Jeff tells the incredible true story of Apollo 13, the near-disastrous NASA mission that became one of the greatest survival stories in space exploration history.

What was meant to be a routine lunar mission quickly turned into a life-or-death crisis when an onboard explosion crippled the spacecraft. Astronauts Jim Lovell, Fred Haise, and Jack Swigert were left stranded in space, relying on ingenuity, teamwork, and ground support to make it home alive. Jeff also connects the lessons learned from Apollo 13 to the future of space exploration, including Artemis II, NASA’s upcoming mission aimed at returning humans to the Moon. 

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Sources

 * NASA – Apollo 13 Review Board Report (50 Years Later)
   https://www.nasa.gov/history/50-years-ago-apollo-13-review-board-report/
 * Wikipedia – Apollo 13
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_13
 * YouTube – Apollo 13 overview
   https://youtu.be/69LDSL-9--g?si=-6O0okO2ecYx9uXp
 * Wikipedia – Katherine Johnson
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Johnson
 * Wikipedia – Fred Haise
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Haise
 * Wikipedia – Jim Lovell
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Lovell
 * Wikipedia – Jack Swigert
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Swigert
 * Wikipedia – Ken Mattingly
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Mattingly
 * NASA – Apollo 13 Mission Overview
   https://www.nasa.gov/mission/apollo-13/
 * Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum – Apollo 13 Story
   https://airandspace.si.edu/explore/stories/apollo-missions/apollo-13
 * NASA – Katherine Johnson
   https://www.nasa.gov/katherine-johnson/

98 – Apollo 13

This week is a special one.

Jeff and Sam step away from the usual format to share stories from their unforgettable trip to Egypt. From standing in awe of the ancient Great Pyramid of Giza to navigating the energy of bustling streets and historic sites, this episode is packed with personal moments, unexpected experiences, and plenty of laughs along the way.

It’s a mix of wonder, chaos, history, and perspective -- told the only way Jeff and Sam can tell it.

No scripts. No research. Just stories.

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97 – Egypt: Stories from the Trip

This week Jeff and Sam share some stories from their trip to Egypt. From the pyramids to Karnak Temple.  Enjoy

100 - Our Trip to Egypt

Sam shares the chilling story of Ted Bundy, one of the most infamous serial killers in American history.

Operating during the 1970s, Bundy was responsible for the abduction and murder of numerous young women across multiple states. Known for his intelligence, charm, and ability to blend in, he used manipulation and deception to gain the trust of his victims—making his crimes all the more disturbing.

This episode explores not only the timeline of Bundy’s murders, but also the psychology behind them. Drawing from criminal analysis and mental health research, Sam dives into how Bundy’s behavior challenged assumptions about what a killer “looks like,” and how investigators—including those who would later pursue other serial killers—learned from his case.

From courtroom theatrics to shocking confessions, Bundy’s story remains one of the most studied and haunting in true crime history.

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Sources

 * Seattle Times – Obituary of Bob Keppel
   https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/obituaries/bob-keppel-the-cop-who-spent-his-life-chasing-serial-killers-including-ted-bundy-dies-at-76/
 * HistoryLink.org
   https://historylink.org/File/23480
 * Wikipedia – Ted Bundy
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy
 * The Last Podcast on the Left – Episodes 99 & 100 (Bundy Parts 1 & 2)
 * University of Kentucky – Psychology Research on Ted Bundy
   https://psychology.as.uky.edu/psychology-researcher-unravels-serial-killer-ted-bundys-mental-health
 * Encyclopaedia Britannica – Ted Bundy
   https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ted-Bundy
 * Crime Museum – Ted Bundy
   https://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/serial-killers/ted-bundy/
 * EBSCO Research Starter – Ted Bundy
   https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/ted-bundy
 * Florida Sheriffs Association – Chi Omega Murders
   https://flsheriffs.org/blog/entry/remembering-ted-bundy-and-the-chi-omega-murders/
 * All That’s Interesting – Ted Bundy
   https://allthatsinteresting.com/ted-bundy
 * Biography.com – Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer Investigation
   https://www.biography.com/crime/a65603336/ted-bundy-green-river-killer-investigation
 * Netflix – Conversations with a Killer: The Ted Bundy Tapes

96 – Ted Bundy

This week Jeff shares the story of Dell Burke, a legendary figure of Wyoming’s frontier history.

Dell Burke operated the iconic Yellow Hotel in Lusk for nearly six decades, running a brothel and speakeasy that became both infamous and respected in the region. Known for her sharp business sense and commanding presence, she built a lasting enterprise in a time and place where survival required grit, strategy, and resilience.

But her legacy goes beyond notoriety. Dell was also known for her generosity and philanthropic contributions to the local community, creating a complex and fascinating story of a woman who thrived outside societal norms while quietly giving back.

This is a story of power, contradiction, and carving your own place in history.

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Sources
Read, June Willson. Frontier Madam: The Life of Dell Burke, Lady of Lusk. Twodot
Prairie Public – Dell Berke and the Yellow Hotel
https://news.prairiepublic.org/podcast/dakota-datebook/2021-11-04/dell-berke-and-the-yellow-hotel
Niobrara County Library – Obituary Records
https://www.niobraracountylibrary.org/obituaries/obituary-details/?id=872
Ranchers.net – Little Wyoming History discussion
https://www.ranchers.net/threads/little-wyoming-history.58154/
My Favorite Murder – Episode “Cow Women”

95 – Dell Burke: Lady of Lusk

Sam shares the devastating and deeply unsettling case of Murder of Shanda Sharer, a crime that shocked the nation and exposed the darkest edges of youth violence.

In 1992, 12-year-old Shanda Sharer was abducted, tortured, and ultimately murdered by a group of teenage girls in Indiana. What makes this case especially disturbing isn’t just the brutality—it’s the psychology behind it. Drawing from research on adolescent violence, group dynamics, and behavioral development, this story explores how peer influence, identity formation, and unchecked aggression can spiral into unimaginable tragedy.

Sam breaks down not only what happened that night, but why—digging into studies on youth violence, gang-like behavior, and the role of environment and psychology in shaping extreme actions. It’s a case that forces a hard question: are monsters born… or are they made?

This one is heavy. And it stays with you.

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Sources
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9512271/
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2017-27055-009
https://www.catch-22.org.uk/resources/understanding-violence-in-young-people/
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/virtual-reality/articles/10.3389/frvir.2023.1142241/full
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shanda_Sharer
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-01-31-mn-1053-story.html
https://people.com/shanda-sharer-inside-killing-indiana-girl-burned-alive-11764118
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-gang-definitions
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5215800/


94 - Shanda Sharer

Jeff tells the tragic story of the Nutty Putty Cave Incident.

In 2009, John Edward Jones went spelunking with his brother and a group of friends inside Nutty Putty Cave in Utah. What began as an adventure quickly turned into a nightmare when John mistakenly entered a narrow, unmapped passage and became trapped upside down.

Despite an intense rescue effort that lasted for hours, the extreme conditions, positioning, and physical strain made recovery impossible. John ultimately did not survive. The cave was permanently sealed, turning it into his final resting place.

This is a heartbreaking story of exploration, risk, and the limits of rescue - and a sobering reminder of how quickly things can go wrong. Visit us on Linktree [https://linktr.ee/thejeffandsamshow] for the collection of links, Instagram, or email us at jeffandsamshow@gmail.com.

Sources


 * Museum Facts – Nutty Putty Cave: John Edward Jones’ Tragic Descent
   https://museumfacts.co.uk/nutty-putty-cave-john-edward-jones-tragic-descent/
 * Medium – One Minute Horror Story
   https://medium.com/the-shortform/one-minute-horror-story-07ac90c802c4
 * All That’s Interesting – Nutty Putty Cave
   https://allthatsinteresting.com/nutty-putty-cave
 * MDLinx – Upside Down for 7 Hours: Doctors Debate Survival Possibilities https://www.mdlinx.com/article/upside-down-for-7-hours-doctors-debate-survival-possibilities/2vSrzwK1iEay4pw2PnMdUz
 * HowStuffWorks – How Nutty Putty Cave Works
   https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geology/nutty-putty-cave.htm
 * The Science Survey – Spelunking: Dangerously Enjoyable or Enjoyably Dangerous?
   https://thesciencesurvey.com/spotlight/2026/03/10/spelunking-dangerously-enjoyable-or-enjoyably-dangerous/
 * Wikipedia – Nutty Putty Cave
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutty_Putty_Cave
 * NBC News coverage
   https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna34157005
 * Brandon Kowallis – The Nutty Putty Cave Rescue: One Rescuer’s Perspective
   https://www.brandonkowallis.com/2024/02/the-nutty-putty-cave-rescue-the-death-of-john-jones-one-rescuers-perspective/
 * Morbid Podcast episode (YouTube)
   https://youtu.be/Z2WgfUcSOLI?si=Gcmn_IAcx8OoZIJn

93 – The Nutty Putty Cave Incident

Jeff tells the disturbing story of Gary Heidnik, an American murderer whose crimes shocked Philadelphia in the late 1980s. Heidnik abducted six women and held them captive in the basement of his home, where he subjected them to horrific torture and abuse. Two of the women were murdered during the ordeal.

The case came to light in 1987 when one of the captives managed to escape and alert police, leading authorities to uncover the gruesome “house of horrors.” The investigation revealed the extent of Heidnik’s cruelty and the unimaginable suffering endured by the victims, making the case one of the most infamous in Philadelphia’s criminal history.

Sam shares the story of Olga of Kiev, the fierce 10th-century ruler of Kievan Rus' who became legendary for her ruthless vengeance. After her husband, Prince Igor, was murdered by the Drevlians, Olga launched a calculated and brutal campaign of retribution against them—burning cities, executing envoys, and securing her power as regent. Despite her violent path to authority, she later converted to Christianity and was eventually canonized as a saint, earning the title “Equal to the Apostles” in the Eastern Orthodox Church.

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Sources

Jeff’s Sources (Gary Heidnik):

 * History.com – Torture Chamber Uncovered in Philadelphia
   https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/march-25/torture-chamber-uncovered-in-philadelphia
 * Green, R. (2025). The Pit: The True Crime Story of Six Women, One Monster, and the Nightmare Below. Ryan Green Books.
 * The Casual Criminalist episode on Gary Heidnik
   https://youtu.be/npaEJB0ciE4?si=vlDRzJ66Jsin9nN3

Sam’s Sources (Olga of Kiev):

 * https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Olga-of-Kiev
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_of_Kiev
 * https://www.worldhistory.org/Olga_of_Kiev/

92 – Gary Heidnik and  Olga of Kiev

Jeff tells the chilling story of the murder of Reyna Marroquin. In 1999, construction workers renovating a home in Jericho made a horrifying discovery: a body sealed inside a 55-gallon drum for three decades. What followed was a forensic puzzle involving a former employer, long-buried secrets, and a case that proved the past never stays hidden forever. Sometimes justice waits quietly… and then kicks the door in.

Sam shares the story of how an unsolved 1971 murder in Howard County led to an unexpected and emotional DNA breakthrough decades later. Advances in genetic genealogy helped investigators identify a long-unknown victim, reconnect surviving family members, and finally bring answers to a case that had remained cold for over 50 years. Science doesn’t forget—and neither do the people still waiting for the truth.

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Sources

Jeff’s Sources (Reyna Marroquin):

 * CBS News – The Clue in the Drum
   https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-clue-in-the-drum/
 * Megan Ashley, Medium article
   https://medium.com/@chelsealynnqueen94/the-murder-of-reyna-ang%C3%A9lica-marroqu%C3%ADn-a-tragic-discovery-30-years-later-5c962f8757a3
 * Forensic Files episode

Sam’s Sources (1971 Cold Case DNA Identification):

 * Howard County Police Department
   https://www.howardcountymd.gov/police/howard-county-police-identify-jane-doe-1971-homicide-reunite-surviving-children
 * The Washington Post
   https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2026/02/07/cold-case-sibling-reunion-howard-county/

91 – The Clue in the Drum and a DNA Reunion

Jeff tells the story of Ruth Ellis, an African-American LGBTQ+ rights activist and one of the oldest surviving openly lesbian women, living to the age of 101. Though she considered herself ordinary, her quiet courage, lifelong advocacy, and support of Detroit’s queer community made her extraordinary. From operating one of the few safe gathering spaces for LGBTQ+ people in the mid-20th century to inspiring generations of activists, Ruth’s legacy is one of resilience, dignity, and unapologetic authenticity.

Sam shares the story of Project MKUltra, an illegal human experimentation program designed and carried out by the Central Intelligence Agency during the Cold War. The program sought to develop techniques and drugs that could alter human behavior, including experiments involving LSD and other substances—often conducted without the knowledge or consent of participants. Decades later, declassified documents and testimony revealed the disturbing scope of the project and its profound ethical violations.

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Sources

Jeff’s Sources (Ruth Ellis):

 * https://www.globalsociety.earth/post/a-century-of-courage-activism-and-legacy-ruth-c-ellis
 * https://bentley.umich.edu/news-events/magazine/living-with-pride/
 * https://pridesource.com/article/how-ruth-ellis-inspired-my-early-activism-helping-queer-at-risk-youth
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Ellis_(activist)

Sam’s Sources (MKUltra):

 * MKULTRA: How the CIA Used the Cold War to Commit Horrors on US Citizens by Dawson M.
 * https://safe.menlosecurity.com/doc/docview/viewer/docNBFC8F817A722e7b2e98174f84e8f35b0224aae7515b4ca0358577a181726d9320a24538f2a6f
 * https://research.unc.edu/human-research-ethics/resources/ccm3_019064/
 * https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/dnsa-intelligence/2025-10-30/top-secret-testimony-cias-mkultra-chief-50-years-later

90 - Ruth Ellis and MKUltra

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