This week, Sam dives into the haunted history of Printer’s Alley and the story of David Schulman, a beloved figure in Nashville’s vibrant nightlife. Meanwhile, Jeff shares the twisted and bizarre true story of Otto in the Attic—a secret lover hidden above the ceiling, a murder, and a magical vagina. You’ll laugh, gasp, and possibly need to lock your attic door.

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Jeff’s sources:

 * Dolly Oesterreich’s House – I Am Not a Stalker [https://www.iamnotastalker.com/2016/10/03/dolly-oesterreichs-house/]
 * Walburga “Dolly” Oesterreich – Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walburga_Oesterreich]
 * Murderous Lover in a Silver Lake Attic – LAist [https://laist.com/news/la-history/hidden-history-of-la-the-murderous-lover-who-lived-in-a-silver-lake-attic]
 * The Dollop #200 – Otto in the Attic [https://podcasts.apple.com/ee/podcast/200-otto-in-the-attic/id643055307?i=1000374266956]

Sam’s source:

 * Printer’s Alley and the Rainbow Room – Nashville Ghosts [https://nashvilleghosts.com/printers-alley-and-the-rainbow-room/]

57 – Nashville Ghosts and Otto in an Attic

To end Gay pride month 2025, Sam tells the story of Sara Josephine Baker. Baker  was an American physician notable for making contributions to public health, especially in the immigrant communities of New York City. She also happed to be part of the Queer community.  Her fight against the damage that widespread urban poverty and ignorance caused to children, especially newborns, is perhaps her most lasting legacy. In 1917, she noted that babies born in the United States faced a higher mortality rate than soldiers fighting in WW1, drawing a great deal of attention to her cause.  She also is known for (twice) tracking down Mary Malone, better known as Typhoid Mary.

Sources:

https://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/biographies/sara-josephine-baker/

https://www.curvemag.com/blog/history/sara-josephine-baker-lesbian-scientist-changed-the-face-of-public-health/

https://cfmedicine.nlm.nih.gov/physicians/biography_19.html

https://poklib.org/doctor-sara-josephine-baker-fighting-for-life/#:~:text=In%20her%20later%20years%2C%20she,death%20on%20February%2022%2C%201945.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sara-Josephine-Baker

Sara Josephine Baker

This week, Sam shares the story of Typhoid Mary, the first person in the United States identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the pathogen associated with typhoid fever. Jeff dives into the chilling case of Danny Rolling, also known as the Gainesville Ripper—a serial killer whose horrifying crimes inspired a massively popular horror film. True crime meets medical mystery in this haunting episode.

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Jeff’s sources:

 * Danny Rolling – Wikipedia [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Rolling]
 * The Real Killer Who Inspired Scream – Collider [https://collider.com/scream-killer-true-story/]
 * Gainesville Ripper – YouTube [https://youtu.be/nHGT2R70cr8?si=ZKy41GRyF0DYdBKQ]

Sam’s source:

 * Mary Mallon (Typhoid Mary) – PMC [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3959940/]

56 – Typhoid Mary and the Gainesville Ripper

This week, Jeff shares the story of Harvey Milk. Milk is a Queer icon. Milk was an American politician and the first openly gay man to be elected to public office in California, as a member of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors. 

Because of his tireless advocacy for all gay people Harvey Milk was assassinated in 1978.

 His story is unique and heroic. He is simply... a hero. 



Sources used: 

https://campus.digication.com/caradevine2/last_words

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Milk

https://milkfoundation.org/

https://youtu.be/Od05s8cc32A?si=-5bdnMnkFTCviaqV



And for bonus, if you want to see Anita Bryant take a pie to the face here is that video.

https://youtu.be/5tHGmSh7f-0?si=draPKuXPBM_-iSes

Harvey Milk

This week, Sam shares the story of Florence Nightingale—yes, that Florence Nightingale. The legendary nurse, statistician, and social reformer wasn't just ahead of her time in the medical world… she was also just a little bit gay. Celebrate Pride with us as we shed light on the softer, lesser-known parts of her incredible story. 🏳️‍🌈🩺

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Sam’s sources:

 * Homecoming and Legacy – Britannica [https://www.britannica.com/biography/Florence-Nightingale/Homecoming-and-legacy]
 * Florence Nightingale: Part I – Making Queer History [https://www.makingqueerhistory.com/articles/2019/3/30/florence-nightingale-part-i]
 * LGBT Scientists Who Changed the World – Discovery [https://www.discovery.com/science/LGBT-Scientists-Who-Changed-World]
 * Lesbians in History – Owlcation [https://owlcation.com/humanities/lesbians-in-history]
 * 12 Women They Didn't Tell You Were Queer in History Class – Autostraddle [https://www.autostraddle.com/12-women-they-didnt-tell-you-were-queer-in-history-class-306088/]

54 – NightinGAY (aka Florence Nightingale)

Happy Pride!!!

Jeff shares the story of Alan Turing. Turing was a pioneering British mathematician and logician. Best known for his contributions to computer science and helping the allies win World War 2 against the Nazis. He was also gay so his story is less known because of this. Enjoy this dive into history for Pride.

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Jeff’s sources:

 * Hodges, Andrew. Alan Turing: The Enigma. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1983.
 * The First Huts – Bletchley Park [https://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/our-story/the-first-huts/]
 * Alan Turing and His Legacy – Dermot Turing [https://dermotturing.com/about/alan-turing-and-his-legacy/#:~:text=Alan%20Turing's%20Legacy,the%20foundations%20of%20mathematical%20biology.]
 * Alan Turing – Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing]
 * Alan Turing’s Childhood Story – More Than Our Childhoods [https://www.morethanourchildhoods.org/stories/alan-turing/#:~:text=Turing%20was%20in%20foster%20care,a%20town%20in%20East%20Sussex.]
 * A Valentine Memoriam: Alan Turing & Christopher Morcom [https://theturingcentenary.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/a-valentine-memoriam-alan-turing-christopher-morcom/]
 * Alan Turing Tribute – YouTube [https://youtu.be/5IgyMg5jmM0?si=IbWck7I3u24rEPpK]
 * LGBT+ History Month: Alan Turing and His Enduring Legacy – Education Hub [https://educationhub.blog.gov.uk/2021/02/lgbt-history-month-alan-turing-and-his-enduring-legacy/]

53 - A gay show for smart people: Alan Turing

If you haven't heard part one (our previous episode) please check it out.

On May 14, 2015, three members of the Savopoulos family—Savvas, Amy, and their son Philip—as well as their housekeeper, Veralicia Figueroa, were killed at the Savopoulos home in Washington, D.C. The victims were held hostage for 22 hours, starting on May 13. Ten-year-old Philip was tortured in order to coerce $40,000 in cash from the family. The perpetrator(s) restrained them with duct tape before killing them, then set the house on fire. They all sustained blunt force trauma, and Philip was also stabbed.

Sam wraps up the story of the Pizza Crust Murders by telling very convoluted story of the trial and the wild testimonies that concluded the trial.

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Sam’s sources:

 * DC Mansion Murders: Evidence That Helped Convict the Killer [https://abcnews.go.com/US/dc-mansion-murders-evidence-helped-convict-killer/story?id=58775381] – ABC News
 * WTOP's American Nightmare Series – Season 1: 22 Hours
 * Darron Wint Sentenced for Killing Four People in Northwest Washington Home Invasion [https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/darron-wint-sentenced-prison-killing-four-people-northwest-washington-home-invasion] – U.S. Department of Justice

52 – The Pizza Crust Murders, Part 2

This week, in part one, Sam tells the story of the Pizza Crust Murders involving the Savopoulos family. They lived in an upper-middle-class suburban neighborhood in Washington, D.C., known as Woodley Park. The father, Sava; the mother, Amy; and their 10-year-old son, Phillip, along with the housekeeper, Vera, were held hostage for 22 hours and then violently murdered.

Who did it? Why the rage? Was it personal? Why that day? So many questions.

And remember, this is only part one. Tune in next week for part two.

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Sam’s sources:

 * DC Mansion Murders: Evidence That Helped Convict the Killer [https://abcnews.go.com/US/dc-mansion-murders-evidence-helped-convict-killer/story?id=58775381] – ABC News
 * WTOP's American Nightmare Series – Season 1: 22 Hours
 * Darron Wint Sentenced for Killing Four People in Northwest Washington Home Invasion [https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/darron-wint-sentenced-prison-killing-four-people-northwest-washington-home-invasion] – U.S. Department of Justice

51 – The Pizza Crust Murders

Jeff and Sam share a little happiness on this Monday. Enjoy.

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Sources:

 * He Was Injured with Crutches When a Group of Scary Teens Offered ‘the Kindness of Strangers’ [https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/he-was-injured-with-crutches-when-a-group-of-scary-teens-offered-the-kindness-of-strangers/]
 * Bystander Becomes ‘Lifesaver’ Leaping into Ocean When Bull Shark Bites Swimmer Off Deserted Beach [https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/bystander-becomes-lifesaver-leaping-into-ocean-when-bull-shark-bites-swimmer-off-deserted-beach/]

SN26 – The Kindness of Teens and a Sharkside Rescue

Sam won the coin toss and shared the incredible survival story of Michael Odom. Jeff tells the insane story of the death of George Washington... probably not the story you learned in history class. Enjoy.

Also, Jeff bought Sam a gift and Sam almost passed out.

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Disclaimer: When we mention an item (like a drink) during the show or on Instagram, it's simply because we like the product. No other reason.

Jeff's Sources:

 * The Death of George Washington – Mount Vernon [https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/the-death-of-george-washington#:~:text=On%20December%2018%2C%201799%20a,Philadelphia%20on%20December%2026%2C%201799.]
 * George Washington's Achievements – Britannica [https://www.britannica.com/summary/George-Washingtons-Achievements]
 * Washington’s Farewell Address – U.S. Senate [https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/Washingtons_Farewell_Address.pdf]
 * The Death of George Washington – Mount Vernon (duplicate source) [https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/the-death-of-george-washington]
 * Death Defied: Dr. Thornton's Radical Idea of Bringing George Washington Back to Life – Mount Vernon [https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/death/death-defied-dr-thorntons-radical-idea-of-bringing-george-washington-back-to-life]
 * The Mysterious Death of George Washington – Constitution Center [https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-mysterious-death-of-george-washington]
 * Washington’s Final Hours – PBS [https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/dec-14-1799-excruciating-final-hours-president-george-washington]
 * Quote on Washington’s Death – RealClear Public Affairs [https://www.realclearpublicaffairs.com/articles/2024/12/13/great_american_stories_quote_on_washingtons_death_1078998.html]
 * Video: The Death of George Washington – YouTube [https://youtu.be/93pfG2v-BvQ?si=pefR_DRc2J7PG3qS]

Sam's Source:

 * “Nineteen Talk Me” – U.S. Naval Institute [https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/1995/august/nineteen-talk-me]

50 - Michael Odom and The Insane Death of George Washington

A true crime, comedy and historical gem podcast. Just a conversation between two friends telling each other stories that we find interesting. 

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