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103 – Killing Fields
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Sam shares the haunting story of the Texas Killing Fields, a stretch of land between Houston and Galveston tied to decades of disappearances and murders of young women.
Sam also dives into the lingering fear, failures in investigations, and the devastating human toll left behind by these crimes. This is a story about victims too often forgotten—and the relentless pursuit of justice decades later.
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Sources
- Crime + Investigation – The Murder of Krystal Jean Baker
https://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/articles/murder-krystal-jean-baker - Galveston Daily News – Smith Guilty in Murder of Krystal Jean Baker
https://www.galvnews.com/news/smith-guilty-in-murder-of-krystal-jean-baker/article_5275f6ce-7305-56d1-9191-ccc83cd42de3.html - Rosewood, Jack. The True Crime Books Collection
- FBI – Seeking Information in Unsolved Killing Fields Murders
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/seeking-information-in-unsolved-killing-fields-murders-091819 - The Guardian – Laura Miller and the Texas Killing Fields
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/may/12/laura-miller-texas-killing-fields - FOX 26 Houston – Texas Killing Fields Suspect Facing New Charges
https://www.fox26houston.com/news/texas-killing-fields-suspect-facing-new-charges - Criminology Podcast – The Texas Killing Fields Part 1
- ABC13 – Laura Smither’s Disappearance
https://abc13.com/post/23-years-ago-today-laura-smithers-disappearance/1272189/ - ABC13 – William Reece Court Appearance
https://abc13.com/post/william-reece-guilty-plea-court-appearance-texas-serial-killer/12003895/
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Transcript
Jeff's Alabama Trip
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to do it. This is a... Let's let loose Sam. This is an 8.2%. Hi, Sam. Jeff.
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hi sam hi
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Welcome to the Jeff and Sam show, I'm Jeff. And I'm Sam. Oh my god, you're still Sam. I am. Welcome home. Thank you. You deserted me for a whole week. ah Yes, I did. And weirdly, I just i worked so many days.
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yeah That it like made it more pronounced. Because every time someone sees me, they're like, where's Jeff? I'm like, I don't know. He's gone. he left me. He left me. ah Yeah, I went down to Alabama.
00:00:59
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ah what? For my... nephew's graduation from high school and it was so cool to watch I mean very proud of him extremely proud of him I sent you the video of him getting that thing that Kim gave him yeah was such a beautiful when I sent you the message it said I'm not crying you're crying I was crying too I was too I was too was so sweet.
00:01:26
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He was. Yeah, it was a really fun experience. Proud of him. ah Really proud. um But then you watch all of the other students walk through and get their diploma. And there was just so many personalities. it was so much fun to watch. That was a big school.
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And one of the young men who got the one of the largest round of like applause and screams from his classmates was this young gay man, i assume. and he his like skin was flawless, okay?
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Flawless. And he was full of life and energy and happiness. And as he passed all of the teacher's You could tell that people were drawn to his energy because every one of the teachers were like screaming for him. you know feel like connected to this guy? Because that's the same as you. I loved him.
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Loved him. he and I asked my nephew, who was what was his name? Immediately, my nephew knew. oh yeah. that's um And that was a class of like 400 students.
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That's a lot of kids. But immediately, he was like, oh yeah. that's And he said his name, and I can't remember his name. Hold on, Bob. Bob. That was Bob. That was Bob. That was Bob. Yeah, so that's what I did. And then what else did I do? It was honestly, rained. We had a little bit of a tornado warning at one point. see any? Because you didn't send me pictures or videos. I did not. No, so it turned out to be only an EF0. Yeah, that's nothing for there.
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You know, but we were the first on the porch because we are rednecks from Alabama. As soon as all of our phones went off, we were like little like little prairie dogs coming out. As soon as the phones went off, we were like, huh, shall we go outside where there's a tornado? Did you actually verbalize this outside or did you all just pack up and go? No, we all just packed up and went. it was Right outside. Yeah. I love that. Just to be all, we were all disappointed. we were like, those are just clouds. Like, what is this? You call this a tornado warning? This is not tornado warning. This a tornado warning.
Storm Chasing and Tornadoes
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ah Where's the funnel?
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Right. Oh, my God. i watched a documentary while I was down there. oh Lord. caught Speaking of funnel, called The Twister Caught in the Storm. Okay.
00:03:42
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It's about the Joplin, Missouri yeah tornado. And it's about, so there was a group of storm chasers, which, oh my God, I would love to be a storm chaser. I need you to meet this girl that I used to work, girl, woman, this woman that I used to work with.
00:03:55
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Because first of all, she is a former dancer, like dance crew for Britney Spears. Shut up. Forever storm chaser, ER nurse. Like, she goes all the fuck over the place. Like, she is the most, and she's this tiny little thing. And honestly, Heather, if you ever listen to this, just remember that I will never forget you because of all you. want to that.
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i want to do that Let's fucking do it. So this this group or this documentary was, um there was a a storm chasing group that was featured in this documentary because they recorded the whole thing.
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And at one point, like they were in the tornado, like in it, in it. And they were, all of them said, it was so crazy because you knew that you were in the eye of the storm because when you looked up, you could see blue skies. Yeah.
00:04:52
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And then the woman, one of her friends on the right, he was starting to lift off, so she held him. The other one on the left started to lift off. She held him. Were they not belted? I don't know. Why are they not wearing seatbelts? No, they weren't. I don't think they were in a car. oh they were standing it? think they ran for, I don't know, honestly. It's so good, though. Okay. It's a good one to watch. Okay.
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Yeah. I will watch that. I will watch that. I mean, Twister, the movie, the... Dramatized version. Helen's best. One of my faves. Twisters. Helen Hunt.
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Great. I wish Helen had come back, but you know. oh what was his name? um Pretty Boy. Bill.
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The only thing that's coming to mind right now is Bill Nye the Science Guy, and I know that that's not him. It ain't I know. Somebody's. Bill Paxton. Oh my God. oh He was so handsome. Helen was my girl, Helen was. Listen, the way she tied that. Yeah.
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That button down around her waist. Yeah. I'm about that life. What a good movie that was. Oh, so good. Did you see the second one? Yeah. Yeah. It was good. Ashley, I always saw. She's like, I can't take this guy seriously. The the the guy that tate plays the male lead, I guess, in the second one.
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She's like, I can't take him seriously. You can't. I get that. He's too pretty. He's very pretty. He's a very pretty guy, but there's his craziness. Bill Paxton was pretty too, though, but he was rugged. Rugged. Like, it was pretty for Bill Paxton. It wasn't, like, social media pretty. Yeah. It was 90s pretty. The way your lips are pretty. He was so hot in his big red truck.
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Yeah, I wanted to do storm chasing since I've seen that in world since I was so close to so many tornadoes growing up and we would have to go to the hallway and put our head under a book in school. Yeah, i wanted to chase them then.
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a lot of crazy. You are. On that note, let's cheers, queers. Oh, cheers, queers. So what do you have?
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um So first first and foremost, it's... Over this week that you've deserted me, um I added another rule to our horror movie rules. That was such a slight.
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Was it? that A little bit. I intended it to be not slight. No, it was. I felt it. I wanted it to be direct. yeah Do I need to say it more directly? say it. Say it. You abandoned
Movie Discussions and Horror Rules
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me. abandoned me.
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But new new horror movie rule. There is always a body in the big deep freezer. Okay? Just saying. Always. Always. Don't open the freezer because there's to be a dead Don't the kid open it. No.
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Don't let the... dualmet You're walking into this place. There's there's a deep freeze. There's a body in it. I'm just saying. Yes. um I have a question for you. Yeah. Do you think that if you were in the presence of someone that you knew was a violent and manipulative killer, but like you put yourself in it because you already suspected them, would you be able to play it cool? Like you thought that like this person was a killer, but you wanted to know more.
00:07:59
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So you decide to become best friends with them or to date them or to whatever. Would you be able to like play it off and like be chill about it? Or would when the person looks at you and is like, what do you think about this dead body?
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Would you be like, Oh, you know, if they look intimidating to me, I don't know if I could. What do you think? Do you think I could?
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I think you could because I think it's about being a good enough actor, a liar, and like your prankster in nature. Like I think that you can do that. So I think that you could. Yeah. And I think that you would be able to play it off and and make it out of the situation into a point where like,
00:08:49
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you could get out of that, you know? I think that that would Or I could end up like the woman from Should Marry Murderer who went psychotic and did a lot of coke and alcohol and went into psychosis. She did. She did do that, didn't she? know, might end like that.
00:09:04
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Yeah, maybe. But I think I could. i think I could. really... I do. Unless... This person was so imposing and so scary looking to me that it intimidated me somehow, you know?
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But think about how many times in situations in the emergency departments that we've worked in, crazy. and you know, we have worked in yeah ERs around the country. And a lot of times in yeah ER you get very dangerous people as your patient. You get people that are very unpredictable as your patient. A lot of nurses across the country have been... Injured, killed, murdered, stabbed, bitten. I had a friend who was bitten and lost her finger as an ER nurse doing her job. Which finger?
00:09:44
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I don't remember. Seems important. Yeah. You should probably find out. Yeah. Yeah, so all over the country, and we go into these rooms with people that are... Psychotic. Yeah. And so we're able to maintain a sense of calmness. You know, what's funny though, is that I can do that in the patient room.
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But you know me, as soon as I get out of the patient room, I'm like, oh, yeah, same. So I can't, I can't do it. So I wonder if, here's my thing though, is if I ever put myself into that situation, like if I thought that you had killed somebody violently or multiple people,
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And I wanted to know more. Like I would never be disarmed, unarmed. I would never be in a situation where I didn't know for a fact that I could protect myself. Yeah. Yeah. So like I would never be fearful enough of that person to let it crack. I think. Yeah.
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I like I would always show up ready to kill somebody to defend myself. Yeah. And so that's a good point. Why did you ask me that? Because I watched a show.
TV Shows and Reality TV
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um Did you watch The Beast and Me?
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Yes. Claire Danes, right? Yeah. Love her. Yeah. She's crazy. in this But like, that was the thing is I kept watching her and being like, you're not playing this off well.
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Like you're not. What was the thing that she did in that show that was so just, she did it so much that people were commenting on, oh my God, she did that one certain action so many times. It was like the way she blinked or the way she,
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her constant like almost cry or something? i like I mean, she just did. She did see, i mean and she was, she was on edge, right? like she Her son had died, like it was bad, right? so
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she played that part where she was always on the verge of of breaking down. Where it made you so anxious. Anxious the entire freaking time. Because you're like, oh my god, you're letting this killer, who all of us know is a killer, yeah Like you're letting him see that you know that he's a killer. yeah Come on keep it Keep it together, lady. Keep it together. Keep it together. Keep together. Yeah. Like you're in his house, okay? That's a good show. it was a good show. um Charlize Theron and Taron Egerton. Did you watch it? No, I haven't seen it yet. Watch it.
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Is it good? Watch it. Is it going to make me angry? no You're gonna fucking love it. Okay. You're gonna love it. Because, mean, my my only comment in this note is, woo! I wanna see it. i love everything about her.
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Who's the guy? Taron Egerton, he played um Elton John in the movie about Elton John. He's extraordinary. he's he's extraordinary okay He's absolutely a phenomenal actor and like the two of them together in this movie amazeballs.
00:12:37
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I watched I was on like a Harlan Coben kick. Because you know Netflix is like all about Harlan Coben, right? It's so good. So I went down to, i did Runaway.
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um Obviously loved it because it's all British, right? And then Safe, love it. um But one that I didn't even know existed, ah on Netflix also, The Perfect Couple.
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um Who's in that? Dakota Fanning. No. Okay. haven't seen it. Is it my kind of show? it's a Yeah, it's an eight-part miniseries.
00:13:17
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Actually, you might hate and love it. Okay. It is a psychological thriller. So, you know we Were Liars, how much you hated that? Yes. Okay, this is, it's got a vibe like that, but it's not as bad. Okay? Okay.
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but it is about up on the Cape, Nantucket, sorry, in Nantucket, rich family, and all that kind of stuff. And there's also like the token guy of color in this one too, so I was like drawing a lot of parallels between the two. This one was so much different The ending of We Were Liars just totally mind-fucked me. But this one was jaw-dropping. Yeah, the ending of We Were Liars mind-fucked me, too. I mean, yikes.
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I don't think I hated that one as much in retrospect. I mean, you it gives you the ick because of the people, right? And I get that. I get that entirely. So this one also kind of gives you that. But from the beginning, you can tell...
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that these people know that they're not as perfect as they present. yeah So it's less icky than We Were Liars. Because We Were Liars, there was a lot, it was darker.
00:14:31
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ok This one has like comedy to it. And when I tell you that the opening scene, like the song that they use and like, The whole vibe of when the credits are rolling, you're gonna love it. And I want, if I ever get married, I want you to choreograph this dance at my wedding, okay? I got you. No pressure. No pressure. Everyone's gotta be on point. Because I'm an expert choreographer. You are, you really are I'm an expert choreographer, also because I'm a dance hall girl. Yes, definitely, definitely. Hello. definitely I'm a sport girl, so not really the dance thing. So while I was at Kim's last week, there was a hockey game on the TV.
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I was like, you know, typing away on my little laptop, doing the story that I was working on. And hockey was on. And it was the VGK is what the three letters were with the score beside it. And I was like, is this the Vikings?
00:15:28
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the And Kim said, yeah no, it is the Vegas Golden Knights versus the Colorado Avalanche. Vikings. You know, you know, that's that you know, that the sports teams exist that that are the Vikings. I'm proud of you. I didn't. oh I just that's what it looked like. And that's the one I went with.
00:15:43
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And so i would turn my head occasionally and just watch and notice their teeth. I'm really interested in their teeth or lack of or lack of. Yeah. But you can't even deny that there's like some absolutely stunning hockey players like Tom Wilson. Look at that man. Yeah. He's a total babe.
00:16:02
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And then, okay, I'm so against reality TV. Hate it, hate it hate it. You watched your rivalry. to No, I did not.
00:16:12
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That seems like a love story, and I can't. just I don't know. Listen, the way that every country literally is obsessed with it, I feel like you should watch it. I will never watch it, but. That's everything you love. you Two gay men.
00:16:25
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Getting it on. Yes. Come on. That's your right up your right alley. Right up my alley. You're right. That's up Sam's alley. That's exactly what I look for in life and porn. Okay. So as I'm typing, you know, on my little computer, do my thing, there was a reality show on.
00:16:44
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And Kim and her friend Carissa were all into it. They were watching it. And it was called In the City. And then another one was called Summer House. Two separate shows? Two separate shows.
00:16:57
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And they would say things from time to time that um I would be like... Let me stop typing and let me look at this TV. And I noticed that's slowly how it gets you.
00:17:10
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You know what I mean? like Because they see something so appalling or so like... This this woman who was stunning. She was a very beautiful woman. She's like, I mean, like they tell me I have a magical vagina that I shoot magical unicorns out of it and rainbows. I've had that conversation before. I was like... Let me look at her.
00:17:30
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And so I was like, i'm not. And then I looked at my computer. I can't look at that anymore. I can't look at that anymore. And then the guy who was kind of hot was like, my mother tells me i have great nail beds.
00:17:44
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was like, what what is this? and What is this? And I think I can't hide my facial expressions. Carissa was looking at me when I was going, huh?
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And she's like, your face, your face says it all. But I did like the seven minutes I spent looking at that screen. i could see that I was like, ah can't, can't engage in this because I will end up.
00:18:08
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It's like a train wreck. You can't turn away from it. You want to see the carnage. It's a fun train wreck that we all like to watch. Like a bunch of hot, happy people that are just falling off of this train that had a very non-deadly accident.
00:18:23
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You know, you just want to see what happens. Yeah, absolutely. And when this man said, my mom says I have good nail beds, i was like, who the hell? What the hell is this? What is this?
00:18:34
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and So, yeah. Listen, i'm I'm still waiting for my second season of the only reality show that I've ever watched. What was the name of that one again? I Kissed a Girl.
00:18:45
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Oh, yeah, yeah. It's a bunch of i see but a bunch of women from the UK in a villa in Italy. Like, all the accents. That's all I needed. And Kylie Minogue is the host.
00:18:57
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Say less. No, Danny. It's Danny. Sorry. um Say less, right? So when is it coming out? There's teasers about it?
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That's not. just saying. I'm just saying. I get just... So yeah, what else? Anything else? Anything else? Anything else?
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No, I think that's it. Did we cover it? As much as we can. You ready for a story? Let's do a story. Okay. I get to sit back and chill You
Historical and Emotional Sites
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do. This is my week. It is your time to shine.
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So this is technically the first time we are recording this and the story jeff will tell you guys next week is really good this one is not good it's not good at all all right and kelsey's sitting over there our first live audience like real it's our second but like second live audience but If you want to come and you can practice. No. Kelsey's just going to sit over and judge. She's not. She's. Yeah. She's going to sit and judge us. Yeah.
00:20:17
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I like it. All right. So I have offered for you to be a part of this and engaging. And I think that you would be a very, very engaging, and a psych person in this. But I'm going to go for it.
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So, Jeff.
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When people walk into architectural wonders like the Taj Mahal. You've been there, yeah? Walked into it. Or the Great Pyramids. Have you been there?
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Walked into it. ah Yeah. There's this
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pause, deep breath, soul so deep like thing that happens, right? You didn't know that you needed this
00:21:09
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Moment. Definitely for the pyramids. and Not the Taj Mahal? Nah. Really? It's big building. Pretty. I mean, very pretty. Okay. But, like, it was one of those things that if you see it in pictures your whole life and you get there, it's like, eh, it's pretty. Oh, well, this kind of completely defeats the entire, like, two first paragraphs this story. No, no, no, Pyramids. Yeah, think pyramids. Okay, well, Taj Mahal pyramids is soul-deep wonder and sigh thing, right? Pjords of Norway.
00:21:43
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So, viewing historical masterpieces, like Michael Angelo's Sistine Chapel, which, have you done that? Oof. Everything about, everything about my...
00:21:58
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Italy trip is caked in negativity, but there are some things that stand out just in trouble as genuinely
00:22:14
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breathtaking, right? And it it's you You see the Sistine Chapel. You see The Dancers in Blue by Edgar Degas, right? Have you ever seen that? Mm-mm.
00:22:26
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That painting is so simple and so stunning and so beautiful. it makes you pause. It makes you genuinely that deep breath.
00:22:42
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The Dancers in Blue by Edgar Degas. Edgar Degas is the last name. E-D-G-A-R. Yeah. um It pulls you in. It's this stunning mastery of the world around you, this this beauty.
00:23:08
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It's kind of painful to think about what someone was thinking about when they painted that, right? Right. So they connect people from all walks of life because anyone can go to see the Sistine Chapel. Anyone can can view the dancers in blue and it doesn't matter where you came from.
00:23:32
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But it gives you this overwhelming sense of
00:23:39
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peace, beauty, calm Okay. ah So in contrast, you know this very well, there exist places in our world where people say evil lives, right?
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I feel like your story about the...
00:24:07
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that guy that killed people right outside your hometown like oh yeah that like that that that's a thing there's evil there right so you can see that so some say there are places that draw wickedness to it um and I think Ashley your Ashley my Ashley our Ashley can understand that it's it pulls negative energy but it's A paranormal kind of thing, right?
00:24:41
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Sites of great violence hold this eerie kind of lingering chill in the air. Kelsey and I are going to go to Amsterdam in a few weeks. And she demands that I go and see the Anne Frank Museum. And I want to see that so badly because it's going to be my first time there.
00:25:07
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But it it does, it has this, you even think about it, it's just this negative, powerful, horrible energy. um As beautiful as the whole thing is, it's horrible, right?
00:25:22
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Is the museum like the house? Wow.
00:25:30
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Wow. It's so, Kelsey, I will accept, I will do this thing because history matters.
00:25:41
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But as much history exists in Europe and Eurasia and all of the things, um this is a thing that
00:25:55
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something horrific has this hold on it, right? So we want to go because we want to see what created this
00:26:07
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movement, this progress, this all this stuff. But if you think about the base of it, it's it's horrible. It's painful. It is nasty. It is hateful.
00:26:19
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It is e and, you know, personal tragedy. um I have a place that I never want to go again because there was this thing that happened and it it just sucked. And I think of this whole place as forever not being a good memory. Other people love it. They're like, yay, that's a good place.
00:26:44
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I have this own personal experience and it has changed how I view the entire experience.
Introduction to the Texas Killing Fields
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So... negative energy, it pulls, and it if you go to a museum or a mean memorial, have you been to the um Holocaust Museum? You have, yeah, okay, so you have this thing, and it's this very powerful moment where you get to
00:27:20
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see the things left behind from the people who experienced this disgusting historical moment, it lasts even now. You never experienced it, I never experienced it, but Kelsey never experienced it, but you go and you can still feel this thing, right?
00:27:42
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So this is not about about Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel and the and the good feelings that you get from all of those things. It's one of the stories about girls who got lost to those evil places.
00:28:04
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And for many many, many, many, many years, there was no resolution to those tales. At any given time, there are approximately
00:28:20
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how many cold cases do you think in the United States? lot, I On average, only ever maybe is solved.
00:28:37
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ah hundred thousand cases and only one percent of those is solved so there is a fifty three mile stretch of land along Interstate 45 in Texas between Houston and Galveston that has become the resting place for 34 young women and girls since the 1970s. Is this a documentary?
00:29:07
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I mean, there have been uncounted documentaries. okay so the 1970s, you know I love the 1970s and serial killers. They're my fucking favorite because...
00:29:19
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Fucking hell, of the 1970s was a horrible time to be like a female between the ages of 12 and 40. It was a terrible time, right? yeah Hitchhikers, obviously, horrible. So it was a shit decade, sometimes referred to as the golden age.
00:29:42
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which is kind of fucked, ah for serial killers. That's what I was going to say, the golden age of serial killers. Not the golden age. and Not the golden age The golden age of people who were just repeatedly fucking killing people, right? ah So people were disappearing and being murdered at... We didn't realize it at the time.
00:30:02
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But alarming rates after the fact. ah So during this time, serial killer...
00:30:10
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Give me one from Texas in the 1970s that I have talked about. oh um he was linked with He was indeed. He was indeed. Dean Corll.
00:30:25
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Dean Corll, yeah. Dean Corll, a.k.a. The Candyman. it's fucking fuck. So he was in Texas and actively abducting and killing at least 30 young boys and men.
00:30:42
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So in what police believe is the dumping ground for a handful, smattering, scattering of serial killers and then also one-time killers, many families have become horrifically and unwillingly connected through The Texas killing fields. I knew.
00:31:05
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I knew. Yeah. So, I mean, that's the fucked thing, right? Is that 1970s, they already sucked. And then you add in the fact that you have these known serial killers of men and boys. And then all of a sudden you have many many many many, many, many, many bodies of women, young girls, teens, etc.
00:31:31
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Turning up in the same... 53-mile stretch of land.
00:31:38
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So all of these families are connected. This is a documentary on Netflix, I think. so i was on it's on netflix It was on Netflix. It might only be on Amazon now. But this there that Netflix series only covers four of the 34 known victims from the Texas killing fields.
00:32:00
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ah So in recent years, advancements in science and technology have allowed investigators to identify some of the women who were for years known only as Jane or Janet Doe's and find some of their killers.
00:32:17
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We, historically on this episode, because we have history, because we're two years in, have talked about how DNA profiling only became available in the mid to late mostly late 1990s. And then DNA matching, DNA existed, we hope made this whole profile, but you couldn't match someone until you had a a big enough profile sample and that sample was well enough preserved so you could then pull from the historical cases that we have dealt with, right?
00:32:59
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But you had to also have something to compare it to because otherwise it's, it's Jeff pricks his thumb on this marker and nobody in his family, nobody in his extended family is in the DNA database. Like, so we have a blood sample and we have this, this white male with these certain characteristics, but like we have nothing to compare it to. Right. So In 1998, the Combined DNA Index System, a.k.a.
00:33:36
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CODIS, yeah was created. But unfortunately, that was not really accepted statewide, nationally, for about seven years. So Alabama might have put their stuff in Texas put it in.
00:33:55
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Washington state put it in, but you didn't have all 50 states until many years later. Um, and so we enter into this again, golden age of serial killers.
00:34:10
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So August 30th, 1983, 20 year old Susan Eads leaves her home at four 30. She goes to her job. She's a cocktail waitress. Um,
00:34:22
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She was vivacious. She was wonderful. She was beautiful. She was perfect for the job of a cocktail waitress. The next day, her body is found. There's a driver on the road. she He passes by and sees her half-naked body.
00:34:41
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She was just a few miles from home. Her car was abandoned in a nearby lot at a boat store. She was naked, she was covered in bruises, and it was determined that she had been strangled with the same freaking bodysuit that she had been wearing to her job.
00:35:00
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So they pulled it off of her, got her half naked, strangled her with it, yeah aa and then she had been sexually ex assaulted. After her death, her mother received phone calls from a man who identified himself as bill and claimed to have naked photos of Susan.
00:35:22
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He never was identified. Her case went cold and her family was left to wonder what happened to her for 37 years. October 1983, 25-year-old waitress Heidi Fye Villareal disappeared from a gas station in League City.
00:35:41
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Her friends and family described her as a quote, lively and independent young woman. Her body was found near the Calder Road in the Killingfield in early April 1984. She became the first of the quote, Calder Road girls.
00:36:03
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As was the case with many of the bodies uncovered over the years, her case went cold for 39 Wow.
00:36:11
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In September 1984, Laura Miller, 16 years old, she and her family moved to League City. Dad got a job, et cetera, et cetera. They hadn't yet set the phones up, so Laura leaves the home, walks to the gas station, uses their pay phone to call her boyfriend.
00:36:31
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It was the same gas station that Heidi had disappear disappeared disappeared from one year earlier. Laura Miller never came home. She was known for having a very close knit family.
00:36:43
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She suffered from seizures and following a school performance that was ruined by a seizure, Laura suffered depression, which honestly, like that really does suck. Like you're a teen.
00:36:56
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I think there's a whole house episode, maybe a, no, it's a Grey's Anatomy
Cold Cases and Advocacy
00:37:01
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episode. This girl, she's in the marching band and this, she has seizures and it's very embarrassing because you're a fucking teenager and everyone's judging you and she, she's really, really fin phenomenal at so many things.
00:37:14
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And then she has a seizure and everyone's judging her. And so she decides that her life is really hard. She does maybe go into a questionable group of people where they do drugs She was never found to have done drugs herself.
00:37:33
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But when she went missing, police said that it was likely a runaway or a suicide. Because she's 16, it's embarrassing. Everything's horrible. Why not, right?
00:37:46
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So it took almost two years for her body to be found in the killing fields. It was found at the same small area near Calder Road where Heidi Feld had been found. She disappears from the same gas station. She's found at the same spot.
00:38:01
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At the time they recovered her remains, police also found the remains of another unidentified female who remained Jane Jo for decades, but who also appeared less decomposed than Laura.
00:38:12
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Laura's father, Tim, became her top detective. He never stopped fighting for her He became well-known for taking things into his own hands. He even called himself or said that he was responsible for Dickinson County's first...
00:38:29
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drive-by shooting, he he shot up the roof of this guy that he thought was responsible. he wasn't The guy wasn't home, so he was not targeting the man. He just shot up the roof. His insulation got ruined.
00:38:44
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Everything was fucked. But,
00:38:49
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Tim never stopped fighting for her. He became um the cop's worst nightmare. Early in her disappearance, he began focusing his accusations on a local man and his neighbor named Clyde Edwin Hedrick, who had been known well at all the bars. All the ladies in town knew him.
00:39:09
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Hedrick was sentenced to one year in jail for, quote, abusing a corpse after police um found that he had been with this woman who had drowned potentially while skinny dipping. And it was one of those things where like this female body turned up.
00:39:29
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He said we were skinny dipping, she just happened to die, et cetera. I freaked out, ah I hid the body. Nothing was ever investigated about that, right? So this woman dies. She just so happened to die.
00:39:45
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There's skinny dipping and... dies. Yeah, she dies. um So that incident happened a few months before Laura Miller went missing, but he was not in prison at the time of Laura's disappearance. For 42 years, Laura's was listed as a cold case. And look up to Miller.
00:40:09
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Just going to say that. In December 1985, 30-year-old Audrey Cook vanished. She was a motorcycle buff. She had moved from Tennessee to Houston. She and her friend had gone there. She took a job as a mechanic. Shortly before Christmas 1985, her occasional letters to her family stopped abruptly.
00:40:28
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There was no news or information about her for 34 years. Donna Gunselen Prudmore was born in 1957 in Southeast Texas. As she grew up, she became known for her love of crabbing fishing and crab boils, seafood boils, etc. Janis Joplin was her favorite singer.
00:40:48
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She was the mother of two boys, and her move to Austin kind of grew out of this personal problem that she was having. Her family was in Houston.
00:41:00
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She decided to go there. In 1989, she dropped her sons off to spend time with ah her parents, their grandparents, said, I'll be back to pick them up in a few months.
00:41:15
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I need to sort myself out. She never came back. Her sister Diane never believed that she had just abandoned her sons. Everyone believed, Donna was damaged. She was broken. She had all these problems. It's fine.
00:41:33
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So for 30 years, her family had no idea why ah over where she had gone and what had happened to keep her from coming back to her kids. In 1991, more female remains were found near the Calder Road site where Heidi Fay, Laura Miller, and Jane Doe had been found.
00:41:53
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Police were unable to identify her. She was labeled Janet Doe. k Crystal Baker was born in 1982 in Texas City, Texas. Her mom, Jeannie, said that she was the sweetest child and she grew into your average teenage girl.
00:42:10
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She had a rebellious streak, but she genuinely had a heart of gold. She also happened to be... just a Does the last name Baker ring a bell for you?
00:42:25
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No? No. Okay, so...
00:42:31
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The only Baker I'm thinking about is Tammy Faye Baker. Oh, no. no Do you all know who that is? Yeah. Yes. No, this is different. Okay. Crystal Baker, different. ah Crystal Baker is the great niece of Norma Jean Baker. Oh, Marilyn.
00:42:50
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Who is Norma Jean Baker? Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, exactly. So everyone we know, everyone, everyone knows her as Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn Monroe. Unfortunately, Crystal Baker met a very different but also just as tragic fate as her glamorous great aunt. In 1996, 13-year-old Crystal was visiting her grandmother.
00:43:16
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They had an argument. Crystal stormed out of the house. She made her way to a nearby gas station and was like, I'm on the pay phone. Mom, come pick me up. Your mom's kind of a bitch.
00:43:27
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i don't know if that's what she said. Mom's totally a bitch. It's the 1970s. You can anything. You can say anything. Your mom's a bitch. Your mom's a bitch. So mom said, fuck off, Crystal. Go back to your grandma's house, reconcile, and I'll be there to pick you up tomorrow.
00:43:44
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Okay? Okay. Crystal doesn't go home, doesn't go to grandma's house. ah Mom says, I'm not coming to get you. Get over your shit. Get out of it. Crystal hangs up the phone, says, fuck my mom, fuck my grandma, fuck this whole thing.
00:44:00
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I'm a teenager in the freaking 80s. This is great. She calls her friend, says, hey, come pick me up. Nothing ever comes of that.
00:44:12
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Her family never saw her alive again. On the evening of March 5th, 1996, Crystal Baker was last seen walking along the side of the road, the Interstate 45 highway in Texas. Her body was found on the fringes of the Texas killing fields near the Louisiana border. A few hours after she disappeared, 2.1 hours distance in terms of driving, Unfortunately, it was a different county. So what happened?
00:44:48
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It breaks up. It's not continuous. You can't see what's going on in the other county. Exactly. So nobody realizes that this kid that went missing is the same body that we found. So in Chambers County, this kid is found at the Trinity Bridge, which is the absolute fringes of the the Texas killing fridge they killing fields.
00:45:11
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She is at Jane Jo for two weeks.
00:45:15
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So her cold case, they identified her, but then they were like, well, we still have no information. And I mean, it's been two weeks before we identified her. We have no idea where she was, when she left, et cetera. 25 years, her case sat on the cold case shelf in Chambers County.
00:45:35
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In April 1997, Laura Smither was twelve years old And I want to say, this bitch, I wanted to be her. I should have been her.
00:45:47
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She's kind of badass. And she was dead. But um well-rounded kid, extraordinary athlete, gifted student, gentle soul. On the morning of April 3rd, mom's making breakfast. Laura comes down. She's like, hey, I want to go run before i go before I eat breakfast. And then I go to school. Mom's like, yeah, you're a great athlete. Go ahead, girl.
00:46:09
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She never came home. So a few weeks later, Laura Smither became the next victim in the killing fields. Her mother, her parents grieved her loss. And then 17-year-old Jess Cain disappeared, leaving a bar kind of restaurant in Clear Lake City.
00:46:27
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And over the next few months, two more women disappeared. In July 1997, 20-year-old Kelly Cox, a criminal justice major who was taking a tour of the local jail police station in Denton, left the police station, went to a car and was like, shit, i don't have my keys. I can't get in. She calls her boyfriend.
00:46:48
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By the time he gets there, she's nowhere to be found. um She was abducted in broad daylight just across the street from the police station. And then 480 miles north in Anadarko, Oklahoma.
00:47:04
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you know? Is that isn't a thing? Okay, it's a thing apparently. ah Tiffany Johnston, a 19-year-old newlywed, disappeared 10 days after Kelly Cox. Tiffany was well-loved by all knew who knew her. She was her mother's whole world.
00:47:19
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Her abandoned car was found at a car wash with the keys still in the ignition and money in the passenger seat. Her body was found the next day, 15 miles from the car wash. She had been sexually assaulted and strangled.
00:47:32
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DNA was collected, but this is 1997, right? So police couldn't develop a profile all the time.
Technological Breakthroughs and Partial Closure
00:47:41
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How old was she? 19. So although not necessarily part of...
00:47:49
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because this is in Oklahoma, four almost 500 miles away. It's not the Texas killing fields.
00:47:57
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She was vital to a lot of the things that developed over the past 10 years. So ah Tiffany's abduction and murder would play a key role in the future cases of the fields.
00:48:11
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ah So the primary suspect in the disappearances of all four 1997 girls was man named William Reese. who had a record for sexual assault and kidnapping. He had been released from his 10-year sentence and gotten a job in Houston less than a year before Laura Smither was killed.
00:48:31
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Between 1996 and 1997, he traveled between like the general Houston area where he worked and... Anadarko, Oklahoma. Again, i don't know what that fucking place is, but it is a place where his mother lived.
00:48:47
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So late that year, Reese was arrested for kidnapping a woman at knife point. When police searched his vehicle, they found blood, hair, and fibers. There were witnesses who saw Reese's vehicle near Laura Smithers' last known location, but police couldn't make the case.
00:49:05
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Three of the four 1997 cases remained unsolved and listed as cold cases for 19 years. One was a cold case for 17 years. In 2010, the Chambers County Sheriff's Office detectives decided to sift through their evidence locker, and they came across the stained dress of Crystal Baker. She had been wearing it the night of her murder.
00:49:30
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the stain turned The stain turned out to be semen. When they ran it through CODIS, they got a hit immediately, immediately for a man named Kevin Edison Smith.
00:49:41
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His DNA had only been put into the system 11 months earlier after a minor drug arrest in Louisiana. Mm-hmm. So, like, if that dude hadn't done that thing in Louisiana, this never would have this never would have fucking come across. So, he had a long, very kind of, don't know if it's minor or minimal criminal record. It was never violent offenses. It was all, like, bull.
00:50:13
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Bullshit. Can you call it bullshit? It's like robberies, like minimal things, not violent stuff. But they collected his DNA. So they had his DNA from this the just the year before. They came up to him and they said, hey, man, we have your DNA on this this really bad thing that we did. And he was like, I i did it. I did it. I'm so sorry.
00:50:34
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That's what happened. He got 40 years in prison easily. So that was very straightforward. Years after the initial investigation into Clyde Hedrick, in 2012, Tim Miller convinced the courts to re-examine the case of Ellen Beeson.
00:50:55
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Investigators assumed, exhumed Ellen's body and a forensic anthrop anthropologist found evidence of Blunt force head trauma. Her death was changed from accidental to homicide.
00:51:08
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Hedrick was arrested and sentenced to 20 years in prison. Tim never stopped believing Hedrick had been guilty for his own daughter's murder. So in 2014, investigators retested DNA from the Tiffany Johnston case and obtained a partial male profile.
00:51:26
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They were able to eliminate every single potential suspect in her case except for one. William Reese. In 2015, he was still serving time in Texas for the late 1997 kidnapping.
00:51:38
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His DNA was a match to the evidence on tisy' or on Tiffany's case. In 2016, the Texas police used the DNA connection from the Oklahoma revelation of Reese's involvement in Tiffany's case. They sought him out for information regarding the disappearances of Kelly Cox, Laura Smith, and Jessica Cain.
00:52:00
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He led investigators to the remains of Cox and Kane. He confessed in the murders, including Tiffany's. However, he pleaded not guilty to the Johnston murder in 2021 during trial in Oklahoma.
00:52:16
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Although his defense team fought to keep the taped confession out of evidence, they failed and he was convicted and sentenced death. In 2017, the case of Susan Eades was reopened.
00:52:28
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Investigators had a DNA sample from the clothing they used to strangle her. Again, she was wearing the bodysuit that she had been wearing. They searched databases and in 2018 sought out a known serial killer named Anthony Shore, who had been living in the area during the time of her death and had given himself the name the tourniquet killer.
00:52:52
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Unfortunately, his DNA did not match. In 2019, DNA testing was used to identify the female remains that had been found in the same, like, 15 feet radius as Heidi Faye and Laura Miller off of Calder Road.
00:53:07
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They were identified as Audrey Cook and dada Donna Prud-Home. In 2020, after utilizing the FBI and scouring ancestry databases, and we've talked about this before, where, like, you might have a serial killer cousin, But like he didn't know that you were going put your shit in a database.
00:53:30
Speaker
But this came up. Found him. Which like honestly if you're a serial killer like fuck it. You have no rights right. So anyway. um So the killer was identified as Arthur Raymond Davis.
00:53:45
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Unfortunately Arthur Raymond Davis had died from injuries obtained in a single car accident in January 1984.
00:53:54
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In early 2021, Clyde Hedrick was paroled to a halfway house. Tim Miller petitioned repeatedly to have Hedrick under close watch. By this time, Tim's nonprofit search and rescue organization was helping Diane Gonsolin, Donna Gonsolin Broadmoor, try to find out what happened to her sister.
00:54:20
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It was around the time of his release when Diane showed Clyde Hedrick's picture to Donna's now adult sons. They recognizeed recognized him as having driven Donna to visit the boys one time.
00:54:33
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In June 2022, William Reese, who was now already a convicted serial rapist and murderer, on death row in Oklahoma, pleaded guilty in Galveston County to the murder of Laura Smither and then in Brazoria.
00:54:51
Speaker
that the way you say it? Texas? Brazoria County? To the murders of Kelly Cox and Jessica Cain. He was tried in Texas and after just 30 minutes, less than actually,
00:55:02
Speaker
Of deliberation, he was found guilty and received three life sentences for their murders. But again, he was already serving life on death row. But just in case he got out, here's three more.
00:55:13
Speaker
Right. In January of this year, 2026, William Reese was returned to Oklahoma because he was taken to Texas. He confessed to these things and he's got three life sentences here, which...
00:55:30
Speaker
me in Texas. Why would you not kill the motherfucker? But then he's in Oklahoma, right? March and April of this year, so where are we? We're in May, right? So two months ago, okay? yeah ah It's horrible. ah James Dolphs Elmore Jr. was indicted for manslaughter and felony tampering with evidence and the 1984 murders of Laura Miller and Audrey Cook.
00:55:58
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Elmore had actually reached out to till miller Tim Miller in 2022. Tim Miller had, in 2000, created Texas EquiSearch.
00:56:10
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Have you ever heard of that? So it's his whole thing. It's this guy, Tim, this sad daughter thing. What's up? James elmar jr james dophs Elmore Jr.
00:56:28
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one scary looking man. Yeah, it's a scary looking motherfucker. but You should look up Clyde Hedrick. Even worse. Kenzie James Dolphs Elmore Jr. And look up who?
00:56:40
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Clyde Hendrick? Clyde Edwin Hendrick. Or Hedrick. H-E-D-R-I-C-K. yeah Yeah. Holy mother.
00:56:51
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Anyway, so Tim, in 2000,
00:56:56
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of for formed the tech Texas EquiSearch. And it was it was all because everything about his kids, disappearance, murder, everything.
00:57:08
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And then he created this whole thing. And so tech Texas EquiSearch, if you look it up, is absolutely fucking phenomenal. So 2022, James Elmore reached out to Tim Miller his...
00:57:22
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um james elmore reach out to tu ah tim miller on his website, throw his website, EquiSearch, right? EquiSearch at the time was receiving countless calls and tips for people from like forever ago until this time. So Tim is immediately like, I don't believe anything you have to say, but...
00:57:48
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He received a call from a man who began to admit his part in what happened to Laura and the disappearance and hiding of the bodies of multiple other girls and women that had been found in the Texas killing fields.
00:58:07
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So Tim was immediately like, this kind seems real. So over the next four years, i so over the next four years Elmore spent 30 meetings telling Tim about some of the things that he had done, been a part of in multiple different missing people's cases and bodies and all that kind of shit.
00:58:35
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Finally, Tim convinces him to...
00:58:42
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admit all of this, any of this to the police because he, Tim has spent four years listening to the man that has said he killed his daughter and, and and was a part of hiding her body. And this is now 42 years after Laura Miller went missing.
00:59:00
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Tim never had an answer. Nobody knew what had happened. All of a sudden Elmore reaches out. Tim's like, Okay, so he pulls it together. He meets with Elmore 30 times, and every single time he holds it together, and he's like, oh yeah, just give me all this information. He leaves the meetings with Elmore.
00:59:19
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He pulls to the side of the road repeatedly, and he just sobs hysterically because this is this man talking about what had happened to his child. Hmm. For 40 years, this man, he he ruined his marriage. He ruined his relationship with his brother and his kids, his other kids. Everything had gone away.
00:59:38
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The only thing he had left was Texas Echo Search, finding Dolores' killer and finding everyone else's bodies, right? ah Unfortunately, um so Elmore very, very, very clearly said Clyde Hedrick was responsible for the murders of Donna Prudmore, Audrey Cook, Laura Miller, and Heidi Fye Villareal.
01:00:11
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They went to meet. Police found Clyde Hedrick. He had been released from his whatever, probation. He's in a rehab facility.
01:00:23
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Police go and contact him. They ask him all these questions. God's like, I got nothing to do with it. The next day, Hedrick is found dead, committed suicide before any definitive charges could be brought. Damn.
01:00:43
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These few women and girls were finally given a small part of justice that they deserved years after their deaths, years and years, decades after their death.
Ongoing Mysteries and Pain
01:00:53
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Somebody was finally held accountable.
01:00:56
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The following girls and women are still waiting for any kind of developments. Colette Wilson, 13. She disappeared June 1971. Her remains were found five months later.
01:01:06
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Brenda Jones, 14. Disappeared July 1, 1971. Her body was found the next day. Brenda Johnson, 14. And Sharon Shaw, 13. Disappeared early August 1971.
01:01:19
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Police suspected that they had just run away, but then their remains were found January 3, 1972.
01:01:26
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Glory Gonzalez, 19, disappeared October 28, 1971. I feel like they never run away. They never just run away. Except for the very rare times that they do, Yeah, I mean like 1% or something. Because everyone you've said today, they thought she ran away.
01:01:46
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She was 13 and had seizures and they thought she ran away. Unless she had seizure medications. Well, it was so sad. it was She was depressed. She had all these things. They don't run away. They don't.
01:01:57
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So, Gloria Gonzalez, 19, disappeared October 28, 1971. Her remains were found November 23, 1971, 30 yards from where Colette Wilson's remains were found.
01:02:09
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Allison Craven, 12, disappeared from her from her home. Her mother had stepped out to go to the grocery store. She was gone less than an hour on November 9, 1971. How old was she? 12.
01:02:22
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Oh. Her partial skeletal remains were found... early February 1972, and then the rest of her was recovered a couple weeks later, miles down the road.
01:02:34
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Debbie Ackerman and Maria Johnson both were 50 and disappeared while hitchhiking on November 15, 1971. Both bodies were found two days later, partially nude and bound and mutilated.
01:02:48
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kimberly Kimberly Pitchford, 16, disappeared from driving lessons at her high school on January 3rd, 1973. Her body was found two days later.
01:03:00
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Brooks Bracewell, 12, and Georgia Greer, 14, disappeared from a convenience store. They were also said to have been runaways. The remains were found 1976, but not identified until
01:03:16
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Maybe they should just say, okay why don't we not say they ran away? Why don't we have that in the back of our mind? Like, plan A, they ran away, but also let's do plan B at the same time, which is... Let's not be assholes and say that they're just they just left, right?
01:03:35
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Suzanne Bowers, 12, disappeared less than one mile from her home on May 21st, 1977. Her remains weren't found until March
01:03:47
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The remains of Tina Klaus, 17, and Harold Klaus, 21, were found on ah in January 1981 and identified in 2021.
01:03:58
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Their daughter was found still living in Oklahoma in 2022.
01:04:06
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Michelle Garvey, 15, disappeared from Connecticut on June 1, 1982. She was a runaway. she was a runaway As listed by police, her body was found July 1, 1982.
01:04:21
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She was buried in the same spot the Klaus couple had been buried in. Her body was not identified until 2014. Lynette and Tamara Fisher, disappeared February Their bodies were found two days later.
01:04:38
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Sarah Ann Lewis Trusty, 23 years old, disappeared after leaving her church on July 12, 2002. Her body was discovered 26 days later.
01:04:52
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Teresa Venegas, 16, disappeared on October 31, 2006.
01:04:59
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She was found strangled, raped, and her hair had been cut off three days later. And although there have been many breakthroughs in the cases of the Killingfield girls, there are many that remain unsolved. The small sense of closure for the families of the women identified does not bring them back.
01:05:18
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Advancements in science and technology technology have provided quote-unquote resolution, right? That's the only thing you can call it.
01:05:29
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And at least the families now know where their daughter or sister or sibling, whatever it was, went. Because like Diane, she thought her sister had just maybe disappeared, left her sons, etc.
01:05:47
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But now they know for a fact that she never left. Nothing can change that these individuals were taken from loving families, most men. if not all, were sexually assaulted.
01:06:00
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Every single one of them was brutalized, traumatized, and completely destroyed. And then they were disposed of in the most callous and uncaring way.
01:06:13
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For the still cold cases, there is hope that investigators will be able to find answers even after all this time. They have not been forgotten. And 40 years later, people are still looking for you.
01:06:28
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Oh, that was dark and good. I could have gone darker. That was good. Honestly, the details of these, like, ugh. Yeah, I've seen the Texas Killing Fields. And that's only about the four. That's the Calder Road girls.
01:06:43
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That's insane. Ugh, it was horrible. You did um Unsolved. no oh No, you can't back that up.
01:06:56
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She... Sam... the The unsolved cases make her insane. And she has said. I put their names on there. You did such a good unsolved But I'm just saying that was an unsolved.
01:07:12
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And she did a very good job with it. I think you have it a niche. I think you you should start doing unsolved. Hold cases. I don't want unsolved. That was really good. I hate all of it.
01:07:24
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But she did so good. I for forgot Kelsey was here. Look, she's still alive. So it's been fun for me because when I talk, I can look at Kelsey. Honestly, I forgot. I'm looking at the light switch. I can look at Kelsey and have a conversation with Kelsey. Honestly, what does this light switch do?
01:07:39
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ah It's the outside light, but it's out. um Kelsey. So there this reminds me of a documentary. In a horrible way, it reminds me of a documentary.
01:07:54
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You should watch it. it's Kelsey should? You too. It's called Great Photo, Lovely Life. Oh, I've heard of it. my God. Oh, Don't watch it, Kelsey.
01:08:05
Speaker
No, I mean. she I mean, she should. but Yeah, you should. Like, it's yeah it's insane. It will make you furious. Should we cut the show off right now? You've already cut the show off. Your microphone's way up in the air. Hello. Goodbye. Here for a good time?
01:08:22
Speaker
Not a long time. Bye-bye.