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The Death of Mica Acacia Francis, Part 29
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We continue walking through the indictment of JP Miller and discuss what we think he will plea.
Note: This episode was recorded before the arraignment. Check out episode 79 to hear Nikki discuss the outcome of the hearing.
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Transcript
Introduction of Hosts and Focus
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Speaker
Welcome to Fixate Today Gone Tomorrow. I'm Nikki and I'm here with my Aunt Joy. We are two neurodivergent ladies who obsess about various topics. Joy is autistic and I have ADHD and we are letting our hyperfixations fly.
Overview of Micah's Case and Indictment Discussion
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Speaker
Today we are fixating on the death of Micah Frances Miller. Music
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Speaker
Welcome back, everybody. today we are going to talk more about the J.P. Miller indictment. When this releases, we'll definitely have known what his plea is his arraignment will have happened.
Details of the Indictment and Allegations
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We're hoping to have a little bit of a blip of an update pop up on your feed at some point with what his plea was and things like that. So we are recording on January 11th and his indictment is scheduled for tomorrow. But what we're going to do today, we're going to pull the specific things from the indictment, the specific allegations and charges and line them up with the timeline of events that we know happened in
00:01:15
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their marriage in Micah's life and see kind of what the things that are listed in the indictment, where that lines up with the events we know happened.
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And so what the indictment is actually talking about, I guess.
Federal Case Certainty and Timeline
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Sounds good. And ah yeah to be honest, I, you know, reading through the indictment, don't think there was a whole lot of surprises. i think pretty much everything in there,
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We knew happened. And I think i think you going through this timeline proves that. Yeah, I agree. And I think it'll also show that there's a lot more that could have been added even in the abuse allegation oh yeah section of it.
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What I will say up front is it is a federal case. yeah And what i have learned about federal cases is that they will not be prosecuted unless there is like 90% chance of a conviction.
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The federal government's not going to waste its time unless it's basically a guarantee that they win.
Micah's Challenges and Threats from JP
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But even like just get even getting an indite indictment is huge. Right. i Yeah.
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They're pretty certain. Yeah. Yeah. And I would guess that that's maybe why we don't feel completely satisfied with the indictment, because these are the things that are guaranteed they're going to win.
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You know what i mean? Yeah. Not total vindication. i don't think the majority of people who have followed the case may feel full vindication. but Yeah. But let's walk through the indictment and the events of the indictment.
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The indictment says the dates that they're focusing on begin on November 16th, 2022 and go until Micah's death, the day she died in April 2024. So let's start back there.
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November 16th, 2022 is the evening that Micah went to her sister Sierra's house. She told Sierra she was there because she was having a, quote, bad time at home.
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This comes from Micah's friend, Charlotte Korn, who has been very, very vocal and very, um very forthcoming with information and evidence in the abuse allegations.
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So I think Sierra was in Kansas at this time, if I'm remembering correctly, but I can't remember 100%. So Micah had left home.
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She had actually asked Charlotte and her husband to keep an eye on JP because she was worried about him. And when Micah was at Sierra's home, JP began sending both Micah and Sierra threatening texts demanding that Micah return home.
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Micah tried to send the police to him for a wellness check, and JP interpreted this as an attempt to have him arrested, not an attempt to just make sure he's okay. There was 911 call that was released publicly, and on that call, Sierra was telling the dispatcher that JP had purchased six guns recently and was threatening to, quote, keep them up all night.
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At the same time, he was really unhinged, like maniacally begging Micah to return, using her desire to have a baby as a manipulation tactic. And he also said to her, quote, my blood is on you and my kids will know.
00:04:32
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He also told Sierra to go ahead and call the police because he was, quote, armed and ready. I think at this time, i believe implication is she was fleeing for her safety, or at least that's what I feel like she was doing. Although it also seemed like she was hoping for a fresh start.
Hospitalization and JP's Manipulations
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ah Yeah. Because she got involved in church, made new friends. Also, she was trying to keep her location where she was living on the down low. She didn't want people knowing that. And I think, again, that's a safety concern. Yeah.
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Speaker
So that was 16th, November 28th, 2022. Micah was brought to Waccamaw Mental Health Center by her family as they believed that she had been drugged by JP and was in need of mental health assistance. And this was the hospitalization that JP attempted to prevent.
00:05:25
Speaker
This comes up a lot in, you know, after Micah died, how big of a deal he made about her mental health and that she wasn't doing the things she needed to do. She wasn't taking her medicine. She wasn't going to see professionals. And this was a moment that she actively made the choice to go seek professional help. And he attempted to stop her from that.
00:05:44
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I believe the notes, um I think I have the notes from this particular hospitalization. And I believe she's quoted in there as saying something along the lines of the people who are supposed to be keeping me safe are not doing so.
00:05:59
Speaker
Yeah. Doesn't say anything more, but that that's what I believe she's quoted as saying that and at this time. Yeah. So now we're going to jump to February, 2024 when was involuntarily hospitalized During that hospitalization, JP took control of her phone, purse, and car while
Workplace Sabotage and Financial Misconduct
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hospitalized. In taking the her silver Honda, he claimed that she would sell it for cash and police didn't or couldn't do anything because it was considered marital property.
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JP also texted and emailed from her devices posing as her. He deleted evidence from her phone and laptop and called loved ones from her phone. And he also posed as her on social media to message people.
00:06:50
Speaker
Do you want to um refer back to the actual indictment and say where we think that's what I going to say? Yeah. um Yeah. So he this was he was using the computer services and electronic communications, pretending to be her to harass her.
00:07:06
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you think this has anything to do with the interstate commerce because she was out of the state? That's what I'm curious about too. I'm confused about that, about commerce, unless it has something to do with like by having her devices, he had access to like her banking and things like that.
00:07:20
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Even when she wasn't in the state, I don't know. It's confusing. or if there was other stuff going on that was bigger that it was beyond just his interaction with Micah, maybe he was using her devices
Significance of March 11, 2024
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to conduct those exchanges.
00:07:38
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Yeah, that makes that makes a lot of sense. All right, so let's talk about interfering with Victims 1's finances and banking.
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I think this is the February 14th incident that Micah took $159.09 out of the Dare to Care charity's bank account and moved it to her personal account.
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And the following day, she was accused of taking $1,200 from the church. A redacted report says a staff member stole the money. And Micah, I think, was still officially on staff at that time.
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I think this was one of the straws that broke Micah's back. And I think she realized that she could likely be blamed for some of his financial crimes or she was being set up to take any sort of blame for financial things. Ironically, there's a chance that this could have came back to haunt him.
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Because this also would have allowed authorities access into the church's yeah accounting and financial
JP's Manipulative Tactics and Public Image
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records. And once they had a reason for being involved, then they have access to them all. And so this this may have been a poor move on his part.
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Don't know. Yeah. Which I do think he does. I think when he feels cornered, he is impulsive. Definitely. And I think that was this moment. We haven't gone on to hear more about him just being controlling over her finances um in general. But yeah, i think right I think the indictment's pointing to this this specifically. That's what I think, too.
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I think broadly there is likely more evidence of that control. But this is, like I said, they only want to talk about the things that they're guaranteed to win. Yeah, and this is easy to prove. Also, on February 15th, Micah placed a 911 call saying that JP was in a manic state and a danger to himself. She said that he had taken her purse, phone, car, and her guns, which I would say falls under ah interfering with Victims 1's daily activities. She said on that call that he had choked and beaten her the week before, and the Myrtle Beach police denied request for call for the call. So basically was like, here, okay. Now, I find it interesting, though, in the indictment, they really this is not really addressed. There's nothing really addressed about physical harm, physical injury. Right.
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So i I think the indictment more points to even just taking her purse. Yeah. Like, I think that's what the indictment points to in this. So JP did release a video. I think it's of this date of her, I think, trying to get into his house.
00:10:13
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And he's very sternly saying, stop, stop. And she's calm and she's totally fine. She's just like banging on the door and being like, just please give me my purse in this video. And I think JP released it to be like, look, she was trying to get into my house. But again, it kind of backfired because she's very calm. Like, just give me my purse. And I think, again, the whole like choking her, beating her. I think that's harder to prove.
00:10:37
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So, yeah. Right. We like traditionally know that it's it's difficult to prove. And we know um she alleged that he deleted evidence from her phone.
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So even if she had documented it on her phone when he was in control of it. Right. there were things that were deleted. I can't, obviously I'm speculating, but if there had been evidence of that, they likely would have been erased when he was in control of her. Also, if he had taken her guns, I think that's where we get a little bit more into the, um like the fear of injury, the threats of injury and that sort Yeah. Oh yeah.
Micah's Personal Life and JP's Framing Attempts
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Maybe even, maybe so far, I don't know.
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Cause I mean, in the indictment that this is where, you know, that it says with the intent to kill, harass, intimidate and Anytime the guns are involved, I would assume that then we're adding to that evidence. Absolutely. Yeah.
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So this is another one of like the daily activities finance bit. February 2024 to April 2024, Micah left her job working at the church and began working as a server at a restaurant. And she told many people that she was worried she'd lose her job because of JP's persistent calls and visits to the restaurant. Yeah. And some said that he was harassing the restaurant even when she wasn't there.
00:11:49
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And this is kind of a typical, um if we're talking cycle of abuse, this is pretty typical of when the abusive partner is left. It's one of the things of like, anything I can do to sabotage your escape and you have to come back. Like, if you can't work, you have no money.
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You have nowhere else to go but hope but come back to me type of thing. That's how I saw that. Agreed. Yeah. And again, in the indictment cannot, does that? refer back to him being involved in her finances and banking systems and such.
00:12:23
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And just interfering interfering with her life. Yeah. She's just trying to go to work. So this is the big one. We have heard many people saying we need to pay attention to March 11th. We did a whole YouTube video just on March 11th, 2024, that is. JP himself, in it one of his when he was kind of doing those unhinged TikToks,
00:12:45
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pretty early on said like March 11th was important. He said it in some like snide way, but March 11th is a big deal. So March 10th to March 11th, 2024, Micah met with a man at Spring Maid Pier until about 1.30 a.m. 11th.
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When she got home, there was a razor blade in her tire and her car had been keyed. Micah discovered that the razor matched a previous incident where her tire had been slashed a couple days before on March fifth which was a day that JP and Micah had probate court.
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This incident was related to the involuntary hospitalization. And just, I think it was like to get her psyche val on the record. Nobody had gone near her car at the probate court. So it probably happened before. and it's been speculated that this was an attempt to have to get her to miss court because at this hearing, the motion to have her committed was dismissed and she was found to be mentally healthy.
00:13:46
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So that's just a side note about the razor blade. And the man she met at the pier, she is rumored or at least JP believed that there was romantic involvement between the two of them. And that at that time he did have some type of private investigator following her.
00:14:06
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Yes, exactly. The man she met with was in his 20s and
Family and Community Involvement
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part of JP's inner circle with a family connection to the Horry County deputy at the time. Side note, this deputy was present. um One of the officers' names he dropped at the November 2022 mental health incident where he was trying to prevent her, Micah, from seeking mental health. Side side note, we've never really heard anything more about this gentleman.
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He kind of... yeah disappeared yes i think great i think that he deserves to be disappeared from this narrative like i don't think he's done anything wrong um we've come to find out his mother has spoken out who's the deputy that we're talking about she's come out and said that she was taken advantage of and she was used and she didn't realize it So I think that that's kind of why I'm not even saying their names, because we know their names. Right. They don't deserve to be involved in it, it seems. No. I just wonder if, yes, people were respectful and just leaving him alone or if he lo moved, got out of there a little bit. So as to not be harassed. That would make sense so also. I do know just from me being a weirdo Facebook person that the young man is Facebook friends with people on the Micah side of things. So I, yeah, I think that this family realized that they were manipulated in a lot of ways.
00:15:35
Speaker
JP believed that Micah was having an affair with this man. There was a phone call released between JP and this young man. um The young man was on staff at Solid Rock Church. And this phone call was basically JP like accusing him of all these things. It was very uncomfortable. I'll get into it a little bit more. But that's why it was such a big deal that he thought they were having an affair.
00:15:58
Speaker
Gentle reminder, they were separated and pursuing a divorce. So even if she did share a kiss with this man, they were not together. Micah and JP. JP definitely in his sermons brings this up in his very word salad-y, manipulated words way and exploited like whatever this friendship was between Micah and this man to get sympathy for himself.
00:16:21
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So this night, JP had a private investigator track Micah to the beach and he did not like the information he was given. So he was having some full-blown tantrum. He even called his ah partner in crime or I don't know,
00:16:36
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right-hand woman, Trisha Ross, after the PI alerted him to Micah and the young man being together. And we have seen text messages. and I think there might've been a recording, but can't remember. Trisha Ross at the time was visiting her daughter and was asleep. So JP
Legal Actions and Dynamic Between Micah and JP
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called Trisha's daughter at 2.05 AM m to demand to speak to Trisha.
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And the the point of the call was he wanted to know what type of car the young man was driving. I guess the PI said like this car, they're together in this car. and And JP's, so he is spiraling trying to just, he's just manic, I would say. Which makes sense when we go back to the indictment, right?
00:17:19
Speaker
About this night. And this is where he's accused of knowingly and willfully making false fictitious and fraudulent statements. And that referred to specifically the defense, or he said he victim one or Micah had called at least 50 times or more than she called him.
00:17:40
Speaker
I saying that right? It was like he was saying, he was doing the grandiose thing he does. And he was saying like, he might've called her a couple of times, but she called him 50 times more than he called her.
00:17:52
Speaker
That's my understanding. kind of a weird lie, but maybe did that have to do with being in his manic state that he was like going overboard? i mean, just in his state was not just fully not in his right mind. i think um that that night, whatever happened that night, yeah very much.
00:18:11
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yeah So and to kind of keep moving on with that day, this is also the day that she was at the car dealership East Coast Honda to have the tire fixed. And JP kept calling and driving by while she was there waiting for to fix the tire. She even called the police from the dealership.
00:18:31
Speaker
She had to have three different phone numbers at this time. And he was calling all of them. And even like when the officer was there, he called while the officer was standing there. And she would block his number and he would still call. He would use fake numbers. He would do all these things and he would still call her.
00:18:47
Speaker
I would speculate once he saw that the police officer left after the report had been filed, JP showed up at the dealership. Later, he would say that he was just he was there first and he ran into her and was like, oh, gosh, I have some of your mail in the car. I'll go. I'll go grab that and that. That was all the interaction was. But in a video that was released, I think Micah took the video because she needed proof. He was threatening her to post photos of her on Facebook. And he was threatening this in front of because she called the police back. And he so he said this in front of an officer.
00:19:22
Speaker
Later that day, Micah would file a restraining order. Again, and just another side note here, he had been inappropriately texting another woman for a few weeks at this time um and just two days before was engaged in an appropriate text conversation. so I just see people being like, well, she was being inappropriate while married. Well, so was he.
00:19:44
Speaker
like So I think in the indictment charges, basically all of his lies kind of had to do with this night. yeah And i I was just looking at it and I've never really thought about this. But so he told those lies, according to the indictment, on October 17th, 2024, in the District of South Carolina and elsewhere. So I wonder when he was questioned that day.
00:20:10
Speaker
why Why he was questioned in October. So he didn't lie. it doesn't sound like he'd lied or interacted with the um authorities in March. It was months later referring back to the state.
00:20:22
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. As far as October goes, the only thing I can remember is that it was in October that I believe Micah came back from the mission. That was about the time she was on the mission. Yeah. and that was when i No, was it was.
00:20:38
Speaker
October 2024 was after her death. yeah. Okay, sorry. take Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm getting, yeah I was thinking that October before. Never mind. Yeah, yeah.
00:20:50
Speaker
So let's talk about JP's allegations of the events of March 11th. In a TikTok, he told all of us, quote, super sleuths to remember this date. He says that Micah was in a delusional state from being off of her meds. And in order to get her historically, in order to get her to take her medication, he would have to play into those delusions.
00:21:12
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He said that all of her accusations were her delusions and never actually happened. He said that she threatened him. She can't remember
Escalation on March 11th
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Speaker
exactly what he said, but or what she said. But, you know, he she threatened and that his threat to post pictures on Facebook was to post post the pictures of her with the young man.
00:21:34
Speaker
Or as he said, a quote boy. JP told Micah that people at Solid Rock Church hated her after the affair that started their relationship.
00:21:45
Speaker
And that this kind of sent her spiraling and... set off some delusions, I guess, is what he was trying to say, which was not true at all. Like when it was discovered that JP and Micah were having an affair, they had problems with the leader of their church having an affair, not necessarily Micah.
00:22:04
Speaker
The people who left the church didn't leave the church because of Micah. They left because of JP. But I think her believing or not believing JP telling her that people hated her made it more hard, more more difficult for her to leave, if that makes sense. So that was one of the kind of JP's allegations. He also said that any photos of inappropriate behavior with the man from the beach were signs of Micah's mental health crisis. And he was having her followed because he realized she was in crisis.
00:22:35
Speaker
He said that she was stalking him. That she slashed his tires. She sent him the naked photo.
00:22:46
Speaker
And that she was tracking him. Because one time he found an Apple AirTag in his truck. He said that she would show up where he was. So he does this thing where everything he does, he says she was doing to him.
00:22:58
Speaker
And I don't know why he thinks this isn't telling on himself, but he's every almost every allegation we have found that Micah made against him later. He says that, no, she did it to me. Yeah, I think we see that pattern in society in other ways.
00:23:12
Speaker
Yeah, you're right. You're not wrong.
00:23:16
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So i I feel like right now, is like that this was like the apex, right, of the contentious relationship
JP's Influence and Aggressive Tactics
00:23:23
Speaker
between them. This was definitely like a major tipping point. So was it all about the affair or was there, it's about other things too? I don't know.
00:23:31
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of the question. But what we do see is like even days later, weeks later, he was still spinning. yeah Yeah. On a March 24th sermon, JP discusses this young man who was fired,
00:23:45
Speaker
JP had to fire somebody. He said during this time, JP asked the young man who his authority was, and he said, JP wasn't his authority, God had his authority. And to the congregation, JP said, quote, get God to sign your paycheck then.
00:24:00
Speaker
So witty, JP, so witty. So around this time also was there was an audio recording made of it was before the young man was fired, but JP confronting him. And this was released by True Crime Re on TikTok, who we've come to kind of learn that if it's not JP himself, it's somebody working with JP. This is a pro JP TikTok guy.
00:24:27
Speaker
So JP must have made the recording. Right. And it's confronting the young man. tells the young man that he had a PI following Micah and he uses the phrase, like my guy was following her and he gets real uncomfortable. And he's like, starts asking this poor guy, like, where did you touch Micah? Was there kissing? Do you think Micah wanted, wants to marry you? And it's like anything the young man said happened.
00:24:54
Speaker
JP would be like, well, the private investigator said this and like kind of deny the, like you're lying to me. The investigator said this actually happened. And honestly, the young man was being really quite respectful given the circumstances.
00:25:09
Speaker
Yes. The young man said that Micah had called him and asked to meet up at the beach. And J.B. comes back and is like, yeah, she did that the same thing to me 10 years ago.
00:25:20
Speaker
He forbid the young man from coming on to the church property or doing anything related to Solid Rock Church until he reviewed the private investigator's video. And the young man, like, it's just he's very earnest and sweet. And he offered to write a resignation. like He offered to step away. And JP says, don't worry about that. We'll take care of this. And then was fired.
00:25:42
Speaker
So like he definitely, he, JP made it sound like this was a pattern that, that of cheating on her husbands. And, and in 10 years, he'll, she'll do the same thing to him.
00:25:54
Speaker
JP said that God was compelling the young man to text Micah and tell her in this text that she committed adultery and made him do it too. And that he was losing his job because of her choices.
00:26:07
Speaker
To my knowledge, the young man did not do this. But so this is like everything in terms of his marriage and his the perception of his church was caving in on this day because of this day. And it just continued like this.
00:26:23
Speaker
He's spinning and he's retaliating. So on March 13th, Trisha Ross reported that dare to care theft again. It had already been settled. The judge refused to sign the warrant.
00:26:37
Speaker
Because it was obvious that the money Micah had withdrawn was her own and much less than was being reported. And Micah believed that this report was JP, again, trying to set her up and trying to punish her, trying to scare her.
00:26:53
Speaker
Two days later on March 15th, Micah found another tracker and it was actually on her 80 year old neighbor's car that she would borrow to go to work. So he was flailing.
00:27:04
Speaker
And i I think March 11th, I think when he said that a super sleuth should remember the date, he wasn't lying. I think this, this was the moment that there was no going back for JP.
00:27:16
Speaker
ah You know, as you've been talking, I fully read through the indictment in this time yeah And almost everything that the indictment refers back to is this day.
00:27:28
Speaker
Almost everything yeah and that is part of it could be really from this one day only. Now, it doesn't mean that that other things weren't happening at other times too, but this is very, very integral. yeah Yeah. And if you look through it, almost all of it and all of his lies are about this one day.
00:27:51
Speaker
So- Again, was it just about him losing control because of his insecurity and her having this relationship? Was there more going on that day? I don't know that we'll ever know that.
00:28:02
Speaker
And I can see it either way. Yeah, i think I think where we like together have landed is it's both. yeah I think the unraveling of his marriage meant that things were going to come out about the other things.
00:28:15
Speaker
Yeah. And if she's married to him, she can't be compelled to testify against him. Yep. So but I also think he's very immature and retaliates when he feels cornered. He lashes out as I think is what happened on April 8th, 2024, when a nude photo ah of Micah was posted on Facebook. The only owner of this photo, besides Micah, was JP.
00:28:43
Speaker
However, because the photo was posted anonymously and parts of the image were blurred, it was deemed not illegal, as it did not meet South Carolina's definition of nudity.
00:28:57
Speaker
Micah alleged that he had done this before. um Prior to her 2023 trip to Africa, he shared a nude photo of her after she had discovered he was having multiple affairs and she had filed for divorce prior to the trip.
00:29:12
Speaker
However, we believe that fellow church members on this trip convinced her to work out the marriage and she withdrew the filing.
Legal Complexities and Societal Implications
00:29:20
Speaker
Okay. So while legally it did not ah rise to South Carolina's definition of nudity, it is in the federal indictment listed though under yeah ah actually specifically under the use of electronic devices. So this is specifically listed under like the use of ah electronic devices and the cyber stalking. Which, yeah, it's listed as used or threatened to use nude photos or photographs.
00:29:47
Speaker
a Victim want to harass. ah but and actually And also posted, yeah, nude photograph of a victim online. And says very clearly without consent.
00:29:58
Speaker
like It's very clearly. So again, her vehicle was interfered with on April 15th. She discovered yet another tracker. This one, the police wouldn't take the tracker into evidence because she and JP were still married. And again, it was considered marital property. So he could put a tracker on his own car.
00:30:18
Speaker
Was to some degree JP being protected by local authorities? Yeah. Because these same things that they claim are not, do not break a law, then the federal authorities did.
00:30:32
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Once the FBI became involved, they are all in the indictment. I fully think so. And I think it probably has very much to do with South Carolina divorce laws also, ah which we did a video about if you want to go check out our YouTube. yeah Because South Carolina divorce laws are wackadoo wackadoo.
00:30:52
Speaker
Yeah, it would be considered marital property in South Carolina. I mean, I think it would be considered maleed marital property no matter what. I think there is a degree. i don't think there's a degree. We know that South Carolina does not.
00:31:07
Speaker
look favorably on the women in any sort of marital issue. We have seen that over and over and over again. It is so hard to get a divorce. Women are not believed like chronically in South Carolina. And I know I'm saying this very broadly, but there are so many cases coming out of South Carolina of women not being believed that they're being abused or And I think a degree of it first is like misogyny, obviously. But I think there's a degree of like it's easier to be like, well, marital property. We can't do anything. Bye.
00:31:40
Speaker
Then to actually like do the protecting. Yeah, definitely. I think. And again, we did a YouTube video about this one. It is easier when a woman dies.
00:31:51
Speaker
There's time after time you see the man who likely perpetrated it or in a bunch of cases we talked about on the YouTube channel did, in fact, kill their partner. say that she was crazy and killed herself. And it's easier sometimes. I really believe it's easier for authorities to be like, yep, open and shut case. Let's go take a break.
00:32:12
Speaker
Yeah. So I think, I mean, Hey, thank goodness for FBI involvement. Yeah. No, they're kind of controversial controversial, but maybe in this case, there's at least um monoum a little bit of justice.
00:32:25
Speaker
And like, She also set that up, too. Like, she died in a different state that opened the door for federal investigators. Like, I think she knew she wouldn't he would get away with everything in South Carolina. Yeah. And she she also had them introduced the evidence of the IRS, the records, the church records to the IRS. Yeah. Which interestingly to me is not part of this indictment at all.
00:32:51
Speaker
So that's where I wonder if there was a plea because that was pretty big. That's a pretty big deal. She took a lot of risks in doing that. She was very intentionally doing it. We know that um that they were turned in. And that's a part that to me is always ah screamed that something big, but something else was going on. So if he took a plea, because that's not even mentioned, I think that that that's where whatever whatever those IRS records were pointed to some Larger crimes and maybe those crimes involved other people
Micah's Heroism and Justice Pursuit
00:33:25
Speaker
um that an ongoing investigation or I mean, with it could have it could have been ah arrested and we just don't know about it. Right.
00:33:33
Speaker
And we also know like I don't I don't know to what extent, but her contacting the IRS started the ball rolling on things. So it's not like she contacted them and they very much disregarded her. So that ah I agree. That was the risk yeah she was taking that to me. And, and we don't know if she proactively did that or if she was, um, pursued or, um, asked by the FBI to call it. events i personally always, um,
00:34:06
Speaker
believe that she was. She was doing it intentionally. She was working with somebody and she saw injustices going on that she just could not accept and needed knew that um there needed to be evidence. IRS evidence is the easiest to prove. It's the easiest way to get involved in somebody's financial records. Once you're in somebody's financial records, anything that has to do with finances and banking, is easy to prove because there's paper trail on all of it.
00:34:32
Speaker
so And again, so yeah, was it all, was this escalation all about just the affair or she turned in the IRS information that she had been collecting right around this time?
00:34:46
Speaker
i don't remember the exact date, though. Yeah, i can't remember. It was close to her. It was hurt right. Yeah. So. so And I don't necessarily agree she was working with somebody. I think she did so much of this on her own.
00:35:01
Speaker
And I think she recognized a lot of the things that she had to do. So that's where, like, the slight thing. You and I disagree. it Like, I don't think she necessarily was working with anybody. I think she was just like, well, this didn't work. I have to try this now. But, ah you know, I mean. Yeah. Yeah. We do disagree a little bit. I think she was working with somebody. I think she took a huge risk. I think.
00:35:17
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I think that, too. Yeah. That she took a huge risk and that she was. Somebody approached her to to help them. and And that probably, either way, i think whatever she was doing and collecting evidence is what put her at risk and ultimately what yeah somehow or another caused her.
00:35:34
Speaker
To lose her life. Yeah. All right. So let's move on to the false statements to investigators. The date that is on the indictment of the false statements is October 17th, 2024.
00:35:47
Speaker
the first There's a couple. There's three things. First, he claimed victim one called him more than he called her on March 11th, 2024. And He called her like the truth is he called her 50, 50 times more than she called him.
00:36:05
Speaker
And I think he alleged the opposite. And that was basically the lie he said. And we haven't talked about that. Seems really petty, but it's a lie. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lie. He also claimed that police had never told him to stop contacting victim one.
00:36:21
Speaker
When there is a report and the Horry County Police Department had told him to stop contacting her specifically on March 11th, 2024. And then finally, he claimed that he did not damage victim victim one's tires. And part of the indictment is he did, in fact, use a tire deflation device on the tires. Like, it's just another like, no, I didn't do that. It's like, but you did.
00:36:45
Speaker
Or you caused it to be done.
Indictment Impact and Public Perception
00:36:48
Speaker
Right. Maybe right his guy, quote unquote. Right. Which again would be the thing of like, well, I didn't cause the damage, but the indictments clearly makes it like facilitative that it was done at least. So so in his mind, he was not.
00:37:04
Speaker
Lying. Right. Exactly. Well, that is, that's all I have in terms of that. But do you want to talk about, like, why we think the charges are happening?
00:37:16
Speaker
Period. Or even, like, is this a step in an investigation? Is this, like, what do you think? I think my opinion is probably not going to be really popular on this.
00:37:27
Speaker
think... i think As heartless as it sounds, I think this is sort throwing the public a bone is what I would say. i think okay I think the public needed to know. I think that there was some justice for Micah. And I wonder if it hadn't become such a public story if he would have ever been charged with these particular crimes. Yeah.
00:37:58
Speaker
Yeah. What do you think? I think that's absolutely fair because we have seen any ah abuse cases in this country. It's very difficult. The system is not set up for justice for abuse victims, I think is fair to say. hmm.
00:38:15
Speaker
i'm Going back to the thing of like federal cases only move forward to the point of an even indictment. um If there's like there there needs to be basically a guaranteed win. And I think these charges in the grand scheme of things are kind of a low hanging fruit that will guarantee a conviction.
00:38:33
Speaker
hundred percent. hundred percent. And part of me thinks that it's a step in getting him into a courtroom to either perjure himself or to testify, like actually testify to the larger crimes. Yeah.
00:38:48
Speaker
And I think the case being so public, I think you're right. I think that's why it's happening. I think recognizing that he may be a pawn in this larger, not even a pawn, a cog, let's say, because I think he's a piece of it, of these larger things, getting him into a courtroom, I think is what, i don't want to say matters, because that's not what matters, but that's the goal, is my thought. The question is that, um I mean, I don't think we think he's the only person in his, this group of people that we've been talking about who is guilty of crimes.
00:39:23
Speaker
Yeah. At least of the bigger picture stuff. I, I, i that's my person personal thing. Will they, who have not been, um, had the, uh, media focus on them?
00:39:35
Speaker
Will they face some criminal charges? I wonder, or or if they are, as I would suspect, if they all are basically have flipped and are working with on an investigation of something else, you know, were they able to just plead them their way out of it completely? Yeah. So I also think there's an interesting tape um that you referred back to during one of his sermons, not, I mean, like a month or two ago where he talks about needing extra prayers. That's when he was like, people need to extra tithe. And um that he and he' he mentions that there there'll be something coming out in two weeks that's to change his life. And I think that's where there was the unknown, maybe to some extent, about what he was being charged with. And yeah that's when and I don't know if I'm curious to know if he thought he would be charged for more or less. I was just going to ask that. Yeah, I would be very curious about that. If this was like, OK, they they're only talking about this thing. They're not talking about all these other things.
00:40:40
Speaker
Relief is the wrong word for what I'm trying to express. I can't think of a different word, though. Yeah, I i mean, I think we both agree, like, based on what we think is yeah he's actually involved
Conclusion: Micah's Legacy and Justice
00:40:53
Speaker
with, or even just, like, the things that he did to Micah that we know, he was wildly undercharged. Definitely.
00:41:03
Speaker
And like you said, everything on here is pretty cut and dry. I mean, these aren't everything that's listed on the indictment. I don't think there's any question or hardly a defense that he could use to to get out of these. It's just, is it, yeah. Was it, ah was also there an element of getting the public to look the other way too? Like a little smoke and mirrors, like focus on this. Don't focus on what else was going on in the larger investigation.
00:41:31
Speaker
I don't know. I will be very anxious tomorrow um to see what his plea will be, what, you know, all those things. Hopefully, like I said, at least one of us will be able to make a quick little like, hey, this is what happened on Monday recording to tack on to the episode coming out this week. Yeah, because this one won't come out until a week after the actual arraignment, so.
00:41:54
Speaker
Yes, exactly. But good discussion on how it all ties back to yeah what we know. Yeah. I am going to remain hopeful that there will be some justice for Micah, but also justice if we think all these other things are happening or that he's he's involved, that some light is shown on all of those other things too.
00:42:15
Speaker
In a perfect world, two things are true. But I think the biggest thing, even more than, i want but just want Micah to be seen as a hero. Because I think she was. yeah And I think she was not just a victim. She was a hero. And we cannot forget that.
00:42:29
Speaker
um Yeah. I think she was the catalyst for so much. And I think she made it made a choice. Like brave choices. Multiple brave choices to to be the catalyst for this. Oh. to Yeah.
00:42:41
Speaker
To the point where I think she. I mean obviously in the end she suffered with her life. That's some bravery. All right. Well I think we shall wrap it up. it up for the day.
00:42:53
Speaker
All right, guys, have a good week. Back to Murdaugh next week. Yes, we will see you soon. Bye. Bye.