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91 – The Clue in the Drum and a DNA Reunion
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Jeff tells the chilling story of the murder of Reyna Marroquin. In 1999, construction workers renovating a home in Jericho made a horrifying discovery: a body sealed inside a 55-gallon drum for three decades. What followed was a forensic puzzle involving a former employer, long-buried secrets, and a case that proved the past never stays hidden forever. Sometimes justice waits quietly… and then kicks the door in.
Sam shares the story of how an unsolved 1971 murder in Howard County led to an unexpected and emotional DNA breakthrough decades later. Advances in genetic genealogy helped investigators identify a long-unknown victim, reconnect surviving family members, and finally bring answers to a case that had remained cold for over 50 years. Science doesn’t forget—and neither do the people still waiting for the truth.
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Sources
Jeff’s Sources (Reyna Marroquin):
- CBS News – The Clue in the Drum
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-clue-in-the-drum/ - Megan Ashley, Medium article
https://medium.com/@chelsealynnqueen94/the-murder-of-reyna-ang%C3%A9lica-marroqu%C3%ADn-a-tragic-discovery-30-years-later-5c962f8757a3 - Forensic Files episode
Sam’s Sources (1971 Cold Case DNA Identification):
- Howard County Police Department
https://www.howardcountymd.gov/police/howard-county-police-identify-jane-doe-1971-homicide-reunite-surviving-children - The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2026/02/07/cold-case-sibling-reunion-howard-county/
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Transcript
00:00:01
Jeff Rogers
I think it's deep. You're doing so good.
00:00:08
Jeff Rogers
think it's deep. Not that too deep. Too deep. Should we start? Yeah. In three, two, and one.
Podcast Introduction & Importance of Engagement
00:00:17
Jeff Rogers
Hello, Sam. Hi, Jeffrey. Hi.
00:00:41
Jeff Rogers
Hello, hello, and welcome to the Jeff and Sam show. I'm Jeff. And I'm Sam. Nailed it! We did it! you lovely people, can follow us on Instagram. You can email us at our Gmail account.
00:00:53
Jeff Rogers
Follow us on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, iHeartRadio, wherever you get your podcasts. Rate us and review us because that helps an algorithm, and an algorithm is a thing that, what does it do, Sam?
00:01:07
Jeff Rogers
Just threw that one at you. You did! Um, I i don't know It does that. Yeah. It does a thing. A thing that leads to a thing that leads to... Yeah. And then like the truth is, is, you know, if you guys like us and we know you do because some of you have told us, um not mentioning the person who gave us not a five star review, fuck that person. um But...
00:01:28
Jeff Rogers
I think that it's important because it like makes us show up on stuff because it's the computer reading your mind, i guess. And that's always a good thing. That's what an algorithm is, right? Something. computer reading your mind. That does the thing, yeah.
00:01:42
Jeff Rogers
Flashback to the MKUltra episode.
Sam's ADHD Diagnosis Journey
00:01:44
Jeff Rogers
ah I was thinking if somebody had a headband that they put on us and they were trying to like um track our anxiety or our attention span,
00:01:55
Jeff Rogers
So that's how i that's how I took my, so, so okay, let's pause for a second on that because there are some doctors who you walk into the doctor's office and you're like, hey, I have ADHD. And they're like, sure, here's Adderall, here's whatever, right?
00:02:09
Jeff Rogers
Mine um was not that. Okay, so first I took a written test, which by the way, i could have sworn it was in a different language. I don't know if it was. i asked and they looked to me like I was crazy because i couldn't like, I was like, I don't, I don't understand these questions or how these words are going together. Okay. So then they were like, all right, cool. so we're going to do this thing for you. And what they do is it's like, ah you know how they strap all those sensors and shit on you when you take a lie detector test. So I did, I had basically like electrodes, like an EEG. Huh?
00:02:45
Jeff Rogers
Strapped all over me, like head, chest, wrists, legs. um And then there's like a two part test right to test for a ha inattention and impulsivity. hmm.
00:03:00
Jeff Rogers
i don't know if you know this, but I scored really high on both of those, is like off the fucking charts. I don't believe you. So they like put you in this fucking room with like nothing to look at, but a stupid computer screen. Okay. And you're supposed to follow instructions. And I don't even remember what it was. But it does, it tests like your eyes, like you know, your car tells you when your eyes are off of the center. So it does, it tracks your eye movement, your head movement. If you're shaking your legs, if you're moving your wrists and stuff. um And so the doctor afterwards was like, okay, yeah, let's review some results. So she shows me these charts and they, they give you like a T chart and there's all these like dots ah and like clustered around this area. And then they show you another one. And there's like these dots in a perfect linear, like,
00:03:46
Jeff Rogers
like some scattered right but still unique right or uniform so i was like oh cool like those that looks good right and she's like yeah this is really good this is someone with mild adhd and i was like yeah wait is that me and she was like no and then she gave me my results and i was like oh it's so pretty it's all over the place and when i tell you it was like buckshot on that bitch day like everywhere i was like okay so what does this mean she's like well you're
00:04:17
Jeff Rogers
we gotta work on your meds. I was like, oh, okay. That's so crazy. That's wild. Yeah. Just to put all the electrodes over you. Yeah. yeah And it was, but you how do you like I had to sit in that room for like an hour. and then I had to like, again, follow instructions and sit still. The whole point is like, can you, no can you sit and, and like, you're holding this, like, you know, the thing that you push when you're taking a hearing test. It's like, yes, I heard it. Beep.
00:04:43
Jeff Rogers
Beep. Beep. Right. So it's basically sort of that kind of, um, But apparently if you have an impulsive tendency. You're just hitting the button over and over again. Yeah.
00:04:56
Jeff Rogers
So it tracks like when you click it versus when the actual like thing tells you to do it. And ah yeah. Calm down, Sam. Yeah. The last hearing test that I had to do was um I don't know, several years ago, but like i had to, I was put in the box, in the soundproof box with like four active duty people who are in their twenties.
Impact of ADHD on Communication Style
00:05:20
Jeff Rogers
Okay. And when we were done with the test, he looked at the first one. You did good. You did good. You did. He got to me and he said, yeah, okay. You did okay. was like, I'll take it. Oh, Hey, listen, I, I,
00:05:35
Jeff Rogers
i i I don't thrive on those tests. No, I don't either. get too anxious. I try to stop breathing. I'm like. Well, it's not fair. Okay. Why would we need to hear those pitches? Okay.
00:05:49
Jeff Rogers
Exactly. And I can't hear shit out my left ear. So like they put it on and when it does only the left ear, I'm like. They're like, did did you hear anything? I'm like, no. they're like How about now? I'm like, no.
00:06:02
Jeff Rogers
Squirrel. There's like no, there's no button pressing on the left side. oh man. Kim and I were having a conversation. here It's kind of just like this conversation now that I think about it. We were having a conversation and I said, Kim, that was like ADHD conversation right there. It was just like one topic to another topic.
00:06:20
Jeff Rogers
Made no sense. Listen, like I refer to it as efficient communication because you cover a lot of topics. And she said, yeah, it's kind of like what you and Sam sound like. said, is it? And now that I'm thinking about it, we've just talked about seven different topics.
00:06:34
Jeff Rogers
Did we? Maybe, maybe six, maybe eight. I don't know. Like I said, efficient communication. Thank you. Exactly. Bonnie almost killed me and Alicia the other day at work. Why? did She did you didn't tell you about that. Okay. So as we've discussed, my meds are not quite up to where they're supposed to be. Okay. So I hit a wall at work where like my meds are just completely worn off. And Alicia is also like wicked ADHD too. Right?
00:07:00
Jeff Rogers
So somehow we ended up sitting next to each other right at the charge desk. Bonnie was sitting in the charge seat and I was sitting at the computer next to MSA and Alicia was sitting at the end next to the tube station.
00:07:13
Jeff Rogers
I didn't even realize this was happening, but she and I were just going and going and going and going and going. At one point, Bonnie turns around and goes, I am done. You guys need to calm down. And we were like, what? She goes, you haven't stopped fucking talking in like an hour. And it's so fast and it's all over the place. And I don't even think you guys are responding to each other. You're just moving on. I was like, oh.
00:07:35
Jeff Rogers
She was like, you guys are gonna be separated. You can't sit together anymore. That's so what happens. Yeah. Sometimes I'll do that and then I'll be really aware but I just did that and I just stop talking because I'm like, eh, I sound like a crazy person. How do you get to that point where you're aware? Maybe it's too self-aware about it Maybe I'm like, um maybe I think I sound crazy, so I just stop talking.
00:07:59
Jeff Rogers
i don't think, I have to be honest, and don't let this get to your head, your big, bald, beautiful head. I don't think I would ever... Maybe I'm not a good judge of this, but I don't think I would ever put you in that category. Okay, good. But you know, but the things you tell yourself in your head, right? The things that you tell your yourself, that's me. I'm like, oh, I'm being a babbling idiot. Let's back off of this.
00:08:25
Jeff Rogers
Do you not ever... I'm hyper aware. I'm overly aware, maybe, of myself. Not anybody else. I'll join the conversation. You and me, we'll sit here and we'll ramble for 10 minutes. Okay.
00:08:38
Jeff Rogers
Yeah, no. i First, like I said, I don't know if I'm a good person to ask about that because I'm completely unaware of it because it's just baseline for me because it's constantly just what's going on in my brain. You want to keep it going?
00:08:51
Jeff Rogers
Sure.
Excitement for Scream Movie Franchise
00:08:52
Jeff Rogers
Give me a rule from the movie Scream. Don't have sex. Be gay. Never, ever say, I'll be right back.
00:09:03
Jeff Rogers
I'll be right back. Trust no one. Trust no one. Always suspect the love interest. Always suspect the love interest. um Don't drink and do drugs, obviously.
00:09:17
Jeff Rogers
um But do you have the updates for the, like how they make the franchise rules as the movie's gone? So that was in the sixth. We're doing this because tonight after we record this, we're going to go see the new Scream movie. Scream 7, bitches. I cannot wait. Let's go, Ghostface.
00:09:37
Jeff Rogers
Can't wait. do you think this is going to be the end? No. I say that about it every time. i mean, here's the thing though, is I kind of,
00:09:49
Jeff Rogers
i kind of hope that it is so that it doesn't like get to the bad point because right now there's still like entertaining movies, right? But some people will say that it's already reached the bad point. True. But I feel like personally, my opinion is, is like,
00:10:04
Jeff Rogers
when you get to a point where, I mean, this started in 96, right? We are far beyond that now. And you get to the point where the the core group of characters are kind of aging out of being able to do those roles anymore.
00:10:19
Jeff Rogers
And so... the only way to continue the franchise is to just do it without them. well and you have to kill them off. Exactly. So you'd have to kill them off. um But like, I just, I don't think that that's how this should end. I mean, come on. Prescott has made it this far. Like if they just kill her off or they kill Gail, like, you know, those are two rules that I added.
00:10:43
Jeff Rogers
b Gell Weathers or B Sidney Prescott. Stay close to them or stay stay far the fuck away from them. Yeah. Let's see.
00:10:55
Jeff Rogers
So the the franchise rules continue, right? So any sequels, the body count is higher and the death scenes are more elaborate and you should never assume the killer is dead, which we know because that's in our own person. They always come back. You have to shoot him in the head. Right. Yeah.
00:11:13
Jeff Rogers
So I, you know, i everyone who has listened to us for eons, right? um I made up, because we all love horror movies, I've made up my own list of horror movie rules just based on watching it. And it's like the shit that you scream at the, scream at the screen. screen What is that? Scream at the screen. Scream at the screen.
00:11:33
Jeff Rogers
Screen. Screen. Yeah. Okay. So like when you're watching the and you're like oh, go, don't do it. Right? So it's all those rules. So re-watching these screen movies preparing for tonight. I've added a few.
00:11:44
Jeff Rogers
ah And you know what? Maybe I'll post these so that people can actually have them. I'll post them somewhere so that you can have the whole list. I'm always adding to it, by the way. But these new rules are escaping through the garage door never fucking works. Never. Not even in the first one. Never.
00:12:03
Jeff Rogers
um if you have an incapacitated killer, fucking unmask them, obviously, but also make sure you kill them for real. Because I can't tell you how many times they're like, oh, he's down, he's not moving. And they don't pull the fucking mask off to see who's been trying to kill They never pull the mask off. They never do. or Ever. I mean, you're doing hand-to-hand combat and you're fucking fighting. Just pull the mask off.
00:12:24
Jeff Rogers
Okay. um Also remember that serial killers and then all those reborn serial killers, right, are super human, have super strength. So pick the right fucking weapon because you're never going to win in a fight. You're going to thrown across the room like you're a ragdoll, right?
00:12:38
Jeff Rogers
Valid? um Just don't answer the fucking phone. Okay? Don't. If it's not number, don't answer it. If you're not feeling it, don't answer it. If you're a alone in your house, don't answer it.
00:12:50
Jeff Rogers
Don't. Easy. Easy. um If you receive a cryptic or weird, maybe out of character text message from a friend or crush or lover, immediately call them to confirm that it is actually them and not the very obvious killer trying to trick you.
00:13:10
Jeff Rogers
If the killer's weapon of choice is a blade of some sort, don't brace the door with your full body because they're going to stab you through it. Yep. Screen five.
00:13:20
Jeff Rogers
Yeah. Poor Kate.
00:13:24
Jeff Rogers
Right through the post. Yeah, I got her. I mean, she got her. That was real. I loved it. But also, like, whoa. um I think those are my only new ones. to Stop stopping. Obviously, keep running. Yeah, and just make sure they're dead.
00:13:41
Jeff Rogers
So we love the Scream
Enduring Popularity of Scream Movies
00:13:42
Jeff Rogers
movies. And last night I was like reading an article about why we like Scream so much, right? And some of the reasons why we like it. The meta twist.
00:13:51
Jeff Rogers
The characters are horror fans themselves. They know the rules of the genre, which allows the film to poke fun at cliches while still being genuinely scary. Yeah.
00:14:02
Jeff Rogers
It mixes suspense, comedy, and murder mystery. It's like a good whodunit. We love a whodunit. Have you ever guessed right? Yes. In the Scream movies? No. I don't know. It's been so long since I've watched them for the first time.
00:14:19
Jeff Rogers
i don't know. i feel as though they typically do a good job yeah of like whoever you think it is. It's not... It's like they do, they do the good job of like building up that eerie one, but then they also have this trope that they have perpetuated where it's the person you think it is.
00:14:40
Jeff Rogers
And then that person dies, but obviously they don't actually die. And then they come back and they're killer. Right. So Billy in the first one. Right. And then, and what's your name in the sixth one, Quinn in the sixth one.
00:14:52
Jeff Rogers
um
00:14:54
Jeff Rogers
Yeah, and then Timothy Oliphant. can't even remember his real name in the or his name in the movie. can't either. I can't either. But he yeah, he was the accomplice for Mrs. Lemis.
00:15:05
Jeff Rogers
It says, um screaming can be a form of therapy. I know that. Helping to release pent-up stress. Watching a scary movie triggers a fight or flight response, adrenaline versus cortisol.
00:15:18
Jeff Rogers
Once the threat passes, we know we're safe. Our brains released dopamine and endorphins creating a natural high R rush. We always leave these movies feeling good. i will tell you though, I was finishing up, I think the fifth one,
00:15:32
Jeff Rogers
Or I was just starting the sixth one again and again. I've seen these. I know this, right? yeah But I was walking out of work, 3 a.m., m in the dark garage. It's got lights in it, but like it's mostly empty. And I'm watching the movie, and I'm like walking around looking behind me. and like I have one earpod in my AirPod in my hand because I'm like, oh I'm not going miss the creepy sounds.
00:15:55
Jeff Rogers
I would have loved to have been in that garage. scream Did you hear that? Yeah, I did. Okay. We ready? Let's do it to it. To do a show? Let's do it to it. Let's do a show.
00:16:10
Jeff Rogers
What kind of story are you telling today? um Murdery. Okay. Tell me when to stop. Stop.
00:16:18
Jeff Rogers
Ghana.
00:16:20
Jeff Rogers
Ghana, yeah. Felicia brought that back, right? Mm-hmm. ah No. Juliet. Juliet. Beautiful. Okay. um and just for those who are not regular listeners or this is your first time tuning in, this is about average for us. We talk, we ramble, we...
00:16:41
Jeff Rogers
say absolute nothing while saying a lot. um And then we flip a coin, which we have coins from all over the world that have been gifted to us or we have gotten ourselves. And that determines who reads first. So I don't know what Jeff's story is and he doesn't know what mine is.
00:17:00
Jeff Rogers
They're not connected. um We did um a really crazy one last week or the week before when you did MKUltra and I did Ruth Ellis. Yeah.
00:17:14
Jeff Rogers
And it's so different. Sometimes our stories are so different where like you you couldn't even plan it to be that different, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, for those people who are hoping that there's like a continuance or like we're coming off of each other's stories or anything like that. Sorry. Nope. um Every once in while you'll get a story where we both read together, but we do that on a rare basis.
00:17:37
Jeff Rogers
All right. So you... are going to be the star on the thingy with the eagles. okay And I'm gonna be the Scales of Justice, bitch.
00:17:51
Jeff Rogers
Also, for those of you who don't listen regularly, flipping the coin is a lot of anxiety for me, so. I'm not gonna say anything. Doing good.
00:18:01
Jeff Rogers
She dropped it in the floor.
00:18:05
Jeff Rogers
So that's you? you're an eagle. Oh. I'm the scales of justice. She's an eagle when she flies. I do fly like an eagle. Hey, Dolly. Okay, okay. So I'm just doing an old school true crime.
00:18:20
Jeff Rogers
We do love that here. Forensic Files wo gave me the idea. This was a really good show. Really good. Like classic forensic files. From the 90s. Okay. Okay. So I'm going to take you back to September of 1999. Do you remember?
00:18:38
Jeff Rogers
Yes. We're in Jericho, New York, Long Island. where I used to live, but not Jericho, Ronald Cohen and his family are moving out of their house that they've lived in.
00:18:50
Jeff Rogers
Oh, pause it. Sorry. No, it's okay. We got to have a drink. We do. What are you drinking? I don't know, but I fucking love this. It looks like it's straight out of the 80s or 70s. It's It's amazing. It does look like. fruit spritz.
00:19:05
Jeff Rogers
Slice. No, Slice for me, ginger ale. I look like I'm going go roller skating. Honestly. Roller skating. It does. It's like tab. Remember tab? Yes.
00:19:16
Jeff Rogers
I think they still make tab, don't they? Yeah, they do. Okay. Slice. Oh, it does look like the 80s. You're absolutely right. And everything was unhinged. Yes. Wait, are we not unhinged now? We're very unhinged.
00:19:31
Jeff Rogers
Okay. Cheers, Chris. Cheers, Chris. Let's slice it. Oh, it's perfect.
Discovery of Mummified Body in New York
00:19:37
Jeff Rogers
We're washing screen. Did you do that on purpose? Yes. What did I do? Slice.
00:19:42
Jeff Rogers
No. but ah I was like, what are you talking about? What's perfect? I don't know. Slice. Isn't it good? Yeah, that's good. Can you do your best ghost face voice?
00:19:56
Jeff Rogers
um Okay. What's your favorite scary movie? Ooh, not Ghostface, but good. Yeah, I can't do Ghostface. I feel like Ghostface is like a auto to computer. Yeah. yeah What's your scary movie? Yeah. Hello, Jeffrey.
00:20:10
Jeff Rogers
Hello, Sydney. Ooh, that was good. That was good. That was good. Hello, Sydney. What's your favorite scary movie? Drew Barrymore. Did we cheer squares? Did we do that? We did. Okay. Ooh, where'd we go?
00:20:23
Jeff Rogers
I'm so sorry. Take me back to Jericho. Okay, Jericho, New York in 1999. Ronald has lived at this house since 1990. So the past nine years, Ronald and his family have lived here at this beautiful little house, but they're selling it.
00:20:40
Jeff Rogers
And the new owner has like a couple of final requests. The main request was that Ronald remove this 55 gallon barrel that was like tucked away in a crawl space in the garage.
00:20:53
Jeff Rogers
Ronald agreed, so he hauled the 350-pound steel barrel out to the street to be picked up by the sanitation workers. Dead body. The barrel had been there since Cohen moved in. He honestly, like, didn't any—he just avoided it, right?
00:21:09
Jeff Rogers
The next day when Ronald went to the street, the barrel was still there with a note on it from the sanitation workers saying, hey, this thing is like too heavy. We can't take it. Sorry. Special special traus trash. Trash. Trash. Trash.
00:21:22
Jeff Rogers
Ronald decided to open it and see why it was so heavy. No. And to figure out what he was going to do with it. Because he had to get rid of it. That was the request of the new owner. Like he had to do something with it. This is going on my list. so Never open the barrel. When he popped open the barrel, he found...
00:21:38
Jeff Rogers
What did he not find? Rule number 10 from Crime Junkies. It's never a... my Mannequin. Never a mannequin. He found a hand. He he could see in this barrel a hand, and he could see a woman's shoe along with her purse. Now, there was also like a strange green liquid sludge stuff, plastic pellets, and a plastic green leaf.
00:22:00
Jeff Rogers
Ronald was like, oh shit. He immediately called the police. The body inside the barrel was mummified because the barrel had been sealed, right?
00:22:11
Jeff Rogers
Within the green sludge. So now- That makes sense that it's been in the house for nine years and that's thinking up to high hell. Well, nine years is generous. So the autopsy showed that the woman was approximately 20 to 30 years old.
00:22:23
Jeff Rogers
And more than likely, she had died about 30 years before this. Fuck! all Specifically, she died of massive blunt force trauma to the head. So the autoy autoy the autopsy determined she was either white or Hispanic.
00:22:37
Jeff Rogers
They also found, along with Vadi, that she had dental work done, and according to the medical examiner, said he said this kind of dental work is done in South America, Central or South America.
00:22:48
Jeff Rogers
So that kind of places her, right? Okay. They found a pocketbook that contained an address, some jewelry, and a locket that had two Patrice, love from Uncle Paul, engraved on it.
00:23:01
Jeff Rogers
But they also found out that the woman in the barrel was pregnant, like almost nine months pregnant. Wow. The pages in the address book were not blank, but the ink had faded away so much that it looked blank.
00:23:14
Jeff Rogers
So they sent the address book to the forensics lab to be dried and examined using a video spectral comparator. This manipulates the light to enhance the writing on the page. That's an FBI shit right there. It is, but it's probably so outdated. This is in 99. Can you imagine?
00:23:32
Jeff Rogers
um Writing that is no longer visible to the human eye. This thing can bring out the writing. so cool. So while this is going on, the Nassau County homicide investigators were busy trying to find out more about the barrel.
00:23:44
Jeff Rogers
So they were looking up and talking also to the previous homeowners. They found out that the home was built in 1957. There were four owners prior to Richard Cohen. The Ebons were two of the owners. They said they rolled it into the corner of the crawl space and forgot all about it.
00:24:00
Jeff Rogers
Then the Ebons mentioned... the man that owned the house before them. His name was Howard Elkins. And Howard Elkins was the owner in the 60s. He said he added this crawl space on in the 60s that the drum was found in. So found in 99,
00:24:19
Jeff Rogers
Likely died 30 years before. Okay. So in the 60s, okay. Late 60s, probably. So they asked Mr. Elkins um if he had ever been into the crawl space, and he said, what for?
00:24:30
Jeff Rogers
and he didn't remember the name of the contractor that did the work for him, but he's the one that added it on. So on the drum itself, there was a serial number. Police use this serial number to track down the drum's or origin to a chemical company in Linden, New Jersey.
00:24:47
Jeff Rogers
From that, the investigators learned that the metal drum was made in March of 1963, and it was used for holding paint and plastic pigments. The company that had owned the drum was also able to identify the green substance as halcyon green.
00:25:02
Jeff Rogers
That's the color used as a dye for concrete and plastics, including plastic plants and leaves. I do love a good plastic plant. Ew, I hate them. I can't keep a real one alive. We've had this conversation.
00:25:15
Jeff Rogers
Plastic, flowers, and plants to me. Not flowers, but like I just want to get like a potted plant that's going to look like it's a cheesy one. It's not like a fucking 1967 one.
00:25:29
Jeff Rogers
Yeah, no. I want one of these newfangled ones that looks like it's alive, but you have to actually touch it to figure it out, you know? Oh, yeah, that's fair. I want one of those. Okay, so where was that? Sorry. Halcyon Green, the color that's used for the concrete, the plastics, the plants, and the leaves, like the leaf found in the drum. And the company also made pellets, and these pellets were used to make plastic plants.
00:25:50
Jeff Rogers
So weve we know where the drum came from or where the barrel came from. And now we know that it's got the green why there's stuff dye in it. yeah Investigators are able to determine that the death or the murder of the woman was between 63 and 72. That's a really wide range.
00:26:04
Jeff Rogers
some really right right wide range I don't think so. I mean, if it's in the late nineties and they can determine like, yeah yeah there's a 10 year gap. Yeah.
00:26:17
Jeff Rogers
Um, the time that Mr. Elkins owned the home. So the police also learned that Elkins was part owner of Melrose plastics, a company that made fake flowers and fake plants.
00:26:31
Jeff Rogers
He sold his part of the business in 72 and moved to Boca Raton, Florida. It's definitely him. Hmm. Now, then the Nassau County investigators received an anonymous phone call from somebody who had seen this on the news. The caller said that the dye was used at Melrose and that the owner, Mr. Elkins, was having an affair with a Hispanic woman that worked at the factory.
00:26:54
Jeff Rogers
In September of 1999, the detective made his way to detectives, made their way down to Boca Raton to question Mr. Elkins in his retirement home. The cops described Elkins as very comfortable with himself.
00:27:06
Jeff Rogers
Very, he could look you in the eye and tell you anything you wanted to hear. so he was cocky. He was very cocky. And he could look you in the eye and say, I don't have any knowledge of this. Like, flat, right? Elkins admitted to having an affair with a woman. He couldn't describe her, and he couldn't remember her name.
00:27:26
Jeff Rogers
And the investigators asked mr Mr. Elkins if they could swab his mouth for DNA, but he declined. Then Elkins got a phone call from his wife and he was like, you guys have to go. And he kicked them out.
00:27:38
Jeff Rogers
Before the investigators left, Detective Edwards said, Mr. Elkins, we're going to be back tomorrow. We're going to have the warrant. And we know you had something to do with this and we will figure this out. I'll see you tomorrow.
00:27:51
Jeff Rogers
Mr. Elkins, well, Mr. Detective Edwards went straight to the West Palm Beach County DA to get a warrant for the DNA. At the same time, Mr. Elkins went to Walmart, bought a gun, bought some bullets for the gun, went back to his neighbor's car, didn't even go to his car, went back home and then went over to his neighbor's car, shot himself in the head and killed himself in the backseat of his neighbor's car.
00:28:20
Jeff Rogers
That's rude. So fucking rude. That's really rude. um Detective Edwards said he didn't have a lot of options. If he was arrested, he was in his late 70s. What was he going to do? Spend the rest of his life in prison for a crime that had happened 30 years before. So Elkins was thinking about his options, right?
00:28:39
Jeff Rogers
Prison. So he took the coward's way out. He took the coward's way out. Sounds about right. ah Edward said, I don't want to know what went on through his mind, but obviously it was something that he didn't want to face up to. DNA was then collected from Elkin's remains, and even though the fetus had deteriorated a lot over the last 30 years, scientists were able to prove positive paternity with a 99.3% accuracy.
00:29:04
Jeff Rogers
But police still didn't know the identity of the woman, even though they knew the murderer and that the murderer was the father of the baby. Now, though, scientists were starting to gather names and addresses from the a book that they found in the woman's purse.
00:29:17
Jeff Rogers
They even found a message that said, quote, don't be mad. I told the truth. And so to the detectives, that kind of gave them there was a motive. So which did she work at the factory? I forget. Or was it just something? She did So in the 60s, they employed a lot of immigrants in that factory, specifically women, to do the line work.
00:29:41
Jeff Rogers
Yeah, because her labor is obviously too hard for men. But um so they're going through this address book and they they did find Don't Be Mad, I Told the Truth.
00:29:52
Jeff Rogers
And there were a lot of phone numbers that they found in the address book, but people had moved. People didn't have the same number that they had in the 60s. And the phone numbers had changed except for one, a lady named Kathy.
00:30:03
Jeff Rogers
Police reached out to Kathy and she knew who the woman was immediately. Kathy had been best friends with Raina Marroquin before her disappearance. And Kathy is the one that filed the report of the disappearance with the police.
00:30:17
Jeff Rogers
Raina had moved to New York from San Martin, El Salvador in 1966. Her marriage in El Salvador had fallen apart because her husband in El Salvador had gotten another woman pregnant.
00:30:28
Jeff Rogers
Before she left, she told her mom that she was, quote, going to be someone one day. When she got to New York, she was staying at a Catholic home for single women, and she got the job at Melrose Plastics. She studied fashion at the high school of fashion industries, and she also was taking a class to become a citizen, and she was taking a class to learn English.
00:30:50
Jeff Rogers
Kathy was Reyna's English teacher. She said Reyna was, quote, full of life and eager to learn. Raina started acting bizarre in the months leading up to her disappearance, according to Kathy. Then Raina admitted to Kathy that she was pregnant. She wouldn't name the father, though.
00:31:06
Jeff Rogers
Raina did tell Kathy that the man was that the man that got her pregnant... he was married with kids. And he did set her up with an apartment. This man set her up with an apartment in New Jersey and a doctor.
00:31:22
Jeff Rogers
But Raina was under the illusion that he would marry her someday. Raina then called the man's wife and told her that she was pregnant with her husband's baby Then Raina panicked and called Kathy to tell Kathy what she had done. Raina even told Kathy that she feared he was going to kill her.
00:31:40
Jeff Rogers
So Kathy went over to her apartment and Raina wasn't there. The door was open. The food on the stove was warm and it was winter, but Raina's boots, coat and gloves were all still there.
00:31:51
Jeff Rogers
Oh, Kathy waited several hours for Raina to return, like four hours, and when she did not come, she went to the police. She filed the report. The police told Kathy to come back, and Raina probably ran off with the boyfriend. Of course. They told Kathy to come back in four to five days if Raina still wasn't back. 1969 was the last time that anyone saw Raina alive.
00:32:16
Jeff Rogers
Detectives believe that Elkins called Raina and lured her to the factory. He then beat her in the head and killed her. Took the body back to his house, put the body in the barrel with the liquids and the pellets.
00:32:29
Jeff Rogers
Detectives believe that after he put her in there, he made the barrel so heavy with the pellets and the the coloring so he could take her and put her on the boat and drop her in the ocean and it would sink.
00:32:43
Jeff Rogers
Then he couldn't pick it up because it was 350 pounds. Dumbass. So he rolled the barrel into the crawl space where it remained until 1999.
00:32:54
Jeff Rogers
So they knew who she is now. And there is this one amazing reporter named Oscar Corral. He worked for the daily the Daily News. He covered the case and took it upon himself to fly to San Martin, El Salvador to tell Reyna's family what happened to her.
00:33:10
Jeff Rogers
And Reina's mom was still alive. She's 95 years old. Reina wrote often at first according to the family and then suddenly it stopped and they just assumed that they would never know what happened to Reina. Reina's mom had these dreams about Reina being stuck in a barrel.
00:33:28
Jeff Rogers
um That's just so in insulting. Mom's intuition. Yeah, absolutely. But like, what'd you do to that? That was a human being, you know? and a child. Yes. Nine months pregnant. And a baby, yeah.
00:33:44
Jeff Rogers
Reina's body was then flown back to El Salvador door for burial. Her mom passed away one month after the funeral. They're now buried beside each other. Her sister Dora said, quote, all we wanted was to bring her body back. And my mother, who is 95 years old, will finally be able to put her daughter to rest. My sister is with us. We will never forget her.
00:34:05
Jeff Rogers
And that is the story of the murder of Reina Madokin.
00:34:09
Jeff Rogers
Fuck that coward. Fuck that coward. chose the Think about what he lived with. Cool, calm, and collected. And was like, I'm never going to caught. It's going be fine. He left the fucking barrel in the house.
00:34:25
Jeff Rogers
That's... That's... That's insane. It's arrogance.
00:34:31
Jeff Rogers
What What dick.
00:34:33
Jeff Rogers
okay that's it well mine's not
00:34:39
Jeff Rogers
mine's also an old story but there's a twist to it i'm still stuck on the fact that i have slice and we're going to see it oh my god and you didn't do it on purpose i love it i got bought these last week it's pretty perfect okay jeffrey okay it's amy Oh, weird. Interesting. ah In 2024, mysterious cold case murder from the Maryland countryside unraveled threads that crossed hundreds of miles, multiple states and decades of lost time for one family.
00:35:13
Jeff Rogers
The dedication and motivation of a single veteran detective brought about an unbelievable and entirely unexpected sense of closure for the department's oldest cold case homicide. In July 1971, the half-naked body of a woman was found in a sprawling field by two boys who were riding dirt bikes through rural Howard County, Maryland, which is just a hop, skip, and a jump away from my home.
00:35:38
Jeff Rogers
Upon closer look, the boys realized that she was actually alive. She was unconscious, unresponsive, and had agonal breathing, which to us, we know that's all bad signs, right? But she's still out of pulse.
00:35:50
Jeff Rogers
Wow. Wow. Her hair and fingers fingernails were cracked and dirty. She was sunburned, indicating that she had been out in the field for a decent amount of time. Her clothing consisted of just bra and a blouse.
00:36:02
Jeff Rogers
Nearby in the field, the police found her underwear and a slip. There was no other sign of clothing, belongings, identification, or shoes found at the time. There at the time, again, was no such thing as a rape kit.
00:36:14
Jeff Rogers
So police and medical staff were not trained to collect trace evidence of sexual assault. It was assumed that she had been raped based on the condition in which she was found. With not much to go on or any idea of like where to start in identifying her or determining how she had ended up in such a state, her clothing was shipped off to the FBI crime lab for analysis.
00:36:34
Jeff Rogers
The FBI returned the evidence sometime later with a report that semen had been found on the removed slip. Unfortunately, because we know from many episodes on this show, even the concept of DNA analysis was like two decades away from being included investigations.
00:36:50
Jeff Rogers
The woman was rushed to the hospital in Baltimore. Doctors noted bruising covering her body, indicating a violent assault. Further testing showed that she had also suffered a massive ischemic stroke and then a rebound hemorrhage as well. So she had a clot in her brain. They think that had been caused by a blow to the neck. And then she ended up with a head bleed.
00:37:13
Jeff Rogers
She underwent emergency brain surgery, and then she suffered countless and repetitive medical complications from the assault and the procedures. She remained in a coma in the hospital for 54 days before dying, dying still unidentified.
00:37:26
Jeff Rogers
After the autopsy was performed, her death was declared a homicide. Her body was taken to the state anatomy board at the University of Maryland Medical School, where donated cadavers and unclaimed bodies were sent for disposal and or science.
00:37:41
Jeff Rogers
um As far as anyone can tell, her cremated remains were poured into an unmarked hole in the memorial field on the grounds of the state mental hospital. the but The burial yard is home to countless unclaimed and identified remains, and it spans three very peaceful acres covered in beautiful trees.
00:37:58
Jeff Rogers
So there beneath the stone monument commemorating the lost and forgotten dead, her remains still alive. In 2024, a cold case detective with Howard County Police, Wade Zufall, decided to take another look at some of these old cases and picked this one. He wanted to see if modern DNA and genealogy advances could offer any kind of information or leads.
00:38:20
Jeff Rogers
Zufall had been a police officer for 24 years at this point, and he was actually a teacher in the forensic science department at Loyola. He had no idea what kind of adventure he was beginning and how it would end.
Jane Doe Identification and Sibling Reunion
00:38:32
Jeff Rogers
He described it as, quote, one of those cases I'm going to remember for the rest of my life. Prior to 2019, when Zufall basically became the entire cold case unit, the county actually employed retired detectives to peruse cold cases. And as it turns out, retired detective Nick DiCarlo had pulled the 1971 Jane Doe case out in 2014.
00:38:55
Jeff Rogers
He had managed to contact the medical examiner's office who had done her autopsy. He wanted to know if there was anything remaining from her autopsy 43 years prior. Miraculously, her liver, lungs, and kidneys had all been chemically preserved and stuck in cold storage.
00:39:11
Jeff Rogers
He obtained the histology samples and put them into the police evidence refrigerator, hoping that even though technology didn't exist at that time that could be used to identify anything that had been chemically altered, maybe one day that would change.
00:39:25
Jeff Rogers
So by the time Zufall picks up the case in 2020, the histology slides were his only hope because any other evidence, the blouse, the bra, the semen-stained slip, and her underwear had gone missing.
00:39:38
Jeff Rogers
In the fall of 2024, Zufall's hope and patience paid off. Othram, a private lab in Houston, reached out to him and told him that the technology finally existed to be able to extract DNA from chemically preserved samples.
00:39:53
Jeff Rogers
So without hesitating, he shipped the samples off and he was rewarded with a genetic profile for Jane Doe. Using commercially available ancestry databases, Othram scientists were able to put together distant relations on a family tree dating all the way back to the 19th century.
00:40:08
Jeff Rogers
This genealogy resulted in Zufal making an impossible call to a man out in Ohio more than a half a century after her body was found. so we're going to backtrack here. The whole story begins in like steel coal country in Southwest Pennsylvania in 1944 when Mildred Marie Sharkey was born.
00:40:28
Jeff Rogers
Two years later, her but her parents had another child and Charles Chuck Sharkey was now the middle child as Judith joined the family just one year later. By the end of that decade, though, parents Gabriel and Sarah had then lost three children in infancy. Their marriage dissolved and the stress and trauma just took its toll.
00:40:48
Jeff Rogers
Marie, Chuck, and Judith were sent to a Catholic orphanage in Ohio called Parmadale Children's Village. The orphanage was home to 400 plus children. All of them came from different backgrounds and not all were actually orphans like the Sharkey children.
00:41:04
Jeff Rogers
Chuck referred to himself as a bad kid at the time. He acknowledged that he was a troublemaker and he had no fond memories of his time at Parmadale because the Sisters of Charity, the nuns who ran the place, did not hesitate to punish him for any actual and or perceived transgressions.
00:41:21
Jeff Rogers
Marie was a good girl and although she wasn't punished like Chuck was, she didn't have any fond memories either. Shortly after their arrival at Parmedale, both Chuck and Marie believed that Judith was adopted, and they kind of just forgot all about her. She was their younger sister, she wasn't really involved with them, and they also forgot about their parents.
00:41:39
Jeff Rogers
Chuck and Marie were sent to a foster home where they both recalled being poorly clothed, ill-fed, and constantly put to chores. "'I still have scars on my back from where they beat us,' said Marie." The pair collectively remembers sneaking out of the house every night to sleep under overturned barrels in the nearby woods, snuggled close together to provide a brief safety from the cruelty of their foster family. Wow.
00:42:05
Jeff Rogers
It didn't take long for Chuck to run away. Marie was too afraid to follow him, and she remained behind. He did come back briefly, and then both were sent back to the children's village. During their time at Parmadale and the foster home, the kids could only ever count on each other, and they were inseparable.
00:42:19
Jeff Rogers
In 1958, Marie aged out of the orphanage and a social worker helped her get an after school job and an apartment. Chuck continued to run away from the orphanage repeatedly. And then when he turned 15, the nun stopped looking for him.
00:42:33
Jeff Rogers
He quit school, found a cheap apartment and he got a job on a loading dock and he would visit Marie in her apartment. In 1964, Marie graduated high school and Chuck joined the army.
00:42:44
Jeff Rogers
Her only keepsake from childhood was a black and white headshot of Chuck smiling. His was a photo of her in her cap and gown for graduation. After returning from duty in Vietnam, where he was a combat helicopter pilot, Chuck suffered from undiagnosed and at the time unacknowledged severe PTSD, which resulted in him basically repressing and blacking out all of his past.
00:43:08
Jeff Rogers
Marie got married, she and her husband moved far, far from Ohio, and they started a family. By 1971, when the unidentified woman was found in the field, the Sharkey children were in their 20s, spread far and wide.
00:43:21
Jeff Rogers
um Judith's whereabouts still unknown and not really a concern of Marie or Chuck. Howard County police released a sketch of the woman, checked her fingerprints against whatever scant databases they had, and they put out requests for information for any missing persons matching her description.
00:43:39
Jeff Rogers
Female, white, 40s, approximately five feet tall, piercing blue eyes, and graying light brown hair. The details, articles, and requests returned no leads, so she was still a Jane Doe.
00:43:51
Jeff Rogers
While Chuck continued to struggle after his return from war, he never went looking for Marie. He had her graduation photo still, but he didn't really remember that she was his sister. she He remembered her fondly and he remembered that they were close, but he couldn't even remember her name.
00:44:07
Jeff Rogers
Only one time in the early 70s, Chuck went looking for answers. to his repressed and forgotten past. He showed up at Parma Dale looking for any records of him. The priest who greeted him told him that there was a tragic fire and all records had been destroyed.
00:44:22
Jeff Rogers
After this, Chuck kind of stopped caring. He never went looking again and he didn't really want to know about his past. He decided to start fresh. So the troublemaker and the destined to be criminal young boy obtained his GED and he became a contractor.
00:44:38
Jeff Rogers
He was very successful and well liked. He worked really hard and made a life for himself. He kept busy with job with jobs until his retirement in 2010. He does recall that although he didn't care to find out, he never stopped asking himself, where the heck did I come from and who am I?
00:44:53
Jeff Rogers
Imagine not knowing that. But he had nothing but his name and brief memories. And then a few photos of a smiling girl and a cap a graduation cap and gown. 2004, Chuck married Linda. He found out his parents' name when names when he retrieved his baptismal certificate so that he could have the Catholic marriage.
00:45:13
Jeff Rogers
But it didn't really mean anything to him. He didn't care. he said, okay, cool. That's my parents'. um They moved into a home in Mentor, Ohio. was a quiet neighborhood. Again, they were well-liked.
00:45:26
Jeff Rogers
Meanwhile, throughout all these years, Marie always remembered the boy from her photos, and she knew it was her brother, Chuck. Unfortunately, she had no idea how to start looking for him. So she and her husband moved around the upper Midwest with their children until their divorce in the late 80s.
00:45:41
Jeff Rogers
She ran a daycare for 28 years. She then worked in the food service industry and then she worked with disabled adults. And then she finally settled as a receptionist at a senior center in Springfield, Illinois. Her daughters recalled that even though she tried to move on and accept her life without Chuck, they always knew that she feltel felt a piece of her soul was missing.
00:45:59
Jeff Rogers
She talked about him all the time when the girls were growing up and they knew that she blamed herself for their separation. For years, the daughters tried everything they're proud to find him. They searched libraries, phone books from all across the country, and eventually, as the internet came about, they started searching that as well.
00:46:13
Jeff Rogers
They sent letters to every single listed or identified Charles Sharkey, but they never heard back from anyone. And so the years continued without any improvement or information until a phone call to a man 600 miles away changed everything.
00:46:30
Jeff Rogers
Chuck start Sharkey received a very odd phone call in the late fall of 2024. He thought it was a scam, so he hung up on the caller twice. On the third call, he finally allowed the man to speak.
00:46:41
Jeff Rogers
It was Detective Wade Zufall from a county a couple of states away that Chuck had never heard of. Zufall claimed he had found DNA that linked him distantly to a Jane Doe in a cold case, so he asked Chuck if he had any information on a female relative who had gone missing in the nineteen seventy s And Chuck explained that he knew nothing of his original family because he was brought up in the orphanage.
00:47:05
Jeff Rogers
But he said, sure, I'll provide a saliva sample. Why not? Months later in June 2025, Zufal got an urgent call from the Elthram lab that Charles Chuck Sharkey was not a distant relative of Jando at all.
00:47:19
Jeff Rogers
He was her son. Oh, Zufall dove into more research and found records of a four-year-old Charles and his two sisters in the 1950 census near Pittsburgh. They were the children of Gabriel and Sarah Bell Sharkey.
00:47:32
Jeff Rogers
Jane Doe was finally identified. Another phone call to Chuck to tell him that they had found his mom. He wasn't really emotional about it. he was kind of shocked. Again, he had no relationship with her, but it was an impressive shock.
00:47:50
Jeff Rogers
So the next next task was tracking down the two daughters. And so it took some time, but obviously Zufall wasn't giving up on finding Mildred. He eventually identified her because he found out she was living under her middle name, Marie, and she had been married.
00:48:04
Jeff Rogers
So her last name was changed. In July 2025, Zufall found Marie in Illinois and told her over the phone about her mother. Again, she wasn't really fazed. And then he said that he had told her brother Chuck. Marie burst into tears at the disbelief and relief that she finally knew that her brother was alive and she never forgot him and never stopped loving him.
00:48:27
Jeff Rogers
And somebody knew where he was and how to contact him. So on July 2025, she sent text she sent a text to him Hi, Charles. This is your sister, Mildred Sharkey. Marie is my name now.
00:48:39
Jeff Rogers
I would like to call you. Can you text me a good time to do so that we can talk? Over the following months, the siblings reconnected through continued text messages and frequent FaceTiming.
00:48:50
Jeff Rogers
Chuck began to recover some of his repressed memories and was able to piece together bits of his past. Marie, 81, and 80, Both have their own medical conditions and complications that cause them to feel uncomfortable with the idea of flying. So instead of just being able to hop on a plane and either go to Ohio or Illinois, they had to just continue chatting over the phone and make an actual plan to meet up in mid-October.
00:49:14
Jeff Rogers
Marie's daughters decided without hesitation to drive her 550 miles to Chuck's home back in Ohio. In the intervening months between reconnecting Marie and Chuck and then when they were to meet in person, Zufal wanted to finish this out and find Judith for them as well.
00:49:31
Jeff Rogers
As he searched and continuously found very little information about her, he stumbled across a very old classified ad in a newspaper archive. It read, quote,
00:49:42
Jeff Rogers
Anyone knowing the whereabouts of Mildred Marie Sharkey or Charles Leroy Sharkey, please contact Judith Ann Sharkey Johnston. Provided a phone number and a timeframe.
00:49:53
Jeff Rogers
The ad had run for a week in April of 1975 in the Cleveland Plain Dealer. The phone number traced back to a New Orleans diner that had long since closed.
00:50:05
Jeff Rogers
However, Zufal was not deterred. He found that Judith had been married and become Judith Sanchez. Tragically and unfortunately, she had passed away from a heart condition at the age of 72 in 2020. As she had no children and had been a widow, a cold case detective from Louisiana provided Zufal with information that led him to believe her unclaimed body had been cremated and her ashes disposed of in a pauper's field, never having been reunited with the siblings that she had put an ad out for. Yeah.
00:50:35
Jeff Rogers
Still determined to do all he could to reunite the full family, Zufall reached out to the Louisiana coroner's office in September 2025 to try and find out more specifically and with more certainty where her ashes were buried.
00:50:47
Jeff Rogers
The coroner's response was shocking. She said, according to my records, she's still here. She's still on a shelf. Zufall paid $100 personally to have her ashes shipped directly to Chuck's house so that she would be there for the October reunion.
00:51:03
Jeff Rogers
On October 19th, 2025, siblings Charles, Chuck Sharkey, and Mildred Marie Cantwell, along with Marie's three daughters and Chuck's wife, reunited while Judith's remains sat perched beside them. Which is creepy. Sweet, but weird and sad at the same time.
00:51:19
Jeff Rogers
Nearly 70 years after being separated by war, loss, fate, and trauma. That's crazy. After decades of searching for him, Marie finally had her baby brother back, and although he hadn't necessarily been searching, he had finally found his family who already loved him and had known of him for years.
00:51:35
Jeff Rogers
The reunion was tearful and happy and full of an overwhelming peace, and unable to resist the pull, Detective Wade Zufault was present to share in the moments in the days following their initial reunion. Chuck got to meet his now adult nieces, and as Marie watched on, she said, I'll never lose him again.
00:51:50
Jeff Rogers
The case of the 1971 homicide of Sarah Sharkey remains unsolved. There's no trail to follow that explains her presence in that remote part of Maryland. And records indicate that Gabriel Sharkey lived in Louisiana near where his youngest child ended up.
00:52:03
Jeff Rogers
How or if he ever found her or if they had any kind of relationship is unclear. Although there there is sadness in the unsolved and the unanswered questions, Wade Zufall gave the surviving members of the Sharkey line a second chance. Wow.
00:52:17
Jeff Rogers
Good one. That was good. Yeah. This was the one that I found in the Washington Post randomly as I was reading the actual newspaper, which is apparently a weird thing to do. But, yeah. You were reading a newspaper? Yeah. Everyone keeps saying that's weird. It's a real newspaper.
00:52:35
Jeff Rogers
comes every Sunday. To you? Well, yeah. Huh. I love that. Yeah. And it's from Howard. I mean, still, it's kind of crazy, though, because, like, obviously the case itself was Sarah Sharkey's body, right? But...
00:52:50
Jeff Rogers
like She's in Howard County, Maryland. That's like yeah my home-ish, you know? It's crazy. Ooh, yeah. That was good. That's crazy. Yeah, so many just states involved and movement and like, yeah.
00:53:05
Jeff Rogers
But the investigators, our stories had some similarities. Yes. The investigators just did such good. Dedicated, motivated. what ah if you The follow-through, mean, that probably is so rewarding, you know?
00:53:20
Jeff Rogers
I mean, he was quoted saying something about like, in one of his lectures, to for his forensic classes, like he was talking about how to be a cold case detective, you got to understand that there's going to be a whole lot of watching and waiting and a whole lot of non-answers. And like you, you have to be patient and you have to like puzzles. Yeah.
00:53:41
Jeff Rogers
I couldn't do it. In my story to be the forensic person using the, comparator this spectral comparator whatever that thing is it sounds like something out of star wars and then you have a blank page and then suddenly you can make the words from 30 years earlier appear on the page and then you have the sentence don't be mad i told the truth which kind of broke the thing open yeah crazy good stories true crime true crime true crime history and a comedy of errors Fuck yeah.
00:54:16
Jeff Rogers
Cheers to that us. that. Let's go watch a scary movie. Let's do this. Remember to rate us and review us. Leave us five stars because we're fucking fantastic. um And we are here for a good time. Not a long time.
00:54:31
Jeff Rogers
Bye, Sydney.