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Repo Man Sam - Instagram | Addiction Recovery | Snatching Cars
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Rush and Joe talk to Repo Man Sam, a "recovery agent" in the Carolinas. They discuss return from addiction, the repo world, and staying strong in hardship.
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Transcript
The Chaotic Entry and Introduction
00:00:00
Speaker
I'm coming in hot. You're so out of breath. You're undugging your shirt. You're undugging your shirt. You're so... Well, it's funny. I bumped him to 4.45.
00:00:31
Speaker
Are you serious? Are you serious? Yeah, you got plenty of time. Why did you sweat off? You're ready. You're ready. No, seriously. If he would have popped out, I'd be like, let's go. You, right now, you are the most interesting person in the world while I'm like pit sweating in my church clothes.
Meet Sam: Life as a Repo Man
00:01:10
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So we'll see if he messages back. But let me tell you about this guy. So you could imagine you're living your life.
00:01:22
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Things are going, um, pretty well, I guess. But then you go to sleep one night, you're in your bed, you're oblivious to the outside world. And he backs his tow truck up to your car and he snapped the driveway and it's gone. And the guy that we're talking to today is a repo man, Sam. No kidding.
00:01:45
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So did you meet this guy when he was repo-ing your car? No. No, he hasn't repo-ed my car yet, but he lives. He's repo-ing somebody else's car. He's like, excuse me, my buddy and I have this podcast. I'd love to talk with you. Excuse me, sir. The other person is just crying. Don't take my car.
00:02:02
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What's going on? This is so cool. I can't believe this actually happened. I know. Man, I went through, I had to jump through some now. I couldn't remember my pin or having used this computer in so long. Like I always use my one in my truck. So I just, man, I had to go through Google and
00:02:21
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Do a whole bunch of stuff to reset my pin and all. But you're here. I'm here. Okay. So, so I'm Joe, by the way. Hi. You're, you're Sam, right? Sam, I can see that.
A Repo Man's Journey: Challenges and Survival
00:02:37
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Sam, Rush was telling me a little bit that one of the ways in which he had interacted with you, and I didn't know about all this, but that you have this Instagram account, I guess? I do. I do. It's amazing. So tell me a little bit, because he was just telling me, so tell me a little bit about this Instagram thing that you're doing and how it relates to you being a repo man.
00:03:01
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I mean, it's really just, I really just record what I do for a living. Uh, just re I repo cars. Um, I work probably 50 to 60 hours a week repo on cars. Wow. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What? Yeah. No kidding. Yeah. I work. I work. I get my kids every Saturday about one o'clock. And if they have, if they have like my daughter plays basketball, so she has a game, obviously go earlier to her games and stuff, but
00:03:27
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Yeah, during the week, I'm pretty much a loner, man. I'm pretty much at the house or working. Tell us about what it's like when I watch you. I'm nervous. I'm nervous for you. You seem a little bit nervous. You seem a little amped up.
00:03:43
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And I can imagine, you know, like 11 years of experience. What has that been like?
From Addiction to Redemption: Sam's Personal Story
00:03:49
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You had amazing experience. It's an adrenaline rush every time because you just never know what you're about to run into. I've been shot at a few times. What? Hold on a second. Stop. You've been shot at?
00:04:05
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There's one video on there that it's on there. It's just like one of my first videos that I put on there that actually got me going on. There's a guy, you know, I was kind of laughing because he was chasing me. He came out of his house or is he out? This is another vehicle and like pull it up to my vehicle. Like I was reaping this car, kind of like what you just said. It was an apartment complex.
00:04:26
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I pulled it out, dropped it and I was going around to the front of it. He pulled up in another like old beater car and he just got out nonchalantly and I didn't even see it. But when he got out in his waistband, he had a gun. I didn't even see it. Oh man. So I like grab it, pick, grab the car. I'll start rolling away and he starts running down the road. And then I saw him pull the gun up and point it. And when he pulled it up and pointed it, I was like,
00:04:46
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You can just see my face go, oh my goodness. And then you just hear, pow, he popped. And I don't think he was shooting at me, but it was enough to put me into shock. Put it to you that way. I was in shock. Like my life was flashed before my eyes. I was crying after it was all said.
00:05:04
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Um, you know, thinking about my kids and thinking about, you know, here I am, you know, out here just trying to make a buck and my life could have ended that quickly. How does one, how does one, was that something that your career counselor in high school said, you know, you'd be really great repo guy, maybe work at a grocery store, maybe be a military Navy SEAL.
00:05:26
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you know, or a physician, like how does one become, and is it called a repo guy? Well, let me ask you that in there, Sam, how old are you? I'm 35, I'll be 36 in November. So you've been doing this for like 10 or 11 years? Yes, this is my 11th year doing it. So yeah, so how did you get into that?
00:05:44
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Oh, well, uh, I was in a, I was in an AA meeting and a guy came in and he was struggling really, really bad. Uh, just trying to get clean. And for whatever reason, I took a liking to him and I went over to him after the meeting was over and got to talking, talking, talking. And they had this position open where you just drive a car around and they call him a camera car and it just scans plates.
00:06:12
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It's scanning every license plate it goes by, and if the car's up for repossession, it'll let this computer inside the car know, this car's up for repot. And it'll give you a number to call the lean holder on the spot. So we'd call the lean holder and get the order repossessed emailed to me for that particular car. And he was like, man, we really could use you if you'd like to try it. And I just, prior to that, I had gotten in a lot of trouble as a kid.
00:06:39
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didn't really have any, I was in college and in college, I got in trouble for selling drugs as a kid and didn't have anything worthwhile that I could make money in the near future or in my site. And I was like, you know what? I'll give it a try. He told me how much money they made. That was quadruple what I was making at the time. So I got into it. I started helping him. He started helping me kind of that way.
00:07:02
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Um, and about six months into it, um, they had an opening for the truck and he recommended me to get a, get into the truck. And I was the youngest one in the company to get into a truck. They put me into a truck and gave me an opportunity. And the rest is history. Now you had, now you had mentioned, you had mentioned the meeting. How, how was that, how was that meeting community? Cause I assume when most people talk about the meeting, they're talking about AA. Is that what you're talking about?
00:07:31
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I am a now. And so talk to me a little bit about that. How, how was it helpful to you? And tell me a little bit about this community. Well, for me, as a kid, I really think it started off like I just never felt a part of my parents got divorced super early on in life. And it was a terrible divorce, like terrible, terrible divorce.
00:07:57
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And so when I first found alcohol and drugs in general, I got some relief because I just never felt a part of anything. So I got some kind of relief. I could dance better. I could talk to girls
The Role of Family and Community Support in Recovery
00:08:11
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better. I could do everything better. Wait, you can dance better?
00:08:15
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Yes, absolutely. In my own mind it is. What's your, what's your baseline? What's your baseline dance skill level? Are you, are you an, are you a B and this is, you're going to A or? No, no, Sam totally answered it. It was the best. He said, I dance better in my own mind. That's it. In my own mind everything together. And your sexuality it's not.
00:08:42
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Oh, man. That kind of, I appreciate that. Because you said that, I go, wow, is that really good? I think you're saying like, but yeah, but you were just saying that using gave a sense that
00:08:57
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who you were or the things that you were wrestling with and who you were and the hurt of that, that it gave you a different place to be. Am I hearing that right? Absolutely. It's just an ease of comfort, man. I just didn't really feel like I just didn't fill in or fit in with anywhere. I played on numerous basketball teams. I had numerous girlfriends along the way, but I never felt like I had any kind of
00:09:24
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love for myself for one at all, period. And it didn't matter what anybody told me. You could tell me, I mean, if I go score 30, 40 points in basketball, it didn't matter. I still didn't, I still always focused on the negative, always looking at the negative parts of life and myself, especially, and just never felt good enough for anybody, really.
00:09:43
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And when I picked up that drink or drug, it just changed everything. And that was at the beginning, at the end of it. And I say the end because it's a lifelong battle, man. I haven't been, I just recently got back into AA and got sober February the 7th of this year. I had like three years sober and COVID hit. And when COVID hit,
00:10:07
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That gave my mind an opportunity to go hide and run from everything. And I did. I ran and hid for, like I say, almost three years, three and a half years. And it got gradually worse. It always does for me. It's never just like jump off the cliff bad. Sam, can I ask you, when you talk about worse and at the end of it, what did that feel like for you?
00:10:36
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Um, for me it's, it's isolation. It's complete and total isolation from everyone. Um, not letting anybody know where I'm at, uh, mentally, physically, or spiritually. Um, it's, it's doing anything to serve myself all day long. I'm running the show completely. There's no God consciousness. There's no, there's no, um, there's not letting everybody's at arm's length and a lot of people are further away from that.
00:11:03
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Um, it's a show all day long. It's a show really. I'm just putting on so I can get alone. And when everybody leaves me alone, I go back to that. Um, Monday through Friday was much like that. I would work. And, um, in the middle of that and the middle of working, uh, I would definitely, I would mostly was smoking pot all the time. Like all the time. Like that's the easiest one to hide. So I just smoked pot all the time, throw clear eyes in and keep it moving.
00:11:32
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And then it just got worse, you know, drinking, drinking turns me into, uh, definitely a loner. Definitely. I can't just like go out and drink around people and do that. It's just not me. Um, it's, it's total hell. It's prison out. It's prison, but you're not locked up in prison of the mind, prison of the spirit, um, physically in prison. Cause I don't want to leave my house. I want to be around anybody. Um,
00:11:57
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And so when I'm not doing that, you know, I got left with, uh, when I, at the end of it, what it, what it became was just complete and total isolation Monday through Friday, complete and total isolation Friday night, come home, wake up Saturday, try to, you know, Withdrawal and go through as best I can before I get my children.
00:12:15
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get my children and put this smile on and make sure everything's okay and they don't know anything. And Saturday, Sunday, I'm with them and it usually was a lot of just resting and chilling. And then when they go home, man, I literally would drop my daughter off last usually.
00:12:36
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And when I dropped her off, like I would watch her walk into the house and I would just start crying. Like every single week I would just be crying. Cause I knew I was about to come. I knew that torture over, you know, what three years of doing that got me to the point where it was either I was going to get sober or I was going to off myself. You know, that's just kind of where I got to. And, um,
00:13:01
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I chose the opposite. I chose to pick up the phone and call my sponsor from AA and just, you know, emotionally broken and, you know, just let them know where I was at. And the wild thing about it is this, this community of AA people, um, they were the first people that I found that actually didn't matter who I was or what I was. They loved me no matter what. And they cared about me and they didn't care what I believed in. They didn't care what I didn't believe in and care what I had done.
00:13:29
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They just showed an outpouring of love, no matter what, and willingness to help me even when I wasn't willing to help myself. Throughout these three years, my sponsor would come by my house and leave notes on my truck and leave notes on my car and be like, man, please call me. I love you. I'm willing to help you. I know what's going on. If you're not contacting me, I know what's going on usually, sir.
00:13:52
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That's what I did when I dropped her off that one that last Saturday or Sunday, I called him and was just like broken crying. It's like, man, I don't want to do this anymore. I need some help.
00:14:03
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And he immediately came over and picked me up, took me out to eat, and went to a meeting. And I've been sober ever since. Well, praise God for that, man. You're talking about some really heavy details of your experience. And I think that is really helpful for anyone to hear, because there are people that don't understand. And there's a certain stigma that comes along with that.
00:14:26
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When you hear somebody who's been through that, really express and heartfelt. And not just heartfelt, but with understanding. You're talking in clear, experiential terms that is easy for us as we're sitting here hearing your story to understand. It really is striking. It made me wonder too, you're really talking about moving from
00:14:51
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a place of isolation and darkness into a place that's brighter. There's community and support. So in your best moments, on your best days and weeks now, what do you think is the big difference in community? Obviously, you have your sponsor, there's a support group. Who else is in your life that really is making this difference and kind of helping to hold you together and keep you focused in the right direction? What's that like?
00:15:20
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My mom and my stepdad, they've never given up. Our family has just been, I wouldn't say genetic. I don't believe it's genetic, but throughout our lives, we lost my uncle to alcoholism. Her mother was a big alcoholic. It's in the family. My mom's always known there was something going on, just didn't know what to do really.
00:15:44
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Nobody did really. And so my mom is a big proponent of love and happiness and help. My stepdad as well.
00:15:56
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All my friends, even my friends that I ran around with, you know, a lot of people say, Oh, it's a crowd you run around with. And I could say that when I was early on, but all of my friends now, they know there's a problem. They just never gave up. They love me. They accepted me anyways. And they're always happy when I'm in recovery. They're always happy. Because they know there's a check on Mr. Hyde for sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's, you know, it's interesting you talk about, you know, one of these, one of these themes that you're,
00:16:24
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talking about is love and in particular unconditional love. There's a power in being the recipient of unconditional love because it comes with belonging.
00:16:41
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that I don't have to be somebody, I don't have to do something, that essentially that who I am, that someone would actually love and to be able to give that unconditionally and invite belonging and relationship. I think in some ways that I'm actually able
00:17:05
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able to be known by somebody else. Like what Russia was talking about, the ability to speak clearly and to speak truth, no matter what it is.
00:17:16
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My ability to do that, to speak truth and to be known is because I know unconditional love. I don't think anybody, I don't think anybody would be willing to say, right? Like the reality of who I am, if I didn't know that there was someone or a place that I would still belong, even though somebody knew me. And that's what I'm seeing, Sam. Like when you're talking about that,
00:17:45
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the brightness of what your experience is, you go, wait a minute, I can be known and I don't have to go into isolation because I have a confidence.
00:17:57
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that I'm unconditionally loved by the community of which is moving towards me. I mean, am I in the ballpark? Am I hearing that right? That's 100%. That's powerful. I mean, that's powerful. So tell me about your kids because obviously, right? I mean, again, what do I know? But I, but I get a sense that if you've experienced that kind of unconditional love, your, your commitment as a dad,
00:18:24
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would be to express that, right? It sounds like you got two great daughters, right? You said that before.
Overcoming Personal and Global Challenges
00:18:29
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I've got a daughter that's 11 and I've got a son that's almost three. Okay. Whenever I went into the whole relapse process, his mom was pregnant with him and COVID had just hit. And so we're just sleeping one night normally as we normally would. And she woke up and she was bleeding.
00:18:53
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And we didn't know it was like a lot of blood. So she went to the bathroom, was bleeding in the last, we were thinking, oh, here comes a miscarriage. That's what we were thinking. And so we went to, we took her to the hospital.
00:19:06
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And her water had broken already. And she was, she was still like, she was only four and a half months into pregnancy. Wow. So we ended up staying in the hospital in Rock Hill, which I was begging them to get me out of there as soon as possible. Cause I just had terrible experiences there and wanted to get to Charlotte. And so we stayed there for a day and a half, got to Charlotte. Her water had been broken for three days and she still kept them.
00:19:32
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And then they went ahead and did a C-section. So he was born, he was as big as my hand, like a pound. He was whatever pound. And so we had a preemie in the midst of COVID, so no one else could come and see him. It was either me or her, it's his. Hold on. Hold on. You had a preemie in the midst of COVID?
00:19:52
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Yes. Wow. So we're in the NICU, the neonatal intensive care unit for like four months, almost five months after he was born. And through that struggle in there, it was like one day we would go in and everything would be good. The next day we go in and just touching him broke three ribs. We didn't, we couldn't even touch him. He was an incubator. Then after he broke the three ribs, he had, um,
00:20:18
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He got pneumonia, trying to heal. So I mean, we'd go in there one day and they'd be like, all right, he's doing good the next day, but he's not making it through the day. And then it was like off and on the whole time. And in the middle of all that, I'm like, I'm coming unglued. Like, I'm coming. Yeah, I was going to ask you, what was keeping you guys together during that time? Just personally, together, it's enormous, enormous weight, enormous uncertainty.
00:20:45
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It was bad, man. It was really, really bad. It was hard. Obviously, she was in shambles, but I wasn't capable. I had already relapsed prior to him coming along, so it was very tough on me mentally. Mentally, spiritually, I was just gone. I would leave out of there and just question what was going on. Why am I even here? Why am I going through this all the time? Just driving around Charlotte, trying to get a break from it all, and then come back up there and
00:21:15
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try to be somewhat together. And I wasn't. I mean, I just, I wasn't, man. I was, I was on the edge for sure. And in the midst of all, you know, back and forth and we, we, she couldn't stand it. She couldn't be with me. I couldn't
A Vision for Helping Others: Sam's Future Aspirations
00:21:30
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be with her. She's in the military. So she was going back and forth.
00:21:34
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In those weeks as she was gone, I would have to go up there and I say I would have to go up there, but that literally is what my mind was saying because I was not in any shape to go into a hospital and be around doctors and nurses and all that. But I pushed through it and we had the masks on so I could like somewhat hide who I was or what was going on. But it was extremely tough, man. It was extremely tough. You can imagine life, I don't know, 10 years from now.
00:22:04
Speaker
What would you, what would you hope for? I mean, you've, you've come from a really hard season. I mean, again, man, thank you, by the way, Sam. I mean, just, I mean, just the, the courage and the beauty of the honesty of talking about your story and even, and even allowing Rush and I, but when we look at those three years and even just recently,
00:22:32
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jumping back in and choosing sobriety and talking with your kids just for whatever it's worth, just things. And how would you, as you imagine sometimes about what life could look like five, 10 years down the road, do you think about that as to what that could look like for you? Yeah, I do. I think if it was, if you could ask me what would I want out of it, it would be
00:22:59
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to be in some way, shape, or form able to have some type of business to where I could help people that don't have any money. Get off of drugs and alcohol. Not like the normal rehab facilities where you're a bill insurance, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Because most people that are doing drugs and alcohol or to the extent that I was, they don't have any of that help. There's no way to get that help. So what do you mean? What do you mean?
00:23:26
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The financial help. A lot of people feel like, oh, I need to go to rehab, yada, yada, yada. And I had been through a lot of those things when I was younger, so I kind of got the experience of how to detox myself, how to go through those things already. And there's a lot of people that are older than me or even around my age that are now falling into the addictions and a lot of the prescription pills, man. These prescriptions are getting a lot of people these days.
00:23:55
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how, you know, just a way, the waiting for people to come do just like what we're doing right here, be able to sit down and talk about him, be like, how, what's, what's a plan? What's a plan to get me out of this when I'm in right now? And I think they're like the first couple of weeks of or month.
00:24:10
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is the hardest part. That's where people relapse the most is because when you're detoxing and you're going, you don't know what your brain and your body's actually doing. You don't know what's going on. And in that process, that's the darkest time. That is the darkest time for all of us that come through that situation. And if there was any way to even keep people for 10 days and let them get through that first 10 days without having to pay a dime,
00:24:35
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just people there pouring on love, pouring on the facts of what's going on with your body and be able to help you through those 10 days. Man, I think that's a huge, huge thing we're missing in this world. Well, Sam, I really hope that you're able to do that because, I mean, obviously, every time we do an episode like this, you know, Joe and I, we don't know you. We're just getting to know you. But even the time that we've spent,
00:25:09
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It's like we've just spent some moments together, but I just My heart is so endeared to yours because of your because of your honesty. Yeah, it's remarkable how Perfect strangers can actually have a genuine moment
00:25:27
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And anyways, it's interesting, Russ, when you're saying that, it just dawned at me. I'm like, wait a minute, I feel like I've got to be like I've known Sam for a long time, even though we've got a few moments together. But you were saying, Russ. Yeah, I was just saying, for those reasons that Joe's mentioning, I hope that you're able to do that because it's just obvious from the way that you talk, you are the kind of person
00:25:49
Speaker
that people who are struggling, in particular the way you struggle, they need someone like you who has a grip on the struggle itself, has a grip on what it's like to come in and out of it and move forward, who is able to talk compassionately about it, who is able to see the kind of space that people need in order to make that forward progress.
00:26:14
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I wonder if maybe even your current work may end up flourishing into that some because some of that, I've learned this a little bit from a local business here that actually is a fried chicken place, but the whole business model is about transitional employment.
00:26:33
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And it's about helping people who are coming out of really tough histories and problems. And the key to all of that, to their model of business has been we've got to give people some space. We've got to give them a chance to move forward. They're going to stumble. Joe was talking earlier about unconditional love. We're going to show you some love and give you some room.
00:27:00
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and give you a way to get momentum. I mean, that's what I think is so hard. I mean, your experience in particular with addiction is really a human experience of escape. I've been thinking about that a lot lately. And when you're in that mode, it's hard to get any momentum. One setback stops your momentum.
00:27:25
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And you have to kind of, like you have, you've gotten into a lane where you've gotten rolling quite literally, you know, with your business. I'm just going to time out on that. That was so cheesy. It's not cheesy. Oh, it's totally cheesy. It's cheesy. No, you're going in for the warm hug. I totally saw it.
00:27:50
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Like, you were moving in towards Sam, and you were getting the warm hug, and then you would have been rolling. I mean, you know, no pun intended. I'm trying to be serious. I'm trying to be serious here. No, Russ, you were totally moving in for the big hug, and it was awesome. It's a miracle. It's a miracle that this thing ever works. Talk about momentum. I'm trying to build momentum.
00:28:17
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Go back to the hug. Go back to the hug. Go back to the hug. Because I'm with you. I'm telling you. Were you saying that, yeah, that life's getting on? I just think, Sam, we're being genuine. You are the kind of person that can really make a difference. And I think that's an awesome thing. I really hope that that will be in the future as you've laid it out in your plan. And I'm going to make you a promise, Sam.
00:28:46
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I come through Rock Hill every now and then. And the next time I come through Rock Hill, I'm going to get in touch with you and I want to meet your kids. And then we, the three, the four of us are going to go, we're going to go eat pizza. Yes. And then, and then, and then you and I are going to go repo some cars. I would love that. That's so great.
00:29:16
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It's worth it. Is it worth it? Joe, it's got to be worth a flight. Is it worth a flight? That's expensive. It's expensive, man. It's not worth a flight. It's not worth a flight. Who knows?
The Power of Storytelling and Shared Experiences
00:29:28
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Just the thought of Rush in the truck with you, that's enough for me. I'll take that. I'm ready. I am ready. Well, listen, until the next time, man, thanks for hanging out today. It was good to be with you.
00:29:45
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Thank you guys. God bless you both, man. Dude, that was a good one. Something else. Yeah. I just, you know what? It just goes to show that somebody who is, who's on the backside of brokenness has a freedom to live honestly and in love. Yeah. I'm just like,
00:30:13
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And then this deep desire to care so that others might be able to experience what they've experienced. And I just like, I was, I was, gosh, I just was overwhelmed by his clarity and his humility. And the joy, the peculiar joy, you know? And it's still rough, right? It's still rough. It's all like he's saying, yeah, it's not like he's saying, hey, whatever. He's like, hey.
00:30:41
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This is reality, but there's a joy there because there's purpose.
00:30:47
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And he highlights his experience and even the way that he just we talked together today really highlights the the value of that humility. You said it a second ago, you know, you're coming through that. He comes out with this. Just the humility puts you in such a position to be just open to people willing to share your story, willing to understand and get and extend grace to people. I mean, what an amazing thing that he's
00:31:18
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He just wants to, you know, people can say a lot of things when you ask them, what's, what are the next five years of your life look like? And to say, I want to have a business that I can just help people move forward. That was a, that was a really, that was a really cool moment. Yeah. I tell you what it, um, and it also, we talked about this a little bit, but I just, I was so, uh, amazed by,
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three guys. Because we never know this guy. Right. Not at all. How human beings have the capacity when you show genuine interest to be able to connect. And what I loved about this in particular and everything that we're doing here is, yeah, we're making a podcast. But
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It really is. These conversations are beyond like making a podcast, like to do something cool. I mean, it is cool, but it's really like the cool part is just, whoa. You just shared your life. Dude, no joke. And it's just an excuse. It's just an excuse to do what we're doing. Yeah, it was cool. I'm hanging out with you, man. That was fun. Thanks. I do too.
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Episode 4 of the Most Interesting Person in the World releases next Friday, so subscribe now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts.