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Murdaugh Bonus: Epstein and South Carolina 2
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We continue walking through Joy's research into possible links between the crimes of Alex Murdaugh and Jeffrey Epstein.
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Sources:
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2012/EFTA02858481.pdf
https://assets.newsweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/EFTA02858491.pdf
https://assets.newsweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/EFTA02858495.pdf
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/16066603/doe-1-v-jeffrey-epstein/
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Transcript
Introduction and Series Overview
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to Fixate Today Gone Tomorrow. I'm Nikki and I'm here with my Aunt Joy. We are two neurodivergent ladies who obsess about various topics. Joy is autistic and I have ADHD and we are letting our hyper fixations fly.
00:00:16
Speaker
Today we are fixating on possible Murdaugh-Epstein and a scooch of Trump connections. Music
00:00:35
Speaker
Hello. I'm excited to be back. Yeah. So we had big plans for one bonus episode related to Murda, Epstein, possible things. But of course, we can never just do one episode.
00:00:50
Speaker
No, I know. I don't even know why we possibly even...
Background on Murdaugh, Epstein, and Trump Connections
00:00:55
Speaker
our Our goal was to look at these new Epstein files and our first our episode didn't even get to the point of looking at the files yet. So just it was it's all been laying yeah background. number So having said that, if you haven't listened to last week's episode, go back and listen to that first. That is laying the groundwork for what Joy is going to talk about specifically with the files we're going to look at.
00:01:19
Speaker
But even if we gave like ah overview of what we talked about, where it's going to be too much, just listen to the last week's episode and then yeah come join us when you're done. Yeah. If anything, the the easiest overview I can say is what we talked about was what was going on in like Hilton House, South Carolina area with the Murdaugh's at that time, what Jeffrey Epstein was up to at this time, what Donald Trump was up to, and then a major...
00:01:48
Speaker
FBI operation that happened and it was all between 1983 and that, let's into actual file. Yes.
Investigative Journalism's Role in Uncovering the Story
00:01:54
Speaker
with that let's get into the actual file yes I've got to say the Post and Courier from South Carolina, they like are amazing. And they've had so many big stories in the last couple of years. A ton of my J.P. Miller research is Post and Courier. Yeah. I got a subscription. Oh, wow. Like it's been because so often we're, i mean, the online subscription, but there's just so much that we tap into. And in this case, I am, I think that honestly, these files are going to prove to be integral to
Victim's Allegations Against Epstein and Trump
00:02:30
Speaker
everything. i think we're going to hear so much more about this. And I think if President Trump is tied back in, I think this is the tie right here to what President Trump may be trying to hide. So if what I think is true, Post and Courier was like so ahead of this and did such a great job. So kudos to them. Hey, you cited your source. Ah!
00:02:51
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That's what I was doing. I've trained you so well. know. I'm really bad at citing my sources. ah ah Yes, but this is Post-Kurio. I don't have to cite the others because they are FBI files. so Right. I'm going to go back and forth. I don't have like this all laid out exactly. And I'm going to go back and forth between the article, which really summarizes everything very well, and the actual files themselves, which in some instances, which help a lot, but in some instances they do get a little graphic and I don't really want to get into any of the graphic stuff.
00:03:23
Speaker
So we want to be like, we want to be super duper as top tier respectful of any witnesses who have come forward. And so I think part of that is we're not exploring or talking about any of the sexual abuse allegations in this. We're talking about kind of the big picture crime ring stuff. And so I think it's wise to not bring the kind of lured details from the victims into what we're talking about. That said, I'm going to try really hard to do that. There are a few points, though, where just to understand the intensity of what this young woman went through. So also just be really careful for anyone who is sensitive or has young people around. This is not real appropriate, even if i yeah even if we try to. And let's let's now also, instead of citing a bunch of sources, let's throw another blanket, allegedly, over this whole episode.
00:04:15
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Yes. So what I am going to say is the Post and Courier did a really good job of corroborating a lot of this evidence. The article, a lot of it is them doing that. I'm not going to go and repeat everything they did, but go read the article. Yeah, maybe we'll, um in the show notes, I'll link to it. Okay.
00:04:32
Speaker
Yeah, that sounds great. Okay, so... Where to start? I'm just going to read the very beginning of the article and then we'll kind of go from there. So a woman who claims she was abused as a minor by both Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump was given the FBI vivid accounts that include aspects of her life corroborated by the Post and Courier through public records. So the accounts describe an early phase in the mid 1980s of potential criminal contact by Epstein that involved sexual activities with minors
00:05:05
Speaker
on Hilton Head. We do go on to realize, it's a little more specific, what we do go on with new reporting substantiates the fact that she, the the victim was born in 1970, and she states she was 13 to 16 during the time that these events were happening, which would put the years around 1983 and Obviously, she cannot remember specifically what years
Epstein's Early Criminal Activities and Blackmail
00:05:33
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would happen. She just gives an account, an overview of the facts as she remembers them in the different accounts. So the alleged victim told the FBI that she was under constant pressure from Epstein to recruit more girls there to, quote unquote, come party with him and his disgusting older friends.
00:05:52
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The incidents almost always involved drugs, alcohol, and and turned violent with hair pulling beatings, according to these women. It goes on to say that Epstein went on to command a global sex trafficking ring that roped in hundreds of women, including many teenagers. He faced federal charges, if we've as we talked about, of sexually trafficking minors um and died in prison in 2019.
00:06:18
Speaker
So then our account kind of goes into Trump just a little bit and claims that he forced her to commit sex acts on him during 1974, but was foggy on details to the FBI agents. We'll go a little bit more ah um into that. A friend of hers also reported the allegations about Trump to the FBI in 2019 that was separate. It was not connected to begin with. The Bureau cited her allegations in an email that actually circulated through the agency recently. And that was made public by the Justice Department.
00:06:52
Speaker
um And she asked that her friend be protected. Lots of concerns here about Trump. protection and fear of retaliation, which I i can understand. um It does go on to say that Post and Courier supported a lot of these public records, like this informational public records. Again, we're not going to go into each and every one of them. However, none, nothing was, no public records could directly support the allegations that the victim claims about Trump.
00:07:20
Speaker
So let's definitely keep that in mind, okay? Presumably further investigation would be required to corroborate that. That's what we don't know if that has happened or not. Right, right.
00:07:33
Speaker
Let's kind of get into it. So the alleged victim claimed that Epstein had business contacts on Hilton Head and he lived temporarily on the island in two residences. One associate, she said, was a businessman in Ohio who took over a small real estate company on Hilton Head and he hired her mother as a broker in the 1980s. That's why she was there.
00:07:56
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The associate commuted from the islands to the Cincinnati area and dated her mother as well. We'll get like, give me a second and we'll talk a little bit more about that particular gentleman. But records do show that her mom did buy a property on Hilton Head in 1981 for $55,000. And the address was right on Colgany beach. i don't know if I'm saying that right. which is a very popular oceanfront for visitors and beaches. like people It's very popular. People, tourists, would hang out.
00:08:28
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So in a local classified ad, the company that employed her mother marketed long-term rentals of homes and villas. So that's what she was there doing. The mom actually rented one of the homes to Jeffrey Epstein, and there's records that show that.
00:08:45
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um And the victim told federal agents that her mother advertised in a flyer that she, the young lady, was who was then 13, could provide babysitting services.
00:08:57
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Epstein ah summoned her to his house where he began his pattern of abuse. So she showed up to babysit, realized there was no children.
00:09:08
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Yeah. But the abuse started right away. Yeah. And she was 13. I mean, so the Ohio associate that we kind of talked about a little bit earlier, we find out his name is Jim Atkins. And I'm going go ahead and say that because it is in the files. So it it's out there. He hired her mother. he also had sex with the teen several times, and he also physically abused her, she told the agents. She described Atkins as a white male with gray hair, big ears, and a hairy body, and knew that he was associated with a Cincinnati, Ohio-based college. um And it was later confirmed that he was, the Poston Courier confirmed that he was on the board of for-profit college.
00:09:53
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okay So Atkins either owned or rented a residence there on the island. And she did describe him as possibly in his 50s, in the early eighty s Atkins came off, this is according to the files, Atkins came off as a, quote, rich prick who would throw his weight around and talk about money. Atkins was a, quote, pervert and looked at her like she was a piece of meat. He developed a romantic relationship with her mother, whom he claimed to have loved. And the victim says, looking back on the relationship between her mother and Atkins, she believes they may have been secretly dating because the gentleman had a wife in Ohio. She described him as having a short temper, a drinker, and recalled seeing Epstein and Atkins together at least once at ekin at Epstein's house. So we don't, and we don't exactly know where the connection became between these two men came. And you know what? And and it still has never but specified how they were connected. So then this gets so sick, but at one point, the young girl discovered naked pictures of herself at Epstein's house. She had actually, they were hidden in a drawer and she kind of had snooped around and found them. Epstein had discovered her snooping and like
00:11:15
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was very violent with her as punishment. So then Epstein used the the nude photos to blackmail or extort her mother. And they were like fully naked pictures of her on Polaroids. And and and they were taken within like the first one or two interactions that she had with Epstein. I mean, we did um a whole video on image-based sexual assault. And that's,
00:11:43
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digital like that's right online so this is like it is something that's been going on for for years and years and years but it's also like a physical photographs as well yeah these were polaroids can you imagine i don't know they they were polaroids and the young the girl didn't really know they were taken but and right how she i was goingnna i was getting going to ask that Yeah, she didn't know that they were taken.
00:12:12
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Okay, so then this gets crazy. This is where, so then this Jim Adkins, so Epstein starts blackmailing the mother. In order to get the money that he's demanding, Adkins helps her like cook the books at the real estate place company to steal funds from them to pay the money that Epstein and and he um are blackmailing her for.
00:12:39
Speaker
So that happens, right? So that ultimately i it was like $22,000 that she embezzled to pay off this black male money. Which that seems like nothing for someone like Epstein also. What that kind of says to me is that's a power thing. Well, remember, this is also Epstein right at the beginning.
00:13:01
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That's true. Yeah. This is Epstein 1983. Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:05
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yeah yeah And, I mean, up until this point, we don't really know how he's... I mean, he was a teacher, right? Then he worked at Bear Stearns, left Bear Stearns 1981. This is 83. I mean, maybe this is the start of how he's starting to accrue money. Right, right. And learning how to through these means.
00:13:27
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Yeah. And, yeah, the sick part, yeah, he is abusing this girl and then using
Coercion and Recruitment in Epstein's Circle
00:13:32
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that as his way of blackmailing. it it Yeah, it's unbelievable. So... At that point, the Epstein's associate, like, and he actually, he worked with his accountant to help her, like, fix the book so she could pay off Epstein. Her mom, like, this became so stressful for her mom that her mom, who had been sober, started drinking again.
00:13:51
Speaker
She later went to prison near Columbia for this incident, for embezzling. That's where the then solicitor, right? Randolph Buster Murdoch, Alec Murdoch's grandfather. Yeah. Was actually the one who signed off on the charges.
00:14:08
Speaker
So there we have like a direct, I mean, a small but a direct connection. Well, and... not necessarily small especially if this is early on in everything for epstein that's a name that's gonna stick with him now right and this is just one incident that we know of sure right we don't know what else maybe the solicitor's office was sweeping on the rug kind of turning their back on to not see we just know at least this one thing was happening But again, the Murdoch's are fully, it's as fully fully in their jurisdiction, anything going on in Hilton Head at this time. Right. Okay. So she gets transported to actually the Buford County Jail. Part of her mom's charges were to pay monthly restitution payments of $150 till she paid off whatever that debt was that she embezzled. Okay. So she's in jail. So in 19, well, I'm going to go back. Hold on. Let's go back to, so mom's there. um
00:15:14
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Let's go back a little bit about what happened to this girl. And this is what's hard. So she, she goes on to describe several of the different interactions she had during this time. She said that Epstein sent her on what she referred to as what she referred to as missions to find young girls who wanted to party. On about the fifth interaction she had with Epstein, she vaguely remembered other girls around older men, but she didn't recognize any of them. um What she said was a little strange because but yeah that I was fairly small, like people knew people. So she said it was kind of strange that she didn't recognize anyone.
00:15:56
Speaker
But there was these, she she referred to as two of the men were fat and disgusting and had Santa's stomachs. And yeah, she didn't recognize them, but they were quite fierce. One of the men physically...
00:16:12
Speaker
And verbally abused her. He remembered her pulling her hair, beating the shit out of her. and she specifically remembered him stomping on her big toe, hilter hit her with a belt. And she says she has no idea what this was about.
00:16:29
Speaker
He didn't actually sexually abuse her. It was just this physical abuse. She said that was a long evening that went into the morning. Oh gosh. So I would argue that it it was in fact sexual abuse because I'm imagining it's some sort of violence power kink thing. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I don't, I mean, I believe within that there's also, I mean, there was a lot of a view abuse from a lot of these different things. yeah.
00:16:54
Speaker
And, i you know, i mean, I don't want to, it's a big jump, but like, you know, ah you and I kind of both talked about, like when we talk about Alec Murda, and you would talk about going to these parties with, don't know.
00:17:05
Speaker
That's exactly where my brain is. I know we're we're decades before that, but. But like, i'm get I'm guessing his dad was too. And I'm, you know, and I don't know. Yeah, we can't like, we don't have evidence linking the anything directly those parties with the ones we know Alec went to, but they've got similar bones.
00:17:27
Speaker
Yes. And they were right in the same area, if you remember. it yeah Alec would go to his conferences, his like lawyer conferences in Hilton Head. I mean, yep he talked about it. But yeah again, we have no direct connection. It's just something that I would picture as I'm reading through this. So. um The girl says she had, ah she she couldn't really exactly estimate how many sexual interactions she had with Epstein. She said some somewhere between six and 20 times. So when she was, when Epstein was around these other people, it appeared like he was the leader and the others kind of deferred to him.
00:18:01
Speaker
She also kind of went on and and she felt guilty, but she did, and and we've heard about this over and over, kind of start bringing in these other girls.
00:18:12
Speaker
Because the way she describes it it was better to get him people to party with than be partied on. And it put her like in a little bit of a better place with Epstein. Again, this says it it was still a lot of guilt and they were still abusing her.
00:18:31
Speaker
But this kind of helped just a little bit to make the abuse quite not quite so significant. It kind of took the heat off of her for a little bit. And we hear this all the time. Like any of these larger rings that have kind of come falling down, even like R. Kelly, this he would do similar things. It's like an MLM structure almost, except the person, not the person at the top, but like the person just under who's who's now onto the recruiting section of this MLM is doing it.
00:19:03
Speaker
Like their reward is protection. Their reward is yeah great. Yeah, and- then people start blaming that i don't know it just bothers it bothers me so much yeah it's it's horrible yeah she said kind of like when she started introducing like he even seemed to like they kind of came to an understanding um and then while the situation was still horrible their action or you know interactions with her she felt like he looked at her like she was a quote good girl And acted as though he thought, like, you're my good girl now. And began and she began thinking, like, basically you had to eat or be eaten.
00:19:41
Speaker
But, that you know, that of course caused a lot of shame yeah within her. Absolutely, yeah. she She remembers, like, being at these parties and she said she vaguely remembered, like, screaming and crying. But she said the girls were always, like, very segregated so they couldn't talk or or associate with each person.
00:20:01
Speaker
Other even when they're like this was like a group setting. That's ah same thing with R. Kelly. It was the same. Yeah. Uh-huh. They were always given drugs and almost every interaction um right from the beginning when she was with Epstein. and They were almost always given alcohol, alcohol marijuana and cocaine. So i she said he his drink of choice was gin and tonic.
00:20:25
Speaker
He enjoyed listening to classical music and he blared Neil Diamond. Oh, interesting. Poor Neil Diamond. know. I don't know. So like over the years, she didn't, I mean, this was horrible, but like, you know, years later she went through, I mean, her life was rough, but it was only after like Epstein became, came back in the news that she kind of had and started seeing stories. um And actually like a friend of hers pointed out, wait, this, this, this reminds me of something you told me about, you know, back in a long time ago, she remembered the guy's name was Jeff and she Googled it.
Interactions with Trump and Ongoing Threats
00:21:00
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um And that's when she saw pictures in the story about Jeffrey Epstein and put it all together that this was the same person.
00:21:09
Speaker
So on the sixth incident, she said she, and involving him, she was 15 at this point and they were at a Rick James concert. Wow. And she was in Savannah, Georgia and Epstein like was there just says he was at the concert and surprised her. sure When she saw Epstein, she knew she had to go with him and he got her drunk. This was one case. She,
00:21:33
Speaker
She um was also high on marijuana. And he kept her isolated. at She was there with like a friend and her friend's mom. And he kept her isolated on the ah at the concert for so long that like the mother and daughter left. And she doesn't exactly remember all of what happened, but she knew that at some point Epstein left her on the side of the road. Oh, wow. And she found herself walking home wondering how she was going to...
00:21:57
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get back to the island at some point police picked her up and she said they kept her alone in the quote unquote real jail eventually her mother somehow or another picked her up a again she can't really exactly remember what happened and brought her home she also recalled at least the one incident where epstein took her off the island and it was between when she was 13 and 15 years old he drove her to or drove or flew her to either new york or new jersey and introduced her to someone with, ah she she said, money, money, and it was Donald Trump. She explains that as going into a very tall building with huge rooms. If we look back to our, like, what we were talking about before, and our, like, this is right when Trump had built Trump Tower. And he said that she did, he did not like her from this, from the get-go. She didn't like that. And what she says is, and this is a quote, he didn't like that I was a boy girl.
00:22:57
Speaker
And what he was referencing was she was a Tom girl. No, I'm sorry. What he was referencing is she was a tomboy. Okay, this is a little graphic, but I think it's important. They brought her in Everyone exited when...
00:23:11
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when Trump asked them to leave. Trump mentioned something to the effect of, let me teach you how to be how little girls are supposed to be. He unzipped his pants and pushed down her head. She ended up biting his penis.
00:23:28
Speaker
Because it repulsed her, she said. um And he struck her um and said something to the effect of get this little bitch the hell away from here. She advised she this is where she advised she bit ah Trump's penis because he disgusted her. He had money.
00:23:46
Speaker
It reeked off him. And at that point, like the others reentered the room and there was really no information given. She just didn't want to talk about it anymore. She was really uncomfortable at this point in the interview.
00:24:00
Speaker
She did. This is one interesting thing. And she does she does say a blonde, what she does remember is like there was a blonde, beautiful woman that approached her at some point the day after this interaction. And the woman said, let me give you a tip, little girl, about your breasts.
00:24:16
Speaker
Wear a bra every night. And she for some reason, those words just stayed with her throughout the years. I don't know. I always think about the fact that Ivana Trump fell, died, going downstairs 2022.
00:24:29
Speaker
But two but Absolutely no reason to believe that that's what it was. It just, that's what popped in my mind. Yeah. This is really easy. um Interesting is that she got the feeling that the relationship between Epstein and Trump included a certain amount of jealousy. Yeah. I can, ah I've gotten that vibe. Yeah. And that she appeared that it appeared that Trump was jealous of Epstein.
00:24:51
Speaker
Yeah. But at some point they ended up on the same ah playing field. She said Trump and e Epstein sometimes use the terms fresh meat, untainted, and not jaded while referring to girls. She said she didn't even know what not jaded meant. She had to look it up.
00:25:08
Speaker
She had two additional interactions with Trump, but she asked the interviewer to move on. She did not want to talk about them. All right. That's kind of, that's where she stops. and That's the information about Trump that kind of where that kind of ends. She does talk about how Epstein did give some of like her and her friends acid at some point, which she had not recalled like ever hearing about on the island before. And after that, like it swept the island. Yeah, she went on and you know, it grew like she did continue to be sexually abused by Epstein, but he did feel like he or she felt like he trusted her a little bit. And it was still horrific, but she knew he knew she would keeping his secrets. um And so he would talk more in front of her about things. She talks a little bit about sexual fit fetishes and stuff. I don't, I'm with Epstein. I don't really want to get into that, but she does explain some, some of that.
00:26:04
Speaker
She did say that Epstein spoke another language sometime around her. um And she did not know what the language was, but it may have been Hebrew. At that point, she did not know he was Jewish. And Epstein talked about blackmailing people in front of her. and she was confident that Trump knew Epstein blackmailed people because she heard Epstein and Trump talking about it. She stated that she knew Trump had illegal building permits. She heard him, Trump, talking about washing money through his casinos. Number six is Donald Trump's favorite number. She was not sure how she knew that, but she had heard it at some point. Just the weird things your brain hangs on to.
00:26:45
Speaker
Yeah. Throughout this, I've been thinking about that. You know, like the late that the beautiful blonde lady and the comment about, you know, sleeping in the Just all these things at you that that do. And also that make the story seem very, I mean, I'm honest. yeah Because, yeah, that's... eat That is what your brain does pick these little things. Yeah. And I think Mary Trump's book from a few years ago kind of ah touched on the building permits thing. Uh-huh. I could be completely wrong that it was from her book, but I know that there's been conversation about the yeah ah illegitimate or illegal building permit things. And that's pretty, I mean, that's known.
00:27:24
Speaker
That's known Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, if we, you know, again, like going back to our, like our what we talked about last time, this is when he was in the middle of building Trump Tower. yeah yeah mean, he was, it was at kind of the peak of his different development. And yes, we've heard about that several times through different outlets. So yeah she stated that Epstein's blackmailing of her mother ruined her family.
00:27:46
Speaker
And that when asked by the agents, that she asked agents to keep her safe, stating that throughout my life, Epstein's people have found me and kept tabs on me. And we get it gets more into that. Now, here is something we did not talk about.
00:28:04
Speaker
So this interview occurred on August 7.
00:28:11
Speaker
It got filed or like written up on August 9th. Okay. Jeffrey Epstein died on August 10th. Coincidence? I don't know. yeah Very weird. Yeah.
00:28:25
Speaker
The podcast Sinisterhood, they are doing a phenomenal job at covering kind of some of these different elements. And they did this really great episode about his death and it's just I'm just shouting them out because it's incredibly interesting it left me just looking at their kind of gathering of of evidence it left me with the impression that if he's not alive he did not die by his own hand you know I have to believe yeah it sure seems like it would be a very strange coincidence but
00:29:02
Speaker
She has another interview on August 20th, and that's when they asked for further details about her interaction with Trump in New Jersey. She clarified like what she had previously said and then just added a little bit more to him that after she bit him, she provided further details that he pulled her hair, punched her on the side of the head, you know, so that not a whole lot more. She did say her mother spent approximately two years in federal prison because of this embezzlement thing. And that was around the time she was 17 or 18 years old. Her mother's sentence yeah was related to the embezzlement conviction connected to the blackmail and Jeffrey Epstein and Jim Akins over the explicit photograph. So I just can't like help it. Like they not only abused her, they not only took these pictures, but
00:29:52
Speaker
They then blackmailed her. They then basically pushed her to, you know, to cook the books, to get this embezzlement money. And then they turned her into the police. So it was like a full destruction. Yeah. like it yeah You know what i mean? like It was like fully destroying these two women's lives. And it did. and like And systematically and with intentional cruelty and purpose. Yes.
00:30:16
Speaker
Yes. and And we go on to hear even a little bit more about that because she said that she had been threatened on numerous occasions by unidentified people she believed connected to Epstein. She also said that her mother was threatened on several.
00:30:34
Speaker
occasions prior to she has since been deceased. At one point, the young lady called Atkins at the university to see if he would help her and recalled that she asked him why he fixed her mother's real estate books only to later turn her in to the police. Atkins responded, To her by saying words to the effect of he did not, quote, give a shit if you end up in the gutter. Don't ever contact me again.
00:31:05
Speaker
Your mother knows what will happen. So we have, you know, one thread at that time. She goes on um to talk about threatening phone calls that she had had all throughout the year.
Legal Actions and Settlements Against Epstein
00:31:18
Speaker
Several calls, like no caller noises or like with unidentified people saying F you you better keep your mouth closed. And she said that this happened regularly, like sometimes it was every year, sometimes it was ever two every two years, then it was at random times. She never recognized the voices during the telephone calls, but she was certain that they had to do and but and then that that they were not the voices of Epstein, Atkins or Trump, but that she was sure that it had to do with them. Her mother also fielded threatening phone calls made up by individuals for her to leave the island.
00:32:00
Speaker
She kind of goes into talking about, she cannot estimate exactly how many times she received these threatening calls. She just said that they were numerous throughout her lives. In the beginning, the threats were regular. They later became sporadic. During the last four years, however, the threats increased a little from one or the other. When they asked to clarify what she meant by one or the other, she stated she did not wish to further discuss that comment at that time. It says, administrative note, though, immediately after indicating she did not want to expound on the particular statement, she looked at her attorney, stated, quote, when he was running.
00:32:41
Speaker
At that point, her attorney stated, quote, more tracks to cover. And they repeated the statement back to her attorney. So. She reported a lot of hang-ups, ah messages to like, or comments, we know where you're at, you need to keep your mouth shut. People who called knew her mother was in a specific assisted living facility. Her mother got calls and some of them included like rude language about her age and her health.
00:33:09
Speaker
She did respond that she did not think the callers ever said they were calling on behalf of Epstein or Trump. Yeah, they wouldn't. face But here's where it like it even gets in it's a a little bit scarier. She said since the threats began, she had four or five close calls where she was almost run off the road. One was approximately two years ago. So that would have been in 2017, right? She said she was driving in the night um near Interstate 5. Side note, at this point, she lives in the Washington area, Washington State. So... A car turned its lights on and off. Then the car and another, both described as nice and black or blue, attempted to run her off the road. was crying it so she It did not end up wrecking her car. And the last incident she had, which she clarified, happened about two and a half or three years ago. Okay.
00:34:06
Speaker
Did that make sense? that She was at an exit near a gas station in a traffic circle. A male driver positioned in his car overworked. quote on her ass and slammed her car forward the man ran through the traffic circle where she blew out her tire and broke her mirror she recalled she ran into a sign she didn't call the police but said that there were witnesses at the gas station who asked about it and may may be able to recall so i mean there was actual like physical threats to her too um She did start working with attorneys. So now we're at, I believe, her fourth interview. And this is in October of 2019. So at that point, she does tell the FBI that she is started working with ah ah an ah attorney. And she was very upfront that she had entered one of the um civil cases against the Epstein estate.
00:35:00
Speaker
She was really, she wanted to make sure that was not a conflict of interest. Oh, yeah. Side note, she did get paid out by the estate. So whatever and in the civil case. so Her information was deemed relevant and plausible enough that she got a payout.
00:35:20
Speaker
So I think that's a huge deal. Yes, it is. yeah Now, interestingly, just within the ah recently, um Epstein's attorney testified before Congress and he reiterated that she got paid out.
00:35:34
Speaker
After that, like, while under oath, after that, her, um, Epstein's attorney kind of, like, came forward and said, like, may, like, put doubt to that whether, you know, she had got paid or not. So just kind of muddied the waters about it. But it does appear that she had, was paid out. They asked if they could audio, like record, like, audio record her, um, during this fourth interview. She said she was not comfortable with that. And that at that point, she realized, like, wait a minute, that we're beyond the um statute of limitations anyway. So, like, what's the point of even doing this? um She definitely was fearful for her safety. You know, the agents went on to explain, and this is during the fourth interview, you know, that victims should have the right to explain their story and that... The agents also explained why they wish to keep the fourth interview focused on abuse endured at the hands of the individual associated with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:36:34
Speaker
Previously, she had mentioned the sexual encounter with current U.S. President Donald Trump. While she was a minor, she previously explained that the contact with was facilitated through her association with Epstein. She was asked whether she felt comfortable detailing her contacts with Mr. Trump. Again, she asked what's the point would be of her providing that information. um And that at this point in her life, since there was a strong possibility nothing could be done around it. The agents asked her to go home and take as much time as she needed to think about speaking with them further. She agreed. And the interview ended.
00:37:13
Speaker
We don't know anymore since then. Okay. Gosh, they could have. I just feel like if they had said to her, i get it, statute of limitations, it's it's terrible. But depending on what you say, like things you share, if other victims who have come forward say similar things that that corroborates it for them as well um and not to put that not to like necessarily put that on her as her responsibility but i just they get they didn't give her a good reason to come well i get the feeling they did try some i think so too but they didn't it to me it feels like they didn't they didn't recognize what they could have said to maybe encourage her a little bit more it just was like yeah you're right that sucks but let's keep talking
00:38:01
Speaker
and And what did they say as far as keeping her safe? Right. That too. Yeah. i mean, can she trust that? You know, she's in a terrible position and how absolutely frightening is, you know. So here's the thing.
00:38:17
Speaker
We have no information whether like an investigation was followed up on. We have not, we don't know anything more from this point. And just like to go back, I mean, I know we were tying this all back to like what we were talking about with Murda and Epstein and South Carolina. i think hopefully once you like hear the whole story, you can see those little bits and pieces of why this kind of fits in with some of the things we were hearing about. So.
Speculations and Future Investigations
00:38:46
Speaker
Basically, 83 to 86, we don't know what Jeffrey Epstein was doing. He was off the radar. We never heard this connection to Hilton Head before. Should be easily verifiable. Seems like there has been verification that he was there. What if he was part of like, you know, the smuggling rings? Maybe maybe what if he had something to do with that? But also while there, this is where he started laying some groundwork for some of, uh, Obviously, he had a proclivity toward these sexual deviancies, but we also know that he went on to use them to entrap others for blackmail reasons, which is
00:39:25
Speaker
if what she's saying is correct, seems to be what could have happened with president Trump. You know, there's tons of and unanswered questions, but I think there's certainly enough. um And I'd be very curious about what investigations went on after that. And if we'll ever be made aware of them. Yeah. And in in terms of the Murdoch end of it,
00:39:48
Speaker
we know how corrupt they were as politicians slash attorneys. And I think um the cases that they did sign off on are probably as important as the ones that they decided to kind of look at the other way and not maybe press charges. And um so I, I think that's a big deal that they decided to pursue charges against that mother.
00:40:15
Speaker
Yes. And yeah, I mean, and I know that's just one tiny little connection, but that's one tiny connection that the Post Courier found. You know what I mean? Upon further investigation or looking into it more, there could be many other. That is just one that was obvious and that they you know came across in that in the process of researching it. Yeah. I mean, and then the key is there was some there was lawlessness. There was fraud. There was blackmail. It was all going on.
00:40:43
Speaker
And I don't know. All we know is that the Murdoch family was covering this area. They had jurisdiction. And that's how, in some remote way, I do believe there jurisdiction.
00:40:55
Speaker
At least a connection. Yeah. Well, we know, you know, there is, it's on paper. We know that there's a connection. And um to me, that suggests that there are more connections that are possible. Maybe not directly to, you know, I don't think Randolph was like making phone calls to Epstein or anything, but just as we kind of said with the Miller family, i think, I think that kind of the tentacles of,
00:41:21
Speaker
crime in that area can reach just about anybody who is willing to kind of participate not to give epstein too too much credit but i mean he's known as being a near genius you know i'm i'm not thinking that you know the murdaws were genius no but but that doesn't mean that they cannot be manipulated and used or, and they are still willing participants in fraudulent. And there is something to be said about a lot of these people that are around Epstein or that we've talked about that aren't necessarily right up against him.
00:41:58
Speaker
That are these men who think that they are so much more powerful and smarter and can, they can be the ones who manipulate and they have the power and, they're in control and they simply are not, they are being controlled by a larger entity. Yeah. And it's like, it's, I'm going to use my new favorite word. It's a bit of hubris that you're, they're not as smart as they think they are. And they are probably the ones that are the puppets and they don't think they are. And they don't think they are. that's a great point. They think they're in charge. They yeah they have very high, high levels of, uh,
00:42:37
Speaker
confidence in themselves that they don't even realize that they're yeah used to. Well, we will. I mean, I want to continue. You know, this has obviously the public is starting to hear about this. I think there's going to be a more and more attention brought to it.
00:42:53
Speaker
There also was an very interesting news, like an old article that was included that I found from the Post and Courier from like the 80s. I haven't, i want to dig into it a little bit more. it gets, I mean, it takes this whole thing and like blows it up to like whole.
00:43:13
Speaker
transnational political huge thing. So i don't want to talk about it yet, but I am going to research a little bit and maybe put it together with some some information that's in there that I know not heard anyone talk about and see if I can fit it in with any kind of timeline that makes sense. Yeah, perfect. And I know we're talking about doing a little bit more of not necessarily the Murdoch side of it, but some more looking into Epstein stuff over on our YouTube channel.
00:43:41
Speaker
Yeah. So we will do that to the best of our, what our mental health allows. Yes. So for right now, I think this is, yeah, where I mean, we'll wrap up here. Our plan is to start um our new topic, which is the Kennedy curse. So we'll move on to a different era. Move on to a different group of men who think that they're very powerful. Man, I got a type, don't I?
00:44:08
Speaker
oh my gosh, man. maybe we need to reconsider well we did do ruby and jody so at least we have at some point looked into females who are yeah but then also the other the other uh one we did about women who are doing murders was aqua tofana where it was about yeah murdering these men All right. Well, if there's anything more that we, you know, if there's more anything more that comes out in this in the next few weeks, we have these two episodes will roll out. So we'll, we'll add on there. But anyway, hope, I hope you guys can follow. It was a little complicated to follow going back and forth with the FBI reports, but. But I will, in both of the episodes, I will link to this specific file and the Post and Courier article so everyone can check those out too and kind of follow along. That sounds fantastic. All right. Well, I think that's it for us. till Until next week, y'all take care. Bye.