stupid oh yeah uh it was popular like 10 years ago where stuff like that like oh yeah sure you're doing like a silly little like Right.
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Game. all innocent. For like as a team with your family or whatever. But I feel like it's the game shows that are designed like this.
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um Where they're slightly more sinister and i maybe not as good. Like I view that as like a totally separate game show than something like this. This show is... It has many names around the world, I guess, but the in Peru, believe, hold on, let me double check.
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Oh, in Peru, it was called The Moment of Truth. oh it's interesting. Okay. Yeah. Another super common name was Nothing But the Truth.
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So help you God. Okay. And this came out when?
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ah It rolled out in different countries, different years, but it's all like the early Oh, okay. was going to say, the yeah, early early reality TV, really, that is a a whole true crime topic in itself.
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Certainly something bad for people's mental health. A lot of it. This one I honestly with... um Like, I obviously didn't look up a bunch of different episodes of the show to find out, like, how these episodes normally go. i didn't watch, what, the 47 countries that... All of their variations of the show. but Down a rabbit hole with all the extracurriculars you could find related to anything to do with the case. Yeah, no.
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guess the to I guess the show, it's a game show. It was created by Howard Schultz, an American TV producer and owner of, oh and this is super ironic, the owner of Lighthearted Entertainment.
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Oh boy. If you gotta call it that already, Redfield.
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It first aired in Colombia but expanded to 47 countries and also airs in most of those countries under the name The Moment of Truth.
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And this is all from their Wikipedia, by the way. The format of the show is pretty similar with maybe slight variations. But for the most part, there's a host and a contestant who's like the only contestant.
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And that person is asked on, like it's pre-recorded, but they're asked in front of a live studio audience um and like family members who are on stage, I guess, with them, a series of 21 increasingly personal and embarrassing questions. And they have to answer these questions honestly. and then if they make it to the end, they win cash.
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So already the format is a little... Designed to embarrass you and seems like something you should do as as a drinking game. Like, never have I ever. Yeah.
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So like already i mentioned like Minute to Win It. That's like, oh, cute little like, I don't know. Party games almost. Activities. Yeah. Yeah. um Where this is like, okay, it's designed and almost like rigged because...
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The questions for this episode specifically I find are horrific. They should... I can't imagine them okaying, like, to do this. It's fucking insane to me, I'll be honest. So like I said, I don't know what happens in the other episodes um in the other 47 countries that do these this, like, variation of game show. But, like, my god...
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It's basically like Jerry Springer level shit of like, let's make the craziest
Controversial Questions and Media Impact
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thing. And like, um the one of the craziest things is that prior to the episode, the contestant is hooked up to a polygraph and is asked between 50.
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Oh my god. is remind It was giving polygraph, let's say, yeah. Even though I hate people say it's giving this. Yeah.
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So they're hooked up to a polygraph. They're asked between 50 80 questions. um And they're pretty personal questions without knowing the results of the polygraph.
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um So they like do that set up before the taping. It like happens. I don't exactly know, like maybe a few days before at least. But then the contestant who has to like, I assume, re-agree to like continue with the show after they're asked those questions. Then they bring their families out and...
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like out to the taping and everything. And that contestant is then asked 21 out of those 50 to 80 questions they were already asked. They're asked them again in front of their family and the studio audience. So they're not new questions. They've already answered the questions. They know what questions they could be asked. Yeah. Like they know all the questions they could be asked, but obviously they're going to ask The ones that had the most dramatic answer were results. The um most gotcha, gotcha questions, yeah. Yeah.
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Oh So they're asked those same questions again on air, and if the ah contestant answers honestly and it's confirmed by what they said in the polygraph, they move on to the next question. And the person at any point may stop before any question or like after a question and they can walk away with whatever money they've like accumulated up until that point. They don't lose it all.
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okay But they have to agree after every question to keep going. And then honestly answering all 21 questions means you win the jackpot. And if the contestant is found at any point to be lying or it like contradicts their polygraph, um When they answered that, I guess, they lose everything and the game is over.
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dear. So that's the only way they can lose is to lie. so yeah. They just might lose all their loved ones. Yeah. Or maybe they answer truthfully and they lose all their loved ones. and Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like...
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Exactly. So that's like the format of all of these shows. So they get asked a bunch of questions that are like some impersonal, some very personal.
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And then they aren't asked any new show new questions live on, or not live, um during the taping. But they obviously are asked pretty personal questions, which we'll get into. Let's. So...
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Yeah, that's like the bit of background. So the moment of truth arrived in Lima, Peru in mid 2012. um It already had aired different variations starting in the US, I guess, sometime between 2008 and 2009. And by around 2012, like dozens of ah other countries had also jumped on board and were airing similar shows.
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ah In Peru, it was called the value of the truth. Okay.
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Yeah. Also, so it has like a couple different values, the value of the truth and the format was the same as most the most other places where the contestant is asked a series of questions ranging from like boring, random questions to like uncomfortable. And others bordering or described as bordering on cruel, all well hooked up to a polygraph.
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Answers are cataloged. And then a few days later, the contestant is brought back this time before a studio audience and asked some of the questions again.
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Um, so getting into, because this does play a factor, uh, the show's host in Peru, his name is Beto Ortiz.
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Okay. okay Um, I just keep calling him Beto, but he's very famous, I guess. He,
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ah Yeah, I guess there was a national poll that named him as the country's most powerful TV journalist. um He's very famous there. It's crazy. um The article i got most of my information from described him as a balding, heavyset man in his 40s. Nice. know Said Beto has long been one of the more successful and controversial figures in Peru.
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Okay. Okay.
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said he's unlike anyone else on the air and it said today in lima you need only say veto and everyone knows whom you're talking about like geraldo he can be one named yeah yeah yeah oh my god yeah uh so that brings us to the episode in question which is
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Sadly, i don't know. It's just crazy. It was the show's first ever contestant. Okay, and in this incarnation or whatever. Yeah, the very, very first episode, which is like insane. And if it wasn't, I didn't find anything on to contradict saying it wasn't the first episode. So yeah, it's crazy that this is what they decided to do is the first go around.
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ah So this... I can hear you Gordo. Are you scratching? and So the show's first contestant was Ruth Talia Sayas Sanchez.
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Which I'll be calling her Ruth Talia because that's what most of the things said. And she was a... Yeah. She was a 19 year old girl who grew up in the outskirts of Lima, Peru.
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And she was raised in a working class area called Hachupa. I'm not too sure. um But it was an area that the article described as like transitioning from a more agricultural and like farming to like more of like urban future. So yeah, there was stuff about like, oh yeah, on like the sides of the street you would see like piles of bricks and stuff and like of just like stuff so much actively going on, but then there'd like be abandoned stuff and it used to be more of like farming area. Oh, okay. It was getting a little bit more like town or city-like.
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Town, yeah. Country folk to city folk. um So Ruth Talia had told Beto, host, um on air that she longed for something better.
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um and it said that Beto seemed unimpressed with Ruth Talia. said at a later point um that she seemed average and pretty, but nothing special.
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Like, didn't really notice anything about her. Yeah. Okay. And you were described as a heavyset balding man, so... Yeah.
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So take that. Are you a little jealous maybe? Yeah. Wow. ah When the cameras began to roll, I guess something in her changed.
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ah said she became seemingly more confident and brightened even becoming playful and like joking around with Beto like on stage um her sister Eva said she liked being on television and like seemed to like I don't know when they started rolling it was like her personality changed I guess oh wow okay yeah um So I do have some like passages I quoted directly from the article.
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Passages. Because see yeah they just had such good like write-ups for like the context and the formatting of the show that I didn't want to change ah like certain parts of it. Like this one, saying part of the rules was that every contestant was to bring on three guests. And Ruth Talia selected her parents, Leoncio and Vilma.
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And I work with somebody named Vilma. I love that name. So cute.
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cute. And her father, Leoncio, seemed worried from the onset. Because they do like a little interview thing with like the family members that get brought up.
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So her dad said, I'm afraid of what... Her dad said, I'm afraid of what I might learn about my daughter. oh That's what he told Beto when he...
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when he was introduced on camera, Vilma herself was a little more optimistic. and I guess her parents had in Andean pop band that often performed um in the capital.
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Vilma sang and Leoncio played the harp. Oh. So they had like a little band, which I thought was weird. That's literally the only time it's talked about. So.
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Aw, they're musical. Yeah. But her mom, as far as she knew, said, or as far as like what she knew about the show was what her daughter had told her.
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um And she thought that Beto was going to be asking her questions about their arrival in Lima because they had like moved and asking about how the family had survived those first few years in the capital and that they had been selling watermelon and pineapple in the market.
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And also about the days when the girls only spoke Kucha. one of Peru's indigenous languages, and they got bullied at school for it.
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So like her mom thought it was going to be more of like a thing about celebrating where the family came from and everything and questions about that than what it ended up being.
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Yeah, bit more wholesome of an idea. Yeah. What it was. Yeah. Um, yeah, it said that the family, or like Vilma thought these like things were really satisfying memories for her. She thought her and her husband had worked hard through difficult circumstances and thought that they, though they never had a lot of money, their two daughters um were studying at a local university.
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And um yeah, like before, since they had migrated and everything. So that's what she thought more so of the show was going to be about. A-A-A. Okay.
00:29:19
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Yeah. ah So that's, so she brought her parents, but she gets to bring a third person, and the third person she selects is this guy, he's described as handsome, and a timid young man named Brian Romero Leiva.
00:29:38
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he heard at years old he drove
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and had grown up down the road from Ruth to Leah. So like they had known each other a while. it like a motorcycle with a taxi or something? Something. Some sort of like motorized taxi thing.
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ah Nice. Like what? Yeah. i So Brian, he was described by his mother, Mary, but with like an E.
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as helpful and kind. He would go in the morning to help her sell breakfast plates to the workers at different markets at dawn. So like they'd be out there first thing in the morning selling breakfast plates to people um getting ready to go to work.
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And at the time of the episode taping, Brian was just living a few minutes away from his mother's house in a room he had rented from a neighbor. And Yeah, so that's what her how his mom described him. Ruth Talia's family, or specifically her mom, felt differently about Brian. She said she didn't know why, but she hated that kid. Wow. Okay.
00:30:56
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Yeah, didn't like the boyfriend. Yeah, shocker. Yeah, so Brian also got like a little intro in the beginning of the episode. Yeah.
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He was described as seeming to be nervous and full of anxiety. um Even Beto pointed out, you seem nervous. What are you so nervous about? ah my god Brian responded that she may have cheated on me. and I guess everyone laughed, including Ruth Talia.
00:31:27
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And Beto, the host, paused and so reminded everybody, like, let's not forget that this is just a game. Like. Sure. For you.
00:31:38
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yeah So getting into the questions. Yes, let's. Like I said, they start off, they start off not too bad, but are still, I mean, not ones wouldn't necessarily want to admit to your parents.
00:31:53
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Otherwise, why are we, like, anyone would go on there and just, like, they, yeah, what was your dog's name growing up? You know, like, they'd be like, fuck yeah, i'll answer all these questions. Like, who cares?
00:32:04
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Yeah. Um, so I guess this is what the article had included in the questions. Again, I didn't watch the episode, but, um, questions included, have you ever skipped school without your mother's knowledge? Uh, if you found, yeah um, if you found a thousand souls, um,
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which oh they're the currency i think right yeah it's not very much because 15 000 souls is almost six thousand dollars u.s i think so like a thousand souls is not very much maybe a hundred bucks um sure sure sure yeah yeah found like a hundred bucks would you return them and as the answers were revealed ruth talia's parents laughed along with everyone else No, she wouldn't return the money. Yes, she had skipped school.
00:32:57
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The producer of the show, um the producer of the show named David Navoa later admitted he felt bad, revealing that he had actually been the one to ask Ruth Talia her initial interview questions. And he obviously knew what was on the way and what were her responses were going to be or should be if she wanted them to match.
00:33:23
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The afternoon of the taping, he was in control in the control booth, I guess, whispering into an earpiece that Beto had, um saying, I knew it was going to be a surprise and that ah and a shameful moment for them, meaning like the family. Yeah.
00:33:44
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Yeah. After the first few initial minutes and questions, they started turning darker. and the public who had next to no experience with reality television. Like this is ah like 2012 and they didn't get American reality TV there. Like they didn't really know okay what it was like. So they were like enthralled the crowd that was like at the taping were enthralled with like oh my god like someone's just like imagine not knowing a jerry springer episode and then you're seeing people fist fight on stage and yeah never seen a jenny jones yeah yeah but like do we know what the first question was or sorry sorry i'm like so i need to know what these questions are and The questions like to start out were the have you skipped school? What would you do if you had a hundred dollars? Those were like the initial ones.
00:34:44
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Sorry, you're right. ya um Yeah, so they. ah Yeah, within a matter of minutes, the questions turned darker and the public who had no experience with reality television was enthralled as this teenager, a 19 year old girl recklessly started revealing these secrets to an entire country.
00:35:06
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um Because it was going to be broadcast on national television later, all for the sake of some money. um Yeah, this is where it gets like crazy because I don't understand what the intention of this would be other than to just humiliate somebody.
00:35:22
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ah can't stand it. You're edging us so hard, Kelsey.
00:35:29
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ah Ruth Talia revealed that she had had a nose job, that she didn't like her body. Oh no. Oh, that's sad. Yeah, it gets worse. She revealed that she wished she was white, that she only was with her boyfriend. They asked her she'd be don't know what the I don't know what the context of some of these answers are, but yeah, she revealed she had had a nose job, she didn't like her body, that she wished she was white, that she was only with her boyfriend until someone better came along, that she
00:36:05
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yeah that's Yeah, that's rough. That's bad. And he's right there like, yeah, cool, cool, cool, cool. Yeah, it gets worse. um She was ashamed of her parents' manners, that she had lied about working at a call center, and that she was actually a dancer at a nightclub.
00:36:27
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Ugh, Jesus. um Really? As Ruth Talia. Yeah. As Ruth Talia answered, her parents and her boyfriend Brian sat on stage, and over the course of this hour, they became described as defeated. Vilma was all but begging her daughter to stop.
00:36:48
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Brian was too stunned to say more than a few sentences, and at one point admitting that while he loved Ruth Talia, he didn't want to hear anymore. Like, just stop. Yeah.
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Yeah.
00:37:03
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Ruth Talia carried on. ah Did she think Brian was handsome? ah Yes. Is he smart? More or less. Does he have a good heart? Yes.
00:37:14
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That one she replied yes without question. To which the upon audience applauded.
00:37:23
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Just lie, girl! No, when you're doing the polygraph. Step on a tack! Oh my god. um So this is question 18 out of 21. So she's near the end. Have you ever accepted money for sex?
00:37:42
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There's the kicker. ah Vilma bent over in her seat and Ruth Talia answered yes. And the show's an answer who I guess this whole thing, like after each answer she gives, there's like this robotic, um like,
00:37:56
Speaker
disembodied voice like announcer thing that comes over and is like the answer is truthful or something like that like yeah so it as it said that um yeah the robotic voice called out the answer is true um there was a long like dead silence and ruth just started explaining saying she just did it twice and that the family had needed money and they were in a bad situation and that it hadn't happened since and it wouldn't happen again Wow, this is just straight up slut shaming.
00:38:29
Speaker
or like, you know, it's it's not good. They know what they're doing. Yeah. For this, like question, the 18th question out of 21, Ruth won 15,000 souls or about $5,700. Again, i think that's the US. Which at the time was almost 10 months wages for somebody living in Lima.
00:38:52
Speaker
So, get paid in a year almost. Like, no wonder you do some sex work on the side. it aren't you, you know, like now she's having to do this stuff. And it's the same kind of shit where you're like, you know, you're exposing yourself in a way. You're being vulnerable. Is this any better? Is this any worse? Yeah. You're putting yourself out there, prostituting your secrets. I don't know. Like, Jesus.
00:39:18
Speaker
Yeah. So stupid. um Yeah. So... uh, Beto asked if she wanted to continue towards what would end up being a $50,000, uh, or a $50,000 sold jackpot. So she was only at $15,000 for question 18 out of 21, which is crazy to me. If the jackpot is $50,000, you're not even halfway there and you only have two questions or three questions left to answer. What were yeah those was three questions going to be if your fucking 18th one was if she'd ever had sex for money?
00:39:53
Speaker
What the fuck else did you ask her that was worse than that? That's my question. Like who wants to be a millionaire? and of does I know. But like if if that wasn't your ending question, what the fuck else was she like you guys setting her up? Because it wasn't going to go downhill. It was just going to get worse. So what else were you going to ask her?
00:40:14
Speaker
it was going to be who was your worst fuck and who was the best in bed? Because that's the direction they're headed. Yeah, like just brutal. That's all I can think about is what else did they ask her that was worse than that? Yeah. um Yeah. So before she responded, Ruth Talia said she was sorry for all of this, um saying, quote, ah my mother, my father, my brother and sister are the most beautiful thing in the world to me. I love them with all my heart.
00:40:48
Speaker
And then she continued, Brian, forgive me for making you go through this. And with that, she announced that she was done. And like she wanted to stop and the audience started cheering.
00:40:59
Speaker
ah Beto, the host, said the truth is always illuminating. It will do no harm, even though it hurts. Right.
00:41:11
Speaker
Not to you you telling you Yeah, you'll be fine. You're just the host. uh ruth talia i guess like as the credits were rolling ruth talia was hugging brian but his face was like registering nothing he was just like in shock um the credits kept rolling and she got down on her knees before her mother and father and were begging for forgiveness that's like fucking awful again this is the first episode of this like the
00:41:44
Speaker
and I don't know if it's the first one they taped or it was the first one that aired, but holy shit. Yeah, my I don't know. It seems misogynistic. youre like would would You know what I mean? like If it was a man, would they be like, well, whatever, it's just a little sex work or you're just a little bit slutty or whatever, you know, just ah so gross.
00:42:10
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um Yeah, so the episode had been taped in June and it was set to air on Saturday, July 12, 2012.
00:42:17
Speaker
um But this month of waiting wasn't easy for the Sayas Sanchez family. it described The article described them as being shattered. Vilma was moody and confused and the dad, Leoncio, he was distant.
00:42:33
Speaker
They didn't understand why Ruth Talia had done the show. um and when they asked her about it i guess she was very direct saying she had done it for the money like she didn't care what they thought about it she'd done it for the money and then she had fantasized about being famous and she had actually in the past even auditioned for different soap operas and other game shows and this just happened to be the one that she got selected for right Yeah. and They didn't seem to care before they went home, but then like her mother was under a different impression of what it was too. Yeah. And that's what I guess her daughter had told her me they would be talking about.
00:43:16
Speaker
But yeah. Um, and obviously, or there was a different side to why she wanted the money. More practical reason was that she did have plans to use the money to open like a salon. um She had already saved the equivalent of about $7,000 and had now got about another $5,700 from the show. So she had saved like more up herself working towards her dream of opening a salon than she even ended up earning from the show. Like obviously if she kept going on the show, she would have gotten a lot more.
00:43:51
Speaker
But what she walked away with was actually less than she already had saved. Yeah. so she sounds quite responsible. She did have something. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and she was only 19. Keep that in mind. too Oh, good Lord.
00:44:05
Speaker
Not, not doing the smartest shit at 19. That's for sure. no who is? You're doing what feels good. Um, yeah. So if the family thought that month of waiting before the episode aired was bad, just wait until the episode airs. Yeah. And everything changed.
00:44:28
Speaker
On the outside, things seemed to be doing not bad. The show was an obvious ratings hit. ah Taking over the number one spot ah from like this, these other reality things and like whatever for like 18 weeks straight.
00:44:47
Speaker
They were celebrating in boardrooms. um But as you said it's before her episode aired or no?
00:44:58
Speaker
No, this is after her episode aired. Okay. No, the episode's aired now. um Celebrations in the boardroom, they're popping champagne. They even invite Ruth Talia to come get photographed with, like, different executives from the, like, station where it was recorded. And they're all grinning and holding an oversized check.
00:45:23
Speaker
And that gets splashed across the cover of every newspaper across the Capitol. They're just, she's like the newest celebrity. Everybody knows who she is and what happened. And it's all anybody can talk about.
00:45:37
Speaker
For 24 hours. or Yeah, no, I'm just kidding. yeah Yeah. But all the attention came at a cost. The neighborhood that was described as a hellhole for gossip, according to her father. um Yeah, everyone had seen the show They had relatives that they hadn't seen in years calling to say how ashamed they were.
00:45:58
Speaker
And, yeah. I guess Ruth Talia wasn't really able to leave the house anymore. And she had even told her mom that she had had thoughts of suicide like since the episode aired.
00:46:15
Speaker
no. Yeah. So, like, I can imagine it's not great. it feels like maybe this wasn't think of like country to do it in like maybe their culture just isn't like you know i mean can go to a muslim country be like let's do this freaking reality show where you get shamed like even 2008 2000 well no that's when it was in was like a different time yeah but yeah crazy
00:46:47
Speaker
um so brian the boyfriend he was i guess experiencing his own sort of hell um i guess peru according to the article has like a pretty big like macho culture um so when he went out he was getting like taunted and made fun of um yeah i even saw a thing that said he had been walking down the street and got like um ended up having to run inside of a store because a busload of children were harassing him or something i was what yeah seriously dumb
00:47:28
Speaker
so
00:47:31
Speaker
uh yeah so he ended up for his part he was like going to the station that recorded the show with his uncle who was studying a law degree and they were demanding compensation because like he wasn't able to work either just from being in the show and yeah um this was just a few weeks after the episode aired Brian was got interviewed by, no i can't remember if this was the station or not, um but during that interview he said he was ashamed, all the things he had learned on that show, and he was like avoiding eye contact with the camera. They asked him how do you feel,
00:48:11
Speaker
um and then saying but if, or but they say that if you love someone you can forgive them. He said that depends on what they did and He said that the things she said that day I can't forgive.
00:48:26
Speaker
um But there is like another layer to this whole thing which I don't know I'll go back and forth on because in another interview that Brian did not too long after the episode aired he claimed that it had all been like a setup.
00:48:43
Speaker
saying that him and Ruth Talia had actually broken up months before and that she had asked him to be a part of the show as a favor. um so they weren't actually like dating or anything, I guess. according Okay.
00:48:59
Speaker
Maybe he's just saying that. Yeah. He had said that she had asked him to pretend to be her boyfriend, to go on the show and that she would share the money with him.
00:49:12
Speaker
um he said he'd agreed but it had no idea what the show was going to be like kind of like what her mom said i didn't know what the context of the show was going to be just that there was going to be money at the end um but after the episode had taped and everything weeks had passed and he had not gotten any money he also claimed that the producers on the show had been aware that the they were no longer together like they weren't actually dating but that the producers of the show had like played up that they were boyfriend girlfriend even though they knew that wasn't true well i mean a certain amount of reality tv is sort of scripted or faked or whatever you know yeah
00:49:56
Speaker
edited certainly in such a way yeah i don't know exactly when this was but i guess someone had broke into the say as sanchez home uh and stolen ruth talia's laptop um the family obviously assumed it was brian but they didn't have any proof and when confronted about it brian denied it and the dad uh leoncia early on cio um He filed a police report about it, but they couldn't really do anything about it.
00:50:31
Speaker
And then September 11, 2012, just eight weeks after the episode aired. The world ended. Leontio. No, just kidding. Fucking might be easier if it did.
00:50:46
Speaker
Just kidding. We know that's not what the Mayan calendar really was saying.
00:50:52
Speaker
It's the end of an Sorry. Leoncio and Vilma went to bed after watching the World Cup qualifying match between Peru and Argentina. Of course they were. Uh...
00:51:06
Speaker
When they woke up, they noted that Ruth Talia was not at home. um She was like a university student, but um she had never not come home before. um So they called her sister, Ava, who was out of town, but she hadn't heard from her. So they started calling around to Ruth Talia's friends and And they managed to reach a guy um who had seen Rutalia and said that she had gotten a call from Brian and had maybe gone to meet up with him.
00:51:38
Speaker
Of course. Yeah. Sorry. They confronted Brian and Vilma said, like, at his house, Vilma said she dropped to her knees, like, at the door and begged him to give her back.
00:51:55
Speaker
Brian was described as being unmoved and said that he hadn't spoken to her in a while and then just turned around and went back inside. Oh, gross. He's a piece of shit.
00:52:06
Speaker
Yeah. i mean, show some concern at least.
00:52:14
Speaker
um in their neighborhood I guess and this could be true in a lot of different communities um they said it was hard or the article said it was hard to get authorities help um there was I guess is a lot of like corruption and neglect that happened um and stuff like it's just not Like, it's not a wealthy community. that's like, marginalized people. Yeah, poor people don't always trust the police. That's just the way it is.
00:52:45
Speaker
Yeah. Because they don't get... that Yeah, they don't get treated well. Yeah. So, Liancio, he went to them and filed a missing persons report on September 12th of 2012. And then he started appealing, or tried to appeal to the station producers...
00:53:03
Speaker
producers of Beto's morning news show that he also hosted. And like, hey, you did the show with our daughter. Like, will you, like, you met her and you were on the show with her. Will you talk about her on the no news show?
00:53:19
Speaker
um So they were promised, or he was promised a spot the next day to talk about Ruth Tilia being missing. um But the next morning when...
00:53:31
Speaker
They should have been able to go in. They called and like the appearance was canceled. Told them they didn't have a spot for him to talk about his daughter anymore. That's so up. Explained away.
00:53:43
Speaker
yeah they said there was a scheduling problem and that they would call back soon. Great, because this definitely isn't a timely manner that is urgent because she's missing. Jesus. Yeah.
00:53:57
Speaker
Yeah. But three days go by and no call from the producers and there's still no sign of Ruth Talia.
Ruth Talia's Disappearance and Investigation
00:54:06
Speaker
I guess the parents went out every morning going to a bunch, I don't know how many exactly, but like all of the TV stations.
00:54:16
Speaker
um But they didn't want to mention the show or that she was just like quote unquote famous. Um, they didn't want to, like, mention that part of, like, the show and everything. Instead, stating that she hadn't come home and that they were poor and that they needed help.
00:54:36
Speaker
And it was finally on the third day of going around to all these stations that Vilma finally revealed the whole story. And suddenly, the TV station that had just said they wouldn't tell their story was jumping at the chance to tell their story.
00:54:54
Speaker
That is infuriating. Airing that same night, instead of introducing Ruth to Leah, um like, as this, like, person that's missing and but you need to help find her, they introduced her ah with the headline of her being the prostitute from the show. Like, yeah. That's all they cared about. That was the headline. Kel Suprese.
00:55:27
Speaker
Yeah, she was a missing prostitute from the scandalous show. No longer 19-year-old girl. Can't just be contestant. Like in the article title. Yeah, not no longer a 19-year-old girl that was just trying to help her family. like Seriously. Seriously.
00:55:47
Speaker
In every way, every time she was trying to earn money, it was like for her family and to better herself and others.
00:55:56
Speaker
And you know what? don't think anyone's complaining. Not the people that got the sex or her and her family. Yeah, right. So fuck off. Yeah. Oh, boy. Did I ever tell you in high school, me and, um, yeah, was in high school. don't know where this is going, but I'm so intrigued.
00:56:16
Speaker
Well, I'm pretty sure it was high school. Me and my friend did a, um well, like you didn't have to present your presentations anymore, but you still had to submit them to the teacher. We did up a thing about, I can't remember what country where, like, prostitution or sex work now. was legalized and like the things that they had put in place to protect them and like their benefits and everything like that are like a whole breakdown and stuff we did a research paper on it kind of thing like presentation in high school about it like there's so many things and yeah just protections that can get put in place and
00:56:53
Speaker
So much safer. Everything. Yeah. Yes. And yeah, it's only when stuff gets decriminalized that you can put things in place that properly protect people instead of punishing like punishing them and sending them to prison. You can actually like protect them and give them access to health care and all that kind of stuff and instead of like penalizing them.
00:57:18
Speaker
Do you remember where the country was or? The area? Um, it's...
00:57:26
Speaker
I think there's, like, a few of them. Oh, that would make sense. I do, I did... Similarly, i had that one on abstinence-only education that I wrote a little paper on. Yeah. About how they focus on that in the States. Yeah, fuck that shit. No.
00:57:43
Speaker
Don't, you just give people the, the yeah, the skills and the information they need, and... you know, let themselves try and be safer. ah Whatever.
00:57:54
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah, i was like, what is going to say? back in high school, me and my friend used to turn tricks. Kelsey, I never knew. No,
00:58:08
Speaker
but seriously. that i not make yeah I'm not making fun because, you know.
00:58:17
Speaker
bye um yeah so they had done that and Vilma said like that just like crushed her heart when they did that and then the family got even more like descended um than they were when the show first aired um suddenly and everyone was hounding them in the streets and at home um trying to get like exclusive rights to tell the story because that's what they need right now Yeah, one, I mean, there was an upside and a downside to this because one of the stations called AVT, was like basically harassing the family, wouldn't leave them alone.
00:59:05
Speaker
They ended up, because the family didn't even have a car, um that station ended up driving them around in a car to try and help.
00:59:16
Speaker
search like they gave them a bit of a means to try and search for their daughter okay on the caveat that they would film them the entire time driving around my god never mind so like literally yeah fuck i mean yeah but they didn't even have a car to try and go around and look for their daughter and they got one but they had to be filmed well yeah there was a caveat like nothing for free ya
00:59:49
Speaker
um At this point, basically everyone knew that Brian had been supposedly the last one to see her. So that... Oh, I put ATV.
01:00:01
Speaker
I think this was being ABT again. ABT questioned him. ah he said he had been drunk and couldn't remember. and then the reporter started like pressing him saying if you were me would you believe yourself um he's saying like i said i don't remember that day ah and then they asked him like but your conscious is clear and brian responded yes okay so this yeah comes to like 11 days after her disappearance and the family gets a call
01:00:40
Speaker
He's not out there looking with the family, Brian. No. Yeah. That's pretty telling. Yeah. um Yeah, so the family gets a call that a young woman's body has been found buried in a well and was covered by rocks and concrete.
01:00:58
Speaker
um This was on a piece of land outside of Lima, and they believed it was the body but of Ruth Taliya.
01:01:07
Speaker
there's the article itself even confused me because there was like two different things they were saying the first part was saying that the couple upon hearing this news went to the property but when they got to the property they weren't allowed to go near the well or where her body was but then when it was um so they ended up getting confirmed it was ruth talia and the parents were filmed like bent over sobbing and bracing each other like just starting to mourn the loss of their daughter. Yeah.
01:01:40
Speaker
on And during this time, like, Brian was also brought to the property for some reason. And it was here where Leoncio took a swing at him with a rock and ended up having to be held back by police. Okay. So, like, that's the one side. But then there was a second one saying that the reporters heard news that it was...
01:02:06
Speaker
possibly Rutilia, and that Vilma was actually inside their house. And she was, like, um upstairs crying, and they could hear her from outside the house, and they found that the front door was unlocked. So the reporters went inside the house and, like, went upstairs to where the mom Vilma was crying and, like, stood outside the door and recorded her through the door, like, sobbing. and there was a, like, yeah, there was a reporter or something who um i guess was being encouraged or she was being encouraged by the cameraman to like open the door and go inside and she like refused and i guess she ended up quitting not long after but yeah so there was like different things and they were saying like on that side that like vilma didn't know that that was her daughter i don't know it was kind of weird i didn't really get what they were trying to say
01:03:04
Speaker
Either way, they're just exploiting the poor family's trauma at every turn. Yeah, absolutely. Ugh. It's like anything for content now. People like fucking filming their kids having meltdowns and shit. Ugh, can you imagine? All the public shaming and everything that happens now. It's like, you don't need to post everything online, okay?
01:03:26
Speaker
Seriously. like I just love when of people air my dirty laundry. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, so Brian Romero Livia, he ended up confessing, and he was led away in handcuffs, surrounded by police who were in riot gear.
01:03:48
Speaker
that was weird. A weird detail, I thought. Yeah, he's that dangerous. They're like, the SWAT team in for this fucking dude. 20-year-old guy. Right.
01:04:01
Speaker
Um... Yeah, so he's, they obviously questioned him. This is also from the article because I didn't want to get any of this wrong. So this is what he says happened. He described it as a simple story. He said that Ruth Talia, he called Ruth Talia as she was leaving the university and they made plans to meet.
01:04:24
Speaker
He said, I waited for her by the bridge. She got into my moto taxi. And I said, let's go have some wine. And she said, okay. And they rode to the house where he rented a room.
01:04:37
Speaker
Once there, he and Ruth, Talia, drank a $3 bottle of red wine. Sorry, I don't know why I'm laughing. Right. in the street And eventually went upstairs. They had sex. And afterwards, ah there was a fight that started.
01:04:53
Speaker
She tells me, quote, I don't know what I'm talking doing talking to a poor moto taxi driver. And Brian said, that's when I grabbed her by the throat. a b Brian admitted to police that he choked her for 30 seconds or more, saying I thought she had passed out.
01:05:13
Speaker
He told police I listened to her heart. I couldn't hear anything. And then he grabbed her and shook her hard, but nothing, and I got scared. So that's what he said happened.
01:05:26
Speaker
Right. Yeah. know Just in case you find any evidence of any choking or anything. This story is here. Yeah, maybe. and then she walked away fine.
01:05:38
Speaker
No. Or no. She is not No, that's where he said the answers. um Obviously, like, Beto, the host of the game show, if you can even call it that,
01:05:53
Speaker
um He drew criticism for his role. Brian actually accused him of peddling... This was so confusing. Peddling a fake reality to the audience and trying to buy his silence with a job offer, later going back on his word.
01:06:09
Speaker
So there was, like, a whole thing. He was trying to say that, like... This was in trial. He was saying that, like, Vito, like, played into the fact that they... were dating even though he knew that they weren't and then he when he confronted about it he like veto told ryan he was gonna give him a job and then like ended up like going back on the job offers and shit it was so weird it made no sense was like what the fuck you're like yeah because that's the bad thing here right that's what matters yeah uh yeah so veto like at trial denied all this and on february 27th
01:06:51
Speaker
2014, Brian was found guilty by the court and the vast majority of his confession was found to be false. That one I just read you. Yeah. Color me shocked. Um, yeah.
01:07:06
Speaker
I know. Get hit by this tale. Uh... and know hit by this tail ah The police had tracked, or this is also from the article, this is like the next thing that happened. The police had tracked down a witness, an adolescent boy from the neighborhood, who said that the night Ruth Talia disappeared, Brian had paid him 50 souls to let him know when Ruth Talia got off the bus. The boy claimed to have seen Brian and another man force her into his moto taxi.
01:07:43
Speaker
the court determined that b Brian's accomplice was his uncle. one sitting to become a lawyer, I think, or some shit, if I remember correctly. His name is Reddy Leva, who is the owner the owner of the property where her body was found.
01:08:04
Speaker
What the fuck is the plan here, guys? Yeah, this will solve everything. no one will remember any of this. If we just kill her, Like, ah you're literally drawing more attention to the, you know, quote unquote problem.
01:08:20
Speaker
And now I can spend the rest of my life in prison. Fucking oops. They, yeah. Yeah, so they buried her where her body was found. Both were sentenced to life imprisonment. And the motive for the crime was determined to be robbery, as they had attempted to get Ruth to Leah's bank security code.
01:08:44
Speaker
So, like, they were trying to extort her for sure, basically. um And then killed her when she refused to. I don't know. I don't know if that, like, whole thing is, like...
01:08:58
Speaker
stupidest story. Yeah, part of how he said that, like, she said she was gonna split the money with him or whatever. But, obviously... what else are your fucking lawyers gonna Jesus, you don't have a leg to stand on.
01:09:13
Speaker
Good lord. It's like the most obvious fucking motive ever. but like, you know, not because it's not gonna solve anything, but, like, obviously he was butthurt about the whole fucking thing.
01:09:24
Speaker
Very much so. um i found it was interesting i i can't remember it was this source or not that said there was evidence that she had been poisoned as well as strangled i thought that would detail was a little interesting i was like we're at the poison come up why is it mentioned it to sedate her like oh yeah that point when you sorry you made me think of something i was thinking when you said that um
01:09:56
Speaker
choked for her for 30 seconds or whatever bullshit he was spouting I can't remember the case at all but like I feel like I've heard it talked about a couple times we're like or was on a forensic file so maybe I saw it and stuck with me where like the guy was like the lawyer rather in court was um like to demonstrate this is what you know three minutes is like right to be like you know it takes like three minutes to choke someone or something and then being like Here's 30 seconds. Here's another 30 seconds where you could have stopped. That's another, you know, like just demonstrating how fucking and long it takes to actually literally choke someone out like to death.
01:10:33
Speaker
And I was just like, wow, what a tactic. Like, that's pretty balls. Yeah. bully Yeah. I don't know. It's a, yeah, it's a lot.
01:10:45
Speaker
It's like stabbing somebody to death and like being like, you've stabbed them 57 times. Like you're going to injure yourself because there's going to be so much blood. Your hand's going to start slipping. You're probably going to cut your own hand. It's one of the most intimate ways. Yeah. It's not just shooting someone. yeah You have to look them in the eyes. And yeah, it's not, yeah, not easy.
01:11:08
Speaker
Having done it myself. I'm just kidding. Yeah. I just, this is so sad. I can't even with it. I'm sorry. this You know how I deal with it. this This one made me really think of like, and sorry, I can't remember their names, but that one guy that was on the show and like he confessed that he had a crush on that other guy and then he killed him and claimed it was like the gay panic thing. It was, I think that was Jenny Jones. Yeah. Yeah. And then like, um um yeah, just all these different ones that have kind of happened. The dating game. Yeah. That too. Like, yeah, that was a good movie.
01:11:52
Speaker
Um, yeah, I, it just made me think of all those ones and I was like, God, like, fucking game shows and reality tv and shit like and the fucking gay panic depends yeah yeah murder of scott amateur after he was on jenny jones because oh no the person that had a crush on you was a guy friend you have to kill him now because god forbid you god discovered it tiny big gay or something Yeah, God forbid you just say, no, I'm not attracted to you, and then you just say, do you still want to be my friend?
01:12:30
Speaker
I gotta kill him before he looks at me and I get a boner. Like, I don't even know. again I can't. I just have to, with the dark humor, deflect it because it's just so fucked Is there worse things in life than having a friend who's a little bit attracted to you?
01:12:45
Speaker
i thought that's what the Twinkie defense was. There's something called, like, the Twinkie defense, and I thought that was, like, literally a what they called it because it was like the gay pannington where you're like, I can't, gotta kill this 20.
01:12:59
Speaker
I think it's something completely different. so anyway, like god you know what? I'm not even gonna look it up.
01:13:07
Speaker
Yes. mobile i just have to guess Yeah, so I guess the, because again, this was the very first fucking episode in Peru, I guess.
Impact on Family and Societal Critique
01:13:19
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um There was a, yeah, there was a second season.
01:13:23
Speaker
hello That the El Valor de la Verdad, which was, hold on, hold on, let me scroll up, let me scroll up.
01:13:38
Speaker
What do
01:13:50
Speaker
Yeah, the value the value of the truth is what it was called in Peru. What about the value of the Ruth? The Ruth! It was valuable. um Yeah, so there was a second season that was produced. This time they changed it up to only include celebrity contestants. That included like politicians, showbiz folks, and the kind of people who are used to dealing with the media.
01:14:17
Speaker
i guess it continued to be a hit. One highly placed source stated that this decision... to use only celebrities was in direct response to the murder of ruth talia wow good thing guys took action not too much because they don't take accountability no of course not why would they even though they even though they made that decision veto ortiz that guy he denied that that was the reason why they chose to go with celebrities and like public figures how could you still go on and do that show
01:14:56
Speaker
And like, are you asking the politician if they've ever done sex work for money? no yeah Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm sure they have no skeletons in their closet. Yeah.
01:15:08
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Yeah. Did you send this tweet? Did you like this photo of a model wearing a bikini? Did you send this dick pic? Hello? Wasn't there an American politician whose last name was like Dick or something? that Oh my God. I can't keep up with those fucking trash.
01:15:24
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Yeah. No, you save the, yeah, all the worst stuff. Fucking poor people who are just trying to make money. Yep.
01:15:35
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Keep those poor, Dan. Yeah, I can't remember if this was Beto who said this quote saying, the show is entertainment. I don't lose sight of that. We need contestants whose stories are interesting enough that people will watch.
01:15:53
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Sucked. Yeah. That's great. I guess they can't give you $50,000 for being like, what's your favorite color? Yeah, I'm sure that statement was a real comfort to their family.
01:16:08
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Somebody's like, snot green. And they're like, scandalous. Here's $50,000. Right. like, yeah. Seriously. goodbye but still like yeah seriously
01:16:23
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Um, yeah, so Vilma, Leonsio, and Eva were in court the day of the sentencing. Afterward, they gave statements to the media saying that justice had been served.
01:16:37
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um And Vilma, her voice cracking, had told the press, when I die, that's when she would stop crying, and that's when I'll stop suffering.
01:16:48
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ah And I guess she visits her daughter's tomb like once a week to wash the gravestone and pray. i hope she finds peace sooner than that.
01:17:00
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Yeah. Maybe she's seen a sign from Ruth to Leah somehow. hope. Maybe. um i did see like a couple things, as I mentioned, like kind of off the top that like the family, especially Vilma, uh,
01:17:16
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was kind of saying like they don't believe the show was in any way related to her murder. Like they don't think it had anything to do with it and i really like obviously that's the family and that's how they feel but I can't see any way where she would have been murdered or anything.
01:17:45
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Yeah, like, there's no way it didn't make it worse for and Brian. Yeah, because, like, would she have ever said those things even to her family or Brian if it wasn't for the show?
01:17:57
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You look at him and be like, what is it? You're not handsome? or like, those crazy questions like questions. Yeah, and then, like, all the shit saying, like...
01:18:09
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oh yeah I've had a nose job and I wish I was white and I don't think I'm pretty and like yeah all that shit too is just
01:18:22
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and like I want to like I didn't want to watch the episode I don't know if it's out there that like you can actually just watch but like I want to know how those questions were framed because if she's responding oh I I wish I was white like whatever what's the question is the question being like oh do you wish you were white and she's just like yeah it doesn't everybody like yeah I would have had a better upbringing or more privilege yeah and like so like what's the context of like that question and then you're harping on about like How she wishes she was white and she hates herself. and ah Oh, I'm just like...
01:18:56
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yeah Was that the question? Or like, what was the question? Or just like, was it really worth it for you guys to try that format out so people could win like a tiny bit of money? and But also just like completely ruin relationships.
01:19:13
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It would be a lot of money because they said apparently that that $15,000 that... or 15,000 souls that she won is like 10 months of pay and she could have won 50,000 souls.
01:19:28
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So like, that's crazy. Probably a drop in the bucket compared to what they make. Yeah. And they're like, we don't care who suffers or like what, who's the collateral damage.
01:19:42
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Without her. yeah Like, I don't know if she necessarily would have been, killed it unless if the money if like the motive was the money like brian was trying to say or they were trying to say it was like a robbery kind of thing because they were trying to get her pin number whatever from her no way to come into a a large sum of money a different way like they said she was auditioning for other game shows ah or if she had got the salon up and running and it was really successful Like, all that kind of stuff. But I, in the circumstances of her death, I cannot separate the game show. Like, I just don't think there's a way to.
01:20:26
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So. Yeah. Obviously her family doesn't agree. And I hope they have more information. And that's why they disagree than, like, what I found. But.
01:20:37
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Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's more just, like, the. the whole kind of conversation of always trying to blame the influence of the media in certain violent cases and you're like you can't say that yeah that show or that movie or that violent video game made that person shoot this other person but like Yeah.
01:21:01
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It also didn't fucking help. And it could have been the straw that broke the camel's back. So it could have been a catalyst. So it's still worth being like, this is not good. We should not do this. Just in case for that 1% of people who's going to be like, I can't psychologically handle this, you know?
01:21:18
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Yeah. And like, i look at this a bit different than like the video game thing. Cause like the video game, you're playing the video game, but this was like, you participated personally in the game show like you were a part of it and then you were personally humiliated on a large scale yeah it's not like it is a big and it is yeah that would be a big factor yeah it's like a bit more like personal oh for sure you were i don't know you were like an actor in a movie and that fucked you up like that
01:21:58
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yeah yeah that can happen like rather just everybody who plays video games and they're like i just killed 50 guys but like by pressing a and b and bus button mashing like it's not the same yeah know it's i i feel like this is like a more personal thing where it's like no you weren't you weren't it'd be like somebody watching a game show like this and then being like oh why went out and killed a sex worker or something it'd be like no like You were the person that was in the episode. Right? Yeah.
01:22:31
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And you made that choice. Like, you can you can't quite separate it as easily and be like, oh, you were a consumer of the media? No, you were the media. Right? And whether or not they were broken up or not, it, like, really seems to have humiliated him. Yeah, that's also weird. I feel like he was just trying to create distance, because I don't know when he... I think so.
01:22:51
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Cover your ass, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know her. no oh Yeah, this one broke my heart when I started seeing about it.
01:23:04
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And yeah, I was just like, are you fucking kidding me? Like when I scroll down far enough to see the questions that they were asking her, I was like, wow. And then the producer even being like, oh, and like just talking in Beto's earpiece being like,
01:23:25
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um what did you say i knew it was gonna be a surprise and a shameful moment for them like because you were the one that interviewed her so you knew all her answers you knew exactly what she was gonna say i' like you're watching her on stage and like her family her mom's begging her to stop and she's like no i want the money like and then yeah brutal.
01:23:51
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Like, yeah, who thought that was a good concept for a show? And then let's put it out into all these different countries. apparently, like, with all these different cultures. 47 countries for years have been airing this show. You would not do that. Like, that's insane. Yeah, like, can you imagine if they did it in in a mostly, like, Muslim place, where it's been like, well, then there would be, like, fucking what they called honor killings all over the place, because you shamed me, you shamed me, know what mean? Like, that's like ah like a ticket to murder in those places, some places. You're like,
01:24:21
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the fuck yeah playing with fire much yeah Jesus just uh crazy crazy
01:24:31
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well that was a lot to unpack and now I know and it was longer I was like ah there was so much more in that article um yes I had the same situation yeah um yeah amazing article so well done um really just had the entire story start to finish and there was more information about the trial and stuff that Brian said and them talking to the stations and how the family was treated when they were trying to talk to the station because again they're poor and like they didn't give a shit until um they revealed
01:25:16
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that she was the girl from the show, which just goes to show that for how public and everybody was like gossiping about her, that they didn't fucking recognize her name when her family said she was missing until they said she was the girl from the show. And then suddenly everybody knew who she was. she's that big of a gossip.
01:25:37
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You guys are talking about her. You don't even fucking remember her name. Yeah. It's a direct like, um, example of how, certain cases get covered in the media more.
01:25:50
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oh well, it's more interesting now. Yeah. Fuck you. Fuck you all. All of you. Fuck all the way up. Yeah. I don't know what to do with that. And also, then I was like, mine turned out to be like, not like a lot longer. Cause you know, I write like too many hand pages of notes and then like I probably don't need all that i can bullet you know point some of this but then I was getting more and more context for the case I'm covering i was like yeah now I don't know what to think anyway so we'll get to that but uh this one's an hour and a half so we'll see um this might be what you get this
01:26:36
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week or if Kelsey can record in the next couple of Yeah. We won't cut it into not until two-parter. What? Today's not until Friday. shit. We can record again on Friday. Yeah. And the last, yeah, it's like, I think the last few ones I've, I've even been editing on Friday and posting it later in the day. So you never know. We'll see.
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Whatever. gets out to you guys, right? You love us. You forgive us. You get it You have busy lives too. Yeah. I hope you're not sitting there at home like fucking refreshing your page. we Like just empty.
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Please don't ever do that. We're not that. We're not that important. No. No, but um sort of non-specific shout out there's been There was a few people I noticed that joined.
01:27:31
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like a handful of people on the free tier in like March or last couple months. So maybe they were going there to check out the free bonus episode and you should too. It's going to be your gateway episode to get you into the Patreon content, which is also really fun. And personally, I think we have quite a good time over there. So yeah, check it out.
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Yes. We just we love engagement. yeah Sometimes we think we're, we feel like we're only talking to each other and then Alana's family members who message us about the episode sometimes. like And then it's just, do yeah.
01:28:05
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01:28:18
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Yeah. And then we'll shout out your birthday. um so Oh yeah. Did we, we told them we posted our last one on Patreon. That was the missing persons one, right?
01:28:31
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I think so. Yeah. Like mysterious disappearances and everything. I can't even remember. I covered Frederick Valentich.
01:28:43
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He was pilot and you covered wait i did edit it uh canada uh the local case um yeah she was she came down from fort mack that lady and was driving into edmonton oh right the creepy audio yeah amanda to caro good job that's why i had that name written down on a post-it because i was posting and i went
01:29:15
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I have forgot it. I feel bad to say that, but I forgot who it was after then I wrote it. Who's this person? i have their name written down here. Yeah. Well, even today, I was like, I typed up these notes like a week ago. it was like, Jesus. Oh, no.
01:29:31
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I'm a totally different person now. ah Meanwhile, I'm the same. literally leaving everything to the last minute. ah That's how I work. Oh, I've been there yet.
01:29:43
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Procrastinate. Procrastinators unite tomorrow. a, I have the executive dysfunction, so. Yeah. i can't do it If I can't do it perfectly, I'm not going to do it. No. Can we blame neurodivergence? Let's do that. Okay. All right. Well, we will catch you guys next time.
01:30:06
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Should we just end it there? Can we say the topic?
01:30:11
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Um, We'll decide. i mean, this will either be a two-parter or ah your next episode's going to be about some creepy cryptids.
01:30:24
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True. There you go. um Take your hour and a half and love it. I thought you were going to say shove it. Right? Take it up your ass.
01:30:36
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Take it Shove it up your ass. Just start yelling at people. oh Leave us alone. yeah All right. Love you Bye. Bye-bye.
01:30:48
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Is that how we end these? I don't know anymore. can Gordo says bye-bye. Oh, I woke him up. Hi, Gordo. Hi, baby. Meow.