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Murdaugh Bonus: Epstein and South Carolina 1
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Joy did some research into a few specific documents from the Epstein files. Did Epstein recognize the value of South Carolina as a key part of trafficking routes?
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Sources:
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2012/EFTA02858481.pdf
https://assets.newsweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/EFTA02858491.pdf
https://assets.newsweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/EFTA02858495.pdf
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/16066603/doe-1-v-jeffrey-epstein/
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Transcript
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to Fixate Today Gone Tomorrow. I'm Nikki and I'm here with my Aunt Joy. We are two neurodivergent ladies who obsess about various topics. Joy is autistic and I have ADHD and we are letting our hyper fixations fly.
00:00:16
Speaker
Today we are fixating on possible Murda, Epstein, and maybe a little bit of Trump connections. So
00:00:35
Speaker
All right, Nikki, you ready for this one? I'm as ready as I can be for this one. All right. So this is all me here. Like, this is my obsession. Yeah. And I've gotten very into Epstein files. And we've talked back and forth about whether that could be one of our next topics that we work on. Yeah. And you've been hesitant.
00:00:57
Speaker
Yeah. So for me, um my struggle is I really want to deep dive the Epstein files. Anytime I look at something, I start to cry.
00:01:11
Speaker
It is it's almost too much for me right now. There's so many things like in the world, in the country happening. And I don't know if it's part of my neurodivergent brain to just feel the weight of all of that right now. But I've cried like every day for the last month. Like anytime I like see something related to any sort of news, I immediately like just kind of crumble.
00:01:37
Speaker
Yeah. And it's hard on a lot of levels. Yeah. I mean, I understand that. Yeah. And so my hesitancy is like, I just don't think for my mental health, I can handle it doing like a full deep dive. We've talked about ways we can look into different things. And we're going to see what we can kind of maybe make work over on our YouTube channel. That's a little bit more surface and kind of the bigger picture stuff, I feel like. Yeah, I think we've decided like diving into, into I mean, well, first of all, there's plenty of people out there diving into yeah specific files and emails. um And also, you know, we talk a lot about the salacious stuff and I think that becomes a little too much for us. So If we did approach it, we would approach it a little bit differently. Yeah.
00:02:20
Speaker
However, this one group of files came out, which I think are key to a lot of the understanding. and And when I saw that there could be some links, we have done so much deep diving on Murdaugh case and Michael Miller case, and they were based in low country of South Carolina. And then when these other latest files dropped and they were regarding Jeffrey Epstein in Hilton Head, like I i i just couldn't, I couldn't not look into it more. Yeah. And I think this, specifically this, the file of 16 page file you sent to me, it's the first time we've heard about South Carolina, certainly in this whole Epstein case.
00:03:09
Speaker
And what we've just learned with those two cases specifically about South Carolina, it's just wild how it's all connected. But then you're like, if you think through it, you're like, yeah, it is all connected, isn't it?
00:03:25
Speaker
Yeah. So this is a little bit more me. So I'm to talk a lot in this one. Nikki's going to try to keep me on track because sometimes my little crazy brain starts thinking everybody understands what I'm talking about and who I'm talking about. So she's going to try to reel me in to make sure I'm going dive
00:03:42
Speaker
i guess on that i'm gonna dive in so for those of you who are regular listeners we you know we've covered both the murdo murders and the micah miller case extensively and both took place like in land, Myrtle Beach, Murda in the Beaufort area. They consider it the low country because they're both right on the coast in, I believe, Southern South Carolina. And in both cases, we kind of started off as like looking into, you know, true crime stories, but then we dug and dug. And what I ended up really obsessing about was that like behind these
00:04:27
Speaker
crimes where this, discovered like these dark aspects of like transnational organized crime. And the fact that that type of crime has been seeping into our communities. Yeah. Like in particularly in this case, South Carolina, because that's what we're focused on.
00:04:43
Speaker
And then, and we're talking about human traffic, drug smuggling, arms traffic, money laundering, and all these things. And what I think has happened is over the years, you know, we have these corrupt groups, smaller, small town corrupt groups, right? But then they've gotten encompassed in these bigger picture trafficking organizations that are, you know, yeah, these smaller communities that had been doing this nefarious activity, who then get caught up in bigger picture criminals, who without even maybe the full knowledge of what's going on or what they're getting involved in. Yeah.
00:05:17
Speaker
And I know for both Murda and J.P. Miller, we've talked extensively about both being involved in something we think is bigger than they even were aware of when they got involved. And I think the fact that I've never seen anything that crosses over JP Miller and Alex Murdoch, but we think similar things are happening and it's just so weird. Yes. Yeah. And we'll kind of get into a couple of those, those patterns that we've seen that.
00:05:49
Speaker
Yeah. So like how this stuff was clicking on our brains. So we're going to lay a lot of background and let me first, let me give a real recap of what files I'm talking about. Then we're going to lay a lot of background of why I think we should look into these more. and then we'll actually go through the files, okay?
00:06:07
Speaker
So just quick overview, the files I'm talking about were recently discovered FBI Form 302s. They were reports with about 25 pages of agents' notes from four interviews conducted in the summer and fall of 2019. The notes describe how a woman came forward to tell agents she recognized Epstein from a photo sent to her by a childhood friend. In the documents, the woman told agents that she had been sexually abused by Epstein from the age of 13, beginning in approximately 1983, continuing through while she was living in Hilton Head, South Carolina.
00:06:54
Speaker
She said she was between the ages of 13 and 15, and that Epstein took her to a building in either New York or New Jersey at some point. They traveled either by plane or car, and at which point the woman claims she was sexually abused by Donald Trump. And to be clear, the interview material was explicit, but is unsubstantiated to the best of our knowledge at this time. So I think in terms of those, any of those allegations that are made in these files, we're doing a blanket allegedly work on. Very much. Cover ourselves in that blanket of allegedly.
00:07:29
Speaker
Yes, very much. And yeah, there's been a lot of irregularities about the transparency around the release of these documents, which we will eventually discuss.
00:07:40
Speaker
And we'll also, yeah, dive into the files more. But for it right now, let's get the background and hopefully begin to understand the code. All right. All right. Okay. So while researching Micah Miller and Alex Murdaugh, there was multiple patterns that I started, like got my attention.
00:07:57
Speaker
Hopefully you guys listened to our podcast on both because they went on for a long time and um and all my patterns were starting to emerge then. But in both of them, i went down this path and both just definitely feel like there was connections to organized crime. And I saw this weird pattern of involvement and it kept coming up with South Carolina, Florida, New York, New Jersey, and Ohio.
00:08:23
Speaker
Florida and New York fully makes sense, right? Like up and down the Eastern seaboard. New Jersey. Okay. I mean, it kind of did because I'm like, well, New Jersey, New York, aren't they? Yeah. Yeah. Like to New York. South Carolina, like really didn't make sense to me. Um, when we first started, this didn't seem like, you know, it it made sense, but as we went on and we'll talk about why it it did fall into place, Ohio. I'm going to tell you the Ohio part. So didn't make sense that I kind of just dropped it. Like I didn't even know what to say about it, but I did see it over and over again. And to be honest, i thought well the only thing that sticks out for me with Ohio is that's where Les Wexner's from. Mm-hmm.
00:09:00
Speaker
Yeah. Besides that, that was the only Ohio of it. And I don't know how much we're going to get into the Michigan of it all yet, but Michigan's very close to Ohio, isn't it I know. The hat on top of Ohio. i know.
00:09:13
Speaker
Okay, well, we will. There are some things there. But at the time we were first going through these things, we still didn't know. Like, again, when we were doing it, we didn't know anything about Epstein. Yeah. Les Wexner, none of that. And I was still seeing Ohio. Yeah. Come in from different like trafficking routes and So anyways, at that point, yes.
00:09:33
Speaker
And that's why when I heard about these Epstein files and they reported, first of all, that there was a businessman who was involved from Cincinnati. We later come to his name was Jim Adkins. It's public. So I'm going to put it out. I'm going to say it it's in these files. So should we should we say when you're investigating him what happened? Just so the word like i everybody who listens to us knows. Yeah. Yes. When I first started looking into him and researching who Jim Adkins was or who I thought he could be, there is somebody who like met a lot of the same description. And honestly, i i almost was going to talk about him as if that was definitely who it was. And it turns out it was not.
00:10:19
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him. And I'm very glad I never said anything because there is, because there was a gentleman of that name. He does have a son with the same name still in the air. So yeah, we just have to be really careful. um And you know what? I can't claim to know exactly since then there's been like subsequent reporting from other outlets and stuff that have narrowed it down to a different gentleman of the name, but it's a common name and we just have to be careful with it.
00:10:46
Speaker
And yeah, lesson learned. I'm glad I didn't go any farther with that. Yeah. so yeah Okay. So yeah. So in the Epstein files is Jim Adkins is connected to it. Cincinnati university, Cincinnati, Ohio seemed to have, you know, some ties to Hilton head and then, but was from Ohio and as well, then, you know,
00:11:05
Speaker
After we've learned that, as you said, Epstein had major ties to Les Wexner, who was the billionaire founder of the limited Victoria's Secret, Abercrombie Fitch, and much more. And then he lived in Ohio. So that stuck with me. And that relationship was reported to start in about 1986. We're to keep hearing this 1983 to 1986 thing. So let's keep that top of mind. There was also this idea and um that kept coming up. And it's this whole thing with... South Carolina's coastal regions yeah and having direct access to the Atlantic Ocean, but then having these small waterways. We've talked about Black Rivers, marshes, tidelands that can be navigated specifically by locals who know them well. They're difficult to navigate, but very hidden areas. in extremely rural, thick vegetation. So basically it's ah it's a way of bringing it. If something comes in from the Atlantic, then you can work up these waterways secretly, again, with the help usually of locals.
00:12:14
Speaker
And from there, you can access the main highways. There's US 21, as mentioned a lot. And then of course, Interstate 95. Can I plug our YouTube and tell people to go check out, I believe it is the video um in the Micah Miller playlist ah that is trafficking routes and then Lumber River. Those videos specifically will cover all of this in terms of South Carolina.
00:12:41
Speaker
Yeah. And that, I mean, yeah, plugging our our YouTube channel. That's the thing is what we did is we started kind of focusing zero in on some of these things. And I know people probably watching our videos are like, what? Like trafficking rules. It was all this building up. It was these things that were starting to make sense, but we couldn't quite put together. And we have a lot of those. We have, we're going to go on and we have a search and seizure. We have, we have one, don't we have one on like black rivers, like,
00:13:10
Speaker
yeah that's I think that's in the Limber River okay one because I got obsessed with Black Rivers because they're really cool. yes I mean, there are some that, yeah, it is. It's it's it's our brain starting to put this stuff together. so And then the final thing that I kept seeing was um talk of these barrier islands, which are...
00:13:30
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Yeah.
00:13:47
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for smuggled goods coming in from the atlantic They're prominently off the shores and especially in like Beaufort and Hilton Head. Yeah. Also up in kind of in like the Myrtle Beach area. So it's like they it kind of makes for this perfect perfect setup. And we kept seeing these barrier islands. Yeah. And we kept seeing landing strips in weird places ye related to the maybe not entirely barrier islands, but surrounding these waterways. Yeah. Yeah, like the barrier islands. yeah then we Yeah. Then we would have these inlets and then these random landing strips.
00:14:26
Speaker
Right. Yeah. And as much as I'd love to jump ahead of myself, because as we were talking yesterday and we started talking about mission, can we see some of the same things? We'll reign it in for a minute. Hold on to that little bit. Yes, yes, yes. All right. So that's kind of the patterns we saw.
00:14:40
Speaker
So now we're going to jump to something different. Now we got to get over there to Jeffrey Epstein. Okay. talk about that a bit. I feel like everyone knows what I'm talking about, who we're talking about, but just in case you've been in a cave for the last year, Jeffrey Epstein was a wealthy financier.
00:14:56
Speaker
i want to be a financier. i don't know what that is, but i don't think I want to. Do not. It seems kind of cool. Or. and Okay. No. I feel like it's one of those titles that's like a non-actual business like job description. i like ah we don' We don't ask questions what he does. Some dude who deals with money and we don't know how. Which is what he is, I suppose.
00:15:21
Speaker
Okay. So we have Jeffrey ens Epstein, who is our wealthy financier, convicted of soliciting prostitution from minors um in 2008. eight which was followed by a very controversial lenient plea deal. He was arrested again in 2019 for federal sex trafficking. He ended up dying under suspicious circumstances, to say the least, by suicide while awaiting trial in prison.
00:15:52
Speaker
The case exposed a widespread The red sex trafficking network that involved numerous high profile associates with transnational ties that have been linked to rumors of widespread blackmail and espionage at the highest levels.
00:16:11
Speaker
Good summary. A little recap on on this guy. um And then we just keep figuring out so much more. All right, so we got Jeffrey Epstein now. And let's talk a little bit. Hopefully you're just coming off of listening to our whole series on the Murda Murders. But in case you're jumping in here, Alex Murda was a South Carolina attorney from a prominent legal family.
00:16:34
Speaker
He was convicted in March of 2023 for murdering his wife Maggie and his son Paul. In 2021. Additionally, he had committed some financial fraud totaling over $8 million dollars and has received a 40 year federal sentence that was imposed for these financial crimes.
00:16:56
Speaker
So that's Murda. But but what's even more important is that Murda's family was a prestigious South Carolina legal dynasty that held continuous control over 14th Circuit Solicitor's Office from 1920 to 2006. And they were acting as like the chief prosecutors for five counties, which is like an extraordinarily large area. And that area includes Hilton Head in Beaufort County. They were also running a dominant personal injury law firm.
00:17:32
Speaker
So just to clarify that, that's like the solicitor's office is like the district attorney. It's the South Carolina word forum, I guess, or term forum. So which are the head of basically law enforcement for these guys. And they this family was continuously in charge of that for almost a century. So, yes. And again, Hilton Head is included in this in Beaufort County.
00:17:55
Speaker
The dynasty started like so this started with Randolph Murdoch. We'll just call him like Alex's great grandfather. And he like started this family law practice in Hampton, South Carolina in 1910. And then he became the solicitor in 1920.
00:18:11
Speaker
twenty And he held that through 1940. A lot of rumors during that time about bootlegging and such. From that point, then the position went directly to his son, Randolph, who goes by Buster Murdoch. He was in office from 1940 1986. So that would be alex's grandfather.
00:18:33
Speaker
Keep in mind mind that number or that year, 1986. In 1986, then Alex's father, Randolph III, took over, and he ran the office until 2005. This low country of South Carolina, which it's low country because it literally is sea level. And like even like when we talk about tidelands, it's so low that when the tides from the Atlantic Ocean like float in and out,
00:18:59
Speaker
parts of the land become submerged in water. And then when the tides are out, you actually have land ah traverse. So that' that's kind of part of what makes this land so special and why it's so difficult to navigate.
00:19:13
Speaker
Anyways, that they actually so at some point called the this low country that ah Murdoch country. And that was due to the family's deep rooted influence um often described as legal small town mafia. Yeah. When it allowed them to like operate this immense unchallenged local power for over 45 years.
00:19:35
Speaker
So, I mean, which you think of as a small town thing. But what we're going to go on to to talk about is this included Hilton Head. So there's some major stuff going on in Hilton Head, and that's when we start talking about Epstein. So even if these kind of small town solicitors or whatever weren't aware that they were getting involved in any kind of major transnational trafficking, they still were doing a lot of turning their head on a lot of stuff. overlooking for their own purposes. Yeah. That's what I was just going to say was, yeah, it's it's like the plausible deniability thing. ah
00:20:10
Speaker
They know things are happening, but we're not going to focus over there. Right. Didn't know the big picture. I mean, wouldn't have done the big picture, but there was things that they probably were overlooking or getting paid off for or whatever the case may be. We know that there were things of that sort. We just don't know for sure that that it's connected to this case. But I think we can assume that it's a possibility at least.
00:20:30
Speaker
Okay, so then we do have this this tiny little actual overlap. And that's in the 1980s within the Murdoch family. ah You know, this all happened within their dirt jurisdiction. And the activity we'll talk about, actually, where all these Epstein files occurred, like where this stuff was occurring, was like it was in their jurisdiction. And in 1986, we even see Randolph Buster actually signed some papers for the indictment of um of one of the players in here.
00:21:03
Speaker
So, I mean, it's ah just like it's like a small little thing, but it it it goes to show that, again, a reminder that that they were in charge of what was going on legally in this area during that time. Now, Alex himself was in high school, you know, in 1986 when this was signed. Alex was in high school, so we're not saying that he would have directly had anything to do with it himself. However, Alex did go on to become business associates with a gentleman named Barrett Boulware. It's actually the person he bought Moselle his home home from, the home where ah ah hunting lodge, yeah where Maggie and Paul ultimately were killed. He bought it from Barrett
00:21:42
Speaker
barr it And he later co-owned a lot of land. um and And he owned this land with him up until years ago. I mean, up until the the indictment and everything happened.
00:21:54
Speaker
And a lot of this land that he owned were these barrier islands off the coast of South Carolina, like those ones we just discussed. Let's keep in mind, those islands, they they really serve no purpose. Like there's not much you can do with them. Right.
00:22:10
Speaker
it It doesn't sound like there's a lot of like real estate potential or, you you know, farmable farmable land even. Nothing like that.
00:22:21
Speaker
No. So a strange thing for them to co-own several of. I think they owned about five of them. I wish we were, if we were on YouTube, I could show like that because I did look them up and it shows exactly where these particular, ah you know, islands are. And and these they're all right off of that Beaufort County.
00:22:37
Speaker
It's all up and down um that county. And Beaufort, the town where a lot of what the Murdoch's were associated with, is about 50 miles um down the coast from Hilton Head. So we're talking about pretty close. Okay.
00:22:52
Speaker
All right. So Boulware then has, there's a, there's an interesting connection here in, This is a little tough to follow. So let's get into kind of what was happening then in the islands, Hilton Head especially, at this time. So investigators have long suspected that Murdaugh and Bulwer's island properties, including a remote spot known as Murdaugh Island, which has been in the Murdaugh family for multiple generations. One of the things that stands out to me about what's weird about that is we know for all of the generations of the Murdaugh men, they wanted their wealth to
00:23:28
Speaker
to be known so a remote island like that just feels backwards to what they were presenting to the world well but one of their islands they did and one was not as remote one was closer in and they actually built on it and okay this is tangent a little bit but They actually had a property on it, and there was a bridge built from that island to the mainland. And I did not further research it, but it is said that that bridge was built by the like local police.
00:24:04
Speaker
Oh, but that's so weird. I wish I looked into that a little bit more. So that would have connected basically – so it was close enough to actually connect to the mainland, which – If you had an island with a port like that you could drop things off in a boat and it just had your residence on it, i don't know. so yeah um And they've had that one for a long time.
00:24:27
Speaker
And that could have possibly gone back to the bootlegging days too. that mean, that that's been generations. Yeah. Anyways, these islands where have always been rumored to be used for drug trafficking drops from like shrimp boats, which only require about four to eight feet of water depth to unload cargo.
00:24:47
Speaker
And then, yeah, from there, drugs could be quickly moved to the mainland using tow trucks, a method that a former alleged Murdaugh supplier has admitted to in the past.
00:24:59
Speaker
So we know this actually did happen at some point. Okay. Okay. Side note, everyone listening should be so proud of me for the amount of Forrest Gump jokes I didn't make when talking about a shrimp boat.
00:25:12
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. I i am proud of you. It was really hard, so I just needed to say that I didn't do it. Good girl. Good girl. Thank you. But it is a point. They did use, like, a lot of these fishermen and shrimp boats and that were used as guises for doing things. And I can guarantee Forrest Gump's was not. Not. she No.
00:25:36
Speaker
So like drug, basically drug laden vehicles could be towed directly from the secluded docks to highways like US-21 and I-95, which is the spine of the East Coast drug trade. making South Carolina a perfect hub for traffickers. So we talk about Barrett Boulware and the connection with him and Murdoch. And then this gives us this perfect segue to a discussion of something that happened in so South Carolina in the early 80s. This is a key thing that I've always zeroed in on, but I didn't know exactly why I thought it was so important.
00:26:15
Speaker
But... Bull Weir was charged in 1983 for his role in something called Operation Jackpot. Okay. Operation Jackpot was a big deal at the time. It was a major federal crackdown targeting a group, and they actually called these groups the Gentleman Smugglers in South Carolina. They were a ring of smugglers, but they were like these well-educated, kind of upper-class, nonviolent smugglers.
00:26:46
Speaker
But they moved nearly a billion dollars worth of marijuana and hashish along the East Coast. during the late 70s and early 80s. Okay. There's a great book. interest it It really is an interesting story. But um yeah, something big that we, you know, has happened that we've kind of forgotten about. um Associates regularly, they sail drug-laden boats from Jamaica, Colombia, and Lebanon through the marshes of the eastern seaboard.
00:27:17
Speaker
Because compared to like Miami and Florida, where a lot of these type of operations had happened, There was a lot, the the Coast Guard was much more lax along South Carolina coast.
00:27:30
Speaker
Plus these particular groups, they had like, it was their hometown. So they were like familiar and with the plethora of like inlets and South Carolina, which is where, so so so this gentleman smugglers group primarily used these destinations in South Carolina for offloading these drugs in the Hilton Head area.
00:27:52
Speaker
Operation Jackpot. So Barrett Bullard was part of this crackdown and was in prison. He eventually, the federal witness who was supposed to testify against Barrett, got killed before testifying in a... Freed car accident in Florida. So he was released basically and never faced trap. Okay.
00:28:17
Speaker
Operation Jackpot was also one of the first federal drug task forces to use this newly enacted federal civil forfeiture laws to combat drug smugg smugglers. So what that is, that allowed the government to seize like the homes and boats and businesses before the convictions were secured, like of those people doing the smuggling.
00:28:42
Speaker
And we did ah we did a whole thing about this. It's a big deal in South Carolina where like these they have some crazy like search and seizures laws where the authorities, yeah you know you could be pulled over with large amounts of, let's say, cash in your vehicle that is suspected to be related to drug deals. The authorities can actually seize that cash and it actually becomes property of that county's police department. Right. And there's a lot with that is a lot of room for people.
00:29:13
Speaker
ah Sticky fingers. Lots. And also, if what happens, especially like with, they wouldn't mean they would seize like land owned by or property. Well, then that property gets sold by the government like up at auction. And people often pay eight pennies on the dollar for those. And if you're connected to the government and you know that these places are going up for auction, again, you can see where there's a lot of room for fraud and abuse there too. Yeah, it it seems like such a dumb law to make the seized property becoming property of the law enforcement that it is intentional, if that makes sense. Like, it's almost so blatant.
00:29:57
Speaker
It's comical. Yes. I mean, it's it's it's it's like an easy setup for... yeah you almost feel like maybe people put it into law knowing that it would be something that could be... Right. It was like, how can we make corruption legal? yeah So and then it just started at this point and it it does continue to this day. And it's something we talked about a lot with the Micah Miller case.
00:30:18
Speaker
Yeah. Just an interesting note that the this whole ah Project Jackpock, the investigation. ga was led by their attorney general of South Carolina at the time, Henry McMaster. it kind of helped launch his career. And he is now their governor currently. And this was under President Reagan. This was famously called the first major breakthrough in the war on drugs. Okay. Okay. So we have that all going on. That's what was going on right in this area.
00:30:50
Speaker
Again, key dates for that, 1983 through 1986. This was happening. Okay. So then we get into Epstein, right? So what's Epstein doing during these years? um We're not going to go back through everything. He was a – I mean, I don't know if anyone knows he was a college dropout. He ended up teaching at a very prestigious private school in New York City in the 70s. Right around 1980, was And he got a job, like ah a limited partner at Bear Stearns Financial. He was there for a while. But also, like, let's let's reiterate that he was there with no training. yeah no Yeah, no college education, no training. Yeah. Now, to be fair, everyone, by all accounts, he was a very smart human being. Sure. But yes, very strange to be in both of these positions, both at the school and at yeah Bear Stearns with, yeah. No, no formal, no background in either. Correct. Area.
00:31:49
Speaker
Correct. But maybe good pay places to make contacts. So in 1981, he abruptly resigns from Bear Stearns based on investigations led by senior executives into questionable um personal loans and trading activity um led to a proposed like suspension and fine. But he just like refused to accept that and left.
00:32:17
Speaker
And then in 1981, after that, he founded his own financial consulting firm. He called it Intercontinental Assets Group. And he just ah operated this out of his Manhattan apartment. OK.
00:32:30
Speaker
So like, I mean, this has been a quick, you know, from what, being a teacher at a being an unqualified teacher at a private school to this stint at, you know, this investment company. And then, okay I'm going to operate out of my home.
00:32:46
Speaker
right So from 1981 to 86, his activities and movements are really largely unknown yeah and have really flown on under the radar. like we don't With all this information we know about him, this time period has always remained kind of open. And we never really had heard him being in.
00:33:07
Speaker
el them head which we'll get to. So in the late 80s, Epstein reportedly meets Donald Trump. And there's questions about exactly when they um first became connected. By some accounts, their initial contact was around 1987. about that time time is when Trump purchased Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach. And that was in 1985. By 1986, Epstein was spending significant time in Palm Beach. And at that point, around then, his when he publicly became known as being friendly with Trump. it Also in 1986, as we said before, Epstein meets that Leslie Wexner, the CEO of Elle Brands, which is Victoria's Secret. and And he met him in Palm Beach again.
00:33:58
Speaker
And by 1987, he became his financial advisor and right-hand man. And eventually he like gained power ah of attorney over Wexner's affairs, this like multi-billionaire. yeah We've made it we made a big big a lot of progress in these years, right?
00:34:15
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And then by 1988, Epstein founds his own exclusive money management firm, reportedly only accepting clients with a net worth of $1 billion or more. All right. Okay, so we, all right.
00:34:29
Speaker
um so So that's what we've going on with Epstein at a time. And we're keeping in mind that like 81, 82 through almost 86, don't know what he's doing.
00:34:40
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But he does get some money at that point. And we've always wondered where that money has come from. Right. So. um And let's go like we can't forget about Donald Trump and all this. Our current president, convicted felon, real estate developer and reality TV host. In the 1980s, actually in 1980, he had opened the renovated Grand Hyatt Hotel on 42nd Street in New York. And that was his first major Manhattan deal.
00:35:07
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In 1981, he created the Trump Organization and he renovated the building that was going that ended up becoming the Trump Plaza Apartment Cooperative in 1983.
00:35:21
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He opened Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue, and that's where his, like, penthouse and residence is. He also did, i don't know if this is important, 1983, tried to buy the Cleveland Indians, but was rejected. Throwing that in there, like, minor Ohio contact, maybe? Probably nothing, but it was still, like, just not throw it in.
00:35:41
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yeah another Another Ohio thing. Yeah. In 1984, he opened Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. So here we have New Jersey coming in.
00:35:51
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And on in 1985, he made like his debut on 60 Minutes. And he purchase purchased Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach. 1986 through 88, he was managing the Plaza Hotel. And he bought like this New Jersey Generals, which was like this USA.
00:36:11
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FL, like a football league that was supposed to try to be a competitor of an NFL. And well, that that failed miserably. 88, he purchased the Taj Mahal Casino, which we know ended up going bankrupt. And actually in 88, 87, 88, there was rumors about him running for president for the first time.
00:36:32
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Okay. That early? Like for the first time, like it was kind of you know, and then sure. That was the first time. And ah so, and and he never did, but he had, he made a little bit of progress with, you know, getting his name out there and stuff that I think that's part, part of why he was like on 60 minutes and he had taken out like a full page ad in the New York times and he was bringing attention to himself. Hard to believe. Yeah. Yeah. What shocking.
00:36:57
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So I think there, think we've kind of summed up then players that we kind of thinking might connect here. So on that note, I, of course that took longer than I expected. So we haven't even jumped into the files yet, but let's wrap up this episode right here. Keeping in mind all those factors, backgrounds, timeframes, and then next episode, let's get into the actual files and see if they make sense when we put all these different, um,
00:37:26
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this background together see if we can find some ties okay questions i did successfully follow things and i don't have questions at this point um my mind is going crazy with and jp and specifically wayne miller's stuff that i'm trying to keep out of it because It's just stuff that's like, oh, that happened. This happened in that part of the state also at the around the same time. So I'm trying to keep my mouth shut about that because that would all be conjecture. There would be nothing substantial or substantialy atonement.
00:38:03
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able to be substantiated and whatever I'm thinking. so But you make a good point. And then, yes, I have had to keep that a little bit out because I can't quite tie that exactly in. But there was a lot of stuff going on up there, too. A lot of activity, questionable activity. So, you know, I think if we look back and, and you know, there are some ties, maybe not direct, but I do think it shows a pattern act of activity that was going on in this part of the country that was corrupt.
00:38:31
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Yeah. How it connected exactly, I don't know. And perhaps different people just trying to get in on that at some level. Yeah. I mean, and it could be so much as like, you know, whatever, these drugs coming in that were smuggled in during Project Jackpot. I mean, what just like further smuggling routes. Right. Up through that part of the country, up I-94, you know, that kind of thing too. All right. Well, we're going to wrap it up there and definitely tune in next week. And we're going to go more specifically through the actual files that have been released. and All right. Amazing. Great job. you. All right. See you guys all next week. Thank you for listening. right.
00:39:11
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Bye, everyone.