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Verizon Von - Black Sheep | Twitch Streaming | HyperBeast
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Rush and Joe talk to Verizon Von, a rising star of the cellular service world. Von becomes the first brave and generous guest, and he does not disappoint. And he proves what Joe and Rush already know: the most interesting person is the one right in front of you.
Today, Verizon Von is the most interesting person in the world.
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Transcript
Anticipation and Contacting the Guest
00:00:00
Speaker
What are you getting there a little bit are you're getting nervous I can tell rush you're getting nervous I know because who knows you know people are nice, but then you never know you know It's like yeah, I'll be there. It's kind of like I'm looking for his number He gave you his number well he filled the form out so we have his number and he texted last week and
00:00:25
Speaker
ahead of time, confirming the time. And he just hadn't read the email completely to say that the day was changed. He said, Oh yeah, that's fine. He is. He is from Verizon. So I guess it's okay. Let's not a sponsor, not a sponsor yet.
00:01:05
Speaker
I think I'm thinking of the same guy.
00:01:09
Speaker
Dude dad, his wife, I mean, if you're a follower, you would know that his wife is pregnant and she's about ready to give birth on their third kid. And so he kind of started, he was like, kind of like Tim Allen type character where like he would super, he would like make stuff for his kids and just kind of go over the top just for fun. And he did a couple of videos and it caught on. And then this guy's just a, he's just a creative dude. He's in Colorado.
00:01:38
Speaker
He moved out to Colorado. And then he redid his house. One of the skitsy, or one of the things he did was about a couple more days construction. Yeah, a couple more days construction. Yeah, that's him. Yeah, that's him. Yeah, he's starting to do a little stand up now too. You're nervous. I'm trying to banter with you. Did you keep your mind off of the fact that our first- Well, I was looking for his number. I found his number. I texted him. Now we'll see what he says. He came back undeliverable. He came back undeliverable.
00:02:09
Speaker
Anyway, you look at it, this is great. Like I'm totally digging this moment right here, right now. If we're not living, if we're not living the dream, what else are we doing right now? This is fantastic. I love it. We've just gotten so close here. I mean, this is, this was the moment that this was going to work. You're so disappointed. Oh, here he comes. No. Are you serious? There's no way. Yeah. No, it says guest under there.
00:02:40
Speaker
No, but there's no idea. Oh my word, I'm about ready to throw up. I can't, I'm trying to make sure that the mic is on, my mic is on loud enough. I guess it is. I see you're a little squiggly. Seriously, that's what you're thinking about? That's what you're thinking about. I'm thinking about all these things right now.
00:02:57
Speaker
That's why you're the straight man. I'm just the beauty of this thing. That's why I'm just trying to look. He's coming in. No, he's not. There's no way. No way. I can't believe this is actually happening.
Vaughn Joins and Shares His Background
00:03:15
Speaker
Yeah, there he is. Is this Verizon Vaughn? This is, yes. This is so great.
00:03:22
Speaker
I can't believe we were just, we were like, seriously, Vaughn, we were rushing. I were just like, is he really going to show up? I don't know. I don't know if he's going to show up or not. And we were just kind of talking about it. And then you popped on and it was like Christmas morning. Like what's going on? What, what time zone are you in? Uh, yes.
00:03:40
Speaker
Which is like, what time? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My time. Okay. Cause, cause mine's like after lunch, I'm on the Pacific coast and I was just telling Russia, I was like, I tried to like get some food in, but I know that when I have conversations sometimes and when I eat food, then ended up burping the whole time. So if I, Vaughn, if you, you know, just see it as a, see it as an expression of my, uh, comfortability, if I just burp into the microphone. So yeah, it's no problem. So how did you, I'm Joe, by the way.
00:04:10
Speaker
Hi, Von. Hey, how's it going? This is fantastic. So tell me, how did Rush connect with you? I'm assuming in a Verizon store. Correct, yeah. So I was at work and he came in, I was the representative helping him.
00:04:25
Speaker
And then he struck up a conversation about my tattoos and he was like, hey, we're doing this podcast. It's about the people who are the most interesting, which is the person right in front of you. And I was like, that sounds so cool. And then he was like, hey, do would you like to be on it? And he left a post to know what this information on it. And now here we are. That is so great. So hold on. I've got to tell Von this because he needs to understand, Von, this is so exciting.
00:04:55
Speaker
because I didn't tell you this before. You are the first person that you need to talk to.
Engagement and Relationship with Allie
00:05:01
Speaker
That probably doesn't give you a lot of confidence. There's no script. Why would you tell him that? We were going to project that, hey, this is like season nine. But no, you let the cat out of the bag. He's the first guy to actually say yes.
00:05:17
Speaker
I'm one of the types of people that will always try something once, and if I don't like it, cool, but I have the story of saying like, I've done that. Yes. You're the kind of guys we like to hang out with, Vaughn. You're exactly that guy. Okay, so Vaughn, let's go down some of the major stats here. What are some other things like when you're thinking about kind of the context of where you're living right now?
00:05:43
Speaker
What, what does all that look like? Cause I don't, I don't, I don't know any of that. So I'm not only do I, you know, have full-time employment, I'm also a car guy. So I spend a lot of the summer weekends at car shows, going to car meets, stuff like that. Um, I also just recently started streaming on Twitch. So that's taken up a lot of time. And then I left my fiance and our cat. Yeah. Fiance. Yeah.
00:06:10
Speaker
No joke. How long have you guys been fianceing? Just under a month. No joke. Fresh. Yeah, fresh, fresh. That's good. Congratulations. Thank you. Verizon, Vaughn, what's her first name? Her name's Alex, or Allie, whichever one. Allie, Vaughn and Allie Verizon. That's wonderful. That's going to sound really great. So tell me, how long have you known Allie?
00:06:36
Speaker
It's going to sound kind of weird. Um, we've known each other since June of last year. Okay. She was actually my manager at Verizon and then she switched locations and we started, you know, talking and then dating. And now here we are. It was kind of love at first sight kind of situation. Now here we are.
00:06:56
Speaker
Is that a normal thing around Verizon at all? Sometimes there are rules about that. Love abounds in Verizon. That's a great workplace culture if you can not only have a job, you're making money, you can develop these relationships and plan your life. Or is it low key?
00:07:16
Speaker
So there's a lot of rules and regulations in place to, you know, deter favoritism. So, you know, if you're a rep and a rep, that's fine. You just have to tell people that are in the same store. Beyond that, it's obviously you can't be a manager of the person and all that good stuff. Yeah, there's emotions.
00:07:40
Speaker
Yeah, there's there's wisdom in that. Yeah. So so now, OK, so apart from can we talk? Can I ask more questions about Ali? Is this OK? Yeah, absolutely. OK. All right. So, oh, by the way, ground rules, I guess, would be at any time, at any time. So Russia's face is just shaking, just smiling. We didn't talk about the rules, Rush. Did we? No, we don't. That's the thing. We don't have any rule. I mean, we do have rules like that. Like we the rule is we just want this to be.
00:08:10
Speaker
this enjoyable and interesting and get to know you and you feel comfortable and just have a normal conversation. But outside of that, that's what the whole, that's what's cool about this. So I'm just saying, if I ask a question, you're like, okay, you can pass. That's totally cool. So, so what, so give me, give me, what are, what are three things about Ali? What is it, what is it that makes her beautiful to you? She, so
00:08:38
Speaker
going back to like when we, the first day that I met her, right? So she's my manager and you know, I'm sitting there, I'm doing trainings in the back and I've been employed for three days. If that, she walks in and it was just one of those like instant connections, like, and then furthering on, we found out she's more of like the yin to my yang and I'm the yang to her yin. So we're not us, it's in a place where it's like,
00:09:04
Speaker
a detractor or anything like that, but it's more of like, we, I don't like using the term soulmates because it seems like it's destined and nothing is guaranteed. So it was more of like, we're the same person in a lot of aspects, but at the same time, what I lack, she picks up for what she lacks, I pick up more. And it's just kind of one of those like perfect scenarios. Totally understand. Good compliment.
00:09:31
Speaker
You compliment one another. Well, that's a beautiful thing. Yeah, it really is. So you were there three days and the love is in the air pretty quick. And then how long is it from then till, um, you know, then you started dating or you, you went out and, and I would love to hear like where you first went out. So that's a great part of your story. And then how long was it before you were engaged? Um,
00:09:59
Speaker
So I'm doing the math. So it was June, right? And we're in, you know, we're in April. Yeah. So you gotta admit, right? I mean, you're like, you're like, you're like sub 12 months, right? Yeah. Nice. It was November 22, I believe.
00:10:16
Speaker
So what, so where'd you go? Where, where'd you go on first on the first date? Where, where'd you take her? So we went to see a movie, super AT&T store, AT&T store. Sorry. I couldn't, I couldn't, I just forgive me. That was horrible. It was, it was a lot. We're going to, we're going to cut that out. This quality programming is, is beyond that Vaughn. I'm sorry. Okay. So you went and saw a movie. What movie did you see? Um, Oh, that's a hard one. I think it was, you got to tell this at the reception. Oh,
00:10:46
Speaker
I forget what movie it was. That's because you were so, so drawn to her distracted. She was really the, you forgot everything else. It just was about the opportunity now that she's not your direct supervisor. You could have her all to yourself. Uh, so we've, we kind of have this tradition about movies where we,
00:11:10
Speaker
We'll go and watch like the first half of the movie and then one of us will start to get tired or just not like the movie at all and we'll just leave halfway through. We've only ever sat through one movie in the theater and that was the first one.
00:11:22
Speaker
You know what somebody told me once, by the way, Rush, did you know this? That if you go with under like 50% of the movie and you don't like the movie, you can go to like your local, like the ticket person and you could say, hey, I just said unsatisfied with the film and they'll give you a ticket for a free movie. I think I've heard that. I've never done that. See, I'm just saying. You should cash in on this. I'm just telling you, Vaughn. Listen, Vaughn, next time you and Allie are hanging out, you're like, look,
00:11:48
Speaker
John Rush said that if we're totally, if we don't like this thing, we can go and maybe get our money back. And then you could go and try it again. And you're a good guy. You're a good guy for knowing the date. Yeah, that's that is a that even if you can't remember the movie, there's explain, you can always drop back to the I was really focused on you. But the date thing is huge to be able to know that's different than you know, some guys can't remember their anniversary date.
00:12:17
Speaker
but you're getting down all of the dates and that is absolutely in your favor. Okay, I'm gonna put this together here.
Passions: Cars, Technology, and Switzerland
00:12:26
Speaker
So if you're a twitch guy and you're a car guy and you know dates, do you feel like that that does your brain naturally think kind of very specifically like do you the kind of the technical side of things do you and do you naturally go that way or does it
00:12:48
Speaker
Does it just naturally happen in, or do you enjoy kind of how all things work together, how they part together, how are you able to get into the details of things? Is that, would that be a fair observation? Yeah, absolutely. Um, so I've, I've been a car guy since I was obviously before I was able to drive. Um, my dad's been a mechanic for 50 years or something like that going on. Cool. Cool.
00:13:14
Speaker
And we have a lot of family that does races. So like dirt track races, road races, stuff like that. So the whole car thing kind of came with being in this family. And then my enjoyment for technology kind of sparked the learning how things work together kind of situation. And then it just kind of blossomed, I guess.
00:13:40
Speaker
So tell me about your family. What are the stats? Are you an only child? Do you have other families or your family members? So I'm the baby of the baby for my grandparents. So my dad is the youngest of five. And then I'm the youngest of three, but my two brothers are half brothers.
00:14:06
Speaker
So I'm like an only child, but not an only child, if that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. It makes sense to me. Yeah.
00:14:14
Speaker
And then I haven't seen my mom in 20 something years. I'm 26. So I was really young when, when we parted. Um, so it's just been basically me and my dad since then. And, uh, yeah, we're kind of the black sheeps, so we don't really talk to the rest of the family. We're kind of just in our own little cocoon and every once in a while family will come in, but it's pretty much just us.
00:14:40
Speaker
There's a lot of challenges in what you're describing, and anytime there's that feeling of being kind of black sheep. But there is something really beautiful about the way you've described your relationship to your dad, because obviously you've picked up on these interests of his, and I wonder how he's encouraged you
00:15:02
Speaker
Over those years and you shared this interest in cars and obviously that's become an important thing to you and and kind of what is what is encouragement of you been like.
00:15:12
Speaker
So basically any type of motor sport or anything involving a car, he's always backed. So right now we're, I don't want to say building cause it's drivable, but we have a somewhat of a show car that, you know, we build together, uh, everything done to the car was done in his garage. So even painting it, putting the white body on all the body work was all done in his garage. Um, and then.
00:15:41
Speaker
Even before that, when I wanted to get into autocross, we went and found a real cheap clunker that was good for it, built it, drag racing, you know, we've kind of been all over the place. So it involves cars or like motorsport in general, he's always bound. So Von, you are at an incredible sort of crossroads of your life.
00:16:04
Speaker
As an older guy, obviously I'm older than you just by looking at us. And by looking at Rush. Do you see that? That's got to be like at least 16 inches worth of gray beard right there. That's pretty long. I'm kind of envious of his beard. I'm not going to lie. I know everybody is.
00:16:20
Speaker
Everybody is, Vaughn. It's fantastic. All right, go ahead. You're the same. Yeah, the listeners obviously can't see us, but being an older guy, I know that you are at a crossroad here of real life change. You're about to be married.
00:16:38
Speaker
You're coming into a whole new phase of life where there is someone else to care for and to consider. And it sounds like you're doing a great job in developing this relationship and looking forward. I wanted to ask you, what are you looking forward to? What's this next five years look like? What kind of plans are you guys making? What do you think she wants to see happen?
00:17:02
Speaker
You know, you're getting married. Yeah. Yeah. If you had a DeLorean and could go into the future, what would you, what would you want to see that look like? We're already talking about like kind of what kind of house we're looking for, how big, you know, um, so probably in the next five years, if not, you know, owning a house in the process of owning one, um, trying to figure out obviously more cars. I love cars. Um,
00:17:32
Speaker
And then just kind of growing the family is definitely, we've already decided that we don't want, you know, to start a family in an apartment. We want to have the house, have everything ready to go before we consider starting the family. And then, um, and then kind of just building that foundation from there, um, overall the next five years, hopefully making more money and kind of just living life to its full list. Uh, we already have a couple like trips planned, um,
00:18:02
Speaker
over the next five years. I know I'm trying to go to Switzerland and I'm going to force her to go with me. Uh, why? Wait, hold on. What out of all the places in the world, you're very clear on Switzerland. Why? What, what is it? Uh, what is it about Switzerland? It's beautiful. Have you ever, like there's so many good pictures and like, I just want to go see those sites.
00:18:22
Speaker
Vaughn, oh man, we were like meant to be friends. I'm telling you, because it makes like your precision in the way that you think and talk, that Switzerland and Swiss intentionality, I just think you're gonna drink deeply. Vaughn, listen, Vaughn, you're just getting to know Joe. This is his way of inviting himself on the trip.
00:18:48
Speaker
Because if she doesn't go, he's trying to make it sound like he's read books about Switzerland. And he would love to go.
00:18:59
Speaker
I just like, I just, you know, yeah, I'm just around. No, but no, but Rush, like you do know, you know, the history of Switzerland as well as I do that. I think the just the just the way in which it's it is is beautiful because it's very, very intentional, very precise that they create. Think when you talk about that, you love the finer things in life. It's like Swiss, Swiss army knife.
00:19:29
Speaker
Swiss engineering, Swiss, um, rush. I don't know anything about Switzerland, Joe. Are you being serious? No, not really. What do you know about Switzerland? It's Calvin. They actually say that Calvin and the Reformation brought that level of engineering and precision because they saw everything as an act of worship.
00:19:58
Speaker
That's, I mean, that now that's true. Yeah. You're getting into, yeah. Right. Vaughn, you are going to love Switzerland. I'm so excited to see you go to Switzerland because talk about engineering and design and beauty. All of those things are so, so found historically in that culture. And that's why I got to type out too. Cause I think, you know, I'm, I'm so fine. Good night. I
Fascination with Humanity and Individuality
00:20:23
Speaker
am.
00:20:23
Speaker
So fascinated by how you think, what is it about humanity that draws your curiosity? Besides like maybe like a blue whale or a hot air balloon or the Himalayas, what is it about that humans draw your attention, you and Ali's attention? What is it about them? So everyone is different. Like no matter what, you could have twins and one might like
00:20:52
Speaker
peanut butter and toast, and one might just like peanut butter on bread. So it's the small things that make people different that fascinates me. Because you can take a group of 100 people that all have the same job at the same level, and each one of them is going to have different interests outside of work. And then you can take a subsect of the interests that
00:21:15
Speaker
You know, like say you go to a car meet and you take a hundred of the people from there. Each one of those is going to have a different background. Like everyone's path is different no matter how similar they may be. There's always those small differences. And that's why it intrigues me the most is figuring out what makes that singular person different from everyone else is definitely where, where I find interest in people.
00:21:42
Speaker
Vaughn, you're such a great guest, man, because this is exactly the reason that we're doing this is because we enjoy the same thing that you're describing and have the same kind of view. And it's incredible to hear somebody else talk about it. The attention to detail.
00:22:01
Speaker
You're talking about intention to detail of people's lives and honoring and really enjoying the differences to look into them and to know what people like and to be able to share the things that you like. And that's, that's really what we have been trying to do. Uh, what we have, what we are trying to do. This is the first time, but this is what we, this is what we've been trying to, to, to embrace more of and to enjoy more of, you know, it's really awesome. You are a great guest.
00:22:32
Speaker
I was going to say that's kind of the main reason why I was so eager to be on the podcast because how you were describing it to me, I was like, I think that same way. So let's mesh some minds and see what comes out of it.
00:22:49
Speaker
Yes. And that's what I told Joe when I, after we talked, I was like, I think this guy's going to come through because we invite a few other people, you know, along the way. And we continue to do that. Not everybody is, it takes a little bit of bravery. You know, you don't know. I mean, it takes a little bit of bravery for all three of us to sit here and talk to people that, you know, talk to somebody that you don't know. And, and, uh, and all of that. And, um, and so, um, you know, when we met, you mentioned that I, I brought up your tattoos.
00:23:17
Speaker
And yeah, I didn't get to talk to you a lot. I want to hear about your tattoos. Yeah. Tattoos. Full disclosure. Full disclosure.
00:23:29
Speaker
actually Rush has like the map of Geneva on his back in Gothic letters. Okay. So just as a, just as a, and a Swiss army knife tattoo and the face of Calvin, like looking over it, it's pretty, I mean, over the years, the map has kind of shifted a little bit, but the concept's still there. A little bit. So like I said, when we first met, I have three tattoos. Each one of them is super important to me.
00:23:57
Speaker
Um, ooh, yes. We'll start with the first one I ever got, which is this, it's the counter strike logo for counter strike global offensive. Um, and then above it, it's hard to see. I have this thing. It's called a hyper beast. Um, it's kind of hard to tell, but if you look here, bring that, bring, bring, bring that up to the video camera. I gotta get it. I want to see, I haven't really seen now again, we're not, you know, we're not going to publish this. So, you know, we're, we're PG, you know, later.
00:24:27
Speaker
So it's that's a high that's a hyper beast. So it's hard to tell on camera. Yeah, but he's ripping his own arm off here. Oh, golly. So yeah, the reason I specifically chose this image was in to me, it looks like he's overcoming adversity at every step by any means, which is how I like to live my life is if
00:24:55
Speaker
I have a goal and something stops that goal. I will find a way either through it or around it to reach my goals. So that's kind of what that tattoo symbolizes. And that's why I have it on my arm. So that's so awesome. And then, and then from that, from that, you know, animal strength that he was willing to do whatever,
00:25:20
Speaker
to accomplish. And even if that meant eating off his own arm, that he was going to do whatever he needed to do to be who he knew he needed to be. Yeah. And that's, like I said, that's exactly why I got the tattoos. Crazy. Kind of flying in the face of adversity and doing what it is that needs to be done. I wonder what is one big life lesson that you really think guides your life. Oh, yeah. That you would want to pass on.
00:25:47
Speaker
Um, every, I think if I were to sum it up in like a sentence is that everyone is equal, but different. So what I mean by that is like, everybody deserves the same amount of respect, but you also have to understand that respect is different for each person. So.
00:26:09
Speaker
Like, we live in kind of a cultural hub in central Ohio. So, you know, work in retail. I see so many different people and, you know, they all have different backgrounds. They all have different beliefs and stuff like that. So I have to be courteous and knowledgeable about what I can say to one person that I can't say to another.
00:26:30
Speaker
So my biggest life lesson would be that you have to enter every situation with the same amount of respect as you would if you were entering it with me or entering it with your dad or something like that. That way you understand the diversity of the world, but it's also the equality of the world.
00:26:52
Speaker
That's a fascinating thing for you to say. It's so hard for us to do that. There's so many reasons that the world would give us not to do that. And also recognizing, recognizing just naturally that, that humanity, that humanity that
00:27:09
Speaker
that it does have dignity to it, right? No matter who you are, no matter what sort of expression that is, that there's an otherness to humanity, that there's a dignity to it. And it requires a level of honor and care and love
00:27:30
Speaker
to be able to nurture that. And I really just see that as a real undercurrent of your thinking, so that therefore the curiosity of how do humans live in this world? And how is that valuable? And how can you find that value and then transfer that to people that you love so that they can flourish in humanity? I think that that effort
00:27:58
Speaker
And that, uh, that pursuit, I think is, has been given inside every human being that they recognize that. And, and to be able to have a curiosity, explore that, I think is a, it's a noble, it's a noble thing. Yeah. I'm definitely trying to at least respect everybody and understand where everyone's coming from. So it's definitely trying is the first step at least.
00:28:26
Speaker
That makes sense. Von, with our last couple of minutes, I want, you know, we've asked a lot of questions. We've asked you all the questions. Do you have questions that come to mind for us? So I understand you guys basically live on the opposite sides of
Podcast Origins and Shared Philosophy
00:28:38
Speaker
the country. How did you guys like me? And then what started the idea of going to a podcast versus just hanging out and talking to someone at a restaurant? Um, well, Rush was my supervisor. No, I'm
00:28:54
Speaker
He was my supervisor and I was looking at him and I was like, Hey, do you want to be friends? But we couldn't talk about it. But then when he moved to Ohio, I do, I do at that point, I was like, you know, since you moved to Ohio, really, really, I mean, no, this, this is actually really great rush. I want to hear you answer this question. I mean, this question. Yeah. I could, I could tell you when we, when we became friends, I know when we became friends.
00:29:22
Speaker
I can tell you. Go ahead. You brought, no, no, no, no. I want to hear you say, how do you use it? And then I wonder if it's the same one. This is fun. Go. You go. You just, you ask, you answer Von's question. How did we meet? How did we meet? So why, and why did, and why are we doing this? Yeah. I think that's exactly what he said.
00:29:43
Speaker
Okay. That's the question. So really we met by attending some conferences together. And so we just started kind of hanging out. This is so great. Probably. He may say something different, but I think... This is so much fun. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, go. One of those times that we were together was in Asheville, North Carolina. And we had some time to just talk. And so we just started talking about
00:30:11
Speaker
life and family and marriage. And what really connected me with Joe was the transparency of being willing to say, yeah, that's I'm not doing a great job of that. And I and I'm I'm trying to grow in this area of my marriage. And by the way, by the way, that was, you know, if we were playing if we were playing a game, that's what I would have said, dude. That was good. That was a moment. We're in the Asheville Airport. And it was like it was like a long time.
00:30:41
Speaker
And then, uh, yeah, we're just hanging out. And then we ended up doing this one. Like, I'm like, so, so, and it just, I, I really, really appreciate, I really appreciate how Rush thinks.
00:30:55
Speaker
how he thinks, what he cares about are the things that I care about, and to listen on how he's applying those same core principles to the areas of his life and to be able to join an invitation to join in his thinking with him on that. I'm like, it was, it was pretty fun. So, so then, so then,
00:31:19
Speaker
So that we'd hang out and do different things or whatever and would enjoy hanging out. And then one day, this is when you pick up the story again. So one day you were like, hey, I got this idea, Joe. Well, one thing, you know, Joe's being very nice complimenting me like that. Joe really loves people.
00:31:39
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And not everybody really loves people. And that's one of the things that all of Joe's friends love about him. But the reason I'm saying that is not just to say that about him, but because it really has to do with what this is about. There's a common interest in this context, this conversation of just interest in people. You said it earlier, Vaughn, I think.
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like people watching, wanting to understand people. You recognize the details in people's lives, the differences, and you value them. And we both do that together. And so that sort of sparked this idea to say, you know what we should do? We should have a podcast where we invite total strangers. I don't know if anybody would do it. I do know this. Von did it. Von did it. Von did it.
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You made it. Vaughn, you have made us so happy. I'm telling you, I can't even believe it. But the thought was, the thought was this, is that you're right. Like, why not, why not just, you know, do this at, you know, at a park or those, which Russia and I do, right? I mean, we, for sure. I think we are committed to
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Yeah, just living life and connecting with people because there's a deep desire and doing that as if we did live in the same park and did that. It's actually an excuse for us to hang out and to be a part of the terrifying, wonderful, interesting,
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opportunity to learn how to enjoy and to have conversations with people that we've never met. And so, ta-da. You made it possible. You made it possible. Now again, this could be a season of only one episode, but even if it is, I'm like chocking it up. It's a season well invested. Totally worth it. This is what makes life good.
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Oh, so good. All right. You're really awesome. I will come see you again. Love to hang out anytime time for real. You want to go see half a movie? Let's go see half a movie together. We'll meet someone. Thanks. Thanks for giving us. Thanks for giving us a shot. And I really, I really have enjoyed hearing from you. It's been fun to meet you. Nice to meet you, Yvonne. Nice to meet you. Great to meet you guys as well.
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And Joe will see you in Geneva. That's right. Send you the details. Nice. Okay. So, all right. So it was really, it was really interesting. Like I, there were so many, there were so many,
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clear pathways to think and talk about why humanity, why it has dignity and value, why there's brokenness and why people argue in that. And the way people compliment each other. Oh my goodness. Down to a kind of like radical amputation to maintain what is most important.
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It's like I want, it was so interesting. I mean, I know this is our first time and maybe we'll get better at it, but it, you know, we were just committed to saying we really wanted it to be about how this person thinks, right? And so I had just held back so many times in my thinking going, whoa, do you, like there is a place
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that has been designed by a God and a creator. It gives an identity and meaning. And meaning and a framework and truth found in God's Word. I leaned more on
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affirming natural theology in some ways. Oh, for sure. I was finding myself going, no, yes, yes. What you're thinking is not a made up construct. That you recognize the value and the dignity of humanity because there is a God who has revealed himself
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in a way that's undeniable. Yeah. And that's a lot of what we talked about was just the rich reality of life right in front of us. And he was really highlighting that so well with his story and everything that mattered to him.
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And if those are the kinds of people that are actually going to take us up on this thing, man, we are on for a crazy ride. Thanks for inviting me to do it, Rush. I appreciate it. I'm glad that worked out. Thanks for doing it, man. Animals are glad that we both got our friendship moment at the same time. Great. Yeah, that was good. All right. So I think that's it, huh? That's it. Here we go. That's right.
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