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210: The Curse of Tippecanoe + Spill the Bee Tea, too!
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This episode is just extra, sorry, not sorry! It’s extra-long, extra-cursed, and took us extra-long to get out on this long weekend, so a bit sorry ‘bout that part, to be fair!
Kelsey covers a curse on US Presidents with many names caused by a long-ago battle with Shawnee people. The Curse of Tippecanoe, Tecumseh’s Curse and the Zero-year Curse are some of them, and the list of incidents and deaths is certainly one that’s going to need to simmer for sec. The assassination count alone is a lot, and George W and that grenade thing? Shocking stuff.
From possible curse or conspiracy to the wonderful world of the honeybee! Through history they have loved to have us spill them all the tea. Or the booze, bees LOVE booze. The vibes of the hive are chatty and silly in this segment but people have been mad for honey for ages we learned.
Some Saints did some weird stuff; honey was the remedy for every ailment from eyestrain to erectile dysfunction, and it makes great mead too. Side stories include cats who drool, are surprised by owls, ridiculously expensive scented candles, and rampant accusations of people and things being AI. Do you love bees too? Let us know and hope you enjoy this very buzzed episode! I got one bee pun!
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Introduction to Castles and Cryptids
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Darkcast Network. Indie pods with a dark side.
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You are listening to castles and cryptids where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck. And the cat is down. Yeah. Sorry.
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The cat has entered the chat. Seriously, as soon as almost the intro started playing. was like, she's looking in the corner and then I could just see his head. no.
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Yeah, he was like reaching out of the basket at me and then the basket started, because it's fabric, it just started collapsing on the one side and he was like sliding out of it. oh Always gotta to have the attentions. Yeah, sorry if you're new here. Cats happen.
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Yeah, catus interruptus. Right, I should say one cat.
Superstitions and Curses Theme
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so um that's funny welcome to the cursed cat episode no just wait are we doing curses i'm forgetting now because this one patreon This one's like superstitions kind of thing. Mine also can be is viewed as a curse. so
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they can They can have to do with a lot of bad luck for sure. so As were talking about, think there's overlap. Yep. Absolutely. yeah. We've been getting a lot of stitches lately. cause Yes, I just plugged. Some superstitious.
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Yeah. Super amount of stitches.
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The car step was fun. i i laughed editing it and were talking about the firefighters. There was a lot of fires in yours. Oh yeah. I was just like stop, we're just like stop building there.
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i still didn't send you a video. of o i don't honour I don't want to spoil it. No, but something like a firefighter effect on people.
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Yes, mainly I was saying that I fell down a rabbit hole or was watching something and then kept getting recommended. um Compilations. Yeah, just like a bunch of guys who got rescued by firefighters and were kind of like, oh, I get it now. Like, why you would want to be picked up by somebody stronger than you?
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Stuff like that. Yeah, the friends were springs for cursed springs they had a lot of fires so many fires like ridiculous yeah and then i talked about cursed places in japan and that they have a lot of dark stuff too so it's a ah ah well of information yeah yeah so many things
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Yeah, that was fun. Okay. Yeah, superstitions. We all have them. Knock on Wood, I think, was voted one of the most yeah still used today. Yeah.
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It's like in the top ten. Yeah, that and probably like, maybe not as often, but like Broken Mirror.
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Yeah.
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Seven years, as we all probably heard. Which, I mean, if that's true, ever but like, all the customers that come into my store have bad luck, because they're breaking me. We're like, every day there's a broken mirror. So... Yeah, that seems, but yeah, more just like a spillage in a bar. You're like, it's a certain amount of destruction just happens.
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Yeah, it's expected... Yeah, it explains things. People use it to explain things or bad luck, especially. yeah But whatever. People are going to cope how they're going to cope.
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We're all doing that. Yeah. Each and every day. Audio issues on the cursed episode. and was like, you know what? Keeping this in.
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Episode starts six minutes after it booted you out or something stupid. Oh, I was like, what? Yeah, that was a weird one because my yeah i hadn't connected my mic and then we had to restart because of that and then something else. that happened too Yeah, a weird oh weird evening.
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i mean, yeah, it's like, oh well, it's real. It's real, it's raw. yeah. And sometimes I find comfort in some of the, I'd be like, oh, it feels like I'm having like a string of bad luck with my car recently.
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Sort one yeah insurance thing out. Next day something breaks on it. And then they get that looked at. and then, you know, take it home from the place. And then it breaks. And it dies again on a busy road. And you're like, no, why?
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guys said it was good. Anyway. And then you're like, and then I've been like, I'm like, is Mercury in retrograde? I'm like, figures. but it's like it doesn't really help anything it just gives me something to like i don't know oh sometimes you then you're like i can shake my fist and blame yeah yeah mercury and yelling at the sun yeah oh my god uh yeah we're we're good yeah sorry
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uh Yeah, or this one, um no. nope i I think I had told you maybe on the Patreon app that originally I was going to cover both this one and the one I covered for that one in one episode, and then I decided to split it.
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That would have because that I feel like jumping, yeah, that's kind of why I was happy I ended up splitting it because even though they're both a little on the shorter side, there's enough that each of them is can be done separate. So, yeah. That's
The Curse of Tippecanoe
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cool. I'm wondering if you've ever heard of this one because I hadn't, but...
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oh Some people might have. It's the Curse of Tippecanoe. Does that sound familiar? No.
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Well, I don't think so. Is it all one word? Or Tippecanoe? Like, space. you ay It's all one word.
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Okay. ah It has a a handful of other names. Oh, no. This is for the pronunciation. Yeah. problems were just life.
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Well. It's also known as Tecumseh's curse, the 20-year curse, or the zero curse.
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I've heard parts of at least one of those. Yeah. I would also say maybe you could just classify it as a presidential curse. Yeah.
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um Oh really? Oh damn. Yeah. ah That is pretty crazy. Curses can like happen to anything and that's what I was like writing in their description. It's like places people.
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So the yeah like Tippecanoe one is probably the most Common name for it. It's like an urban legend or superstition that's surrounding multiple US presidents who ended up dying while in office, like still serving of like one of their terms.
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sure Not necessarily the first. Sometimes it was in the second term, but these are presidents that all died in office. and had all been elected in years that were divisible by 20.
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And also that ended with zero. So that's why it's sometimes called the 20 year curse or the zero curse. Divisible. Okay. dates Yeah, we'll get into all the dates.
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Cause it's a little, I hope it's not too complicated. there was like, um I'm sure there's like crazy graphs and stuff you can look at about it, but I didn't want to get into all that. Yeah.
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Run out of the red string. Can't be having that.
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That's how I felt looking at this. And I was like, okay, I've heard about so many of these presidential deaths. And I'm like, i don't want to get into them because there's a bunch of conspiracies about probably all of them and we're gonna touch on all the popular ones they're all included in this so certainly it might overlap with the uh the kennedy curse at least one was killed in office and anyway okay I do know that. All the popular ones, all the presidents I had known the name of that had died are included on this list. i went Okay, cool. So yeah ah so of goes it all starts 1811 when this military expedition led by William Henry Harrison it's involved in a battle against Native American tribes that were led by this
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chief uh was named tensa kawata uh sorry we're doing our best i'm like there's a lot of like w's and a's and i yeah yeah uh uh the native american tribes were defeated in the battle of tippecanoe which is what the battle is called And according to legend, their leader, Tecumseh ended up placing a curse.
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The one source said on, quote, the Great White Fathers. blank Okay. Yeah, like future presidents.
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Yeah. still want there to be like a cursed canoe, but that's okay. Yeah, right? That's why I was very confused. Yeah.
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cursed white fathers sorry I'm into it I'm on board um yeah this is kind of like a whole conspiracy as well just to okay so yeah that's kind of the background on how the curse started so from battle Tippecanoe like
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um because the the battle of tippa canoe was like a few years it was in 1811 right and then there was like a bunch of other historical stuff that happened but so for the first president it affected so the timeline is like 1840 to so it's 120 years that it spans so it's a hundred and twenty years that it spans During this time, ah i ended up using Wikipedia and something else, and I counted how many different presidents there were, and there was 27 different presidents during that time, some of them that served more than one term.
Presidential Curse Incidents
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But in that 120 years and 27 presidents, eight of them died while in office, serving either their first or second term. Wow, that's like high.
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Yeah, and of those eight, seven of them died after being elected on a year that was divisible by 20 or ended in zero. It's so nice and round, all the numbers. it's so pleasing. So like, presidents years,
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eight die in office and seven of the eight follow this like trend so I'd say that's pretty compelling but others disagree yeah nine out of ten dentists yeah yeah right ah Yeah, so we'll go through like each one. So starting with the first one, it affected. This is from thoughtco.com. They had like a nice, probably the most information I found about the beginning.
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so this is from their website. It said, in 1840, William Henry Harrison won the presidency with the slogan, a canoe and tiler too.
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go wait which referenced yeah um it referenced harrison's role uh harrison's role in american victory at the battle of tippecanoe in 1811 when tecumseh was the leader of the shawnee um the opposing side in the battle and his hatred for harrison actually dated back to 1809 uh
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While governor of the Indiana Territory, Harrison negotiated a treaty with the indigenous people in which the Shawnee ceded large tracts of land to the U.S. government.
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Angered by what he considered Harrison's unfair tactics in negotiating the deal, Tecumseh and his brother organized a group of local tribes and attacked Harrison's army, thus creating the Battle of Tippecanoe.
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how dare they fight back for themselves like right yeah on land that they owned that you guys decided to fucking take from them right or as more they they think they see it more as not land can't even be owned it's like who came up with this stupid concept yeah i don't know i'm not just a white lady don't listen to me I know, right? I'm not a history expert. There's so many. There's going to be so many things in this case or, like, topic that people dedicate their entire lives to researching, like, historians and everything. So, like, this is what I found in my research. Sorry if it's wrong. I'm sure there's 10,000 pages of historical research about each of these topics you could get into, but we're not going to get into it because it's too much.
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So... Oh, exactly, right? It's hard. do You feel like you have to do, like, a white lady apology. Because, well, and, like, sometimes, yeah, people will hear you say, like, like I think we had a comment about one where we're like trying to focus on black history or something. It's like, we're just saying we don't know much about it, but we're trying to learn. But then there it was like, you know, people saying they don't know anything about like black history at the beginning of a podcast. I'm like, well, no, but wait we're trying. Anyway, obligatory. Yeah, exactly.
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ah Yeah. So during the War of 1812, which I have heard of, but I knew nothing about, ah Harrison further reinforced his anti-Indigenous reputation when he defeated the British and the tribes that aided them ah in the Battle of the Thames.
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This additional defeat and the loss of more land to the American government is purportedly what drove Tecumseh's brother, ah that Tensakwatawa, known by the Shawnee as the prophet, to place a curse of death on all future US presidents elected in years ending in zero.
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Like specifically that. Okay, the curse was like... Apparently. done A little strange in my opinion. I would just curse everybody, but that's fine. Yeah.
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All the ones that are elected there. You can't have every U.S. president die every four years for the rest of time. That would be too much. Maybe they felt that was, yeah, a little bit too much avenging. On the last day of the U.S. president's term, he will fucking die.
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what about that? Isn't that of like that sheriff? He's... we were talking about you covered. Yeah, that's what I thought of. That, um, witch's curse on that little town. Because anybody who became Cher, were like, ugh.
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But, again, yeah, it does kind of go back to they talk about anything where it's like, I look i love a cursed job posting. Curse of living.
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What? Sorry. I said it's a cursed job posting. If you become sheriff, you die. If you become a president, you die. I mean, one could argue they're but certainly risky for police officers at times. Risky jobs.
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Yeah. but We'll get into all that. oh yeah. We digress. Interesting. Yeah. um Yeah, so Harrison was elected president after that stuff went down and after delivering a very long inaugural address on a cold and windy day, he was ah stuck in a rainstorm and caught a serious cold, which would eventually turn into severe pneumonia infection that killed him only 30 days later.
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a harm Wow, Sprosser just didn't shoot him after the long speech, like, shut this guy up. maybe ah Harrison's inauguration was on March 4th, 1841, and he died on April 4th. Oh my god, almost the anniversary.
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ah From pneumonia, or maybe enteric fever. So he died after being ah president for 30 days.
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oh one of those that's where it all starts yeah yeah that's funny so uh yeah i have little blurbs about each of these just one or two sentences because again most of these deaths we're going to talk about there's way too much to get into so this is literally the bare minimum uh 1860 so that was this jump ahead to Abraham Lincoln he elected.
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We know what happens, don't we Yeah. again or Don't need to say much other than April 14th, 1865. And April assassinated. April's unlucky. You just mentioned April twice.
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I know. Damn it. And this is going to coming out of April. Yeah. yeah
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And it's funny, because I was just trying to Google important historical April deaths, and then it was like, my case. true. That's funny. None of these came Anyway. Yeah. Abraham Lincoln, on April 14th, 1865, was assassinated John Wilkes Booth at Ford's Theater. think he was in his...
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anyway yeah abraham lincoln on april fourteenth eighteen sixty five was assassinated by john wilkes spoth at ford's theatre
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i think he was in his
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second term? And he'd seen his doppelganger too, right? Yeah, I, I, there was like a nice breakdown, hold on, that showed like who was in their first term and who was in their second, cause... Damn.
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I cannot keep track of US presidents, it's just like too annoying. like callback to the first act? Yeah, he was in his first second term.
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and and yeah yeah they like yeah he's in his second term and then 20 years later 1880 when james garfield he takes office in march of 1881
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and because like their inaugurations and everything when they like take office is different than the year they get elected ah yeah because of the november yeah so that's why they think talk about like the year they get elected and not when their inauguration is if yeah the dates can be a little confusing but that's what's happening um so every 20 years so far though yeah is it's like okay yeah yeah and it stays that way for a while and
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Yeah, like literally every single time. ah Yeah. So James Garfield, he takes office March of 1881. And then July 2nd, 1881, he is shot by Charles J. Gattu in a Washington, D.C. train station.
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A wound which led to his death later on in September 1881.
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Oh, so not killed right away. Another. Huh. No, it was like pretty delayed. It was the beginning of July. So July, August and partly through September, like two and a half months. Damn. Yeah. You don't hear too much about him.
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no ah Another assassination. Not as cool. Took too long. just ah oh oh god uh i hate myself we're gonna get flagged for like um death threats against u.s presidents or something no no it's only the past ones that we don't know much about right and at this point you could just go of old age and we don't know yeah kind of what
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people are waiting on Maybe. Maybe that's already happened.
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Yeah. So next. Oh, no. ah Shut her up. Okay. ah Next is 1900.
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William McKinley ah is elected for his second term. So this one's his second. So his first term was not in a year that was 20, but his second term was in a year.
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He was elected for his second term on a year that was 20. That's his mistake. So, yeah, don't seek re-election. ah on September 6, 1901, is shot by Leon my cause all gone wow
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in Buffalo, New York, and McKinley died almost a week later on September 14th, 1901. Another one that was shot and killed.
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Yeah, that's three in a row. America, you know, we've talked about this. You guys gotta do better. It's practically patriotic at this point.
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um Next, 1920, we have Warren G. Harding, which I had to leave this in because I thought this was hilarious. The source said, recognized as one of the worst presidents of all time.
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Recognized? That's an honor. was like, interesting. I've never heard of this man before. what'd he But guess he was more of a...
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Apparently there was multiple scandals while he was in office. So, like maybe maybe somebody needs to do a Venn diagram of him and Trump. And we can crown one of them the ultimate worst. Yes, he may have lost his posthumous title. Yeah, he may no longer be. i just thought that was funny. Yeah, worst president.
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Yeah. was like, what an interesting thing to put in an article about presidents when it mentioned nothing about any other presidents and how they behaved in office.
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Right. It's like, oh, fascinating. um Yeah. So on August or in August 1923. So this is three years into his turn.
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He was visiting San Francisco on a cross-country voyage of understanding where he was meeting people all across the nation.
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um i think it was like a PR move to try and like, I've been like, oh, yeah, I'm, the people love me and I'm talking to the people. wave to the people. Yeah.
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Yeah, so while in San Francisco in this voyage of understanding, he suffers a stroke and dies. Oops. And then I laugh. ah Couldn't stand all that adoration from all them people. It's too much.
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Yeah. Other sources did mention him possibly dying of a heart attack or even... it like... Tomeine poisoning?
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Like, I've never heard that before. I think I meant to look it up. What is toamine? starts with a P. Toamine. Interesting. I think it might have to do with food prep or... Hmm.
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Food? Yeah, food poisoning caused by any various amines formed by petrofactive bacteria.
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Oh. Diarrhea, stomach pain, cramps, nausea? Sounds like Pepto-Bismol.
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Yeah, I guess foodborne illness.
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ah Yeah, maybe. or he had a heart attack or he had a stroke. It's been 106 years. been a hundred and six years way to know. Next is 1940. Franklin Roosevelt, also heard Oh, FDR.
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Yep. He was elected for his third term in 1940. However, he his third term and nineteen forty ah however he died during his fourth term and nineteen forty five of a cerebral hemorrhage. So this is the one people don't kind of go back and forth on including because he was elected in his, of a like he was elected in a year ending in 20, but he didn't die in that term. He died after he was elected for a fourth time in 1945. Oh, okay. ah Technically he's still president who at one time was elected during a year ending in 20. or a zero but um yeah his death is still considered part of the curse as his third term's election was held in 1940 i feel like he was also the one that went to oak island maybe he survived two curses
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it's good maybe i'll check uh uh next kennedy is nineteen sixty with john f kennedy Oh, right.
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Yeah. That's why I was looking this up and I was like, all of these presidents, there'd be so much to get into if you actually like. And then 11, 22, 63. Yeah, by the way, yeah FDR was the one that went to Oakland.
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He was pretty. Oh, nice. Maybe he was pretty curse-proof for a while. Yeah. Maybe they're like, oh, you already got cursed with one thing. and We're not going curse, double curse you. Yeah.
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Wow. um Yeah, so John F. Kennedy became the youngest elected president in 1960. He was assassinated Lee Harvey Maybe. While riding a motorcade through Dallas, Texas.
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And that's all I'm going to say about that. Because that is the most conspiracy heavy, heavy, uh... You have time to assign deep time. No. A thousand pages later. Yeah. yeah yeah ah But this ends ends like and since Kennedy's assassination.
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Hashish! Assassination! In 1963. Oprah. i some ran and nite shish sure ah No president has died in office. So Kennedy was the last president to die in office of any reason.
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Oh, and of interesting. And they're all fucking old as shit.
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ah Yeah. ah However, there have been other assassination attempts and medical episodes during recent president's ease. I won't even get into fucking Trump.
00:32:06
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ah And assassinations of other Kennedys. Yeah. the The other one wasn't president, but what is it? know the one. The other one.
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I don't know. I just like...
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RFK? Yeah. Yeah, RFK Jr. is the one that's still alive. His dad, I think, was the other one that was killed. Oh my god. You guys know. Shut up. Kennedy stuff. I don't know.
00:32:34
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I can't remember. could less about the Kennedys if you couldn't tell. I feel the same way about the British royal family. um Anyway.
00:32:45
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So getting it, that was the last, Kennedy was the last one to die. so the next year election, we're going to cover each one. 1980 was Ronald
Questioning the Zero Factor Curse
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Reagan.
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um He had some stuff. He was shot by this guy named John Hinckley Jr. Two months after his inauguration 1990 1981.
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ah He survived um after receiving really quick medical attention. Like, they were very quick to respond to him being shot. And the bullet missed his heart by inches.
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And then ah thought this was kind of interesting because days after the shooting, there was a columnist who wrote um an article headlined Reagan and the Eerie Zero Factor.
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It was reported on in the Daily Intelligencer. The weirdest name for a newspaper I've ever heard. ah Really?
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and it says It's like kind of what they used to call spying. Like intelligence work, but it's old-timey sounding, yeah. Yeah, the Daily Intelligencer.
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ah Yeah, okay. It doesn't roll off the tongue. No. But this article, Reagan and the Eerie Zero Factor, said that the 40th president had either disproved the superstition or that he had nine lives. So that was like the for one of the first times that the superstition was talked about, and this was back in 1981. And they said that Reagan survived it Is that what you said? Sorry.
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Yeah. He was shot during like two months after his inauguration, but he survived. Reagan also survived a surgery in 1985, and he was the oldest elected president at the time. Nancy Reagan was reported to have even hired psychics and astrologers to try and protect her husband from the curse, which I thought was interesting.
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That's kind of, yeah. She was into it. The woo-woo. Yeah. He ultimately died of natural causes in 2004 at the age of 93. Damn. Yeah,
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damn yeah that was the, yeah, he was the first one that didn't die, but ah doesn't mean there weren't attempts or like things that almost happened. The next is the year 2000, good old George W. Bush.
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we oh yeah, that's You want to talk curses and conspiracy? So funny. just remember as a kid, just like thinking, wow, the president's an idiot. And then yeah Obama got elected and I went, wow, you could actually have a cool president? Like...
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oh well it's possible um yeah uh george w bush he survived two terms in office uh which he survived two assassination attempts i didn't know about any of this forgot i guess so and several alleged plots uh the most notable being during his second turn when a live grenade was thrown at him but it failed to explode like god damn that's crazy never knew about that i just knew he couldn't open a door once but don't they also like famously the whole family like love war oh god no we won't go into it
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like um people that have oil um yeah but apparently somebody threw a grenade at him that's crazy detonated but it didn't so like the yeah that's wild he just went back to read that children's book to the no at different time um yeah so bush left office in 2009 and is uh oh yeah is he okay um Yeah. Good for him. He's just like, right? You just don't hear about him anymore.
00:37:32
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It's great. It's wonderful. Other presidents could take note. on i So the next 20 was 2020 with Joe Biden. He served a single term and was basically without incident. that also was casting Doe. That's the first time I've ever heard 2020 and basically without incident the same sentence. I'm so sorry to keep up.
00:37:59
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Right? Oh, God. That's funny. Yeah. He made it. Doe. He made it He didn't die. And at least from what this article said, there was no um they didn't list anything specifically but the multiple sources said it's worth to point out that every president since nixon has been a target of at least one assassination plot so them saying that but then saying that joe biden's term was without incident it's like okay but then like what's the plot that was foiled for him like i guess it's never been publicized
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yeah it's interesting unless they just count the whole covet thing yeah oh god so dark yeah so that was the seven out of eight presidents that died while in office um the last one didn't realize so many other presidents shot wow um the only other death in office that isn't attributed to the curse is that of zachary taylor uh who was elected in 1884 1848 and he died in 1950 after consuming one of three things could be either bad water milk or cherries and i put a little question mark being like those are three very different things what bad water was the first one
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Yeah, bought bad water, milk, or cherries. They were really just throwing it in the dark. Bad something. You're like, yeah, probably. yeah Got a case of the bad.
00:39:51
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oh they had such weird names for things. The morbid sore throat. And you're like, oh. um But I guess he was ah also elected at some point in a year, ending in zero.
00:40:07
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um So even though he was elected in 1848, he
00:40:13
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he died in 1850, which was a year ending in zero, they wanted to point out. But most of the other presidents were elected in a year ending in zero and then didn't die in a year ending in zero. So whatever. of flips it, yeah.
00:40:31
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Yeah. Like the New Missy. Yeah.
00:40:35
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Yeah. Many of the other presidents outside of the curse, like those other, what, 19, have also faced other assassination attempts and, like, medical problems and stuff.
00:40:49
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True. We won't talk about them because they don't matter, okay? We have to cherry-pick our data to prove a point. And point is that this curse is real, maybe.
00:41:03
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I mean... That's pretty interesting. and you're like, that's a lot of kinky dinkies. If it wasn't for the fact that like out of 27 presidents in that time, 8 of them die and 7 of them you can like link in this way. I find that part interesting that 7 out of 8 that have died.
00:41:27
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Or at least 6, I guess you could say. out of the eight that have died had like this in common. um Yeah. Over, yeah, a really long period of time, almost as long as we've had presents. Yeah. and um So I just have a few little things. These are kind of like miscellaneous things from the Wikipedia article I also read because they had a really nice like chart that showed it like listed all the presidents what oh yeah year they were elected what term of their election they died like they were in um when they died the term of their death and their like uh cause of death which was really helpful to keep everything straight because it's getting crazy and i was trying to figure out dates i'm like what's going on um but it also had yeah
00:42:27
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Yeah, they also had this little thing. so this is from Wikipedia said in 1931 and 1948, the trivia book series Ripley's Believe It Not noted the pattern and termed it the Curse of Tippecanoe.
00:42:43
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cool. Yeah. um Strange As It Seems by John Hicks ran a cartoon prior to the election that was held 1940.
00:42:58
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And it was titled curse over the White House. And it claimed that in the last 100 years, every US president elected in a 20 year interval, or every US president elected at 20 year intervals has died in office. Which, yeah.
00:43:18
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And then like, we haven't had one for a big chunk since. So that's crazy, too. Yeah, it stopped in the 1960s. and we know the gun violence has not stopped at all.
00:43:35
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ah ah In February of 1960, journalist Ed Koderbaugh noted that the next president of the United States will face an eerie curse that for more than a century has hung over every chief executive elected in a year ending with zero.
00:43:58
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ah Both of their hints at the elected president's death came true ah with Franklin D. Roosevelt's death in 1945 and John F. Kennedy's assassination in 1963. Yeah.
00:44:17
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yeah I mean, it's pretty crazy. i really like the theory. and I do yeah like this one I think I've heard it really like really oh I'm glad I I hoped you didn't because I'm like I feel like if it was like U.S. presidential curse I feel like would be more common maybe um for people to talk about but I don't know I thought it was compelling yeah like I mentioned at least um yeah out of eight of them dying six of them
00:44:51
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were in their term that was elected in a year with ending in zero or was divisible by 20, which is crazy. Exactly. You're like, like I'm like um a meme with the math.
00:45:05
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giant why Why is there a pattern? What does the pattern mean? Is there a pattern? It's the number 23 with the... his face? Jim Carrey. That guy. yeah Almost said Tim Curry.
00:45:20
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Jim Carrey. Very close! you start they're They're kind of starting to make fun of him because he came out and he looks a little bit, you know older and squishier in the face so they're like ah did he have plastic surgery it's like no it's getting old
Humorous Pop Culture Moments
00:45:40
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i was uh listening to the radio this must have been about a week ago when i was driving to work and they were talking about the fact that they just recently auctioned off that you've seen ventura right
00:45:55
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I mean, yeah, my butt cheeks, but yes. um So when he when he crawls out of that rhino, um so apparently they recently auctioned off that rhino.
00:46:11
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And they thought they were going to get, like, very little for it. Well, apparently they got quite a bit for it. Like, way more than they were expecting. So they were talking about on the radio if, like, the person that bought it is just going to crawl out of the rhino's ass and try and recreate the the scene. fun Okay, I'm barely, yeah, I'm not really you' remembering the rhino so much right now. But there was a lot of ass jokes, so it's to read one It's like a safari.
00:46:42
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It's like a safari and there's a bunch of people watching and they think the rhino is giving birth and then it's just Jim Carrey crawling out of the rhino's ass. But they think it's giving birth so they're all like, everybody gather round. We're going to watch a miracle of Mother Nature. It's just Jim Carrey climbing out of a rhino's ass.
00:47:04
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So funny. Oh god. He's these's a A national treasure, that one. He's a national fucking treasure. Love him. He was my childhood, okay? The Mask movie and fucking Grinch and Ace Ventura.
00:47:21
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oh the mask we were watching this um uh docu series or whatever where they just talk about like different like horror movie tropes and they have like you know directors and actors and stuff on and they're like doing the one episode was all on japanese movies and like the one reminded me it had ghosts but then it also had this like demonic mask that this woman tried to like claw off her face and i'm like what the mask yeah like all excited i'm like really weird like that Perhaps it had a dark inspiration. um Yeah. But then when they made it into Jim Carrey's.
00:47:59
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Yeah. Classic.
00:48:03
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Yeah. Oh, man. Well, I really liked that. Thanks. I had fun pretending to care about American presidents. No. No.
00:48:19
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I mean, you know I can listen to like history podcasts and stuff. oh I love that stuff sometimes. I can't. can't. It's so... I can't. yes History's gotta to be one of the least interesting topics to me.
00:48:34
Speaker
You just talked about all these people that got shot and died. Come on. That's like a movie. But like interspersed was like stuff about like wars and achievements and I'm like, oh, she's like, I'm bored myself. feel like I'm in social studies.
00:48:51
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Oh, I thought it was interesting. ah Cause it ties in where you're like that this president, I'm like, well, but then he, he was a curse. Oh God. Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:07
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I'm like, most of these presidents, I was like, I've heard of that one. I've heard of them.
00:49:14
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Didn't know, yeah, so many of the shootings, but I guess I should not be surprised. Yeah. No. I, yeah, seems to be a common theme of, yeah, like, assassination attempts or successes being in your guns. Yeah.
00:49:36
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And one grenade. grenade. George w Yeah, that was wild. i was like, that's crazy. Never in my life did I ever hear somebody tried to kill him with a grenade.
00:49:48
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and he's been on The Simpsons. men's They say a man contains multitudes. um Shit, what was I going to say? Yeah, fucking George W. Oh god, i don't know. Curses. Blah, blah, blah.
00:50:10
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Ronald Reagan. Oh, yeah. I don't know. Was it a... I think it was someone during one of them. Revolutionary Wars. Or perhaps it was a book I was reading on the other one. The... the What's it called? The other American one they had there.
00:50:27
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um my god. My brain is not braining. The Civil War. Yeah. Thank you. That C word. and one of them like got shot And then he said something he was like, real cool about it. And he was just like, Hey, who, who shot me? was Like, go think about what you've done or something like, they were like, do you want to kill him? He's like, nah, leave him alone. He knows, you know he like this I was like, this guy was a bad-ass. Oh fuck. I'm not gonna have to Google.
00:51:00
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I'll Google who it is before we get back to the record part too, because we're probably going to to here and yeah pick it up when I have my notes. Anyway. Nobody needs to know. We'll take a break. And for you guys, we'll be right back. For us, we'll be back in a couple days.
00:51:20
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Yeah. yeah It's, yeah, you're right. It'll be all out together. It'll be fine. It's all fine.
00:51:30
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It's all fine. fine That meme of the dog with like the fire behind and i know. Sometimes I feel like that mentally so i'm just like it's fine. But yeah I really did enjoy that.
00:51:45
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Thanks. I brought the history to our historical podcast. Yeah. are apparently historical, far historical leaning podcast.
00:51:56
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Yeah, we're never gonna be, we're never gonna beat these allegations now. is, I like doing, well, when you have to go true crime, it's like, I know a lot of podcasts will be like, I don't like to cover ongoing cases or ones that are recently in the media. Sometimes it's easier to do, you know.
00:52:14
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Yeah, of course. Sometimes history is fucked up and interesting, I think. Certainly bloody. yeah Anyway. alright All right. All right.
00:52:36
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00:52:57
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00:53:21
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we don't want to play our intro because we already did part one yeah this is part two we already told the people it would be a new day a new day yes it is yeah we'll just welcome them back
00:53:42
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oh
00:53:45
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we are so back hopefully you are too Yeah.
00:53:53
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I heard Gordo. I do not see the Gordo. I heard him too. i heard the shaky, shaky, shake. But now I'm paranoid. no.
00:54:08
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Well, he will let us know. He will let his presence be known, I'm sure. He's right here now. Buddy, you're gonna jump up on the desk?
00:54:22
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It's, yeah. Well, Gordo's excited. The way the cats need to be involved whenever you're working is like the way that my dog needs to be involved whenever you're like trying to hug or kiss your spouse. Eating? Well, that too, but for some reason he doesn't like want to be like, he's like, cuddles? I don't know what it is.
00:54:40
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You're like, oh my god. He's so funny that way. Yeah. Yeah. ah When you texted me the first time recording, I had just settled on the couch and Gordo had just laid on me he was like, I don't know, he likes to drool. don't know what his thing is. Like boxer dogs. Okay. Yeah, he's kind of drooly cat. So I had like this big splotch on my shirt. Oh my god, drooly cat. That was just... Drooly cat. Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:19
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Oh, yeah, i'm go like when I texted you back, because I was like, got your text about recording at about the time you said you would be ready to record. I was like, oh, no. Well, because I knew were getting off at, like, four whatever, and yeah you don't have much of a commute and stuff, but, like, we were we didn't have an exact time. So then when I picked phone... No, I was just going to try and have a snack, and then...
00:55:49
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Here we are two hours later, finally able to record it. I know. I was also having a snack. There was, and then like, oh, don't get me started. My computer.
00:56:02
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Why does I have to want to do the updates and things when I'm like, I just think need restart it. just gotta, you gotta restart Like every day. That's what, that's what technology wants to be rebooted all the time. That's so gross.
00:56:16
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What's wrong with it? I like to just like leave it up here when I'm not thinking about it. it's <unk> My laptop that I like, Pat's like, um, something about the desktop down there. Cause I was like complaining, like it's still fucking updating. I don't know. And they kept going like, yeah. oh don't be surprised if I restart multiple times while we're updating. I'm like, are you shitting me with this? Cause just, yeah you think, you know how long it's going to be.
00:56:46
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I didn't know how long i was going to I was trying to like communicate that. I'm like, I don't know. It's like being stupid, but whatever. was Yeah. It's just like, I forget what it was.
00:57:01
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The point is something about using the desktop one downstairs. And I was like, I can't use it in the downstairs. um It's in, uh our front room there yeah it's just yeah it's like but too open it doesn't even have a door yet it's like mostly used as a library right now and then has a computer and desk in it with a desktop yeah computer that pat but sometimes plays balder's gate on um yeah like so we could probably move some
00:57:34
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desk situation up here but yeah I need help doing this whole room and I have paint swatches because I want to like paint it maybe something darker and like a blue purpley nice that sounds fine yeah all that to say we are back possibly more chatty I don't even remember but I had fun filming I was gonna say filming part one yeah whatever recording yeah we're rested refreshed back with part two <unk>re back on mic look out yeah yeah back on our bullshit yes that's the one
00:58:23
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that seems accurate Gordo's he's ready to learn about something little stitious maybe superstitious oh yes honey it's good friday we're recording but it's not always good sometimes you have a shitty day you had to work i had some some parts were shitty i don't know i just oh but this is gonna be fun i loved your segment and was i we said most of it i think i told you yeah on on when we're still recording i was like that was good and also kind of like
00:59:00
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conspiracy almost like I very much yeah it was like conspiracy curse uh superstition yeah how do you categorize it like kind of all all rolled into one death yeah death curse or or just people being like some of these presidents died and we put it in an algorithm and but like it was it was like almost every 20 years and that always sounds like a very good question It's it' very, very compelling, I'd say.
00:59:35
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i mean, you can't disprove the years most of those people died in and, like, what year they were elected and all that kind of stuff. So... course.
00:59:47
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Abenaki's... Wait, was that the one with the Abenaki? Or am I getting confused because I had to do the notes? Yeah. Okay. Because the Brunswick Spring, too, had, like, a curse on that.
01:00:00
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I can't remember now. I think the Brunswick Spring, that was Abenaki. This was a Shawnee curse. Right. Because brothers were like part of a Shawnee tribe. You definitely have difficult pronunciations in each of them, unfortunately.
01:00:14
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Yeah. Just names. I always feel really bad. i tried. It's tough. We're always going to have our English accents. And it's hard to even, you know, even when you look up pronunciations, some of them are so like generated now, or it's like, ew, that kind of thing where it's like, you even trust them? You'll listen to a handful of them all sound totally different. And you're like, unless somebody like is putting that they're like part of that
01:00:47
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like ethnicity or whatever, I almost don't trust any pronunciation guides because it's like really... yeah you're always going to have your your own native language, your first language is your accent.
01:01:02
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ah Yeah. It's like, oh, sometimes some that just sounds like a robot reading it. That's definitely not how I think you say that name.
01:01:13
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But yeah, it's I find... it's It's getting harder to deal with the internet. That's for sure. Yes. oh Fucking AI. nothing yeah Hate it. Kill it. yeah None of this is ever going to be ChatGPT.
01:01:37
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No. Fucking hate it. ChatGPT whatever pictures and Ugh, I hate all of it.
01:01:49
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Yeah, like, the way they have to, like, explicitly be like, AI generated image. And sometimes they'll see that in shows I'm watching stuff. I'm like, ugh, okay, well, at least I know. Yeah, like, God, there's so many good, like, deep fakes. Graphic designers. And, no, there's just so many good, like, graphic designers and...
01:02:13
Speaker
like people that would be interested in making stuff and now you're making them disinterested because they have to defend themselves against allegations of it being like ai generated and it's so annoying oh totally ah with images and videos and with writing and stuff because people will yeah I'll read a Reddit post and then it'll be like, by the way, this is totally AI.
01:02:40
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Like the comments will be like, too many M dashes. I'm like, what is an M dash? That's a dash. Like what? Okay.
01:02:50
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Yeah. Not everybody writes the same, but it's, it's very strange. Yeah. It's like, people will jump on it. If you're writing style seems off even. Yeah.
01:03:03
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yeah Okay. Okay. Oh man, guys. it's hard It's tough out there, gang. Yep. Oh. Yep. getting worse by the day.
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You've survived the whole pod. I once left the... the whole case outside and it rained a bit that night
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wow so s-s-s-studio yeah please sponsor us they're swedish it's spelled s-u-d-i-o i mean yeah you talked about them enough i got a pair of my own after years you got such a steal on a pair i was like damn girl they're like like okay so ah maybe you pay like a couple hundred dollars for something but then it lasts me like six years like that's a good <unk> worth it you know yeah mine are I don't think the same like level as the ones you must have gotten but mine were 20 bucks at my work yeah they have different kinds for sure so I don't yeah remember exactly what this like model is called or whatever yeah o
01:04:30
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Anyway, we're chatty. I guess we'll get to chat tomorrow too, maybe. But felt like I took up so much of Kelsey's time trying to get my computer to work, so I better get started.
01:04:43
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I'm my whole day. She doesn't have many days off. And then I was just like not working. So. oh Yeah, God.
01:04:55
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It's time to spill can spill the tea on
Bee Superstitions Across Cultures
01:04:57
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this one. It's all about bees.
01:05:01
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Bees? Yeah. I love bees. If you couldn't tell, do I have anything bee related in this room? No. no Looking at her mushrooms. didn't know if you had a bee cake. Mushroom, but your mushroom, mushroom.
01:05:15
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No. I called it spill the tea to your bees. Because that's theme. I have like bee pins and a pair of earrings.
01:05:31
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Technically, my B-pin, it used to be sets of earrings, but the I thought they were too big for my ears. Yeah, so those are the ones I like cut the post off the back and then like glued the like pin backing on it and turned them into like a little tiny brooch.
01:05:49
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have to fix I have a set of yeah studs that were like little it's like D&D related so they're like little d20 they're a little pink d20 dice we might have them on a market well anyway I just yeah you reminded me as I looked up and I was like oh yeah I have feel a little like bee pet like keychain thing oh cute i think i got from work work or something silly that's so funny yeah okay um yeah so there's like actually a lot of superstition and i've actually kind of wanted to low-key cover some bee stuff since like the last outlander book that came out was called go tell the bees that i'm gone and okay i think i have heard of that
01:06:34
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it's it's yeah what is this outlander you speak of i've never heard of oh you would think you have heard of that maybe yeah once or twice it's a car by like mitsubishi no um it's this whole time alana's just been talking about i read it in outlander and it's just the outlander um that Like owner's manual.
01:06:59
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Reminds me of like texting with my brother and then like I said something about the show and he goes, well, yeah, it's ending soon, isn't it? In such a yeah very casual way that it was like an arrow to my heart almost. i was like, well, yes. Are you not devastated? But I do have a prequel show, so.
01:07:24
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Oh, my God. there's there was little There's two girls that do an outlandishly hot recap podcast or whatever it's called. They started it when Blood of My Blood started. It's funny name. The prequel. Yeah.
01:07:37
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They're very Australian and they did a compilation clip of them crying to the trailer, which was quite funny. And then some people took it like too seriously.
01:07:49
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They're like, no, no, we're, I don't know. They were they're pretending it was like some scam or something. I don't know. damn yeah like what the outlander guy wants us to um like a romance scam like like come meet him but he needs five thousand dollars oh no i don't know oh my god sorry so off topic um but not because like scotland and that's you know how i almost first heard about kind of the bee the bee superstitions and stuff and then i i In between that time and now, of one of my podcasts that listen to on the rig cover some bee stuff and I went, oh, I've been wanting to do that. So that's why it's all shoehorned in here. and Okay.
01:08:39
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I'm excited. i don't know about any bee superstitions. Right? It seems so specific. I know they were going extinct and a bunch of them we have saved. Oh, yeah.
01:08:50
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They're very important. Yeah. Very, very important. so yeah, I guess it makes sense that we're... And they're just cute. I guess. I will say I've had love-hate relationship because ah they kind of... I'm scared of the ones that can sting you when they come near you. ah Oh yeah, absolutely.
01:09:12
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I still like them. Yeah, there's a lot a lot about bees. guess we've been fascinated with them for a while. Yeah.
01:09:25
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Uh, and like a lot, a lot of the folklore are much like, well, you know, you have to keep your bees informed or else they will run away because they love gossip. Basically.
01:09:41
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I thought that was so funny. um bees they're kind of crazy i know they will drink like whatever they can find whether it's you know honey if if the fruit's fermented and it's kind of like you know yeah they get drunk they don't they don't mind it they'll drink coffee like i'm sure i've heard that yeah now i'm saying things that i'm throwing out there that i was like that wasn't in my notes please fact check me yeah It's like on um Handsome Pod, sometimes May will say something, they'll be like, May fact!
01:10:18
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You're like, yeah. But sometimes, yeah, there'll be traditions like black ribbons around the hives for a death, say in the family. hu so they'll do that like Wales, places like that.
01:10:35
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There's just a few examples. In the Netherlands, there's like ah a bee bread that is baked upon the death of a person and you offer some to them while you're announcing that they're gone.
01:10:50
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Oh. But, like on the happier side, they will put in France red ribbons around a hive for a wedding and they might share a bit of the wedding cake. So... they kind of get both sides like to the bees yeah to the be because they love sugar and stuff of course right so i think they will just that's so funny flock to it save a slice save a slice of your wedding cake for the bees right
01:11:20
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i love it it's so cute um so in oh and the in the ozarks the mothers to be would tell the bees around them that they were having a baby to ensure that the baby or the kid would be of a sweet nature and be industrious, you know, like a worker bee is.
01:11:41
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So, it's like good luck that way to keep them up to date.
01:11:50
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But yeah, definitely there's like the the whole, they're draping of the black crepe. They carried that into New England, even into the 19th century. or possibly leaving some of the funeral cakes.
01:12:04
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Oh, I didn't ever look this one up, but there was a poem written by John Greenleaf Whittier called Telling the Bees in 1858. I didn't look it up because I just already had so much bee content.
01:12:17
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Yeah. I've heard a couple maybe things about like telling bees stuff.
01:12:28
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You have actually? That's cool. Yeah, but not anything that like ah specific necessarily. i think there was a book I maybe read at some point that was...
01:12:45
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Yeah, something about that. I think it was like a girl that would like go tell secrets to the bees or something. Ooh, okay. I don't really remember.
01:12:59
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It's oh sorry now I gotta plug in my computer. Yeah it does seem to be kind of a custom across a few different cultures which interests me when it does that. Yeah.
01:13:17
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But I guess they are kind of everywhere right so why wouldn't it?
01:13:24
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So in places like Scotland, I know they're considered sort of messengers that can go, you know, beyond the veil between life and death. It's kind of interesting. I don't know. They're kind of so soft and bumbly. Some of them you're like, they don't seem like a ah death guy. Yeah.
01:13:47
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But it's not like it's a death omen to see one, you know. No. Like those owls. No.
01:13:58
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my I got my owl earrings on and I was thinking about how I think something about barn owls on your house at night or something is supposed to be like.
01:14:07
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Was it at night? They're always out at night. Oh yeah. don't know. Like yeah. Also, I saw a very funny video where an owl turned his head all the way around and a cat got very scared and into this little cat face where his little mouth came out.
01:14:22
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I can't even. He's just like, no, you can do this. was so confused. Like, you see that shit? Exactly.
01:14:34
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And then he ran away. Yeah, they'll be like, sorry. they'll be like, bee leafs, like a bee coming in the house heralds important news.
01:14:48
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Or if one lands on your hand, it means wealth is on your way, according to some Cornish beliefs. Nice. Right. I had that once when I was like a kid. I was out on the playground at school and I was like really young, like this would have been grade three or four.
01:15:08
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Oh, okay. Yeah. And bee landed on the side of my pinky. It was like just hanging on to like, oh just standing on my pinky. And I didn't realize that at first and then it wouldn't fly away. So it was just like on the side of my pinky for like a couple minutes.
01:15:26
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That's so like crazy. yeah I wonder how still you were being because I feel like they don't. I don't know. I had been, I was just standing there and I didn't notice it until like the very end. And then it was just like, Oh my God.
01:15:40
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Cause I hated bugs. So. Yeah. You're just like, yeah, it's not that it's like snakes and spiders and stuff. Sometimes people are afraid of them not. Cause it's like, well, we're just a little scared. They could, you know, be a little creepy or hurt us a bit. ah oh Yeah. Yeah.
01:16:00
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Oh, Yeah, I have been stung once and that it like, ah was it was at King's Landing and I was wearing long dress, at the petticoat, so it got somewhere where was up in the back and I could like hear it and then I would like turn around. like But it's it's behind me. and so it was like the small of my back kind of.
01:16:24
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Yeah. in this one house yeah they had like um kind of a modern like when you went down to the basement where only employees were allowed it had um a modern break room and a bathroom that people could go to in the one house and so i went down there and i took my like petticoat off and like shook out my dress be yeah don't know maybe didn't even like don't did they actually die after they sting you because i feel like he might have been still crawling around a bit but It was a mark. Maybe some of them do.
01:16:59
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I don't know if I ever got stung by a bee, but I got stung by, like, a wasp or something. we were outside when I was a kid having, like, a campfire, like, a wiener roast kind of thing.
01:17:11
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And... My parents brought me and my friend like blankets and I was wearing shorts and i like wrapped the blanket around myself, but kind of like like I was a burrito. So like i rolled up in the blanket and like tucked it around me. And then, ah yeah, like a wasp or whatever must have flown on the inside when I was wrapping it because then I got stuck between the fabric and the blanket right up against my leg.
01:17:42
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and or he was already in there just hanging around maybe and then i like threw the blanket and it's like running because yeah leg hurt so bad oh no kidding ouchie yeah and they don't even make honey they just wasps yeah they just suck right It's also every time I open my patio thing that I have to look because sometimes there's like moths or whatever also kind of already up in the patio.
01:18:17
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Yeah. land that was going to say lantern. That's not it. You know i mean. Patio lantern. Umbrella. Yeah. Yeah, so there's like folklore.
01:18:31
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Let's see. Let's see. Oh, they land on your head. If you're in Germany, it means great success. Nice. The Celts believe they have hidden wisdom and ancient knowledge.
01:18:42
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um And then a quote I had about kind
01:18:51
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kind of how like religious ties sort of. This folklore persisted through to Christian times with folktales in Scotland and England stating that bees would hum loudly at midnight on Christmas Day for the Savior's birth.
01:19:04
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When the new Gregorian calendar was adopted in 1752, 11 days were removed and the fact that the bees could not be heard humming on the new Christmas day was taken as a sign of God's displeasure at the changes.
01:19:17
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Or that they just didn't take note of you arbitrarily changing the date. Yeah.
01:19:26
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They can't read a calendar. I'm sorry. Yeah.
01:19:32
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They didn't get the memo. No, they did not. One bullet point, which was a thing they didn't really delve into in the source I was in was like, Greeks would often call the Oracle of Delphi the the Delphic Bee or I was like, okay.
01:19:52
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I've heard of the Oracle maybe and sometimes they have probably- The Matrix?
01:20:00
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I love the name the word Delphi. Something is like, and they well, they had prophets and stuff, like Cassandra, I feel like was a Greek prophet. But like it did whatever I was reading did not expand on it. And there like I said, there was just so much stuff that sometimes I didn't really. I'm like, I'm sorry. Yeah.
01:20:20
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um Like, I'm still on page one. with But... In Egypt, bees were believed to be born of Ra's tears, and the sun god bestowed them god status.
01:20:35
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Nice. They're gods now. Known elsewhere in the ancient world as the land of the bee, Egypt exported huge quantities of honey from the south of the country in big clay jars. as well as large volumes of beeswackfer beeswax for cosmetics to make molds for metal workers and as clean burning candles for the rich.
01:20:57
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It's just like so versatile. it's Only the rich. Yeah. Only the rich. Some candles are only for the fucking rich. Once I get my subscription series started on our Patreon...
01:21:12
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where I've been like reviewing some from the Scentbird subscription which is like little trial perfumes and stuff. I'm like... Oh! The... like the room sprays and stuff. I have one here that's like kind of vanilla-y. Nice. Because they did an Outlander collection, by the way.
01:21:34
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But like the candles are like the fucking 40, 50, 60, $70 candles. I'm like, I, that's insane. You don't, yeah I can't buy a candle. now I would never like that. um at my work. So I don't even want to know what this candle costs normally because at my work, it's a hundred dollars. It's a hundred dollars at my work. And that's, so that's like a, yeah. Yours is more like a wholesaler, like a more discounter store. Yeah. Yeah.
01:22:02
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yeah It's like 40 to 60% off normally. So like, yeah. Charging people $200 for this candle, Tom Ford. I never know what to believe with those tags. Sometimes where they're like retail price. I'm like, how the fuck would I know? I don't go into those stores. And somebody, somebody returned one.
01:22:23
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i So me and some other people, ah finally had a chance to smell it like outside of all of its, packaging it's packaged like almost like a fragrance so it's like in a whole box and then it's like cellophane so like you couldn't even smell it that's such bullshit it smells awful a fucking hundred dollars that reminds me of that scene in friends where joey accuses chandler of stealing all the good smells from his meatball sub because he's gonna suck up all the good scents in the back of the cop car oh my god it's
01:23:01
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Also, I am mostly Chandler. a lot of the times.
01:23:08
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We can all relate to some of them. Because I can also relate to the love of a sandwich. Oh my god. but Yeah. yeah Chandler and Joey it were forever my favorites.
01:23:19
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Oh my god. i might be a combination of Chandler and Joey. m You heard it here first. Okay. The...
01:23:32
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Oh god, where was I? Oh, up here. Excuse me. Oh, I had the Greek thing in there twice. Yeah, historically Egypt was all about the honey. It said there are documents indicating that almost 14,000... They're the honey trap! no
01:23:57
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No. Sorry. Almost 14,000 tons of honey were transported annually north along the Nile. the production and exporting of honey and other bee products were tightly controlled by the state with many wonderful titles of government officials including sealer of the honey divine sealer overseer of all beekeepers and chief beekeeper but i would like to sign up for taster taste taste quality control
01:24:30
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Yeah. Did you ever see the movie with Jason Statham that just like called the beekeeper or whatever?
01:24:39
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You know what? If I did, i absolutely don't remember it. Fair enough. It's, you know, he's not playing role that's any really different from any of the other ones because he's called like a beekeeper, but what they really are fucking like assassins or whatever.
01:24:56
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And yeah, or hit you know killers. and But it's sweet because it does, it's sweet. but funny Because it starts with an old, it's like a a senior getting scammed actually, which I was like speaking of scams. And then he like yeah goes on a rampage.
01:25:18
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Nice. That's the impetus. Yes, that's the John Wick. Why am I killing all these people? Yeah. yeah
01:25:29
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Also, the perfume thing I talked about there, doing a John Wick collection. i don't know if I told you that. I think I might have. Adult Pat. John Wick. was like, what does it the smell like? Gunpowder?
01:25:40
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Gunpowder. ah Gunpowder, sweat, and blood. Wet dog.
01:25:48
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Kiana reaps tears. If only they could... No, he cries no tears. he never. He would never. Unless somebody hurt. Never once shed a tear. This lady.
01:26:02
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it's just so funny to me what kind of sense do you do you pull from a john wick movie seriously though rain it's actually like good like i'll put this series up on the patreon where it's like yeah some people you know what the smell of rain on ground is actually called there's a name for it's called petrichor and you'll see like sense petrichor names it'll be like this smells like sandalwood or musk or petrichor or like yeah it'll be like these crazy like scents you're like okay yeah i like sandalwood love a sandalwood yeah yeah i love that especially in like a fragrance yeah i'm into like some warm tones if it's like
01:26:54
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Get some vanilla, but it's not just straight up sweet. Straight sugar vomit. I hate that. Or anything straight floral. Not a habit. With nothing cutting through it. yeah Yeah. Too much. I don't want to smell like a Hollister. Thank you. A Hollister store with your stained dummies you used to spray 17 times a day.
01:27:16
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No, and you can be like... Anyway, I'll get it. I do swear I get it too on some videos I'm going to post, but you know, you can be like, Oh, can it be like a manlier scent with like a musk or something that's like, Oh, to perfume for men. And you're like, yeah, that's fine. Like, Ooh, it's got some pepper in it. Some tobacco. Like that sounds good to me actually. Yeah.
01:27:40
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I like the, like the spicy. Yeah. Um, Ones, yeah, it's got to be, like, multidimensional. It can't just be, like, this is Bath and Body Works, like, just toasted marshmallow. no. Which smells like sugar.
01:27:58
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it's actually really nice. It's much for me. Yeah. I don't mind it on other people, but, like, I would get a headache if I was wearing that fragrance on myself all day. But it doesn't bug me. Other people are.
01:28:12
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But yeah, just for my own. Because there's a girl at work, she has like specifically a toasted marshmallow like fragrance. And every single time she wears it, I'm like, you're actually making me hungry. Like it smells so good.
01:28:26
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Oh, so it and oh yeah, you can really smell the one specific scent. Yeah. <unk> Yeah. And even over like four hours working with her, it won't bug me or like annoy me. So like that one's really well done. But that's crazy. Some of the other ones.
01:28:41
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Yeah. One of the ones I got from Scentbird had a ah toasted marshmallow element to it that's so funny. But yeah, it's just nice. It's just like, I feel like we all just had um vanilla or, oh, there was another like ah body spray that everybody was into like tropical something when I was like a teen. um Oh, anyway, so sorry.
01:29:10
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o So yeah, honey goes everywhere. Goes to Greece, ah where legend has it a nymph named Melissa. Strange name for a nymph, I thought.
01:29:25
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ah She discovered and taught man how to make and use honey, and she also had wings and gave the power of prophecy from signs in nature to humans. So that's kind of cool.
01:29:38
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Magical Melissa. Yeah, what a name.
01:29:45
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So many are those like country region specific. Russia, if a bee flies around around you three times, you will go on a journey soon. um Sorry, these ones aren't in like a category, I guess. oh In Appalachia, if a bee flies inside your house, then right back out, a visitor or a stranger is going to come by.
01:30:06
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But if the bee stays a while, so will your visitor. So. not joke so but in lithuania they believe the souls of the very best people come back as bees cute i know
01:30:26
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um slavic culture says they're sacred creatures they are revered for their connection across living and dead oh that's similar to the scottish um and there being weather predictors this kind of found in beliefs all over europe because kind of makes sense because animals will kind of know if there's going to be like a hard winter and that's i've heard that native american beliefs yeah yeah just makes sense you're just kind of connected to what's going on around you but it's like the vibes yeah the vibes the vibes of the hive and love this
01:31:03
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Um, so if they're flying close to home, ah that's because like bad weather could be coming like rain, you know, snow. Uh, if they're wandering near and far, clear skies ahead. Usually, especially in the UK where they say if they're back to the hive before noon, then you're going get like thunderstorms.
01:31:21
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Um, think I've heard something like that before. Really? but but Yeah. Maybe when I was a kid. Yeah.
01:31:32
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yeah I feel like we're always trying to predict it like with the sailors and they have all those rhymes with the red sky night, sailors delight and stuff.
01:31:45
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And they would say like in France, if they had, thick thickly sealed hives sort of thing the harshness like harsh winter ahead if they were really thick and that kind of thing oh they were fortifying right okay that makes sense come and I like that I feel like that's how I fell into this one where it was like I like those what superstitions that kind of turned out to mean something and then I did kind of find a listicle where some, like, yeah, i would explain some of it and they'd be like, well, but i don't know. I think i have some of the notes where it's like the mirror, seven years, bad luck. If you break the mirror, who we definitely talked about this on paper because you said people break mirrors all the time when you sell mirrors. and Yeah. yeah um
01:32:39
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But like, because in and want to say like Russia, the mirrors were tied to your health or beliefs about that that like then it was believed you'd have seven years of like bad health or something and i was like oh that's one of the only like um explanations or expansions i've seen on that lore and i i tried to find more like that but i had a hard time and then i was just like there's just so much with the bees and so yeah interesting
01:33:16
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Um, yeah, similar to that in Sweden, if you have very busy bees in late summer, it's a long winter ahead. god, we see some bees. Makes sense.
01:33:27
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Yeah. Yeah. think I've seen some geese come back, but, or heard some. It's finally like, spring is springing. Yeah, if it finally stops randomly snowing in the middle of the day.
01:33:45
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yeah for like an hour two and then stopping yeah if you guys still live in parts of canada you wouldn't be complaining like the american podcasters i listen to they're like it's it's hot already in places yeah yeah we're not quite there yet no um but it does say that some of that was based on some factual information such as bees are sensitive to changes in uh Barometric pressure?
01:34:16
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Is that how you say it? Thank you. Yeah. i was like barometri- nope. No. It's the changes in like when you're gonna get precipitation. So it's like rain and everything. It's some people get migraines that are associated with changes in weather and barometric pressure. So they get problems when it like um starts raining or you get a thunderstorm or kind of stuff that like it's like a drastic change oh yeah then someone's like their like knee starts aching and they're like we're gonna get rain because my joints hurt I've heard of this sort of sort of thing sometimes we're like in Mean Girls when that girl can always tell when it's already raining or whatever she says Amanda Seyfried's character
01:35:11
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is yeah good oh yeah yeah it's like something about not the sports channel is it oh no she can she becomes a weather girl and she's like there's a 90 chance it's already raining back to you it's like yes that's how my tits feel yeah like yes but it's also already raining
01:35:39
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great job Oh, there was a good post the other day where like, yeah, it was a weather person that had the last name Blizzard. And I was like, yes, we had one whose name was Cindy Day. And i always thought it's it's just one letter from Windy Day. You're born to be that thing.
01:35:54
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Or then it was like, ah ah in the compilation thing, it was like a cop that was named like Lieutenant Rob Banks or something. I was like, great, great. ah Rob's bank.
01:36:04
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Yeah. Yeah.
01:36:08
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oh Yes, so how to train your dragon or your bees. You gotta to get to know them. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, they'll... I don't know if they're like ravens and all that, but they will apparently recognize you and and, you know, they'll know you if you don't treat them right, so they'll... Oh.
01:36:31
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They'll not stick around as they do ken their keepers.
01:36:38
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Um... Oh, and this one I found was similar to what some people say about your first like set of tarot cards. It's better to be like gifted your bees or you don't pay for them.
01:36:50
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Oh, You barter for them, maybe. Interesting. Hi, baby. Yeah, I believe this is like in parts of Britain and stuff. It's supposed to be luckier. um Hello, Gordo. Hello.
01:37:05
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And Scottish traditions say to put them in their new home, their new, sometimes it's called a scap, or, you know, a hive, ah before sunset or they won't prosper.
01:37:17
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and if you are the new keeper of an established hive, you must introduce yourself to them at midnight. And it's lucky you should tap each hive thrice with a small metal key while saying your name. Yeah.
01:37:32
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those are so specific wait what if it's beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice
01:37:42
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yeah in britney france you introduced your hive with a treat of bees bread soaked in wine and i was just like bees love food double drunk yeah And you have to keep stress, violence, and swearing away from your bees too, because they are very happy drunks and that will spoil their vibe. As you said, it's all good vibes. Gordo,
01:38:10
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ken you're just staring at me. i mean Sometimes a swarm settling on your property is seen as good luck, as in some Slavic superstitions. where a wild bee colony found would bring seven generations of prosperity.
01:38:28
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Damn. Fuck seven years, right? Yeah. I, where do I sign up for the seven generations of prosperity? Let's go looking for some bee colonies.
01:38:44
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Yeah. Um, So Portuguese fisher folk think a beehive found on your vessel, your debts will forever be full.
01:38:56
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don't know often that happens. ah No. On your, like, ship.
01:39:08
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Okay, yeah, this one's just kind of silly and fun to me. The Swiss have a saying, a swarm is in May is worth a load of hay. A swarm in June is worth a silver spoon.
01:39:19
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A swarm in July isn't worth a fly.
01:39:24
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So it's too late. I don't know why. god maybe Yeah, Help pollination has got to happen earlier in the year, probably. Yeah, they'd probably just be, like, kind of getting ready to hibernate or something. Who knows? Yeah.
01:39:39
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have to hold this little boy up. He's leaned against me. He's gonna fall off the desk again. Just like last week.
01:39:50
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Little boy. cats, cats, cats, cats. Yeah.
01:40:00
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Oh, and Wales, a hive on your roof will bring wealth to your home. And also, strangely, bees inside your house were signs of poverty.
01:40:11
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So you rid them with some sort of rival words.
01:40:15
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Man, oh man. Where you call an exterminator and they help you relocate. yeah feel like I halfway down the rabbit hole and be beliefs and folklore. There's like, there's blessings. Oh my god, like.
01:40:32
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Have you ever seen those videos of, like, people having crazy bee, like, nests in, like, their car or ah in the walls of their house? They'll, like, cut open their drywall and it'll just be, like, dripping.
01:40:48
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It's, like, crazy. Like, that the... the hive had taken root there? Yeah, they'll like go in between the like two by fours in your wall. So like that section in between where it's just the drywall and they'll fill it up with like all the honey.
01:41:09
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Like, they build their hive in there. So it's, like, the whole wall. And then they cut it open. And it's just, like, the comb. And then the honey will just be, like, dripping on the backside of the drywall.
01:41:20
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it's It mostly happens in, like, super abandoned houses and stuff. But like, rundown ones. Wouldn't that be better to find than a wasp's nest in some ways? Like, it's horrible still.
01:41:33
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Well, I think, like... You could move them? Yeah, like a wasp nest. um i don't know if they really build in walls but i think with the honey and everything it can cause like a lot of like physical damage exactly they can be in like yeah i thought we had a wasp nest in like a corner of a garage or something but like yeah i mean nasty But damn. I had a wasp nest that was being built in like our little, um, I think in my garage or something. Cause I don't really, like, I can't really use it cause the garage door doesn't open properly. It's cause the garage has like sunk. Oh, we have garage door opener problems too. Yay.
01:42:22
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So the, yeah, there was like a nest in there and what we always did. Okay. back from when I was a kid is you like put air in a paper bag and like blow it up and then you just tie it up with a string and it looks enough like a wasp nest that the wasp thinks there already is a nest there so they won't build their own and it works like every time it's crazy weird so you put it where you want them to go like sort of thing or no you just like hang it you just hang a fake one like anywhere in your garage or anything, and then if they ever go in there, they'll, like, see it and think, oh, there's already, like, a group here, so then they, like, leave and they won't build there.
01:43:08
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So strange. Yeah. But it works. Oh, that's crazy. Like, good to know. Yeah. Because they're very, like, territorial. Right.
Historical Uses of Honey
01:43:25
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Yeah, so basically... To get back to everybody's been using honey for a lot of healing properties and things and recipes and remedies for a long time. Oh, and it's just a natural sweetener. Oh, Yeah.
01:43:40
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And sore throats. Right. That's what my mom always liked to do. Honey and cinnamon was like basically the only sort of quote unquote medicine we could ever get rain to choke down. which I kind don't blame her because I used to have to take things that I then later called dirt medicine. So I get it.
01:44:02
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But the Egyptians had more than like 500 uses and recipes and such some such things to treat everything from eye disease to infertility. Yeah.
01:44:14
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Stick it on your eye, put it on your cock.
01:44:23
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uh anyone that does watch outlander will know claire has used it to set someone's eye that she had to put back in its socket basically which is kind of gross when i say it like that but that's what happened as like a like a germ barrier or something yeah kind of like an eye drop something to put under the eye patch to keep Because it's viscous and antibacterial, so it kept the eye.
01:44:55
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Mm-hmm. That's very gross. um The Greeks and Romans believed honey mixed with olive oil could restore eyesight, while honey with wine was thought to cure impotence. Oh, yeah, so more of the eye.
01:45:08
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Everything from your eyes to your dick. You can cure everything. Right? It's a literal cure-all. The original snake oil. yeah Just kidding.
01:45:20
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it probably It's probably the oldest snake oil. It can do everything. Just mix a little cocaine in. but Yeah. um Medieval Europe. look look Sorry.
01:45:38
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Medieval European monasteries kept extensive apiaries, the bee places, specifically for medicinal honey production. Yeah. monastic records show honey mixed with various herbs was prescribed for ailments ranging from insomnia to intestinal worms and actually i have that like a make me like a viking book that i have where it's like just make it with natural just honey and like yeast from the fruit and stuff and it's like uh yeah they have a bunch that are like kind of more remedies where you'll make this one and put some herbs in it and it's kind of more like
01:46:17
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drink it for your health than drink it to get drunk. Yeah. Uh, why not both? Yeah, exactly. poqueos no dos Or whatever. keep saying
01:46:32
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Keep hearing people say that in podcast in Spanish. I don't know why they're American. Probably.
01:46:40
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Probably. Yeah. Our like default second language is French. So that's not us.
01:46:47
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Um,
01:46:50
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Yeah. Okay. So that was just more of the quote about the medicinal and I, you're, you're Vedic. I forget how to say that. I've heard of this. It's like some holistic medicine, uh, I, you're Vedic medicine from India, honey combined with specific herbs was used to treat respiratory conditions.
01:47:10
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Um, Russian folk medicine advocated honey poultices for drawing out infection while Finnish tradition held that burns treated with honey would heal without scarring even.
01:47:23
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and They weren't all about but them German scars to make you look badass or whatever. Yeah. Oh.
01:47:35
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So apparently does have yeah natural antibacterial, inflammatory, and also wound healing propertyatory properties. And nowadays, apparently medical grade honey can still be used for treating wounds, especially antibiotic resistant infections.
01:47:52
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And this, I was like, okay, some say eating local honey gives you immunity to seasonal allergies. And I would imagine it just has to do with you having the local flora and fauna, the flora for the bees, like in your system. cross pollination or something. Yeah. They make the, they they they go to the flowers in your region and they make the honey. And so then you're ingesting that in the honey. nice Nice. It's like, okay.
01:48:21
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That's what you should do. know Allergies. um we'll go We'll go to that ah the farmer's market in St. Albert again and we'll find some we'll find some fucking Edmonton goddamn honey and we'll buy it. Yes.
01:48:40
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We won't get sniffly as much. It's true, right? Yeah. I've made some mead here, but also we went out to speak speaking of mead, honey wine, we went looking for some uh mr pink today and couldn't find it but we did find some of the saskatoon mead which is made the saskatoon berries and it's also quite delicious like a blackberry you know what they are they like a blueberry sort of situation yeah i don't love them so it's not my favorite thing yeah oh but yes i was gonna take you to that uh have you been to the sherbrooke liquor store
01:49:23
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Because they had a lot of like craft beer and stuff in cans. And I know you love your like cool cans. Oh, no, I don't. I don't think I've been there. This one I got from there was called true. It was from a true North cider, which is made in Alberta. And it was an Earl Grey flavored cider. So I did find that.
01:49:45
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And that wast was right. it good? It was all right. Yeah.
01:49:50
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6.4%. It's kind of a... Nice. I know, right? It's up there. Right? Even for Canadian, like, the ciders tend to range on the, like, 5% side.
01:50:02
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And then I always laugh when Americans talk about their beer being like three or four or something. Like, that's so light. Yeah. And you're enjoying your your non-alcoholic beer there, bud. Yeah.
01:50:16
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And actually, you know what actually is fun is I like that they do have a lot of good sort of some brands are doing more non-alcoholic beverage options. And so that liquor store has quite a few interesting ones as well. So that's nice. Well, if you're going to make a party. We'll have to go there.
01:50:31
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Yeah. Yes. I was like, oh, I think Kelsey would like all these different cans and stuff. I was sad because the the one liquor store that's attached used to be attached to the Italian center that I went into a couple times. yeah They used to have the six pack ring.
01:50:49
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And you could, it was like a build your own thing. So you could pick like whichever ones you wanted. yeah And they closed down. They're not there anymore. was like, that was really nice. Because you could just pick whatever you wanted. And if you only wanted to try something, you didn't have to buy like a four or six pack of something. Exactly. And there's a chance you don't like it. I like an individual option where I'm like, I can buy just one of those. Yeah.
01:51:14
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That's not crazy overpriced. Like you're not paying open a whole bunch for... you're basically still almost paying the price of getting six as you would from the same brand. Yeah. Mix and match. thing Yeah.
01:51:26
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was nice. This one's kind of a more upscale. So wouldn't say it's like the cheap ass place we can get our meat and stuff, but yeah, they definitely, we went, we went to recycle some of the six pack or four pack, like plastic rings that they put on them. Now the caps and we're like,
01:51:48
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chunk chunk was like oh no it doesn't have a big hole we have to sit here like throwing them in because we had like a stack of them oh no oh god um all right i'm on to the last the more love marriage history of the honey and honey in the bee connection okay love the bees Oh, my favorite is when we get into the honeymoons.
Honey, Love, and Marriage Traditions
01:52:20
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But apparently there was some like St. Valentine's connection. i don't know. I don't know if this makes sense. I did include some of a quote on it.
01:52:32
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And it seems divided. Like somebody tried to shoehorn honey into St. Valentine's story for some weird reason. Like... oh um so the one source did say that honey and bees have long been associated with deities of love across europe to africa and um so his i guess meaning like we're talking about saint valentine his current image is not out of place how he Was he recruited into such charming company? Some say that one dilemma of the early church was how to oust the Roman feast of Lupercalia on the 15th of February.
01:53:16
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you know, they got to get rid of them pagan and make it their own Christian thing. Yeah. Just like Saturnalia Christmas or whatever. um This may be laugh. It was a hairy flock blessing revel of dancing, drinking, sacrifice, love lotteries, and wild sexual expression.
01:53:39
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This ancient custom and festival of eroticism revived by Julius Caesar had its power rooted in a place, Lupercus, where the legendary she-wolf Lupus suckled Romulus and Remus.
01:53:52
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Hence, it never caught on in Britain. Yeah, like what? Those Romans and Greeks. Yeah. The prudes. Yeah. yeah We're like, we can't take it like that. oh They see a woman's ankle, they faint.
01:54:09
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Sugarcoat it for us.
01:54:12
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Yes, it's like, so hence it never caught out in Britain, but the celebration of St. Valentine's Day did.
01:54:21
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It is thought by some that in the effort to create a more demure and dour celebration of love, they searched for an innocent saint. A man named Valentine, who was martyred on the 14th of February in the 3rd century, fitted the bill.
01:54:36
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And yes, I know it's not Valentine's Day, but that just came up. Sorry. yeah but but what Why was he killed? Why was he murdered? right Why are we making this about him?
01:54:48
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yeah yeah they're like the problem was he had nothing to link him with the making of love the birds and the bees or any kind of romance
01:54:59
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this reminds me of like the easter thing where they're like why why eggs and they're like because it's from the pagan thing that had to do with eggs there's no christian connection but and like does the bunny poop the egg
01:55:19
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Remember, we were trying to figure what to do next. And what about peeps? And you're like, what's in April? And then I was like, wait, Easter, Jesus crimes? Jesus crimes. Just as Jesus killing people? Oh, yeah, Christianity crimes. We'd be here all day, all day.
01:55:40
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i could do this all day.
01:55:45
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Oh, God, I'm sorry. Um, what the fuck I say?
01:55:51
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I think I'm going to turn my light on now. oh um Oh, yes. Nothing to link him with any kind of romance. Mightier pens were thought to have been wielded and he was rebranded, excuse the pun, okay, as an emperor defying prisoner who restored the sight to and fell in love with his jailer's daughter.
01:56:17
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Okay. Cool. I guess. Re-opted this new story of love. Interesting meet cute. yeah Yeah.
01:56:31
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Others. Oh, sorry. buper Who restored the sight to and fell in love with his jailer's daughter. He is said to have left her a farewell note signed Your Valentine. Because that was his name.
01:56:46
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Sorry. Yeah. Just like, okay. Others will tell you that St. Valentine was never associated with romance until much later and that Chaucer revived the saucy connotations of his feast day.
01:56:58
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That was... What? He's just some British writer guy. What?
01:57:05
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yes Holidays are so weird, right? It's like we we all do Thanksgiving. None of them make any sense. no Thanksgiving didn't... Nobody made it happen until some lady was like writing for her women's magazine and was like, I want to make all these recipes!
01:57:21
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Let's celebrate this thing. You're like, oh god. Let's cook a turkey for six hours. ah And make a jello mold.
01:57:35
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I hope you have a very happy Easter with your family, by the way. It's good, right? don't have to read your shit on. No, and sometimes I'm a little bitter with holidays because sometimes I can't be with my family. And that's what they are sometimes. Just an excuse to, like, be with family, right? Yeah. Like.
01:57:56
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yeah but oh so yeah saint valentine is the patron saint beekeepers question mark i wrote that down and i believe it to be true um and then like also comes associated with aphrodite venus and other goddesses of love uh because sure why not bring them along too um fight everybody yeah oh The more the merrier.
01:58:27
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Also a side note that one, you know, the source said that was Cupid's arrow can also, sorry for the way I said that. Cupid's arrow was either dipped in sweet honey or acidic venom.
01:58:40
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So, you know. Okay. Sure. Yeah. He makes you love her. He makes you hate. Maybe. Maybe. And there's been other patron saints, like Bulgaria's Saint Karl Lombe, who used honey and natural remedies and had a feast day of February 26th. And you can celebrate him by baking hive-shaped pies and blessing your honey.
01:59:06
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Bless you, honey.
01:59:10
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Bless you. Bless your heart, honey.
01:59:16
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um Ireland, I think, has St. Abigail and St. Deborah, patroness of beekeeping, whom legend said an angel appeared and told her, you will find your rightful place, your resurrection place, where she would then dwell forever.
01:59:33
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And there she saw nine white deer. Or the one story goes that she threw hives of bees at some thieves, and the air was made brown with a blanket of bees.
01:59:44
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ha ha! Like locusts! I think that just rhymed. She was... Sorry. So stupid.
01:59:56
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I threw beehive at you. Yeah. So yeah, like it's someone's video game. Like, you're Donkey Kong. Yeah. Um... But I love a legend. And the rest was that another she turns bees to soldiers in a beehive into a brass helmet.
02:00:11
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So I don't know what her origin story is. Only one helmet for all those soldiers? Lord of the Bees!
02:00:23
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The fight to the death over the helmet and the the one that survives is now her valentine. And really it was a love story the whole time. Yeah, why did he even show up? Yes, Gordo! was so confused.
02:00:37
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Did you hear this, boy? no I didn't. oh St. Bartholomew was a bee dude, and then there was also like mead dudes, like St. Findian, who that guy I read would only eat bread and water all week until Saturday, where he got to eat a salmon and one cup of mead.
02:00:56
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And that was his whole bunch.
02:01:01
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Nice. That was his cheat day. Yikes. Oh my god. Not like the legendary rocks. Yeah. Like 17 chocolate cookies. Maybe not anymore. now Skinny now.
02:01:16
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Yeah. um Apparently St. Brigid. I've heard of her too. Felt like she came up with this another spring holiday. Like the Candlemas?
02:01:28
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I don't think she's Celtic. But her superpowers... Include blessing m blessing empty vessels that, boom, are filled with mead. You know, your tankards. Nice. Yeah, like maybe your whole like keg or whatever. I'm like, oh shit, girl.
02:01:47
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you weren The patron saint of keg parties. ah stick No, they literally were like, she can turn your whole bath water into beer. I'm like, we just used to like, you had to remember, like, you ever had a hotel party and like, you start filling the bathtub with the ice or the ice cream.
02:02:07
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and he put the beer in it Yeah. Oh yeah. There was a Saint Benedict who summoned bees to nectar on his old feast day, which the Druids called Alban Isler or the light of the earth.
02:02:24
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ah But yeah, the more to the love side and honeymoons in ancient Greece, I think it's called high metas honey. And it was fed to newlyweds for a sweet union um then roman brides were given honey cakes as fertility symbols also even victorian age people exchanged honey bottles on valentine's day to ensure fertility and in eastern europe they gifted honey to the brides to bless the marriage with children as well they just really wanted everybody to have kids
02:03:05
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And and the the mead and the honey was the way to go. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody get drunk and have sex. Basically. You hit the nail on the head. And there's no birth control. Yeah. but it would But it was the mead's fault. Well, of course it was the mead's fault.
02:03:27
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Yeah. Yeah.
02:03:30
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um yeah there's still more of those ones where it's like oh i have having to do with your finding your love a bee landing on your hand in ireland might have been believed to be true love is on your way and in italy ah be near a young woman's face meant her future partner is nearby i love the weird ways they used to try to figure out who your husband was gonna be yeah that's so bizarre yeah i mean we all had our little fortune telling paper thing we did called mash or whatever but that yeah before that it was like they would like mansion apartment yes shack uh shack and house so but sometimes they would like uh what was it carve a whole um
02:04:15
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like apple skin off and be like, and then it the letter it makes is your husband's name. It's like, so everybody's husband started with like, O or C or something circular. but Yeah.
02:04:29
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it It sure isn't over there making an R. No. And I used to really have a thing for guys that's name started with J when I was younger.
02:04:42
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Yeah, I'm thinking you're gonna get that.
02:04:46
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Um, yeah. Oh yeah. It's also like similar. Uh, Romania, she who catches a bee in spring is married like within the next year.
02:04:57
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um in Switzerland, dreaming of a bee meant a wedding was coming soon. And Bohemia believed a step on to step on a bee was to get a lazy husband.
02:05:12
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no but I would just like to say they always say a husband and whatever, but just replace it with partner because it's it's just always like, you know, hetero. Yeah. code it This sounds like a bunch of people getting stung by bees and they're like, no, it means your husband is the way or no, it means going to have good luck. Don't worry about it.
02:05:32
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Yeah. A bee stung your face, but it means this is how we explain things we don't understand. No, it's just stinging because you've gotten its way.
02:05:44
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Um, oh, and basically anywhere it seems in Great Britain is lucky to see a bee on your wedding day. so That would probably have to do with like if it rains on your wedding day, it's supposed to on the beach.
02:05:58
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There's lot There's like a lot of flowers at weddings. So if you have an outdoor wedding and you see a bee, it's probably likely. It's very logical. Yeah. for that I don't know if you but you've ever had it, but I used to have it when I dyed my hair red like yours. um I would get bees that would follow me.
02:06:19
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because my hair color oh do they follow you too well i've dyed it quite reddish for a long time so it would be hard to know if there was a difference at this point actually i would have already been dying it when i was a teenager when i got my the beasting i was talking about at king's landing like yeah yeah yeah Yeah, because any time I've ever had a bee come near me, other than the time when it landed on my finger when I was a kid, oh yeah every other time a bee has come near me, it's when my hair has been red. And, like, bees will follow me, and they'll try and land in my hair and everything. Oh, yes. when you at the Yeah, and you've had, like, quite short when, like, your your curls can be very tight, too. like yeah i could see them totally seeing it. It was like...
02:07:08
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That's a rose. That's a flower. Trying to pollinate head. Yeah. Yeah. It's a moving target. Yeah. It's running away. don't know. But mine is a lot straighter, too.
02:07:21
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Yeah. Maybe it's like when they're like, oh, mosquitoes are attracted to colors and blacks and perfume and deodorant and sweat. And you're like, well, I can't win then. you know like Yeah. Nothing will work. Yeah.
02:07:37
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well stupid oh yes so a little on that uh many cultures have traditionally enjoyed mead or honey wine at their marriages and wedding ceremonies and tastes so good um the welsh just alcohol there's alcohol at weddings great exactly I knew it was like associated with a Norse, um, like honeymoon situation, but apparently it's you know, the Welsh Germans and little Scandinavians have sort of had this at their ceremonies in the past.
02:08:17
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So like Northern, maybe cause like when you think about it, like grapes only grow well in certain more Southern, Like regions, right? Yeah.
02:08:28
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So you can't always be growing grapes. Sometimes you gotta be growing that. You gotta gotta have that honey wine or else you don't got no wine at all. Gotta to get a hearty, not pampered little grape wine. you go to Get a stone fruit.
02:08:45
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Ooh, you know we love a stone fruit in
02:08:53
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Oh, that's funny. Oh, yes. And so it's been associated with obviously toasting, dancing, you know, the the toasting the couple. Excuse me.
02:09:05
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But also on to the honeymoon part with the baby making. And so a lot of the lore goes that... You're going to give all the uses of honey. No, but i love it. It's lube. It's a condom. it's It's like the etymology of why we call it a honeymoon. Because they're like, give that couple enough mead so they can go fuck for month.
02:09:30
Speaker
And by the time they come back, i think they should met before they should be with a child. Wait, what?
02:09:39
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No, because if it was like arranged marriage, she'll never make a book or anything like that. It's awkward. Make them both drunk. They're going to need some wine or some honey wine or something to, yeah, make it a little bit more palatable to us. You see this shenaniganizer over here. They're going to lower their inhibitions a bit because, yeah, they don't know the shit out each other.
02:10:03
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i mean there's a very arranged marriage. Yeah, not not a love match that comes up a lot in like romances and stuff too. But sometimes just because they're not a love match, they grow, you know, yeah to love and lust for one another. What is he doing now? Did he go away?
02:10:27
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Oh, he ran away now. Okay. um Oh, yes. I'm literally on my last page because the the other one was just sources.
02:10:39
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oh
02:10:42
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So for one month or moon cycle, you send the couple off to make love and drink mead and that's their honeymoon. And since it's a quite known apparent aphrodisiac and fertility and virility booster that you know that everyone's going to get knocked out. It's like Viagra in a bottle apparently. no I think it just it just basically means if you get put people on vacation for a month, they're going to... You're going to lubricate the wheels a little bit, too. Yeah, I think that's just going to happen.
02:11:23
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Kind of a... Is it the monkeys at the zoo? No, sometimes they're too watched. oh And they were like, oh yeah, sometimes the groom is so full of bursting of me, they gotta carry him up to bed. But like, as long as the baby comes nine months later, the meads worked its magic.
02:11:42
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i was like, that's so Game of Thrones. It's like, oh, they have to get everybody upstairs naked and know that, make sure that they bedded each other. You're like, oh, gross. Yeah. um Yeah, and they also do seem to serve some sort of royal representation at times, where Egypt in the past...
Bees in Royalty and Religion
02:12:05
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Oh, I had one, and two, maybe three pictures. I don't even know if I put them on the drive after I made sure the drive was working.
02:12:15
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But you can find some from Egypt, because the the bees became the symbol of the pharaoh, I guess? um okay you know they love their animal symbolism cats and stuff yeah um also napoleon took the bee symbol because he liked that it was also the symbol of the merovingian kings of france and probably said that wrong have no idea. Right. um
02:12:51
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Pronouncing things on podcast. Notoriously impossible. exactly The Hindu used the blue bee symbol for Vishnu and the goddess Barami. Devik used the bumblebee. And they also said early Christian symbols of purity and resurrection were bees. And they also used beeswax in the holy church candles.
02:13:15
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But that is probably enough bee facts for today. Yeah.
02:13:26
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It's such a treasure trove. but I'm so sorry, you guys. Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah. It's surprising I didn't even read my bee blessing from the copy of the Lander book, but that's okay. There's different cultures. They have bee blessings. You can all look it up. You can all go down the rabbit hole, the bee hole, the beehive.
02:13:48
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What do you want?
02:13:53
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Anyway, I've taken enough a of everyone's time. I feel like now I've been thinking about it, but I feel like now I i do have to go and I have to get a bee tattoo of some kind. good Oh, so I'm like, I think this is a sign.
02:14:09
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that would be so cute. I don't know what I want. and don't know if I want, like, a cartoony, cute little, like, fat bee or something. Or just, like... Yeah. Now we really gotta get the pictures up on the drive and on the Instagram and all the...
02:14:24
Speaker
Here's the bee hieroglyph to the bee, you know. Yeah. All the different bee interpretations. Oh, I could see that being so cute, though. and And they're not even one of my favorite animals. Like I said, like sometimes I'd be kind of scared of them, you know? But they're very, very cool.
02:14:43
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Yeah. i love I've loved bees the longest on any animal. so I really didn't even think we ever really talked about that. Is that crazy? don't know. I'm just not paying attention. Yeah, they're cool though. I don't know. I have like, I have a bee pin on my lanyard at work. I have a bee pin on my one jacket. I have earrings and necklaces. Oh, I don't remember your earrings.
02:15:15
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That sounds cute. Oh, those are fairly new. Oh, are they? oh They're in cute little like studs. Yeah. I yeah sent a package to the daughter there and when I saw a beanie poo that was like a pig I was like oh I love pigs I'm gonna send that one to her I don't think she has that one.
02:15:36
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Nice. Yeah. Aw so cute. All right well sorry I didn't I didn't I think I might have tangented longer than I Yeah.
02:15:50
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We will catch up with you guys next time. True. What are we even doing? That's our next regular episode. was going say, let this long episode tide you over until, uh... Did we...
02:16:04
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Oh, sorry. I'm just making a noise. Noises. 420 crimes? Oh, yeah.
02:16:14
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I kind wanted to do cons, but then, like, you were like, yeah, what is... It's April, and and then I was like, yeah, we decided to settle on, like, it'll be coming out near Fortalea, so.
02:16:25
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Yeah. It'll be, like, April 17th or something. Fortalea? Yeah. oh it should be murderless and little bit on the lighter side. Yeah.
02:16:40
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Well... it's We'll try and find something. Should be entertaining nonetheless. We'll channel a... Yeah.
02:16:52
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We'll channel something. I'm trying to pick the ones where someone gets convicted unfairly for something super small. Ruins their lives. We will um channel Snoop Dogg and who else? Seth Rogen. Seth Rogen smokes a lot too. 19 crimes. Yeah. Pineapple express. Yeah. yeah Yeah.
02:17:17
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Oh my God. All right. We'll catch up with the guys next week. Not next week. Next time. Bye. Thank you for listening.
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02:19:06
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Oh, he's jumping up. He's being a shit. Yeah, there he is. Gordo! Meow!
02:19:15
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Meow! He's like, I will not perform on cue! Meow!
02:19:25
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Meow! Oh my god. did I even say that I was drinking mead now in honor of it? Yes, I did. But... Yeah.